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A Brief Overview of COVID 19: Featuring Dr. Zev Zelenko | Rudy Giuliani | December 2nd 2021 | Ep 192
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Hello again, this is Rudy Giuliani with Rudy's Common Sense.
The episode today is very timely.
The episode today is a discussion and an interview also with Dr. Zev Zelenko, conducted by Dr. Maria Ryan.
And both Dr. Zelenko and Dr. Ryan have spent an enormous amount of time involved in dealing with CCP virus, COVID-19 to you.
And because of that, I thought that they would be the best to discuss, from the point of view of what we know now, everything that we can possibly figure out about this new Omicron variant.
Because we do not want to not learn from the mistakes of the past.
I mean, that's the worst kind of stupidity is not making a mistake.
It's making a mistake and then not learning from it.
And we have lives at stake here and we lost too many last time because we made too many mistakes.
So, I think you all know the situation.
This variant started, we believe, in South Africa.
It has spread, and I will put a map up right now that'll show you largely where it has been discovered.
But the questions are, How contagious is it?
How serious is it?
Is it less or more serious than this CCP virus?
Because these things can mutate in either direction.
More, less serious.
And then, how should we treat it?
As well as, is it susceptible to the vaccine?
They understand it a lot better than I do.
So I'm going to turn it over to Dr. Ryan, and then at the end, Dr. Ryan and I will have a discussion of it based on the input from the man who's probably saved more people from COVID than anyone in the world.
And I personally know of several experiences, including very recently, I'm doing great, thank God, and thank you so much for having me.
had other illnesses that were exceedingly dangerous, whose lives he saved.
The record is remarkable and the man is, I think should get a Nobel Prize.
And he's a very close friend of mine also.
I'm doing great, thank God.
Thank you so much for having me.
It's a pleasure seeing both of you again.
Well, you're so knowledgeable.
When the novel virus first came around in the fall of 2019, we didn't know a lot about it.
We knew it was a respiratory illness.
But quickly, in early 2020, you started seeing a lot of patients coming in and you were treating them.
How did you treat them?
Well, I was in the epicenter in the largest outpatient COVID-19 outbreak in the first week of March
last year in America.
We had thousands of patients with no treatment available except sending
people home with Tylenol and fluids. When they got short of breath, they ended up in the
hospital on a respirator. And in New York, around 80% of the people were dying
that were on respirators. That was the treatment model. I didn't think that was
very good and I felt motivated to find a solution that would help my patients
mitigate the risk of this disease so that they wouldn't end up in the hospital.
And so I did a few things.
Some are mostly based on common sense.
I called the local ICU hospitals and I asked them which patients they're seeing that are dying.
They told me that it was the elderly and patients that have mental problems.
I said, what about the younger, healthy patients?
They said, we don't see them.
So right away, I figured out that this virus doesn't kill equally.
So I came to my office and I sent home two thirds of the patients that were in the lower risk category, and I deployed my limited resources to the high risk population.
That's number one.
Number two, I decided to treat these patients.
If I clinically suspected that they had COVID, I wouldn't wait a week So I decided to use my clinical judgment.
I would do the testing, but I would not delay treatment if I thought the patients had COVID.
And then I just looked around what other countries have been doing.
South Korea, they were using hydroxychloroquine and zinc with some minor success in hospitalized patients.
And then Dr. Ndudi enrolled in Marseille, France.
was using hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in the lab and in hospitalized patients with some
stress. But I'm an outpatient doctor. My job is to keep people out of the hospital. So what I did
was I took their approaches, I combined them, modified the dosing and started treating my
patients with azithromycin, hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
And you had a lot of success!
From the moment I did that, within 6 to 12 hours, my patients were improving, their breathing was improving.
Now initially I didn't believe it, but then after 50 patients or so, and I saw the same recurrent pattern, I realized I had stumbled across something significant.
And I decided to get the attention of the most powerful man on the planet, in order that he should be aware of a potential treatment approach.
I made a YouTube video addressed to the President of the United States, and the next day, his Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows, called me on my cell phone, and he asked me why I needed to speak to the President, and I told him what I was seeing.
They were very interested.
I had their contact information, and every few days I would update them.
And Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the FDA, ended up calling me.
He got me in contact with the head of people at the NIH, which that was a dead end.
They had no interest or even concept of how to process real-world data.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
It's really unfortunate that doctors like you who actually see and treat patients were censored.
And hydroxychloroquine, we've known it for a while, has great antiviral properties.
It's cheap.
We have warehouses full of it.
But it was like cast aside in the beginning.
It was so politicized.
But you forged ahead and you got to do some research for it.
Where can the average person find your research?
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Well, first of all, it's interesting.
It wasn't really research.
I was practicing clinical medicine trying to keep my patient above ground.
And, but in doing so, I generated very important information
that had clinical significance.
And so, together with some colleagues in Germany,
world-class researchers, who took my data and were able to publish it
in an internationally respected peer-reviewed journal.
And it was the first data set that dealt with outpatient treatment successfully.
And we showed an 84% reduction in hospitalization and death.
That's crazy, that's crazy great.
In other words, out of 700,000 dead Americans, We could have kept 600,000 out of the hospital.
And so that data is available, you can go to my website, the papers listed there.
But there's subsequently dozens of other papers that have come out corroborating the observation that if you treat people early, within the first few days of the onset of symptoms, they all get better.
In other words, COVID is two diseases.
It's the viral phase, where people have a viral infection, No one died from that.
It's a week or so later when the immune reaction happens, when the immune response to the virus occurs.
Yeah, the inflammatory reaction.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's when the lungs die and that's when you have blood clots.
So the key, you know, the best illness is the one that never happens.
The key is if we could get rid of the virus within the first few days, then the complications never happen.
Hmm.
You know, through time, like all viruses, they do mutate, so that was nothing new.
Approximately, how many times has this virus mutated?
Or has a number of variants?
Well, it's mutated millions of times, but not all mutations have clinical significance.
Most actually don't.
The ones that do seem to have significance are the ones that change the three-dimensional shape of the spike protein.
Because the way the immune system works, the way existing antibodies work, is if they recognize something in three-dimensional space that shouldn't be there, it'll attack it.
However, if there's been a significant enough change in its shape, your existing antibodies may not recognize the target and allow for it to spread.
Now, according to world-leading scientists, The belief is that if you vaccinate people during an active pandemic, you exert evolutionary pressure to bring out superbugs, to cause more virulent, more dangerous pathogens.
So, it's not surprising that it's the vaccinated population that is coming down with all the new variants.
If you look at the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel, Gibraltar, It's very interesting, isn't it?
It's tragic.
Indian Ocean called Sahelis, they all have vaccination rates of over 85% of their population.
Those are the countries experiencing massive outbreaks with Delta variant.
It's very interesting, isn't it?
It's tragic.
You know, in Taiwan, Taiwan published a paper last month that more people have died from
side effects of the vaccines than from COVID-19.
We can't get a lot of airplay with that.
You know, people like you, people like me, you want people to know the truth and then make their own decisions.
But I just recently got censored on YouTube because I talked about hydroxychloroquine.
So never mind talking about the side effects of vaccines or this in particular, the COVID vaccine.
It's been difficult.
Can hydroxychloroquine be used here?
Yes.
As Dr. Zelenko, are you certain of that, Dr. Zelenko?
It is available, but it's hit or miss.
Some pharmacies don't give it out.
Yeah, some pharmacies don't.
It's very difficult to patients to actually get this medication.
And a lot of hospitals and a lot of delay.
And we don't have much time for delay.
So that's why I was able to discover other options besides hydroxychloroquine.
Because all hydroxychloroquine does in this context is deliver zinc into the cell, and it's the same thing that blocks RNA-dependent RNA polymerase, which is very important.
I need your audience to understand, all the variants, I don't care if it's the new South African variant, or the Delta variant, or any other variant, they all use, once they get into the cell, they all use the same pathway to make copies of their genetic material.
the spread of the replication of all the variants.
That's why I have no concern about the new variant if patients know the right approach,
if doctors treat patients in the correct way.
Yeah, since we have seen people who are vaccinated having a lot of breakthroughs,
they're theorizing that the efficacy of the vaccines could be as low as 30%.
What are your thoughts on that?
Have you seen any research that actually tells us the efficacy?
First of all, I think it's a poison duck shot.
And I think that this so-called vaccine, it has I look at it from three perspectives.
Medical necessity, efficacy, and safety.
And then I do a risk versus benefit analysis and see if it makes sense to use it.
The most vaccinated countries are the ones that are experiencing the largest outbreaks, the largest amount of breakthrough.
Just look at the data from Israel.
The hospitals, the ICUs, are filled with vaccinated patients, and they're the ones that are not.
And even our own CDC director, Dr. Walensky, or whatever her name is, she said she's analyzed the Israeli data, and those people that have been vaccinated are the ones that are getting much sicker.
So, this is not... This is the facts.
And, of course, it's counterintuitive.
People don't like to hear this information because You know, billions of people have been duped into taking this, but the reality is that anything that has made sense, that can make a clinical difference, early intervention with zinc and zinc ionophores that have reduced and been proven to reduce death and hospitalization by 85%, that has been vilified, and something that has led to carnage
You know, according to the government in America, which they admit to, there's 18,000 dead Americans from the vaccine array.
They admit to that.
The whistleblower that signed an affidavit from the CDC said the number is largely by a factor of five.
And so, and the VAERS, there was a Harvard study from 2009 on the VAERS system, Which showed that only 1% of actual adverse events are being reported.
That's right, because it's a voluntary basis.
So we know those numbers are very conservative.
We're now approaching over a million adverse events, according to the VAERS.
That's what's already been reported.
Tens of thousands of deaths.
And we're seeing a huge amount of breakthrough infections.
You know, Einstein said, The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
If I've already, let's say, vaccinated people two times and it still doesn't protect them from Delta variant, why would I give them a third shot of the same thing and expect a different result?
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Let's move on to the Omicron, if I'm saying it right, Omicron variant.
Started in Botswana, South Africa in November.
I forget when it was first highlighted, but we are very appreciative for the transparency.
What I don't understand, well let me start with, what are your thoughts on the transmissibility of the Omicron, its lethality?
What are your thoughts on it?
Well, I haven't had direct experience with it, so I can't tell you from experience.
I can just tell you from what I've seen from medical physicians that are dealing with it.
They're saying that the symptoms are mild, that it's not as lethal as the Delta variant or as previous variants.
However, even if it is more infectious, it has 38 different mutations in the spike protein.
So it's not surprising that the existing antibodies that a person may have, either from vaccines or previous variant infections, do not recognize the spike protein of this new variant.
It's understandable.
And so it is most likely that it's going to spread easier because it's going to get into people's cells.
However, And this I have to stress over and over again.
the treatment is the same. If you just in the first few days you can reduce
hospitalization and death most likely by 85%.
It's in Canada.
President Biden, everybody panicked almost immediately without having any information.
I too heard from the South Africa Public Health saying it's a little bit different as people aren't losing their taste or smell like they did with the original coronavirus.
But it's much, much milder.
Maybe a day or two of cough and a little body aches.
But it's spread to these places.
Most likely it's in the United States.
Now tell me, there is some criticism that we're not doing the genome sequences as often as we should.
Does it even matter?
What are your thoughts on that?
It doesn't matter at all because I treat them all the same.
Yeah, that's a great point.
That's a great point.
The other thing, too, is when there was panic immediately about this variant, President Biden stopped travel from South Africa after the holidays.
In that period that he let planes come into the United States, You know, four to six planes had already landed here.
So, it's just the hypocrisy I'm pointing out.
That if you really think something is a danger to your people, it doesn't wait for a holiday to transmit it.
People coming in could have.
And that's what happened in the Netherlands.
You know, they accepted planes and it came.
My thought is, it's gonna spread anyway.
I'm not sure if stopping planes really matters much.
People can travel in a lot of different ways.
The real crisis here is the pandemic of fear and isolation.
What's happening is that whoever is in power is an opportunist using this crisis as a way to flame and maintain anxiety and fear in the world population, definitely in America, and isolate them from the people they love and to cover their freedoms.
You have to ask the question.
I've never seen anything like it since the scare about this variant.
People outside walking alone are wearing masks.
If it makes them feel better, I could care.
But if they really believe that they're protecting themselves, I don't know of one case transmitted outside.
But there is a lot of fear.
And the question is, why is this fear narrative being maintained?
Why is anything that could reduce the fear, give people hope, help people reintegrate back with the people they love, and reopen the economy?
Why isn't anything that has a potential to overcome this crisis being vilified and suppressed?
Why are world-leading doctors, who have a different narrative, being deplatformed?
Like Dr. Robert Malone, who developed the delivery system, with mRNA vaccine? Why can't he give his opinion? He's only
one of the world experts in the field.
Or why is it that access to life-saving medication is being suppressed? Access to
life-saving information is being suppressed. Why are side effects about these vaccines
being suppressed? These are all questions that we need to ask. And if you look at
with the concern of world experts.
I want to focus on children.
According to Dr. Michael Yadin, former Vice President of Pfizer, he told me personally, and then he showed his statistics to the world, that for every one child that dies from COVID, a hundred statistically die from the vaccine.
I'll say it again.
The vaccines that are currently being used are a hundred times more lethal to children than the actual virus that we're trying to protect the children from.
According to the CDC, if you look at the CDC, they tell you that 18 or younger healthy children have a 99.998% chance of recovery from COVID with no treatment.
What that means is that COVID It's safer on children than influenza virus.
So why the hell?
Why would I take a child who is not at risk from COVID and give them a vaccine which causes blood clots, causes myocarditis, increases the rate of cancer and autoimmune diseases, causes ovarian dysfunction, increases miscarriage rates from 10% to 82%?
All this could be documented and proven easily.
And so why would I risk a demographic of children who are not at risk of this virus with an experimental...
Yeah, it's sick.
I tell you, being in the profession for over 30 years, I am so disgusted how politicized this has gotten.
I used to depend on CDC, medical journals.
I can't trust the Lancet anymore.
I can't even trust some of the CDC data anymore.
Nobody's being real transparent.
But I thank you for your time, Dr. Zelenko.
I think you're going to give a lot of people a lot to think about, and we'll put up your website so people can look at what you've done.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Thank you very much, Dev.
We very much appreciate your giving us this time, and I can't think of anyone who would have a better perspective on this than you, because you've either saved More lives from CCP virus than anyone, or I don't think anyone saved more.
And had our government, particularly the vile news media and the left-wing propagandists, not blocked A lot of your solutions.
I think there'd be a lot of people alive today that are not.
And we can't let that happen again.
So, and thank you for having the courage to continue with it.
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Welcome back, and that was a very, very interesting interview with one of the world's biggest experts on the virus, and with Dr. Ryan, who has been a trendsetter here.
She's the first one to break the story concerning the use of the Wuhan lab with Dr. Wen, and she stayed on top of this Very, very astutely for quite some time as well as having to deal with it in her role as a hospital CEO.
So, it was a very interesting discussion and it didn't need my translating it because the both doctors did it in English.
So, congratulations!
Yeah, Dr. Zelenko has a lot of experience.
He treated a lot of patients and I love what he did.
Early on, as I did it, I talked to people in Italy who were seeing patients.
I talked to people in Sweden.
He did the same thing.
Like, what are you seeing?
What shouldn't we do?
What should we do?
And from that, he came up with a great treatment plan that many, many doctors have followed since.
So I guess the things that we, at this point, need to know. And I think we should emphasize at this point
may very well be information may be incorrect but still it has to be given
to the to the people.
Correct. But I think one of the problems with this whole virus
from the very beginning is the public officials have not said to the people,
we're going to give you the information we have, we're going to give it to you honestly,
but because it's an early stage and it's a new thing, it may turn out to be inaccurate
and then we'll correct it immediately.
Yes.
None of that, and therefore people, I think, distrust what they hear.
So let's hope we can keep this.
So this broke out in South Africa.
In South Africa, yes.
In November, there's some dispute a little bit on the time.
Not a big discrepancy, but definitely November.
And now there's a map up on the screen, and we have it here, which shows the places in which it has either been transmitted or detected in a traveler.
That we know about, not getting too complicated for the audience, but you have to do specific testing to see what variant it is.
We don't do a lot of that testing here in the United States because Most likely it hasn't changed.
The treatment's going to change.
So it's probably here in the United States and it could be many more countries than what we're seeing.
We're seeing it in Brazil.
We're seeing it in Canada.
We're seeing it in some of Europe.
Netherlands said they had planes coming in from South Africa and that they linked it to two passengers on that plane.
So it is going to be spread.
We know from science lockdowns don't work.
So the best thing really, Rudy, is to stay very healthy.
We can no longer say, well, get vaccinated.
You won't get it because we know through a lot of the research that Dr. Zelenko talked about that some of the most highly vaccinated countries are seeing massive infections.
Massive infections actually even before this.
Oh yes.
With the Delta variant.
Yes, correct.
Because as I read this map, and I'm sure it'll change almost every day,
but as I read this map, there are only two places where there's been local transmission,
and that's South Africa and Botswana.
Botswana, yep.
Now the rest are, for example, Australia.
Australia, where we often talk about together, what happened to Australia?
Massive lockdowns, jailing people.
We talk to people in Australia who feel they live in a fascist country.
It's terrible.
They're spying on their own people.
They're going into their homes.
It still spreads there.
Impossible to believe.
I mean, we're having it here too, but the level of fascism may be actually worse in Australia than in the United States.
It's been Omicron detected in a traveler in Australia, but then if you look at the rest of the countries on this map, you'll see that all of them, Japan, Japan is detected in a traveler.
Hong Kong, detected in a traveler.
Saudi Arabia detected inter-traveling.
What I don't see here yet, and this may change, right?
This may easily change.
What I don't see here is another situation like Botswana and South Africa where there's been a transmission.
And none in the United States, neither a transmission nor detected inter-traveling.
Now, Dr. Fauci Who turns out to be batting about 250.
No.
Maybe less.
Everything he says turns out to be the opposite and then he says it back.
I can't imagine we have to go through this with that same guy again.
I cannot imagine why Biden is putting us through this with the same guy who got everything wrong the last time.
But in any event, we are.
So we're going to have to work on this by ourselves.
So far, as we know, What we know right now, no case in the United States, no traveler in the United States with it.
He says that we will definitely get it now.
Of course.
It's in Canada.
People can come across the border.
Sometimes they have relatives.
It could be, you know, an American living in Canada.
It's going to come to America if it's not already here.
So look at the map again and you see it's, first of all, I guess the bad news is it looks like it's on every continent, right?
Not much in Asia.
No.
Not much.
Rather well represented in Europe.
It looks like more than half of Europe, or roughly half of Europe.
A very small number of cases, by the way.
Right, but every—it seems like a travel— Yes, a traveler has brought it there.
Very unusual that it would be in Canada, but not the United States yet, right?
And Brazil, which is the biggest country in South America, is the only one in South America.
But then again, it is the biggest country.
And there is a great deal of travel between South Africa and Australia, and a great deal of travel between South Africa and Brazil.
And what I'm really interested in is there's a good deal of travel between South Africa and India, and you don't see it in India, but who knows?
I mean, that all can change.
The real question is, is it more transmissible, more contagious?
Is it more serious or less serious in terms of symptoms?
And is it more or less fatal?
Can it be treated in the same way as CCP virus?
And are the vaccines effective?
The CCP virus ones now are down to like 60%, 50%, 47% effective.
Could be even lower.
They're not what we thought they would be.
Right, unfortunately.
And all those questions, there really are no answers to those yet, are there?
Right now we know from South Africa what they were seeing.
That's all I can repeat is what I've learned from the South African doctors.
It is different because people aren't losing their taste or their smell.
The virus itself looks a little different, but the symptoms are like a mild cold for a day or two.
A cough and body aches.
Very different from Delta.
That's based on the cases in South Africa and maybe Botswana.
To date, in these different places where it has traveled, right now, as of this date, we've seen no hospitalizations and no deaths.
So is this going to be the trajectory?
It's very mild.
A lot of people might get it, but you may not even notice because it's like a day or two.
You might have some body aches and a little cough.
You think you have a cold and then you're fine.
And if we have to face more of this, and it looks like we will, whether it is more serious or less serious, Are we this time going to use treatment and not just rely on... I mean, it's very, very unusual that we don't treat a disease.
Yeah, it's really sad.
Actually, I can't think of a disease that we don't treat.
We make an attempt to treat it.
There's so much we can give people right now to make their symptoms better or less, including those people who get really sick, say, from Delta.
They can get monoclonal antibodies, which is a great treatment.
So here's what I don't understand about the last time and therefore want to avoid it this time.
When human society faces a disease that they don't have a sure cure for, but it is killing people, they always experiment and attempt treatments.
Correct.
Here, all they did was put their Money, let's say, behind vaccines, which means there's going to be a long period of time people dying without being properly treated.
And they seem to become almost dictatorial.
They did become dictatorial.
They did.
Hitlerian.
Telling providers you can't use this drug.
About the use of medicines.
Right.
That are known to be effective.
Numerous, numerous doctors in the field said we're working.
And they had no other answer.
Normally, you would let those doctors in the field, until you got the answers, take a chance to save their patients.
And instead, they stopped them.
There's something about that that we don't understand yet.
Thankfully, many, many providers did what was right.
Like Dr. Zelenko.
Like Dr. Zelenko and treated patients.
This is a work in progress, my friends, and it's a work in progress we want to stay close to because, again, what I said at the beginning is true.
My mother used to say it and Benjamin Franklin used to say it and every intelligent person in the world and Greek philosopher used to say it, right?
Everybody makes mistakes.
Stupid people make the same mistake twice.
And if the first time it wasn't a mistake, it was on purpose, Then very evil people make the same mistake twice.
This time let's not make the same mistake twice.
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