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June 5, 2021 - Rudy Giuliani
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Insider Reveals Chinese Communist Cover-up Of Mass Murder | Dr. Li-Meng YAN and Maria Ryan | Ep. 143
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This is Rudy Giuliani coming to you with another edition of Rudy's Common Sense.
And today, we're going to have a very, very interesting conversation with two people who really know the origin of this CCP virus.
I know everybody else calls it COVID-19.
I call it the CCP virus because I believe this was given to the world by the Chinese Communist Party.
I think there's no question about that.
What we're going to ask about now, there are some questions about.
The fact that they knew about it, the fact that they spread it deliberately, the fact that they kept information from the rest of the world that would have helped us save lives, undisputed.
The only thing that is in dispute is whether a weak president and administration can do anything about it.
Or should I say, a president who has been paid a lot of money by China.
Is he capable of really acting in our interest?
But more about that later.
Let's get to the two guests that we have, both of whom understood this A long time before our corrupt media acknowledged it.
So let me introduce Dr. Maria Ryan, who's my co-host on... Uncovering the Truth.
Uncovering the Truth every Sunday, in which we examine questions like this.
Dr. Ryan was the head of Cottage Hospital.
She was the CEO of Cottage Hospital for some time.
She reformed Cottage Hospital.
And in the course of those duties, Dr. Ryan, who is a nurse practitioner and a PhD in hospital administration, had to prepare our hospital to get ready for this, and therefore anticipated a lot of what we later found out.
And I know from personal experience working with her, she was predicting all of these things.
Seems to me even before the beginning of 2020.
I think you all know Dr. Li Min Yan, who is a hero, a hero of the Chinese people, a hero of the world, really, because she was working in Hong Kong, and she was working for another laboratory in Hong Kong that does similar kinds of research.
And when this happened, But within a day or so, if it's happening, she was assigned to do an analysis of it by her superior.
And she did.
She did an analysis of it, and she came to some very, very quick, but very, very sustainable conclusions that then got her into a lot of trouble in the United States, and now she's been proven right.
So these two ladies have a perfect right to say, I told you so.
They haven't done it yet, but I'm going to try to get them to do it.
So let me start with Dr. Ryan and let her do a lot of the questioning because she understands this far better than I do.
I probably understand it like you do, so maybe I can help you kind of translate it.
Dr. Ryan, how did you first become aware of what later became the pandemic?
And what did you do about it?
I mean, can you remember when you first became aware of it, and then the first steps that you took to deal with it?
I do.
I remember the reports coming out of China in December of 2019, and they were very suspicious from the beginning.
There were some leaked videos that looked like the military was helping bring dead bodies out of apartment buildings.
There was chatter that there was a big cover-up going on with some kind of virus and that was in December of 2019.
By the end of December, I was talking to Italian doctors because now the virus that we learned about earlier in December in Wuhan was now in northern Italy and it was decimating the elderly population there.
So I was already in contact with physicians on the clinical picture.
At that time I was really into, I need to know what a patient looks like who's getting severe COVID-19 so I could prepare my facility.
A lot of us in the hospital business were working with our state governments and our federal government to be prepared.
What we were being told was we were going to need massive ventilators.
That's what was talked about.
Then we realized that there was a PPE, Personal Protective Equipment, shortage.
I was lucky.
At Cottage Hospital, after the 2010 pandemic with H1N1, I had stockpiled.
I had trailers full of masks, goggles, stretchers.
So I didn't feel the panic as far as equipment.
And then I started looking at things a little bit more.
Then my mind was curious more about the virus Very easily looking online, learning about Dr. Shi Zhengli, if I pronounce it correctly.
The Bat Lady!
Yes, the Bat Lady, one of the top virologists at the Wuhan Lab of Virology, and her publications went back to 2007.
to 2007. 2013 she identified the S protein in about three different I don't
know if it's three different bat species or... Bat coronavirus.
The bat coronavirus.
And then 2015, in four publications, she published that she is now replicating the virus, meaning man-made manipulation, and she was testing on mice in her next... Was it described as humanized mice?
Humanized mice.
They use humanized mice to do these kind of things because they try common lab mouse and the result is not that good.
And so later they realized a humanized mouse is a very good model.
So that humanized model from Barrick.
Fascinating.
I pick up a few things here and there.
Because I didn't even know which type of mice.
So around January or so, I remember this.
You had already come to pretty much a conclusion that the story they were putting out sounded like nonsense.
That somebody ate a bat from the Wuhan meat market.
And your logical thought was it's more likely Yeah, because I had it in writing that the director, I don't know if her title was director, but one of the lead virologists was doing this already with bat coronavirus in her lab.
And it was well publicized in Nature magazine, which is a scientific magazine, so it wasn't like in the National Enquirer.
Her and other scientists were really proud.
This was a respected magazine and she was getting a great deal of credit for this.
Absolutely.
Until obviously it turned bad.
Yeah, absolutely.
So now, Dr. Yen, at this time you're in Hong Kong, right?
Yes.
And just tell me a little about your background leading up to this role that you had.
What's your specialty and how long you've been doing it and how long have you been at your present position?
Okay, actually I got my medical doctor and then the PhD doctor degree from the two top medical universities in China and then I moved to the University of Hong Kong for further investigation and then I turned to the virology field because I got a chance to work with the WHO team members and in their WHO H5 reference lab, which is also the top coronavirus lab in the world.
The one you worked in was the top one.
And I directly worked with a bunch of the top coronavirus experts in the world.
So I worked with them for over five years.
I worked on the vaccine development and also the virus like influenza.
And we also conducted the emerging disease, that kind of investigation, including the
later COVID-19 scenes. So when this outbreak actually in the beginning...
So when did you first become aware of something different was happening,
some outbreak or some terrible thing was going to happen?
Yeah, so that is end of December 2019.
And because going through my network in China, the doctors are talking about some new pneumonia happened.
And also almost the same time, the whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang in Wuhan got arrested.
And the government said people should not So he came out and was actually telling the truth.
When did he first come out?
And what did he say?
Oh, he talked about it through the WeChat group and informing his colleagues and tell them there are really some unknown pneumonia happened.
It's like SARS.
And then show some diagnose picture from the gene company in China.
like not that patient.
So he told people, be careful when you work with such patients.
There are something new.
And then this picture later gets spread around, surround, among doctors.
And then government notices.
So what's the time period when he first alerted people and before he got arrested?
I think just within two, three days or maximum one week.
It went viral.
I mean, it went around the world.
For the medical people.
I'm just sort of getting a feeling for, he says this pneumonia is more complicated and very dangerous.
It's very different.
It's very new.
You've got to be very careful.
And don't talk much.
Government doesn't want you to talk about it.
But then all of a sudden, the government says, cracks down on them.
Boom.
Yes.
What, two, three days, four days?
Yeah, I think around 29th December.
So about the 20th of December, about the 29th, the government cracks down on them.
Yeah, and then the next day, the government immediately puts an announcement because they know this guy is telling something they don't want people to know.
And the announcement they put out is nobody should talk about this.
Yes, I put announcements that, yeah, we do detect pneumonia, but don't worry, nothing happened.
No human-to-human transmission.
That is right.
I remember that, right.
No human-to-human transmission.
Exactly.
Only if you ate the bat.
You had to eat the bat?
The original theory wasn't spread by eating the bat.
No, the original theory is actually, at that time, China government tried to push people to believe this is some animal sold in the seafood market, which they don't know what animal it is, but they tried to make people believe some people went to the seafood market, touched the animal they are selling, which is sick, so they get sick.
Interesting, because the story in America the first ones were that people eat the bat.
That's later.
Because they cannot find the animal.
So they have to mention that, oh, they eat bat.
But we Chinese people, we don't eat bat.
Now, but also I understand, just so we get that on the table,
the Wuhan wet market didn't sell bats.
No, no.
And the bats that are capable of doing this were a thousand miles away.
Yes.
And probably at that time of the year in hibernation.
Yes, exactly.
They cannot fly so far away.
So it didn't turn out to be a good alibi.
Let's put it that way.
It had a lot of holes in it.
It forced you to believe.
And at least 40 people initially who came down with this mysterious lung illness had nothing to do with the wet market.
So their story was falling apart.
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Now, you were asked to look at it. How did that happen?
So yeah, I was brought by my supervisor, Dr. Liu Peng, who is another WHO expert,
into his office on 31st December 2019.
He said, I want you to do some investigation in secret using your network because now we know that there is a new pneumonia.
It's like SARS happened in China, in Wuhan.
But we don't know what exactly happened.
And I said, you are WHO expert.
Why cannot you ask?
And then he said, no, no, no.
China government doesn't allow us to know everything.
And you should be careful.
Don't cross the red line.
I mean, this is not allowed.
In China, we know red line is invisible.
You think government doesn't like something, you don't touch.
That's the red line.
Oh, interesting.
It's called the red line.
Yeah, but it's not clear as U.S.
at all.
We don't.
It's just in their mind.
So you were told to find out what this was about, but don't go too far in trying to find out what it's about.
Yeah, don't let China notice it.
If not, you are in trouble.
Because China doesn't want people to know what it's about.
And China was not sharing information with the WHO.
No.
No, they don't share, they even don't share it to Hong Kong government.
Yeah, they were keeping it tight.
And was the WHO asking for information?
Or did they realize you can't ask China for information?
Because my lab is a WHO reference lab.
So one of important tasks is to do the emerging disease surveillance.
Also, my lab is a China's national emerging disease lab.
So they have their responsibility.
Once they see this kind of things happen, they should report, they should announce, and especially WHO have their protocol.
You have to announce it, let them know like within 24 hours or maybe a little bit longer, but should not be so long.
So later things happen is when I report to Dr. Liu Peng, and also the other supervisor, Malik Peres, also knows this, but both of them, they keep silent.
I mean, they are part of WHO, and their colleague knows that.
I know they were discussing this.
When you say they keep silent, what does that mean?
Whole WHO keeps silent, because these WHO experts know what I know.
So tell us now, how quickly did it take you to analyze it and come to a reasonably secure position about what was going on?
Oh, actually, I directly contacted my doctors in Wuhan, doctors in China, CDC, and other important authorities and labs.
All my information actually immediately feed back to Dr. Liu Peng and later goes to Malaga, Paris.
I know this in one day.
So, from 31st December to the 3rd January, I kept working on that.
All the message I get, actually, including human to human transmission, already exists
in Wuhan in December.
Over 40 patients are diagnosed.
I mean, some more are not diagnosed.
And these diagnosed people, only two-thirds are announced by China government because
the other one-third don't have the history in seafood market.
So China...
So they're trying to make it fit a narrative.
Yeah.
So China doesn't allow these people without history in seafood market to be known by the
public.
And China, actually, in Wuhan, they have already worked on the sequence of virus.
They know what it is, but they don't allow people talk about it.
When you say they know what it is, how did you know that?
And did you know what it was?
I have my first-hand information from the people in CDC who handle these things.
From CDC?
The China CDC.
Like our CDC.
And when did you get that information from them?
Right away?
From 31st December right away and keep communicating until 3rd January.
Later on, because my supervisor Liu Peng directly hand over all these contacts.
And what did they, basically, if you could simplify it for a lay audience, what did the people from the CDC tell you on December 31st, January 1st, January 2nd?
That's the period of time we're talking about?
Exactly.
And most of this is, what, over the telephone, or Skype, or Zoom?
WeChat and phone.
Pardon me?
WeChat.
WeChat is in China.
Oh, WeChat is like WhatsApp?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So what did they, tell us what they told you.
We talk a lot, but the most information is first, all the things are confidential.
They can tell me because they know I'm on behalf of WHO reference lab.
And the second thing is, there are more patients than China government admit, and more patients they even haven't diagnosed.
I mean, they refuse to give so many diagnosis.
and China has postponed all this information. Although back to December 2019, they know the
virus genome, they know human-to-human transmission exists, they know people...
So they had known about it earlier in December?
In December, at least, yes.
At least?
Yeah, at least in December.
They knew really good information early on, but they weren't letting the world know it.
They didn't specify how early on, they just said in December?
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So China government still doesn't allow people to talk about it.
They punish the doctor who talk about it, like the whistleblower Li Wenliang, and then they ask Wuhan government to send their samples to Beijing for double confirm and again delay the result because head of China CDC Zhao Fugao need to do it all by himself and then announce it.
So instead of some samples going to your reference lab or another reference lab, they're tightening down and only samples can go to Beijing.
And you were told that by your colleagues who worked for the CDC in China, who were working at the Wuhan lab?
Not in Wuhan, in Beijing.
I see, but they were getting the information from Wuhan.
Yes, yes.
And they were looking at samples.
Did they know Did they know the derivation of it?
Did they know where it came from?
They know that's definitely, I mean, no, they never mentioned this is a lab leak.
I mean, I can see from all the information I have, no doctor, no authority people talking about this is a lab leak.
So if this is an accident happened in the lab in Wuhan, there should be search people talking about it because it's very easy to locate it.
But they don't know.
And then they said this is something just very confidential.
And even the Wuhan Virology Institute, Although they work on these things, but China government
doesn't want them to get involved too much But did they tell you that there were far more cases than
they were acknowledging?
Yes, there are more cases than they know because also from other information
I get later that the doctors in Wuhan they are scared because patients stay there in their ward
Which is not a respiratory disease ward That means that it's full, and other wards even... Their wards were full?
In Wuhan?
Yeah, and they even go to some other wards, in other departments.
No isolation.
In the rest of the world, they were telling No human-to-human contact.
So, the WHO was telling the world that.
You know, they're a respected agency.
Dr. Fauci was telling us that in America, we have nothing to worry about.
This is isolated in Wuhan.
No human-to-human contact.
But yet, they had more knowledge, choosing not to tell the world.
When they told you no human-to-human contact, did you know that that was not true?
Yeah, you know what, sir?
Actually, from the beginning, when I said no human-to-human transmission now, are you sure?
Because we see a lot of people who go to the seafood market also get infected, right?
Based on the information.
My friend laughed.
They said, except for the guy who announced no human-to-human transmission, all the other experts around them actually laughed.
People all know this is something laughable.
I mean, definitely human-to-human transmission exists.
When did you know that that particular lab was doing what's called gain-of-function testing and research?
Oh, actually, if you mean the Wuhan lab, you just search online and you know because we know the coronavirus.
Wuhan lab is one of the famous labs who conduct this kind of lab.
So you knew that in advance?
Yeah, it's common sense in our field.
And that is not the only lab.
We also know that military-civil fusion is common in this field.
And not only one lab can do it, not only one team can do it.
So that's why Wuhan lab, although this virus So P4 lab is a very high level.
But in China, there are more labs actually working on this and behind is China military.
Are they all P4 level labs?
This doesn't need to be P4. P3 can work on this.
They can.
Exactly. Yes.
So P4 lab is a very high level. You have high safety standards because you don't want leaks
to happen. But yet they weren't following those standards anyway.
No, actually, to be specific, P3 lab is high standard enough to
P4 is much higher, but for this coronavirus, P3 is enough.
You could have done it in a P3, which your lab was a P3.
Yeah, and also there are more P3 labs than you know in China.
So that's why I said people only focus on Wuhan because there is a P4.
That's because they don't know this virus is suitable for P3.
As much as you can in layman's terms, because I don't think we have a lot of virologists who are going to be listening.
Yeah, sorry.
So no, no, no.
I was going to ask a question.
You're doing great.
So initially the genome sequence was published, quickly removed so the world didn't know.
How did you figure out that sequence and why is it so important to know that sequence?
Oh, that is even after mid-January, because China finally published the sequence of the virus on 12th January from NIH's database.
So I got to know it, I checked it on 16th and at that time it is version 2.
Usually we don't put different version because it's just like take a picture.
No way to be problem.
And then so later I know that I checked that I say they remove the previous version and then I discussed it with my husband, who is also another WHO coronavirus expert, and he told me that he examined the first version, too, before they removed it, and there were errors which cannot be explained.
And if you just check that one, you cannot find out where this virus family is.
So is that the importance of knowing the sequencing so you really can zero in on where it came from.
And if you know the sequence, you can kind of tell what was manipulated.
Yeah, so that's why it means the previous, the first version, it stays there for two days.
It cannot let the scientists understand where the virus is from.
But later you know why they changed that.
One reason is 13 January, there is the first overseas cases happened in Thailand.
That means Thailand can get the virus genome.
So then China can maybe feel scared.
That's why they update it to the kind of true sequence.
And then when I examine it, I clearly see that from the database, all thousands of thousands of virus we know, the most close one actually is this one I said, the one from China military.
When did you realize that?
16th January.
When you first heard about it, when you immediately heard about it, when you first heard about it on December 31st January, did you think immediately that it probably came from the laboratory?
Because the laboratory had kind of a bad reputation for being careful.
Careless.
For me, better put, you had a bad reputation for being careless.
Actually, the careless part is something common in the lab, but we all know that for P3 lab, we call it BSL-3 lab, There are very strict protocol and there were cases
happened before in Taipei in Singapore in Beijing like the SARS-1 virus release, but that can be
held immediately and they know how to handle these things.
But this case is once I realized it is from the PLA virus and based on the intelligence
I think it's important for the audience to know what PLA is.
People's Liberation Army.
Our Chinese army.
So the military is now involved with doing this.
When did the military come in?
The military actually, they spend more than 10 years, 20 years working on... So the military was involved way before this?
With gain-of-function, yeah.
To promote this development.
For bioweapons.
Well, that's a big jump.
So the People's Liberation Army was involved with the Wuhan lab, right?
They work all together.
And why?
Why were they involved?
Oh, because Wuhan Lab is like our lab in Hong Kong.
They are kind of international and open because they have the civil code and they have the experts there.
So this is a hub for knowledge exchange and also money from US, like NIH money, they won't directly, usually won't give it to military.
But if this is from Wuhan Lab, from our lab in Hong Kong, they can easily get money.
So, and how long was the People's Liberation Army, the military, how long was it involved in the Wuhan lab?
I think they have been working from the beginning.
So they're an integral part of it.
Yes, there's kind of no difference among military and civil scientists sometimes.
Because they can work for military, at the same time work for civil lab.
And for US people, if they see their title, sometimes just show the civil title.
Yeah, you don't know.
So, is the assumption from that that the lab was used in part for military purposes?
Yes, because there is only one P4 lab.
If the military wants to do something very dangerous, definitely they can use that one.
Which was the only P4 lab?
That is the only P4 lab in Mainland China.
But they also have several P3 labs which can fulfill their activities.
Is the military involved with those other labs too?
Yes, military labs can go anywhere.
My lab in the University of Hong Kong.
Military is involved there.
Even U.S.
I mean, we have already identified many.
In New York, Blood Center, the top lab for this study too.
Also, there are a lot of military scientists working there.
How many?
American military.
Chinese military.
No, no, no.
Chinese military is working here?
Yeah, in New York Blood Center, we identified.
And Boston.
New York.
And there's some other people working with other universities, like Texas.
And I haven't identified so many, but many, many collaborations among the top universities in U.S.
That's how China get your knowledge.
Yeah.
Yeah, they've been doing that for a while.
So because this was a P4 lab, the military was more involved.
than in some other labs, but they were involved in all the labs.
Is that what you're telling me?
Yeah, I think what she's saying is some of the scientists have like this dual role.
They're military, but if they were to be interviewed on television, they don't necessarily say their military status.
They just say they're a scientist.
Yeah, yeah.
But I guess what confused me was in February, because they were already trying to close down all information from the lab, And in February, they actually took over.
Yes, a bioweapon expert general.
Yes, so a bioweapon expert comes in and takes over the lab in February.
I thought that was striking.
Yes, that was.
But you know, in China, most of the time, they don't mind people say what, because they know misinformation can change your brain later.
So actually, from the beginning, January 2020, Wuhan Virology Institute already got the demand to destroy their COVID virus samples and also clean seafood market by the government.
But still in February, Bioweapon General Wei Chen, who's also the bioweapon expert during SARS time and developed vaccines So she was sent to Wuhan, China, taking charge of all that lab.
And then, we don't know what happened, but what we know, recently, this week, she got a top award in China.
Did you know how far the Bat Lady had gone in manipulating these viruses, in creating man-made viruses?
Well, we could see her work through Nature Magazine.
So you knew that from Nature Magazine?
Yep.
You knew that from both Nature Magazine and also your colleagues telling you that?
Yes, because her work is kind of open, published online, and she actually is the one after SARS-CoV-2 and become famous because she has collected a lot of samples, which means even normal virus from bat or other animals.
related to this and also later work with like Ralph Baric in North Carolina University to do some gain-of-function tests.
She's also the one identify the called ancestor of SARS-1 virus from the bat.
She's not an academic member in the U.S.
Academy of Microbiology, but she's not the only one who got into this.
She worked with people.
She had a whole team.
So when you first began talking and analyzing and trying to determine how it happened, Was it pretty obvious from the beginning, given the gain-of-function experiments they did there, given who she was?
that this was probably developed in the laboratory?
Was that almost obvious?
Yes, but not based only on her experiment.
So tell me when you first concluded that this was not something developed in nature, but it was something developed in the laboratory.
Okay, so briefly what I can tell is that combined my expertise, my knowledge, and also intelligence in this.
So we say that this virus actually most close to the PLA virus, army virus, which is published in 2017 to 2018.
So can I have clarification with that?
You call this the PLA virus.
the army virus so it was developed by the army found by the army they go to search the new virus from the animals because this is involved into the big projects organized by the china government for many years China government want find a lot of new virus from the animal.
I mean, they said they want study it and prevent, but actually this virus never jump to human if they don't disturb the animals.
And then finally, in 2017 to 2018, they published this virus.
And in this virus, they show this virus is a good backbone.
I mean, A good backbone to transmit viruses to humans?
demand. But at the time, they publish it and then no further news.
So a good backbone to transmit viruses to humans?
The good backbone means you always need to have a normal, a natural virus, and then you change the
function. That is very ideal. Because if we just image something and then make it in the lab,
you know, virus is another creature.
They have their own character.
You cannot guarantee it's perfect.
It can go to human body, animal body.
You cannot guarantee many, many features.
How did you know scientifically this was manipulated by man?
And when did you first think that?
16 January.
Not before that?
No, because before that we don't have the genome and I was not allowed to do the investigation.
But up until that time they were talking about it being from the wet market.
We know it is not from the wet market.
Why do we know that?
Because that's what China was saying, right?
No, I mean, at that time, although we still need more evidence, but we see China government's behavior is very weird.
We Chinese people have our common sense, our government try to hide things, they try to restrict the infection from the seafood market, and they have their So, am I correct?
from that market before they clean it.
And the sample all from environment.
You know, I teach the pandemics course in my university.
So if you think it's from animal, then you should check something related to animal
in the market.
Why is only environment sample?
That means clean the table, clean the wall.
So am I correct?
The first hypothesis was, first.
That's what we were told in America.
reading but you know this better than I do. First thing they put out was this
Yes.
comes from the Wuhan wet market. Correct. That people bought bats. That's what we
were told in America. And that they ate the bats. Yes, animals are bad.
Yeah, but we were told specifically bats.
Pretty much bats.
Yeah, we were told specifically bats.
Bats, ate the bats.
No human-to-human transfer.
The only ones who are going to get it.
And the only ones who are going to get it are the people who ate the bats.
Yep, yep.
That's what we were told.
That would be like the first week in January, whatever, right?
Yep.
So, did you hear that in China as a theory?
We hear that, but we won't believe that.
What did you think of that?
Why did you not believe that?
First, we don't eat bad.
I mean, I can be honest, tell you that our friends, my old friends say the bad soup picture from the social media, everyone is, eh, terrible.
We cannot believe.
But in Philippines or Indonesia, those people told us they eat bad, but they don't get such outbreak, right?
So this is clearly China government is hiding something using propaganda.
You know, in China, if you well know something, most probably that is propaganda from the government.
So you were pretty sure when you heard that that was propaganda from the government?
Oh yeah, bat soup is propaganda, of course.
Bat soup?
Yeah, eating bats is propaganda.
Yes, they were showing pictures online.
So the way it was related to us here in America was, when it became questionable, that they don't eat bats in Wuhan.
But they do in a thousand miles away in Yunnan.
No.
Not true?
That's not true?
Yeah, I've been to Yunnan.
No.
They don't eat bats there either?
No, no, no.
Maybe very occasionally one person likes to eat bats, but definitely... It's not a big thing.
It's new to us too.
Very new to us.
Okay.
And that part of China, Wuhan, doesn't have bats.
So, not having that theory, what were you working on?
What was your hypothesis?
So, not having that theory, what were you working on?
What was your hypothesis?
Actually, from the 3rd to 16th January, I was brought out from the investigation.
Yes.
because my supervisor told me clearly, he directly contact my friend in China CDC,
and because this is confidential information, he need to protect my friend,
which I thought is reasonable, and I thought they were doing some action
among the international scientific group.
So was he taking you out of the investigation?
Yes, from SIRDA.
What made you fear for your life and escape to America?
Oh, that is later, Because 16th January, again, my supervisor turned to me and said, you need to help me do another scene investigation.
And then he showed me a picture, which is a raccoon dog.
It's an animal in a cage.
From his email, someone sent him and said, It's like to imply him to search this animal can be suspicious host.
So he just told me that.
Go to ask your friend whether they eat this in Wuhan.
Do you think that was really something to investigate or was this another line of propaganda to get the scientists going down a different road?
You are clear.
Okay.
Yes.
Yeah, she says that's exactly right.
So your supervisor takes you out for a couple weeks.
Then he comes back and he gives you the proposition.
of a raccoon dog.
This was maybe transmitted by a raccoon or a dog?
Raccoon dog is an animal.
Raccoon dog looks like the seaweed cat.
Oh, and the seaweed cat is where we got SARS-1.
Yes, and your lab discovered them.
Yeah, so CivitCat is another funny story which they were told CivitCat can be, and then they go to Guangzhou, and immediately Guangzhou government found a sample, gave them like 10 to 15 samples, half of them are positive, so they said it's from CivitCat.
So now, what do you do with that?
What do you conclude about that?
I turn to do my research from my network in Wuhan, also China CDC and other people.
What I see makes me shocked because I thought WHO has done something at this China government, even if they don't want us to know, maybe
they had conducted something, right?
But no, in China, in Wuhan, they let the patients all around and then they don't do any protection
to isolate patients and also doctors, doctors were nervous.
This is in Wuhan.
Wuhan.
As late as January 16th.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, January 16th.
They're not doing anything to isolate the patients?
No, and they don't allow doctors to talk about it.
Doctors are nervous, and the doctor told me that they are scared.
They dare not talk to me about this, and I promise I won't Yeah, yeah, of course.
So they said, yeah, terrible.
And they told the government, and they have done the examination, exclude all the other possibility of the patient.
And then government said, okay, we will handle it.
So no feedback.
So that means everyone's worrying about this virus.
And information's not being shared.
No, not allowed.
Because from December, they know they should shut up.
Yeah, and then I know that they don't eat raccoon dog.
My friends in Wuhan even didn't know raccoon dog.
And you know, in Wuhan, if Chinese people eat wild animals, it shouldn't be a bad dog.
So they do the bat theory out there.
So they got the bat theory, they got other animals, they have the raccoon dog.
Any more?
Any more animals?
Yeah, yeah, later some China university said this from snake.
I think I do remember that.
Yeah, some said it's from some other, say, bamboo rat, which is another animal.
And also some people talk about it's from the outer space.
Yeah, they have talked about that.
Really?
Yeah, and the most popular propaganda is U.S.
government threw the bioweapon to China.
I did hear that.
That's even from the beginning.
Did you hear that, Rudy?
I did hear that, too.
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Now, when did you then become convinced or begin to think or then become convinced that it was developed in the laboratory?
Yeah, so that is although we're suspicious before, but I need the scientific evidence.
So from the beginning you were suspicious that maybe it came from there.
It can be because I work on virus.
It's, I mean, gun function virus definitely stay in China because I know they change the baby's gene, right?
For the HIV editing baby, they change monkey's head.
And in China, everything you can do if government like it.
Right.
So the only thing I need is a scientific evidence, which is on 16th January after my research, and I was warned by my supervisor clearly that be careful, keep silent and don't cross the red line.
If not, you will be dispaired.
I know it is very serious.
And I say I respond to him about this information.
His attitude is, oh, we know China is doing that.
They are still doing that.
Like this.
So the information you gave him was about the dog and about the... Animals, no animals.
And he basically knew it was... No, we can do nothing and we should all keep silence like this.
So that gave him the signal that they were not doing it legitimately.
Yeah, they didn't and they won't because they are scared of China government.
Of course.
But they share information.
So tell me how...
So now tell me, how did you get to the idea that it was the laboratory?
Yeah, so okay, so then later when I, after my work, I started to do more research, and then when I checked the genome, and then I was passed by my husband, at that time when I talked to him, he also showed me the publication talking about this army virus.
And he knows more than me about that, because he is the top expert working with Marduk Peres.
So that means Malik and my husband, they know more about this virus than me.
And then when I read the publication, when I check the virus sequence, I compare that.
I see clearly something's wrong, because among the different parts of the virus, you see some part is clearly changed, and which has like over 30% difference compared to this, which we call the S-protein.
And some part, I mean, that is clearly 100% identical between the backbone virus and the new coronavirus.
So that doesn't match nature evolution principle.
So now explain that again.
Yeah.
Dr. Maria, could you help us?
So if I understand you correctly.
So she was told that they had developed this backbone virus that would make it easier to do this.
Right.
But then what does she find out?
Well, when you got the genome sequence, you could clearly see through this.
How do you describe that in layman's terms?
so almost like DNA. Like RNA. This is RNA. The RNA. The RNA.
Rubio nucleotide nucleic acid.
So by comparing the RNA, you could tell that there was no evolution of nature.
Yes, basically you can see, for example, you can image the military virus is like father, and so the son is the virus.
You had to look at the military virus.
Yeah, compared to this one.
To that, You could clearly see.
Yeah, it's like father and son.
And there was something you definitely say it can be after the plastic surgery.
Yeah, it's not a novel one.
It's not a nature one, but it's a novel one.
And also, when you see all these things happen, you see China government's behavior, you see all those things.
Based on my expertise, I almost understand what they have done, which is not verified.
When you say military virus, what do you mean by military virus?
Military is, you know... Is that a bioweapon?
Military gets involved, usually it's about weapons.
So this here, this here is Zhoushan virus.
Yeah, Zhoushan is the place.
That's the military virus.
They found it in Zhoushan, not Yunnan.
Zhoushan is east China.
Yeah, this is the military virus.
Yeah, this is a particular region in China.
Yeah.
So when you when you compare that... Yeah.
The genome sequence of that to this new, we called it first a novel virus, COVID-19.
They were the same?
They are 12% difference.
The whole genome, you can think of it like 30,000 letters.
It's a nucleotide.
And among that, there are 3,000 difference.
3,000 of 30,000 difference?
Yes.
So you could tell it was related?
Yeah, because no other one are more close to that.
Right.
Yeah.
And also, you should know that during the nature evolution, you know, the change, they have the principle, follow the principle.
But when I check, like, for example, I compare the spike to spike, and then I compare the shell, we call it envelope, to shell, we compare the internal part.
So different parts, they show imbalanced change.
Which doesn't match the nature of our emotion.
Yeah.
So very scientifically she was able to tell that there was no way this was a natural scientific evolution because it didn't follow those principles that normally happen with a natural evolution of a virus.
It was very much related to what she refers to as the army So you came to the conclusion that it was developed in the laboratory.
Now, how did that lead to your having to leave China?
Oh, because once I realized that, I see how the WHO, so the expert work, I see how China government work, and I know China, so I immediately realized this is something very, very big.
I was shocked.
And I'm the doctor, I know in such situation, government don't do anything, you know, that is Chinese New Year time.
Wuhan is the biggest transportation hub in China.
And China can do nothing.
And they allowed people to go out.
China had closed down people traveling in China.
No, at that time, no.
Not at that time, because they allowed, because of the Chinese New Year.
That was one week before lockdown.
Yeah.
They allowed them to participate in Chinese New Year.
I see.
They allowed them to participate in Chinese New Year, and then after that they locked down.
No, that's because of my revelation.
Because that is like Christmas in the U.S.
People are traveling around, going all over the world.
And the China government definitely doesn't want to do anything.
Because at the same time, they even gave a confidential document to Chinese doctors.
The first thing they mentioned inside is like, don't talk too much.
Just do it according to the guidance.
And then these things, I know I have to deliver my message out, because as later I told Mr. Mulder that there are at least several things we'll have and which are verified.
First, if we don't hold it in control, In time, there will be crazy outbreak, and even later can be pandemic in the world.
The virus, because it's coronavirus, the nature means that it will get high mutant if this is outbreak or pandemic, which is not also verified.
And the human-to-human transmission exists, imagine such big transportation, what will happen?
I mean, this crazy So you must have been in a panic.
Here you realize that this is going to spread like wildfire and it's going to cause a worldwide pandemic.
You got the information.
You know China, Communist Party has already been telling everybody, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet.
But you have a moral obligation to warn people.
I have to.
I feel if I keep silent, I know if I tell it, China can target me immediately.
I may get despair before I deliver it out.
But I also know that if I don't tell it, I cannot forgive myself.
So who do you tell it to?
So yeah, so I, uh, the next day, 17th January, I decide to contact Mr. Mulder because I think about that.
I know the situation is dangerous and I don't know anyone who can do this, but I listened to his media and I... And who is he?
Mr. Mulder is...
Yes, he's the one working from 2017 to do the broadcast once or twice every day, keep telling the things about the darkness in China, and also telling the truth.
I mean, I listened to his broadcast times, two times, and I feel if he knows that, he would be the one help me.
So I managed to contact him through Twitter.
Because immediately now you knew you had to get out of China.
I didn't want to leave China.
I cannot.
My family's there.
But may I say your first thing was you want to get the message out so people can protect themselves.
And you got the message out.
Yes, yes.
And that led to the shutdown.
The thing is, not only because I tell the cover-up or transmission between humans, or even the outbreak will happen, because China doesn't care about those things.
The thing is, I tell it is from this military virus.
China realized someone inside knows this.
And I later showed that E protein is 100% identical, which exactly shows this virus cannot be
from nature evolution.
And when did you leave China?
I leave at the end of April.
I arrive U.S.
on 29th April.
I still keep working in the University of Hong Kong at that time, unless I was warned by Mr. Mulder that I'm really in danger.
Did they ever identify you as the person?
Yeah, I think they've identified me.
When did they identify you?
I got Mr. Mulder's notice on, like, 15th April, one morning.
That's when they... They didn't identify you as the person until April 15th.
I think they may identify, but that is a time they won't make me disappear.
Yeah.
Isn't it funny?
You know, make me disappear.
It gives me the chills to know that your government could disappear you.
That's not only about physically disappear.
We see it in the Hong Kong movement.
Protesters.
We also see it in China's history.
Chinese Communist Party not only make you physically disappear, they can make you have mental problem.
And also they can silence you.
It's like what I made in US later.
So although you are telling the truth, you have the logic and common sense, but they make... So then they try to tear down your reputation.
Exactly.
No one believe you or attack you.
This is Were they doing that before you left?
But they didn't know about you before you left.
They didn't know where this information was coming from originally, right?
They may not know it in public, but they definitely can lock me because I use WeChat and WhatsApp.
Did they put pressure on you?
No, I didn't feel because I mean, I...
Because I kept working on this, I kept updating the things.
I told Mr. Lu that we deliver a message, that the statement in February was the one organized by China.
Yeah, in the Lancet magazine, which we used to, in the medical field, feel that that was a very high-level, respectable magazine.
But the minute they published that in February, I knew they were bought and paid for by China, which is terrible.
You need to have some pure scientific, you know, magazines, journals, without bias of politics.
So let's get your conclusions, because... Let's get your conclusions clear.
So before you left, You were certain that it was produced in the laboratory?
Yes, more and more evidence later also proved.
But now, I mean, now there's been even more evidence since then.
But even before you left, you were certain it was produced in the laboratory.
19th January, I'm sure.
That's why I spent two days from 17 to 19 to explain all the things to Mr. Luther, he's also a layman.
And he used his logic and common sense to understand the things.
Because I'm anonymously, I cannot show my face.
And then he delivered my message out, which is not only is PLA made, it also includes another message that I told people.
There is no animal holster, and the seafood market is a smokescreen, and this one is intentionally released.
And then, if you did, did you conclude that this was produced for military purposes?
Because military get involved, and we see the virus is super enhanced, and we see the, we never, I mean, in the coronavirus, we never see such high transmissibility.
And also we see people died, and we see so many outcomes come out.
All together, I mean, I can tell you that this is definitely not a good virus they made.
That is not vaccine.
Right.
The coronavirus family's been around since the beginning of time, so we have a lot of history with the coronavirus family.
And this was so different in that it was highly transmissible, but the way people got sick and died was very, very different.
SARS-1 also has high mortality, but SARS-1 has not that high transmissibility.
And this virus, actually later you can see more functions than SARS-1 were recruited.
What does that mean?
Oh, so that means now we can see, based on many, many data, that we know this blood clot,
thrombosis, these kind of things happen in a high percentage, and the people even recovered from
COVID-19.
And we see people have done experiments which clearly show that just this S-protein, it can directly damage the vessel.
Yeah, so I don't know if you remember, when you had coronavirus and COVID and you had double pneumonia, they were also worried about blood clots.
Yes, so this can create a lot of other diseases.
Yeah, to make it even worse.
So you were, before you left now, you had pretty much assured yourself that this was done for a military purpose.
Now what about the leak?
What was your theory of how it got out?
Okay, so actually I work in the higher level of biosafety lab, that is the top lab belong to WHO reference lab.
So I know that we have very good protocols, and I know the China CDC's head, I know these people, they also have their established protocols.
If you are talking about like one animal in the experiment jump out of the lab, never happened in this level of labs.
And even if it happens, like for example, I spill over a little bit when I was working, I will be contained, and then I will get treated or something, surveillance.
So this kind of outbreak, this scale of the big outbreak cannot, because of some lab leak, And also, you see, China government, just using common sense, we will understand.
China government, why do they use the national power and international power to make up lies?
Yeah, massive cover-up.
So you don't even believe it was leaked.
Some people believe it was leaked and then there was a cover-up.
You don't even believe it was leaked.
You believe it was put out into the community.
For what purpose?
To see how it would Yes, because all the lab leak evidence I also examined, I mean they also have their problems, which you cannot use that to prove it's a lab accident.
And most of this evidence provided by the people who don't really have such experience in such labs.
So again, you asked a question, doctor.
It is a little, why did they, what was, if they put it out, what was the purpose of putting it out?
Oh, actually, based on the PLA, the army's one textbook, which is written by the general, by a weapon expert.
So there's actually a textbook out there.
Yeah.
In 2015, now it's already, I mean, I sent the copy to many departments.
What does it say?
So yeah, so that is talking about how to use coronavirus can be the next generation of the non-traditional bioweapon.
But that doesn't really answer the question.
Like I do believe that it was purposely done probably for a bioweapon, but why?
Is this how they would do it, by doing it to their own people first?
Yeah, the thing is actually also in the bioweapon textbook, they mentioned that when you need
to develop this virus, and sometimes you want it to say the optimal result.
To do the experiment.
Okay, this is your theory.
stay in the environment, how it targets the population. So, you know, for this purpose,
I mean, in the lab, you can never have the optimal situation to test the virus. So this
data can release it to the environment. So now... So they released it to the environment in China?
To do the experiment. Okay. This is your theory, to do the experiment.
Why did they then close down travel in China, but allow Chinese people to travel all over the world?
That is because they ignore the high transmissibility and then later become the outbreak.
So once they realize that, people know that, and then they realize they really cannot control it.
They have to think about their own safety, because Beijing is not that far away from Wuhan.
And when they, this kind of high-level officers, CCP officers... Why would they, why would they transmit it to the rest of the world?
Oh, because this is a bioweapon, and this bioweapon, according to their concept, they said, we should prepare it can be used at any time, even the peaceful time.
So that means it's the time they can use it, take the advantage.
Do you think they realized how lethal it was?
That it would have, I mean, millions of people died.
Do you think they realized that?
They know people will die.
But I know they knew people would die, but did they realize that it would be that big?
I don't think they care about how many people die, because people always miss the things they think about.
The thing is, they also talk about this, not only to make people die, but the thing is, so this fire weapon can be just maintain less than 2% mortality, but the thing is, it can ruin the medical facilities, can ruin economic, ruin social order.
Do you think that part of, I mean, at the time that it happened to the United States, Yeah.
We were going through a period of great economic success and growth.
Yes.
Also, people were beginning to question for the first time whether China could really catch the United States.
Because the United States was doing so well.
Yes.
Could that be part of the...
I think that could be part of this motive.
I mean, although we always need to ask them, right?
Like, as a killer.
But basically, your... This is a strange question.
We only have about a minute more.
How convinced are you that it was put out for a deliberate purpose to do harm to other countries, including the United States?
No, at that time, 19th January, I cannot say it will harm the world.
I want to call for the international pressure.
She knew that, you knew that immediately.
Yeah, I want to call for international pressure to give China government to hold this outbreak as soon as possible.
But I didn't know it would just take the advantage and lock, because you know we have things wrong, and so we just clean our city, but then deliver it to all over the world.
That is beyond my expectation.
This is quite a charge you're making against China.
Do you realize how dangerous that is?
When I see what happens... Do you realize how much danger you're in?
I realize because I work in China as a doctor.
Intern studies here.
I know this system.
So in China, in those hospitals, if doctors are so nervous, and if government puts so much pressure to hold the things, and so all the lies come out, even punish the doctors, that means something very big happened.
Wow.
Well, we are so impressed that you brought this out to the world.
You put your safety on the back burner to let everybody know that this is really dangerous.
Unfortunately, through some censorship in the United States, voices got squashed, but you are a real hero.
I think the good thing, if anything good, I think That's beginning to change.
I think with the discovery of the people that were sick back in November.
In the lab.
In the lab.
The discovery that people were bitten.
They have footage of people bitten in the lab.
That could be propaganda too though, right?
Oh, you mean they're saying that they were bit in the lab by the bats?
No, I think that is something else, but it's not related to this one.
At least it gives people... And then the excellent article by Mr. Wade, Nicholas Wade, where he takes it on almost like a lawyer, and he looks at all the possibilities.
He doesn't come to the absolute conclusion.
I think scientifically we know it was manipulated.
in the lab for deliberate purposes, but he leads you to come to that conclusion pretty strongly.
And we know that that's the conclusion you can't get.
I think scientifically, we know it was manipulated.
What we don't really know was, did they mean to infect the whole world?
Well, we're going to continue to discuss this and go into even more detail in later episodes.
But I think this was a good... Well, thank you very much.
You are so brave.
I think this was an excellent, excellent presentation.
My admiration for you and Dr. Ryan's admiration for you is so, so high.
We were the first ones to interview her in the United States.
And Dr. Ryan has the honor of having the first interview with you.
And we're still very proud of that.
And we're very proud of you and anything we can do to help you and keep you safe.
Thank you, sir.
It's our obligation, because this was a terrible thing that was done to the world.
I'm so happy I can get your help, and actually you both are the first ones telling the U.S.
people this is my weapon.
Well, you will have our help forever, because this can never happen again, and the only way we can make sure it doesn't happen again is to get to the bottom of it, and you've been the biggest force for that.
Exactly.
We have to push it to truth, sir.
Thank you.
So I hope you paid attention to this interview.
This is a startling interview.
And Dr. Yen was right there at the time.
There's no reason that she wouldn't have had the best observations about this and the most sense about it.
And of course, to come to these conclusions puts her life at risk.
So it's not something you do lightly.
And everything she said, although when she originally came here, she was ridiculed horribly.
As, by the way, with Dr. Ryan and And some of the others, Laura Ingram, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Dr. Navarro, all of them, and to some extent me.
We were dismissed as conspiracy theorists, nuts, crazy.
In any event, it now turns out that we were correct.
This was done in the laboratory.
There's no No doubt, after you read this, and then there's certainly no doubt after you listen to Dr. Yin.
And there is still a question of exactly why and how, but there is no question that China knew about it, let people go around the world, and that led to the death of many, many other people.
I consider the people that China sent around the world to be agents of death.
It was like sending out Poison gas.
Because they knew, China knew from the very beginning how this could be transmitted.
Yeah, but the people don't know that.
They are victims.
The people didn't know it and probably wouldn't have done it if they knew it.
But China knew it.
The Chinese Communist Party knew it.
Let's be clear, we're not talking at all about China.
Sometimes we've said China That's only for ease of conversation.
We're talking about the Chinese Communist Party.
Chinese people wouldn't do this.
The evil Chinese Communist Party will do it.
And remember, the biggest victims of the Chinese Communist Party are the Chinese people.
So thank you very much for listening.
We will be back with other episodes because we're going to really get to the bottom of this.
This affects our future.
Oh my goodness, in very, very important ways.
And we unfortunately have a president who seems to be blind to all this, or maybe has been compromised so much, he has to be blind to it.
So we're going to have to dig into this very deeply.
Well, again, thank you very much, Dr. Yan.
Thank you.
We appreciate your bravery and your, appreciate your brain and your brilliance.
And Dr. Ryan, I appreciate your bravery in doing this.
You took a lot of abuse for doing it.
And it's amazing because I know from talking to you back in December and January that you predicted all this.
So you must feel a certain sense of satisfaction.
Well, in some ways, yes.
And in some ways, I wish that we could have warned people more.
Of course we do.
But we couldn't do that.
We tried.
We tried and we couldn't do that.
But now we can get to the bottom of it.
It doesn't happen again.
So thank you very much.
You're both heroes.
Thank you, sir.
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