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ROUND 1, 2020 Debate: America’s Future? | Rudy Giuliani’s Common Sense | Ep. 72
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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani, and I'm back with Rudy Giuliani's Common Sense.
And today, we have a little something different.
We have a discussion between a Democrat and a Republican.
This is not a boxing match.
And they're very, very civil people, thank God, I've already talked to them.
And we're going to discuss the issues right now, as it stands, sort of with five weeks or so to go.
And I have Tony Carbonetti.
Tony was chief of staff to a mayor.
Of New York City.
Long time ago, it seems.
Very excellent mayor, though.
We should have that guy back.
But beyond that, Tony is in business now, and Tony is, in my view, one of the best political minds anywhere.
Thank you.
And I have Sky Ostraika, who is a Democrat, but is married to a Trump supporter.
She should be settling peace problems all over the world.
It's all about compromise.
Compromise.
Skye was an executive director at the Nicholas Lentz firm, and she worked on the Bloomberg campaign, which had her with the other really great mayor of New York.
So there you go.
Not quite what it is today.
Great to be here, Mayor.
Right.
I tried to invite someone who would say anything good about Bill de Blasio, and no one would come, including his family.
Chirlane wouldn't come?
Nobody would come.
I invite people onto my show.
I will give them two minutes, any time, to say something good about him.
I will not interrupt.
I haven't got anybody yet.
He is a source of bipartisan agreement.
Yes.
It's the only one.
He brings people together.
So, I thought we'd start this way.
Campaigns get decided by a lot of things.
Probably the only thing we ever understand are issues.
I guess personalities do.
So I'd like each of you, just to start off with, to tell me, and then we'll discuss it, what you think is the most important issue, Sky, and then what you think is the most important issue.
And we'll discuss where the two candidates are on it.
I do think that this Supreme Court justice issue will be something that goes into voters' minds to decide who they're going to vote for.
But as a Manhattan resident, I see crime, and I think of safety and security, and I see it in our city, and I see it on the news in all the other major cities having these issues.
So that's top of mind for me.
So the others would be—well, you tell me what you think, Tony.
Either right now or by the time they get to the end.
People always vote their own personal circumstances.
If we were having this conversation in January, I think we would have all agreed Trump had the economy humming, things were going well, how are you going to beat this guy?
Now, you know, there's, I keep saying there's seven states that he needs to win.
It's Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
If he gets those seven states, he's at 272 electoral votes.
Just barely over the hump.
You can lose Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Maine too, if you win those seven states.
The problem I have with those seven states now is because of COVID, there's nine and a half million unemployed people.
And the fact that people vote their own circumstances, you have to convince those people that the economy is going to come back.
They're going to get their jobs back.
So I think jobs and the economy are going to be the number one.
You think, as we sit here in late September, fairly late September, before the first debate, you think that's the main issue right now on people's minds?
Or you think that's going to be the main issue?
I think at the end of the day, when you go into that ballot box, that's always your issue.
And I think that's why Trump is out doing these rallies, because, as you've said so many times before, you have to be the cheerleader.
You have to tell people, it might not be great right now, but remember, we were there before this happened, and we can get there again.
OK?
If I give you no hope, why are you voting for me?
So you would say the economy, and you would say public safety.
Well, now I think the economy, too.
It's true.
All these are issues, right?
It's public safety.
It's your own personal situation.
It's an economic situation, of course.
It might have changed where you live.
For example, I live in New York also, obviously, and probably it's true that crime is the number one, public safety in general is the number one issue because there's been such a dramatic change.
Maybe if I lived in Minnesota it would be because I would see what happened to my favorite city, Minneapolis, right?
But if you live in places unaffected by it, maybe then it changes.
Might have something with local circumstances, too.
Yeah.
The crime issue, but that doesn't change the unemployment issue.
Right.
You know, I have traveled a little during this, and you go into an airport, and the Hudson News and the bagel guy are the only guys open.
You walk by stores that are just empty.
Those are people.
Those are jobs.
Yep, yep, yep.
The airline industry.
Those are jobs.
People want to go to work.
They don't want to sit home and wait for the government to send them a check.
How is the Biden campaign going?
How do you feel?
Do you feel it's been successful?
That it's been successful to get across what they want to get across?
Well, I feel that people want to be inspired by a candidate.
You want to hear them talk.
You want to hear what they have to say.
You want to get a sense of their personality.
And with our current president, we've seen a lot of that.
And sitting home with my Republican So I haven't seen a lot of Biden speaking, and I would like to see more of that.
And I think a lot of people are saying he may win the first debate, because that oftentimes happens.
So we'll see what he has to say.
Well, the advantage he has on the — he has two advantages on the first debate.
Almost always the challenge against an incumbent wins, because the president is rusty.
And the challenge of just being able to stand up with the president and not making a mistake
gets him to win.
On the other hand, Trump is not—I mean, Trump has just—Trump never stopped campaigning,
I guess is the way to put it.
And I think these rallies are done and all that questioning he goes through to prepare so he's not rusty.
But expectation may have something to do with it.
I mean, basically, Trump has made it clear that he believes that Biden is mentally defective.
Is that a good idea?
Well, he's hiding in a basement.
At least before the debate.
So, before the debate, no.
You always want to say, I'm fighting the toughest guy in the whole world.
Gosh, I thought you were going to remember a chapter.
Okay.
Under promise and over deliver.
Well, that's the same thing.
You want to say, he's great.
If I can hold my own, I'll be okay.
He did that with Hillary.
Okay.
He did that with Hillary.
He did that with Hillary.
And of course, that was plausible with Hillary because She was never known as a great debater, but she was never known as a poor debater either.
I mean, I think they're lowering the bar too much for Biden.
I think as long as he doesn't, you know, just trip over himself, they're going to say he had a great debate.
Right.
And that's not the case, because he has not been out there answering questions.
He has not been out there talking to people like the president has.
And I think the one thing that you should instill in the president is, when was the last time he answered a question in less than two minutes?
I remember getting him to do that last time.
That's why presidents lose, because they've got to discipline themselves.
Go back and look at the last three debates that he had with Hillary, and you'll see he was remarkably disciplined.
Yeah, because at that point he's in fighting shape.
Since he became president, no one interrupts you anymore.
The thing about Donald Trump is he knows how to perform.
It's a different Donald Trump when he's giving remarks in the White House.
than the Donald Trump who gives remarks in front of, you know, 10,000 people, which almost resembles a stand-up comedy act.
Right.
I've told him he should, once he finishes being president, hopefully in four years, he should do that once a week.
I mean, it's one of the best entertainments on television.
Yeah, it is.
It is entertaining.
Including the imitations.
Give him that.
So let's say Biden wins the first debate.
I don't say that he is.
I probably think because I've seen him perform in three debates, I think he's going to win.
Because he doesn't lose.
I mean, he finds a way to win.
He'll do something and if it's not going well, he'll know it and he'll find a way to win.
But let's say he does lose, which is the historical pattern.
He continues the stay home and hide strategy, I guess.
No, I think he'll want to come out.
He'll feel on a high horse having won and he'll feel more confident and maybe we will hear more from him.
Now we'll take a short break.
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This is probably not a question but an opinion.
His mistakes are not the ordinary mistakes.
If you look at Biden five years ago and you look at Biden today, which I did on one of
my podcast. It's a different man.
I mean, he talked quickly.
He was very glib.
Personally, my opinion, I've always thought he was dumb.
But now, I mean, the most recent one is he couldn't remember the Pledge of Allegiance.
There's an issue.
There's something wrong with him, I think.
Now, does he get away with it?
Or does he have to take a test?
He gets away with it.
But if you want to do the drug test, has that ever been done before?
No, it's never been done before.
And I'm not even thinking of a drug test.
I'm thinking of one of those tests to determine if he has dementia.
A cognitive test?
Sure.
He's gotten the preamble of the Constitution wrong about four weeks ago.
You know, we the people in order to form... Oh, that thing, that thing.
Then he began the Pledge of Allegiance.
You know, I pledge allegiance to the United States.
Left out the flag and then forgot the rest of it.
That's pretty serious stuff.
I'm in Vermont, but I think I'm in New Hampshire.
That can happen to anybody when you're campaigning like that.
In fact, Trump may be the only one it hasn't happened to, and it will one of these days.
You better watch out.
Sure. But is that going to be that? I guess that's not an issue, right?
No. Do we really want to focus on that?
It's like the minutia.
If someone misspeaks, I'm sure you've misspoken and certainly our president has misspoken.
There's a difference between misspeaking though and not remembering.
We all have so many issues in our minds, maybe statistics or whatever, and everyone misspeaks.
He's having, you're right, real issues that would worry people.
I mean, I could absolutely see it being worrisome.
Dementia is a disease that gets worse and never gets better.
You can hold it off, you can't stop it.
He's 77.
Has he released medical records?
Well, the president has that two-page that says he's the healthiest person in America.
Right.
Healthiest.
We need Howard Cosell.
Oh, by the way, he looks like he is.
Remember when Howard Cosell told Muhammad Ali that he's not the same before he fought Foreman?
Yeah.
You're not the same guy you were five years ago?
Yeah, I remember.
Remember that?
That's what we need.
So what do you think What do you think the ultimate result is going to be?
Who's going to win?
Yeah, who's going to win?
Because I'm going to have you back in a few weeks and we'll see where it stands then.
I'm going to ask it two ways.
Who would win if the election were held right now?
And who do you think is going to win in November?
It's really hard to say.
I don't know.
Is it different?
Would the answer be different now and, what is it, five weeks from now?
Yeah, the answer will be different, because we'll see.
We're going to see some debates.
So if we're happening right now, what's your instinct tell you about the mood of the country?
Now, granted, we're mostly in New York, but from television, you get a sense of the mood.
I mean, from watching the Trump rallies, I would say Trump's going to win.
But seeing my own social media feed as the fashionable Democrat, I have a lot of Democratic followers and people I engage with, and I see that the time seems ripe that people are looking for a Democratic alternative, especially There's a big chunk of progressives here in the city.
So we see a lot of that here, but I don't see a lot of it on Long Island, for example, where I'm from.
There aren't as much progressives.
Everyone's pretty moderate.
Have the Democrats gone too far to the left?
A lot of them have.
Have they allowed themselves to be defined too far to the left?
A lot of them have.
Not all of them, but a lot of them certainly have.
What happens to a regular, to a more What do they do?
I mean, people are still registered as a Democrat.
Take myself.
I'm not a progressive and I'm not a liberal, super to the left, but I see myself as a moderate and I try to come to bipartisan conclusions and compromise.
And I see certain issues on the right side of the aisle and some on the left.
So I'll vote for Biden because one of the issues that sticks out in my mind as a woman is this Supreme Court justice issue and a woman's right to choose.
And I think if that's going to be jeopardized, then I'll vote on that one issue.
As we sit here today, it looks like they have the votes to get it done with Romney saying yes.
And Cory Gardner saying yes.
There'll be two, Murkowski and Collins.
They actually now have modified a little and they say, they now say they think they're going to vote no.
Originally they said they were going to vote no.
So just my feeling is unless something goes wrong with the candidate, the candidate, he'll do it before, he'll do it before election day.
It's his job.
So does it help him?
I think it helps him because he's able to say, I'm doing the job I was elected to do.
I think it helps him.
But he does do what Sky says.
He reminds women in the suburbs, where he's got to pick up some votes,
that he's pro-life.
They would regard that as anti-choice.
Again, Roe v. Wade, if it gets overturned, it just goes back to the states.
I agree with you.
Legally, you're absolutely right.
It isn't as big a change as people think it is.
If Roe against Wade is out, then abortion is still legal in New York.
Correct.
But politically, it doesn't play out that way.
It's an emotional issue on either side.
As we learned, I tried very often to describe my complex position on it.
And it just becomes, you know, one or the other.
You're either pro-choice or you're pro-life.
I have young daughters and having this conversation with them, they didn't understand that as well.
They thought if Roe v. Wade was overturned, abortion becomes illegal.
And I said, no, it just goes to the states.
And then they had a problem with, well, in Alabama, I said, but why do you care if the people of Alabama want to vote to outlaw it?
Shouldn't that be their right?
I mean, that's exactly right.
So I can't tell them how to live.
Would you disagree with that, Scott?
That it's a fundamental right that Alabama Yes, I care about my sisters in Alabama.
I want them to have access to abortion, and I want it to be safe and legal for them.
So that's really, I mean, that's really the issue is, is it a fundamental right?
Like, for example, Alabama can't pass a law to take away your right to free speech.
Correct.
So if this is, and Roe against Wade made it a fundamental right and wrote it in, sort of wrote it into the Constitution.
The question is, would the new justice, I mean, there are at least three that I can think of.
Thomas... I guess the two new justices were not absolutely certain what they would do.
Right.
There were at least three votes against.
I don't think anyone's going to touch it.
I don't think they'll touch it.
Before the election, they're not going to.
No, no.
But even afterwards, I think everyone's going to say, we've been living with it for the last 60, 50 plus years.
Even if they put a very religious Catholic I think it'll change the votes that come about timing, not about the actual action of abortion.
There'll be, you know, trimester, you know, those votes will change, but no one's going to overturn Roe v. Wade, I don't believe.
Although he's going to lose women who are pro-choice because he's going to highlight it.
You think he gains for being a guy who keeps his word.
Yes.
And it excites his base.
Yes.
And I think he may lose the popular vote by more than he did last time.
Which is three million.
Okay.
But it's all New York.
That's a big number.
It's all New York and California.
It's two states.
That's one of the things that's very, very strange because... It's two states.
I think someone told me If you actually just take New York City out.
I think New York City was a million and a half.
Okay.
New York State and California.
If you take those out.
Well then he wins.
Yes.
Right.
Okay.
So three weeks ago I thought he was in a lot of trouble.
I think he's gained a lot of momentum.
I remember you called him.
Yeah.
I think the rallies are good for him.
I think exciting his base is good for him.
And I think no matter what he does New York and California is going to hate him.
You get the tweets.
There's nothing you can do about it.
But back to your initial question.
They love to hate him.
I think if he chooses a pro-life Supreme Court justice, then he'll lose a lot of votes from women.
He'll lose New York and California by more.
Right.
So what?
Then will he still win, you're saying?
Yeah.
Because you can only lose New York and California by, it doesn't matter how many votes they get.
If he wins the seven states I'm talking about, and he's going to... Well, that's certainly his calculation, I'm sure.
Yeah.
I mean, no matter how much this is a constitutional duty, and ultimately when you're running for office, as we know, it's a little too close right now not to make a political calculation.
So the White House must have calculated, right or wrong, that this is going to excite their base.
Yeah.
And I happen to think one of the reasons for that is the last two times this issue came up, it helped Republicans.
Like when they went after Kavanaugh too heavily, a lot of people feel that the Democrats lost the Senate.
They're on their way to winning the Senate and they can point to four seats that were heavily affected by that.
But that was a situation where they went in.
It wasn't so much the issue, people got disgusted with how personal it got.
Sure.
I don't think that'll happen here.
It would be stupid for it to happen here.
That was nuts, the whole Kavanaugh thing.
No, I mean, if I were a Democrat, even though I was opposed to it, I'd just let them go through and then argue it to the electorate.
Right.
Like you're saying.
Right.
Try to turn off the women.
So the question is, is she qualified?
The answer's yes.
Oh, my God.
I mean, Barrett?
Yes.
Amy Cohn and Barrett, they are.
I mean, she's super qualified.
So, and she passed the Senate already.
Just like Ginsburg was.
Right.
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You hear Lindsey Graham saying this, about the only one who ever says it, but it's been my position forever.
It used to be everybody's position.
The president gets his or her choices, unless the person's unqualified.
Or totally nuts.
Right.
So the standard for a justice is not, do I agree with their political philosophy?
The standard is, is this a capable justice?
For that reason, I supported Ginsburg when she was nominated.
And Lindsey voted for Kagan and Sotomayor.
And I supported both of them.
Everyone's threshold of nuts is a little different.
Right.
So if Biden were to be elected and he put a AOC.
Well, I might say no to that because I think she's ignorant.
But, no, I think she doesn't have a brain.
Is she on his list?
Is she on his list?
I don't think she'd pass a bar exam.
Don't have to be a lawyer.
I know, I know, but it's not going to happen.
You're not going to put a non-lawyer on, nowadays.
I want to hear him say she's not qualified.
He won't say it.
Of course not.
So now, how do you deal with that?
You do have, in the Democrat Party, you have You got a couple of, I mean, they almost seem like they're communists.
I mean, I work on the local level.
Anti-Israel, horrible things about Israel.
How do you deal with that?
So locally, I'm involved in the Lexington Democratic Club.
And we have a whole bunch of different types of members.
So tell us what the Lexington Democratic Club is.
It's in Manhattan.
It's most of Midtown Manhattan.
It's the largest political club in the city.
And we're in Midtown Manhattan.
It's the 73rd Assembly District.
Dan Cort is in charge of the club.
And Carolyn Maloney are some of the leaders of the club.
But most of our members are a few a little older.
And some of the new members are coming in.
But you are seeing a lot of younger people.
I'm a millennial.
It's my generation and the generation after me.
Could you define that?
Millennial?
What's a millennial?
I always get confused.
Well, you're born between 1980 and 2000.
So I'm a dinosaur.
What are you?
I'm a pre-dinosaur.
No, I'm a post-dinosaur.
But the next group right after the dinosaurs?
Yes.
Right.
So the Millennials and the Gen Zs, which is the next generation.
Oh yeah, the Gen Zs.
There are a lot of progressives you're seeing.
So in the club, we haven't been very active on the ground, but we stay active virtually.
And that's very different.
So now are most of them You see a little bit of everything, right?
Not just in my political club, but on the internet and with my colleagues.
In Manhattan.
or are most of them more grounded Democrats?
You see a little bit of everything, right?
Not just in my political club, but on the internet and with my colleagues.
Well, on the internet, I mean, you've got a bunch of whack jobs, too.
I know.
There's a whole— On all sides.
I actually have a good question that's going to be relevant.
Has the Board of Elections actually figured out... You're the one that hasn't been asking relevant questions.
No, no, no.
It could well be coming up soon.
Has the Board of Elections actually figured out if Carolyn Maloney won yet?
Aww, I know.
The President gave her a hard time.
Of course she won.
No, no, but they took forever.
I don't mind her winning.
I prefer her.
I'm just saying... You said, did she really win?
No, the count.
I mean, this is going to take forever.
Well, why?
I counted about 10 votes.
It's a little district.
It's hard with these absentee ballots, right?
And everyone from the district moved out of the district for the election.
So I got to get you to make just a choice because we're going to have you back and you're going to do it again.
And then after it's over, I'll give somebody Trump.
If Trump wins, I'll give you a Trumpy bear.
And if Biden wins, I'll give you a Biden bear.
He wins with under 300 electoral votes and loses the popular vote.
What did he win last time?
303?
Yes.
Michigan.
No.
Needs to hold what he had.
He's going to win by less than he won last year.
And why?
What state do you see him turning on?
Michigan.
You don't see him picking up any that would make up for that?
No.
Needs to hold what he had.
I think he's going to lose Michigan.
Possibly, I mean Iowa's in play.
But I don't see him winning the Rust Belt the same way he did last time.
When Ohio?
When Ohio wins Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania?
I believe he's much stronger in Pennsylvania than people believe.
They think that's a tough state because he's the first Republican to win it in a long, long time.
But it's basically a gun, coal, steel.
They're still bitter about the Democrats' trade deals.
And they were all Democrats at one time.
And then, believe it or not, Outside of Philadelphia, it's a pro-life state.
That's what I was going to say.
Very religious state.
Pro-life Democrats.
It's the only place in the whole country where you elect a pro-life Democrat.
So that Supreme Court seat might help him there.
It will help.
The Supreme Court seat will drive up his turnout by 10%.
about 10% drive up his turnout by 10%.
So now what, so you say Trump loses the popular, wins the electoral, but by a narrower margin.
Correct.
That's your opinion right now?
That's my opinion right now.
Write that down.
Christiani, write that down.
We got him on record for that.
I don't know, you guys should put up something, too.
I'm going to give you a beautiful Trumpy bear.
I'll give you the sleepy Joe.
It's a nice bear.
It's a respectful bear.
So now, what do you think?
Well, I'll say Biden wins, but as far as which state and the minutia and You think he wins close?
If he wins, he wins close?
Okay, now, do you know you just told me we're not going to have a result on election day if either one of them wins close?
I think that's right, and that's why I brought up the Carolyn Maloney issue.
In fact, how are we even going to know that somebody won close?
I mean, the state would have to be almost beyond the realistic number of votes That could be in the mail, right?
You'd have to win by maybe 10%.
Not gonna be too many 10% states, except maybe the South for Trump and the coast for him.
You could put those aside.
But, I mean, even Texas might be within 10 points.
And they'll be counting absentee ballots by hand for... Till Christmas.
Yeah.
And they'll be cheating.
I mean, you've seen those rooms.
Oh, I know they cheat.
Okay.
Florida is the easiest one to pick out.
And in this election, they may do it anyway.
Florida reports very quickly if it's a 5% or more election.
Right.
If it's not a 5% or more election, for some reason, the votes in Broward and in Palm Beach County take two weeks to count.
Take a long time.
Because they feel within 2% they can steal the election.
You go beyond 2%, you're taking too much of a risk.
And last time, after it was over, they found a whole bunch of ballots in a truck somewhere in Jacksonville.
Well, now you're going to send out ballots to... So, if you have a nursing home with 500 residents, there's one mailroom.
Does that mailroom get 500 ballots?
As opposed to what?
I mean, if they're collecting the mail for everyone in the nursing home.
So should those votes have been counted?
Should those votes be counted before Election Day?
Then it's going to leak out.
Results will leak out.
How do they typically do it?
They wait until Election Day.
There were no mail-in ballots before this.
There were absentee ballots.
I mean, I've voted absentee a lot because I travel.
And an absentee ballot, you have to request it.
So if I believe I'm going to be away on Election Day, I request it, I get it, I sign it, I seal it, I sign it on the outside, seal it again so you know it's my vote but you don't know who I voted for, and then it gets counted after the election.
So what they're supposed to do is... I have up until when?
The day of the election?
Some states are postmarked by election day and some have to arrive by election day.
That's New York.
So here, what they would do then is, your ballot would come in, there'd be a Republican and a Democratic lawyer there.
And explain what they do.
It's really out of focus.
They would say, okay, Rudolph W. Giuliani, they'd give you your address.
Slightest little mistake.
Well, the Republican would say, I have no objection, because they would check to see you're a Republican.
The Democrat would say, I want to see if he voted on election day.
Then they would check the roll, to see if you voted on election day.
If you did not vote, they slice it open.
That's where the other ballot is, which doesn't have your name on it, and it goes into the pile to be counted at some point.
Then they go to the next one, and they do that process.
That's why it takes so long, because in a close one, the Republicans and the Democrats are going to be objecting, like you remember 20 years ago with the chads.
Well, then when they open up the other envelope, it's where did you mark it?
Did you mark it properly?
That's in the other envelope, and that's where they start debating The X is here.
Okay, so Trump and Biden, and therefore you're also telling me it's going to be a protracted, we're not going to have a winner until at least December.
Correct.
And it's going to go to court.
When's the Electoral College?
Is the second week of December?
Yeah, yeah, like 13th or so.
Right, so they have to have it together by then, you would hope.
And if they don't, if they don't, it goes to the House of Representatives.
And it goes to the House of Representatives for the new Congress.
Correct.
Right now, if it went to the House of Representatives, the Republicans have a three-vote edge because you vote by delegation.
Now, the Republicans have to move those delegations.
Can the electors delay?
No.
The electors have to have a candidate that day.
If they don't have a candidate that day, boom, it goes right to the House of Representatives.
Right.
And then the new Congress gets to select.
Not the old.
So the old Congress right now, I believe there's a three or four vote.
You vote by delegation.
So this one becomes really interesting.
Little New Hampshire or Vermont has the same vote as big California.
You need 26 states.
And right now, Republicans have something like 28 and 29.
By the way, they can pick anyone, right?
They're not limited to the two candidates.
Oh we're getting into really great America.
You can pick me or you.
Or you.
Right.
All of a sudden you get a call.
Tony.
Last question.
What's going to happen to the black vote?
He is making the strongest appeal for the black vote that any Republicans have ever made.
Republicans have made it in appeals before.
I'm not saying they haven't.
It isn't the same.
He's really investing money in advertising.
So how realistic is that for him to get 5% last time?
I think he does better.
I think if he continues doing what he's doing now with the going out and telling people, I've done it before, reminding them what January was like, he will do better in both black and Hispanic votes.
He is doing better in Hispanic votes.
Yes.
I mean, that's almost, um, I mean, but he's got to remind, he's got to remind them what January was like.
Because things were good.
If we were having this conversation, everyone would say, it's right in his sweet spot.
The country's humming along.
So, what do you think?
Does Biden take the black vote to the extent Hillary did, for example?
Does he get the same margin that Hillary did, which was down a little, down a lot from Obama.
You can't expect anybody to get Obama's vote.
But does he get at least a Hillary vote?
Or does it come down a little?
I hope it's stronger.
But what do you think?
But we'll see.
You're right.
People have to recall what the world was like before the virus, life before the virus.
And a lot of people have forgotten.
So on the economy, the real issue is Biden has to be saying, look at the terrible economy he's given us.
And he's got to be saying, look at the great economy I gave you.
Look what the pandemic did to it.
Look how fast I've brought it back.
Right.
And who do you think is better suited to bring it back the rest of the way?
Right.
Very interesting.
That's where we are.
And you think that'll decide the election more than anything else?
100%.
There's still too many unemployed people sitting at home knowing they could be working.
Right.
They were working, you know, and they want to work.
Well, we're going to get you back and we're going to see because Who would have guessed?
If I had you on two weeks ago, nobody would have mentioned the Supreme Court.
Right.
Right.
Who knows what the next crazy issue will be?
There will be one.
Yep, there will.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for having me.
Tony, they were terrific.
They didn't get nasty.
They didn't call names.
Now they will, once they're off camera.
Thank you very much, and we'll be back with you shortly.
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