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CIA Memo PROVES CLINTON Manufactured Frameup | Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani | Ep. 76
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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani with Rudy Giuliani's Common Sense, and today we're going to be speaking with Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House and probably, I'd say, one of the men who's the most knowledgeable about American politics.
That we have.
And it's a heck of a time to talk to him.
We're right in the middle of the campaign.
We just finished the debate between the vice presidential candidates, and we have this big controversy about the next debate.
So let's get right to it.
Newt, how are you doing?
I'm doing great, and it's always great to be with you.
You're my role model for dealing with crime around the country.
Thank you.
It's amazing the job you did as mayor.
How remarkable.
What a great leader you are.
Well, I think about what you accomplished in overturning the Clinton administration two years into it and establishing a Republican House for the first time in about 2,000 years.
It seemed like.
And we've kept some good control of it.
I mean, back and forth.
And hopefully we can do it again.
So just tell me, everybody is going to be very interested in just your analysis of the state of the race.
Here we are a day after the vice presidential debate and approximately a week before the presidential debate, if it takes place.
So how do you see things?
Well, I would say, first of all, I thought that Vice President Pence did an amazingly good job.
Uh, he was disciplined, effective, knowledgeable.
I thought, uh, his ability to cite to, uh, Kamala Harris, her record, uh, as attorney general, her position on the issues.
I thought he was really well prepared.
And I thought by contrast that, uh, she, she turns a lot of people off.
I had a friend of mine from the Midwest say, this is exactly the kind of San Francisco radical Who most of us respond very negatively to.
So I thought it was a big win for the Trump-Pence ticket.
And I thought it told you in part why the debate commission would announce this morning that they were going to go to a virtual debate, because I think they were deliberately trying to cut off the coverage of the scale of her embarrassment and the degree to which Pence had won that debate.
I think the president is right not to Go to a virtual debate, which they would control.
And you know that they would manipulate it against him.
I hope he'll find a common ground where he and Biden could debate whether in a studio like Kennedy and Nixon.
Remember, Kennedy and Nixon didn't have an audience.
Right.
They were just in a TV studio.
So there are ways to do it.
But I think he's absolutely right.
I have a newsletter coming out calling for abolishing The Presidential Debate Commission because it is, it's really the old establishment.
The average age is 73.
The director has been there since 1987.
Most of the Republicans on the list are anti-Trump.
So I just think it's not an institute.
It is the deep state.
It's not an institution we need to worry about.
In terms of the election itself, and I still remember fondly Doing a fundraiser with you in 93.
You and I have been at this business a long time.
A long time, yes.
I would say that the polls right now are about exactly in 2016.
If you remember, if you go back there, it looked very much at this point in October like it did now.
That is, Huge margin.
I think Hillary was ahead by double digits in three out of every five polls.
We were about four days after the Billy Bush revelations.
Four or five days after, and we were counted out, pretty much.
Yeah, I think.
In fact, I did this very funny show with Megyn Kelly, where she said, now the polls show Trump losing Pennsylvania.
I said, well, in your universe, he does.
But in my universe, he carries it.
And we went through Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.
And you could watch her each time.
She would get more and more frustrated because the party line was, this was over.
And I kept saying to her, actually, I think Trump's going to win.
So I'm going to go out on the same limb again.
My guess is because elections are about who cares enough to actually show up and vote.
And my guess is when this is all over, which will probably be five or six days after the election, that Trump will be reelected as president.
And you think it's the enthusiasm for him and the sort of negative voting that's going on with Biden, which is there's no enthusiasm for Biden at all.
Their enthusiasm is anger and hatred at Trump.
And I think that works if you're a white liberal, but I don't think that works if you're African-American or Hispanic.
And that's why I was startled.
You may have seen this.
There's a Zogby poll that came out about four days ago that showed them tied.
And this is in the middle of all these NBC polls and what have you.
But the reason Zogby showed him tied is he showed Trump had 37 percent approval among African-Americans and 37 percent approval among Latinos.
Wow.
And I was told by one pollster that the largest Suppressed vote in the country is young black males who know they can't go around their neighborhood saying they're for Trump, but they're for Trump.
And so the other thing that does, and you know this from New York politics, if the Democrats can't whip up enough fear in the black community to get them to turn out as a matter of defense, and if they're not afraid of Trump, the total turnout will be dramatically lower.
That's really what cost Hillary a number of states.
Right.
Because she couldn't get Detroit or Milwaukee or Philadelphia to vote in the kind of numbers that Obama could.
Well, I don't think Biden can either, frankly.
So I think that they will have a substantially lower vote.
And of that lower vote, I think Trump will actually do significantly better than people expect.
And what's the issue that you think will drive it at the end?
Or will it be a combination of a couple?
Yeah, I think it's a little different for different people.
I think dealing with COVID is one.
Dealing with the economy is probably even bigger.
In specific places, this reaction to looting and burning and killing is, you know, I think in New York, the skyrocketing number of shootings under de Blasio is just astonishing.
The number of routine murders in Florida and in Chicago.
I talked to somebody who said that Kenosha had affected Wisconsin substantially.
Similarly, the number of people in Minneapolis who are really affected.
In fact, the City Council is now going back to funding the police department.
Yes, they are, right.
It got so high, they just can't take it anymore.
So I think crime is a big factor.
I think COVID is a big factor.
I think jobs is a big factor.
And the other thing I think which is growing is China.
Yeah, I think China is beginning to set in that China is the source of this.
I am amazed at how China has such support in the United States that that didn't sink in at the very beginning.
Well, remember, the Chinese have been very smart.
They have spent A lot of money penetrating our colleges and universities.
They have been very aggressive in censoring things.
When Bloomberg started to do a... I know this personally because I know the person that was involved.
When Bloomberg started to do a series on corruption in China, they were called in and told every Bloomberg device, which is their real moneymaker, every device will be taken out of China.
So if you're willing to give up a billion dollars a year in revenue, go ahead and write this article.
That's too big a cost.
And so they basically took a dive.
And I think that's the kind of stuff you're up against.
I think that's happening with banks and other businesses also.
Well, imagine if you're one of these billionaires who has had a really cozy relationship with Xi Jinping, or if you're Hunter Biden.
I mean, the most amazing story to me, and there's a terrific 85-page report that Senator Ron Johnson put out It's available online for free for anybody listening to us.
Hunter gets three and a half million dollars from the richest woman in Russia.
He gets about a million dollars a year from one of the most corrupt people in Ukraine.
He gets a billion three hundred million dollars to invest from China.
And his father says in the debate the other day, I didn't know about it.
Now, you tell me what, Father, your kid comes in with a $3.5 million check and doesn't say, gosh, I had a great day, Dad.
They come in, but even worse, they come in with a billion, $300 million, and they don't say, you know, I think we'll have a good Christmas.
It's just totally unbelievable.
And now we'll take a short break.
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Welcome back to our interview with Newt Gingrich.
I know that people are very, very sensitive about handling this.
But the fact is that Hunter Biden has been, for the last seven or eight years, a rather consistent, degenerate crack addict.
I don't know that.
How does that play out if there's very substantial proof of that?
It's a very delicate issue.
The anti-Trump media doesn't want to look at any of this.
I know.
I mean, John finishes a report and shows you step-by-step where the money is.
And the New York Times says, well, nothing new here.
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing.
But the reason, as a lawyer, I would say his inability, his addiction is important.
On top of everything else, why would one of the most crooked men in Ukraine give, in essence, what amounts to about $8 million to a person who's just been thrown out of the military for being a crack addict?
And then, There's proof that all throughout that time he was using crack.
Well, and of course, and the only reason that happened is that his last name is Biden.
Well, they wanted Joe's influence.
And China, and the thing with China becomes a national security issue.
Because they did business with China while Joe was vice president.
And Joe caved into them all the time.
And then they continued to do business with the son, the brother, And the sister-in-law, millions of dollars worth of business.
And the Chinese have got to have recorded every single thing, you know, that they did in order to make sure that Joe is under their thumb.
I mean, these are professionals and very intelligent people.
Well, I mean, in addition to that, I think, you know, he's flying in on Air Force Two.
So, given the way the Chinese deal with rank, if somebody gets off the plane, gets off Air Force Two, you have to assume he's somebody.
You know, and again, for his father to then say, oh gee, I didn't know any of these things were going on.
I think it is so It's both utterly unbelievable about Joe Biden lying in the present, and it's astonishing the amount of money that Hunter Biden's made over the last decade off of his father's name.
All of it in areas where he has no personal knowledge.
Well, shouldn't our national security agencies have picked that up and reported that to the president?
That he was being paid off by someone close to Putin, that he was getting money from members of the Chinese Communist Party, big money, and was business partners with the Chinese Communist Party, and that he was getting money from the crookedest guy in Europe.
Shouldn't that be in intelligence reports?
Well, apparently, I just saw a report yesterday that the State Department Warned on two different occasions that they were worried about Hunter being part of a corrupt system in Ukraine.
And there are at least two cases which are cited in Senator Johnson's report of State Department officials who said, I personally went to the Vice President's office to warn them about this.
So this idea that they weren't aware of it.
But I agree with you.
You know, when you The one that gets to me the most is the Chinese, if they really did give him a billion three hundred million dollars to invest.
The notion that that didn't send up some kind of giant flare in the national security community.
But remember, national security community under Biden and Obama was designed to protect Biden and Obama, not to protect the United States.
No question about it.
You know, but Newt, even though it's a much smaller amount of money, the $3.5 million from the widow of the mayor of Moscow, who happens to have Colluded with Putin to remove her husband from office, and it's very close to Putin.
That one really bothers me the most because I defended him from the false charge of Russian collusion.
I now find out that there's a memo saying that Hillary invented it.
The press pays no attention to that.
I mean, that's astonishing news.
It sells newspapers and it makes people listen to television.
And this money from a friend of Putin's, after they made such a big deal out of the false Russian collusion charges, and Trump and Putin are close, and it turns out the only people who got money from Putin are the Bidens.
Now, how can you explain that the major media, most of the media, I mean, it's almost as if they've become completely corrupt.
They don't.
about massive corruption. How could that be? How could that be? What do they say to themselves?
They don't. Look, these are people who have been shaped by modern higher education,
who are true believers in replacing America with some kind of very different system.
So.
They hate Trump at a scale that is, I literally believe, no president since Abraham Lincoln has had the level of hatred that Trump has had.
You have to go back to a good friend of mine, Alan Guelzo, who teaches at Princeton.
And as a specialist on the Civil War, wrote me in December of 2016 and said, not since the South Carolina slave newspapers assaulted Lincoln has anybody been hit with the level of vitriol the Trump gets.
We now know the whole thing was a lie.
If they had any integrity, which they don't, the New York Times and the Washington Post would return their Pulitzer Prizes.
They won them reporting on total falsehoods.
But there is, in fact, this is a cultural civil war between an establishment allied with a radical left and the entire rest of the country.
And that's why it's such a very complicated challenge, because the rest of the country has the advantage of sheer numbers and a kind of a historic depth of commitment.
But the establishment, both with the big newspapers, the big TV channels, the big Silicon Valley companies, they have huge elements of power, all of them dedicated to destroying the president of the United States.
People will someday look back and realize that Watergate was like 3% of what this plant to this president is.
We'll be right back with this very interesting interview with Newt Gingrich.
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Welcome back to our interview with Newt Gingrich.
The other part that's troublesome is not only is there cover up inaction, corruption on the part of the media, But law enforcement doesn't operate the way I was used to its operating.
Four years ago, a memo is sent to the FBI, I assume to the CIA, that says that Hillary is working on a plot to involve Trump in a false charge of Russian collusion in order to distract from her criminal mishandling of her computer.
First of all, it was never investigated, ever.
And number two, it remained buried all throughout the impeachment proceedings, even by his own Director of National Intelligence, CIA directors.
I mean, didn't they think, when he was being charged with Russian collusion, that this letter would be helpful to his defense?
If he had been convicted in a criminal trial, that would be Brady material.
and the case would be reversed and they'd go to jail for contempt.
Right.
So what's happened to the law enforcement people?
Are they so frightened of the media? Are they frightened of their careers?
I think the senior law enforcement people and the senior intelligence people
were counting on Hillary winning. I think they thought all of this would go away.
Hillary would protect them.
They'd be gone.
I think this is part of why on election night you have this sense of... I tell people it's the equivalent of a A roadside bomb going off, and the people had political PTSD.
If you're on the left, at 8 o'clock that night, you're icing your champagne down.
And at 10 o'clock that night, you're confronting Donald Trump winning.
And the speed of that change was so radical that they've never recovered.
Well, think about all these guys now who have these documents out there that we're going to be fine as long as Hillary won.
All those guys then spent the next three years covering up, playing for time, hoping it would all go away, and gradually, you know, inch by inch, it's all coming out in the open.
And it's, you know, I think the president just released another thousand or so documents that the CIA had been sitting on and trying to avoid releasing, because they're going to embarrass the CIA.
Well, it should embarrass them.
I mean, this heavily redacted document of Brennan's, at least the part we've seen, has no implication for national security.
There was no reason to classify it.
The only thing it does is it shows how crooked Hillary is.
Well, that's not national security.
It's in the national interest to know that, right?
Well, and also, by the way, how crooked Brennan was.
Oh, you know, I always thought I always thought Brennan was the architect of the plot, and then Hillary carried it out.
It looks like Hillary was the architect of the plot, and Brennan carried it out.
I suspect there's enough guilt to go around.
Well, Brennan is the one, remember, who brings it to McCain, and to Paul Ryan, and to other people, who then circulated it to newspapers.
Brennan knew he was circulating false information to those people.
But you know it's a classic story because what you have is an outsider who clearly doesn't belong with the political aristocracy and therefore whatever they do to him is okay because he has no right to be inside their aristocracy.
And a lot of this is about class, you know, and the whole tonal attitude of the right things to do.
And I think Trump probably offended them as much by the act of being Trump as by any policy.
So, in the long run, are people exaggerating when they say this is the most important election in A long time, a lifetime, 50 years.
I think it's the most decisive choice since Lincoln's re-election in 1864.
In 1864, General McClellan ran as the Democratic candidate on a platform of accepting the South's secession, ending the war, accepting the survival of slavery, and giving up on the Union.
Lincoln ran on a platform that was very tough that said, look, we have to fight until we finish winning.
And that's going to cost thousands of lives.
I always thought it was an amazing thing that in the absentee ballots from the Union Army, the very people Lincoln was going to keep in the field, he got over 70% of their vote.
Because they felt like they'd already sacrificed and by God, they wanted to win.
And they believed in the cause of the Union and the cause of freedom.
Um, I think that gap, and I said this on Tucker Carlson who asked me, what would the consequences be of Biden and Harris winning, etc.
And I said, well, you will not be on the air.
Just understand that.
They will use the full power of government.
Fox will no longer, Fox will become PBS.
And they will do everything they can to punish every person who's for Trump.
That's a very interesting perspective.
So what you're saying is that we're not exaggerating when we say that they will basically destroy many of the institutions of our government, become much more authoritarian, and move toward socialism.
Well, I mean, you're experiencing it in your own state.
You have a dictator.
and Governor Cuomo, I mean, when he said the other day to the Jewish community,
if you don't do what I want, I'm going to close the synagogues, I thought, you know, that is so tone deaf
that it carried me back to the 1930s in another country.
I almost can't imagine an American public official who's sworn to uphold the Constitution
when this is virtually the second clause in the First Amendment,
freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
It's almost words that don't come out of your mouth.
Close the synagogue.
Close the church.
Close the mosque.
Close the temple.
But then you go and you look at Whitmer in Michigan.
You look at Murphy in New Jersey.
You look at the governor of California.
All these people behave like petty dictators.
They behave as though there is no Constitution.
There are no civil liberties.
Remember, the purpose of the Bill of Rights is to control government.
Not to control the citizens.
And Jefferson insisted on it because he was afraid of people like Governor Cuomo.
Because he knew that left unbridled, and de Blasio's worse, de Blasio may be the worst mayor in the United States.
He's so terrible.
Newt, I watch him much more closely than you.
There's no question.
And when people say he's the worst mayor in the history of New York, they say, well, you don't know, you know, you don't know Peter Stuyvesant.
I'm sorry.
We wouldn't have existed as a city if Peter Stuyvesant was like de Blasio.
De Blasio is the worst mayor in America, and there's something else about him that's really unusual.
Nobody defends him.
I have a radio show, and I challenge people to come on and say something nice about him.
I haven't gotten anybody yet.
I'm going to give away a prize if they do it.
The left hates him because he's incompetent.
But you know what's frightening?
In Portland, which has a very weak bad mayor, who has tolerated over 100 days of rioting, he's currently losing the election.
But the person who's ahead by 12 points is pro-Antifa.
So he's even worse.
It's even worse.
You look at this stuff and you just think, there are Some elements of the country, and you had to deal with some of this in your first term, there are some elements of the country that are just off the charts.
They're crazy.
So you must really feel very comfortable there in Rome.
And how's the wonderful ambassador?
Before we leave, we have to see how she's doing.
I'm very proud of Callista.
Well, you should be very proud of her.
She has a very good relationship with the hierarchy at the Vatican.
She's, as you know, she's very deeply Catholic and she sang at the Basilica in Washington for 20 years.
And she couldn't have a better job than representing the United States.
She works particularly hard on religious liberty, human trafficking, poverty.
Human trafficking.
That's a very, very It is, and they're doing a conference on it next week, and it's really sobering because what COVID has done is it's actually made it harder to go after the traffickers.
And so they're doing a conference on the challenges of human trafficking.
And she has one young woman from Nigeria who's going to be there who has survived and been liberated to talk about the experience.
She works very closely with the nuns around the world.
Who do so much work that is, you know, you feel so humble when you meet them and realize the courage they have.
So she's had a great time.
And as you know, given your own background, being in Rome, testing out restaurant after restaurant, in my case as a historian, you know, you walk past the forum.
Oh, it's gotta be a dream, right?
It doesn't get much better.
No, it doesn't.
It's a great city with so many levels.
Way down in the ground is ancient Rome, right?
That's right.
That's an unbelievable feeling.
Just to ask you one more question, and that's the whole issue with Amy Conan Barrett and her Catholicism, which they're trying to hide by raising Obamacare as the major issue.
But the real issue is abortion, without any doubt.
Long before there was Obamacare, that key seat was a target for Democrats because they realized that if not an overturning of Roe against Wade, there could be a substantial narrowing of it.
Yeah, I think that's right.
And she's indicated, I'm not a lawyer, so you'll have to correct me, but I think it is called stare decis, where you have to follow the past precedent at least to at least within broad boundaries and she's indicated that she would be very cautious about that.
I think that's I think that's part of the driving element of the there's an anti-Catholicism and for that matter an anti-Christianity and anti-Orthodox Jew wave in the left wing of the Democratic Party because the value sets are so radically different.
I mean, even Biden talks about reopening the case against the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Now, why you would want to go out of your way to file a lawsuit against a group of nuns whose entire profession is taking care of poor people strikes me as insane.
Well, particularly if you wear it on your shoulder that you're a cat.
I mean, last night in the debate, if I'm not mistaken, Harris pointed out what a good Catholic Biden is.
But she wouldn't know it.
She also thought the Knights of Columbus was like a cult.
I try to explain to people it's a bunch of fairly old guys who like to play poker, have a few drinks, and they happen to be Catholics.
They're like the Lions Club with a little bit of a religious flavor.
And she had him like a cult.
They did.
Clyster's father was a knight of Columbus.
And in the Midwest, they do a pancake breakfast to raise money.
And my father was too.
He could get together with the Italian and the Irish and the Polish, and they'd all argue with each other.
Right.
Yeah, I think there's also a deeper thing, which is the most remarkable thing.
You've known Trump much longer than I have.
I always tell people, you know, Trump's not actually a conservative in the National Review, William Buckley, read 45 books, but he's the most effective anti-liberal in modern times.
And I think the courts are a good example.
He just set out to appoint constitutional conservatives who actually think that the Constitution matters.
And with the partnership he now has with McConnell, I think there are well over 300 judges.
They are?
Well, that's... If you had said to me in the summer of 15, This business guy is going to run and win and profoundly reshape the federal judiciary.
I would have thought, I mean, it took the Federalist and Leo Leonard and others, or Leonard Leo, rather, and others, but still, it's an astonishing achievement.
And I think Barrett, in that sense, is sort of the pièce de résistance.
This will be a six to three conservative constitutional court.
When she is approved, which I think she will be in October.
And that's the first time since about 1935 or 1936 that you began to have a stable conservative majority.
Yes, yes.
And so it really is a profound row.
You can understand why liberals are going crazy.
And if Trump gets reelected, I suspect there's a mathematical possibility he'll have at least one more appointment in his second term.
I'd say that's right.
You know, I would say the explanation about Trump that I've come to is he gets to his conservatism by common sense, which is sort of a reaffirmation of why it's a better political philosophy.
I mean, he arrives at it through its absolute common sense.
It isn't all the political theory.
It's the common sense of a businessman, like a judge should interpret.
A congress should pass laws and a president should execute them.
Does that make sense?
You throw that whole thing off when a court decides they're going to make laws.
Now the court becomes a dictator.
It's just common sense.
Well, Newt, we miss you on the trail here.
Your speeches are always magnificent.
Oh, thank you.
I hope you're going to get back before the election.
Oh, I will.
I think we'll be back in another week.
That's our goal.
Well, give Callista my very, very best.
Tell her we're all very proud of her.
We're very, very proud of her.
I will do that.
Thank you.
She's doing such a great job.
And of course, we don't feel like you're gone because you're on Fox so much.
And thank you very much for being with us.
Take care.
Thanks, Rudy.
Thanks.
Well, there's an awful lot to that interview, a great deal of wisdom.
We do miss him, but we do get to hear him all the time.
I hope you enjoyed it.
And we'll be back in a very few days with another interesting observation, interview on this election.
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