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President Trump Must CLEAN HOUSE After Re-Election | Rep. Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani | Ep. 66
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It's our purpose to bring to bear the principle of common sense and rational discussion to the issues of our day.
America was created at a time of great turmoil, tremendous disagreements, anger, hatred.
There was a book written in 1776 that guided much of the discipline of thinking that brought us to the discovery of our freedoms, of our God-given freedoms.
It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense, written in 1776, one of the first American bestsellers in which Thomas Paine explained by rational principles the reason why these small colonies felt the necessity to separate from the powerful Kingdom of England and the King of England.
He explained their inherent desire for liberty, freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and he explained it in ways that were understandable to the people, to all of the people.
A great deal of the reason for America's constant ability to self-improve is because we are able to reason, we're able to talk to each other, we're able to listen to each other, and we're able to analyze.
We are able to apply our God-given common sense.
So let's do it.
This is Rudy Giuliani with Rudy Giuliani's Common Sense.
And today we have the honor of interviewing one of the really great congressmen who represents the first district of Texas, which is a heck of a place to represent, Texas.
And it's Tyler, Texas, where the University of Texas at Tyler is located.
It's a great city.
Where you've spoken before.
I did.
I spoke there and gave the commencement address and played in the Byron Nelson.
And Louie is one of the leaders in Congress, and we just completed the Republican convention.
So the first thing I'm going to ask him, he's been at how many conventions, Louie?
Well, I guess since 2004 was my first one.
Okay, so you have a lot to compare it to.
Yes.
How do you compare this one to the prior ones?
And just general, how do the Republicans do?
Well, first of all, in comparison, we've never had one where we didn't have thousands and thousands of people.
Right.
And that's what I loved.
Your city, New York, was 2004.
That was your first one.
That was my first one.
And the electricity and the excitement.
And by the way, your police officers there, every time we go in, we love having them.
They're still being sued for what they did to keep it safe.
Still, years later.
They're still being sued by the ACL, whatever it is.
Well, it used to be the American Civil Liberties Union, but they gave up.
They might as well drop the civil liberties part because they're not interested.
Only certain left-wingers have civil liberties.
We don't have any.
That's correct.
But the police were wonderful.
They kept things safe.
They were just... I was really impressed with the New York City police.
And if I could give you a personal story.
Yeah, please.
When I was... I owed the Army four years from a scholarship at Texas A&M.
And I went in, 78 to 82 were my four years of active duty.
So after I finished basic, one of my friends grew up in Brooklyn.
You've heard of Brooklyn.
I was born there.
So he was going and this is 1978.
And you were born in?
I was born in Texas, East Texas.
East Texas.
My parents lived in Mount Pleasant, but they crossed Cypress Creek and I was born in Pittsburgh.
And then they brought me back to Mount Pleasant.
But so my friend from Brooklyn said, look, Louie, He knew that Kathy and I were going to spend a three-day weekend in New York, and she'd never been, and I didn't get to do any sightseeing with her.
So he says, you can't say howdy to everybody you meet.
And he said, Kathy, you need to put your purse over your Oh, gosh, yeah.
This was about when?
78.
78, okay.
That's when the crime just started to go up.
Oh, it was.
And then it stayed up for 30 years.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, no, no.
68, yeah.
This is about halfway through.
Right.
Well, yeah, so 78, it was bad.
Koch was the mayor.
Yeah.
Ed Koch was the mayor.
I couldn't remember who was mayor, but I knew he was right about everything and about being careful and watch where you are, be constantly aware.
And don't even make, he said, don't even make eye contact.
Somebody will pull a knife and stab you.
Don't make eye contact.
So that was 78.
So this guy named Giuliani eventually ran for mayor.
And he was saying, we're going to cut this crime.
We're going to do something about the crime.
And I'm going, well, I wish him well.
All my friends thought I was crazy.
I didn't think you were crazy.
I thought, you know, you were out there jousting at windmills.
I was.
It worked.
But I was going, you know, God bless him.
I wish him the best.
I don't see how anybody could change how bad things have gotten.
And lo and behold, you come in and with some very basic policies, you change that city.
You made New York City a wonderful place to visit, and you didn't have to worry about crime, and you could actually speak to people and not worry about being stabbed.
You could make eye contact.
Yes, you could make eye contact.
Imagine walking through a city and not looking at anybody.
I go to New York a good bit.
When I substitute for Sean Hannity on his radio show, I like to do it in their studio with all the help.
And going to Fox News and stuff.
It's going back.
Yeah, it's going back.
Very, very quickly.
The stuff you did to turn that city around is being turned again.
If you look at the statistics, and that's how I did it.
I did a lot with statistics and trying to figure out where the crime was.
It's called the ComStat program.
Put the cops in the right place.
Keep moving them around.
If I look at those statistics now, crime is going up in numbers I don't think we've ever heard of before.
120% increase in shootings.
70% increase in murder.
Some days we have a shooting every hour.
Weekends we have, you know, 50, 60 shootings, 8 or 10 murders.
It's crazy how fast it's gone back.
And you hear incidents like a friend of mine just two days ago.
A group of guys from Black Lives Matter surround him.
They tell him he has to subscribe.
He says he doesn't want to.
They knock him on the ground.
They kick him around.
They grab his wallet.
He goes over to the police officers and says, arrest him, arrest him.
The cops say, we can't.
We can't arrest him.
It'd be too much of a problem because there are too many of them.
If we arrest them, we're either going to have to shoot them, in which case we'll go to jail, or they're going to beat us up.
I mean, I would have ended that day if I was mayor.
That would have been the end of it.
But lawlessness is being permitted, and I know it's all in Democrat cities.
Every single one of these cities has some kind of a silly Democrat mayor who says things like, let them out of jail.
The mayor in New York let 8,000 people out of jail.
And they're saying, well, these lesser crimes, you know, we can look at it.
But as I recall, where you really started making a difference saying little things matter, little crimes turn into big crimes.
And you started stopping the little ones.
And that's how we even a broken window.
That's it.
We call it two things with a key broken windows theory, which is you got to pay attention to these small things.
So you set the rules.
No graffiti.
Now the place is filled with graffiti again.
Got to pay your fare going on the subway.
We used to let people get away with that.
In fact, the fact that we did that, we once caught a serial killer.
Because we got his fingerprint.
Because we arrested him for not paying his fare.
And it matched with a guy who had already done two murders.
He's on his way to do about eight or ten more.
So broken windows theory works.
Little things matter.
But the current mayor rejected it.
The progressive Democrats reject it because they say it concentrates too much on black people.
And it doesn't.
It applies to everybody.
Well, as we were preparing in East Texas for the hurricane that we knew was coming, The wee hours Thursday morning, I talked to my county
judges and my district and my sheriffs talked to most of them and
All of them were saying can you imagine the stuff going on in these big cities?
Happening.
Somebody trying to start that in East Texas.
Well, they just would not put up with it.
Well, we have it.
We're probably not even going to name anywhere near all the cities, but we have it in Portland.
We've got Chicago.
Chicago weekend is like the Afghan or Iraq war.
They end up with 80 people shot.
Crazy.
20 people dead every weekend.
Been going on for How bad is it?
Your back, knee, or neck pain?
Barack Obama was in the White House, why he didn't care enough about his hometown to do something about it.
Yeah.
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Welcome back to our interview with Louie Gohmert from the 1st District of Texas.
Well, you know, when I was a district judge, I handled felony cases up to and including capital murder.
But one of the saddest things I was ever told was by a daughter of one of the wealthier couples in our town.
There was a lot of oil and gas money there.
And anyway, my predecessor had put her on probation, felony probation, and I think she was caught seven or eight times with drugs.
Well, every single person I put on probation, I said, now understand, I'm giving you this second chance, but if any violation of any condition of your probation is ever proved here in court, it's not a question of whether you're going to prison.
You are going to prison, and you need to understand.
Well, she got caught yet again, this time in my court, and she knew what I always did.
It's a matter of how long you're going, not whether you're going.
And anyway, her parents, you know, we elect our judges in Texas, and her parents had, seemed like most of my big donors, packing a courtroom when it came to her, and they had sent letters saying, you know, please give her another chance.
And so we had a hearing and they put on all this evidence, put on some of my closest friends to ask for her to have one more chance.
And anyway, when it came...
At the time, her lawyer said, is there anything else you would like to tell the judge?
She knew what I was going to do because I always did it.
And she looked up at me.
She had a five-figure trust fund money coming in every month.
And anyway, I understood she never made up her bed, never studied for school.
She looked up at me and tears just started rolling.
And she said, I just wish somebody had told me no before today and meant it.
And I'm telling you, it broke my heart, but when she got out, she ended up staying clean and sober and she ended up buying her brother out of Dad's oil company.
That's good.
last I heard she's doing fantastic and That's good. That's a good story mother and I said look I
know you and your husband hated me for sending her She said, you know, I I'm embarrassed
We meant to let you know She says and we realize you saved her life
You sure did.
But boy, they hated me for a while there.
But you know, in a way, it's exactly... You've got to do what you say.
It's exactly what's going on right now.
So we've had these riots in Portland for 60 or more days now.
Finally, finally, finally, finally, after the Democratic Convention says nothing about the riots, says nothing about them, even though it's happening in their cities, not ours.
It's happening in their cities.
They say nothing about it.
Biden says something really interesting during his acceptance speech that people haven't noticed.
He said, silence is assent.
He was talking about something else, but silence is assent.
Well, they've been silent for 60 days.
That's exactly right.
It's assent.
What those criminals realize is the Democrats don't intend to do anything about it.
In fact, in Chicago, in Chicago, after the police finally were on to arrest the protesters, The Soros-elected DA, Kim Fox, who fixed a Smollett case before, she lets 3,000 people out.
The cops go crazy.
They say, we finally get to arrest the protesters, who are rioters, for busting down windows and banging people over the head and burning police cars.
And within a day, they're all let out of prison.
What's the use of our going through this?
And that's, you know, that's what the police think.
That's a choice of the Democrat Party.
I mean, in their platform, they want no bail.
No bail basically means everybody goes back on the street within two hours.
But when I was a judge, no bail meant this guy's so dangerous, he's not coming out no matter what.
But to them, it means Yeah.
No, it means... It's a revolving door.
Committing crimes again.
in New York City. It's a revolving door. It's back out on the street. Committing crimes again. Yeah,
that's why we have so much. People say, why do we have so much crime? Well,
de Blasio put 8,000 criminals on the street.
right? And...
And Cuomo, where there's no bailout, probably put another 8,000 criminals on the street.
We've got 16,000 to 20,000 more criminals than we normally would have running around the city.
What are they going to do?
I mean, they're not going to go read the Bible.
They're going to do what criminals do.
They're going to hold people up.
They're going to break in houses.
They're going to grab purses.
They're going to do muggings.
They're going to do the things that criminals do.
Well, I got to insert a defense for Joe Biden and his defense.
OK.
The information about all these riots and violent protests, it may not be getting into his basement.
He may not know.
He may just be on his little... I laughed at that, but I'm not sure that's a joke.
I don't know if he knows what's going on.
I interviewed two doctors last week who are not particularly political.
They said what they see is pretty strong symptoms of a form of dementia, that he can't get numbers straight.
He said, everybody, no matter what age, are going to get numbers wrong, going to get names wrong.
The question is, how often?
So you have him saying things like, he's going to create jobs for 700 million women.
Because there are only 300 million people in the country.
Then he says, I'm going to make sure that everyone votes for me for the Senate.
Yeah.
And I hope he gets his wish.
Joe Biden wrote for the Senate.
Yeah, I'm hoping he gets that.
Then he comes in, he greets his wife, he almost gives her a kiss, and he says it's his sister.
So, I mean, it isn't as if there's one of these incidents or two.
No, it's just a regular thing.
It's one after another after another that makes it look like the short-term memory is going.
And if that's the case, then this is a guy they can manipulate.
But, you know, you know the investigation.
You know he's not going to run things.
Of course not.
You know the investigation of the president really well, because you were one of the people that knew that cold and probably one of the most helpful in defending the president.
But it seems to me that's what they did with Mueller.
They picked Mueller.
Mueller didn't know what the hell was going on.
And the animals ran the zoo.
Yeah, it sounds like Weissman was really running things.
I think Mueller, now that I look back on it, The interchanges I had with him when I was defense counsel and then when I saw him testify, I said, it isn't just a question of his being lazy.
I thought he was lazy.
He's not functioning with a full brain.
Well, I mean, when I finished my questions... I remember, that's what I'm asking you.
I didn't ask a question.
I said, the president was not obstructing justice.
He was pursuing justice because he knew he was innocent.
You were the one that was obstructing justice.
And so Nadler said, my time's run out.
And he says, Mr. Mueller, would you like to respond?
And he said, I'll take the question.
And everybody was going, And I'm going, what does he mean, I'll take the question?
And he says, no, I'm giving you a chance to respond to what he said.
I didn't ask a question there.
It was a last comment, but it didn't matter.
He said, I'll take the question.
And everybody was going, what the heck is he talking about?
I don't think he knew.
That was a different Mueller than I had grilled over the years.
And he obviously didn't know the answer to the question or couldn't formulate the answer.
It wasn't there.
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Welcome back to our interview with Louie Gohmert, the representatives from the 1st District of Texas.
But now you and I were talking beforehand because we both had the same understanding and what the president talked about last night.
You know, he's got to wait for the governors to invite him in before he can come in.
And that's that is the law and that has been the law.
And but there is an exception.
Tell us about it.
Yeah.
Well, it's 10 U.S.
Code 251 through 254.
But especially 253 is interesting.
The president by using militia or armed forces or both or by any other means shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress in any state Any insurrection, domestic violence.
That's pretty wide open.
And you have that going on in some of these places.
You do.
For long periods of time.
A combination conspiracy.
If it hinders the execution of the laws of that state and of the United States within that state, that any part of its people is deprived of a right Protection, that's what we're seeing.
And then the constituted authorities of that state are either unable or fail or refuse to protect that right.
And you've got people in all of these cities, they've got property rights, they've got rights guaranteed to them.
under the Constitution, and they are wholly being refused protection.
So it looks to me like what's called the Insurrection Act gives the president the full authority to come in there and say, Governor, under these other laws, I have to have your permission or request.
Under this one, you haven't been providing protection to your people.
I'm going to do it.
I think you're right.
The case can be made for it.
Yeah.
I think for it to work, there has to be a large majority of the American people behind it.
It reminds me of what was done during this.
Civil rights.
Eisenhower and Kennedy.
Yes.
Did that.
Yes.
And but there was maybe 70 percent of the American people who were behind behind it.
Yeah.
And actually the governors, although they opposed it, didn't didn't set up their police to obstruct the federal.
So I mean, that's true.
Presidents got to think about, number one, is there enough public support for it?
Right.
Is it really?
And it's the definition of insurrection is Very loose and very general.
Is it an insurrection that the public is going to recognize?
Well, that's the name of the act, but it says domestic violence.
You could fit the devil in.
I mean, the better way to do it is to be invited in.
The better way to do it is the governor can't control things.
There's nothing wrong with a governor who can't control things.
He's gotten beyond his resources to ask for help.
I never needed to do that except on 9-11 in New York, because when I was the mayor, we had a police department of 40,000.
So if I couldn't do it with 40,000, another 10,000, 20,000 troops are not going to help very much.
But these cities don't have 40,000.
They have a small number of police.
And they're cutting those.
And they're overwhelmed by this.
And every time the president has been asked, he's given them troops.
I mean, there's no reason for them not to ask, except they don't want them to look good.
That's right.
I think, well, you know this being in the House and seeing the Senate.
I think from the day he came into office, they've basically not given a single thought to what's good for the American people, the Democrats.
It's we're not going to have him have a victory.
He can't have a victory.
No wall.
He's doing a wall anyway, but we're not going to.
They were in favor of the wall.
Now they're against the wall.
Schumer and Pelosi know we could have had a deal on infrastructure.
That would have been the easiest thing.
Republicans and Democrats want to see it, want to have it.
And what you've just said is the sole reason we don't have an infrastructure bill is because they don't want President Trump to look good.
Now, are these things going to help in the election?
I think, cumulatively, they will because people, they might not have been convinced by a little violence here or there.
They may not have been convinced by people losing rights and property rights here and there.
But when you starting adding up all the First Amendment, Second Amendment, Fourth Amendment rights, Fifth Amendment rights, really Fourth Amendment, a lot of people don't give much attention to that.
But, you know, the Obama administration just ran right over that amendment.
Including with the Pfizer, including with the Pfizer, the fraudulent Pfizer applications.
Clinesmith better not be the scapegoat, because there were way too many.
I hope he's the witness.
Well, and that's what I wondered about.
I hope he's the witness.
We keep hearing that Durham does not want to affect any election.
He's already affecting the election, and every day he delays bringing indictments against people that were involved in this coup.
He's affecting the election.
If the Justice Department doesn't want to affect the election, why did they go ahead and arrest Bannon right now and not wait three months?
Exactly.
I mean, Bannon's not going to run away.
Whatever Bannon did or didn't do, it's a white-collar case.
He either misappropriated the money or he didn't misappropriate the money.
That was all political.
The records are not going to change.
They got them.
The timing of that was all political.
Bannon's going to go live in Switzerland?
I doubt it.
So the double standard just drives me crazy.
That's what I hear all the time.
Even with our own Justice Department.
I mean, they indict Bannon, who's the former campaign manager and now big supporter of Donald Trump.
And they refuse to bring cases against people who committed crimes four years ago.
Who are not particularly supporters of Biden.
Well, what I'm also hoping is not only that President Trump will win and win big, but immediately after the election, he has got to get rid of the people that have been stabbing him in the back for the last three and a half years.
Of which there have been many.
Many.
You look at the whistleblower who created the whole Ukraine thing.
You know more about that than anybody I know.
This guy's been going after the president for five years.
He's an activist.
He and others were heard trashing.
Five years ago, they were involved in trying to stop Trump from being president and fooling around with foreign officials and evidence.
It's a terrible situation.
It is.
It is.
I think only this election can straighten it out.
It is.
But the president's right.
This is the most important election because we've never had candidates this far apart on the issues.
And, you know, one of the things that gets me, too, we're really starting to see what people really believe in.
And taking God out every chance they get.
And one of the things that Dostoevsky is credited with saying, and he was in the late 1800s arguing against this communist socialist idea.
And he said, the problem with socialism is not economic.
The problem with socialism is atheism.
Yeah.
Because the government has to become God.
And that's where these people want to take it.
And you can see it.
You can see it.
You can see the influence of socialism, Marxism on the Democratic Party with their convention, where I don't remember if they ever started any session with a prayer.
I think they did.
They took God out of the Pledge of Allegiance.
There seems to be an antagonism to anything religious.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're it.
Well, I got to ask you one question because it comes up all the time.
So every four years, it said Texas is going to switch and Texas is fading away as a Republican state.
So how do you assess Texas in 2020?
Well, the big cities have moved blue.
And not just purple.
Our biggest cities are blue.
Dallas, Houston.
Dallas, Houston.
San Antonio.
People's Socialist Republic of Boston.
Boston, San Antonio.
San Antonio.
And they're basically controlled by Democrats.
But the rest of the state is still very conservative.
And one of the wonderful things that I'm also seeing is Even though for many, many years Democrats have been saying Republicans hate Hispanics, what a lot of us have understood and believed, you look at the Hispanic culture, and I know this is generalizing to some extent,
But what I see, generally speaking, is a faith in God, devotion to family, hard work ethic.
Three things that made America really great.
And they have not realized they're really Republicans.
And they're more and more voting that way.
Hispanics going, I don't think I am.
And more and more people, more and more African-Americans are saying, you know what, I don't... We saw it at the convention, didn't we?
Yes, we have.
And we saw a lot of African-Americans and Hispanics basically giving witness to the fact that the Democratic Party has double-crossed them.
Republicans want to give us a chance and help us reach our full potential, and Democrats just want us kept down and taking a government check.
So am I right that Governor Abbott got pretty close to a majority of the Hispanic vote when he ran?
Yes.
Pretty close, right?
Pretty close.
I think it was high 40s.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's very, very... Well, for heaven's sake.
The whole idea that Texas... It's kind of hard to say Greg Abbott is prejudiced against Hispanics.
His wife is Hispanic.
I mean, for heaven's sake.
They do it anyway.
Well, they do.
They do.
Well, it's like people saying President Trump, you know, he hates Jews.
Are you kidding?
So many of his business partners?
But it doesn't matter.
They'll lie and make it up.
So tell us about Texas.
Is it going to be solidly for Trump?
He should win walking away.
The great unknown is, in my opinion, how many people will vote illegally and how many votes will be changed electronically in the big cities.
Mm-hmm.
And so that's why we need Republicans in Texas and really all over the country.
They need to have training on what to watch for.
Right.
Poll watching.
Absolutely.
You bet.
Absolutely.
It's not enough to just vote.
We have got to secure this election to make sure it is fair.
Right.
I went through an election like that in 1993, and the key to winning the election was investing a lot of money in poll watching.
And we used correction offices and firefighters as the poll watchers because people are afraid of them.
People don't fool around with them.
Whereas we used to use lawyers, and they used to intimidate the lawyers, particularly in the areas that were controlled by Democrats.
Warriors would get scared.
They'd go run off somewhere.
But when we sent in the firefighters and the correction officers, nobody was scared.
But, Louie, you are one of the very best.
You're also one of the most entertaining.
You're a hero of this country.
You really are.
You're one of the most entertaining in Congress.
Whenever there's a hearing, we can always count on Louie Germer to ask a A pertinent question and then something really interesting.
As an old trial lawyer, when I was questioning Peter Strzok, I asked a question and people were screaming.
I was violating the rules.
One was screaming I was off my meds and whatever.
But you know from trying cases like I do, when somebody says that they always tell the truth, they never lie.
And he had said both of those things in his closed door deposition.
And I believe he had said in the hearing, Your credibility, you know, you tell any witness, don't say I never lie.
Don't say I always, because every time you ever lie, it's going to come in.
It's now going to be admissible.
Credibility is always an issue.
So for me to say, I can't help but wonder if you didn't have that same smirk the hundreds of times you lied to your wife.
But his credibility was in issue, and he is a liar, a serial liar.
Yeah, he sure is.
So are you frustrated that they haven't been indicted yet?
Yes.
I am too.
This should have happened many months ago.
These are, now I'm talking to a former judge.
They nearly brought down this country.
And these are very provable crimes.
Yes, no question about it.
They've been caught red-handed.
Let's hope.
Let's hope.
And let's make sure we win.
It is always a treat to get to talk to you.
Thank you.
You're a real American icon.
Thank you.
Well, that was a very, very interesting interview with probably one of the most interesting and one of the most influential members of Congress, Louie Gohmert, who represents the 1st District in Texas.
And I think you'll agree with me that he's quite unique.
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