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Debates In Biden's Basement A Possibility | Corey Lewandowski And Rudy Giuliani | Ep. 47
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It's our purpose to bring to bear the principle of common sense and rational discussion to the issues of our day.
America was created at a time of great turmoil, tremendous disagreements, anger, hatred.
There was a book written in 1776 that guided much of the discipline of thinking that brought us to the discovery of our freedoms, of our God-given freedoms.
It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense, written in 1776, one of the first American bestsellers in which Thomas Paine explained by rational principles the reason why these small colonies felt the necessity to separate from the powerful Kingdom of England and the King of England.
He explained their inherent desire for liberty, freedom, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and he explained it in ways that were understandable to the people, to all of the people.
A great deal of the reason for America's constant ability to self-improve is because we are able to reason, we're able to talk to each other, we're able to listen to each other, and we're able to analyze.
We are able to apply our God-given common sense.
So let's do it.
This is Rudy Giuliani.
I'm back again with another episode of Rudy's Common Sense.
And today we have with us an extraordinary guest, the architect of probably one of the biggest surprises in American political history, the victory of Donald Trump against 17 Republicans in the Republican primary, which on the day he started, I think was 100 to 1 in Las Vegas against it.
It was Donald Trump, Corey Lewandowski, four other people.
On one side and the world on the other side.
And within a few months, he became the leading candidate and then periodically and systematically wiped away the field.
Then, of course, went on to be president.
So I think it's a good time to talk to the president's very, very good friend, probably his most loyal supporter, and the man who made it possible for us to have this great president, Corey Lewandowski.
Corey, it's a great pleasure to have you.
And I think we have you at exactly the right time, because a lot of our supporters, a lot of the Trump supporters, are a little nervous today, because although we don't believe polls, they still have Basement Biden leading, which we can't understand.
We can't understand how a man in a basement is leading who can't speak English anymore.
And we've got a weekend.
Look, the headline on the Washington Post is a weekend of mass murder.
A weekend of mass murder.
And we have this all in Democrat—they don't point out, it's all in Democratic cities and states.
All.
And why is the president behind?
Or is he behind?
And how do we—since you did a miracle once before, how do we do it again?
Well, Mayor, thank you for having me.
You know, it's such a pleasure to be with you.
A hero to me and all of the families of the 9-11 tragedy for your leadership in that city, for what you've been able to do, and your work to make sure that our great president wasn't impeached was paramount.
You sat the witch hunt out.
It's just one more attack on this president, mayor, and now the attack is he's losing in the polls.
It's the same thing you and I witnessed in 2015 and 2016.
We call it the full Rudy Giuliani, the full Ginsburg.
When you go on every Sunday show and you push back against the fake narrative, you were there to do it.
And we need it again because the narrative against this president is worse than ever.
So what does he have to do to turn this around?
I think I know what you're going to tell me, but I want you to reassure our people.
Well, I think first and foremost, This president has to outline what his vision for America in a second term looks like.
We've seen the success that he's had in the first term, and many people don't want to talk about it, but what he's done to the federal judiciary fundamentally transformed it with over 200 federal judges, lifetime of appointments, that is going to pay dividends for a
generation to come.
But what we need to do is we need to remind the American people of what the economy was
when Donald Trump came into office.
All the pundits said the stock market would drop to a fraction of what it was, and it
went the other way.
He has to lay out his vision for America just like Ronald Reagan did in 1984.
So we see polls like Black Lives Matter has a higher approval rating than the president,
Biden, the Congress, just about anybody but the military.
I hope you enjoyed it.
How can that be?
I mean, they're behind this violence.
They've been preaching this violence for years.
They don't care about Black lives other than the people who are killed by the police.
How did that narrative get ahead of us so that we're not getting the reaction we used
to get when there were riots, which is you'd go back to the law and order candidate?
It's very, very simple.
Look, it's easy to sell salacious stories and to blame this president, to call him names, a misogynist, a racist, whatever you want to say.
But the facts are very different.
Look, the American people, I believe, Mayor, come down on the side of the police, just like I did when I was a police officer in the state of New Hampshire.
We are the first line on that thin blue line, as your listeners know.
The people who protect you from the evils that are out there.
And 250 million Americans called 911 last year for some type of emergency.
And it didn't matter if you were white or blue, green, orange or black, purple or yellow, the police respond every time.
And this notion that first, some people want to defund the police, And second, that Black Lives Matter above all else doesn't really make sense to people who don't look at things through a racist prism.
You know, when you are in the military, And you are working with people side by side who have enormously different backgrounds from you, whether they are rich kids or they're the son of the vice president of the United States, or they grew up in the poor south side of Chicago.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is your team.
And if we can instill that type of confidence in everybody, then it's not about black lives or white lives.
It's about About all lives mattering, and I really think that's what we have to get back to.
Corey, it seemed this weekend at the rally for the president that the campaign kind of like was on hold for two or three months, like pause on a DVR machine, and now we started again.
And the question is, can the president revive what was going on before the pandemic, before the riots, And bring us back to something like the economy that we had, which was the best America ever had.
I mean, can that happen?
Can that turn into a political reality in time for the election?
Well, I hope so.
And the truth is, Donald Trump is best when he's talking directly to the American people, when he is out in front of the American people without the biased media attacking him.
He has to bring our economy back.
And he has to remind the American people of what he built in the first three years.
Does he have to bring it all the way back or head it in the direction of coming back?
Two weeks ago, we got job numbers that showed we were headed in the right direction quite dramatically.
If he continues to do that, but we don't quite get to where we were, do you think that is good enough?
I think it gives Americans a sense of hope that there is a path forward.
And look, in the first three years, people saw the 401ks skyrocket.
And then they took a little bit of a dip.
But what we know now is that with the job numbers that the pundits were so wrong on and the economy coming back to life, people are looking at their 401ks and their retirement plans again and saying, thank you, Donald Trump, for opening the economy.
Thank you for making us richer as a country, and thank you for making us the envy of the world, and that's what earned you a second term in the White House.
Now, we also had a weekend not only of his rally, which gets criticized because he had less than a full house, although he had more people than anybody in American political history could ever draw.
It's like he set the standard so high that he's almost a victim of his own success.
I mean, if he hadn't had those 40,000 people rallies, this would have looked like one of the biggest rallies ever.
But I believe that his losing those rallies for the last two to three months is probably the biggest reason that he lost momentum, because he needs those rallies, because it's the only way he can honestly communicate.
So tell me how you came up with the idea of the rallies.
How did it start?
I mean, this is a whole change in American politics.
You were there at the beginning.
Tell us how you came up with the idea of these rallies, which now are like, I don't know, it's like the Ed Sullivan Show.
It's amazing, Mayor, because I had the privilege to work for a candidate who understood the media better than any other candidate.
If you would have told me a 70-year-old guy would have dominated a presidential election by Twitter, and presidential rallies.
I would have said, no way.
But that's what he did.
And he always wanted a bigger crowd.
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Welcome back to our interview with Corey Lewandowski.
I came into the campaign in 2016, and the first rally that I went to is when I knew he was going to win, way back, you know, eight months earlier.
I had been in run for president myself.
I campaigned for three candidates heavily, for McCain just about as his principal target, I never saw anything like this.
I never saw anything like this, and we were eight months before the election, nine months before the election.
It was like the election was going to be tomorrow.
And we drive up, there are about 15,000 people outside in Ohio, and I said to him, Donald, because I could call him Donald then, I said, Donald, you better wait until these people get inside.
And he just like, matter of factly, he said, there are more people inside.
I said, what?
He said, oh no, there are 20,000 inside.
And I thought he was exaggerating.
Every once in a while, he exaggerates a little.
Not much, right?
Instead of exaggerating, I walk in.
It's like 22,000.
It's like 22,000 people inside.
And it's like it's the day before the election.
And he finishes, and I said, you're going to win.
He said, oh, nobody knows that yet.
I said, nobody has enthusiasm like this.
But he's got to get back to it.
I think something happens when people on television then see that.
It ignites their enthusiasm.
And then his numbers go up, and the fact that people are going to participate becomes certain.
For sure, they're going to go vote.
Those people who wait out there for two days, they're going to go vote.
A lot of people can say they're going to vote for somebody, but these people are really going to go vote.
So is he going to have a schedule of those rallies, even if they're a little bit smaller?
You bet.
He has to.
Look, he feeds off of these rallies as much as they feed off of him.
You know that, yeah.
You know, it's his opportunity.
But I still don't get the answer to my first question.
How did it all start?
Where did this new phenomenon in American politics start?
I'll tell you what happened, Mayor.
In New Hampshire, we brought Donald Trump to a house party.
Somebody's house.
And when 400 people showed up in this guy's house and destroyed the place, he said, we're going to need a bigger venue.
It's like the line from Jaws.
We're going to need a bigger boat.
OK?
He says, we need a bigger venue.
I said, nobody has a bigger house.
And he says, book me the biggest place you can get, and I'll fill it.
And that's how it started, and we just kept on going.
It just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.
And then he would start in with, he's going to talk to the fire marshal so they let more people in.
I remember one we went to, and there were empty seats.
There were empty seats.
And he said, there are 15,000 people out here, and there are empty seats.
They said, the fire marshals won't let it in.
He said, let me talk to the fire marshal.
The other thing people don't understand.
That's true.
But maybe they got a little of it.
It's a heck of a lot of fun to campaign with him.
I mean, didn't you have some of the best fun you've ever had just campaigning with him?
You know, Mayor, you know it because you saw it.
The most amazing ride anybody could ever have gone through, you know?
I grew up a kid in Lowell, Massachusetts, in a single-parent household, you know, with no money, no privilege, and to have the opportunity to spend a year and a half traveling with Donald Trump, right?
I mean, that is the American dream.
Yeah, you know, now, Corey, You have a permanent place in American history.
That has to be—that has to be wonderful.
When you think about it, when they write about this campaign, no matter what happens, when they write about this camp—the campaign of 15, 16, they're going to say somebody came out of nowhere.
What did he have, 1% in the polls?
And he defeated 17 candidates, some of whom were— Really, really established, very solid candidates.
He didn't beat, like, the bum of the month like they used to—boxers sometimes would do.
And he did it with you, Hope Hicks, three other people.
This is history.
He will now change the way American candidates have to campaign.
And I think the reason—the other reason that these things are so important to him, it has to contrast with Biden.
Who basically doesn't want to get out of that basement.
Well, you know, Mayor, when Donald Trump campaigned, he revolutionized the way we did it.
You know, everybody did it the old fashioned Hillary Clinton way, where you had 75 offices in Florida and everybody did it that way.
He said, no, no, we're going to do it a different way.
We're not going to do 75 stops.
We're going to bring the people to me as opposed to me to the people.
We didn't go to 99 counties in Iowa.
We went to 16 counties and the rest of those people came to see Donald Trump and he could do that because of his star power.
We had fun.
Look, the concern now is Joe Biden is running the Hillary Clinton campaign.
That's exactly, he's just, he is the biggest swamp creature to ever run So I'm a little older than you, and I go back to Ronald Reagan, who I work for.
find him and we have to let the president, I call him the greatest racehorse ever to
run. You gotta let him run. You gotta just hold on tight.
I love that. Guide him into the corners a little bit. Hold that bridle, but you gotta
let him run. So I'm a little older than you and I go back to Ronald Reagan, who I work for. And I remember when he
was running for re-election and he had that first debate with Mondale and he was prepared for
it for, you know, two weeks.
Every advisor, and even Ronald Reagan, who had been president for four years, great accomplishment,
great speaker, the guy goes into the debate completely confused.
Every advisor wants to say something different.
They want him to be different, and Mondale won that first debate.
Everybody thought, oh my God, he's going to have an upset.
And Mrs. Reagan came in for the beginning of the next debate preparation, and she said exactly what you said.
She looked at all of them, she threw most of them out of the room, and she said, I want Ronnie to be Ronnie.
Ronnie, you got very far that way.
Just be Ronnie."
And then he whipped his you-know-what in the next debate.
And the same thing is true with him.
But I would think people would have confidence in him now, because pretty much when he's himself, he wipes the floor with the other candidates.
So tell me how—tell me how we're going to deal—we're going to deal with the women's— everyone is worried about the women's vote in the suburbs.
Is there a special appeal, or is it just explaining him the way he is that overcomes some of the sharp edges that seem to bother them?
Well, you know, Mayor, the truth is there are women in the suburbs, college-educated women, who don't like his rhetoric.
But what they do love, and the media doesn't want to talk about this, is that he is the law and order candidate.
Because those women, just like the rest of most of America, care about the safety and security for their families.
It's the paramount thing that drives them.
And many of those women in the suburbs also are small business owners.
And we have these marauders going through the streets, throwing bricks through windows, looting stores.
No one wants to talk about the fact that suburban women don't agree with that, nor does most of America.
So when they have to make a decision, do they want the safety and security for their family with an individual who might say some things that are a little rough around the edges?
Their answer is, I want a safe home and a safe environment, and if Donald Trump says a couple things I don't like, we're willing to tolerate that, as opposed to the exact opposite, which is chaos, bedlam, pandemonium, and no safety.
Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
I think from the very beginning, there are always people that are telling him, You've got to change.
You've got to be softer.
You've got to make a special appeal to them.
I think one of his great strengths is he doesn't make special appeals.
He doesn't play the identity politics, you know, divide everybody and, you know, have a Southern accent for the Southerners like Hillary used to do or pretend to have some kind of Black accent for African Americans when she spoke to them.
He talks to everybody the same.
He considers everybody the same.
And I think that's his great strength.
He's an equal opportunity criticizer, an equal opportunity leader, an equal opportunity encourager.
If he likes what you're doing, he pats you on the back.
And when he doesn't, as you and I both know, he says, what the hell are you doing?
Right?
And this way, you can work for him.
You know the direction you're going in.
I mean, after a while, you know what he wants.
It's very clear to work for him.
That's why he's a good leader.
The people who work for him know what he wants.
And I don't think we can emphasize enough the trouble America is in.
We are right now witnessing—today, you and I are talking the day after 67 people were wounded in Chicago, 11 killed.
One of them is a three-year-old.
And you and I don't know her name, to pray for her, because Black Lives Matter doesn't matter to them.
That three-year-old doesn't matter.
Or the 13-year-old that was killed.
Or the four other children that were killed in Chicago.
In Seattle, the autonomous zone.
What a bunch of garbage that is.
That's a lawless zone.
19-year-old was killed there.
That was supposed to be kumbaya, everybody happy, everybody... Well, we get reports for the last week, they're smoking dope like crazy, they're shooting dope like crazy, they're beating people up, they're taking stores over, and now we have a 19-year-old dead.
And then right out of it, right next to it, another one shot dead.
11 people injured in Minneapolis in one shooting, one person dead.
And in my city on Saturday, Cory, There was one person shot per hour on Saturday.
I mean, that's worse than a war!
This is what it was like under the last Democratic mayor of our city, David Dinkins.
We had seven or eight murders a day until I came into office.
I changed it, Bloomberg held it, and this idiot Democrat, progressive, socialist, is ruining the city.
We're going right back to the murder rates we used to have.
We got—I mean, the American people, We have to elect Donald Trump.
We have no choice.
We have no choice if we want to keep our cities functioning.
Mayor, this election is about the safety and security of our families and the next generation.
It's not just about us.
You know, if it's about us, it's one thing.
But the fact that you can't walk down a street in Chicago and fear for your own life, we deserve better as a country.
It's safer in Afghanistan and Iraq for our soldiers than it is on the south side of Chicago.
That's what the fight should be about.
That is true.
This fight should be about making our cities safe.
Number one.
And then the economy.
I know the economy is always considered number one, but I've always believed when safety is at issue, safety becomes number one.
So when I ran for mayor in a city that was 6-1 Democrat and hadn't had a Republican in two generations, I won.
Because there were two riots, 2,000 murders a year, 12,000 felonies a week, and people couldn't move out of their houses.
And we're getting to that point again.
It's terrible.
It's like we solved this problem, and it's coming back again.
And we have got to win.
And we've got to win the House and Senate, too.
How do you see that?
Well, look, I think we've got a real battle In the U.S.
Senate, the Democrats have done a good job of recruiting candidates.
But it's paramount.
If we're going to get the Trump agenda accomplished, we need to hold the Senate.
We've got some races that shouldn't be as competitive as they are in the U.S.
Senate, but we've also got some real opportunity, like in Michigan, with John James, African-American.
I know, I know, John.
Great candidate.
Great candidate.
He inspires you.
Inspires me.
People should know about John Jay.
He's an African-American.
He's a military—great military record.
Almost won the race for governor that he ran for?
Out of nowhere?
For the Senate.
He almost won the race for Senate out of nowhere.
He's a heck of a candidate.
Be a real addition to the Senate.
He's a great guy.
And look, and in the House?
We've got some opportunities here in my home state of New Hampshire.
We're going to win a congressional seat here, which will help flip that house back and make Kevin McCarthy the Speaker.
We have to retire Nancy Pelosi and Jerry Nadler and AOC and the rest of the crazies.
Ilhan Omar and Rashid Tlaib.
These people do not represent the values of the America I grew up in.
No, they actually have an alternative.
And I don't think we realize yet how serious this is, because we haven't read the things they wrote four and five years ago.
I don't want to equate it to Hitler, but Hitler and Mein Kampf told us what he was going to do to us.
I don't think we realize yet how serious this is, because we haven't read the things they wrote four and five years
ago.
I don't want to equate it to Hitler, but Hitler and Mein Kampf told us what he was going to do to us.
We ignored it, and he did it to us.
The Muslim extremists, bin Laden, wrote what he was going to do to us, and we ignored it, and he did it to us.
These people have written what they want to do to us and they are now doing it.
And Donald Trump is the guy that stands in the way of that and a Republican House and Senate.
And I think if it happened, the Democratic Party would then go fix itself.
Don't forget, Mayor, if Joe Biden, God forbid, gets elected, those are exactly the people he will rely on for his policy initiatives.
He will turn to AOC and Rashid Tlaib and they will have an undue influence on the American people because they will have the ear of Joe Biden because he doesn't know where he is most of the time, so he'll be listening to them.
How is it that the American media has become so cynical that they can watch Joe Biden display clear symptoms of cognitive impairment, serious cognitive impairment?
And not even raise the issue that he should be examined, that he really has an obligation to the American people to explain what this is?
I mean, if it were Donald Trump or one of our candidates, and they forgot their wife, and they forgot what state they were in, and they forgot their own name, you know they would demand a press conference.
They would demand doctor's reports.
Number two, the man's a crook.
A man's been a crook for 30 years.
The proof—there are witnesses ready to testify to it.
Even our Justice Department is protecting him against that.
I don't get where this protection comes from.
I was a prosecutor who believed—you prosecute Democrats and Republicans.
You don't get a—that's not a—how do they let this guy get away with murder?
What—I mean, you put a babbling idiot like that on television, people want to know why he's babbling.
Look, the truth is the media does not want to go after Joe Biden because it doesn't fit their narrative.
The media, by and large, is so far to the left that they've lost the American people.
They've lost the days, Mayor, where we could watch ABC, NBC and CBS and not know what the reporters' biases are are long gone.
These people now want to make the news, not report the news.
They want to be the story, not report the story.
And we see it time and time again where they inject themselves to become the story so that they can promote their next book.
They can be the person who decides what is newsworthy.
The American people have lost full confidence in the media and that's why they have somewhere around about an 8% approval rating.
I do believe, Corey, the reason they hate him so much is He's the only candidate, the only person so far that has really stood up to them.
And he's holding a mirror to them, and he's letting them see how corrupt they are.
And they can't stand it.
They've got to get rid of him, because he blows their game.
He blows their power game.
And that's why they hate him in almost an irrational way, which is hard to campaign against, but we've got to do it.
And you're the best at it.
Look at that smile on your face.
It's terrific.
You're a happy warrior.
Well, Mayor, look, he's not just fighting the Democrats.
He's fighting the left-wing media.
He's fighting the never-Trumpers who don't want to see our country succeed.
He's fighting the Democrats.
But what you and I know about Donald John Trump, this guy loves to fight and he always wins.
So I'm on the side of the champ.
And I'm ready to go toe-to-toe with anybody.
We are so fortunate.
I mean, we Americans are so fortunate to have a guy with that spirit because you match his spirit.
And even though Donald Trump is exceptional, and I've known him for 30 years, I always knew how strong he was.
I didn't think he was this strong, but I always knew how strong he was.
Even if you're Donald Trump, you need a few people that you can turn to.
And they're there and they support you and they don't run away.
I mean, most people run away, but you never ran away.
And I know that from having represented him during the impeachment.
This is a guy with a very large pair of, um, well, you know what I mean.
Well, that means a lot coming from you.
Hey, in politics, loyalty is number one and, uh, and I've given up and I know you have too.
No, we both lost money and friends over it, right?
A lot of both, yeah.
and for our families.
And so for the last six years, I have not questioned one second of my time supporting
this candidate.
And I know that my children are going to grow up in a better place because of it.
No, we've both lost money and friends over it, right?
A lot of it.
Yeah.
A lot of both.
A lot of both.
Yeah.
And I don't question it for a minute because I think maybe one of the things we don't convey
well enough is he's really doing this because he loves this country.
This guy really loves America.
And he's the only president in my lifetime, except for Ronald Reagan, that operated from that premise.
Ronald Reagan operated from the premise of, I put America first, I love America, then I figure everything else out.
And that's what we need to bring our country together.
Well, you're so right.
And look, you know, Ronald Reagan had a big impact on my life.
I named my son after him.
His name is Reagan, after our president.
Uh, if I had another one, maybe I'd call him Trump.
I'm not sure.
But, uh, Ronald Reagan has been my mentor and my hero since I was seven years old and I didn't know what politics was.
And now to have the opportunity to have a small role in helping this president be successful.
One of the biggest roles, my friend.
One of the biggest roles and one of the people he depends on the most.
And we had the honor of talking to him, Corey Lewandowski.
And we'll be checking back with you throughout because this man knows how to win.
And he's demonstrated it.
And we're very lucky to have him on the side of protecting America.
Thank you very much, Corey.
And my best to your family.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mayor.
And a belated Happy Father's Day.
Same to you.
Well, that was a really interesting interview with a guy who made history and I think is
going to do it again, Corey Lewandowski.
I think you can see why.
You can see, you can see the personality.
You can see the drive.
You know, I meant to mention—a lot of people demean Corey, as they do me and everybody else that supports—that supports Donald Trump, but Corey Lewandowski is quite a well-educated man.
Corey has a bachelor's degree.
He's got a master's degree in political science.
He graduated the New Hampshire Policing School.
He graduated the Sea Cadet School.
He has experience in law enforcement.
He's got significant experience in business and politics.
This is a very, very well-rounded young man.
And, of course, he presents himself on television with a special quality that's quite honest, a quality of optimism and a quality of great love and patriotism for the country and complete confidence in our president.
Because, like a few of us, he's really gotten to know the president.
And I will tell you, we hurt.
We hurt for when the president is attacked the way he is, because we know he can take it.
But we know no matter who you are, it has to hurt you.
It has to hurt your family.
And he doesn't deserve it.
He doesn't deserve it.
All he's trying to do is what's best for this country.
Sure, he makes mistakes.
Everybody does.
But it comes out of a love for this country, not out of the kind of cynicism we see with the Democratic Party attempting to nominate a man who can't get out of the basement.
I mean, how can you possibly consider putting an impaired person in the White House in a time of domestic turmoil and international trouble?
Very, very sad what's happened to the Democratic Party.
And I know this is very self-serving as a Republican, but this country needs for the Democratic Party to get strongly rejected in 2020.
The best thing for the Democratic Party?
They'll go back and they'll reform themselves, as political parties do when they get rejected, as they did back in the 80s and then got Clinton.
So I'm asking you to really participate in this election, and we will keep bringing you people that have insights into it and that can get beyond the headlines and tell you what's really going on.
But Corey Lewandowski is one of the best, and I thank him very much.
And we'll be back very, very shortly with another episode.
Thank you very much for watching.
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