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Aug. 2, 2018 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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Oh, then tell me, Sean O 'Farrell, tell me why you hurry so.
Hush-a-woopal, hush and listen, and his cheeks were all aglow.
I bear orders from the captain, get you ready quick and soon, for the pikes must be together by the rising of the moon.
By the rising of the moon, by the rising of the moon, For the bikes must be together by the rising of the moon.
Oh, then tell me, Sean O'Farrell, where the gathering is to be, In the old spot by the river, right, well known to you and me.
One more door for signal, token, whistle, up the marching tune, For your bike upon your shoulder, by the...
Greetings from the Northwest homeland, comrades.
It's Thursday, August 2nd, 2018.
I'm Andy Donner, and you're listening to Radio Free Northwest.
The rising of the moon, out from many a mud-walled cabin eyes, we're watching through the night.
Many a man, the chest was throbbing for the blessed warming light.
Wars passed along the valleys like the man she's lonely crew, and a thousand blades were flashing at the rising of the moon.
At the rising of the moon, at the rising of the moon.
And a thousand blades were flashing at the rising of the moon.
Before I really get going, I will say that yes, we are still here.
Party email is still functional, and the party P.O. box does still work.
Those of you who have continued to send in donations and other forms of support, I want to let you all know how deeply we all appreciate that here.
Your support is critical to the party's function, and do please continue to carry on.
It's true that email communication going out seems to have ceased.
That's a decision we've made based on how badly that system was working before.
It will come back once we're ready to do it right.
Your understanding and patience in this matter is appreciated.
And now for the big reveal.
It should come as no surprise that I, Andy Donner, have inherited Harold Covington's position with the Northwest Front.
That being the case, though, I am in fact not the leader of the party.
I'll let you ponder that while I play a couple more eulogy items that were sent in last minute.
Hello, this is Gus Gruhl.
I want to thank Mr. Covington for all his work promoting the Northwest Imperative.
Listening to the entire catalog of RFN was an experience filled with so many valuable lessons.
I am honored Mr. Covington allowed me to do some minor work for the Northwest Front.
He occasionally included a comic I made in his mailings.
Some of the most important advice I gathered from an old RFN.
Harold answered a letter from a young mom asking about how to raise her child as a National Socialist.
While I can't remember the exact words, Harold said, The best way to raise your child as a National Socialist is to raise your child.
Bon voyage, Mr. Covington.
We will continue to carry the fire.
Greetings, comrades.
This is the trucker coming at you from a little rest area just west of Soldier's Summit in Utah on U.S. 6. I got the tragic news here this last week, and I've spent a good portion of my time trying to figure out what I was going to say.
Not real elegant with words here, but here goes.
If you were wanting a meeting with him, I guess you should have got off your butts and made at least your scouting trip and came out here.
That being said, every week I look forward to new words of wisdom from the great man himself.
I didn't join up or start participating in this just for a meeting with him.
I never got a one-on-one.
Never was after a one-on-one.
I'm just white and glad I ended up coming out here.
Like I say, I didn't end up making the migration like many of you will.
I was already out here because I like the area and all that.
I'm not sure why you haven't at least made your scouting trip, if not your move, yet.
I've thrown many opportunities out here about thoughts about jobs and careers and whatnot.
Don't know what else to say on that one.
The rest of us are still out here waiting on your arrival.
Not sure what's going to end up happening as far as the podcast.
I'm hoping it will continue.
I'll keep making my submissions.
Like I say, I'm still out here on the road going back and forth hoping to see some of you making your scouting trips and your migration.
Easy way to spot me.
Hey, I'm an old fart white guy, and of his semi.
Yeah, I know that doesn't narrow it down much, but got a white doggie with me?
Anyway, enough with the humor on this solemn occasion.
I'm going to miss getting fresh words of wisdom from the great man himself.
I will still be tuning in.
Like I say, I will still be making my submissions, hoping that some of you will actually make it out here.
So, that being said, given my limited technology base here, and my email only lets me go and submit about five minutes worth of recording, not sure how to do it any other way, but I know I've got this down, so this is the way it goes.
But anyway.
I'm at a loss for words.
Other than that, I will cherish the times I got to meet Mr. Covington, either in Envelope putting together segments and stuff with the monthly newsletter on the few occasions I got to do that, and the other meetings with other comrades that we got to do out there in our area.
But anyway, Mr. Covington, you'll be sorely missed.
Rest in peace, sir.
This is the Trucker signing off from Utah.
Alright, as I said earlier, I am in fact not the leader of the Northwest Front.
I did inherit Harold's position, but neither was he leader of the Northwest Front, and he readily told you all so several times.
The reason for this is, firstly, he has no followers, and consequently I have no followers.
Without being too disparaging of you all, we have had some issue in convincing everyone to do what they need to do, and come home and support the party here where they're needed.
Our long-term listeners will recall that Harold said repeatedly, he's just not the party leader.
We're actually looking for the Northwest version of George Lincoln Rockwell or Adolf Hitler or whoever we need to get this job done.
And to be perfectly blunt, the party is still looking.
In the grand scheme of things, Harold's position was that of the keeper of the Northwest Imperative, and that specifically is what I've inherited.
It's my job to keep the party going, and because of that, as I said, I do owe you all a status update.
Now briefly, the status update is as follows.
As I said, we're still here, party email still works, and the P.O. Box still operates.
And obviously the party website is working or you wouldn't be hearing me right now.
Where we're going is, well, still in flux.
I'm happy to report that the local comrades are doing their utmost to assist me in transitioning through this difficult time, and we are slowly getting our hands around the situation.
For likely the next couple of months, that's largely where we're going to be.
It's true that Harold did have his affairs in as much order as someone could, though we had expected to have at least a few more years before this sort of thing came to pass.
That being the case, I must candidly admit we were caught off guard, but it is absolutely our intention to keep the party functional to support the Butler Plan, because the Butler Plan is the only viable solution to white genocide on the North American continent.
That being the case, the actual status report I have to give you, brief though it is, is that not a whole lot has really changed.
Okay, that may seem a little bit flippant or casual or disassociative on my part, and I assure you it isn't.
In fact, it's the most appropriate thing I have to say, and the most appropriate thing really I could say right now.
You see, the party really has hit that wall, and we do need serious concrete support from motivated adults who are going to make it their life's purpose to support the Northwest Imperative here in the homeland where they should be.
I do want to apologize if the lack of outgoing communication from the party has caused anyone any undue stress or angst or concern, especially because so many of you go out of your way to send in very significant support of all sorts, and again, that is truly appreciated, especially in this trying time.
In the near future, I do promise you that we will pick things back up, but for the time being, it might be most appropriate for us simply to consolidate what we've got going on here.
Again, I realize I may sound lackadaisical, but that's absolutely not the case.
Perhaps the most important thing I could impress on you all right now is that Harold really didn't hold anything back, and a number of times he even made the remark on Radio Free Northwest that he'd more or less said what he came here to say.
I'm not quite in the same position myself right now, but I'm getting close.
We really are hitting the point where each and every one of you at all interested in halting white genocide on the North American continent absolutely must commit to coming home and helping the party.
I know that over the last couple of years, we've genuinely become a broken record on that subject, and I wish, again, I had something else to tell you, but I do quite literally seem to have inherited Harold's not just position with the party, but also his purpose, and that is to say things people don't want to hear because they're difficult, even if true.
There is an elephant in the room, so to speak, and I can't shy away from it.
More than a handful of you are going to be very unhappy that I've inherited Harold's role.
Well, in a lot of ways that, let's face it, don't matter at this point, I agree with you.
For one, I'm not the Northwest George Lincoln Rockwell, and I never will be.
And for two, well, this isn't the way I plan things either, but here I am, doing what I must.
And speaking of doing what I must, most of the people unhappy to see me in this position didn't do the things I did.
They didn't come home, they didn't support the party, all they did was Dutch uncle and theorycraft from afar.
If one of you out there thinks you can do a better job, I have no problem with you trying to replace me, though there are going to be some caveats associated with that.
Firstly, you need to come here where I am so the people operating the party can get a good long look at you, and you need to make the same contributions I made over the same period of time I made them so that we can all actually get to know you.
I do want to emphasize that quite literally anybody who had done what I did and made the contributions I've made could have ended up in this position.
And I'll be very blunt, just as Harold was blunt, somebody else out there is more suited to this.
I'm happy to be here doing what I need to do, but as I've said, I am not the leader of the Northwest Front.
And since this is the time for being blunt, I have to observe I seem to run into a lot of the same problems Harold ran into, both in white nationalism and within the Northwest Front in particular.
And that's that somebody will become incredibly upset at something he or I would say, no matter how true it is, and instead of adjusting themselves accordingly and emulating our behavior, which is what's necessary to halt white genocide on this continent, they will dutch uncle or theorycraft or whine at us from afar.
If nothing else, now is a real good time in your life and in the life of the party to make a different choice.
And with that, my better judgment is telling me to let the subject lie until further in the future.
*music*
In my hands, I hold the ashes In my veins, black pitch bronze In my chest,
fire catches In my way, set in the sun Dark clouds gather round me To the west,
my soul is bound And I will go on a head frame There's a light yet to be found Last pale light in the West Last pale
light in the West No redemption in this gold,
barry flame.
Still I see a faint reflection.
So bad yet, got my way Last playing light in the West Last playing light in the West Last playing light in the West
Greetings, guys.
Comrades, this is the trucker coming at you from Caldwell, Idaho, just west of Boise, and it is currently here in the low 80s, due to get up into the upper 90s today, and it's Monday, July 23rd.
It's a nice, gorgeous, cloudless sky.
Not sure why you're not moseying out here to check this out.
I figure I'd just go and throw something else out here to go and let you know what the weather's like out here.
Haven't seen any rain clouds.
It's been nice so far today, driving across Idaho here on I-84.
Just another gorgeous day out here in the homeland.
Really need to make your scouting trip out here to go and check it out.
I'm not sure where you plan on settling at, but if you are coming out here, if the interstate has got more than...
Four lanes across?
Or, I mean, two lanes going each direction.
I mean, is what I'm trying to say.
It'll probably be an area to go and stay away from.
Like Boise.
Or Seattle.
Or Tacoma.
Or Portland.
Ew, what a...
Yeah, I'm not overly a big fan of Portland areas.
I mean, yes, the City of Roses is a nice place, but all the liberals and Democrats out here kind of make it not a very nice place to be around.
They got way too many leeches out here that think they are better than everybody else, no matter what color they are.
Got, like I say, a bunch of liberals, a bunch of leeches, a bunch of Democrats.
And, yeah, they kind of screw up a nice area.
Make it not a nice encountering.
He leaves a bad taste in your mouth like a neighbor of mine across the street.
Yeah, he thinks he's better than everybody else.
All right, well, this is the trucker with a little quickie here that they go and use to fill in where you need to to go and round out a podcast.
Well, this is the Trucker, signing off from Idaho on a nice, gorgeous summer day here in the homeland.
Hope to see you out here on the road, making your scouting trip and, better yet, your migration soon.
Have a good one, comrades, and drive safely.
Greetings, comrades.
This is the trucker coming at you from northern Utah, about 17 miles from the edge of the homeland, getting ready to bounce across Idaho, heading to Washington for delivery on Tuesday.
This is Monday, the 23rd of July.
A little weather report from my neck of the woods up there in the homeland.
It's been 58 degrees overnight in Fremerton, where I live at.
It's due to get up to in the mid-80s in my neck of the woods, so just thought I'd throw that one in.
And for those of you that are doing, like, Rico, who was on last week, doing the RV thing, a lot of the larger truck stop chains, like the TAs, the Petros, some of the Flying Jays and Pilots, I don't think Love's does it quite so much.
A lot of those truck stops do have RV parking.
I mean, it's not like an RV park, but you can go and wheel in there and be able to sleep overnight in a fairly safe and secure area.
Most of the times it's free.
A lot of the truck stops up there in the greater Seattle area end up charging for parking spots.
Now, we do have a TA up there in North Bend that does have an RV area that is free.
Some of the truck stop parking is reserved parking, where you end up paying, I'm not sure how much it is to park there overnight for a 24-hour stint, but I just thought I'd throw that in there.
But a lot of the other truck stops up there in the Seattle area, like...
Ernie's there in Kent, the Mustard Sea down by Sumner, Donna's truck stop up north of Seattle, they all end up charging to park.
The Love's truck stop there in Tacoma area is a freebie one.
They don't have any charged parking there.
I think there's areas like a double pull-through car spot that you can go and be able to park an RV in.
I'd stay away from the truck side because, in that truck stop anyway, because the truckers there, I'm sorry, they are morons.
They are idiots.
They cannot drive for crap.
I've seen way too many hoods torn off trucks because people can't park there because it's so small and congested of a space.
Yeah, I would not recommend parking on the truck side, especially in that truck stop.
It's just ridiculous.
So anyway, some of the other truck stops, they don't end up charging to park there in that neck of the woods, but the ones I mentioned are the ones I could think of off the top of my head that do.
But anyway, if y 'all are going to be coming up here with an RV, be it either a small motorhome or pulling a travel trailer, yeah, we do have a few RV parks up here in this area.
You'll have to go and check around to see which one would suit you best.
So anyway, this is the Trucker signing off from northern Utah.
Be over up there in Idaho here in a few minutes.
But I just had to go and pull over, let the doggie out, do her thing.
So, anyway.
Alright, this is Trucker, signing off from northern Utah.
Hoping to see you out here on the road, making your scouting trip and your migrations soon.
Music playing.
We've got a long way to go.
Any short time you get there, I'm whisked down just a bunch of bandits run.
*Screams*
*Music*
Good evening, comrades.
Tonight I'm going to be discussing the anti-racist training by David Wright.
Now, this is a Unitarian Universalist satire.
Now, the Unitarian Universalists are something of a New England phenomenon, and they represent a merger of two churches that emerged in 1961.
Initially, of these two churches, one of them, the Unitarians, they were a non-Trinitarian congregation, I guess you'd call them that, rejected notions of original sin.
So once you reject the notion of original sin, you're pretty much wide open for anything because really without original sin, there really is no particular need for a savior.
So there's no particular reason to stick with Christianity at that point.
And then also the Universalists.
And this group was a bit different.
They believed in universal salvation through Christ, so they were against the notion of an elect group that would be saved.
So you had these two groups, and the Universalists, of course, were much more conventional in terms of actually being a Christian group.
But particularly, you know, when these groups wound up merging in 1961, really the Unitarian aspect really took over.
And what happened is that you have this congregation, which is now very much a congregation of seekers.
So these are individuals that may identify with...
Buddhism for three months, and then they may decide that they want to experiment with Jehovah Witness for a couple of months, and so it's a very fluid kind of a congregation.
Now, over time, this seems to have been particularly true in the 1970s, but it may have also been true in the 60s.
This particular congregation became very much a haven for Jews, who for some reason didn't want to go to the synagogue anymore.
And I'm not really sure why this happened.
I don't know if it was because some of them perhaps were divorced and maybe their synagogue didn't like that, or if they just wanted something less strict.
and less defined than actually going to synagogue.
The Unitarian Church, it's really open to anyone.
Anyone can decide that they want to be Unitarian.
There really are no particular dogmas or steadfast creed within the church.
Everyone sort of has to make up their own mind.
So I will say that it certainly fosters independence of thought.
Now, over time, particularly in the 80s, for example, 80s and 90s, the Unitarian Church became more and more interested in things like multiculturalism, social justice, and anti-racism.
And this book...
The book satirizes the inner workings, particularly of the Unitarian Universalist magazine.
And I know they had a magazine at one point, and they may still, because I know that certainly my parents were involved in this church at one point, and they both came from a Catholic background, but they decided back perhaps in the late 50s that they were interested in a more sort of open-minded type.
of church, and certainly anyone would find that in the Unitarian church.
They used to get a subscription to the Unitarian magazine, and I'm not really sure.
In this book, they're talking about how the magazine transitioned from non-racist and multicultural to actually anti-racist.
Now, you might wonder, what is the difference between multicultural, for example, and anti-racist?
Well, multicultural is when you're comparing different cultures, you're talking about different cultures, or you're influenced by different cultures.
And anti-racist is actually when you're attempting to gain a socioeconomic equality between different cultures.
So if you want to talk about, you know, Nigeria versus Ireland, for example, and you just want to compare them, contrast them, and it's in a...
If you want to make Nigeria, for example, equal to the UK in terms of socioeconomic status, then you're actually talking about anti-racism.
Now, this book also goes into these theories of white privilege.
It attempts to give some theories about why a white person would buy into white privilege, even if they're not terribly privileged in their personal lives.
One reason to believe in this would be if you, for example, let's say that you're not rich, but someone says, well, you're rich and you're privileged.
To say that you're not privileged and not rich, for example, in America especially, this would indicate that you've failed at something.
If you ought to be rich and privileged and you're not really making it terribly well, this is an indication that despite having this advantage that should be significant, you really haven't made it.
So that would be admitting failure.
Another possibility might simply be that you're in a seminar that you had to go to for your job, for example, and you're dealing, there are HR people there, and there are anti-racist training people there.
The possibility is that you might simply agree with them because essentially you fear them.
You fear for your job, you fear for being harassed, and so whatever they say, you'll sort of go along with it.
Now, personally, I believe that this notion of white privilege, it's not so much whether it's right or wrong, but what it really is is a signal of ideology.
So it's similar to if someone went around during the 1980s and they were always saying, just say no to drugs, you would know that that person was...
A Reaganite conservative, for example, because that's what Nancy Reagan always used to say.
So while most mainstream people, whether they're Republicans or Democrats or anything else, are going to be essentially anti-drug or will say they're anti-drug or will literally be anti-drug, the people who would just say no would be Reaganites.
So that would be an ideological signal.
It wouldn't necessarily be...
Entirely or simply their view on drug use.
So in this book, the various editors of this magazine, they really don't stay long.
There's a lot of turnover in the magazine because it's very hard to be a white editor in this magazine, even if you're Jewish, because some of the characters in this book are Jewish.
The other thing is that the white characters in this book are always, they're very glad if they could find some remote ancestor in their genealogy who was perhaps maybe Jewish or some other ethnicity or racial background because the white characters in this book, they really don't want to be white because they don't, you know, they're concerned that they have too many privileges and so forth.
So this is very much something of an encapsulation of what the Unitarian Church is like.
Not that I have anything so much against this group, aside from the fact that they're very ambivalent as to who they are and what they believe.
They're quite amorphous on that.
Again, I've been discussing The Anti-Racist Training by David Reich, and this is a book that doesn't really have much of a conclusion.
It just gives you sort of a snapshot as to what the Unitarian Church is like.
And of course, it may exaggerate some things.
I'm really not sure because I haven't been an editor in that magazine per se.
I actually think there is a certain accuracy in this book, I would suspect.
So, have a good evening.
Thank you very much for listening and hail victory comrades.
Thank you.
At those fearless men, the few Before the fight, so that freedom's light Might shine through the foggy dew Before the fight, so that freedom's light Might shine through the foggy dew Might shine through the foggy dew Might shine through the foggy dew
Might shine through the foggy dew you you Thank you.
The media haven't answered.
The Southern Poverty Law Center.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, based in that building in Alabama, calls itself the premier group monitoring hate groups.
Looking at their map of such groups, you'd think America was consumed by hate.
I once believed in the center's mission.
Well-meaning people still do.
Apple just gave them a million dollars.
But what donors don't know is that today the Center smears people who don't deserve to be smeared.
The presence of radical Islam.
This woman grew up in Somalia, suffered female genital mutilation, so now she speaks out against radical Islam.
For that, the Center put her on its list.
Multiculturalism failed these communities.
This man was once an Islamic extremist, but then he decided radical Islam was wrong, and now he criticizes the radicals.
The center labels him an anti-Muslim extremist, too.
Join the fight against hate and bigotry.
Visit sblcenter.org.
I do think that we have a problem with hate in this country.
We put about ten of these major hate groups out of business.
The center's leaders, Richard Cohen and Morris Dees, would not talk to me.
So commentator Nomiki Kant stepped up to defend them.
They have a history, a long history of fighting against extremists like the KKK.
History, yes.
But they labeled skeptical Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali as haters.
If you have a horrible experience with religion, that's one thing.
It's another thing to use those experiences as ammunition against others who are practicing their religion peacefully.
But they're just speaking, criticizing it.
Of course she has the right to free speech, as does the Southern Poverty Law Center has a right to push back.
We can stand together against hate.
The center also calls the Family Research Council a hate group.
The definition of a marriage is what it's been for 5,000 years.
It's the union of a man and a woman.
I often disagree with the council myself.
But do they belong in this hate map?
When they don't agree with you politically, they're going to list you as a hater.
You are haters.
You hate gays.
No, I don't hate gay people.
And I know gay people, and I have worked with gay people.
But once you're labeled a hate group, you become a target.
Developing now word of a shooting at the Family Research Council there in Washington.
One man was so enraged by what the center said about the Family Research Council, he went to their headquarters to kill people.
A man shot a security guard in the arm.
Fortunately, that guard stopped the man.
Before he could shoot anyone else.
He told the judge that he was there to kill as many of us as possible because we were a hate group.
The council's offices were attacked by a guy with a gun.
I mean, they don't deserve this.
There's always extremists out there, and it's unfortunately the world that we live in, and, you know, hopefully people can kind of separate that.
The center also smears the Ruth Institute, a Christian group that believes gays should not have an equal right to adopt children.
They're not haters.
I have no problem with gay people.
That's not the issue.
The issue is, what are we doing with kids and the definition of who counts as a parent?
What if a gay couple had a civil union and adopted kids?
There could be cases where the best person for a particular child would be their Uncle Harry and his boyfriend.
You know, that could be.
But we owe it to the children to give them the best we can, which generally is a married mother and father.
So you're a hater.
When the center put her on its hate map, the Ruth Institute's bank sent her this letter.
We've determined that you're an organization that promotes hate, violence, harassment, and so therefore we're not doing business with you.
And we went and checked our website and we were already down.
The Ruth Institute and the Family Research Council are still on the hate list.
There's no appeal.
I sure don't know how you get off.
I suspect the center keeps its hate list long, because crying hate brings in lots of money.
Morris Deese's salary is more than my entire annual budget.
So yeah, whatever they're doing, it pays.
Years ago, Harper's Magazine reported that the center is the wealthiest civil rights group in America, one that spent most of its time and money on a fundraising campaign.
Now, Morris Dees did once promise to stop fundraising once his endowment hit $55 million.
But when he reached $55 million, he changed that to $100 million, saying that would allow them to cease costly fundraising.
But when they reached $100 million, they didn't stop.
Today.
They have an endowment that now is over $320 million, much of which is in offshore camps, Caymans and places like that.
How do you know?
Oh, we look at their 990s.
And it says Cayman Islands?
Yeah.
They pay some of their people more than $400,000 a year.
Well, you know, it's 2017.
It costs a lot of money to exist in this world.
Give me a break.
The Southern Poverty Law Center now lists people like Ben Carson, Laura Ingram, and Jeanne Pirro as extremists.
But it doesn't list Antifa, the hate group that beats up people on the right.
The center has become a hate group itself.
It's now a left-wing, money-grabbing, slander machine.
Law Center is an entirely fraudulent enterprise.
The organization has nothing to do with the South or with poverty.
It's a left-wing political group that uses hate crime designations to target its ideological enemies and to crush people.
In 2012, the SPLC inspired a shooting attack on the Family Research Council by labeling the innocuous Christian organization a hate group.
Just last month, the SPLC paid $3.3 million for falsely calling the Quilliam Foundation, quote, anti-Muslim extremists.
We could go on.
The Southern Poverty Law Center lies.
They are utterly reckless and they're totally dishonest.
With that in mind, it was shocking to discover, as jaded as we are, and this show has discovered it exclusively, that the FBI...
has a long history of collaborating with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
In 2009, for example, the FBI called the SPLC, quote, a well-known, established, incredible organization that monitors domestic terrorism in the U.S. The SPLC repeatedly has been allowed to brief FBI personnel on alleged terror threats to this country.
Disturbingly, though, this relationship is ongoing, if you can believe it.
Despite multiple requests from this program, the FBI has refused to describe the extent of its collaboration with the SPLC.
We've asked repeatedly or even to explain why it continues to work with a group like that.
Instead, we've received meaningless and mindless boilerplate statements like this one.
For many years, the FBI has engaged with various organizations, both formally and informally.
Such outreach is a critical component of the FBI's mission, and we welcome information from these organizations on any possible violation of civil rights, hate crimes, or other potential crimes or threats.
We do, however, evaluate our relationships with these groups as necessary to ensure the appropriateness of any interaction.
Again, mindless pap that does not answer the question.
We can report tonight that Congressman Matt Gaetz of Florida has sent a letter to FBI leadership asking them to explain their relationship with the SPLC, which is obviously very troubling, to put it mildly.
Then tonight, the DOJ gave us another statement.
This one said, quote, the attorney general has directed the FBI to reevaluate their relationships with groups like this, the SPLC, to ensure the FBI does not partner with any group that discriminates, end quote, as the SPLC certainly does.
Majid Nawaz is the founder of Quilliam.
He just received that settlement we mentioned from the SPLC after they libeled him as an extremist.
He's also the author of a tremendous book called Radical, My Journey Out of Islamist Extremism.
Majid Nawaz joins us tonight.
Thanks very much for coming on.
So it was partly from watching what they did to you that had us asking the question, well, you know, to what extent are they involved with the federal government?
And we discovered this.
But tell our viewers who maybe haven't followed this as close to your experience with the SPLC.
Well, it's curious and fascinating at the same time because I have been born and raised a Muslim.
I spent my teenage years, in fact, with an Islamist organization seeking to enforce Sharia law in Muslim majority societies because I got radicalized.
I ended up as a political prisoner in Egypt for my beliefs.
And it was in jail that I reformed my views and came out vowing to challenge Islamist extremism and founded Quilliam in 2008 and have been doing so now for 10 years.
And the Southern Poverty Law Center decided to compile a list of what they deemed as anti-Muslim extremists and the oddity, the sheer oddity of placing a Muslim.
On a list of anti-Muslim extremists is what led me to then say I need justice in this case because my entire life, Tucker, has been defined by my struggle and I got it wrong initially.
I've been open about that.
I wrote about it in my book.
My struggle to find a place for Muslims in the West that is at home with the West.
And so to undermine my entire life's work by placing me on a list of anti-Muslim extremists, I found a step too far, and that's why I went to lawyers and got advice, and it's why we took the action we did.
And I can say, as someone who's interviewed scores of people like you, I think you are one of the most restrained and thoughtful and reasonable people on this topic I've ever interviewed.
So to call you an extremist is very odd and dishonest.
So what effect did it have on you?
Once a group like this defines you as an extremist, I mean, that's got to hurt Your foundation, I would think.
Well, first of all, I've got to say it places a target on the heads.
Look, it's no secret.
It's already hard enough for Muslim reformers, liberal Muslim reformers, to speak out against extremism within our communities.
People that do so are often targeted and often killed.
There was a similar list that was published in Bangladesh against so-called Muslim heretics, and many of them were knocked off, assassinated by jihadists because they were deemed to be blasphemous or heretical.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who has since sought refuge in the United States of America.
Her close friend, a film director, Theo van Gogh, was murdered on the streets of Amsterdam.
And then a list was stabbed into his body and it named Ayaan as being next.
That's what we're up against here.
And so the first thing it did is it placed me in grave danger.
It placed Ayaan Hirsi Ali in grave danger because she was also named on this list.
But it also had material consequences.
When they did what they did, the reason they produced these lists is to convince media and to convince philanthropists and foundations not to...
To give grants to these sorts of people or these organizations.
And it did have those kind of material consequences for us as well.
And it's why we couldn't just lie back and take this at face value as it was.
We had to take action.
And I'm glad that you did.
And the fact that our FBI is collaborating with a group this discredited and reckless is really scary.
Thank you very much for your account.
I appreciate that.
And congratulations on winning.
You deserve it.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Unfortunately, that's all the show we've got for you today, ladies and gentlemen.
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