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Oct. 31, 2017 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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Greetings from Seattle.
Andy Donner here with what has turned into TheoryCraft Part 2. At this point, a slight recap is appropriate since this has become very drawn out.
My shortcast on TheoryCraft prompted a troll to ask a particular question.
That question was, if Andy Donner is so right, then why isn't the Northwest Front successful?
I posed this question to you all and asked for your answers.
Thank you for all of those, by the way.
I got several responses and I appreciate each of them.
In fact, one or two even went a couple places I hadn't thought to take the discussion, and I'll definitely pull their material in as needed.
I apologize for the length of time it's taken me to produce this material.
This ended up being the most important material I've produced to date, and I needed to get it right.
Additionally, I can't complete this talk without bringing up Bob Whitaker and the white genocide mantra.
Doing so shortly after his death would have resulted in all manner of wailing and gnashing of teeth from what would seem to be the entire white nationalist movement.
The fact that I have nothing bad to say about him wouldn't really matter, either, due to the overall subject matter I have to deal with, so I waited.
The trouble is that I really need to wrap this up before moving on to other things, so there was a bit of a lull in my production.
Thank you all for your patience.
Before I really get going, there are some quick points I need to make.
No one submitted a wrong answer.
Also, this troll question could easily be nothing more than a verbose variation of Neener Neener.
Even so, there's a very real and universal assumption underpinning the trolling, and addressing it is a major part of dealing with the white character issue.
There's a real problem that needs addressing, and I'll prove that when I introduce my own answer to the troll.
As with the previous TheoryCraft talk, I'm going a few different places today, so I'm going to give you an overview right now.
First, I wanted to cover the answers that didn't quite match mine because they're still perfectly good and deserve some attention.
Then, I need to spend a little time talking about the definition of success, since one of your answers in particular brought that up.
Then, I need to cover my own response to the troll question, as well as the answers two of you provided which match mine.
From that point on, I need to expound on various aspects of my answer and how they relate to developing discernment as it relates to ending white genocide, which was always my actual purpose.
So, the answers that didn't quite line up with mine.
Note that this doesn't mean they're wrong.
Everyone made valid points in their own right, and one of them was actually pretty forward-thinking.
This guy pointed out that, unlike joining any other movement or activity group, when someone participates in the Northwest Imperative, they come home, and then what?
Ideally, there would be some sort of orientation or other mechanism to get someone up to speed.
I do have one minor correction, though.
Strictly speaking, the party gives instruction and points you in the direction of learning materials all the time, but very few make the effort to follow up.
Back to the matter at hand.
What is being suggested here is actually a perfectly good point, but doing so has requirements.
It would require the party infrastructure that the white nationalist movement has decided not to create, at the cost of allowing white genocide to continue unabated.
It also requires those coming home to either relocate to an established primary settlement area or be willing to spend a certain portion of their free time on weekends and the like attending the orientation after traveling where they need to be.
Oh, and this would be training, not socializing.
And yes, it would require everyone involved to tolerate inconvenience and a certain amount of sacrifice, because white genocide isn't going to wait on your weekend plans.
But I've wandered away from the point.
I originally had a miniature talk on just this topic because, as I said, this guy's response deserves an honorable mention, but I know I don't have the time today.
I'll make a quick note and leave it be.
The party goes out of our way to recommend additional resources, because we know from our own experience that they're important.
During the year it took me to come home, I spent large portions of my free time consuming these resources.
Believe it or not, they would make up a large part of the orientation we would like to give new settlers.
If you're especially interested, you could take care of most of this on your own.
I'd say more, but that's the sort of thing that needs to be handled face-to-face rather than over RFN.
No, nothing illegal, just not something to talk about openly.
Someone else pointed out that the people attracted to the white nationalist movement are human garbage.
And yeah, there's something to that.
I've observed this before, but aside from the obvious games players are outright defectives, there's still something wrong with the vast majority of people interested in white nationalism.
Most white nationalists are looking for something from the movement, rather than to contribute to it.
Without going into detail, there's an awful lot that people do to automatically fail the party's vetting, and a large part of it comes down to being needy or looking for friends rather than attempting to participate in actual white nationalist politics.
I know, I know, we're jerks.
Well, yeah, but it's for a reason.
Two of the submitted answers pointed out that most white nationalists are perfectly happy to keep to their own business and go along to get along despite their nationalism.
As one of you put it, White people simply can't be bothered to take anonymous, legal, and safe actions which would put them in a position to help the party.
Another of you, in almost the same line of thought, pointed out that white people are largely too comfortable.
I don't quite know how much longer that line of thought will hold up since it's been repeated for so many years, but it's still worth bringing up.
And it goes without saying that there's always the issue of someone being upset that the party isn't doing well but simultaneously refusing to participate.
This one is a bit obvious, but it has its place.
I bring it up now rather than at the beginning because this issue of things not being bad enough, or someone not being miserable enough, starts to show itself for what it really is in light of how long those explanations have been proffered.
If someone is truly disturbed enough at the global plight of the white race, they'd get involved.
And not just the alt-right sort of involved where you do nothing but shitposts to other dumbasses all day, but rather involvement with the single viable plan which could actually end white genocide.
And yes, one of you did point out that if someone actually wanted to truly help our race, they'd be here, in the Pacific Northwest, working the Butler Plan with us.
Now, if you haven't heard your answer yet, don't worry.
I'm going to cover more.
Right now, though, I need to perform some analysis on the answers I've mentioned so far.
Like I said, no one submitted a wrong answer, so please don't stress over what you think I'm about to say.
It's quite the opposite, actually.
I have a reputation for being a hardass about most things because I insist that people must be held accountable for their bad behavior even if they don't know it's bad.
In order for me to be consistent with my own standards, I have to commend people who do the right thing, even if they don't know it's right or do know it's right but aren't sure exactly why.
Those of you who submitted the answers I've covered so far ended up inadvertently writing the answers to what some have called the question behind the question.
That is, you answered the question, why?
There's this little thing Harold and I keep asking you all to do.
You know, that fearless and searching moral inventory.
You'll recall from past RFNs that the homecomings we've seen so far are the result of someone actually thinking through the issue of whether or not the Butler Plan is the only option our race has left.
When you think that through and act on the obvious conclusion, you'll end up here with us.
A part of thinking that through, though, is challenging your own reasons for not doing what you know you need to do.
If someone were to honestly keep asking themselves why, as a part of this process, their answers would more or less line up with the sequence of answers I've already covered.
Briefly, I once had a conversation on Twitter with a random white nationalist.
I found him lamenting that white people won't do anything, and I shared the Northwest imperative.
He wasn't at all interested, and I decided to press the issue.
He was, thankfully, pretty honest, and something interesting came out of the discussion.
It turns out he was pretty solid on the ethnostate as a concept, but only as far as the way it comes about isn't off-putting to him personally.
He even went so far as to thank me because he didn't realize this was his real motivation.
That's the real issue with most of you not really wanting to go through with that fearless and searching moral inventory.
You're going to find out things about yourself you don't like.
Remember, what I'm saying to you right now is the opposite of theorycraft because I've been there and done that.
And because I've been there and done that, I would hope what I'm about to say will be taken more seriously than anything I've said to date on Radio Free Northwest.
Like I said, this is the most important material I've produced to date, and I need everyone to treat it as such.
You'll see what I mean soon.
Moving on to the remaining two answers.
I mentioned that I wanted to single out one of them for special treatment.
Only one person brought up the issue of what does and does not constitute success.
This is especially important in the era of the alt-right, where success is defined by how much political snake oil you've peddled.
And while this wasn't the exact answer to the troll question I came up with myself, it's certainly worth spending some time on.
Harold and I try to interact with the alt-right on Twitter, and the results are always amusing.
We're frequently told by mysterious and deliberately anonymous figures that we're just pissed off with the alt-right because more successful people are getting larger and larger audiences.
Well, that's partly true, in the sense that Harold and I still don't have a way to make people listen to us over the increasing level of pure noise on the white nationalist internet.
And to be blunt, we've got the only thing white nationalists need to hear right now.
But to call the alt-right successful in any respect is actually somewhat sinister.
White genocide has only accelerated, and it doesn't show any signs of slowing down.
Alt-right success can only mean this is their intent.
Sure, I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but jokes aside, having no concrete objective means that there are no conditions by which you can fail.
This is the only reason the alt-right seems to have accomplished anything at all.
And more importantly, the NF really is succeeding in some substantial ways, but they're difficult to talk about.
Despite being entirely true, this technically constitutes navel-gazing, and that doesn't sit well with the party.
Consequently, I'm going to do this as briefly as I can.
There have been an awful lot of upstart white nationalist entities that have sworn they would see the end of the NF.
They're no longer around.
No entity in white nationalism save the Northwest Front can claim people are up and changing their whole lives in order to participate.
And on that note, the most important success we've achieved is that, on the whole, the NF is the only movement entity which can seriously say, do as we say and as we do.
This is precisely why I wanted to make this point as quickly as I possibly could.
Even though the Northwest Front is seeing genuine success in the areas I've named, we know for a fact that we're so far away from success with our overall goal that we don't sound the fanfare every time we take a step forward.
Unlike every last entity in the alt-right, we actually have a little bit of shame about not doing better, even though we're the only bunch in the movement pursuing an agenda that will actually stop white genocide.
I'd like to go on with examples of this, but I need to make my main point and explain it or else I'll run far too long.
Months back, when I asked for the responses many of you sent me, I told you two things in particular.
One was that I had my own answer to the troll question, which I'll get to in a moment.
The other is that this answer is the key to understanding the pathological mindset which infests the white nationalist movement and has done so for decades.
I even went as far as to say this could easily be THE white pathology.
And I think it is, too.
Now, for the sake of those I've probably put to sleep with my droning, I'll repeat the question again.
If the NF is so right, why isn't it succeeding?
Two of you out there sent me answers which more or less match mine word for word.
You'll both know who you are, and I wish I could commend you more than I will, but doing so will be too much like patting myself on the back.
The error underlying this troll question is that being right doesn't win anything for anyone, ever.
That goes doubly so for anyone with white nationalist politics.
Both of the respondents who made this point brought up the examples of the American Civil War and World War II.
And I suppose that seems just a little bit obnoxious and even pedantic on my part, but the truth of the matter is far more profound than one might think upon first hearing it.
As it turns out, all white people.
And not just white nationalists have this absolutely goofy notion that being right somehow matters, and this bears some examination.
Is that a fair sort of thing for me to say?
Do white people suffer from this pathological outlook?
Well, yes.
This is the reason I'm bothering to respond to the troll at all, and it's the reason I wanted to involve as much of the RFN audience as was willing to participate.
Notice that only two of you submitted my answer.
I'm going to really rev up in a minute or so, but let me at least give some anecdotal evidence of this in order to force through the initial wave of disagreement I'm sure is building up right about now.
I'll bring up two more incredibly interesting Twitter conversations I had just prior to releasing this talk.
These both, by the way, come from massively popular alt-right accounts with two orders of magnitude more followers than either Harold or I have.
This directly goes into the subject of waking people up, which I'll address later today.
The first of these accounts made the claim that even though our ancestors died on the battlefields, all we have to do is make people woke to the JQ, which I'll also address later.
That should obviously be wrong to anyone who thinks through it, but the fact that it's the sole mode of thought on the alt-right is very telling and is proof of the problem I'm addressing today.
Supposedly, that's all that's standing between white people and an amorphous racial victory of some sort.
Us being woke.
I've repeatedly been told that, yes, really, some sort of miracle will manifest itself once this wokeness is achieved.
The other example I want to use is that of another major account pushing the wake-people-up garbage.
I responded that this was outright wrong because there are several times as many white nationalists aware of the Butler Plan than it would take to get it off the ground.
Education accomplished.
His response, and I quote, If that's true, then why hasn't it happened?
Identify his underlying assumption and notice that this fellow, who by all accounts is a sincere white nationalist, more or less asked me the very same troll question which spawned this presentation you're listening to now.
Convinced yet?
I shouldn't keep going down this rabbit hole, but the white pathology shows itself even among the RFN audience.
Not too long before this talk was released, one comment to the party asked Harold a few questions and proceeded to inform us all that, and I quote again, knowing the truth, was more important than coming home.
I can understand that to a certain extent, doubly so from someone new to white nationalism, but it is what it is.
Another memorable RFN comment following the 2012 election remarked on a nonsense gun law Washington State passed by popular vote.
This commenter theorized that it was only because voters here didn't get the right information.
On what basis, may I ask, do we assume that someone correctly informed will make the right choice?
And more importantly, what about non- and quasi-racial whites as a whole?
As it turns out, they don't fare any better.
As I'm about to show, this really is THE white pathology.
Harold has periodically pointed out white people have a love of litigation, and this actually makes a sick sort of sense.
We've got this visceral and instinctual need to prove we're the ones in possession of the actual facts at the expense of everything else.
Three years back, when I was working on my Real Politics talks, I mentioned a pair of books by Carlton Putnam.
The second of these books, Race and Reality, has as its focus the political issues and social conditions which produced the Brown v.
Board trial and the subsequent pseudo-white nationalist fallout thereof.
Putnam used an incredibly odd phrase which I lifted for my Real Politics talks precisely because it is so bizarre, and therefore very memorable.
The phrase is the levy upon honor.
Putnam's intended meaning was that the honor of the court would be at stake if it were to decide against white interests, since the courtroom presentation made it perfectly clear that the case for integration was materially and significantly false in every way.
Well, we all know how that went.
You might think I'm straining at nats here, but Putnam's commentary represented white thinking at the time, so it's eminently appropriate for just this occasion.
Take a moment and recall every single geo- and biopolitical event since the American Civil War.
Ah hell, even a century before that to include the French Revolution.
Being right doesn't matter, and neither does making a good case.
The troll question, though, presupposes exactly the opposite in accordance with the white pathology.
And further, so does the entire white nationalist movement.
Are you obsessed with red-pilling normies?
I hope not.
Not only is that phrase the most cringe-worthy thing we've come up with second only to fashy-goy, but the activity it refers to is entirely beside the point.
For decades, the movement has been focused on nothing but waking people up.
And as a matter of spaced repetition, it's time for me to discuss precisely this.
As pointed out, the white race has a love of being right and litigating their rightness.
White people as a whole instinctively treat their own assumed correctness as some sort of social capital and seemingly consider stumbling upon some important truth to be the most profound thing they could conceive of ever accomplishing.
This is bad, bad, bad, and it needs to stop.
Don't believe me?
I get that.
I really do.
After all, white people are the greatest race the world has ever seen, and there's no way we could get hung up on something so obviously wrong.
Or so we tell ourselves.
Historically, and very much so today, white nationalists have had this idea that there will be some sort of critical mass of exposure or awareness or whatever else, and boom.
Ethnostate.
I spend more time than I care to talking to new alt-writers, and they all assure me if every white person in America were to think like us, our problems would be quickly solved just because the entire political situation would suddenly go our way, and there would suddenly be these new white nationalist laws and forced deportations of every non-white and Jew around.
I'm going to repeat this point several times so that it sinks in at least a little bit.
Winning an argument is not the same as winning a war.
And speaking of winning arguments, it's time I swung around to Bob Whitaker and his body of work.
As much as I dread bringing him up, I have to.
I'm on edge about this because certain things absolutely need to be said, even though I'm going to piss off an awful lot of people.
And oddly enough, I'm not even going to say anything bad about him.
Quite the opposite.
But that doesn't matter since the potential for butthurt is still astronomical.
You'll get what I mean in a moment or two.
I'm bringing Whittaker into this because he, and more specifically his work, is the premier example of how to win an argument by effectively crafting and utilizing talking points.
In fact, I regularly find myself recommending his written and spoken work.
Last time I checked, he had a ton of audio available on his website that clearly outlines his thought process and approach to crafting said talking points.
I didn't witness any of this myself, but the way I understand it, he personally cleared out the opposing views section of Stormfront while developing the white genocide mantra.
His performance over a long period of time is more than sufficient evidence that his talking points will do precisely what he says they will do.
Now, having said all that, here's the rub.
Winning arguments is all they will do.
Nothing more.
And remember, winning the argument, or even making your point effectively, doesn't mean a whole lot because by itself it merely places a levy upon another person's honor.
We all remember how that turns out, right gang?
Okay, that might not be so bad, but try for a second to imagine what I think of someone who, in light of the points I've made today, insists that they're fighting white genocide because they use the right words, be they the white genocide mantra or something else.
And what's even more jarring about this is that these very same people claim they're totally different from every other bunch in the white nationalist movement, even though they all, save the Northwest Front, are doing nothing but producing words.
Really?
I mean, really?
Once again, I'm going to repeat the point.
You can be entirely right, factually, and have expertly made your point, such that being called into question would never enter your mind, and then you can be promptly defeated in every way you believed yourself to have been immunized against.
Since I'm talking about the use of words and nothing else, I'll briefly indulge myself and go on another tangent.
The NF and those associated with us have long insisted that merely claiming you're pro-white and saying the right things in no way makes you a bona fide white nationalist.
Remember Donald Trump dog-whistled white nationalist to help him win an election, but he also ran as an open Zionist.
Is it starting to sink in why the NF insists on something other than words with which to evaluate people, and why we aren't at all interested in this mythical "white unity"?
Using shibboleth as a means of vetting hasn't once worked out in several decades of white nationalist history, and as of now, it should be crystal clear why.
I'm nearing the time limit I set for myself, so I'm going to give examples of this abysmal words-only standard, and then wrap up.
The real reason this sort of thinking is so pathological is that obsession with knowledge very frequently precludes learning anything else.
Strangely enough, red-pilling normies seems to be self-defeating in that it sets the goal of knowing a specific thing, such as the JQ, as the apparent desired result.
In fact, one of the early brags of the thrice-damned alt-right was that they're wise to the JQ when others aren't.
When the NF first made it known that we aren't in the alt-right, a crowd of reactionary kiddies got on my case.
During that exchange, I was told what to do and where to go because these kiddies, as well as the B and C class alt-right celebrities involved, felt I was bragging about being Jewwise before any of them.
I had said no such thing, though, and further conversation revealed that the JQ had somehow become the litmus test for who is and isn't one of them.
This, of course, is a trivially low bar, but that's a talk for another time.
Nevertheless, it does reinforce the idea I'm trying to get across now.
This is all entirely germane to the subject of theorycraft, which I am still most definitely discussing.
Recall my previous shortcast on the subject and the definition of a theorycrafter.
Well over a year ago, When the NF was forced to make it plain that we don't approve of the alt-right leadership's severe and plentiful moral failures, one D-list alt-right celebrity, who was apparently unaware that we're white nationalists, asked me if they had upset us with facts.
Their words.
To be entirely clear, the underlying assumption was that the only reason we wouldn't approve of the alt-right is that we disagree with the alt-right's factual stances.
They've got no idea whatsoever about anything else a white nationalist might need to know.
They're busy going round and round with their guesswork about what will magically happen when everyone is woke to the JQ.
Here's the deal.
Remember all those real politics talks I gave three and a half years ago?
Well, they're important.
They're the big picture.
Had I ordered them properly, the issue of race and the Jews would have come up first.
In fact, if I were to organize, say, a college course catalog based on the issues a white nationalist might deal with, the JQ would fall one of two places.
Race itself would be the 101 class, and the JQ would either be the 102 class, or even perhaps the tail end of the 101 course content.
Once one understands the issue of race itself and knows how to consistently apply the concepts relating to it, the JQ is really just another application thereof.
In other words, because even their leadership doesn't know any better, the alt-right is bragging about having completed White Nationalism 101, and they're using that as their one and only credential.
This being the case, the white nationalist movement for its entire history has been consumed with two incredibly wrong ideas.
Firstly, that the necessary action to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children will come from convincing people of a certain fact, and secondly, that this fact is the JQ.
Even if being right produces the sort of result we need, which it doesn't, the JQ itself, in terms of formal curricula, is nothing more than a corollary to the first concept a white nationalist needs to learn.
It is by no means whatsoever a useful standard, even if it is the one leg up the alt-right has on your garden variety neocon.
There are about a dozen other things an actual white nationalist needs to process before they can even start considering plans to halt white genocide, but that doesn't ever seem to happen.
To prove that point, I recently had the opportunity to have an exchange with a major alt-right figure after I made noise about their lack of a plan.
And no, I'm not saying who, because in addition to detracting from my point, it would whip up a good old-fashioned teapot tempest.
This email exchange started with the request that I detail what I personally was doing different from the alt-right.
After presenting the Butler plan, I did talk a little bit about what I personally did and continue to do to carry it to fruition.
That wasn't the answer this guy was looking for.
It turns out any sort of a plan wasn't relevant in his mind.
And this is after he publicly referred to me as fragile and autistic because I expect alt-right leadership to produce a plan which has some reasonable chance of bringing about the ethnostate that they claim to want.
I was told I should be grateful to them for causing the idea of an ethnostate to be in circulation at all.
And on that note, we've come full circle, and the examples I brought up after revealing my answer to the troll question are the obvious response to the suggestion that I ought to appreciate this raising awareness garbage that the alt-right pedals, so I'm stopping now.
Sure, I wanted to hit a couple other topics, but I'm not cruel enough to make you sit through more.
I always make sure to end my talks with ways in which my material can be applied, since not doing so would mean I'm part of the problem.
I brought up the issue of "the levy upon honor" a couple of different times to illustrate what happens when you expect others to do the right thing because you've proven your case.
Don't do that.
Instead, put a levy on your own damn honor first.
Only after you're in a position to criticize the NF face-to-face will any of us care what you have to say.
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