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July 4, 2015 - Radio Free Nortwest - H.A. Covington
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This is Harold Covington speaking, and the date is July 4, 2015.
This Radio Free Northwest call-in show was recorded on the evening of July 2, and originally lasted a fraction over two hours in length of raw and uncut footage.
You will note that this finished product only consists of a little over 43 minutes of audio.
This is because during the editing process, using software with which we are still largely unfamiliar, and which we're kind of having to learn as we go, Somehow or other, we don't know how, the last half of the program simply got vaporized, and we were not able to recover it.
I know we were recording because I was watching the Audacity monitor during the whole two-hour session.
We don't know what happened to that audio footage.
Perhaps Scotty beamed it up to the Enterprise, but whatever happened, it's gone.
This is an ongoing learning process for us here, and I regret the loss of almost half the show.
But at least we didn't blow away the whole thing.
I'd like to apologize to the comrades who called after the gentleman from Nevada and that their participation in this particular show isn't being aired.
All I can say is we're going to keep on plugging away until we get this right.
Greetings from the Northwest Homeland, folks.
This is Harold Covington speaking.
The date is July the 2nd, 2015.
This is our second call-in show for Radio Free Northwest.
And right now, my co-host Don and I are sitting here waiting for some callers.
And it's a balmy 90 degrees.
One normally doesn't think of the homeland getting that hot, but it does.
You know, Harold, when we get some people to call in, I think a question we ought to ask all of them is, what are they most concerned about?
What, in politics and white nationalism, is their most immediate and most pressing concern?
Because I can imagine several possible answers.
Yeah.
I think right now, most people are going to be a lot more personally oriented in their concerns than they might have been even a year ago.
It's pretty obvious that the country is now falling apart.
Some of the things that have happened over the past year have been genuinely significant.
And then, of course, you get all this mess that happened with the Supreme Court in the last week.
Legalizing sodomitic marriage and even more important, I think, this decision which basically gives foreigners the right to come in here and vote.
I think the idea that an American election official or a state which by the Constitution is given the right to regulate the election procedures and its boundaries is now legally prohibited according to the Supreme Court.
From even asking potential voters to prove that they're American citizens is bizarre.
It's not only a bad decision, it's inexplicable.
What nation on the face of the earth lets foreigners come into their country and vote in their elections?
It's deranged.
Yeah, if you're assuming that they're trying to manage the country to be prosperous and successful and so forth, but if they're trying to destroy the country, it makes perfect sense.
I think it's just basically the Democrats have decided that they are going to create a one-party state in what's left of the United States of America.
They have developed such an insane hatred of the Republicans and of white people in general.
Now that Obama has more or less seized power in his little coup d 'etat from last November, they're just saying, hey, it's ours, and we're going to keep it, and we're going to never let you have it back.
And in order to make sure of that, we're going to bring in all these foreigners.
And they're going to vote Democrat because they know which side of their bread is buttered.
And they know who let them into the country where they can enjoy things like clean water and infrastructure and electricity that works and so forth and EBT cards and welfare benefits.
And we're just going to stay in power forever.
And it doesn't matter how many Republicans are in Congress or in the state legislatures.
Because the Supreme Court's just going to overrule any attempt you make to put a stop to this, and so, hey, screw you guys.
We've got it, and it's ours, and it's ours forever, and bleh.
But I just, I don't understand the logic behind that decision.
I mean, surely it has nothing even to do with law, just simple common sense.
Well, if you start with their basic idea that there's only one race, the human race, and these artificial political boundaries just get in the way of this beautiful one-world utopia, it makes sense.
They are trying to destroy individual countries, destroy their sovereignty anyway, to make the country nothing more than a name.
This, I think, is my view of why they're doing what they're doing.
Yeah.
Well, you were mentioning yesterday that somebody had leaked some of this TPP thing to the media.
Yes, and I was reading it.
In fact, it was published in the New York Times.
What they're doing is they're setting up...
A supranational court, an international specialized court where corporations can sue governments.
Now the court is made up of lawyers, the same lawyers on a rotating basis.
That the corporations use to sue in the court.
So if a lawyer acting as a judge or an arbitrator rules against the corporations, he's like out of a job.
So the whole setup is corrupt from the get-go.
Hey, you're on Radio Free Northwest.
Who am I speaking with?
Hello, this is Terry in Florida.
How you doing?
Hey, Terry.
First time I believe we've ever spoken.
How's things down there in the Sunshine State?
Well, things are going very, very well indeed, all things considered.
We're getting lots of rain, lots of heat, lots of humidity, lots of mosquitoes and bugs that bite.
Situation normal.
That's right.
This is Harold, the Prince of Darkness, I'm speaking to, right?
Yep, it is, indeed.
And I am Don Welke, his assistant prince.
He's the Prime Minister of Darkness.
Well, that's good.
Well, I wanted to call in tonight to discuss a couple of items that are, of course, touched on in Harold's books, but I wanted to give y 'all a chance to expand on it a little bit.
I'm a small businessman, independent, self-employed.
I suppose another term for that is unemployed at times, but we're making our way.
But one thing that is prominent to any small businessman are taxes.
Under the Yankee system of taxation, it is immoral, it is corrupt, and it actually penalizes those who are able to produce.
In the future Northwest American Republic, what system of taxation on a national basis do you envision?
Okay, if you will refer to the draft constitution of October 2006, which you can find posted on the website or in the back of the white book, certain taxes are going to be prohibited.
Such things as property taxes on homesteads, income taxes, that sort of stuff.
So that will relieve a lot of the burden right there.
In the present system, it's almost futile.
Even if you've paid off your house or your farm or whatever, you don't really own it because you have to pay the government an annual tribute in the form of property tax.
And if you don't pay it, they'll come and take your house.
So no one in this country under the present system really owns anything.
That's exactly right.
You have to pay a ransom on the damn thing.
Yeah, right.
So that right there, the absence of both income tax and property tax on actual homes...
It was going to relieve a lot of the tax burden.
Now, of course, the question arises as to how the government is going to get money.
A government of the republic is going to have to get money from somewhere, if only to maintain a very active and well-equipped defense force, because everybody in the world is going to be trying to kill us.
So, there are other sources of income that can be utilized, so long as one doesn't view the population of the country as kind of financial livestock to be milked and harvested.
There are, of course, such things as excise duties, import duties.
There would probably be such things as what you might call sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco and that sort of stuff.
And you consider it a national sales tax, perhaps?
Possibly.
Now, one thing, I understand the question.
I know this is of concern to a lot of people, especially like yourself who are independent businessmen.
But a lot of the things that I'm going to say here...
On the subject, well, they do kind of fall into the category of crystal ball gazing.
We do not as yet know how the Republic is going to come into existence.
We do not know when.
We do not know who's going to be involved.
We do not know under what conditions, logistic, economic, and political it's all going to happen.
In the beginning of Freedom Sons, I describe something that I think is going to have to take place, a constitutional convention.
Which will presumably use the October 2006 draft as a basis, but that draft is just that.
It's a draft.
When the time comes for this country to assume its sovereign independence, these questions are all going to have to be decided by the people who are going to be living here, and I suspect the people who have given of their blood and sweat and tears in order to bring it into existence.
So anything I say here has to be kind of taken in that context.
I'm just crystal ball gazing here, but...
I would envision a system similar to what we had in Rhodesia, which is a country, by the way, in a very similar situation to what the Northwest Republic is going to find itself in.
We would have such things as excise taxes.
As I recall, there was a sales tax of some sort, but we're talking almost 40 years ago, so not totally 100% on that.
But I've got three calls coming in here.
This is Radio Free Northwest.
We have calls coming in right, left, and center here.
Let me see if I can get all of you on here.
And, okay, we now have three callers.
We have Terry from Florida, and who else have we got here?
William from Beaverton.
Okay.
I believe we met before once down there in Portland, so I know who you are, and we should have another gentleman from the 269 area code.
Am I...
Are you there, sir?
Hello.
Yeah, the gentleman in the 269 area code.
Who am I speaking with?
This is Steve from Michigan.
Okay.
Yeah, Steve.
All right.
Were you the same Steve who visited us last summer?
I certainly am.
Okay, great.
We got three callers.
Let me wind up my answer to Terry from Florida's question here, and I'll speak to you other guys.
In Rhodesia, we had what was called statutory bodies.
Certain industries, certain agricultural products, etc., like tobacco, meat, produce, and so forth, were handled economically by corporations, if you want to call them that, which actually were under government charter, and their purpose was to operate at a profit and give the profits to the state.
In this country, when we get it set up, we could have statutory bodies to deal with things like alcohol sales, marijuana sales.
If it is decided that this will be legal, that's not yet certain.
In my books it is, but that's something to be decided at the time.
In Rhodesia, we had something called the Cold Storage Commission, which handled meat.
At that time, Rhodesia was a meat-exporting country.
Rhodesia had a very great tobacco industry, and so forth and so on.
So, that's one way.
In which taxation could be created, or which revenue could be generated, put it that way.
And we're basically going to have to find ways to raise money, a lot of money, through methods which are consistent with our Constitution, which prohibit confiscatory taxation on homesteads and prohibit an income tax, because excessive income tax, as I'm sure we all know, is not only a pain in the ass, but it is actually crippling to an economy.
If people aren't allowed to keep most or all of what they earn, then they're not going to be spending it.
Well, exactly.
That's why I think that it's pertinent that we keep a large aspect of the economy as a free enterprise system, but with portions of the economy as a directed economy.
It's unfortunate that we will probably be a nation under siege, like Rhodesia was.
We are not going to be...
Able to create the type of ideal society that we want for many years, I think, because of things like sanctions.
It's just like the Third Reich did some incredible things during the first six years of existence, but then the Second World War came along and they had to go on a war footing, and that kind of put a lot of the better social and economic and political innovations that Hitler and the National Socialist Party wanted to have for the nation, kind of put them on a back burner.
And I'm very much afraid we'll be in that situation.
But like I say, this is a situation we're just going to have to deal with as it arises.
It's a bridge we're going to have to cross when we come to it.
They will be trying to kill us in every way possible.
And I don't want to hog all my time here, so I'll just leave it go with this.
I have no problem with a single-payer health care system that benefits the folk.
Now, you can't have such a system in an obscenity like the United States.
No, you can't.
Because there are no folk.
It's a population.
It's not a people.
Well, we had a National Health Service in Ireland.
When I was there in the 80s, Ireland was, to all intents and purposes, an all-white country, and it worked.
Well, very, very good.
Well, I will deem fit to say goodnight to y 'all.
I really appreciate the phone call, and take your other callers.
By the way, before you hang up, and this is to everybody who calls.
When you're finished saying your piece, you can stay on the line and just listen.
Yeah, that's one bad thing about this.
This isn't really a call-in radio show.
It's more of an extended panel discussion, but if you want to hang around and listen, you're welcome to do so.
Don had a suggestion before we fired it up here this evening.
If you guys would like to discuss what your big concerns are right now with white nationalism as it exists.
Why you think in a general way we need to go or any problems like that?
What concerns you right now as a white person living in this country?
That might be a good topic for discussion.
Anyway, Bill in Portland, how are you doing down there?
Doing fine, thank you.
What can we do for you this evening?
Well, I think my major concern would be the young people that would come along.
How do we retrain these folks?
That's a hard one.
We do have young people in the movement.
You heard one of our young fellows down there in Milwaukee on Radio Free Northwest a couple of times, Adam.
I think that to a large degree, this may sound like I'm sloughing it off a bit, I don't think we can or will be compelled to retrain and educate younger white people in some of the basics because the system is going to do it for us.
The niggers are going to do it for us.
If you're young and white today, and you're born into the society, eventually, by the time you get up to be about 14, 15, and you get your first experience of the wonders of high school and that sort of stuff with all the garbage you're being taught and all the diversity and whatnot, I don't think all white kids are stupid.
Now, they're ignorant in the sense that they haven't been taught the things that they need to be taught.
They're ignorant in the sense that their heads have been filled with a lot of belly wash.
And they don't know the things that they should know.
They don't know even the things that I knew when I was that age, because they're just not allowed to, but they're not stupid.
They have eyes, they have ears, they go to school, and they know that they're not being taught anything about the history of their own people.
They understand that most of what they're hearing from teachers in the classroom is politically correct PAP.
And they, I think, understand that they're not getting any kind of preparation for the real world.
And above all, in the politically correct world that is in the public school system in this country, there is this constant atmosphere right now of insult and contempt and degradation, all this jabber about white privilege.
I mean, you get some 15, 16-year-old kid, boy or girl, whose parents are about to lose the house and...
We're in bad economic straits, and they go to school and the halls are filled with all kinds of jabbering scum of various colors.
They know that they're not privileged.
I think young white people today understand that this entire system, beginning with the public schools and on up to Obama himself, are just lying to them.
So I don't think we will have any difficulty eventually, when we're allowed to reach them, in...
Convincing them that things are bad, things are going to get worse in the future, and that they have to change.
Where we're going to have trouble is with certain specific messages that we have to internalize in their skulls full of mush.
Most of them, of course, have not the remotest idea about the Jewish question.
They know the problem because more and more, I think, young white people, they experience the problem every day in their everyday lives.
They don't know what the solution is.
We're going to have to show them the solution.
We're going to have to somehow prevent things like this Dylann Roof thing, where kids just snap in various ways.
And there's other ways of snapping than just freaking out with a gun.
A lot of white kids snap through just dropping out of the entire system.
They just dick off in school, and then they find themselves 23, 24 years old, 28 years old, living in their mother's basement and delivering pizzas.
Part of that, of course, is society.
Part of that's the economy.
But a lot of it is also because at some point, probably about 10th grade or so, they just gave up.
Young white kids snap by going on to drugs or getting into goth or video games.
A lot of white boys especially just lose themselves in video games.
And they create a sort of a fantasy world, a world of Warcraft or whatever online.
And the tendency of white kids so far has been to try and escape and evade the system.
We need to somehow give them the spirit, the knowledge, and the will, and the leadership to confront the system.
And we have to let them know that the only real hope for any change is a sovereign nation of our own.
And there's this tendency among white people, especially among young white people, to avoid politics.
And the trouble is, you can say you're not interested in politics, but that doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you.
They have to understand that.
They have to understand that there is to be any hope for their future.
They're going to have to buckle down, and they are going to have to address the problems that exist in politically correct and multicultural, diverse America, and that the solution ain't going to be pretty.
Well, I suspect we'll have a Covington Jugend.
That'd be nice.
Thank you, Carol.
And like I say, hang on.
And now, Steve from Michigan.
How's things in Michigan?
Wet.
Okay.
Not at the moment, but it has been very wet here.
I wouldn't say it's necessarily my greatest concern, but one of the things that I heard regarding this Dylann Roof thing, it kind of really struck me as far as the attitude, not only of our government, but all of the PC people, all the politically correct folks out there.
One of his supposed friends said that the only way to deal with this racism thing is to have more integration and more diversity.
And one of the things I don't know is why do people insist on doing what doesn't work?
That obviously has not worked.
What is needed is segregation, separatism, and...
If Dillon had had the Northwest Front to go to, he probably wouldn't have done what he did.
Well, no, he kind of did.
You know, in his manifesto, he did mention us.
He just rejected it because he apparently just didn't want to leave South Carolina, so he was familiar with it, and that's very unfortunate.
I didn't know him.
I wish in a way he had contacted me and I could have tried to explain to him that his future is here.
And I'm a fellow South Carolinian or North Carolinian myself.
I've lived in Charleston on several occasions in the past.
And I would have explained to him how I myself made the decision that I was going to have to give up that part of my heritage and come here to a new land and help create a new country for all of our white people.
Maybe he would have got it, maybe not, but he never did.
As far as the more integration stuff, you know, there's an old saying, when you find yourself stuck in a hole, the first thing you need to do is stop digging.
But we don't seem to be capable of internalizing that, and I think it's because what you have to understand is that the system that exists today does not want to solve this problem.
They do not want to create some big, wonderful new world.
What they want to do is to destroy the white race.
Now, once you understand that, a lot of this becomes clear.
You wonder, why don't they do this?
Why don't they do that?
Obviously, it would make things better.
Obviously, a little bit of separation would decrease racial tension because they don't want to decrease racial tension.
They want to destroy the country and rebuild it as some kind of global consumer plantation where everybody's coffee-colored and we're all living in the world of Soylent Green.
Bill White calls it One World.
And to answer your question about why people give that particular answer when it hasn't worked, they give that answer because of social conditioning.
They get hit with it all the time from people who represent themselves as the elite, the educated, the authoritative, the government, whatever, and they keep getting the same message.
So that's what they automatically repeat.
They're conditioned to do that.
At some point, the populace would begin to say, hey, wait a minute.
We don't hook a horse and an ox to the same yoke.
It doesn't work.
Your furrows are just not going to go straight.
And the same thing is true of people.
You don't mix them together and get anything productive.
I just kind of look at people and say, why don't you guys understand?
What you're describing there is a very...
Ancient aspect of the Aryan mentality.
It's called common sense.
And it's gone now.
And I'm not joking.
I'm not trying to be funny.
Literally, this country is ruled with an almost total absence of simple common sense.
Yes, race is true.
It is real.
It is genetic.
It is biological.
These characteristics of the various races are inherent.
They cannot be educated away or erased in any shape or form or fashion.
But again, you have to bear in mind, there is an agenda here, and common sense has nothing to do with it.
Reconciliation between the races, so-called, has nothing to do with it.
The way it was put back in the days of the Reconstruction, when we had the nigger Friedman Bureau more or less running things in the South, is the bottom rail gonna be on the top.
That is what they're after, what's what they've always been after.
Insofar as the black man as a whole has a coherent objective in the world, it is to put the bottom rail on the top.
They want to rule the country with us as their slaves.
And some of the rhetoric you're hearing right now out of the New Black Panther Party confirms this.
The objective of the larger One World movement, conspiracy, whatever you want to call it, is, as I've said, They are going to create a global consumer plantation.
This is one reason why we've got all these trade pacts right now sending all the manufacturing and whatnot out of this country and into these third world places with cheap labor.
They're leveling down.
Eventually, we're all going to be the same color.
We're all going to be living in the same shanty towns.
We're all going to be jammed into the same cities because they don't like people living outside of the cities and the countryside because they can't be controlled.
It's going to be the world of that movie Soylent Green.
That's a movie from 1972.
I know this sounds a little bit Grandpa Simpson-ish when I talk about old movies, but everyone needs to see it because you will see the type of world that these people are deliberately trying to create.
That world that they're trying to create, Harold, is going to be celebrated by the white population of America.
I can give you an example right offhand of how deep-set the conditioning of the average American is.
I was processing a woman one day, and I won't go into the details, but she flipped her wallet out, and there were the pictures of three beautiful white kids there, and I complimented her.
Those are really good-looking children.
Good job, Mom.
And she said, yeah, but let me show you my heart.
And she flipped up a picture of a little nigger, orange-skinned, wiry-haired, the ugliest little beast you've ever seen in your life.
And she said, but this is my grandchild.
And looking at her, I could see in her eyes that she knew that it was a point of insanity.
She knew that that was an ugly little beast.
She knew that it didn't belong to her, but at the same time, she had been so conditioned, she celebrated it.
Well, I get a lot of people contacting me when these things happen to them and they see something especially grotesque in a grocery store or whatever like that.
And look, as I said at the end of last week's Radio Free Northwest, guys, I have told you what to do about this.
And if you're not going to do it, I don't know what I can do except keep on telling you there is a solution.
It is here in the Northwest and you are going to have to implement it.
You are just going to have to accept the fact that you're going to have to leave Florida and Michigan and New York and Texas and California behind.
They are part of the old world, and if you and your family and our civilization are going to have any hope, it's going to have to be in a new land.
We have that new land here.
It is already watered with the blood of martyrs like Bob Matthews and Vicki Weaver.
Like I say, I don't know what else to tell you.
It's all there on the website.
It's all there in the white book.
It's all there in the novels.
Now, I will keep on pushing this as long as I can.
I'll keep on telling you as long as I can.
But, guys, you're going to have to do it.
You're going to have to come here, and you're going to have to build communities, and you're going to have to help us secure the existence of our people and the future for white children.
It's got to be done, guys.
I don't know what else to tell you.
Well, you're no doubt exactly right.
There are very difficult circumstances that some of us face with relations and responsibilities and whatnot.
But until we build a core population in a location like the Northwest and start a party and start a movement and start having people moving out there...
You're exactly right.
We could face a total demise if we're not very, very careful.
It won't, I think, be a total demise for a long time.
I may get into this a little bit on Radio Free Northwest in a little bit more detail.
People sometimes ask me what I think is going to happen if...
We don't get it together or whatnot.
It'll become rather like modern-day South Africa in this country.
The majority of the population will be non-whites.
But just like the ANC has had sufficient intelligence to retain a certain white techno elite and also, so far, to retain the white farmers because they know the country has to feed themselves, I think the America of the future will come to realize that they need to maintain at least a few million whites in more or less So,
in theory, 100 years from now, we'll have the world of Soylent Green, but we'll also have another aspect of the world of Soylent Green where the elite lived in these big, huge, air-conditioned tower blocks.
We're surrounded by armed guards and that sort of stuff.
I don't think that will actually come, though, because I think when the United States passes a certain level of weakness and discombobulation, either the Russians or the Chinese are going to move in, and that always happens when a nation or a decaying empire becomes that weak.
My guess right now would be the Chinese, I'm sorry to say, so effectively speaking, I think maybe 200 years from now, everyone's going to be kind of a baby-shit brown and speaking Chinese.
And I don't even want to think about what that kind of world would be like.
I'm glad I'm not going to be allowed to see it.
But we can prevent it now.
We can stop it.
I say it, and I say it, and I say it, and it seems to go in one ear and out the other, but it is not yet too late.
But we're going to have to give up this illusion that there is some way to take back all of America and bring back the world of the Brady Bunch.
That ain't going to happen.
One thing I wanted to share, Harold, this decision by the Supreme Court regarding gays last Friday.
I've been working with my wife to try and convince her that we need to move to the Northwest.
And she's, for personal reasons, dragging her heels on it.
But after that decision, I overheard her say to somebody, you know, the Northwest is beginning to look like the only way.
It is!
That really raised my hopes.
I know your lady didn't attend the festivities last summer, which was unfortunate.
I am always willing to sit down somewhere private and have a long talk with a reluctant spouse, and we have another call coming in.
And you're on Radio Free Northwest.
Who am I speaking with?
This is Richard Staniland, founder and president of Racist Loyalist.
It's racial loyalty in Norwegian.
So, are you actually calling from Norway?
No, I'm here in Nevada.
Okay.
That's where I do all my recruiting is over in Europe because the people here in America, they just don't really get it, I don't think.
Oh, that's true.
I do know that we have a lot better appreciation of the NF and the whole Northwest Republic ideal in Europe than we do here.
Europeans get it.
Americans, frankly, don't.
I look at our stat counter for hits on the website, and we get hits from all over Europe, Austria, all over the white world, and some from the non-white world.
We're getting a lot recently from communist China, of all places.
Foreigners have an appreciation of our principles and our ideology.
They get separatism.
Let's say Americans don't.
Yeah.
America, I don't know, they've just been brainwashed too badly.
I think one of the problems is that the United States is the home of Hollywood and this huge Jewish influence from New York City as well as from Hollywood.
The control of the media, it happened first here, it's strongest here.
Americans came from various European countries, so they tend to be a little more receptive to people who are a little different from them.
And the total effect of all this is that we're not protecting ourselves.
Yeah, I mean, look at what they're doing.
They're trying to steal our history right now away from us with Bill and Ruth going in there just because he had a rebel flags on his license plate.
They're going to use that and take our history from us.
I am not quite as upset about that as I might be, because right now, South Carolina and Mississippi, these are virtually majority non-white states.
As a matter of fact, I think Mississippi is a majority non-white state.
This may sound kind of cynical and kind of cold.
Maybe this is something that we need to finally get the message through to those whites that remain in the South, which, by the way, is where I'm from.
I was mentioning this earlier.
Yeah.
But maybe finally southerners will realize that that's it.
If they stay there, they're going to end up like the redlegs in Jamaica.
They're going to, you know, 5% of the population dirt poor and oppressed by a black majority.
Maybe this will finally get some, you know, wisdom through their heads and they'll start packing their vans for the Northwest.
I don't know.
I was asking the other guys, what are your main concerns right now as far as white nationalism goes, as far as the situation in the country goes, just as a white person?
What concerns you most about this politically correct toilet we live in right now?
The main thing that concerns me is all this Christianity stuff.
It's the biggest weapon that was created by Jews for destroying us, and then we got elders like David Lane and all them that basically told our race about this a long time ago, and nobody's really doing anything to put a stop to it.
Well, let me go ahead and do the whole religious rundown for you guys.
First off, the Northwest Front is not a religious organization.
We are a racial organization, as Dr. William L. Pierce put it.
We are not a community of faith.
We are a community of blood.
We have people involved in the NF of every conceivable religious persuasion.
Now, I understand that there has always been a very strong anti-Christian element within the movement.
Then again, you have to understand there is a difference between being pagan or pro-white tradition or something like that and being just plain anti-Christian.
I understand what the anti-Christians are saying.
But the fact is, and I'm just being purely pragmatic here, I'm not making any religious judgments, I'm not going to get into a theological argument, but the fact is that we have had people involved with the movement in the past who were anti-Christians first, and white nationalists and white racialists or national socialists or whatever, second.
In the time of the Third Reich, the Fuhrer himself, I don't think that he himself probably considered himself to be a Christian or the best Christian in the world, although he did maintain his ties up until the day he died to the Roman Catholic Church simply because his mother asked him to.
Admittedly, also, the situation in Germany was a lot different from what it is today, but they did have what they call the Nordic Faith Movement.
There was an attempt to revive the old pagan religion, etc.
Now, here in this country, whether we like it or not, we are a primarily Christian nation in the sense that just about every white person, in theory, adheres or went to church when they were kids or something like that.
The way that I try, frankly, to deal with this question is to not deal with it.
Because, as far as I'm concerned, the whole issue of religion is about 127th on the list of things that right now the white race needs to concern itself with.
I've occasionally in the past mentioned some of my own, what do you call them, religious views, metaphysical views.
I am not a Christian, but let me tell you this about me.
My first two Northwest novels, the Christians were very upset with The Hill of the Ravens because they thought it was too anti-Christian.
And the anti-Christian element was very upset with the distant thunder because they thought it was too Christian.
So, without getting into theology itself, which, as I say frankly, is something we need to avoid, I will agree with one thing, and most of our Christian members would agree with me on this as well.
What you're talking about is organized religion, organized Christianity, and especially neocon-type, late great planet Earth, dispensationalist, 700-club Christianity.
Now that, I agree, is a problem.
Back to our Constitution.
I was talking earlier before you called about the draft Constitution of the Northwest Republic from October 2006.
There are two classes of people that are banned in the Constitution and that will not be allowed to exist in the Republic.
One is lawyers.
And the second is a professional clergy.
I mean, my God, I lived in Rhodesia in South Africa where they had Bishop Muzarewa and Bishop Tutu, and I am well aware of how the organized church can be used to subvert white society and serve the leftist political ideology.
No problem there.
No argument there.
I am aware of the neoconservative love of Israel and all this sort of stuff, which has been pointed out, actually is quite anti-Semitic.
I don't know if you ever got into this late great planet Earth stuff, but the basic idea of supporting Israel is because it's supposed to be the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, and that as part of this destruction of the world, all the Jews are going to either die or be converted.
But basically, the 700 Club, Pat Robertson type stuff is not a true...
Religion, in my mind, is a political ideology.
Judeo-Christianity, which holds that the Jews are God's chosen people, etc., to my mind, is not a true religion.
It's a political ideology.
Now, when you talk about that form of Christianity as a political weapon against the white man, yes, I'm all with you.
However, I will say this now, and normally I don't get into...
The whole subject, as Commander Rockwell said, is just best avoided.
It's one of those subjects that generates heat rather than light.
I mentioned this several times in the books.
There is a segment from A Mighty Fortress that I often quote when they're about to get on the plane to Longview and negotiate the Northwest Republic's freedom, and all of a sudden the religious thing rears its ugly head.
Guys, not now.
I will make this statement publicly and let the chips fall where they may.
There are two things that the Northwest Front and the Northwest Independence Movement must never ever be associated with at all in the mind of the public.
And that is homosexuality and anti-Christianity.
Because like it or not, the vast majority of white people in this country Consider themselves to be Christian, or nominally Christian.
They're obviously not practicing it, the real Christianity, but the thing is, if they think that we are going to be evil Nazi stormtroopers with jackboots who come into their churches and burn their places down and ravish the minister's daughter and have pagan Nazi ceremonies on the altar or some such garbage like that, the sort of propaganda that's been used against us in the past, They're not going to support us when the time comes.
I will say what my character said in A Mighty Fortress.
When we get all of this other stuff taken care of, when we have our own country, when we have our own laws, when we have a new generation of white children coming up in safety and prosperity and spiritual health, then and only then...
We might want to quietly sit down among ourselves and see if we can figure out where we're going to go spiritually.
Again, and just to sum up, if you're against and you're attacking people like Pat Robertson, oh yeah, I'm with you, 100%.
But you have to understand that we can never give up at least the hope of becoming a mass movement.
We can never give up at least the effort to try and reach the bulk of our people.
We cannot do that if our PR, our propaganda, or our approach is going to be in any way, shape, or form anti-Christian.
And I'd like to add a couple words to that.
Personally, I'm not religious at all.
I'm not Christian.
I'm not pagan.
But I know people who are both of those things.
And they're good people.
And I get along very well.
They're comrades of mine.
And they're fine.
And they treat me well.
And they also treat each other well.
So when we do, as Harold suggests, put race at the top of the list, we can all work together toward the goal of the survival and prosperity of our race.
That's what it all comes down to.
And for Christians specifically, I know that there are many, many denominations, and that if you look in history...
They push back the Moors with the Crusades, and I think people like that are good to have on your side.
Yeah.
There was a time when Christianity was quite well adapted to the white man.
It's one of the little interesting pieces of history from the South that at the beginning of the Civil War, General, or Colonel as he was, Thomas Jackson, otherwise known as Stonewall Jackson, was the commandant of the Virginia Military Institute.
And like Robert E. Lee, he was actually offered command of either the Union Army itself or some very significant position in the Union Army if he would remain loyal to the Union.
And he spent the night in the chapel at VMI in prayer and reflection on his duty, not just as a Southerner and as a man of honor, but as a Christian.
And the next morning, he led all his cadets out and marched down to Richmond and joined the Confederate Army.
There is a long history of Christian civilization, Christian culture.
I mean, Christianity, whether we like it or not, is part of our history.
It has been perverted.
It has been poisoned.
It is possible that, again, in the far future, when we are physically safe from extinction, It is possible we might decide collectively as a race that we want to go in another direction, but that's not something we should even be thinking about or dealing about with now.
No, right now we need to be thinking about what we've got to do in these next nine years to save our race here in America.
Because in nine years, as far as the statistics goes, we're going to be extinct.
We are, I think, electorally outnumbered right now.
A lot of people, for example, don't understand exactly how the Electoral College works, but in essence, any presidential election from this point on, all you've got to do is get about eight states.
See, the presidency is not determined by popular vote.
It's determined by the Electoral College.
You need California, Texas, Florida.
New York and Illinois and one or two of about four or five other states.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, a few others that are fairly populous.
I think even North Carolina is getting pretty populous.
But the fact is that you can now win a presidential election and in essence create the next regime simply from the votes of five or six states.
And most of those five or six states, of course, are where all the non-whites are.
And the whiter states like New Hampshire and Iowa and North Dakota and, frankly, here in the Northwest, Washington, Oregon, they don't have enough electoral votes to seriously affect a presidential election.
So, electorally speaking, we're outnumbered now.
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