Was Dr. Who right when he said military intelligence is a contradiction in terms? Brad Abrahams is back (with Liv, Jake, and Travis) with the story of the “Gulf Breeze 6”, in which six military intelligence officers with top-secret clearance went AWOL from one of Europe’s largest Cold War bases in 1990. Their reason? A Ouija board told them to. Convinced they were on a divine mission to stop Armageddon, they fled to Florida, believing Jesus (piloting a UFO) would meet them for the rapture.
Even more bizarre than that last sentence was the punishment meted out to them. Were they part of an end-of-the-world cult? Did figures like Bob Dole and George Bush intervene on their behalf? This insane tale is a true mystery to this day, as the trail has gone cold since its explosion in the early ‘90s news cycle.
At the end of the episode, we’re joined by Tanner Boyle of the ‘Getting Spooked’ newsletter to dive deeper into the Gulf Breeze 6 mystery, and explore whether any parapolitical shenanigans were at play.
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Welcome to the QAA Podcast, episode 305, the AWOL for the Antichrist episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky, Brad Abrahams, Liv Agar, and Travis View.
Okay, question for everybody here.
When I say the phrases military intelligence or signals intelligence, what comes to mind for you all?
I mean, I'm maybe the wrong person to ask.
I think maybe before I started researching a subject matter, I thought it represented something highly competent professionals gathering actionable information about the battle terrain, whatever that might be.
But since I started getting into this, the first person who comes to mind is Michael Flynn.
So that's...
That's kind of out now.
It's the same for me.
I was going to go, Michael Flynn.
But it's sad because originally I think I would have just named a Tom Clancy movie or something.
So until QAnon replaced my popular culture memory recall, it would have been a movie or show, which I don't know if that's all that much better.
Yeah, outside of the context of this podcast, you know, intelligence, it's in the name.
It's smart guys thinking about stuff.
They're intelligent.
That's why they call it the intelligence community.
It's a bunch of smart people with important info.
Yeah, tired old jokes about military intelligence being an oxymoron come to mind.
That was actually even in a Doctor Who episode, I think, in the 60s.
But realistically, you know, I was of the mind that these people must be highly intelligent and skilled with all the analytical thinking and cryptographic problem-solving they have to do.
They'd also have to be reliable, considering the exhaustive background checks, psychological evaluations, and mental fitness tests they need to go through for these positions.
But this story dismantled whatever preconceptions I had left about military intelligence.
The tale of the Gulf Breeze 6 has been floating around the paranormal and parapolitical ether since the early 90s, but I was recently reminded of it when researching the Radcath Apocalypse episode, specifically around claims of the Antichrist and UFOs.
This is an insane tale, a true mystery, but it's also a frustrating one, because a few years after the initial explosion of news coverage in the early 90s, the trail has gone completely cold.
If you do this, people will die.
July 13th, 1990. A beat-up VW van coasts down a single-lane highway, ocean water on either side.
It moves through the sleepy beach town of Gulf Breeze, Florida, which happened to be the UFO hotspot of the world at the time.
The driver, a young, clean-cut 19-year-old man, minds his speed, driving carefully.
That's why he's surprised to see a flashing red and blue saturate his vision.
A brief blip of the siren is all it takes for him to pull over.
His stomach sinks, and he goes cold and clammy in the few minutes it takes for the officer to sidle up to his window.
Do you know why I pulled you over?
Uh, no sir.
Your tail light's out.
I didn't realize that, officer.
I'll get it fixed.
I'll write you up with a warning this time.
Give me your license.
I'm sorry, sir, but I don't have it with me.
This, paired with the nervousness the driver was telegraphing, was enough to heighten the cop's suspicion.
What's your name, then?
I'll call it in.
The young man hesitates, then takes a breath.
Michael Huckstead?
But please don't look me up.
Stay in the vehicle.
Do not move.
As the officer turns back towards his cruiser, Michael pleads.
You don't understand.
If you do this, it will ruin everything and people will die.
The policeman, now nervous himself, radios HQ and fills them in.
He's told that Michael is a soldier that's gone AWOL, one of a group of six, and to bring him in immediately.
He approaches Michael's window.
Step out of the vehicle now.
Michael trembles, but tries to make his voice slow and deliberate.
If you take me in, you'll have signed my death warrant.
As the officer leads a handcuffed Michael Huckstead to his cruiser, Michael screams...
You're going to kill me!
This is going to kill me!
You don't know what you've done!
Back at the station, the police phoned it into the army.
They were told not to interrogate any further.
Army police would be there soon and take over the case.
Soon, the rest of the five soldiers would be rounded up, four of them being at the house of a woman named Anna Foster.
She was a local psychic.
In July of 1990, a group of soldiers stationed in Germany left their coast and came to see me in Gulf Breeze to discuss their paranormal experiences.
I found that their experiences primarily had to do with the Ouija board.
So let's just forget about the Ouija board line for a while and continue.
All six had gone AWOL from a military intelligence base in Augsburg, Germany.
All six were intelligence officers.
They were then disappeared for weeks while the military pieced the story together.
And soon, a flood of news stories hit the globe.
Soldiers allegedly desert to kill Antichrist.
Soldiers linked to cult nabbed in Florida.
U.S. soldiers go AWOL to find Jesus in a spaceship.
And six decide to be all they can be in outer space.
That one, I like that one.
That should be the Space Force tagline.
They're having a little bit of fun.
That's so wholesome.
So, we've got a group of army intelligence officers who are supposedly in an end-of-the-world cult, who've gone AWOL and traveled internationally to kill the Antichrist and greet a UFO piloted by Jesus.
Got it.
Absurd in Augsburg.
Field Station Augsburg, in Augsburg, Germany, was about an hour outside Munich, in the heart of Bavaria.
It was built as a Cold War base in the 70s, and was the second largest intelligence base in Europe, next to Field Station Berlin, and one of the most vital intelligence gathering posts in Europe, with a thousand personnel working 24-7 shifts.
It had massive antennae and radar arrays, and other spy ship.
Can you guys describe what this base looks like in the arrays?
It's a bizarre, like two rings of circles, and then the rings are composed of these very long holes.
It looks very spooky.
It's very paranormal, anomalous stuff going on here.
It looks like something that a Q drop reader would point to as evidence for a future proves past.
I mean, it's weird enough looking that you could see why people might want to bake around it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm picturing a Trump supporter, like, comparing this to a photo of, like, a donut that Donald Trump is eating.
Is it a reference?
Yeah.
It was run by the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, a.k.a.
INSCOM, a signals intelligence station that worked hand-in-hand with the NSA. Intercepted data would be sent to the NSA for processing and analysis, especially encrypted messages.
This is their logo here.
This seems like a Metal Gear agency.
No, it's the INSCOM. It really is the INSCOM logo.
Or it was at the time.
It's like a golden key.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's like a golden key, but it also kind of looks like the University of Michigan logo.
The base employed cryptographers, linguists, and analysts tasked with intercepting communications from Eastern Bloc countries and break down critical information on their activities.
The intelligence would have contributed to a comprehensive understanding of Soviet activities, troop movements, and communication patterns.
As an aside, in the early 80s it was overseen by Major General Albert Stubblebine, who inspired John Ronson's The Men Who Stare at Goats.
While at Augsburg, Stubblebine was pushing for the military's use of psychic abilities like remote viewing and other paranormal activity.
I'm not sure if this is just a coincidence with what's to come, but putting it out there right now.
Wait, so they're doing paranormal, parapsychological stuff at the base where these six guys just happen to go AWOL to look for Jesus in a spaceship?
Yeah.
We do this to ourselves every time.
Every time.
It's nobody's—it's just not these guys' fault.
What are you doing— Putting them in chairs in different dark rooms and being like, what's he thinking about 10 rooms away?
I feel like powerful white guys really got this out of their system in the 70s and 80s.
They're like, we have all this power, what if it's real?
We gotta start taking tech, undisclosed locations, and power away from middle-aged white guys.
Augsburg was home to the 701st Military Intelligence Brigade, who were the core personnel on the base gathering intelligence and accessing classified material, all with top-secret clearance.
These people were subjected to long hours of monitoring signals, isolated from the outside world.
Obviously, security was extremely tight, which suffused the atmosphere with tension.
It was mentally and emotionally demanding, with high pressure to perform.
This meant personnel were held to an extremely high standard and put through brutal trials to qualify, supposedly.
They were vetted for reliability, stability, mental fitness, and trustworthiness, just as important was their cognitive ability.
They were screened for high IQ, and we need to be able to process huge amounts of data and identify what's important to find the patterns in the chaotic fragments and synthesize conclusions about them.
Of these hundreds in the brigade, six soldiers came together to probe the nature of consciousness and the great beyond.
They were...
Sergeant Annette P. Eccleston, early 20s, the only female of the group and one of the more vocal members.
Specialist Kenneth G. Beeson, 26, from Jefferson, Tennessee.
He had a lifelong interest in UFOs and was a hypnosis enthusiast.
Specialist Vance A. Davis, 25, from Kansas.
Vance was the farthest out of the group.
He'd studied mind control and self-hypnosis and claimed to have been specially trained by the NSA. Private Michael Huckstead, the 19-year-old stopped by the cops from Wyoming.
Not much else is known of him.
Private Chris P. Purlock, 20, from Wisconsin.
He was interested in psychic phenomena and previously knew the psychic Anna Foster, whose home they were picked up at.
And Private William N. Settleburg, 20, from Pittsburgh.
He was known to be quiet, but committed.
So yeah, they were ages 19 to 26, all very young.
Can someone sort of describe their general look and vibe from these mugshot photos of them?
Yes.
Starting on the left with Eccleston, we have Sean Penn.
Next to him, we've got...
Eccleston is a woman.
Oh.
Yes.
Well, Sean Penn.
The female Sean Penn.
The female Sean Penn.
Or Juliette Lewis.
Ah, there we go.
Yes.
Okay, Sederberg, we've got Sean Astin.
Davis.
I'm going to say Jake Busey.
A little bit.
A little bit of Jake Busey.
Not even remotely.
You don't think?
Jake Busey.
I love that Jake went into what actor do these people look like?
Yeah.
Who are we going to cast?
Who are we going to cast?
I think a Baldwin brother, like the youngest Baldwin.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Baldwin brother for Davis.
Huckstead, he's a little bit more Jake Busey, but he's kind of got the long face.
Beeson is like Big Guy from Guardians of the Galaxy.
Oh, Batista?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Batista, but like a little bit younger, a little bit thinner.
Okay.
And then Perlock, I don't know, maybe like a Bateman?
He's a little more of a meathead, I feel like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyways, you get the idea.
You can't see the pictures, listeners, but you go ahead and cast the movie in your head.
I mean, yeah, I mean, honestly, it's a collection of, like, six mugshots of good-looking young people.
Like, if you told me that this was, like, oh, the mugshots that were collected after the police broke up a brawl at a college bar or something, I'd be like, oh, yeah, I buy that.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, 100%.
The Ouija made them do it.
In late 1989, around the fall of the Berlin Wall, Kenneth Beeson bought a Ouija board at the Augsburg Base's provisions store.
Oh, they should not be selling that there.
Why would they have a Ouija board there?
Yeah.
This somewhat innocuous act was to be the beginning of the end for our fated six.
Have any of you actually used a Ouija board?
Or played with one?
Twice.
I think so, in high school.
It was very clear which guy was fucking with it, though.
He was not pretending.
It was very obvious.
I had two really bad experiences with a Ouija board.
Bad experiences?
Yeah.
One was at a sleepover in junior high school, and we made our own Ouija board by drawing...
The letters on a paper, because we wanted to play Ouija, but we didn't have it.
We drew it, and at one point we asked for the spirits in the room to show us a sign, and at that exact moment, all of the power in the house went out.
Whoa.
And we ran out of the room screaming.
I'll never forget it.
And then the other time I used a Ouija board, I was at a friend's condo.
I had a wealthy friend from college who would take our friends on these amazing little trips, and they had a condo in Vail, and we were going skiing.
And they had a Ouija board there, and we decided to play with it, and I decided that I was going to fuck with all of them, and I was going to secretly move the board.
And then something else took over.
I don't know if it was somebody else who out-fucked me and was trying to prank us, but there was a moment where it basically was moving by itself, and it was saying all this really unsettling stuff.
I won't get into it, but it was really two awful experiences, enough that I'll never touch one of those again.
For a primer, here's Anna Foster again on The Phenomena.
Imagine, if you will, that the Ouija board is like a dimensional doorway.
In using the board, you basically open yourself up as a receiving station.
You can get something positive, or you can get something extremely negative.
This lady really does give the vibe of, like, beautiful woman who will make you very bad, like, so much worse.
And that's exactly what she does.
According to them, their initial reasoning was that they wanted to either prove or disprove the existence of the paranormal, and to find out more about themselves in the process.
They had already been trying other esoteric techniques like hypnosis, courtesy of Beeson, and here's Vance Davis on that.
We were doing a lot of parapsychology research, a whole lot of it.
We did tarot cards, all that kind of stuff.
We were trying to disprove all of this stuff until the Ouija board happened.
Who do you think was the one who was fucking with them?
We'll talk about it at the end.
Okay, okay.
Vance Davis initially protested, but was outvoted by the others.
You see, Vance knew about Ouija boards and the dangers that could be unleashed from within, so the least he could do was start the first session with a prayer, asking Jesus to protect them.
Now picture six army intelligence personnel, in their uniforms, huddled around a table in their windowless living quarters on a cold December night.
Vance describes the scene here.
We lit one white candle and set up the recorder.
Bill had pencil and paper to record the letters.
I was nervous, but also excited because I could feel the energy in the room change to a higher order.
As we put our fingers on the planchette and started to ask if anyone was there, a feeling came through of yes.
The planchette started to move to these letters.
At first I thought Ken was moving the thing, and then Ken thought I was.
He continues.
We were introduced to an entity by the name of Sapphire.
The first question we asked of her was, who the Lord is?
She answered that Jesus Christ is the one and only Lord.
We found that she used to be living on our plane and had died at age 89 in a place called Sabina, Georgia in the 1960s.
I should tell you that I knew she was a female origin because of the energy I felt coming through.
I love this guy.
He's like, I can sense a female even through the afterlife.
It was the pheromones, you can tell.
It was motherly and not so physical like a male would be.
You know, like a male would get physical with you.
Yeah, kind of push you around, kind of push you around.
Women don't get physical with me at all, ever.
So I'm not sure if they meant Georgia the country or Georgia the state, but there's no town by the name of Sabina in either.
Maybe there was at one point, but I couldn't find one.
So here's Art Bell of Coast to Coast asking Vance the right questions about this first experience.
There you were, blundering your way in, sitting down at a Ouija board.
Were you guys drinking?
No.
We didn't have a drink for the next probably five months.
No drugs?
No drugs.
Alright, so you sat down at the Ouija board first time.
What happened?
The best way I can put it, that energy or a person showed up to the board and you basically felt it.
The energy in the room got very highly energized.
Yes, the energy got highly energized.
I mean, you're right.
This is funny because what I imagine is like they're basically doing what like teenage girls have done for like many generations.
They have a sleepover and they, you know, try, you know, they watch the craft and they try to make each other float or something.
But most of the time they have a spooky experience and it's a funny story to tell for years afterwards.
But these guys, they take themselves so seriously because they're Army intelligence personnel.
They decide that it was actually profoundly significant, at least enough to talk to Art Bell about it.
Yeah, I'm sure.
And three weeks earlier at the base, one of them had moved a pencil eraser with his brain like a quarter of a centimeter.
These guys are different.
They're not like us.
Besides the main entity, Sapphire, they also talked to the Virgin Mary, the Old Testament prophet Zechariah, and Mark and Timothy from the New Testament.
These entities started to reveal prophecies that were to unfold in the world.
Visions of natural disasters, social upheavals, and war.
The entities that spoke to us on the Ouija board predicted the LA riots two years before they happened.
Future predictions the entities made to us included a major earthquake in California in 93 with a magnitude of approximately 8.3, a major earthquake in Seattle in 93, which will trigger the eruption of Mount Rainier, A major gas leak and explosion in New York City in 93,
also the collapse of European royalty in 93, the forming of the United States of Europe in 93. The entities predicted to us the Gulf War in May of 1990, three months before it happened.
As we got more involved with using the board, the information that we had received reached levels beyond our imagination.
So, you know, in hindsight, of those listed, the Gulf War and ally riots definitely happened.
And the European Union was indeed founded in 1993, so that was a hit.
But none of the others happened.
No, you know, big earthquake in Seattle, etc.
But I don't know how specific the language was for those other predictions.
And you'll get an idea of what the prophecies read like word for word here.
Fifty of the major scientists in the U.S. will disappear, and that is a warning for all aware people to heed.
A great upheaval in Florida will raise ancient cities of Lemuria, the land of the Red People.
That's in Florida now?
Okay, sure.
Riots in major cities will be caused by monetary food and racial tensions stirred by the new laws passed.
Wow, that is prescient.
Martial law declared in all major cities like New York, Los Angeles, and Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh shout out.
That's good.
Constitution suspended for 90 days to calm the nation and to control crime in major cities.
It also prophesied this.
Iran earthquake, over 300,000 killed or injured.
Now, an earthquake did indeed hit Iran shortly after, and although it was more like 40,000 killed, it was still one of the deadliest quakes in modern times.
It should be said that quakes in Iran are relatively frequent, maybe the most frequent of anywhere on Earth, but this prediction was ultimately what made them true believers in the entity.
During the third session, the Ouija entity offered up the name of a woman in Germany named Gabriel.
They were to rendezvous with her to receive important documents about the UFO and extraterrestrial situation.
According to Vance, rendezvous they did.
The documents included tracks from the Ashtar Command, which was a supposed galactic organization, and the writings of Bill Cooper, author of Behold a Pale Horse.
So basically it's just like which one of them knew Gabriel?
Right.
Like whoever knew Gabriel is the one who's pushing this.
The most dire warning was about a false messiah or antichrist that would lead the world astray and must be stopped.
The entities told the Six that they were special, chosen to help the world against this impending apocalypse and rapture.
The messages grew increasingly urgent.
Vance Davis said, The entities told us that the world was at a critical juncture and that we were chosen to make a difference.
It felt real.
It was impossible not to believe it.
And Beeson said, My recurring messages from the spirits and disciples included that the world would end soon and that I needed to leave Germany to flee to the wilderness and learn to survive on the land.
During their final session, they were told by Sapphire that they must leave the military immediately and go to Gulf Breeze, Florida.
If they didn't, millions would die, and they'd miss the rapture and wouldn't go to heaven.
They were told they needed to get this message to the president himself.
They were given specific instructions on how to go AWOL without being caught.
It gave them dates, names, and told them how to forge paperwork to travel internationally.
The board also told them their phones were tapped and that the military apparently knew of their plans.
Here's Annette Eccleston reflecting back on that moment.
In a period of about six months, we really only used the board seven times.
The phenomenal part of this whole situation is that we as a group got together, and in only seven sessions, we had enough information that convinced us that we needed to leave.
The way that this should have ended is that right before they're about to do all the illegal shit, one of them's like, I'm just fucking with you guys.
I was doing that.
None of this is real.
AWOL. On the beach.
We've been given instructions.
We will be the ones to help humanity rebuild.
It's all been foretold.
On July 9th, they gave away personal items, destroyed documents in a ritual to sever from the past, forged papers, and left Europe on their divine mission to destroy the Antichrist slash false messiah.
You'd think the military, especially an intelligence branch, would have quickly figured out something was awry.
But somehow, all six were able to move through international airports without being noticed.
Their first stop was Chattanooga, Tennessee, where a man named Stan Johnson picked them up from the airport.
He sold them a VW bus which was to be their wheels to Gulf Breeze in Florida.
Before they all left, Beeson spent a night with his sister and brother-in-law who lived in the area.
What asked what he was doing in town, he replied, The end is coming.
And I've been given the task to fight against it.
We are not crazy.
We are the ones who see the truth.
This messianic apocalyptic talk confused and alarmed his siblings.
They feared for his mental state.
Beeson's sister said, He was absolutely convinced that what they were doing was real and that they had no choice but to follow these instructions.
He looked me in the eyes and said, We are saving the world.
I can't explain it all, but you have to trust me.
It must be kind of scary.
It's your sibling going AWOL and telling you that.
Yeah.
He bid them farewell and the group piled in the VW and hurtled toward Gulf Breeze.
Why Gulf Breeze?
Besides being a sleepy panhandle town with beautiful beaches, it was one of the biggest UFO hotspots in the world at the time.
UFOs seemed to be a subject suffused throughout the prophecies and papers they were given.
It's such a crazy coincidence that the UFOs always go to the areas where people are most insane.
Yeah, and it just happens to be, you know, a beautiful, warm beach town.
And here's, I found this t-shirt they were selling at the time of the UFO craze there, if someone can describe it.
That's awesome.
It's an alien and he's got a little towel and he's lounging on the beach.
Probably getting a suntan behind him.
There's like a, I guess a UFO abducting someone maybe.
Catching some rays in Gulf of East Florida.
That's a cool t-shirt.
Yeah, I want it.
I want this.
The Gulf Breeze UFO flap kicked off with a series of odd sightings and experiences by a local real estate broker named Ed Walters.
He snapped a series of eerie looking photos of a glowing UFO in the sky.
The photos were examined by quote unquote optics experts at the Mutual UFO Network who concluded they were likely real.
This post has been fact checked.
Yes.
By real alien experts.
And here's a photo for someone to describe.
Looks very blurry, especially on the edges of the UFO. Like, it's, I guess, a bluish circular disc in the sky.
I mean, what does it look like to you guys?
Like, it looks to me sort of like a ceiling fan without the blades.
Yeah, yeah.
Ceiling fan without the blades, I think, is a good...
It's a good comp.
It reminds me, honestly, of the Billy Meyer UFO photographs where it looks so fake that you're like, hmm, you know, they wouldn't post this because it looks too easily fake, so it must be real.
He also told of strange encounters with the pilots.
He was paralyzed with bright beams of light and beamed up.
He described shadowy beings examining him and disorienting disembodied voices.
A journalist who interviewed him described some of these visions.
Ed's subconscious mind was bombarded with images of naked women.
Big, little, fat, skinny, black, white, of all ages and shapes, even pregnant ones.
What?
We have a goon or alien?
Just being like, I can do nothing with any of these beautiful, bountiful women.
I will put the images in your head.
Very equal opportunity.
Yeah, yeah.
So, a 20-something in the army.
Suddenly, God couldn't stop thinking about naked women.
Just, yeah, inexplicable.
The aliens are like, aren't you horny, private?
The photos and abduction claims set off a worldwide media frenzy.
And like a virus, scores of other sightings rolled in.
The problem was, Ed was a known trickster.
Further analysis of the photo concluded they were likely faked, either with miniatures or manipulation.
The nail in the coffin came from the new owners of Ed's previous house, who found a model UFO made from styrofoam in the attic.
It exactly matched the one in the photos.
And of course he said it was planted there.
And that's the real estate broker, Ed, there.
He does look like a trickster, doesn't he?
He looks very confident.
He does not look like a guy who actually believes in UFOs.
Adding fuel to the Gulf Breeze 6 UFO connection was that a huge MUFON symposium was taking place in town around their arrival.
The problem was they arrived the day after the symposium ended.
So either they missed it by mistake or weren't planning to attend in the first place.
This is the amazing flyer that they created for the event.
This is awesome.
I actually love the art on it.
It's like humanoid aliens and they have a little pouch in their crotch.
I like that detail.
Most of the body isn't drawn in in terms of its texture.
It's like a little crease where the legs and the groin come together.
It adds a little bit of character.
It is kind of funny.
Yeah, there's no other distinguishing line.
I mean, it's very, like, sort of simple line work.
Yeah, except for this little detail.
In addition to the UFO connection, Gulf Breeze was also the home of the aforementioned Anna Foster, whose home four of the six were arrested at.
She was a locally known psychic who also ran a New Age bookshop.
Beeson and Perlock had met her some years back when they were training in Pensacola, right before their Augsburg assignment.
Beeson was also in love with her.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
Instead of walking them off the ledge like a good friend might do, she instead fed their New Age appetite by hosting even more Ouija board sessions and consciousness explorations.
This time, the Ouija entities told them a spacecraft would soon be landing in Gulf Breeze, perhaps piloted by Jesus himself, and they needed to pray, meditate, and conduct other rituals to prepare for the rapturous event.
Foster said, The messages they were getting were urgent.
They were talking about government conspiracies, aliens, and something dark that was about to unfold.
And who was the false prophet slash antichrist the group was supposedly to kill?
None other than likely UFO hoaxer Ed Walters.
So they were going to kill this real estate agent.
Jesus!
Oh my god.
If all went according to plan, after Gulf Breeze and the Rapture, the group was to hole up together in a bunker for three years as the war raged on.
After the three years, they would emerge to guide the survivors of the apocalypse.
This is amazing, this collective delusion amongst this group of people.
Yeah.
Did she plant the Ed Walters?
I guess we don't know who came up with what specific thing.
Yeah, but it does seem like she was the one who planted the idea of UFOs into this whole thing.
I think it started off with just like Jesus stuff and the rapture and whatever, and she was like, no, UFOs are also involved.
Maybe, were they all in love with her?
I think there was some sort of love triangle going on.
Wow.
This is just amazing.
It's like when you can't get six people in the same room to agree on like, you know, you go to a you try to figure out what movie to watch.
Very difficult.
But somehow you have all of these people that are deciding, hey, we're going to totally give up our careers, become criminals and fugitives in the process, and all for this because of these messages that were relayed on a Ouija board.
I mean, I guess the Ouija board experience must have been significant.
It must have been enough for them to go, holy shit, we've tapped into something that is totally real and we are special and we are...
And who knows if their conditioning, whatever they went through at this special sort of intelligence base, kind of primed and prepped them for being susceptible to these kind of beliefs.
Who knows?
Just you wait.
No one can agree on anything except for when they feel like they have insider information that they share and then it's like, okay, well.
Yeah, I think so.
And I wonder, who knows?
What if they were privy to information due to their careers?
Actual information that wasn't necessarily exactly this but was enough to make the fiction seem like it was plausible.
Well, they like being in on things, right?
It's like, oh yeah, I know this crazy thing about a Soviet troop movement that like, you know, a hundred people in the West are aware of right now.
Like, I'm important.
And this is where we come full circle back to Michael Huckstadt's apprehension by police on July 13th.
Back at Anna's house, police found a number of packed duffel bags and suitcases, $4,000 of cash, and a mysterious computer disk that was never talked about again.
After they were all rounded up, they were whisked away to Fort Benning in Georgia, and then the more ominous Fort Knox in Kentucky.
This was serious.
On the extreme end, they could be sentenced to death if they were found guilty of espionage, though a death penalty by the military hasn't been meted out since 1961. The espionage charge could stick if they were found in possession of classified materials, or if they'd been working with some outside actor, wittingly or unwittingly.
If they were charged with desertion, the punishment could also be brutal.
They were held in solitary, and for weeks, no one heard from them or knew their fate.
They were terrified, with Beeson allegedly suffering a psychotic break in the prison shower.
They were interrogated by army intelligence, the CIA, and the NSA. They ostensibly all gave the same story, that a Ouija board told them Armageddon was soon upon us and the rapture hot on its heels.
Jesus would return, piloting a flying saucer, and the soldiers needed to be there to greet him.
In the end, they were charged with a still very serious crime of desertion, yet their ultimate fate and consequences were still unknown.
But an enigmatic communique broke this feeling of limbo.
A teletype was sent to the Army and to the Associated Press, ABC, NBC, CBS, and more.
This was the message.
Free the Gulf Breeze 6. We have the missing plans, the box of 500-plus photos, and the plans you want back.
Here is proof with close-ups cut out.
Next, we send the close-ups and then everything, unless they are released.
Answer the code, AUXBB3CM. It's speculated that that code at the bottom is some kind of cipher, and that would mean, you know, whoever it is sending this is in the know about cryptographic keys at Augsburg.
And then these were the photos that were enclosed.
Someone want to describe those?
Very grainy.
And I think in each photo there's this saucer-like blob, and I think that those are supposed to be UFOs.
These are supposed to be real UFOs.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, it could.
It looks like a smudge of permanent marker, if that's Oh, did they just put, like, the newspaper behind some film or something?
Yes, I think so.
To make it look like that's what these are?
Okay.
Yeah.
To this day, the origin of that message is unknown.
It's never been revealed who wrote it or what information it was referring to.
What is known, however, is that three days after the message was sent, the six were miraculously released.
They were given general discharges, so not dishonorable, and just docked a half month's pay.
So that was the only repercussion.
So there was no court martial, no jail time, which is just unheard of in cases of soldiers going AWOL.
And they're plotting to kill a guy?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So although there's no direct evidence to support it, the timing of the teletype and the release is serendipitous in the least.
Perhaps it was graymail, which is, you know, the phenomenon of intelligence community defendants using classified data as a leverage so they don't get charged for things.
But perhaps it was also just a hoax and the timing was a coincidence.
I mean...
My pilled brain.
My pilled brain is going, well, these guys had something.
They had, like, maybe the only picture that the government sort of recognized as potentially legitimate UFOs.
And once they sent that, they were like, oh, well, we definitely don't want to fuck with these guys.
But why wouldn't you just, you know, send them to a base in Antarctica, like they say in the movies?
You know, you can make them disappear.
Yeah.
Regardless, some high-level intervention was at play behind the scenes to arrange such a cushy discharge.
There are rumors that Senator Bob Dole intervened with at least some evidence.
Yeah, and there was at least some evidence to support that being true.
It was also floated that George H.W. Bush was involved, of which there's no evidence beyond Vance Davis himself.
And here's Vance on that.
While we were still held incommunicado, a meeting was held by President George Bush, Colin Powell, Director of the CIA, Secretary of State, basically our all chain of command.
We embarrassed them.
They were meeting because they did not know what to do with us, to release us, hang us, or make us disappear.
I assume my big here is that there wasn't just six of them.
And then maybe there was some other guy and they had classified info because, you know, they come across classified info, probably maybe about some like Soviet thing that they didn't want the Soviets knowing they knew of.
And that that announcement was like, you know, the other person will leak this or whatever if you do anything bad with them.
And they were like, ah, whatever, it's not these fucking crazy people.
It's not worth the trouble.
Yeah, I mean, maybe they didn't want the Soviets to know how absolutely psycho their, you know, supposedly top-level intelligence guys were, what idiots they were, how ineffective and useless, and actually like a liability.
Maybe they didn't want them to use that against the United States for whatever reason.
It feels like there's so many reasons that they could have gotten let go.
After their release, a few of the soldiers returned to Gulf Breeze and gave sparing interviews to local media, as well as appearing on Fox's 1993 paranormal program, Sightings.
These interviews contradicted many of the bizarre claims of their adventures.
They downplayed or denied any talk of the Antichrist, UFOs, apocalyptic cults, or raptures.
They were just misunderstood soldiers on a spiritual journey.
They simply went AWOL to meet up with friends.
That's so interesting to be, like, so immediately unpilled.
I'm like, oh, never mind.
I mean, you know, I'm saying here that they definitely weren't given these talking points by an embarrassed military, right?
Yes, of course.
Right, I see.
Chris Perlock's dad, Ron, said this about the whole affair.
My son said there is no cult, and he has done nothing wrong.
He told me not to believe anything they say.
I think something went awry, and army officials are trying to cover it up.
Tom Davis, Vance's dad, said, My son is not weird. .
If he was involved in some kind of cult, he would have broken ties with us.
He sounded good.
He didn't sound frightened.
William Sederberg told the Pennsylvania newspaper that it was just stress and job burnout that led to the desertion.
When asked about the end-of-the-world cult, the Antichrist or UFOs, he replied, I don't know where they got that baloney.
Classic baloney.
After these few interviews, none of the six, including psychic Anna Foster, spoke to the media again.
All newspapers and supermarket tabloids dropped the blockbuster story, too.
They either couldn't or didn't want to talk about it.
Well, everyone besides Vance Davis, who's written a book about the experience called Unbroken Promises, which is almost unreadable, and has appeared on Coast to Coast with Art Bell and other paranormal pods a number of times.
Unfortunately, Vance may be the most unreliable narrator of the six, since he was so paranormal-pilled already.
Here he is on sightings a couple years after the discharge.
If I could make a difference in the world, and if meaning going AWOL and giving my life for that would make a difference, then to me that's a good sacrifice.
And I was willing to sacrifice that.
Also, I felt the information we were getting was important enough not to be hidden.
If there's a possibility of it happening, people need to be told.
Crazy necklace that he's got.
Yeah.
There's still deep in it.
There's still, yeah.
Beeson and Foster married, but the New Age love didn't last.
The rest have gone on to lead relatively normal American lives, working for insurance companies and as accountants.
The segment of the sightings episode they were featured in ended with this.
According to Vance Davis, the group hopes that their Ouija predictions for the coming year don't come true.
If they should come to pass, the group believes that it will signal six years of cataclysmic change.
Once the catastrophic chain of events begins, all six members say that they will go into hiding and won't re-emerge until the year 2000. I really wish that they had gone into hiding and they would just have come out 10 years later.
Yeah, it's like, same, nothing happened, guys.
It's like, shoot, fuck.
No, I would like them to, like, come out right before the year 2000, enough time to understand, to get paranoid about the Y2K bug, and then go back into hiding to escape that, too.
I would like them.
Yeah, it's like the groundhog who saw his shadow.
They would step out on September 10th, 2001, and then September 12th, 2001, they would go back into hiding.
No, no, no.
They would see their shadow and have 25 years of a surveillance state.
If the groundhog sees the planes go into the tower, there's going to be 25 years of the surveillance state.
When was history?
There are four main theories on a spectrum from pragmatic to parapolitical to prophetic.
One, they were already deeply pilled and the stress and pressure of life at Augsburg was enough to foster groupthink and push them off the deep end.
That the military was just disorganized and let them run rampant internationally for a week.
That's sort of the, maybe the Occam's razor one.
Number two, same as the first part of one, but that the military knew what they were generally up to and just let it happen to see what would unfold.
Sort of like an experiment?
Again, maybe?
Three, that the military or some other clandestine group engineered the whole thing as an experiment.
The six would have been deliberately grouped together because of their New Age proclivities and intentionally fed apocalyptic info as some kind of a mind game.
In this scenario, and the one above, there could have been an effort to undermine and muddy the waters around the UFO phenomena, as the CIA was known to do.
A great reference here is Mark Pilkington's Mirage Men, which investigates how U.S. military and intelligence agencies used UFO stories to mislead the public, hiding classified projects and running psychological operations.
Brad, when we do the movie of this, that'll be the twist, number three.
I think that's a good – that'll be a good realistic twist that is actually engineered as an experiment.
And so we'll kind of – yeah, we'll kind of make the audience think that, oh, maybe they're on to something like the whole time.
And then at the end, the twist will be is that the military did this all as an experiment.
That's good.
All right.
Good.
Sold.
And number four, they were getting actual transmissions from beyond.
I mean, Occam's Razor, that was the shortest explanation.
That's true.
Yes.
Okay.
Liv, you've really come around.
Also, yeah, I think in the movie we can maybe let it be a little bit sort of ambiguous.
Maybe some people will interpret the ending as that they actually were getting the transmissions, and other people will say, no, no, it was the government sort of pushing them on this experiment to see...
How far their soldiers would go.
I like that.
I think that's good.
In addition to the third one, it's not like the military is above that morally in terms of deceiving people.
It's a little convoluted.
Yes, and we don't know why exactly they would do it.
For evidence of the first two scenarios, I can't overstate just how pilled these soldiers were to begin with.
Vance Davis by far was leading in this distinction.
When he was younger, he practiced the Silva Mind Control Method, a self-help program focused on meditation and mental training to enhance intuition and psychic abilities.
He also dabbled in self-hypnosis and would put himself into deep trances to contact entities from beyond.
In one of these trances, he met a green-skinned alien woman named Kia.
I'm imagining an Orion girl from Star Trek here.
And she corrected his flat feet overnight to quote,"...a seven-foot-tall alien woman did the surgery in my mind." And I woke up the next morning.
My mom heard me walking and she told me to stop and said, look down.
And I looked down.
My feet were perfectly straight.
I had to wear braces when I was a kid and I could not ever run.
My feet were so bended that I would trip over just walking down the hallway.
I had flat feet.
I mean, completely flat.
It happened over one night.
So this is like a retelling of Forrest Gump of how he got the braces off of his legs.
Kia also told him, It is a crazy coincidence that, like, all the aliens that visit these sort of guys are fuckable, you know?
Like, you'd think that they wouldn't have developed in a way that's, like, clearly hot and sexual, sort of.
Of course.
After these dalliances with psychic phenomena, he enlisted in the military and claims he was swiftly recruited by the NSA because of his high aptitude and abilities.
But this was no ordinary recruitment, as they took him aside and retrained him in the real history of the human race.
What I learned was why history happened, who history was, why or when history was.
The dates in the book are not all that accurate.
Those are accepted dates, not factual dates.
They track history and history goes through patterns.
People may change.
Faces may change.
Technology may change, but the patterns stay in place.
There are the world wars that happen every hundred years.
This is such a beautiful cliche of pseudo-history.
It's not even like the empires collapse every 250 years.
It's like a different one.
I've never heard the world war every 100 years.
Yeah, that's an interesting claim.
He was also told that The human race was not created, born, linked to the apes.
We are survivors of a great war.
The human race, as we see ourselves today, even our ancient relatives were basically put on this planet and cut off from the rest of the universe.
We have a special gene that cannot be copied.
It cannot be manipulated.
They have tried.
We were told that this is called the Jesus gene.
The shroud of Turin faces etched on every cell.
Ah, yes.
On another coast-to-coast appearance, he tells Art about a peculiar experiment with a balloon.
So they perceived you as having a talent for this kind of communication.
A perceived talent, yes.
And they were testing me on that.
That went on for about three months until they asked me to pop a balloon.
To pop a balloon.
To pop a balloon.
A very simple experiment.
You mean with your mind?
Yes.
I didn't take it you meant with a pin.
No.
That's easy.
And you can pop a balloon with your mind.
With the right concentration and the right focus, yes.
In fact, I could give you analogies and physical people in the martial arts field that can do the same thing, Art.
It always goes back to Aikido or something.
It's such a strange example because it's so remarkably useless.
It's like, you know what?
With my psychic powers, I can ruin a four-year-old's birthday party.
At least in The Men Who Stare at Goats, you would stare at a goat and kill it.
Yeah, that's much scarier.
Because that's your dinner.
I can sort of make a child sad at Disneyland because they're balloon deflated.
That's not a skill.
I wonder if this guy, when he went in for his military interview or whatever, they said, do you have any special skills or anything like that?
And he was like, well, I've been practicing mind control.
I can move a pencil about a centimeter, give or take.
And they went, yeah, we've got another room to lead you into.
Pull you aside.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, the obvious takeaway here is, you know, this was all sci-fi fantasy in his head.
But I think there's the small possibility that he was told this stuff, and he was just for some reason being fucked with or primed for something.
Next up in the PILD ranking was Ken Beeson.
Stan Johnson, who sold them the VW van, said this of him.
He was a very nice fellow, but very gullible.
He was one of those people who believed anything someone would tell him.
The idea that he was arrested or that he was hanging around with cult-like groups didn't surprise me.
He kind of lived in a science-fiction fantasy world sometimes.
Some excerpts from Beeson's private journal were released and had tracks like...
I have also had various dreams about Armageddon since about age 9. These dreams have depicted the end of the world in various ways.
Earlier in my life, I tried to dismiss the dreams as not having any significance.
However, I know now that my dreams were sent to me as visions from God.
I believe these dreams to be true.
And also?
The government knows who they are providing humans for experimentation and the Antichrist is coming to Earth.
They are in league with dark forces, and we are the only ones who can stop it.
Ken also believed in early secret space program stuff that included the U.S. having a joint base on the far side of the moon with the good aliens.
He also thought he had been a sacrifice to the gods in a previous life.
Some of the others also had a history of prophetic dreams and visions.
So, Hmm.
on the case.
Of the 1,400 pages, 1,200 were redacted.
That might initially raise eyebrows, but it could just be to all the sensitive and classified info of the day-to-day back at Augsburg.
Maybe.
Jacques Vallée has some of the most interesting takes on this chaotic web.
For those who need a primer, Jacques is one of the most respected authorities in the UFO research world, known for his theories linking UFOs more to psychological, cultural, and dimensional phenomena, beyond the typical extraterrestrial narrative.
In his book, Revelations, Alien Contact and Human Deception, he starts by asking the questions.
How on earth did these soldiers know nearly one month in advance that war was about to erupt in the Middle East?
What motivated the incredible leniency of the army when it simply discharged six intelligence communications specialists who had been missing for a whole week?
How did these soldiers manage to elude the FBI and the army for so long?
How did they get back into the United States without being picked up by immigration officers, who surely must have had their names prominently highlighted on their computer list at every port of entry?
He continues with skepticism about the Ouija sessions.
Is it plausible that six smart soldiers—they may have been deluded, but they certainly demonstrated that they were not stupid—would have taken such a radical step as desertion purely on the basis of telepathic impressions?
Is it not more likely that the messages about Armageddon and the salvation by UFOs came to them through the same security channels they were using in their work—a channel which, by definition, would be above suspicion of tampering?
Should we conclude the U.S. military communications channel may have been compromised by one or more cults with extreme beliefs, with the willingness to exploit the naivete of the ufologists to further their own goals.
Yeah, I thought that was really interesting that they might not have been getting these messages from the Ouija board, but might have been getting them through their communications.
And then if that were the case, it could actually be part of some weird experiment.
My attempts at contacting the Six or their relatives or fellow soldiers proved completely fruitless.
But I did find this in the comment section of a blog post about the saga, edited for length.
I was stationed with these chowderheads and even went to Pensacola with most of them.
Vance, while a friendly guy, was never anything close to being a soldier.
Noted throughout the unit for being a compulsive liar, I have no idea how this guy ever got a security clearance higher than confidential.
They continue.
Huckstead and the other young guys were good fellas.
I think they just got caught up and felt important and were led on by older soldiers whom they wanted acceptance from.
Trust me, if higher intelligence from the great beyond was looking for someone on Earth to talk to and save, it would have been a group far less pitiful and goofy.
The leaders of this thing misled the trust of the younger soldiers who had promising futures.
I'm still laughing with a sad smile.
Getting spooked.
I did find the next best person to talk to, though, and the cap on this episode is an interview with him.
Tanner Boyle is the creator of a newsletter and subset called Getting Spooked, where he investigates and writes about the intersection between the paranormal and the parapolitical, particularly around the UFO phenomena, at gettingspooked.com.
His article Fear and Loathing at MUFON Pennsylvania got me hooked.
He's written about 20 articles on the Gulf Breeze Six, which includes some of the only original research done in years.
From him, I learned that the Six were big LARPers and D&D nerds, and like real LARPing with foam swords, etc.
Oh, awesome.
Yep.
He's even been in touch with that soldier who worked alongside the Six at Augsburg, who wrote that comment on the message board, which I asked him to dish more on, as well as some broader ufological discussion.
How did you get into the parapolitics of the UFO phenomena?
So I've always been like, I don't want to say a UFO buff.
I guess I was more of a Fordian is how I kind of came into it.
Like Charles Fort was literally my introduction to the field.
Same.
Really?
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah.
And then ufology, of course, just kind of latches on to anything in the fringe culture these days.
The parapolitics part came after reading a few different things, like Mark Pilkington's Mirage Men is pretty big.
Everybody with this particular stance on UFOs, that's their book.
You know, with some people, what gets them into it is they see a sighting.
Have you ever had a UFO sighting?
Sighting or experience?
Unfortunately, no.
But I am aware of this distinction, whereas I haven't experienced it.
I recognize the power of an actual experience as far as it goes towards belief.
I would like to see at least Bigfoot once in my life.
What draws you so deeply into the Gulf Breeze Sixth Story?
It's a weird subject because I feel like there's a lot written on it while at the same time not much detail has come out.
But as far as what interests me in it is I've never heard a super good explanation of their motivations and I really just wanted to unpack what was their guiding principle and was it just a Ouija board?
Because that seems like a wild thing to do based solely on what a disembodied spirit tells you.
Have you ever used a Ouija board?
No.
See, like I said, I'm skeptic, but I'm also very superstitious and would never use a Ouija board.
Just because in my brain, I'm like, I don't know who's communicating through this.
Which is something that the Gulf Rees Six did not consider.
Reading the copious amounts of news articles from the time about it, some accounts early on, it's like they were part of a cult.
The motivation was to go to Florida to kill the Antichrist.
Or the motivation was to meet Jesus on a UFO. And then later they say, no, it had nothing to do with UFOs whatsoever.
It was more revelations, biblical sort of stuff.
What have you distilled as being the actual core motivation that they had?
Or was it just confused and a big mess to begin with?
I think it's a little of both of those things.
It was six people, and I think those six people each had different sort of motivations, belief systems that could kind of be fit into this broader idea.
These were nerds at a base level.
And I mean, that's true with a lot of intelligence analysts, really.
It's kind of a nerdy position.
And I don't mean any disrespect by that, because I'm also a nerd.
But I think that sort of like an accumulation of different things that are nerd interests kind of got them to this place.
Have you ever tried in the course of your research to reach out and contact any of the six soldiers?
And how did that go?
I have tried to contact all six, plus the psychic that they stayed with in Gulf Breeze.
I've heard from like relatives or friends of some of them, but most of the time I get the impression that it's something they just really don't want to talk about.
Yeah.
Did you ever get a response back that was like, don't ask me about this or leave me alone?
Or was it just radio silence?
It's just radio silence.
And for at least a few of them, it was through multiple channels.
So I'm thinking it's more of something they just don't want to talk about.
So don't want to rather than can't?
I would say yes.
There's a lot of declassified documents in Vance Davis' book, so I don't think it's as secret secret as maybe like Coast to Coast AM made it seem when Vance Davis appeared on there.
I don't think the documents that are declassified really paint a story that's like, oh yeah, these guys were on to something.
They actually got future prophecy.
You mentioned to me that you recently did have an exchange with someone who was somewhat close to them.
Can you tell us about that?
It was basically a fellow analyst on the base, and he interacted with all six at some point, but knew some of them better than others.
And yeah, he just sort of remembered them as nerds and basically implied that they were doing, like, LARPing.
On the base.
And I think about how, like, if these characters were interested in things like that, it could have just been like a game, and each of them had their own spin on it.
When you say LARPing, what do you mean exactly?
I didn't get a whole lot of detail.
At least one of them was interested in Dungeons& Dragons, but I also heard mention of, like, the foam weapons.
Like, they had that at my college when I was in college.
So actual LARPing, like medieval style?
Okay.
Like the real stuff.
He basically just painted this picture of a group of normal, smart soldiers who were a little nerdy, and they went off their rocker a little bit.
So we'll get to the $6 million question, which is, what's your best guess at what actually happened?
And there's sort of a spectrum that starts at, it's just six soldiers who went off the deep end with the occult.
Two, this was a purposeful clandestine government experiment on these intelligence officers.
I think there are indications of both, which is what's ultimately very compelling about the story, but also very frustrating.
I do think it's important to emphasize them being influenced by a military operation kind of indirectly.
Lord knows Davis has implied that there's a whole bunch of strange things being done at the base before they left, and kind of gives an indication of being used in other appearances.
Even Valet, I think, thought it was some kind of test of the soldier's gullibility.
I certainly think it's plausible, just because that's the area of research I come from.
But honestly, the more I dug into it, the less I could confidently say that that was the case.
And it is in large part due to Davis being the ultimate unreliable narrator.
Yeah.
For people that really dig this episode...
And this story, are there any similar tales that you would recommend, like rabbit holes for people to go down, or that you've been either researching currently or have written about?
The Gulf Breeze 6 really has no comparison, unfortunately.
But I've been super interested in the claims of a former Defense Department translator named Bosco Nuttalkovic.
He claimed that the CIA faked alien abductions.
I've done a whole bunch of stuff trying to make sense of those claims.
Were they true?
What is Nedeljkovic's background?
It turns into a whole interesting web of individuals and...
Eventually it just starts, kind of like the Gulf Breeze 6 actually, it starts to become less about UFOs and more about like possible like intelligence things running in the background.
Is there something about Gulf Breeze 6 or something that you wanted to mention or have a thought on that I haven't brought up?
My favorite recent Gulf Breeze 6 fact came from that anonymous source who said that Vance Davis claimed to him to be the writer of the song Fantasy by Aldo Nova.
So yeah, the takeaway from that for me in all of this was they were nerds who liked to LARP and got in too deep.
Right.
You know, and...
And the whole part about them somehow being able to go AWOL for a week without detection is just a mystery we'll never know the answer to.
I mean, I think this comes down to the problem.
We've talked a lot about this, about like how frequently, it's not just Michael Flynn, how frequently ex-military intelligence people are very, very pilled.
And I have to chalk it up to the fact that, I mean, if you're working in military intelligence, then you're part of a small community of people who are responsible for understanding and keeping important secrets.
And you're responsible for collecting a bunch of data and information to understand when, for example, other countries are going to war.
So you're essentially responsible for predicting the future about apocalyptic events.
And this is like functionally, nearly functionally identical to being part of a secret society who sees, you know, who looks into the stones and sees what's going to happen in the future and the awful destruction that will befall the world.
And when you think about that, it's kind of like surprising that this kind of thing doesn't happen more frequently.
I mean, it's basically, I know military intelligence is basically a kind of like apocalyptic cult.
And if you just add LARPing to that, then it can go get way out of hand.
I think that's exactly right.
Powerful people who get high on their own supply for maybe somewhat good reasons, and they like the feeling of being inside of some important piece of information, being in on something, and then they get a Ouija board.
Yeah, it's like, if you know for a fact because of your job that the United States government and military are hiding certain facts from the public, then, yeah, why not?
You know, it makes it all that much easier to believe that what you've stumbled on is just also that, another thing that's being kept hidden from the public, so...
It takes down a level of...
It destroys a logic barrier that most people already kind of have in place, which is because they're not privy to it, right?
They don't see all the things.
They don't have knowledge of all of the ops that the government is running or how close we are to some sort of international conflict, whatever it is.
So you have somebody that's basically on the cliff of being pilled And they have, you know, an affinity to LARP anyways and be into D&D and to create narratives.
And yeah, this seems kind of like the perfect storm of conditions to be pilled on Ouija boards, aliens, and psychics.
It's a wonder why we haven't been annihilated in a nuclear apocalypse already.
Yeah, you know, it really sort of reframes the issue.
The reason why these military intelligence guys so easily believe things that sound absurd?
Because they learn about things that are as equally weird through the normal course of their jobs.
Yeah, that are just, you know, horrible like the Tuskegee experiment or whatever else.
Not UFOs, but just awful experimentation like MKUltra, etc.
Well, once again, Brad, you have dug into the depths of 90s history and brought us an incredible tale, one that I had never, ever heard of.
I feel like this is very kind of a rare AWOL, if you will, a rare Pokemon that we'll have to travel to the depths of Florida to uncover.
So thank you.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Thank you for listening to another episode of the QAA Podcast.
Brad, where can people find more of your delectable work like this?
On Twitter, I'm LoveAndSaucers, and Instagram, BradWTF, and my website's bradabrahams.net, and anyone can reach out anytime.
All right, but be careful because you might get more than you bargained for.
Brad will come to your place and interview you about what About what the planchette said to you last Tuesday night.
I mean, it's actually happened with at least a few listeners.
That's true, that's true.
Not about the Ouija, but about other things, yeah.
While we're plugging, while we're plugging content, Liv, you've got a newsletter or a substack or a Twitch stream?
Where can people find more of your stuff if they're so inclined?
I have a newsletter.
I talk about politics, philosophy, current events, conspiracy stuff.
LiveAgar.com.
Currently working on one.
It's a retrospective about Trump getting elected and the crisis in masculinity that people are talking about, you know, leftists entertain, that sort of thing.
So I have a Twitch stream where I talk about politics and similar sort of things.
Switch.tv slash LiveAgar.
Sweet.
Go check it out.
Travis, where can people find more of your work?
Yeah, well, you know, I've been tweeting a lot less because I've been spending more time on Blue Sky.
And, you know, sort of the community there has certainly blown up in the past couple weeks as a consequence of the election and Elon Musk's poor moderation of Twitter.
But, yeah, you know what?
I'm enjoying it.
So, yeah, check me out in Blue Sky.
And this is especially a message going out to Julian, who is not with us today.
Join Blue Sky for the rest of us.
I don't know.
Maybe I'll join Blue Sky.
I don't know.
You make it sound like it's kind of a good time over there.
But I also, I'm not really good at posting any kind of take anymore.
You know, I feel like I'm either going to migrate to TikTok and just post little video game clips, or maybe even Twitch myself, stream some gameplay.
I feel like that's going to be a healthier direction for me.
But who knows?
Maybe it starts on Blue Sky.
I don't know.
For everything else, we've got a website, QAApodcast.com.
Wherever you find us, thank you for finding us.
And listener, until next week, may the deep dish bless you and keep you.
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Neon lights, shining bright, they make a rainy night.
See the girls with their dresses so tight.
Give you love, give you love if the price is right.
Black or white, in the streets, there's a road with no rain, no.
Out of sight, by your kids, by your kids, from the men in the white.
Feels alright.
Powder pleasure in your nose tonight.
See the men paint their faces and cry.
Like some girl.
Like some girl that makes you wonder why.
City light.
Sure is cool, but it cuts like a knife.
Like a knife.
It's a place of you, can't you see?
It's not reality, it's just a fantasy.
Can't you see what this crazy life is doing to me?
Life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy? .
Life is just about to say, can you let the spots just say, ah?
