Episode 250: The Giant of Kandahar feat Noah Kulwin & Brendan James (Blowback Podcast)
Did U.S. forces fight and kill a redheaded giant in the Afghan province of Kandahar? Is it possible to connect the dots about the United States’ role in Afghanistan — and the Middle East — without resorting to stories about giants? We answer these questions with Brendan James and Noah Kulwin of the Blowback podcast.
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Welcome, listener, to the 250th chapter of the QAA podcast, the Giant of Kandahar episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rakitansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
Hello friends!
This week we're joined by Noah Colwin and Brendan James of the Blowback Podcast to discuss two equally important issues.
One, did U.S.
forces fight and kill a red-headed giant in the Afghan province of Kandahar?
And two, is it possible to connect the dots about the United States' role in Afghanistan and the Middle East without resorting to stories about giants?
Brendan, Noah, welcome to the podcast.
Hello.
Howdy.
The latest season of Blowback is all about U.S.
involvement in Afghanistan.
In previous seasons, you guys covered Iraq, Cuba, Korea.
First off, great job, fellas.
I learned a lot from this season.
It was rough.
I mean, it's like just the depths of the cruelty and malfeasance is rough, but it was also probably the best thing I've heard in terms of giving context to that war.
So congrats, fellas.
Thank you.
Thank you.
For listeners interested, they can get the whole season plus a bunch of extras at blowback.show, which is not a porn website, so go check it out.
I wouldn't say that.
Yeah, I mean, like, you know.
Okay, you have a bit something going on there?
You know, you said extras, you know, just click and find out.
Only frags.
The structure of this episode will match the two questions I posed earlier.
In the first part, we'll explore the Giant of Kandahar, a deranged story which originated on the Coast to Coast AM radio show in 2008 and has endured until today.
In the second part, we'll get a little more serious and speak to Noah and Brendan about some very tangible dot-connecting when it comes to U.S.
foreign policy and its effects on the Middle East and Afghanistan.
So, fellas, to get Giant time started, have you ever heard of the Nephilim?
No.
No, I haven't.
My only shot was going to be Noah, and I guess Jake is also a bad Jew, so you wouldn't know either.
I have a very slight idea, which is that they're a race of ancient giant people, but that's really all I know, I swear.
You couldn't get me to say more about them if you tried.
Yeah, you're just using context clues, which, hey, I applaud you for.
But the Nephilim, let's get into them.
They are mythical giants, indeed, referenced three times in the Hebrew Bible.
And here's a passage referencing these big fellas.
And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim.
And we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Not a ton of descriptions about the Nephilim here, and this passage is a little bit redundant.
So what are they saying?
They're like, that we saw these giants, and we were small, so they saw us for sure.
No, I think that it just is basically roundabout saying we were like grasshoppers to them.
Hmm.
Which I gotta say, common experience for Jewish youth.
Common experience.
Always.
We were bugs.
Yeah.
They treated us as bugs.
Look at him, he's so much bigger than I am.
Yeah, constantly just hopping away from confrontations, hiding in tall grass, stepped on by, you know, unsuspecting pedestrians.
I can relate.
Fed to lizards.
Wondering if you were made out of mud by a goy.
The origin of the Nephilim as referenced in the Hebrew Bible is disputed with some believing that they're the offspring of fallen angels and human beings having sex with each other.
I don't know why I said that so fucking bizarrely.
While others claim they were simply the descendants of some dudes called Seth and Kane, the Hebrew word Nephilim directly translates to The Fallen Ones, so it's not really, like, on its face a giant reference.
And there is actually some argument as to whether the word Nephilim can accurately be translated as giant.
Well, it's interesting you say that because we were, before we started recording, we saw some Transformers parallels in this story.
And we all remember the Fallen was Transformers too.
The Rise of the Fallen, what was it?
Something like that.
This is definitely a Transformers subheading in one of the movies.
But did Optimus Prime mate with a woman and make like a Volvo hatchback?
It could be dubbed as Rise of the Nephilim in other parts of the world is what I'm saying.
That's gonna be Transformers 8, which actually comes out this holiday season.
I have the screener and it's, you know what?
It's not bad.
Not bad.
A lot of words, a lot of clicks, but also a lot of Nephilim, so... You get your fill of the Nephilim, don't worry about that.
It feels like Nephilim would be like the Transformers of the Transformers franchise created by like, I don't know, Kevin Sorbo, you know?
He's got, he's probably been in a movie with Nephilim in it given the biblical bent of his career.
Absolutely.
Yeah, Nephilim, Rise of the Antichrist 3.
Also like Nephilim are like just such a good example of like the very classic genre of like just stuff that people read in the Bible and decide to take literally.
Like they're willing to accept that so many other things are clearly figurative or illusions but like This, and then, what is it, when Ezekiel sees, like, the Great Warring Machine, or whatever, in the sky, and they're like, yeah, that's Satan, or the angels, or whatever, but, no, people, like, it's, I appreciate that we have biblical Bigfoot.
Yeah, it's like, the girl just can't get enough of it, she's straight anephylum.
Oh, boy.
Wow.
Oh, boy.
You got Travis to shake his head on that one.
Good, good.
So fast forward thousands of years and we've got conspiracy theorists claiming that the Nephilim are still around and that shadowy governmental forces are trying to cover their existence up and or harness their immense power for who knows what purpose.
Probably something really bad.
One of the most obsessed Nephilim-ophiles is Steve Quayle, a man whose website is a wild mix of alien disclosure, biblical baking, QAnon, and every type of grift known to man.
We're talking gold, silver, colloidal silver, off-the-grid power kits, weird phone accessories meant to shield you from who knows what, and even a multi-level marketing scheme called Our Freedom Begins Now, recruiting people to sell beef.
That fucking rocks, by the way.
I mean, I guess it would be even more salacious if it were bacon or, like, shrimp.
I mean, at least with an MLM beef, you know, like, if you're just stuck with a bunch of beef on your hands, you know, could live on that for a while.
Yeah.
More than you could save for Mary Kay or Tupperware.
Especially if it's Nephilim beef.
That's extra large portions.
You could feed... We're trying to raise Nephilim in the labs again to feed, you know, countries.
Yeah, it's not essential oils.
You know, if you get scammed out of a lot into buying a bunch of beef, then, you know, at least, you know, you can have hamburgers for a while.
Yeah, you have like a big chili cookout, you feed your whole small town.
That's kind of cool, actually.
I'm with it.
This guy, Mr. Quail, who you've included a picture of, he looks like the sort of whistleblower that's kept in like a dimly lit sort of underground government cell that the, you know, the protagonists in the Transformer movies have to visit like, you know, end of act two to get, you know, the real story on the Nephilim Transformers.
He looks like a guy trying not to pass out at a wedding.
You mean me?
Yeah, just like it's like the ceremony, not even the party, and he's already so drunk that he's struggling to keep his eyes open.
I don't know.
I think he's like Dr. Berube's banker brother.
Yeah, except he's got kind of like a Ninja Turtle smile going on, which is, you know, one half of your mouth closed and then the other half kind of like gritting your teeth.
Anyways, if you're interested in that beef thing, just go to stevequayle.com and then I guess contact the people who are using a Hotmail address.
So you can trust them, no problem.
Is he related to Dan Quayle at all?
That's what I was wondering.
We're gonna make that claim right now.
Okay.
Let's just go for it.
Yeah, he is.
He's Dan Quayle's brother.
Steve has been doing this stuff since the 90s, and he's a repeat guest on such classic shows as The Jim Bakker Show and Coast to Coast AM, which, you know, obviously is an amazing show, except, you know, Art Bell died and then he passed it on to George Norrie, who's like, I'd say not as good.
So he's more of the Norrie generation, Steve.
He's like the Dick York to Dick Sargent, or the other way around on Bewitched.
I don't know which one it is.
I've never watched Bewitched, but I'll have to trust you on this one.
Yeah, that landed like a fucking lead.
I watched a lot of Bewitched as a kid.
I'm always surprised when I make this exact same joke and no one responds.
When you make this reference to like a 50 year old TV show.
Yeah.
Try 70.
Bewitched for me was like how I knew that Nick at Night was over.
You know, the, you know, SNCC, the big orange couch, you know, a couple sketch shows, very funny stuff at the time.
And then the Bewitched, uh, you know, they would do, they would start doing the classic TV shows, you know, afterwards.
And once, once I saw that, you know, that intro theme song, I was like, well, it's time, it's time to change the channel or get sent to bed.
I felt very deceived by, by Bewitched and, uh, the Brady Bunch.
I felt like I was tricked into watching a lot of hours of those shows that I didn't particularly care for.
I was not tricked.
I was quite happy.
There was a Nephilim episode of Bewitched, by the way, so I'm coming here more prepared than any of you by having watched it.
Was there really, like, a fallen angel?
No, no, no.
I don't think so.
There could have been, though.
It's kind of in everything.
It's what they call, like, there's a whole plot line in Diablo based on the Nephilim, but I think it's more of the interpretation of the fallen one than the giants thing.
Well, yeah, and X-Files season one has a fallen angel episode.
I mean, that's like what they call like some invisible alien thing that electrocutes people.
So is Nephilim, not to get too in the weeds, but in the fall is Hebrew for like falling down.
Right.
So so biblically, is Nephilim seriously just supposed to mean giants or does it have Once who fought, once who have fallen.
So it doesn't just mean this particular myth of a giant caste or whatever?
No, it's like this passage describes them as the Nephilim don't exist, right?
It's just like this passage in the Bible that describes some really tall guys who are addressed as the ones who are fallen.
Okay.
Well, are they?
we know that they're really tall because of that whole thing about grasshoppers
and whatnot. Like, they're not really that important to the whole
biblical canon thing. Well, are they? I mean, you know, perhaps. I could be
convinced, you know? I'm just Jewish. Interestingly, there are references to
giants that don't use the word Nephilim, that just straight-up reference giants
in the Book of Enoch, as we'll see.
But yeah, people debate whether Nephilim can even be translated as giants, but the majority of biblical translators translate it as giants.
And other ones translate it as the fallen ones, and other ones translate it as the people who brought on the fall of the protagonist in whatever passage.
So it's a fucking mess and we're trying to decode all that shit.
Wasn't there a Nephilim movie that came out in like the 90s about like a 50-foot woman?
I don't think that's the same thing.
Who played it?
Who played it?
That's not the same.
But I like that.
Yeah, the Amazon, the very tall woman, the one you want to step on your little nuts.
Oh yes, it was Daryl Hannah.
She played the Nephilim.
I don't know about that.
And who played the Transformers?
Shut the fuck up!
What is wrong with you?
We'll talk off air, Jake.
Yeah, but keep looking stuff up on your phone and bring it to us, Jake.
Like old movies, and make sure to type in Nephilim so you can never find it because you know that there's no reference to that.
That's just a fetish film for the 50s before they could show skin about a tall woman who you want to step on your buildings, if you know what I'm saying.
So Quayle, back to this beautiful man, he runs a blog called Q-Alerts, which I guess stands for Quayle, but is also obviously to, like, lure in, you know, Q people.
He lucked out with that one.
Yes.
Big time.
It's just like a blog, basically, where he posts in all caps with lots of typos.
And I found a recent post from July 12th, which I'd love you to read, Jake.
It is genuinely amazing.
From SQ Alert to all my Q-Files members, big...
Big time attack on my producer's ability to upload the Cue Files.
Take it again.
Take it again.
Okay, alright.
From SQ Alert to all my Cue Files members, big time attack on my producer's ability to upload the Cue Files for the last 24 hours.
Also, her computer burned out during the process.
Okay, that's the title.
And the text is... It says, uh, RONDA.
It's in all caps.
Help me, RONDA.
RONDA has been trying to upload my yesterday's QCAST podcast for the last 24 hours.
It was 90 minutes, and the content must have made the entities mad.
Her laptop went down, fried, and her efforts at rendering and upload were unsuccessful.
Prior to her computer burnout, I am looking at workarounds and getting her back up ASAP.
I will advise!
I will get a transcript done as quickly as possible, but even that will need to be uploaded.
Interesting timing, as the word I was sharing was, we're in the eye of the hurricane and we are coming out of the eye into the full fury of the storm as the hatred of all good is kicking into high gear and we'll be relentless now.
Note the MSM full-on attacks against, quote, the Sound of Freedom, and not caring for the sexually trafficked kids, and attacking the rescuers.
Woe unto them who call evil good.
July 12th, 2023.
That's fresh.
I really envy these people, because, like, when, like, we put out an episode late, it's like, oh, yeah, sorry, I had a headache, and I guess I didn't research the stuff.
But this guy's like, we're under attack!
They're frying my producer's computer!
You know, it's a lot more dramatic.
Also, he just went on to say what the post was.
So how are you getting shut down if you just then said it in a shorter and more succinct way, I guess?
But that wasn't taken down, so why did she get fried?
We should all have rondas to blame our late podcasts on.
But this really is my favorite kind of Q Influencer post.
You know, boomer battles with the internet.
I mean, it really strikes a special chord in my heart.
Yeah.
Do you remember the, um, I don't know if this was Afghanistan related, but there was a CBS mainstream network reporter who said that she thought the Obama administration was hacking into her computer because she started to see a document she was working on, like, you know, getting deleted in real time, like on Google Docs or on Microsoft Word.
And she thought like it was the government, like literally manually pressing delete from far away and stopping her from filing her report.
And then it turned out like she had a sticky delete key or something.
It was literally that her computer was sticky and then I think she had to do a big apology and I'm sure she now is a reporter for Newsmax or something like that.
It might have been Lara Logan, I don't want to say it was, but it might have been.
No, the best one that you used to get was the people who were like hacked and putting stuff in searches.
Wait, you mean like Cookie Roberts?
She was like, Krispy Kreme, where is it?
And she was tweeting, like, search terms.
I was struggling to remember that, and you immediately pulled it.
I have it filed up here.
I also like when people complain about their autocomplete.
It's like, oh it just autocompleted my text.
Or Benny Johnson, like why am I getting all these gay ads?
Let's just say Benny Johnson was complaining about gay ads and was informed that those were autotargeted.
Let's just, them's the facts.
And he didn't appear aware of them when he tweeted it.
Speaking of Lara Logan, it was amazing to hear her come up in your podcast because we've studied her as a total fucking QAnon loon promoting like adrenochrome stuff now.
She's fallen from high.
But I mean, back in the, what was it?
Was it CBS that she was on?
Yeah, 60 Minutes.
60 Minutes.
The most prestigious TV news magazine show, if Michael Mann movies are to be believed.
Yep.
And she was a war correspondent, you know, or whatever you want to call it.
And she took particular delight in attacking Michael Hastings, the late Michael Hastings, which is when we bring her up because he broke a big story about not only the nasty words that General Stanley McChrystal was using about the Obama administration, which was the more tabloid aspect, but he was really talking about how Obama didn't seem to really give a shit about winning the war.
Value judgments aside about that.
She just went into full kind of a defensive mode that Was very loyal to the military and everyone thought that's she's really going above and beyond here She really attacked Hastings character and then a couple years later.
She's on the I think she's too She's too extreme even for like for OAN and stuff, right?
Hasn't she been in trouble for all kinds of just straight-up anti-semitism and stuff I think or stuff like that Yeah, last I checked, she has like her own show, which is just her in a kind of nice looking living room.
That's good.
We should probably be careful about what we say, because I think she's very litigious from what I remember.
So what I meant to say was she's doing a great job and always has.
Well, she's probably doing a better job now than she was covering up for the Afghanistan war some total of, you know.
Yeah, that's a good point that like playing around in like the QAnon padded room of social media is probably better than like literally selling a war.
Yeah.
They're waiting for David Brooks.
We would love to have him.
So, Quayle loves to talk about giants and claims to be on a never-ending quest to uncover the Nephilim.
He's written a ton of books, including... Terminated.
The End of Man is Here.
Xenogenesis.
Changing Men into Monsters.
Empire Beneath the Ice, How the Nazis Won World War II.
Angel Wars, Past, Present, and Future.
I wanted Angel Wars.
That was a good read, though.
My favorite book cover of his is the one for Tears, An Ocean of Emotion.
That's a Temptations lyric!
Talk about litigious.
Can someone try to describe this one?
Yeah, this looks like, um, this looks like two Howard the Duck eyes, like, peering through a cloud above a stormy sea.
And two teardrops from the corners of each eye.
The wrong ends of the eyes.
Yeah, yeah.
Wrong ends of the eyes.
They're very close together.
Yeah, the eyes are too close together.
It doesn't look right.
It's pretty messed up looking.
Yeah, these look like Furby eyes.
Well, maybe it is Furby.
Or like somebody who's looking from behind a painting, you know, in at the Truman Show or whatever.
No, like Scooby-Doo when the eyes of the painting move away and then the goblin is behind it.
And they're crying in this case.
Yeah, I actually looked into this one, and it is about how behind tears and crying hides a whole secret world to decode, basically.
So he just decodes crying and tears for a whole book.
This guy has probably got a fucking sick psychiatrist who gets him the coolest drugs.
Yeah, it's Jesus.
He also uses the font that you'll see oftentimes on self-appointed social media self-help millennials.
Like the font on his books?
Yeah, the font on his books.
It's like almost cursive, but not quite.
Oh, yeah.
To me, it looks like the auto signature from like DocuSign.
Yes, that too.
That'd be funny if he was writing all of it.
Like he didn't know how to use a word processor of modern era, so he has to use DocuSign every time he writes a word and then just print each word individually in his PDFs.
He doesn't understand Photoshop so he just literally, he literally just imports everything into DocuSign to get any text over the image that he wants.
That would be me, actually, in an alternate universe.
I'm kind of dumb in that way.
It's more deliberate writing.
It gives him more time to think because he's busy with each word.
There's no wasted words.
Quail particularly loves a passage from the Book of Enoch referencing giants.
And it came to pass, when the children of men had multiplied, that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another, Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men, and beget us children.
And they became pregnant and brought forth giants.
And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind.
And they began to sin against birds and beasts and reptiles and fish and to devour one another's flesh and drink the blood.
Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
And like, actually, oftentimes, it's right before your arc comes into the story, Noah, that the Giants get mentioned, so.
Yes, they're actually referenced in the, like, that 2010s film, Noah, starring Russell Crowe.
There's a whole thing about the Giants in that movie, actually.
I wonder if that movie's based on anything.
God, talk about child trafficking, though.
I mean, it sounds like these angels are just, like, up to no good.
Oh, yeah, no.
Like, the fallen angels immediately got to fucking.
They found the ladies good on Earth.
So in 2008, Steve Quayle basically started the legend of the Giant of Kandahar during an appearance on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
You're very spiritual, extremely spiritual, Stephen.
So are you saying that these giants who are on the planet, these giants who could come through portals, they are the ones that Genesis refers to?
Yes.
What do you want him to say?
Yeah.
Yeah, not a great interviewer and not a great interviewee.
It's simple.
I liked the interviewer.
I thought he laid everything out really, really carefully there.
Yeah.
I felt like he was interviewing the Doom guy, you know?
Like, so you're saying that these demons, they came through the portal at Mars and the doctor, he just laughed.
You're telling me they call him the Doom Slayer?
Hmm.
Interesting.
It's like every movie these days, every 10 minutes where they have like a guy stand in for the dumb guy in the audience and just explain what has happened in the last 10 minutes.
Yep.
In the interview, Norrie and Quayle emphasize how scary and horny these giant Nephilim really are.
Were not the Nephilim the reason why God wanted that flood, the flood of Noah, to wipe them out?
To wipe them out.
But people don't understand there was an incursion, a sexual incursion, both before the flood and after the flood.
That's why Genesis says, in those days and after those days.
And some of the skeptics say, oh, these were the sons of Seth versus the sons of Cain.
Uh-uh.
I got news for you.
You can take anybody of normal Earth origin and they might have something that looks, you know, a little different than the father or the mother, but they're not going to produce, normally six foot people don't produce 12 feet tall giants.
And remember, the body mass is proportionate.
These are just tall, like some of the images of the tallest people recorded in history in this, you know, in the, let's say, the last 200 years.
But these guys have huge, I'm talking huge biceps.
I was talking to Mario.
They're like human dinosaurs.
Well stated.
There must be a name.
There must be another name that we could think of than human dinosaurs.
If only there was something that we could think of.
A word.
Also, I'm thinking of like dinosaurs not known for their biceps.
I'm going to tell you that right now.
Just trying to find a word for something big and extinct.
Some kind of really large human lobster.
And yeah, some skeptics even say that the flood was actually just massive nuts from each of these fallen angels.
I like how in the beginning he's like, but you see, here's what a lot of people don't get.
Yeah, exactly.
What a lot of people don't understand is... Yeah, they don't understand.
Like, there's a lot of people who accept the Giants and everything, but they don't get that they're sexually aroused.
Like, most people, they accept the Giants story, but they don't accept my theory of the sexual element.
It's like the trees, like the Ents in Lord of the Rings, except, you know, sexual style.
Yeah.
Human trees.
The tall ones.
And everybody knows that, you know, the size of your biceps totally correlates to sexual prowess, horniness, that stuff in general.
I mean, it kind of sounds like what he wanted to say was something a little bit different, but maybe thought better of it.
Koala Nori soon invite a guy they call The Pilot on to speak to them on the show, and this guy claims to have seen the corpse of the giant as it was being transported out of Afghanistan.
This story would later also yield this book, Long Walker's Return of the Nephilim, and you can see here a little illustration of troops standing around a giant.
It looks like Blanca from Street Fighter.
Yes.
I mean, it's an interesting illustration.
I wonder who drew this.
They're not very wowed by it, I have to say, the troops.
They're sort of clinically looking at it.
One guy's kind of got his hand on his chin going, hmm.
They look like the troops, though, where they're kind of drawn.
Like, I mean, they all have, like, Hank KLS, and also they, like...
They look like, you know, those, like, really, like, psychotically fawning portraits of Trump or whatever, where he's, like, having sex with a construction worker or something and, like, holding a baby and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, they look like that.
It's a good drawing.
Yeah, it is.
Although I really do think, I mean, I think that's, I think this is from Street Fighter, because you have Guile in the center.
If you zoom in with the guy with the sunglasses, you can see him.
That's Guile.
The guy just took Street Fighter templates.
It looks like a stage.
It really does look like a stage.
Yeah, it does.
It's a stage.
Look at this.
You've got the people moving in the background.
You've got the, um, you've got the cargo military jet.
I mean, you've got the boxes, the boxes piled up.
You could use an environmental, you know, like element to hit someone at some point.
You could take one of these boxes or, uh, you know, maybe, maybe like throw them, throw them into the plane.
Yeah.
And they did say that these Nephilim are charged with electricity, right?
I mean, that's one of their powers.
Is it?
Wow.
Maybe they're related to Raiden.
That's Mortal Kombat, sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But probably.
That makes sense.
It could be.
Blanka and Raiden are cut from the same cloth.
Two really good guys, actually.
Some people think they're pretty bad, but Blanka and Raiden are very good guys.
We had a fantastic conversation with Raiden recently, and we're doing a lot of great stuff.
A lot of great stuff was raided.
He's coming down.
He's teleporting.
He's going down into the ground.
He's coming back and he's shooting lightning out of his hands.
But they redid the universe.
The fire god made a whole new universe and we're not so sure how good it's gonna be.
We're not so sure.
We gotta try it out though.
A lot of people are asking why this oriental fellow, he speaks with a French accent.
We don't know why.
He looks French.
He speaks French.
But his eyes, there's no pupils.
Giley got the upside-down kick, and now he can kick upside-down.
Probably because he took the vaccine, and now he's kicking upside-down.
And some people don't know if he can kick right-side-up, but a lot of people are saying he's kicking upside-down into Blanca.
Okay, so this is the coast-to-coast introduction of the pilot by Norian Quayle.
He's a pilot.
He flies in and out of the war zone into Afghanistan, etc., and he basically is asked to fly unusual cargo.
The gentlemen that come on to brief he and his co-pilot, and I think maybe there may have been one other individual, he'd clear that up, but they take away their cameras.
They don't want him to have any cameras or anything.
I don't know if this is military intelligence or whatever, but this is This is the guy that's flying the airplane that I'm showing as a cover to the Longwalkers.
And since his name is not in the letter, I'm reproducing that letter.
And I think it's fascinating, George, that he would want to come on and tell his story.
Because, again, we're not talking about something that's ancient bones.
We're not talking about something that's quote-unquote just legend.
We're talking about a real evil entity.
And he'll relate to you the story of what the Special Forces guys told him of what they found.
in the way of the remains of the normal group that was going into the mountains of Afghanistan
to find the Taliban.
In essence, when I say these are not usually nice guys out of fairy tales, that they're
cannibals, I'll let him tell the story.
And again, we're just going to refer to him as the pilot.
We'll go to him now.
Hello there.
So, a lot of ado, and he brings on this pilot guy.
And unfortunately, the pilot is a really bad storyteller and seems to be quite reticent to claim anything as fact.
Perhaps because he now realizes he's on national radio.
He explains that he saw a 12-foot, 1,100-pound, extremely stinky corpse in the fetal position, partially covered by a tarp and tied to a transport pallet.
By his account, the corpse was pallid white, had red hair, and six fingers on each hand.
Which you would expect, though.
The Nephilim would have to have mad finger game if they're coming down, like, you know, woo the ladies.
They have to have an advantage other than the height.
The pilot then gets into the people who killed the giant and brought it back to the base, a spec ops team he calls the Babysitters.
The babysitters, that's what I called them at the time, the babysitters who had come in and out of the mountain, not sure if they were shooters.
Well, they would claim to be shooters and most of those guys do.
But they basically said that when they got this thing, it had actually taken out the first crew that had found him and they went in afterwards.
And of course, when they came up on this thing, supposedly, of course secondhand, thing ran like the wind, reported to us that threw stones at the guys.
I see what you mean about the storytelling.
Yeah.
I'm not sure I understood any of that.
He's not great at getting to the point, and he's constantly being like, well, so they claimed, and that's what these army guys always claim.
Like, he kind of tries to tell George Norian Quayle that army guys are constantly lying about killing giants.
Like that's just like one of those things the Spec Ops boys come back and they're like, yo, we killed a giant out there.
The giant throwing rocks, that does track.
I mean, you know, I feel like, you know, most giants portrayed in popular culture and fiction, we know them as rock throwers.
So I don't know.
I think that does add a little bit of credibility to his story.
Well, it doesn't really make sense, because the rocks never come back, and in all the, like, subsequent depictions of this, it's a spear that he has.
So if he has a spear, why would he be throwing the rocks?
Well, I mean, I don't know, man.
Like, rocks and spears have different situations, different tactics.
Yeah, I think it's an appropriate interpretation, actually.
I mean, have you ever served?
Have you actually ever served, Julian?
No.
In the giant task force, the Nefahim squads?
Nefahim.
What are they called?
The Nephilim.
Nephilim, whatever.
It is the man who attempts to own that is now owned.
So Quail gets quickly impatient with the pilot because he's not performing as needed, and he attempts to jump in to make the story spicier.
If you remember, Pilot, when we talked, you said that basically when the second team, the Special Forces guys, went in to kill this thing, there were basically, what, rib cages and skulls?
I mean, it looked like, what, the killing fields?
I would call them the standard stories that come in out of these guys.
Again, like I said, it was secondhand.
But the way they painted it out, yes, this guy was eating probably more than our guys with the killing feels that he had.
They more or less described.
He just sucks.
It's like, fuck, man.
He's like, come on, buddy.
When we were having beers in my garage, you were telling me about the gore and the skulls and the spines.
Don't you want to say any of that on the air?
You were right about it.
He just doesn't want to say it on radio.
Yes.
Yeah.
He's like, dude, I usually just show off over a Budweiser, but this, this is going to get me into trouble.
It's like he got dragged into the cafeteria the next day when you're a kid and you like have a big story and then everyone's kind of actually listening to you and you get really shy and you're like, well, I didn't actually, I didn't actually meet, you know, my chemical romance.
I just saw them.
Uh, you know, they were near, they were near me.
I didn't meet them.
It's live on air, too, so they can't be like, OK, wait, pause, pause.
Go chug a quart of whiskey and come back and give this to us again.
Unlike this interview that we're doing now, where we've all taken care of that.
Yeah, everyone's on a good quart, quarter and a half.
So, Quail's insecurities about the interview and his pilot that he brought on the show continue to grow, and he finds himself attempting to justify himself to George Nori, even explaining that he almost had someone even better than the pilot on the show with him.
At one point, George, I was almost to the point of having an active-duty four-star come on your show with me.
Yes.
Until a couple of people on a stupid blog ruined it, okay?
And he said, Steve, he said, I know what you want to do, and then you'll enjoy this pilot.
He said, I know what you want to do.
I know how badly you want people to understand the peril.
But he said, I have to tell you the same thing Jesus said.
He said, Jesus said, if I've told you earthly things, you'll believe me not.
How can I tell you heavenly things?
And see, George, even to get your mind around this, it's one thing to deal with a dead one on a pallet.
It's another thing to even embrace 300 million of these things or more coming through Stargate and people actively having rituals in which they sacrifice live children to these things in rituals to bring forth the army of the end times to destroy humanity.
Which Old Testament book has the Stargate again?
300 million giants coming through a Stargate to, like, eat children.
Yeah, is that a potential Ezekiel's Wheel interpretation?
I'm a little rusty, but I remember it was a mediocre show in the late 90s.
Oh, that was the Episcopalians.
They added that one.
Oh, okay.
I thought it was Romans for a second, but yeah.
Because for a second, I'm like, well, what's the peril?
They killed the giant, but he's saying that there's 300 million, I believe he said.
Yeah.
Yeah.
300 million are going to come through Stargates.
They're going to be, you're going to have to sacrifice your children to them, and they're going to usher in the end days.
Okay.
Look, and that's if you don't deal with the problem now, okay?
Because if you, look, if you don't accept my quote, somebody's just going to come back here next week when the thing falls apart and they're going to charge you twice as much.
When was this recorded?
Was Stargate even in the public consciousness?
Yeah, 2008.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So Stargate, not only movie, but also a show.
Stargate SG-1.
Yeah, that's right.
Not a bad TV show.
Not a bad TV show.
Cause like in the movie Stargate, like they were just really worried, you know, if anybody was going to come through the Stargate, it was just going to be like a bunch of like hungry people who were like enslaved by this like alien race.
So, you know, they're really not that threatening.
So those were literally like the only usable or interesting passages from this first appearance, but this still somehow spawned the story of the Giant of Kandahar.
It was so crappy, but it would be carried forward with more gusto by another Nephilim enthusiast, a crank who goes by L.A.
Marzulli.
He interviewed several anonymized people who claimed to be ex-military, fleshing out details of the story on a program called Politics, Prophecy, and the Supernatural.
I think you're mispronouncing it.
It's La Marzulli.
He's a magician, like an old-style vaudeville magician.
He does look that way if you scroll down and see him.
He straight up does look like a fuckin' old-school magician.
He's the Great Marzulli, and if you listen to him, he'll blow your mind with tales from the Stargate.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you would please join me across the street at the Pantages.
La Marzulli!
Unfortunately, Marzulli's interviews are also fucked up because he pitched the subject's voices down so low and used such intense music that it's almost impossible to understand what is being claimed in them.
So instead, I've got a more modern retelling for you from a YouTuber who is, I think, cribbing from all this stuff that came before him.
But before we get into that, it's worth hearing how Marzulli tried to connect the American incursions into Afghanistan with the idea that they were preparing to fight giants.
There's another point to the story that I find really interesting, and this has to do with the second witness.
While this man was in training, They were taught how to fight in a cave.
Part of their training was cave fighting.
They were informed that the Afghan soldiers hold up in caves.
And that once they were deployed, they might find themselves fighting in caves.
You may remember the events of 9-11.
We were given graphic illustrations of Osama Bin Laden's cave complex.
It was on the cover of Time Magazine.
What was interesting about this part of the story Was this particular soldier who came on the record informed us that during the training the men were told to aim high.
In other words, soldiers are taught to aim for the chest and then shoot for the head with the second shot.
In other words, soldiers are taught to aim for the chest with the first two shots and then a kill shot to the head, which would be standard military procedure in a firefight.
There was something else.
Why would the training change the basic military precept by instructing the men to aim high?
We found that incredibly interesting.
The second soldier told us that he didn't understand this at the time, but later, once deployed to the Kandahar province in Afghanistan and hearing about the giant, he put two and two together and figured out that the training was because the military may have believed there was more than one of these guys running around.
Running around.
Running around!
I like how you have to be trained when a combatant is taller to shoot higher.
Also, he sounds like Kevin Costner in JFK.
Up, back, and to the left.
Up, and in the head.
Up, and in the head.
Yeah, he said it like three times.
I don't know if he did a retake there in his own video or forgot to cut it out, but he really wanted you to know that part.
Yeah, it's incredible.
And like, he is referencing, remember that amazing diagram of the supposed cave that Bin Laden was going to be found in?
It was fucking awesome.
It was like a child's drawing of like a dream house where there's like several rooms where it's like, this room is the arcade room, this room is the pizza room.
Like one of Stephen Beasley's incredible cross sections.
It reminded me of a toy, a Star Wars toy, where there was a Death Star and then you opened up the Death Star and it was like different levels of the rest of the movie was inside.
And you could see like each layer, like a cake, you know, there was like Mos Eisley and then there was, you know, blah, blah, blah.
That's what Osama had.
He had a Death Star with different Star Wars maps inside.
I'd have to go back and look at that drawing because maybe one of the rooms was extra tall.
So what do you think?
But like, okay, if we're taking this guy's word at face value, which we don't and we shouldn't, but you know, why wouldn't they just say, okay, you guys are given top secret clearance.
They're like, there's going to be giants.
Here's how you kill them.
They wouldn't just say like, you're going to be fighting regular guys, but maybe.
"Aim up!"
He's like, "Well, why?
Why should you aim up?"
"Well, look, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, don't be surprised if you have to aim a little
high."
"Well, why?
I mean, is it, are they using some new..."
"Well, look, I can't, I can't give the whole thing away, but just, I'm just saying you
might want to aim a little high."
"Well, you're my commanding officer."
"Well..."
And this doesn't really make that much sense because if you're fighting the Taliban and
then you encounter a giant, you're going to get merked by the Taliban by shooting over
their heads until you meet a giant.
So it's really not great for just general combat.
What's the story of like how they get to the- because I'm curious how like they end up in like the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar is like where they locate this taking place.
Yeah, so do you have any, like, information about why maybe it doesn't make sense for them to even be there?
Well, first of all, I'm curious, like, what is the relationship, supposed relationship, between the Nephilim and the enemies of the U.S.
forces in Afghanistan?
Is it that the Tal are they fighting them as well?
I think the giant represents the...
Is it like 300 where like, you know, the shots of the Persians and then there's a big Orc that,
you know, they just have?
I think it's more like a PVPVE situation where...
Okay.
You have, where you have your standard enemy, right?
You know, the Taliban.
But then there are, like, other sort of enemies on the map that don't really fight for a particular side.
Oh, yeah, like in... This is like a League of Legends bullshit.
Sure, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, well, I mean, that's interesting.
I just still think it's amazing that they were like, they were like, we're gonna give you, um, bad tactics to fight, uh, most likely the most common enemy, uh, that you'll face.
Yeah.
But we're gonna give you really good strategy to fight, like, this enemy that may or may not appear.
God, that's so funny that the smoking gun is that they told them to aim higher when they're in a cave.
That's so funny that that's like the proof.
I love that.
I like cave fighting too.
The idea that that's some sort of different form of fighting.
Cave fighting.
Oh man, it's kind of dark in here.
What are we going to do?
Wish we had some kind of goggles, you know, the army could give us.
See?
Yeah.
I wish we had some other horrible campaign that we had run in another country that dealt with fighting in dark tunnels where we were at a severe disadvantage.
If only, if only we had listened to what those guys had told us.
Well, that wouldn't have worked because there were, unless I'm reading this wrong, there was, there is no claim here that any other war we've fought had, had Nephilim.
True.
Unless some of the Vietnam soldiers were getting, like, really racist, which... Also, what were the Nephilim doing in the 1980s when the Soviets were there?
Like, and whose side were they on?
Well, Stargate didn't come out until the late 90s.
Wait, what about Kurt Russell's Stargate?
I think that was 95?
Yeah, so the movie spawned those Stargates, and so it was post-USSR involvement.
Because once something happens in a movie, it gets instantiated in the real world thereafter.
Well, and then the TV show comes out, so then you're even more in the thick of it.
That's the 300 million.
300 million, and now they're horny.
They want to make sexual incursions.
1994, excuse me, I was wrong.
Okay.
So what is the story of the Giant of Kandahar?
And for that, we're going to be checking out a YouTube show hosted by a guy in a I Heart Cops t-shirt and a laptop with a Black Rifle Coffee Company sticker.
Oh, fuck yes.
Here he is addressing his ex-Green Beret friend, Matt.
Matt, I would say that if you were walking into the mouth of a cave with a missing unit and you see shards of clothes, some chunks of flesh, and a battery, what are you saying to your guys?
I'm saying something went wrong and we'd be prepped and get ready for a fight.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys are, you guys are like along the lines of like Operation Red Wings and shit went down and we need to, we need to get close and we need to pay attention to what's happening.
Right.
So you're like in your brain, you're like condition yellow, like you're ready.
Like it's time to go, right?
So these guys move on to this cave opening and they get towards the mouth of the cave and they're following the chunks of this missing unit and then all of a sudden this giant of a man that they say stood 13 feet tall Approximately 1,100 pounds, a figure, a beast with six fingers and six toes, red hair, lunges from the cave with a spear, and... Of course it's a ginger.
We're going to get to because the giants that were found in North America and the giants that were found in Ireland and Scotland all have red hair.
So that's interesting.
Interesting.
Okay.
So the first guy, Dan, gets impaled by this spear and he dies.
A fight ensues.
They shoot this thing in the face.
They all mag dump.
Oh no.
There's a lot to discuss just from the visuals.
OK, so there's one guy on the on the far left side of the screen.
He's, you know, kind of standard YouTube looking guy.
The guy in the middle is the host.
He's the one with the Black Rifle Coffee Club and a little gavel and other things that I'm sure he thinks make him, you know, impossible to forget when you see his videos.
And then on the furthest of the right, there's a guy Who looks a bit like Jeremy Strong and has a flag in the background and then two dangling steampunk light bulbs just next to his head.
What is going on with those like it's not a lamp.
It's not one light.
It's not one dangling bulb, it's two dangling, but like he's having two ideas occur to him
while he's in the video.
(laughing)
They represent both of his brain cells.
It's so bizarre.
And I love that, 'cause the last thing I'll say is that I loved in the clip,
they're laughing about the ginger joke, and then the guy in the middle's like,
"Whoa, but see, the thing is, is that actually most giants are,
when they are found, they tend to be ginger."
And then the two other guys, they like get it together as if they've,
You'll notice that there's a piggy bank in both the left and middle guy's background.
So they're all about fiscal responsibility, I'm guessing.
And the guy with the two simultaneous ideas, he's angled his camera so that you can see almost the entire flag that's draped in the background.
But as a result, he's significantly lower on the screen his head is.
So in comparison to the other guys, he sort of looks like he's poking up from underground.
He would definitely have to aim higher were he in the case.
Yeah, he definitely would to take on these two giants.
Yes.
Maybe it's role playing.
Also very baffling in this imagery is that the guy with the I Heart Cops shirt has a picture over his shoulder of Casey Anthony.
The woman who was charged with killing her toddler was eventually found not guilty of that.
But yeah, that is a baffling choice for hosting a podcast.
Just a picture of Casey Anthony right behind you.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah, that's totally normal stuff.
Can you not see mine?
I'm in the way, but you can now see mine.
Yeah, Casey's everywhere.
Men put her on the wall all the time who are normal.
He has a hat that says, I love arguments dot com.
Oh, good.
Which I can't even look into, forget it.
No, no, no.
But he's a guy, he's a dude, and they're cool.
And I mean, this is a pretty straightforward story.
Dan got speared, and they mag dumped.
Like, what are you gonna fucking say?
They mag dumped, and I like how he said that what they saw was the 13 foot guy, and then that he had six fingers.
Like, in the middle of combat with a giant, they stopped and counted how many, wait, how many, I just need to see, is it five?
Oh shit, yo, it's like the Princess Bride guy.
And it's just like, why would you?
Because you're clearly working backwards from the legend.
It's like, why would you stop and notice exactly one more finger on the hand, you know, of the giant that you're fighting?
I don't know if I would pick up on that in the moment, but I'm not a troop.
Yeah, this whole story is like if you started an exquisite corpse with the feet.
And it's like, it's kind of just all like reverse engineering, very awkward.
But it is carried to this day by La Marzulli, my favorite coffee machine.
And he still makes YouTube videos, like there's a recent one in which he reads a skeptical article about his claims and explains that he's under attack by the Deep State.
So let's get into this story and walk through it.
A 13-foot monster with red hair and hands with six fingers, whose home was in the Afghanistan mountains, was allegedly killed up and covered up by the US government.
Killed up.
That is according to a witness who claimed to have seen the killing in a YouTube interview, which has since been deleted.
The military contractor claimed to have been present during the brutal slaughter of a killer he called the Kandahar Giant in an interview with YouTuber L.A.
Marzulli.
During my presentation, I circled back to the Kandahar Giant and talked about the way the game is played.
When Richard Shaw and I released that in Watchers 10, it was unbelievable, the blowback that came, the pushback.
I was contacted by a guy, which I could only assume was from the deep state, who told me in the first, you know, minute, basically threatened me three different ways how they could destroy me.
And I publicly, I did it there at the conference, and I've said it before, I publicly went out with it.
So, you know, if I get arrested and they find kiddie porn on my phone, you know I don't have kiddie porn on my phone.
Rewind!
Oh, La Marzulli's greatest trick.
[LAUGHTER]
Oh.
He did say the word, though.
Blowback.
He said it.
Yeah, he did.
He said a lot of interesting stuff.
Which means I believe him and he's an ally now.
Well, the average listener to your show always says this.
If they find kiddie porn on my phone, it wasn't mine.
It's the deep state trying to take me down.
When was that video?
When did he say that bit?
This was 2022.
Okay.
Well, that's very recent.
I was trying to see the books on his desk.
It's a kind of chaotic desk he's got there, but I think it's a book called Top Secret Slash Magic.
Yeah.
Magic with a J. I don't know if that's the correct spelling, or if this maybe references an alien.
I think this looks like it's a book about aliens.
Yeah.
Majestic or Majestic 12.
Yeah, something like that.
And then he has another one just called The Mound Builders.
I think he also has a bunch of, like, Indiana Jones, like, prop replicas scattered about to sort of make it look like he's in some kind of, you know, archaeology, like, office or study, something like that.
It seems like it's very hard to get... I wonder if he has to move a bunch of things around just to get into his little position, you know, for his videos.
Seems like it's a tight squeeze in there.
He's got some filing cabinets of stuff that he will someday be accused of having that he never had.
Yeah, actually he had a group of aliens in there and the FBI went and replaced it all with child pornography.
So between Steve Quayle, this guy, and the three dudes that you saw, you can tell why this story just has not really taken off.
And honestly, I think it's a cool story, so I hope somebody picks it up, like maybe the giant himself, or just somebody who's tall and has red hair.
That would be enough.
I honestly feel like you could get Mike Cernovich to believe in it.
Yeah.
He might be a Nephilim.
Yeah.
He might have kiddie porn on his phone.
Oh my god.
Satire.
I love satire.
Brendan, Noah, let's talk a little bit about the real Afghanistan, a country defined not by giants, but instead by geopolitical giants over the course of the last half century and beyond.
I see what you did there.
Oh yeah.
Great seg.
Great seg.
That's a segway right there.
I want to start with the idea that religious extremism, especially Islamic fundamentalism, wasn't always a huge defining force in Afghanistan.
Could you tell us a bit about the country's makeup before the Cold War and why it shifted towards that, especially in relation to Operation Cyclone?
Yeah, the concept that Americans have of Afghanistan at this point, certainly, but even by 2001, and to a certain degree in the 1990s, was that of an already war-torn place that had always been wracked with problems of, you know, a pre-modern culture, a medieval culture, and that it was just one of those places where religious fanatics are the guys in charge.
And in fact, one of the big, you know, purposes of our season was to follow that portrayal or the supposed, you know, reality of Afghanistan that presents and find that in fact, more or less that stereotype to the degree that it does exist is something that Americans made sure happened in the 1970s and the 1980s.
Afghanistan up until that point was a sort of a neutral presence in the Cold War, although they favored the Soviets and the Soviets favored them.
America didn't have much of an interest in Afghanistan.
We were much more friendly with Pakistan once it was created after the partition of India for various reasons.
And Afghanistan naturally gravitated toward the superpower right next door.
They shared a border back then.
It wasn't just Russia, it was the Soviet Union.
So the Central Asian republics were right next door to Afghanistan.
And it was a developing economy and there were many projects that went back a long ways to modernize the country.
The British, before the Americans, had always tried to sabotage those efforts because they got along better with the more traditional, sort of mercenary, conservative tribal leaders in Afghanistan who were less interested in developing a modern economy and therefore one that could stand up to empires like the British.
So in other words, this was a very different type of place.
And sometimes you get a bit of this on the internet, you know, sort of the meme that goes around of this is what Afghanistan looked like in 1978 or whatever.
And it's, you know, women without any religious, you know, mandated headgear or, you know, modern institutions and schools.
And while that's no doubt compressing a lot of other facts about the country and the And so they did this through something they called Operation Cyclone.
side was always far more conservative and religious, which was an issue for modernizers
in the Capitol. It does say something basically true, which is that the image we have of it
is in fact a creation of the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other allies that
worked in the 1980s to overturn a progressive communist government that was too close to
the Soviets by our estimation.
And so they did this through something they called Operation Cyclone. So what was the
idea here?
Right. So that was basically conceived. I mean, Operation Cyclone was the name that
was given to what was sort of more generally called the Afghan op after Reagan took over.
Because once that happened, it wasn't all of a sudden we began arming the Mujahideen in 1980, or rather in '81.
It was a process that had begun under the Carter administration and was sort of envisioned
by his national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski.
And Brzezinski, he was a real hardliner.
He wouldn't have looked out of place in the Reagan administration were it not for the fact
that he was a social liberal.
But he got this thing going, essentially, at the critical moment.
So that by the time that the cowboys of the Reagan era arrived, they were expanding the budget
with the assistance of other people we talk about in the show,
Congressman Charlie Wilson, whose goal at that point throughout the '80s is they say, look,
what is called Operation Cyclone, this massive coordinated effort to get--
Intel, weapons, other supplies to the Mujahideen is, from their perspective, scoring the biggest body blows directly against the Soviet Union that America has going in the Cold War.
And that is what Operation Cyclone is.
It's just viewed as a way to use the Afghan battlefield as an opportunity to just try and damage the Soviet Union in that decade.
And so one fascinating tidbit in season four of Blowback is the debunking of a myth related to the movie Rambo 3.
Can you tell us what happened there?
Unfortunately, talking about, you know, more Afghanistan sort of internet pop culture side of things, you know, there's a Very, very popular screenshot that goes around from the ending of Rambo 3 that, of course, contains the postscript to the film.
This film was dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan.
And people obviously know the general reference point, which is that we backed a bunch of unsavory religious fanatics at the time and touted them as freedom fighters only for them to later on forge a holy war against America.
And while that is all true, the actual postscript that you've no doubt seen online is a hoax.
And there is no proof that after the 9-11 attacks, home video releases changed the postscript to, you know, the story goes that they changed the postscript from Mujahideen to the brave people of Afghanistan.
And, um, yeah, there's just no, there's no evidence of that.
There's no videotape that anyone's ever produced from, you know, uh, from after 2001 or September, 2001, that shows a new postscript.
There's no reviews from the time.
In fact, reviews from the time say that the film was dedicated to the gallant people.
So it was never dedicated to the Mujahideen, but as our buddy, Will Medeker, uh, said, when we recently spoke to him, you don't need a postscript at the end of that movie to know that it was dedicated to the brave Mujahideen of Afghanistan.
It's one of the, Most successful and long-lasting examples of Hollywood getting in on the cultural moment and political moment to make a bunch of Vietnam movies, but about the Soviet Union having their own Vietnam in Afghanistan, which is in fact the line in Rambo 3.
And I, um, in a bonus episode for this season, spend a bit of time talking about, um, Soldier of Fortune magazine, which spent a lot of, uh, ink covering the production of Rambo 3, featuring an interview with Stallone.
And I think it gives a good look at how, you know, like the, the, this, there's a reason that this myth is, you know, to, to, to expand on Brennan's point.
And I think say something that he's said before is like, yeah, there's a reason that this myth is so believable and that like, You know, there's a reason all these people would fall for what is probably one of the more effective Photoshop jobs of the last decade.
It's spiritually true.
Yes.
Yes, exactly.
It could be true, though, right?
Because the world is so crazy now, dude.
Well, the Stargate, you know, depending on maybe there's some VHS from the other dimension, from the Nephilim dimension.
Yeah, Rambo, just to shorten Nephilim.
Yep.
Yeah, they've just worn that VHS out.
They love James Spader in that film.
He's awesome.
So, to give us a bit of context before we talk a bit about the USSR occupation of Afghanistan, what was the Safari Club?
Sure, so the Safari Club was a informal but very real association of different intelligence agencies and military leaders across a wide variety of governments.
And it was organized by a former senior French intelligence official, but the key players in it were The United States, Pakistan, and before he fell in 79, the Shah of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and South Africa and Israel were involved, you know, to varying degrees.
And it's called the Safari Club because its initial meetings took place at a safari-like ranch in Africa owned by Adnan Khashoggi.
A Saudi arms dealer who was involved, of course, in supplying the Mujahideen.
And the Safari Club is a little bit of, you know, well, that just sounds like conspiracy theory babble, right?
It's like, well, it actually, you know, is a real thing.
And we, you know, play the clip or we rather we recount what a former Saudi intelligence chief said to a crowd at Georgetown and explaining it, which was to say, look, You know, in the 1970s, after Watergate, your government's hands were tied.
They couldn't do anything.
There was just too much scrutiny.
And so, they began working more and more with foreign governments to do the things that they would have previously done themselves.
And so you can think of the Safari Club as kind of a real place, location, and network
that was activated for people to accomplish certain goals, all of which were about fucking the Soviet Union up,
which was the whole point of it.
It was the basis for the association.
Those were all the operations these guys were doing under its aegis.
And it was, I mean, it was a very effective in a lot of the alliances that were drawn up from it.
You know, for example, I mean, the US and Pakistan, they endure to this day, incredibly,
in spite of, you know, many, many, many reasons, including two twin tower-sized ones,
for those alliances not to endure.
So how does the USSR come to occupy Afghanistan from '79 to '89?
And what was the United States involvement in that decade-long conflict?
The Soviets invade Christmas 1979, Christmas by the Western calendar.
And it was ostensibly under the terms of a treaty between Afghanistan, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, which was a socialist Marxist government at that time, and the USSR to stabilize the country.
That much is true, although the Soviets were actually quite keen on removing a particularly bloodthirsty strongman who identified as a communist but had a lot of strange, to this day, sort of unresolved associations with the CIA, who was chopping off a lot of heads in what he called a revolution and what others called a coup.
The Soviets didn't like that at all.
They were partial to a moderate socialist faction of the Afghan Communist Party, and they wanted to get this guy out of there.
At the same time, they were also getting pretty nervous about what America had been doing before the 80s even arrived, which is for the majority of the 70s, as the British had done, backing religious and fanatical elements within Afghanistan to fight the progressive central government.
There was more than just the kind of proto-Al Qaeda types fighting the Marxist government and indeed the Soviet invasion that arrived in 79 onward.
But the ones that came to the top, the commanders who eventually did really define and direct the so-called Mujahideen, the holy warriors, or just fighters, These were really criminal elements.
And the guys that we picked, that Saudi Arabia picked, that Pakistan picked and funded, were guys like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was sort of the original figure who would throw acid in the faces of women for being un-Islamic.
Ahmad Shah Massoud, a drug runner whose paramilitary was known for sexual violence in prosecuting whatever battle they were in.
Guys like Abdul Sayyaf, who was a mentor to Osama bin Laden.
These were the fighters and the commanders that we, through the Safari Club and then a vast architecture of Operation Cyclone, that we pitted against the Soviet occupation.
And so while the Soviets intended to only stay for six months or a year, and actually never really wanted to go in in the first place, if people listen to the show, they can hear the great reluctance, the many, many votes that the Politburo had against going in, no matter how many times they were asked by the Afghan government.
Eventually, things were so chaotic over their border, they thought, this is probably going to be bad, but it could be worse if we do nothing.
And so, right or wrong, and it did, of course, by many within the Soviet Union turned out to be a huge error, they decided to get involved.
And they were not able to withdraw within six months.
They were not able to withdraw within a year.
In fact, it was a decade almost that they were there.
And they sued for peace many times.
They tried to bring to the UN within the first, second, third year, tried to bring peace deals.
But the United States, they had a live one.
And Pakistan was using Afghanistan as their own wedge against India and control in the
long war, the kind of cold war between Pakistan and India.
Saudi Arabia was spreading its influence through the religious politics that were sort of reaching
new and more toxic levels in Afghanistan.
So a lot of people had lobbies, a lot of countries on the American side had reasons to keep this
war going for 10 years.
And indeed it did.
And it cost anywhere from 600,000 or 500,000 to a million lives.
And only until 1989 did the Soviets withdraw it.
And when they did, they did actually withdraw in a very orderly way.
And the government that they left in place stunned everyone by surviving for several years and keeping things together.
But the support for the mujahideen did not stop.
And that's where you get into the 90s and the warlord years that toppled that government.
So QAnon supporters, you know, fast forwarding past, you know, the fall of the USSR and a couple of other big historic moments, but... I should say that that's where we get the Taliban, by the way, is what I should put at the end of that, is that what people then think of as the Afghanistan that we met on 9-11, that that's where that happens.
is the continued support for religious politics or religious and criminal politicians within Afghanistan by the United States.
The Taliban rise up to kind of control and put order to the country.
We then welcome in Al Qaeda and, you know, off we go.
And so the United States, having basically forced the or, you know, encouraged the USSR into their own Vietnam as they perceived it, surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to then go into that country afterwards and start fighting the same forces, right?
That's not that's not what happened later under Bush.
We would never do that.
I find the idea offensive, frankly.
There's giants there.
Why would you ever go over there?
Yeah, it's a dangerous place.
You gotta aim high.
We aimed high, all right.
So yeah, you know, speaking of this, QAnon supporters, they often hate Bush and Obama, but then they love Trump.
So can you just tell us a bit about how foreign policy in relation to Afghanistan evolved through those three presidencies?
Sure.
So starting with Bush, basically Afghanistan from the moment that the war began was already like the unloved second child, even though it was the, you know, it came before the Iraq war.
From, you know, like the ashes, ground zero was still smoldering and they were already figuring out like how we could go to war with Iraq.
And you could argue like, you know, there is, it is still up for debate generally speaking about like why did we invade Iraq?
We know why we invaded Afghanistan.
Right?
Like, to get rid of al-Qaeda and take out, to eliminate Osama bin Laden.
And ultimately, you know, it was a bad war goal, perhaps, but it was also declared, we're going to eliminate the Taliban.
We're not going to make it possible for them to, you know, lay down arms.
And the sort of initial process as the war unfolded under Bush was like, well, the Taliban collapsed pretty quick and they captured Kabul, but they found that, like, essentially, while they could control and secure Kabul for the most part, they had no ability over, you know, the course of the first few years to actively, you know, secure the country in the long run.
And when they did secure the country, it basically happened because they began relying on the same warlords, or the sons and cousins of the warlords whom they had relied on years earlier, who, you know, would do things like use the US troops and special forces to settle scores, you know, with rival clan leaders and things like that.
And the Bush administration basically let the, you know, like the perspective, broadly
speaking, I think like, like shared in, certainly from Washington was that like the Afghanistan
war was the good war.
And so as the Iraq war became more clearly like a disaster, it became, you know, like
the rhetoric and the message domestically was for people to, or was for like, you know,
whatever the next administration would be to, you know, pay more attention to Afghanistan.
And Obama came in promising that he was going to say, you know, we're going to, we're going
to look at this again in Afghanistan.
look at this again in Afghanistan, we're gonna fix the playbook. And it ultimately, you know,
We're going to fix the playbook.
And it ultimately, you know, it never really actually amounts to that.
it never really actually amounts to that. And in fact, like, the only thing that meaningfully
And in fact, like the only thing that meaningfully changes that he was gonna say, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna
changes in Afghanistan, aside from like, you know, perhaps like, right, like, not perhaps like
gradual reduction in troops is that the Predator drone program and the assassinations program,
you know, like the Predator drone program is the CIA's baby, it basically becomes like that
plus the combination of like night raids quite famously, which became in time conducted by Afghan
commandos that were trained and supervised by the CIA and other American military leaders, you know,
these, these people, like, or rather these instruments of policy, like that is what policy
innovation looks like under Obama, you know, they cycle through generals, McChrystal, Petraeus,
but like, essentially, they, you know, they make this whole, you know, like, there's even Brennan
made this, you know, we talked in, we go through this in the show, but just how, you know,
they made this whole to do about how we're ending the war in Afghanistan in the second term and like
It doesn't really happen.
The war doesn't end.
Our American troop presence is still there.
So by the time Trump inherits it, he recognizes a stinker when he sees one.
And the military leadership in a lot of ways agrees with him because they let it happen, the withdrawal.
They agree that it's a failed mission and they've been there for a decade and a half already.
And so it's under Trump that, like, you know, like, what becomes, and I'll kick it to Brandon to just talk about the fall of, like, the actual, like, you know, Biden failure of it, but, like, the key gist, I think, of the Trump years was that, like, they negotiated and they made it clear they were going to withdraw, which is to say that, like, so going into Biden's presidency, there should not have been any surprise at what was about to happen once the American military presence was removed from the equation.
Yeah, I mean, under Obama, corruption got even worse than under Bush, if only because of accumulated, you know, year upon year of the way that we had set up the government under Bush.
But corruption was getting worse.
Obviously, as Noah said, drones were introduced.
It became just sort of a fixture that the Obama administration kept saying it was going to fix and do the smart way, but never made any actual progress on.
And so when Trump gets in office, he as Noah said, recognized he could probably get a lot of
points, although it's interesting that he didn't do it in time. He might have gotten slammed in
the way that Biden did, but he thought he could win some serious political capital by getting us
out of our longest war. And so he was very adamant to get negotiations going. And he did. There
were negotiations in 2018 and 19 that bore fruit that essentially, you know, cut a deal between
the Taliban and the United States.
But what was trickier was getting a deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government itself.
In other words, there was peace made between the occupier and the insurgency, but not between these,
you know, legitimate government of Afghanistan.
And so Trump, you know, wasn't able to withdraw in time.
That was left on the agenda for Biden.
He did it.
But he basically just didn't want to give the, this is boiling a lot down, but Biden basically, his White House didn't want to give the appearance that the government wasn't completely ready to take over by starting things slowly and in a staggered way, which, for example, is what the Soviet Union did.
Oh, and also Biden hated Karzai and there was no basis for cooperation between the two.
Karzai was long gone by that time.
Sorry, not Karzai, Ghani.
Yeah.
There was a lot of enmity between like the Kabul government and the Washington at that time, as opposed to years earlier when Karzai, because the Americans were, you know, like they viewed Karzai as being more important for the regional strategy.
They leaned on him then.
So there was also there had been some drift by then.
Yeah, and it was, you know, a very quick and pretty disastrous withdrawal.
But the sort of point of our show and what made us actually want to do this season was, you can certainly criticize that, and many guests on our show do, but ultimately, it's very difficult to imagine how any withdrawal after 20 years of occupying the country was going to go down as anything other than a Taliban takeover.
And I suppose you could imagine one version of it, but Biden and the White House didn't really seem that interested in avoiding it.
They kind of let her rip.
And so now we have the Taliban back in power all those years later.
And I think that there's signs, I wouldn't want to say anything too quickly, but I think there's signs that we will be, you know, in a kind of frenemy status as we were before September 2001 with the Taliban.
There's things we're working on them with, and there's guys we're working on with who we said we would never work with before and after 9-11.
So It's a very, very twisting and bizarre saga, but, you know, it may not actually be completely over yet.
And so, like, I loved hearing Michael Flynn, General Michael Flynn's name come up because he's such like a big presence in the kind of QAnon supporter idea of like the cosmology of power and heroes.
But he comes up in a very different context on your podcast when he was actually very involved in relation to the U.S.
invasion of Afghanistan and the occupation.
I mean, I definitely think that, like, Flynn, it's hard for, it's really hard for people to remember this now, but when Flynn was in uniform, he was viewed by his peers and by a lot of people who, you know, would consider themselves, and frankly, I would consider in the know, to be very capable.
And he was very, very famous for, like, he became notorious, rather, where I think, like, you know, a legitimately public figure, after a 2010 paper that he wrote that was, like, while he was the head of intelligence, army intelligence, in Afghanistan, basically saying that, like, you know, doing a kind of John Paul Vann, a sort of famous soldier, colonel, in the Vietnam era, who, you know, made a similar kind of, like, raging dissent, just saying, like, we're losing, this is bullshit, this is all fucked.
And I think that there is a kind of interesting and sort of credible thread that you can link Flynn to, you know, and also Flynn's brothers are, you know, partly are on Stan McChrystal's staff.
And so when Stan McChrystal gets fired, the Flynn's lose out in power.
So there is also like a kind of, you know, like Afghanistan perhaps had a big role in breaking Michael Flynn's brain, because no matter how many people they killed, no matter how many, quote unquote, terrorists they brought in, Nothing got better.
And, um, it was also where, you know, like, his meal ticket got, like, really screwed.
You know, the careers got derailed for a time.
Mm-hmm.
And so, you know, another kind of big thing at the time when, you know, Obama took out bin Laden and a year and a half later we got Zero Dark Thirty, which I learned on Blowback was, you know, let's say co-authored with the CIA.
So how factual is this movie?
Perfectly factual, right?
It's unimpeachable.
You got James Gandolfini, you know, he's... I'll believe any deep state propaganda if you, you know, you give me James Gandolfini telling you the events.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's a state-directed, you know, official history baked into, obviously, a very high-octane thriller from Hollywood.
And, you know, Kathryn Bigelow seems to have really found a niche in that with Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty, or she did for a time.
She's a great director.
I love Near Dark and a lot of her other movies.
I think that they got really good at massaging, you know, state narratives or whatever you want to call it into really well done and slick Hollywood vehicles for these stories.
So, you know, there's a lot in there about torture and how the torture regime led to the capture and then the courier and the detective work.
There's an entirely different bunch of reporting on the bin Laden, not just the raid and the capture, but on what his status was before he was killed.
That came from reporters like Cy Hirsch and Carlotta Gall of the New York Times that we cite more of in the episodes pertaining to that.
I think one thing like Zero Dark Thirty should be viewed as part of a pretty large universe of accounts from people who had a hand in staging the operation, the so-called operation to get Bin Laden.
And who, you know, have all told this, you know, like a story that has been revised or falsified at various times.
And I think that the, you know, like a lot about what happened bureaucratically to find bin Laden, I'm sure is very fairly represented in Zero Dark Thirty.
But I tend to, you know, I tend to believe like Cy Hirsch's account pretty strongly, both because nobody has been able to knock down specific details from it.
And, you know, if you believe Hirsch's account, then like what you see in Zero Dark Thirty, you know, like the dog don't hunt.
So, yeah.
And just to be clear, rather than just saying it was it was co-authored by the CIA, I just want to be clear.
I mean, there's it's been reported that the CIA has Hollywood handlers.
Yeah, Jason Leopold's FOIA'd and showed that, like, Mark Boll, who wrote the movie, the CIA supervised the script.
They wined and dined.
They wined and dined the directors.
And there's an entire branch of both the DOD and the CIA specifically who consult with Hollywood in order to, as I'm sure maybe you guys have talked about this, in order for filmmakers to get access.
Not only to perhaps if they want, in their view, the most accurate, up-to-date portrayals that, you know, may or may not be coming from the DOD and the CIA.
But if they perceive that, they need access.
Also, it can literally make the difference between you getting the proper, you know, vehicles and locations and stuff.
And that's, they're the gatekeepers for a lot of, you know, obviously very ambitious storytellers in Hollywood who want access to those kinds of things.
But if you do that, you have to play ball.
And if you want to make the, you know, definitive account of how we got Bin Laden, you know, you may find it, I guess in Catherine Bigelow's case, she found it worthwhile to work with the CIA rather than forge a different narrative without their help.
But that meant that they supervised the script and they took stuff out and they added stuff in.
And this happens a lot.
They don't have to censor it after the fact because most of these movies, including Transformers, they are writing it with the studios from the get-go.
And one last thing I'll say like a quick fact is just the movie came out like 18 months after the raid.
Yep.
Like I really cannot stress enough like how crazy it is that like we got such a, you know, polished Hollywood, you know, Oscar nominated Hollywood version of that event, you know, that advanced such a specific version of events about how it happened and why it happened.
It's what people didn't have for the Iraq War.
You know, we talked about that in season one where there really was no reckoning or no, I mean, I don't know how you would reckon with that in some kind of tidy way as a country.
But with Afghanistan, it was like, well, the war is not over, but we can kind of pretend it's over now because we got bin Laden.
So there's conveniently a nice Hollywood movie to wash it down.
There's, you know, the president that at least a much more liberal minded block of voters could say, you know, finished the job in the war on terror.
We can all kind of put that behind us now.
And it was, the film was definitely a part of that, of that kind of national hangover going away from the war on terror.
And nowhere to be found is the Pakistani intelligence guy who defected and actually gave up the position of bin Laden, right?
Like, that's all depicted as detective work.
Yep, correct.
That's like one of the key features of the Zero Dark Thirty narrative is that, like, there was both torture and surveillance of a courier network that led to the capture of bin Laden, when the reality reported by Hirsch and also backed up by Carlotta Gall, the New York Times, is that it was a walk-in.
Who was paid.
And, you know, like with the raid, you know, which, which means that what the raid was, was cleaning up a loose end, in a sense, was getting rid of the very inconvenient fact that bin Laden had been holed up in a compound with armed protection, you know, minutes from, you know, steps from, in the words of a fucking Zillow listing, steps from, like, the Pakistani West Point.
Also, I would just say that the film is effective in a big way because it's not a Daily Wire movie, you know, I mean, to say the least.
Yeah, it's not a Kevin Sorbo feature.
It gives this sheen of, we know this is all kind of fucked up.
You know, we know torture is fucked up and our fighters, you know, they aren't perfect.
And maybe, maybe we shouldn't have done this, but damn it, this is the truth.
And we're going to show you the real gritty, you know, unvarnished, And in a sense, I mean, you know, that's a more advanced type of, I don't want to get on some big ad buster's screed, but I mean, that is a more advanced and sophisticated type of propaganda where you do admit the kind of warts and all of things, which allows the viewer to then, you know, fall hook, line and sinker for the more important claim, which is that this is, this is worth it, even if we have to cry about it later.
Which is very different from the, say, the right-wing Red Scare movies, you know, when it's a binary struggle.
I think the propaganda has evolved with the times in that way, and it is effective.
Yeah, you mentioned how there's nothing like this for Iraq because, I mean, even the Hollywood writers, I don't think, could make a cool movie out of Saddam Hussein being pulled out of a hole and hung in, like, a dark shack, basically.
No, but they did make Three Kings.
That movie's great, but of course it's before the Iraq War and I think that David O. Russell actually supported the war in the beginning because he thought, you know, after making Three Kings, you know, Saddam was a pretty unsavory guy and he thought, well, this is a good thing.
But the movie that, God, what was the movie we watched, Noah, for season one?
The Sean Penn Diplomat movie?
Fair Game.
Fair Game.
And then they tried to make it like a sexy thing about the whistleblowers.
Oh yeah, the Valerie Plame thing.
The Valerie Plame affair.
But it was, again, kind of localized.
Which is like, in retrospect, was just like Carl Rove and Dick Cheney being catty dicks and fucking over somebody who was being mean to them in the press.
But anyway, yeah, that movie is an interesting case study.
Well, I was just going to say, I do think that you could make it a good Iraq War thing.
I just think it's like, you know, what is the form of it?
It would just have to be like a six part, like, you know, come and see style.
Like, it's just something that our culture is not capable of producing in like a really serious way on scale.
Like we make tons of huge war movies.
None of them are meaningfully introspective.
There was another lesser known CIA op in Zero Dark Thirty, I don't know if you guys know, but this was the transition of Chris Pratt as a kind of goofy, sort of overweight, lovable television show character into a muscly, sort of gritty, you know, leading actor type.
Now, he would then go on to star in the Marvel franchise as Star-Lord.
And Chris Pratt is also, you know, he's very religious.
He often talks about religion in his acceptance speeches, and that couldn't have been possible had he not sort of been portrayed as, you know, a gritty Navy SEAL in the Zero Dark Thirty film.
I mean, this was the definitive moment when he went from TV star to movie star.
The CIA probably also taught him to speak to raptors, because that is something that they've been looking into for a while.
I wonder if that works on Nephilim, what he does in those movies, where he just puts his hand out every fucking time there's a dinosaur.
He just puts his hand out.
How stupid is that?
We do need a Nephilim wrangler.
So just to kind of wrap all of this up, basically, you know, in this story of U.S.
involvement in Afghanistan, you've got rigged elections, you've got mainstream media cover-ups, you've got propaganda movies made by Hollywood, you've got, you know, all of this kind of hidden cruelty and the support of, you know, extremist religious forces within a foreign country, all of which you see kind of scrambled up and fucked up in the QAnon lore.
And so one of the things that struck me listening to Season 4 of Blowback, which, blowback.show, go check it out and go pay for it, good listener, was just how good you guys were at connecting the dots of often disparate events over the course of half a century.
And what we're studying, our fucking topic, which I regret to this day, and it's been five years of my life now, Is people attempting to do the same thing but failing horribly, you know, falling for fucking blurry JPEGs and putting together connections that aren't there?
And I know this is a broad question, but do you think that the explosion of conspiracy theories in the United States are a kind of blowback for the decades of propaganda, covert ops, and in a general sense as well, do you think people being so far off track is useful on some level to like the kind of military and or kind of defense deep state?
I think one thing I say often nowadays when we get interviewed is that our show is obviously called Blowback.
It's a good, it's a punchy title.
And there are times when we're looking at the clinical sense of that Chalmers Johnson term, CIA jargon, blowback, unintended consequences due to a policy of interference.
But there's a lot of times when we find it's not that simple.
And that there's a little bit more sinister forces at work that aren't simply, oops, you know, we did this thing a long time ago and now it's biting us in the ass.
I think that's an oversimplification.
There's a lot of examples of that misapprehension in this season, which is thought of as the Uber blowback.
You know, the one thing everyone knows is that we gave these guys guns and stingers and legitimacy and then they do 9-11 later on, right?
But, um, I would say similarly that there's no doubt, you know, It's a failure of what happens in a failed state.
that's festered and grown that you could spend, and you have spent, I'm sure, hours and hours
wading through and diagnosing in many ways. It's a failure of... I mean, it's what happens in a
failed state. And smaller countries, less rich countries, they have this stuff too, where you
go out on the street and you hear any crazy theory about what could be happening because
the president fled the country, or there's a new currency out and blah, blah, blah.
It's not just the Iraqi dinars, you know, with the Trump revaluing.
Chaos and a breakdown of political coherence creates alternate explanations that are, you know, more satisfying for all kinds of reasons, gratifying, all this.
I would only add that much like how we find sometimes it's not simply blowback geopolitically or whatever.
In our show, I think there is also a utility in this incoherence that is obviously quite useful to the Matt Getz's and the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, we all know that.
But I think it's, you know, we know that not just QAnon, but even more like militant, I get, you know, I don't know all the different permutations of QAnon, but old fashioned white supremacist groups, you know, There's FBI informants who turn out to be leading the groups for many years.
There's a very complicated relationship, ironically enough, between the deep state and these, you know, movements, so-called, that are claiming to expose the deep state.
And so, I would say that, of course, it's a symptom of a diseased political situation, but there are also ways in which there's been a lot of, you know, what do they call it, shit-coding?
Yes.
And that you get QAnon talking enough about stuff, uh, if you, as I'm sure you've found, you slip a couple legitimate issues in there, all of a sudden to talk about that issue in an unorthodox way, you're now kind of like, you sound like QAnon.
Like, oh, what are you talking about?
I heard that in QAnon.
Or if Tucker Carlson says that X, Y, and Z happened with something, uh, you know, if he says the JFK situation should be looked at more closely, uh, you know, then all of a sudden it's like, oh, geez, you think the JFK was shady?
You sound like Tucker Carlson.
When, of course, I remember him saying that JFK conspiracists were kooks two years ago when it was useful for him to say that against the loopy left, you know.
And so I guess my reaction to that is, of course, it's political rot, but it's also something that we find in our show, which is something that's useful to certain unsavory parts of the public state and the not-so-public state that we live under.
Yeah, I've always, personally at least, thought it was interesting that the intelligence agencies or the Department of Defense or anybody wouldn't, you know, figure out who QAnon is.
I mean, if they don't have the technical capabilities to do so, like, what are we paying for?
And if they don't have the, you know, the know-how to do so, then I don't know.
I've always thought that that was really strange that you have this sort of anonymous poster that, you know, is creating such a massive movement that's actually leading to pockets of violence and, you know, bigger events, obviously, like January 6th.
And yet, you know, the communications that, you know, have been FOIA'd from the, or have been released from the government about QAnon are very vague and they don't really seem to have any interest in exposing Who it is.
Well, I think that they have a, I don't like the FBI investigates cases and then it puts those cases together for prosecutors to follow through on indictments.
So when the FBI is looking at QAnon and they're looking at like, what are the indictable offenses here?
They're not looking at it like, you know, like they may rhetorically accept or, you know, appreciate and even in their communications, describe it as a centrally derived, you know, like, you know, thing involving this, you know, pseudonymous poster or whomever, but the way that they will relate to it will be that like, you know, somebody gets trafficked, somebody gets murdered, somebody robs a bank, something that falls into their jurisdiction, you know, like, and I'm obviously oversimplifying here, but then as they build a case and they go into these things, I think what makes it interesting and sort of how it's clearly revealed is that, like, they don't have a wider perspective on this.
All you have are, like, teams of chuds putting together cases to try and see, you know, what they can make stick, largely in response to, like, wherever external pressure happens to draw attention.
With sort of January 6th being obviously, like, you know, literally the Naples Ultra.
You could not possibly get that dynamic except on a bigger scale.
So the thing will just happen over and over again because, like, you know, none of the environmental factors are addressed.
But because, like, the FBI's job here is not to actually investigate this thing.
It's not even to punish people who commit meaningful offenses.
It is to, like, collect evidence to build cases that can address, you know, whatever are the specific offenses that they are pressured to investigate.
Much to think about.
Gentlemen, where can people follow you guys and subscribe to Blowback?
I actually have a request for Brendan on this one.
Brendan has perfected of late his William Friedkin.
And so I wanted to ask if he could do a Blowback plug in his Friedkin voice.
Yes, please.
Yeah, because the new Exorcist came out and I hear it's, you know, not so good.
And so I was sending Noah from beyond the grave like William Friedkin talking about the new movie and I was just indulging myself.
OK, let me think here.
All you have to do is go, because... See, I'm going into Trump is the problem, because they actually have a similar cadence.
Oh my god, that's really close.
I was just watching an interview with him very recently, so this is kind of freaky.
Okay, sorry, go ahead.
When I recorded the podcast with Bill Blatty, And Noah Colwin had a smaller role, but he was still very important.
I said, you know, we gotta, we gotta put this on like a website.
So I said, okay, here we go, blowback.show.
That's where people sign up.
You get a lot of bonus content.
And, um, you know, it's like when you, sorry, I can't, I can't Cut all of this.
I am so fucking zonked.
I can't do a bit about William Friedkin right now.
Just cut all that.
Nope.
Very good.
And it's all staying in.
Go to blowback.show.
Lots of extras and subscribe to our podcast to watch the blowback hosts fuck up.
This is where you can come see the bloopers.
We've got the behind the scenes exclusive.
Failure at the Friedkin.
I would say not a failure.
I would say I closed my eyes and I saw him.
I saw him in an interview chair, you know, casually sort of gesturing and, you know, belittling the director of Drive and the other... Neon Dragon or whatever it was called.
We shot a scene for the DVD.
And it's a new scene, and if you look closely, okay, behind Regan, the little girl possessed by a demon, if you look in the window, you can see a Nephilim.
And we're putting it on the DVD.
It's called The Version You've Never Seen.
That's it.
That's my... I think I brought it back a little bit.
Okay, thank you.
No, that was... Thank you, Brandon.
Thank you both for coming on the show, Noah, Brendan.
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May the deep dish bless you and keep you.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's a fact.
And now, today's AutoCue.
In the book of Genesis, it says that the sons of God came into the daughters of men.
They created a hybrid offspring who were called the Nephilim, or the fallen ones.
They're referred to as the giants, or the mighty ones.
Some believe they were between 8 and 15 feet tall.
This is handed down, not only in the Bible.
This is also handed down in Sumerian languages, that some of the gods had sex with humans and the offsprings were giants.
Mythology is full of giants.
And we have to look at these old myths with modern languages.
Change the word of angel into extraterrestrial.
In the beginning of time, extraterrestrials had sex with humans.
And the product of this sexual contact were giants.
Is it possible that as geneticists continue to decode the human genome, they will find that among our various hominid ancestors is a missing link to enormous beings from another world?
Ancient DNA is perhaps, for me, the most important area of study in all of my work.
Because there is the potential chance here that we could find direct evidence of the ancestors of modern humans.
I suspect we'll find lineages of a race of giants.
Could it be that just like some humans have traces of Neanderthal DNA, there could still be similar traces of alien human giants that scientists have yet to discover?
