Jim Watkins threatened to punch Travis at the Trump rally in Florence, Arizona. He later apologized. Also present: members of the 'Negative 48' QAnon cult based out of Dallas, who hung out with now-congressional-candidate Ron Watkins. It looks like QAnon is an integral part of the MAGA movement's lifeblood.
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Welcome, listener, to Chapter 175 of the QAnon Anonymous Podcast, the Arizona Trump Rally episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky.
Julian Fields.
And Travis View.
This week, we're back to our favorite work, wandering out into the 3D world to attend conspiracy theory events.
With me still imprisoned in Bermuda, and Jake preparing for a wedding, Travis cancelled all his Metaverse concerts and headed east, to Florence, Arizona, where the first Trump rally of 2022 was being held.
He did so armed with the knowledge that QAnon father-son tag team Jim and Ron Watkins would be in attendance, along with members of the JFK Jr.
obsessed Negative 48 cult, some of them presumably driving or flying all the way from Dallas to bestow Gematria on fellow patriots.
Headlining the event, of course, was Donald J. Otis Trump, who shared the bill with red-pilled politicians like Wendy Rogers and Paul Gozar, and even one of the cyber ninjas behind the Arizona audit.
But what Travis could not have predicted was that Jim Watkins, owner of 8chan, now 8coon, would threaten to punch him as soon as they came into contact.
Nor that this would lead to a deep and intimate friendship between the two men, profoundly changing the course of both of their lives.
Travis, if I understand correctly, Jim, who once called us, quote, those three homosexuals, helped you write this episode?
Yeah, this is why this episode is going to feature an unusual amount of swears, slurs, and yoga instruction.
So, this is, uh, looking forward to that.
Thank you so much for your help writing this episode, Jim.
Yeah.
Thank you, Jim.
You really opened our eyes to why certain historic genocides are maybe actually good.
So we'll be inserting all of your great ideology and ideas into this.
But also, yeah, basically, Travis went in, he wasn't expecting drama, and you'll hear it in his voice, but he got it.
He certainly got the drama.
No, I actively try to avoid drama.
It bores me.
Yeah, Travis is a drama-free bitch.
He's not a messy bitch like me.
So yes, I traveled to Arizona for Trump's first rally for the new year.
The actual rally itself took place in Florence, Arizona, which is about 60 miles southeast of Phoenix.
The venue is the Country Thunder Festival Grounds, which is this large dirt lot surrounded
by just miles and miles and miles of empty desert.
It was actually quite eerie and lonely.
So yeah.
That explains the insane winds that seemed to be like flapping every flag, at least until
later when Trump kind of landed and the winds quieted down, the storm cleared for him.
Yes, yes.
At some points it was very, very breezy, which honestly sometimes made it difficult to even get a good recording.
But yeah, so it was interesting times.
So I think that my big lesson from my experience is that QAnon is in the bloodstream of the MAGA movement now.
I used to try to make a distinction between weird fringe QAnon stuff and mainstream MAGA.
If you remember back in 2018, the organizers of Trump rallies, after a few incidents, they made efforts to force QAnon followers to discard their Q merchandise before they got inside the venue.
They didn't want their MAGA events infected by QAnon.
But that's not the case anymore.
So now, post-insurrection, QAnon theories, they're wedded to MAGA narratives.
And QAnon followers and enablers can be found both in the crowd and on the stage right before Trump speaks.
So this is just, it's not like a separate thing anymore.
QAnon has just fully been absorbed into the MAGA world.
By the time I had arrived at the festival grounds in Florence, some diehard Trump supporters had already been there for days.
Among them was the Negative 48 cult, led by Michael Brian Protzman.
Now, Protzman is an anti-Semitic Nazi sympathizer with a history of domestic abuse who leads followers through Gematria, which is like a kind of numerology.
We've discussed it before.
It is some weird brain-melting stuff, and I don't like it very much at all.
Now, you may recall that the Negative 48 cult is the one that went to Dallas last November and waited in Daily Plaza for the arrival of JFK and JFK Jr., and when the Kennedys did not arrive, the group continued to occupy Dallas.
On Twitter, Twitter user 2022 underscore karma has continued to closely follow their online activity, and it's still pretty disturbing, and she does great work.
It was reported last month that members of the negative 48 cult were drinking a chemical cocktail that contains the quack miracle cure chlorine dioxide.
The Dallas reporter reported that people in Dallas were drinking this toxic substance from a communal bowl like it was punch at a party.
Just communal bleach, basically.
Everyone take a sip from the bowl of bleach.
Yeah.
Awful stuff.
Now, one thing I will mention is that, you know, like all Trump events, I guess, it was an extremely sort of merch-oriented event, you know?
Like, there was, you know, just lots and lots of merch vendors, and I rolled up, and I was just wearing, like, a long-sleeve shirt, and I was wearing jeans, and merch vendors saw me as a mark, because they saw me as, like, naked.
They were like, oh man, We need to get you a hat.
We need to get you a shirt or something, because really, if you are not covered, if you don't have something that says Trump, if you don't have something that says, let's go, Brandon, then you really stick out, which, you know, I did.
So this time you didn't go for the merch?
No, I didn't go for the merch.
Well, you know, here's the thing.
I did actually, there's like, I did spot, just for the sake of our collection, for the sake of history and memorabilia, there was a Q bumper magnet being sold.
I noticed that the amount of Q merch available was fairly limited.
Mostly it was like, you know, basic Trump merch, or it was, you know, fuck Joe Biden, or let's go Brandon merch.
That was extremely popular.
Lots and lots of Cheeky let's go Brandon sort of shirts and hats and buttons and stuff.
So yeah, that's the only thing I got was like the Q sort of bumper magnet.
It was it was fun because like it was very has very carnival barker atmosphere because they're like, you know, there are all these people who are like a lot of the merch vendors.
I seem seem to be actually be fairly apolitical like it says there.
They're just they're just they're trying to draw people in it was a you know, very interesting atmosphere.
So, while at this event, I ran into the Negative 48 cult member, Mickey Larson Olson.
And Mickey Larson Olson is impossible to miss.
She's very recognizable.
She can be spotted wearing a red, white, and blue bodysuit.
And it has a big, cute write on the chest that's surrounded by a star.
She wears an American flag jacket and a large, like, captain's, like, M. Bison hat that's just massive.
Yeah, she looks like a superhero.
Like, she is fully, like, in the Marvel QAnon extended universe.
And she also has, of course, she has the red thigh-high boots and also like a red, white and blue wig.
And I mean red, I mean like cherry red.
So, of course, in addition to that, she drives a red convertible Mazda that she calls her Q-mobile.
And this Q-mobile is covered inside and out with Q decals, and this includes the windshield, which is so covered in QAnon-related stickers that it seems to be unsafe to drive.
I would not feel comfortable behind the wheel of this thing because my vision would be so blocked.
Yeah.
And I mean, it is so confusing because it feels like some of it is on the outside, right?
So can you even use the wipers?
Wouldn't it fuck up all your decals?
Does she have to kind of hand scrub this thing?
Or what happens if it rains?
That is an excellent question.
But yeah, she's in the, she's in the negative 48 crew.
She was in Dallas and yeah, her car has Q-Patriot on it.
It says, hold the line.
It has a lot of smaller, has some, it has a Trump JFK Jr.
2021 sticker.
And to be clear, she has gone as far as making the seatbelt kind of cover sleeves printed with QAnon stuff.
It says, where we go one, we go all, across your chest when you drive this thing.
Or if you're, I guess, a passenger.
Yeah, I saw inside actually her like floor mats, her like driver's side floor mats, even though it has a where we go when we go all on it.
So you wouldn't even see that from the outside.
So it's just inside and out, just totally covered.
Bizarre to see.
But so Mickey Larson Olsen, as she is quick to remind people, she's both an Iraq war veteran, and she's a criminal defendant for her participation in the events at the Capitol on January 6.
Yes, I'm Master Sergeant Retired Mickey Lynn Larson Olson, Iraq War Veteran, author of a poem called We're Ready to Fight.
I'm also a January 6th defendant.
They put a charge on me January 20th and I still have that charge.
My next remote hearing is January 20th.
So they didn't want this costume, this cue mobile, my cue songs, and this poem.
They didn't like me handing this hooray fuck poem to the troops in DC.
They didn't like it.
So what they did, they pressed charges against me on January 19th for Unlawful entry to Capitol grounds.
I was not on the Capitol.
What it was, was I refused to walk down from the stairs.
They tapped me on the shoulder and they said, ma'am, it's time to go after they gassed us.
I said, I'm not going anywhere.
I latched my thigh-high red boots around the scaffolding and my arm around behind me.
And it took six Capitol Police to pry me down.
And then one of them threatened me twice.
She said, do you want me to pepper spray you?
I laughed at her face.
I said, I am an Iraq war veteran.
There is nothing you can do to me.
I haven't been through already.
You could shoot me dead for all I care, but I'm not walking.
At that time, I truly believed Ashley about it.
was gone. So anyway, we support you, Mickey. Thank you, dear. I appreciate it. God bless you all.
I want you to, I'm going to send you with my poem, y'all. I, and uh, and Melania gave it a heart.
General Flynn recently signed it for me in Dallas. I did miss that she has a sticker on her car that
says, "My favorite sailor calls me mom." Yeah.
I'm assuming that, so it's like a generations of troops.
Sounds like it, yeah.
She served in the Air Force herself, but yeah, sounds like she's a military family.
And also, I mean, Travis, I could barely hear it, but I think you said I've already got one when she was handing out her poem?
Yeah, I had been chatting with her a while before some other people had gathered to also gawk at her Q-mobile.
It looks like a nice car, you know?
I don't know why you'd want to gunk it up with all those stickers and stuff.
It's gonna be really hard to get off when you want to resell it, maybe.
Yeah, that roof goes down fine, too.
Like, it's fully functional.
You can cruise with the top off.
So, yeah, according to Mickey Larson Olsen, her car was vandalized while she was in jail for, you know, her participating in January 6th, and she blamed this vandalization on the media for demonizing Q. Now, while I was speaking to her, she referred to Q as this letter.
And they want you to believe This after 21 years of honorable service that nearly got blown to bits twice in Iraq.
They want you to believe I'm a traitor and a terrorist and because they the media what they did was my car was keyed What does that letter mean to you?
the 9th and when I was in jail on the 19th I got out they took a knife to the
hood of my car and then they sliced two of our tires and put a screw in one
because the media is the enemy of the people and they convinced everybody that
I'm a traitor and a terrorist because of this letter. They don't like this letter.
What does that letter mean to you? Truth. Truth. Not my truth, not anybody else's
It's about owning your own truth.
So Q is a military information dissemination operation.
That was necessary because the media is bought up by six corporations and they meet up and that's why so much of it is called Operation Mockingbird and they sound all the same.
Like you'll see and they say the same odd thing all day because they get talking points at four o'clock in the morning.
What they're allowed to talk about and what they're not.
And they're all owned and they're all corrupt.
And so Q was essential to get the message out to the people, using people like me.
Travis is just incredible.
Now, while speaking to her, she also told me about Gematria, Gematria, whatever the hell you call it.
And while explaining this to me... Come on, it's Gematria!
God damn it, man.
Who gives a shit?
Who gives a... Okay, fine, whatever.
We've lost him.
He's gone.
I know.
He's gone.
The pronunciation on this G is, of all the mental fortitude that Travis has cultivated in the last four years, this soft G or hard G is just the final straw that broke the Travis's back.
Travis, say it with me.
Gay matrix.
So while she was explaining this to me, she claimed that someone killed her dog, which was named Liberty, for some reason.
Do you know anything about Tamachi?
Uh, you know what, actually, I know a little... About A is 1, B is 2, C is 8.
So, if you know anything about Dramatria, 0 means nothing, 6, 6 is freedom.
So, if you take all the letters in the word freedom, and you assign the numbers to them based on where they are in the alphabet, it totals 66.
So, they killed freedom, and then they killed my dog, Liberty, behind my house.
In the alley behind my house, they killed my dog Liberty.
And the guy said he thought she was a pothole.
It was broad daylight.
She was an overweight black lab.
And he was driving.
Well, I was talking to Mickey Larson Olsen.
She also got into like sovereign citizen stuff.
And one tenet of sovereign citizen beliefs is that the United States ceased to be a republic in 1871 when it became a corporation.
Some QAnon followers took this a step further to claim that Trump somehow restored the republic and therefore all laws and presidents after 1871 were all null and void.
And in Larson Olson's telling, this meant that Trump was now the 19th president and the living JFK Jr.
is the 19th vice president.
Um, she told me this while talking about her belief that JFK Jr.
followed her on Twitter.
Beautiful smile and shirt.
Have a great day.
And that day, JFK Jr.
started following me on Twitter.
And yes, he's still alive and he's your 19th Vice President of our Republic.
Our country was stolen from us in 1871 and we were made a corporation.
We have dual governments going on right now and the corporation's done for.
So hang in there everybody!
Awesomeness is coming and I know that sounds crazy but you're gonna find out.
I'm not lying.
I have no reason to lie.
Yeah, she was very enthusiastic despite seeming to be kind of self-aware about how she sounded.
I think that the most kind of successful QAnon people at just maintaining their belief system are the endless positivists.
People who really have a kind of cheerful approach to everything and see the silver lining even when the clouds are dark and full of water.
Yeah, I would agree.
You don't find too many doomers that are, you know, public facing sort of QAnon influencers or kind of, you know, mini celebrities within that movement.
Everybody's kind of, yeah, they're kind of just always positive, you know?
The storm is just around the corner.
JFK Jr.
is Just around the corner from revealing himself.
It's all it's gonna be fucking great.
It's gonna be great Don't you worry?
I mean, I guess we do repeat this a lot, but it's worth repeating again This is the state of a lot of Christians in America who believe that Jesus is right about to come back Like it it is spoken about in the same endless rolling date impending doom Slash impending utopia terms that we hear repeated throughout the Q movement Now, I think it's also worth talking about the whole sovereign citizen thing, because Mickey Larson Olsen is hardly the only QAnon promoter to embrace sovereign citizen beliefs.
Now, it's actually part of like a long-standing mesh between QAnon and sovereign citizens.
Recently, QAnon promoter Ann VanderSteel appeared on Joe Altman's podcast, and while there, she said that she was an American state national.
She claims that this means that she didn't have to pay taxes, and her vote somehow had the power of four votes.
Of course, this is all pseudo-law and nonsense, and it appears- Wait a minute.
This sounds like playground logic.
Be like, well, I get four votes.
I'm four votes then.
Dude, this is like, uh, yeah, at the end of an article, you know, this one trick can make your vote worth four times more and you can stop paying taxes.
It's, yeah, this, the weird sovereign citizen thing.
They always, I mean, they believe in the, if you say the right magic legal words, then you can sort of like, you know, be free of all legal consequences and never have to pay taxes and get the feds off your back.
But it just doesn't work like that.
Yeah, when the IRS shows to your door, you just go, this is not the patriot you're looking for.
And it works.
Yeah.
So it appears that Vandersteel got these nonsense ideas from a sovereign citizen guru named Bobby Lawrence.
But here's what Vandersteel said in a clip that was flagged by Right Wing Watch.
I decided to become an American state national.
Joe, you've heard me talk about this a little bit on the Health and Freedom Tour, but I decided that the 14th Amendment Uh, citizenship, the federal citizenship of a bankrupt corporate entity known as the United States.
You know, there's, there's a lot of things people may or may not understand that some people have heard about the act of 1871 and all this stuff.
The truth of the matter is there is a United States and the federal government is part of a, a municipal, a corporate entity that was part of Washington DC that was only supposed to be Washington DC, 10 square miles.
But the 14th Amendment basically hijacked all of the state's sovereignty and made anybody who opted into Social Security a 14th Amendment federal citizen.
Therefore, you've exchanged your God-given rights, your Bill of Rights, and you've exchanged them for government privileges.
The privilege to get welfare, the privilege to get student loans, to get Social Security, to get health care, all this stuff that our Constitution... So you don't have to pay Social Security?
You don't have to pay Social Security anymore?
You don't have to pay FICA?
I don't have to pay into it anymore.
I don't have to pay income taxes, personal income taxes anymore, because... Can you get all your money out that you put in?
Yes, you can.
Because I put a lot of money in.
Yeah.
I've put a lot of money into the system over the last 25 years.
Yes, you can, Joe.
Yes, you can.
You get anything you put in, you get out.
You get out.
Fascinating.
Can you still run for office?
Yeah, you can absolutely still run for office.
In fact, you can still vote.
You vote as a delegate, which has the power of four votes.
Dude.
Joe Altman is a cretin of the first order, but even he tilted his head in disbelief when she said the four vote thing.
He was down when she said that he could literally demand the IRS return anything he's paid into the social system that he has undoubtedly received services from and a variety of things.
But yeah.
And what does Ann VanderSteel think she's done?
Has she written a note for herself?
What process does she think she's gone through?
I think the event that she's gone through is known as a concussion.
What happened to her partner, Bill Mitchell?
He is notoriously absent from the QAnon video circuit this last year, really.
He hooked up with Gary Busey and hasn't been seen since they were at that Crocodile Cafe off the coast of Florida.
Well, I guess that explains it.
I'm sure he's on Telegram.
I'll bet he's on Telegram.
I'm sure.
I can't imagine that he would ever stop posting because, man, that guy was a maniac.
Yeah.
So, yeah, back to Mickey Larson Olsen.
So before I left my discussion with her, she explained why the Rolling Stones were actually dead and they were replaced by celebrities we think are dead.
And this can be proven by watching concert video footage of their performance in Dallas.
All right.
God bless you, but don't be surprised because we're not lying when we say at the Rolling Stones concert in Dallas, Michael Jackson and Prince were both Mick Jagger.
They're all dead because they were evil.
They were evil people, okay?
And I know that sounds crazy, but I want you to look at some video.
Okay.
I want you to go to YouTube, okay?
Mick Jagger's an ugly SOB, but they made Michael Jackson's mask even uglier.
I want you to watch closely at the man's movements.
You ever seen Mick Jagger do the moonwalk?
I haven't, no.
You ever seen Mick Jagger play the guitar?
I don't think I have, no.
Can you ask me why, after he's been in the music business for all these years, he's never once played with the guitar, but yet he'd come out and played it like he'd been playing it forever?
You know why?
Why?
Because that was Prince.
Wow.
I want you to look closely.
You will see those are two clearly different people.
Okay?
Watch the video on YouTube of the concert.
You will clearly see those are two different people.
Okay?
And Elvis Presley is Bob Joyce.
He is a pastor out of Arkansas and he was playing the keyboards at the Rolling Stones concert.
And JFK Jr., yes, JFK Jr., very, very, very much alive.
I was one of 104 people he used to follow on Gab.
Okay, this rocks because she has the tone of a parent explaining what's in your gifts to the child when the child is crying on Christmas morning.
You know?
It's like, no, you don't.
It's gonna be odd.
Everything's gonna be so... And she's genuinely kind to you.
She's like, Travis, you're gonna have so much fun once you realize that Mick Jagger's actually Prince.
We're all gonna have so much fun.
Yeah.
And I believe her.
I believe her, Travis.
You could have fun.
You know, I'm sure it's fun to believe in absolute reality defying nonsense.
I refuse to participate despite that.
But yeah, she was, you know, she was very gregarious, you know, obviously she had this sort of unrelenting positivity despite, like you said, her hearing for her involvement in January 6 being imminent.
So yeah, yeah, she was an interesting, interesting woman.
Yeah, the people who have been proven to be dead are not dead, and the people who we have very many videos of them being very much alive are dead.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was not really that familiar with the Rolling Stones or Mick Jagger, I have to say, so I checked on Reclaim.
Apparently, well, of course, yeah, Keith Richards is the lead guitarist for the Rolling Stones.
Mick Jagger reportedly got his first guitar at age 14, and he was first credited as a guitarist for Rolling Stone songs for their 1971 album Sticky Fingers.
So if you Google Mick Jagger guitar, you can see many photos going back decades of Mick Jagger playing the guitar.
No, no, that's actually the Puddle of Mud singer who went back in time.
Yeah, exactly, because Puddle of Mud, as we all know, Christian band.
And what do we know about Christians?
Good.
Ability to time travel.
Goddammit, you ruined my joke by coming up with a better one, you son of a bitch.
Oh, Travis, this is so delightful.
I mean, you know what?
Yeah, I'm having fun again.
There is something to, like, there's two choices when you're up against the wall, and, you know, things are in a crisis, you're getting less opportunities, you're coming to, like, an existential breakdown, almost, and you want to do something.
One of them is having a shit ton of fun, and these people are definitely those people, unfortunately, right now.
They, I mean, they pay the price, for sure, but, I mean, you have This kind of positivity is impossible to find elsewhere, except with people totally detached from reality.
I wonder what that means.
It's always been that, though.
I mean, that was the appeal of the whole sort of, like, Trump thing.
It was like, hey, you get to cast your fears about the future of America, yadda yadda yadda, aside, and just have a big party for four years.
I mean, that was the vibe.
You know, I remember, uh, like very early on when I was, you know, shortly after the election and I was looking in two subreddits.
It was our politics.
And then there was, uh, the Donald and our politics was just rife with infighting and, uh, criticisms and, uh, you know, what have you.
And then you go over to the Donald and it was like, A 100% party all the time.
I mean, you can see why people, you know, who even might not be particularly political were like, ah, I choose this reality where everybody's drinking beers and, and, you know, the world is saved as opposed to these people that are drinking coffees and the world is doomed.
So true.
Ron Watkins, the former 8th Coon Administrator and prime suspect for being one of the main people behind Q, was also in attendance at this Trump rally.
And you also may recall that Ron Watkins did a lot to fuel the Stop the Steal narratives, made bogus accusations against Dominion voting systems.
He encouraged people to travel to D.C.
on January 6th.
He was retweeted by then-President Trump several times before they both had their Twitter accounts suspended.
However, Ron's reason for attending this rally was to promote his candidacy for office.
He is running for Congress in Arizona.
He, along with his father, a Kuhn owner, Jim Watkins, they're handing out signs that said CMZ Army on one side, and CMZ is short for the Ron Watkins pseudonym Code Monkey Z. And on the opposite side of these signs, it simply said Trump won.
So they were out promoting themselves.
Oh, cool.
So it doesn't matter then if Ron wins or loses because he'll win.
Yep.
Right.
All he has to do is just write it on the back of a sign.
Oh my god, when Ron Watkins finally loses, can you imagine the conspiracy theories that he's gonna come up with?
It's gonna rock.
Now, I was able to speak to Ron very briefly, but he was honestly pretty busy.
I mean, there were lots of news outlets, from international news outlets included, who wanted to speak to him.
He was also being treated like a rock star from like the many Trump supporters around.
I imagine it's because of his promotion of the Stop the Steal narratives, at least that's my guess.
They're fist bumping him, they're taking pictures with him, but no, he was having a good time.
He was being treated like a celebrity.
And he gave me time for two questions.
So first, I asked about his validation of the identity of Q on 8chan.
And like, you know, this is one of the biggest evidence that he's, you know, deeply involved in QAnon.
So yeah, normally on image boards when your, like, password is, like, cracked or leaked for your trip code, you have no way of recovering your identity.
But Q's password was leaked and hacked several times, which essentially required Ron to personally verify
who the supposed real Q was.
He just said that, like, well, someone asked him to identify who the real Q was,
and he did so, and he didn't elaborate much, honestly.
And secondly, I asked him about, okay, what is his main issue for Congress?
How would he represent his constituents, you know, if he's serious about this, if he were elected?
And I naively thought that this question would result in a poorly thought out answer, maybe a trolling answer,
or an answer that revealed his conspiratorial thinking.
Instead, he told me that his number one issue was water rights for Native Americans, which I thought, Travis, I'm sorry to announce, but that was a troll.
Yeah, I was like, what?
I mean, yes, you're right.
That was a troll.
I thought, well, gee, well, goddamn, that's a surprising, thoughtful answer.
But that was just the answer he gave me.
When he was asked a similar question later that evening on the live chat, he said that his number one issue was human trafficking.
Well, there you go.
Perfect.
Great.
Okay.
What is your main topic that you like to discuss?
Oh, yeah, thank you for that.
What you said was very interesting.
And right now I'm, I'm running in Arizona district number two, which is the northern part of Arizona.
And there is a big human trafficking problem out there, especially on the indigenous peoples reservations.
Mm-hmm Wow he this is like crafted by the most biggest troll ever Yeah, this is so evil.
It's just like yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah fuck you by the way for this wrong Yeah, yeah, so it sounds like he's maybe a little savvier than I gave him credit for he's able to like tailor his answer very carefully depending upon who the audience is mm-hmm Now, during the event, Ron Watkins also rubbed shoulders with members of the Negative 48 cult.
He took a photo with them, which was posted online.
However, during a live chat after the rally with QAnon promoter Tommy Numbers, Ron said that he wasn't very familiar with Gematria, which caused Tommy to explain it to him.
No, I don't know much about Gematria.
I don't really follow that very closely.
So if you could explain it to me that would be really great because these days a lot of people are bringing up gematria and I just don't know what it is honestly.
Okay, well so gematria Ron is, there's a few methods, there's a few versions of gematria but the one that I use primarily is called simple gematria.
And quite simply, I think it's probably the most beautiful, but it is the most simple.
And you'll know this with math, there's a lot of beauty in simplicity, but obviously complexity as well.
You know, the paradox of those things.
So, A is the first letter of the alphabet, so therefore it equals 1.
B is the second letter of the alphabet, therefore equals 2.
C is 3, D is 4, etc.
All the way through to Z, or Zed in English, in England, is 26.
And then you get the chance to add up the numerical value of words, places, names, book titles, patriots' names, Addresses anything that comes to mind really.
President Trump's phrases, the things that he uses, queue posts, things in the community, things in the Patriot Movement and the Truth Movement.
Okay, but how do numbers work, then?
If it just goes 1 to 26 with the letters, how do numbers apply to that system?
So, yeah.
We watched nearly this entire thing, me and Jake, last night, and it was just so clear that Ron wanted to basically make Tommy feel bad, and so he just kept pressing him on technical things around this thing, which he could have looked up the Wikipedia of.
It's pure bad faith.
He was asking questions like, uh, how many hours a day would you say that you spend, uh, thinking about numbers?
Yeah, stuff like that.
Like it was just, it was, it was pretty sad.
I don't know.
Tommy looked like he had eaten a bad batch of shrimp.
Yeah, Tommy.
I was team Tommy the entire time because it was, you know, here is one of Tommy's heroes, you know, somebody who he believes is, you know, heavily involved, you know, at the very least knows who Q is.
And here he is on his live stream, you know, conversation with the man himself.
And he had to spend most of his time kind of explaining and defending why he did what he did.
There was a moment in the conversation where Ron was like, So what's the meaning of all this?
Like, and so the number letters, you know, match up to numbers and then what's the sort of meaning of it all?
Yeah.
It just felt like a cruel, it felt like what it was.
A cruel person kind of exploiting the fact that the other person is a little off, let's put it that way.
And just kind of dialing in on like where he can make that person squirm the most.
But I guess that's what you get for being an ally of Ron Watkins.
Of course, at the event was also Jim Watkins, owner of 8kun.
So I introduced myself and I shook his hand.
And I said, I was Travis View from the QAnon Anonymous podcast.
And Jim responded by exploding with rage at me, which Kind of surprised me.
Now, I assume Jim Watkins didn't like me, which is fine, but only in the sense that he doesn't like any journalist.
Like, if you watch the HBO documentary Queue Into the Storm, you'll see that Jim Watkins has a sit-down interview with Daily Beast reporter Will Sommer.
And Jim Watkins obviously doesn't like the Daily Beast or Will Sommer, but he's capable of, like, talking to him, like, in complete sentences and without, you know, squaring a lot.
But when I approached Jim, here's the very first thing that he said to me.
You want to get punched?
Get the fuck out of my face.
Fuck off!
You haven't fucked off yet?
I guess I haven't.
How do I wash you off my hair?
Fuck off, you motherfucker.
You are the dumbest shit-ass motherfucker in the United States.
You are an absolute shit-ass.
Why is that?
Look at you.
You look like a shithead.
Fuck off. You are unwanted here.
Well, I would say that Travis does not look like a shithead.
So that's my second, this is the second opinion. I was like, I was pretty bewildered. I was not
expecting that reaction. Um, so, so after this, this, he He wanted to get some help abusing me, so he proceeded to point me out to the mass of Trump supporters that surrounded us in an attempt to, you know, incite the crowd against me.
Hey guys, this is the guy that hates Trump.
Right here.
Then why are you here?
He must love you.
He is the Trump hater.
Why are you here?
Right here.
His name is Travis Yu, and he hates Trump.
And he's here to cause trouble.
He's here to cause trouble.
He hates Trump.
Sad, sad.
Yeah.
I like that he said that, you know, I'm the Trump hater.
I'm the guy who hates Trump.
Like I, I invented hating Trump.
I'm the guy who, I'm the one person who does that sort of thing.
Yeah.
We all know you love Trump.
Everybody would love Trump if it wasn't for this one shit ass.
We'd be all having a great ass time out here.
Okay.
On these stomping grounds, but we got a shit ass to wash off our hands.
So, a nearby woman, a spectator, heeded Jim's message and asked if I was there to harass conservatives, which is not something I ever do.
I'm always there to, like, learn, to observe.
I can't do that and harass at the same time.
Yeah, learn, listen.
Learn, listen, and record.
So you come out here to harass us conservatives?
I didn't harass anyone.
Is that your problem?
Why don't you just go on down the road?
We're tired of y'all's shit.
Alright.
Goodbye.
How's life going?
Good?
I'm not one.
So, you know, how's life going? Good?
Fuck off. Fuck off.
You deserve that one.
We'll let you have that one for free, Jim.
How's your day going, you fucker?
I think he said, how's life going?
Yeah, how's life going?
How's life?
How's life going?
But yeah, I mean, good on you, man.
I mean, if I was in a crowd filled with Trump supporters and somebody was like, they hate Trump!
And, and the, you know, the rabble, you know, started closing in around me.
I mean, my shorts, they would have been swishing.
If you know what I mean.
Yeah, no, Travis stuck around and that's when he asked if you were going to tase him.
Did he, was he referring to your recorder?
Yeah, he was stuck my recorder.
Yeah, I have a, a Tascam recorder and he seems to have mistaken it for a taser.
So yeah, so yeah, I did, I didn't move because I was honestly, I was interested in hearing what he had to say, you know?
I figured, you know, the worst thing, um, that could happen would be like, I would be, you know, I mean, I either was, I wasn't really worried.
I was like, number one, this is like an event in which the fucking, uh, you know, ex-president was attending.
So security was ample.
I had witnessed recently a, there was like at the event, there was a woman who was, uh, who was walking around with a Biden sign and causing trouble and she was taken down by two sheriffs.
So obviously any kind of like, you know, Conflict or harassment, they squash down pretty quickly, I wasn't worried.
And honestly, I think I could take Jim.
Yeah, you're a bigger guy, yeah.
I think that, you know, I have a height advantage, I have an age advantage, I think I have a... He's obviously a little bit more fiery than I am.
Yeah, he's got the rage.
He's got the rage.
It depends on what's your, you know, often times that comes down to, you know, who's going to win a fight, a physical fight.
What's your rage index like?
Yeah, good point.
How angry are you inside and how ready are you to convert that rage into energy?
Right.
At the very least, I feel confident I could fend him off, you know, but... I would assume that you would have to kind of lower your center of gravity because he'd come low and try to flip you.
Yeah.
So as long as you were able to do that.
Yeah, he might know some like Krav Maga or like, I don't know, I could, you know, I could imagine him and Ron kind of like, you know, Sort of practicing martial arts or something together.
So he might have a couple tricks up his sleeve, but look, it would be a fair fight.
Yeah.
And, and I don't think you would have ended up getting truly hurt before, you know, somebody pulled it apart.
What we don't know is that Jim has been using those little like, um, wrist, uh, like hands.
What are those called?
Those little workout tools.
So he has very powerful fists, but that's it.
Also, Travis, the TASCAM is kind of like the Bible that stopped the bullet for you, because maybe he would have punched you if he didn't think you could TASE him?
Yeah.
Potentially.
Never know.
Yeah, we'll see.
That TASCAM does look like a TASER, by the way.
If you don't really know what a taser or a task cam looks like, you could honestly, you know, I could see that.
Yeah, you know, I didn't really mind that like, when Jim Watkins was ranting against me, but I
was a little bothered by the fact that this woman who learned about my existence two seconds earlier
decided that I was an evil presence needing to be expelled.
Be like, oh, what business is this of yours?
Why are you taking his side?
You don't know this guy either.
Yeah, and you know what?
I don't have any Biden gear on.
I'm not simping for Biden.
Like, I'm just, you know, I'm wearing a button-down shirt and some jeans and this taser.
You don't know, but he had an ice cream cone in his hand.
And he had sunglasses on.
So, Jim Watkins, he continued to rant at me, and it even got to the point that some people in Jim's entourage were attempting to calm him down.
You are a big poop.
Hey, Jim.
It's okay, man.
It's not okay.
This is a real fucker.
This is a real fucker and he goes like this to stay out of jail.
In fact, he's been in jail.
Alright, well... You're a criminal, you know that?
Do you realize you've been in jail in Riverside?
I've never been in jail in Riverside.
But where have you been in jail traffic?
Never.
I've never been arrested, you know, and even if I was, that wouldn't be evidence I actually committed a crime.
So very, very strange.
So I think you have the jail and Riverside comment.
I think that might be referring to the fact that I have received a speeding ticket in Riverside County, California.
So if you use one of those online background check services, it might show up on my record as a arrest miscategorized.
It just categorizes like all criminal violations in the sort of the same kind of way.
So it seems as though what happened is that Jim Watkins is not only familiar with me, he looked at my background in an attempt to dig up dirt on me.
And he, you know, he didn't do a very good job.
But yeah, so weird.
I mean, not to mention he uses your pseudonym when he calls you out in public.
It would make you more embarrassed if he had switched to your real name.
Yeah, that was weird too.
The whole situation was weird.
Yeah, I mean, you handled yourself, you know, pretty well, pretty impressive, you know, in the midst of... It's, you know, I imagine it's a pretty uncomfortable situation, and I'm just, you know, can't hear it too well in the recording, but, you know, imagining that this whole thing is unfolding while this, like, patriotic sort of country song, like, blares on in the background is just, like, very surreal and, uh... Nightmarish.
Yeah, it's a piece of art, actually.
So after this, Jim Watkins threatened to harass me as long as I continued to attend the Trump rally.
You're not welcome.
Everywhere you go, I will walk behind you while you're here and tell people who you are.
Have a good day here.
You're gonna enjoy it.
You are going to enjoy it.
You know why, and he knows why, because he's hooked with me online, privately, as an anonymous, and then he comes out publicly, and he's a shithead.
You're an absolute shithead.
Is that true?
Have you ever antagonized Jim online, anonymously?
No, no, no.
That's, that's, I have no idea what the hell he was talking about.
I assume, yeah, I don't know if he, it's just weird.
Cause it's like, I assume that he doesn't like, you know, reporters or whatever, people who talk about them, but like a lot of people don't talk about them.
I just don't, I don't understand what the hell is going on.
So yeah, finally, some people who are with Jim, they convinced him to just walk away from where I was.
I was like, I was left there just baffled by like, It's not that I care whether or not Jim Watkins hates me, it's just why I specifically inspired this explosion was confusing to me.
This is why I kept, like, asking him, like, what the hell did I do?
Right.
Especially because in the past, I mean, you know, when we were at the Arizona rally in Scottsdale, the first sort of, like, big QAnon event that we went to that was, like, during COVID, from which the famous short swishing incident Um, you know, once we got outed, the QAnon influencers were actually very interested to talk to us about, you know, why we disliked it.
They were actually, um, pretty non-confrontational and I would say even, even friendly.
Um, so it is interesting to me what exactly it was, um, that really sort of, you know, that he was so upset about.
So yeah, after this incident, actually, I continued to communicate with him through an intermediary because I wanted to know what the hell was going on.
And I figured out that apparently Jim Watkins was under the false impression that I was involved in doxing and threatening his family members.
He claims that someone says that I was involved in doing this.
This is what he says.
He's an unreliable source.
I don't know.
I can't say for sure if this is true or whatever, but this is what he says.
And listen, I've criticized Jim Watkins for lots of things.
I've criticized him for owning an image board where multiple white nationalist mass shooters have posted their manifestos, which is unsurprising that that happened because 8chan's poll board was a haven for Nazis.
White Nationalist Manifesto incidents is what caused Cloudflare to deny the site services, which forced the site to shut down temporarily and then rebrand as 8kun.
And obviously, I've criticized Jim Watkins for QAnon, which he allowed to flourish on the site.
through 8chan and 8kun, he facilitated the destruction of many lives and the erosion
of democracy.
And I've criticized him for attempting to prosecute Frederick Brendan under bullshit
cyber libel laws in the Philippines, forcing Fred to flee the country for fear of his life.
Jim Watkins is responsible for a lot of pain and suffering, and I hope I've had some
role in highlighting all of that.
And if he hates me for saying those things, that's fine, because I stand by those statements,
and I think he has a lot to answer for.
But I don't dox, and I don't threaten, I don't mess with someone's family members
because of who they are.
And after Jim seemed to understand that I wasn't involved in those particular things,
he actually sent me a video apology.
Oh boy.
[laughter]
(laughing)
Hey, Superstar.
I don't agree with you politically, but I shouldn't have gone off on you like that.
It was a real misunderstanding.
It seems like we're both victims of the same turkeys out there.
I'm sorry.
You can say that publicly.
Hey, Superstar.
Much better than shit-ass.
I know, weird.
I accepted his apology.
I also spoke to him in person afterwards, in which he also apologized.
And this is fine.
I was like, I don't care about these clashes of personalities or drama and bullshit.
And I was willing to accept his apology because I wasn't harmed by him blowing up at me.
It didn't hurt me anyway.
It's fucking fine.
I don't give a shit.
And blowing up at me is not the worst of his offenses.
Well, it is.
If you're a big fan, a big Travis fan right now, you're, like, gonna start, like, a hashtag, kind of, protect Travis, that kind of thing.
Yes, that's very nice, but I'm fine.
Like I said, it didn't hurt me whatsoever, and he's hurt other people more than me, I'll say that.
Maybe we can help you recover memories of how this was actually a bigger deal.
It wasn't a big deal.
I'm fine.
So yes, that was that incident.
So, but I'm trying to understand this.
So somebody told Jim that you were part of a doxing operation.
And so that was the whole, that was the whole thing.
And then he realized that you weren't a part of this.
Yeah.
Doxing and threatening specifically his family members.
I don't, I don't know exactly what the hell is going on.
Cause I don't know what the hell he's talking about.
I'll even know if like the doxing and threatening of his family members even happened.
He hasn't provided any evidence of his claims, but he turned around quite quickly once he became convinced that I wasn't involved in whatever doxing and threatening of his family he thought I was involved in.
I'm interested in knowing who he thinks doxed him.
Yeah, or not only Docs, Docs' family apparently.
This is not him specifically.
Yeah, we do not, we do not Docs on the QAnon Anonymous podcast.
And you know what?
There have been QAnon supporters who are aware of our identities who have chosen not to Docs as well.
It's a mutual courtesy, I would say, because, you know, people's families, You don't have a choice of who your family is.
And I think that that's crossing a line.
I think we've always believed that.
So yeah, I was surprised that that was even an accusation that was sort of hurled against you.
And you know what?
Honestly, I'm glad it was cleared up.
So that you can attend more rallies and gain more information in the future without worrying about being tailed by an angry group of MAGA supporters.
Also covering this event was the Right Side Broadcasting Network, and they basically cover all MAGA events.
During their coverage of this event, one of their hosts interviewed a man who seemed to believe that California Governor Gavin Newsom was replaced with a body double.
Well, Newsom's a clone, okay?
They just took him out.
He's a puppet for the left.
Well, he's a different level, you're right.
But the real Governor Newsom has had his military tribunal and his Gitmo and he's been executed, okay?
Well, there you go.
Thank you for your time.
Well, there you go.
Well, there you go!
I like that host tried to clean it up and be like, oh yeah, yeah, he's a puppet for the left.
It's like, no, no, do you understand?
I think he's a physical clone.
He's a clone.
And Gavin Newsom has been tried at Gitmo.
You're not listening to me.
During the right-side broadcast, there's also a list of the names of contributors to the network scrolling in the bottom feed, and some trickster, some troll, claimed that their name is Nassara Gassara, which caused Nassara Gassara to scroll on the screen for people who are watching.
And if you listen to our Dove of Oneness episode, you'll know that Nasara is a set of proposed economic reforms that spawned a cult-like conspiracy theory which believes that a secret law was passed, or will be passed soon, which essentially makes everyone rich.
So people who believe in Nasara think that once the existence of this law is made public or known, that all debts will be forgiven, everyone will have a ton of money, universal economic prosperity will be, you know, will be here.
Nothing about it makes sense.
It's just basically the rapture for financially desperate people.
Now, after the rally, a live chat with the Negative 48 cult members included a woman who remarked on the Nassara Gassara scrolling across the screen.
However, Michael Protzman clarified that Nassara Gassara won't become a reality until the whole world knows that the living John F. Kennedy is president and he signs it into law.
When I was watching the rally on TV, one of the things that jumped out at me was, scrolling across the bottom, was Nassara Jassara.
And that's the first time I've seen that on public TV.
Yeah.
I saw some people write up some stuff on it, like, it's actually here.
It's not here.
They're just seeing your consciousness.
It's not going to happen.
And I used to say, John, John, because I didn't want to, you know, I don't want to scare too many people off by saying JFK, but I said it a couple different times, but most of the time I would just say until John John's in your face, but I'm telling you right now, Nassara Jassara is not going to go until the whole world knows that JFK is the president, JFK Jr.
is the vice president, and he is the one that's going to sign Nassara Jassara into law.
That's when it's going to start.
You know, it'll become more law.
I'm sure there's going long before it all kicks in and takes effect and that's
when it's going to take place.
That just gave me hope that we're moving in such a good direction.
Oh we're moving in a good direction.
Nothing can stop what's coming and all bank debts are going to get wiped.
He sounds kind of rough.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, this kind of this kind of proselytizing, you know, it's it's a long game.
And I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but Michael Protzman, I mean, becoming the sort of center of a group that you are with 24-7, that you're proselytizing to 24-7, COVID's going around, nobody's vaccinated.
I mean, it's got to be exhausting.
So, after spending many hours in the Arizona sun and getting, you know, berated by Jim Watkins, eventually it came time for the event itself.
And there was a long line.
We were all, you know, sort of inspected by Secret Service.
And we finally got to the big speakers area.
And before Trump came on, there were several speakers, many of whom had some kind of QAnon connection.
The first speaker was Kelly Ward, the chair of the Arizona Republican Party.
She had an important message to convey.
She said that Trump won the 2020 election, but despite that, it was important to go out and vote.
Who won the election?
You're right, Trump won!
Trump won!
And we are here, we are gathered with our fellow patriots who believe in faith, family, and freedom, who are never going to stop, right?
We are never going to stop.
We are never going to stop fighting for what's right.
And I have to tell you this.
Please, please go out and vote.
Because in 2016, there was cheating.
But guess what?
We deplorables, we people who love this country, overwhelmed their cheating algorithm.
And we've got to do it again in 2022, 2024, and beyond.
Oh yeah, get rid of Dominion!
She wasn't the first, nor would she be the last, but she is toasty.
I think they were all, a lot of the speakers were having a drinky poo.
Yeah, yeah.
I always thought, like, you know, how do you reconcile, you know, people who believe that elections are fraudulent, but also believe that it's important to go out and vote?
And I think maybe I just underestimate their ability to have two contradictory ideas at once.
In their minds, whenever the Republicans lose, it's because of fraud.
And whenever Republicans win, there's also fraud, but somehow their votes are so powerful, it overcomes the fraud.
Yeah, so it's weird, it's bizarre, it's fucking insane.
It's insane that here, more than a year out of January 6th, we're hearing the same rhetoric that inspired that.
The same kind of belief that the democratic process is essentially wholly fraudulent and therefore basically democracy is a sham and shouldn't be trusted.
It makes me worried because we're going to see a wavy election this year and We might see more bad stuff happen this year or later because of this kind of rhetoric.
The next speaker was MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, who of course also was instrumental in spreading lies about election fraud.
Mike Lindell was in the news recently because the election software company Smartmatic filed a defamation lawsuit against him.
I read that lawsuit, and I gotta say, I'm not 100% sure that Smartmatic appreciates how genuinely radicalized Mike Lindell is.
So here's from the intro of that lawsuit.
Crazy like a fox.
Mike Lindell knows exactly what he is doing, and it is dangerous.
Mr. Lindell knows Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice
President of the United States.
He knows the election was not rigged, fixed, or stolen.
He knows voting machines did not switch votes from former President Trump to now President Biden.
These facts do not matter to Mr. Lindell because he knows he can sell.
Mr. Lindell knows he can sell xenophobia.
He knows he can sell conspiracy theory.
He knows he can sell a preconceived story about voting machines stealing democracy by stealing votes from a president who is incredibly popular with millions of Americans.
And, of course, Mr. Lindell, the MyPillowGuy, knows he needs to sell pillows to keep and increase his fortune.
Yeah, no, not, no, no way.
Crazy like a fox?
Nope, no.
Please, Jesus Christ, what?
I know.
I know.
I don't, I don't agree with the premise that I, I think that Mike Lindell is really far down the rabbit hole, really believes what he's saying and really thinks he has evidence of election fraud, even though he doesn't.
He has one of those minds that, you know, just, just only accepts evidence of what he wants to believe and does not allow evidence of what he does not want to believe.
But maybe, I mean, I'm not a lawyer, maybe they have to frame Mike Lindell's actions this way in order to have a successful suit.
I don't know.
Right.
I imagine it would be hard, you know, it's harder to prove in court of saying, well, he did all these things because he is a true believer.
You know, that would open the field for the defense to say, like, yeah, he didn't, he wasn't doing anything wrong because he really believes this stuff.
You know, it makes things messy, maybe.
Yeah, this is kind of the assumption that your enemy is powerful just because you keep losing over and over.
It's like, no, no, no, you're just so bad at this that the MyPillow guy has become a thorn in your side.
At the Trump rally, Mike Lindell said that after the events of January 6th, no one would like his posts on Facebook, which he initially interpreted as Facebook censoring him.
No one would call.
No, he's fucking calling me.
No one would call.
But I want to tell you, I'm going to take us back a year ago and why we're so much better off today.
A year ago, when that happened, after that happened and the media started attacking me, I put something on Facebook.
I thought Suckabuck was just de-platforming me, but none of my friends would like anything.
I call them, they wouldn't answer the phone.
Everybody was in fear.
So he admits that it's not actually Facebook censoring him.
6, everybody was in fear and I just kept going, I kept losing plant, you know, losing box
stores and stuff and I would, and I'm going, but we have evidence this was stole, we gotta
save our country, we were attacked.
So he admits that it's not actually Facebook censoring him, it's that, well, he believes
that people were scared to like his comments.
Yes.
I thought it was just a funny, uh, sort of, it was like, I thought that, uh, you know, I thought that, you know, Facebook Zuckabuck was like censoring me.
It turns out I was just radioactive.
Turns out like, uh, nobody would pick up my calls.
When I posted that the Labrador is my favorite kind of dog, everybody was piling in to say I'm great.
But now that I said that I ate my own feces on my lawn and enjoyed it, nobody wants to like my posts.
The next speaker was Arizona Representative Sonny Borelli.
Borelli attended the QAnon conference in Las Vegas, the Patriot Double Down.
At this event, Borelli used his time to defend Cyber Ninjas, the firm that conducted the fruitless audit in Maricopa County.
Uh, it was recently announced that Cyber Ninjas is shutting down.
Rod Thompson, a representative for Cyber Ninjas said, quote, "$2 million in debt from the Arizona audit and endless
legal and character attacks on the company by those who oppose the audit make it untenable
moving forward."
And, you know, despite that, and despite the fact that Cyber Ninjas
did not uncover the massive election changing fraud that they were hoping to find,
Sonny Braley came to the defense of Cyber Ninjas.
He also spewed nonsense, claiming that there was a conspiracy
from the Arizona Secretary of State to suppress evidence of election fraud.
The shamestream media, local and national, keeps criticizing the auditor, Cyber Ninja.
But technically, what they're doing is showing the level of contempt towards the 1,500 volunteers that did 100,000 man hours, counting every piece of paper and every ballot.
To call you a liar is despicable!
It's disrespectful!
It's disgraceful!
And you need to hold them accountable!
Folks, we're in a battle for this state and this country.
We cannot give up.
We need to stay focused.
They call this the big lie, that we conducted a fraud.
Well, technically, it's the county that conducted a fraud.
Cybersecurity.
Cyber unsecurity.
Internet history.
Deleted files.
Evidence not preserved.
Duplicate ballots.
Non-residents voted.
Conspiracy theory?
Guess what?
We proved it.
There is a conspiracy.
It's no longer a theory.
We can prove it.
It's an ongoing conspiracy of obstructionist resistance for Maricopa County and the Secretary of State's office.
My man is lit.
Yeah, yeah.
He is stumbling and slurring his words just a bit, but he's, you know, he's among his people.
I mean, at these events, the vibe is always, you know, jubilant, laced with menace.
Also speaking that day was Arizona Senator Kelly Townsend, who has occasionally posted QAnon content on her Facebook page.
She's also followed QAnon accounts on Twitter.
During her speech, she called on election workers to be locked up.
And remember, this comes from, like, you know, this comes after, like, election workers have been harassed and subject to horrific conspiracy theories about them, which, you know, led to their harassment.
And finally, election fraud.
They meant to harm us.
And maybe a little, for a little time.
But you know what we've gotten out of this?
We now know what is going on.
America's eyes are opened.
And no more are they going to be able to get away With this kind of deception, this kind of fraud and illegal activity, not only people in general, but the election workers.
We want indictments of the election workers so that they don't continue to do this.
That is, you know, I want to speak to the manager.
I want all the employees arrested.
Just fantastic.
Yeah.
You know, that's, this led to a chant of like, lock them up.
I heard a, uh, lock him up, uh, chant when talking about, um, uh, Fauci too, which, you know, it was very baffling to me because, you know, I figured after the first, you know, the really, uh, the first lock her up chant about Hillary proved to be useless.
She's very much not locked up.
She's having a good time doing fucking podcasts and shit.
And, uh, but despite that, despite that, they have not given up on believing in the power of the Lock Them Up chant.
Also speaking that evening was Arizona Representative Wendy Rogers, who called Trump the true president.
We are so blessed to have the true president, President Donald J. Trump, with us here today.
We know the election was stolen, don't we?
We know they rigged the machines, the databases, the voter rolls, the drop boxes, the county-level vote counting.
They don't even count the vote at the precinct level anymore.
Let me tell you, Arizona is a red state.
We are not turning purple.
And President Trump won.
Man, it's so depressing.
It is depressing.
At the event, I met up with the woman behind the Arizona Right Wing Watch account, and she told me that this is apparently a bit of a talking point amongst the far right in Arizona that, like, They very angrily insist that Arizona is not turning purple.
They believe it's a red state and defy some of the evidence, just as much as they defy the evidence that Trump lost.
They insist upon the reality they prefer.
You know, I think this is why people love coming to these events, because they get to angrily insist upon the reality they would prefer.
U.S.
Congressman Paul Gosar, who Regularly hangs around Extremis, was also in attendance.
One of Gosar's best buddies is Stop the Steal organizer Ali Alexander, who happened to enter this event through the VIP entrance.
So the guy who was really, again, another guy who was instrumental in helping January 6th happen, who encouraged it, who celebrated it, was welcomed by the organizers, which is fucking insane.
I don't know why.
I mean, Ali Alexander should be in hiding.
You should be afraid of authorities hounding him.
Instead, he's a VIP at this Trump event in Arizona.
But anyways, so yes, Paul Gosar's speech, he made reference to a storm.
Now, today is very apropos.
Do you feel the storm building?
It's America.
She's tired.
She's tired of having her parents told that they're not involved in their education.
They're tired of not seeing justice, where we see our men in blue and our military being disrespected and disregarded.
That storm continues to build.
When we see the long lines, the empty shelves, and the lack of respect for those who are governed, you, I think it's harder and harder for him to deny that he has, um, some like physical issues.
Uh, there's been a few rumors about his health.
Either he is very, very drunk or, or he is showing some symptoms, uh, of, um, Yeah, a physical issue, but he's been denying it.
A lot of people noticed that he is very twitchy, he's stumbling over his words, his neck is sort of rolling around on his body.
So he's very, very strange.
Some people have been speculating he's been suffering from some kind of degenerative disease or something, some sort of neurological condition possibly.
But yeah, his behavior was very strange.
Oh, we can't do that.
We can't, we can't diagnose.
You're right.
Right.
I don't know.
This is like, this is.
No, we can't.
But if we, but if we don't admit that there's something to those rumors, we'd have to say that this man is blackout drunk.
Right.
Possibly.
We don't know.
We don't know.
Listen, listen.
He may have had a few before he started speaking.
We are not doctors.
Don't take medical advice from us.
We have no idea what the hell he's talking about.
I don't like it when people start speculating wildly about health.
But yeah, his behavior is a little weird.
The report is that there are rumors swirling.
We're not trying to speculate.
I'm just mentioning that there has been speculation and that when I was saying on my stream watching this that this man is blackout drunk, people were like, well, there's maybe this other explanation.
And, you know, I'm going to say that that's another credible possibility.
The last speaker before Trump was Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kerry Lake, and Kerry Lake was very much supported by Michael Protzman of the Negative 48 cult.
In fact, during a live chat, Protzman claimed that Kerry Lake was endorsed by JFK himself, which means Trump, who I guess is JFK in disguise, endorsed Kerry Lake.
I do want to say that Carrie Lake strikes me as an insanely competent potential figurehead for the MAGA movement of the future.
She's very poised, and she has a background in local TV journalism, so she has that media experience.
Yeah, so she is a possible future superstar.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah, she's kind of Taylor Greene without the baggage, with more self-control and poise, and watching her speak, you know, speaking for myself, I definitely could see that her becoming a bigger issue.
The future governor of Arizona, she gave her speech, and before she gave her speech, they showed a news clip of her talking to prostitutes and, you know, swamp monsters, and she is the real deal.
I mean, If she was running in my state, I'd vote for her hands down.
And of course she's, you know, Trump endorsed.
And JFK endorsed.
So she's the real deal.
So she was a hammer.
I mean, you gotta go watch the tape before she speaks and realize she is speaking truth.
When people speak truth, it's just mind-blowing and really beautiful to see.
And so she spoke, but then once JFK A.K.A.
Trump got up there.
He invited her up again.
Why?
So you could see how tall she was in relation to Trump.
And it didn't add up.
So everything has a reason and a purpose.
And that's why he invited her back up.
Because she already came up and she already gave her big speech.
And was already featured in a little movie clip before she ever came up.
He brought her up again just so you could see how tall he was in relationship to how tall she is.
You could tell it wasn't Trump.
I mean, it's hard to keep up, but at this point, he's just saying Trump is JFK?
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I don't fucking know.
I mean, the story, the negative 48 Michael Prosper story is ever shifting.
Yeah, JFK a.k.a.
Trump.
They are no longer two people, they are one.
Trump stepped into a machine and a fly with the head of John F. Kennedy Jr.
also flew in at the same time and they step out You know, a combined DNA, you know, amalgamation that at first is incredibly powerful.
It can walk on walls.
It can, you know, it can digest its food externally before eating it.
But eventually, eventually, you know, the shoe's going to drop and that creature will melt over the course of the film.
Finally, it came time for Trump himself to speak.
Now, I kind of assumed that there would be a speaker immediately before Trump came on, but in reality, Trump came on to speak about 45 or like 50 minutes after Carrie Lake was done speaking.
In the meantime, there was just this long string of classic pop hits playing by artists such as Dolly Parton, the Village People, and Elton John.
However, right before Trump came on the stage, the speakers played the theme song for the legendary professional wrestler, The Undertaker.
So this is actual audio captured from the rally.
[Music]
That is a fucking funeral dirt.
Incredible.
It's so weird.
Yeah.
Weird.
Like, yeah.
Uh, just graveyard bells ringing.
Um, I mean, I suppose it's kind of tracks for Trump.
He is in the WWE hall of fame and you know, he, I, his, uh, his appeal might be explained in the same way that, you know, uh, professional wrestling is appealing.
We do the mash.
We do the Trumpster mash.
Right.
So in that Trump spoke, and I'm not going to play any of his speech because honestly, fuck him.
And it's the same shit all the time.
Just grievances and just rambled on for an hour and a half or longer.
Um, what I thought was interesting though, is that like, I noticed that people started filing out of the venue, like half an hour into Trump was speaking, like Trump supporters.
They were like, all right, we got here.
We saw him speak.
We saw him do some of his bits.
And now I'm ready to go back to my car.
Well, a lot of them were probably dehydrated and had been waiting in lines on their feet for hours.
Yes.
For no apparent reason.
Yeah, yeah.
So some attendees of the event were apparently under the impression that Trump was really a body double.
But in fact, during a live chat after the event, Ron Watkins fielded a question about the issue and he tried to dispel the myth.
Everybody was thinking that Trump really wasn't at the rally, that it was a body double.
What are people, what are people's thoughts on that?
I was at the rally and I saw Trump and I, it's not a body double.
That was actually him. 100%.
Thank you, Ron.
Okay, end of discussion.
Please stop bringing this up.
Please stop mentioning the body double issue.
Oh, man.
But yeah, that was basically my experience.
I spoke to some QAnon followers.
I got yelled at by Jim Watkins, and I saw a string of QAnon Connected speakers push absolute nonsense about the 2020 election that will continue to erode democracy and probably fuel violence in the near future.
Are you looking to get punched?
What I mean by that is, thank you for your service, superstar.
Well, it was my pleasure.
It was a good time.
Thank you for your support so I can continue to get berated in public.
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It's not a conspiracy.
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And now, today's auto-tune.
Ron Watkins going on Tom Numbers' show, What Gives.
Yeah, I don't know.
I love Ron.
I love Ron and Jim.
I don't know about their judge of character.
At least Ron's.
Good old Tom Numbers.
Ha ha ha.
Shit.
I'll start worrying about Ron if I see him on a Charles Ward interview.
