Terror networks, in-fighting and arrests — we catch up on Neo Naziism in 2020 America with Molly Conger (http://twitter.com/socialistdogmom), a community reporter based out of Charlottesville, VA who has followed them through court proceedings and frequently protested their rallies.
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Welcome, listener, to the 76th chapter of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Neo-Nazis in 2020 America episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Julian Fields and Travis View.
This week, we are checking in with the Neo-Nazis operating in America today.
How are they doing?
Well, they're, you know...
Good?
No, well, they're peeved, as they usually are.
Little Earth.
Modern Nazis.
Yeah, they're pissed.
They're pissed.
They're not happy people.
Nazis?
Very mad online.
Very mad.
They're the maddest online.
A fun task for which we've enlisted the help of Molly Conger, an anti-fascist activist
and community reporter based in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Some of you probably know her as Socialist Dog Mom on Twitter.
She has two fantastic sausage dogs, if I may say so myself.
Before we speak to her, the podcast will be exploring The Base, a contemporary neo-Nazi network whose leader was publicly identified very recently.
Unsurprisingly, the guy who went by Norman Spear and Roman Wolf online was, in fact, just another Fredo called Rinaldo Nazaro, so we will be doing anti-Italian American tropes at him, and that's because Jake is not here, so we can't do Jewish tropes at Jake!
So, what are we supposed to do?
So we have to find some other non-Western Europeans.
If you look at the history of the Italians, they've really suffered greatly.
People dislike them greatly.
But before all that... First up, I have QAnon YouTuber Jordan Sather spreads misinformation about the coronavirus outbreak.
There goes our boy.
I know.
God, he's special.
I wouldn't mind Jordan Sather so much if he just stuck with like the space cadet shit.
Aliens, whatever.
Once he starts getting into like the health shit, the bleach drinking, That's dangerous, you know?
I wouldn't mind him if he was, like, driving on the highway and, like, a little tiny piece of, uh, a rock would fly up from the back of a Mack truck and somehow get through his vent system and then go through, like, just the center of his face.
Don't want that.
Don't want that.
We don't want that.
But if that happened...
So the background of the story is that a newly identified coronavirus has been spreading in China and it now has reached several other countries.
As of this recording, there have been 1975 reported individuals in China who have been infected with the virus.
This has led to a total of 56 reported deaths.
All but three were outside the city of Wuhan where the virus originated.
So this is certainly a public health emergency within China.
But so far, the World Health Organization has declined to declare it a world health emergency, citing the lack of evidence of human to human transmission outside of China.
In a string of tweets, Jordan Sather spun a deeply confused and false conspiracy theory that insinuated that the spread of the disease was planned.
The new fad disease called the, quote, coronavirus is sweeping headlines.
Funnily enough, there was a patent for the coronavirus, was filed in 2015 and granted in 2018.
This assignee of this patent was the government-funded Peer Bright Institute out of the UK.
And would you look at that?
Some of their major funders are the World Health Organization and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Was the release of this disease planned?
Is the media being used to incite fear around it?
Is the cabal desperate for money so they're tapping their big pharma reserves?
Are there vaccines already being manufactured to, quote, fight this?
Coordinated all along?
Question mark?
It seems like it's a Q drop.
Yeah, it is.
It's like just asking questions.
As always, the cabal is always all-powerful and also desperate and weak and on the ropes.
That's right.
Sather's conspiracy references a 2015 patent filed by the Peer Bright Institute in Surrey, England.
One of the many problems is that the patent was for the development of a vaccine to prevent respiratory diseases in birds, not humans.
Coronavirus refers to a family of viruses, which include the common cold.
So this particular virus that's causing this outbreak has never been seen before.
So it's being called 2019-nCoV, or novel coronavirus.
So no, despite the thousands of retweets Sather got for his misinformation, he is wrong, and there was not a patent filed for the coronavirus, and there's no evidence to suggest that this outbreak was planned or anything like that.
Have we considered that Sathor is a bird?
Well, this is possible.
Because that would make the news pretty dramatic for his species.
A spiritual bird, maybe.
I don't know.
Of course, we also have new Qdrops this week.
And after a log absence, after weeks of silence, finally we've got some fresh material to work with.
Yeah, Jake is so excited he couldn't attend.
Couldn't attend to celebrate with us.
Yeah, we don't let him on when it's just going to be one continual screech.
So, uh, one Q drop just consisted just of a link to the Wikipedia page for state funerals.
That's just, just, just, just a link is his Q. Merriam-Webster defines treason as... I know, it's so fucking lazy.
Lazy fuck.
So, this got the QAnon community very excited because they thought that Q was predicting some sort of high-profile death.
For example, one QAnon follower tweeted this.
Hmm...
State funerals, you say?
Is something about to be memorialized?
Ginsburg?
Carter?
Someone unexpected?
Guess we should watch the news, eh?
Hashtag TikTok.
Hashtag QAnon.
So, obviously, Q linking to the Wikipedia page is a pretty basic Nostradamus-style vague prediction.
I'm going to tell you what's going to happen, because I've seen it over and over again.
So, what's going to happen is that there's going to be a state funeral in 2020, this year.
And the reason I know that is that there is a state funeral every year.
In 2019, there was a state funeral for Congressman Elijah Cummings.
In 2018, there were state funerals for John McCain and George Bush.
In 2017, Russia had a state funeral for their Lieutenant General Valeriy Aspirov.
And remember, Q didn't specify that there was going to be a state funeral in the United States because Q didn't specify Anything at all.
That's the sort of the trick to making these vague predictions.
You keep them as open-ended as possible.
This tells me that even when Q is right, you don't give him the credit.
No, because Q... How is he supposed to impress you?
Because there's no being right.
Because predictions have to be concrete and specific, you know?
Q never does that.
Well, you think they should be, but I don't think they have to be, Travis.
They have to be if you want to count them as prediction.
Just cold reading bullshit.
Again, semantics.
You could just define it as a prediction done.
So here's what's going to happen.
So sometime in the future, after there's inevitably some sort of news event involving a state funeral, QAnon followers will point to that QDrop and baselessly claim that Anons knew what was going to happen all along, when in reality, they knew nothing.
This is why QAnon is addictive to some people.
It gives them the feeling of having insider knowledge or being connected to someone who has insider knowledge, despite the fact that all they're doing is falling for the same kind of cold reading tricks that a tarot card reader uses.
Owned!
Oh yeah, by the way, I also want to mention that the QAnon community also reacted to the brand Planters Peanuts announcing that their mascot, Mr. Peanut, has died.
It's very sad.
It is very sad when brand mascots die.
It's incredible that Tony the Tiger choked him to death.
So they thought that Mr. Peanut was really a secret message about the imminent death, or perhaps already death, of former President Jimmy Carter.
Here's what one QAnon follower said.
Cue hints to a state funeral.
Mr. Peanut.
Had to die this week.
Jimmy Carter's family had a peanut growing business.
Could this be the Cabal's comms that Carter is on his way out?
First Bush Senior, next Carter.
So the Cabal contacted a peanut company to kill off its mascot so that they could...
Wink to the public that they're going to actually kill Jimmy Carter or they're or they're the cabal Communicating with other there's this weird belief in the in the QAnon world that the cabal doesn't have a group DM, right?
They have to communicate publicly using special codes for some reason Yeah Coincidentally every single person who believes this has once been in the hospital to remove a peanut from their ear that they jammed in there In another Q-drop, Q repeated Trump's exchange with reporters in October of 2017 that gave rise to the phrase, the storm, within QAnon.
Here's what that Q-drop says.
What storm, Mr. President?
You'll see.
So, a big problem with this is that in that exchange, Trump didn't say, you'll see, during that press conference.
Trump said, you'll find out.
Right.
What's the storm, Mr. President?
You'll find out.
Give us a hint in your eyes.
On ISIS?
Thank you, everybody.
So I'm not saying that Q's getting lazy, but I'm saying that apparently I know Q lore better than Q does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Apparently, apparently.
No, no, that's true, and it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Gotcha.
No, no.
It reflects more poorly on me than it does on Q. This is not gonna work.
Alright, fine.
If I'm more pendactic, excuse me, Mr. Q. So this is all this project is.
This is me taking my nerdy bullshit and then applying it to QAnon.
Yeah, yeah.
Q makes low-intent art and you go and you analyze it for, like, a whole paper.
Well, well, that sounds... When you put it like that, Julian, I sound really owned.
Listen, academia needs you.
We need more people like you.
Despite how dangerous QAnon can sometimes be, talking about it can be fun because it's like the wacky sort of funhouse of the far right, you know.
They have crazy theories, and most QAnon followers are basically harmless.
Yeah.
And it's fine.
But today, I'm going to be talking about the base, which is really, really not that at all.
Yeah.
It's really more the dark, violent, nihilistic faction of the far right.
So just a heads up, we will be talking about murderous Nazis in this episode.
Damn.
Everybody, stop the episode, go watch Green Room, and then come back, and you'll be in the mood.
You're right.
So, um, the BASE is a militant neo-Nazi network founded in mid-2018 by a 46-year-old man whose
real name is Rinaldo Nazaro.
Nazaro operated online under the pseudonyms Norman Spear and Roman Wolf, but his true name and identity were revealed just this last week by reporter Jason Wilson for The Guardian.
For the past two years, Nazaro has been directing the base from Russia, where he lives with his wife.
Last year, Nazaro was listed as a guest at a Russian government security exhibition in Moscow, which, quote, focused on the demonstration of results of state policy and achievements.
So he might be just kind of one of these organizations caught in the wider web of like Sirkov's fund everybody thing?
Yeah.
Just to cause chaos?
Yeah.
There's obviously some weird geopolitics element to whatever Nazaro is doing.
I don't know exactly.
But yeah, it does sound like he has some sort of international help.
Yeah.
Ronaldo Nazaro launched the base in an effort to unify online fascists into a network for training new soldiers because they expect a forthcoming race war.
On a radio program, Nazaro once described the base as kind of like a nationalist survivalist LinkedIn type of thing.
Which is great advertising for LinkedIn.
The base also takes the stance of being Pro-Hitler.
Which is, yeah.
Hotly debated.
On June 10th, 2018, Nazzaro, under the name Norman Speer, tweeted,
Führer, you were only the beginning.
We will finish what you started.
It's not over yet.
We carry the torch.
So that, in case there's any ambiguity at all what these people are about.
Well, he thinks he's in a relay race with Hitler.
He's a track and field guy?
Well, the base subscribes to a white nationalist strategy known as accelerationism.
This is rooted in the belief that the only way to establish the white ethnostate that they want
is by employing any means necessary to expedite the collapse of the current system.
Accelerationist tactics include sabotaging infrastructure and acts of violence against
innocent people.
To be clear though, accelerationism doesn't solely refer to this, right?
No, no, no, no, no.
Accelerationism has different meanings depending upon the context.
But when we're talking about white nationalists... Okay, within, yeah, alright.
Within white nationalists, accelerationism basically means...
Let's get it there.
Let's spark a civil war.
Let's cause chaos, destruction, and ruin.
And from that ruin, they want to basically rise up their ethnostate.
Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the Moss Massacres that killed 50 people in New Zealand, subscribed to Accelerationism.
you have this amazing shit you look in the back and you're like oh CIA CIA been been there.
Brenton Terrett the perpetrator of the moss massacres that killed 50 people in New Zealand
subscribed to accelerationism. In fact in Terrent's manifesto there is a subheader titled
destabilization and accelerationism tactics for victory. So I mean these are like the kinds of
people who think that the tactics of other white supremacists or even the alt-right are weak and
Yeah.
These are the people who are like, you know, oh, Spencer, he's like, ah, he's not doing enough.
Right.
These are not the kind of guys who spend their time saying Antifa throws milkshakes with cement.
No, no.
They're way too busy planning actual cement milkshakes of their own.
In November of 2018, Vice News reported on the base's recruitment process and online operations.
Here's a section from the article headlined, Neonazis are organizing secretive paramilitary training across America.
The application form on the BASE website includes questions as to what neo-nazi or pro-white group potential members represent and what their quote military and science and engineering training experience has been.
It accepts applications with pseudonyms or aliases, but does ask for the individual's race and gender.
Yeah.
Not surprising.
A potential recruit would submit the application form via a WordPress site, which is then vetted by The Base.
If accepted, the user will be invited into a chat server operated by Riot, an open-source operating system used for secure messaging.
Users can also be directly invited into the Riot server by an existing member.
From this chat server, the recruit will be vetted once more.
In The Base's private chat, users will see eight channels.
A main discussion room, known as Imperium, Fuck, they're LARPing bastards!
In addition to small dedicated channels for self-defense, books, music, activity reports, trainers, survivalism, and the user's locale.
A link at the top of the library page brings users to a mega-upload link filled with PDF copies of books.
Within this digital archive, there are 20 sections including guerrilla warfare tactics, gunsmithing literature, survival tactics, military tradecraft, and weapons handling.
Kind of like our Discord, I guess.
Within those sections are downloadable manuals, some with as few as three, Tradecraft, and others with as many as 28, Gunsmithing.
Perhaps the most disturbing is the weapons section, which features manuals on how to create explosives and chemical weapons.
These aren't all homemade, they've been pulled from Gunsmithing magazines, military handbooks, online blogs, and so on.
The source material is as varied as the subject matter.
The base claims an international operation with cells and activity worldwide, notably in Connecticut, Georgia, Los Angeles, Massachusetts, Michigan, Milwaukee, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, and Minnesota, as well as international locations including Australia, Canada, and South Africa.
Nassaro, posting under the name Norman Lear, justified the base Violent Tactics in a Gab post on June 17th, 2018.
It's only terrorism if we lose.
If we win, we get statues of us put up in parks.
In addition to online propaganda, the base also attempts to attract new members through leafleting.
In August 2019, recruitment flyers for the base were found throughout Winnipeg, Canada.
In November 2019, the New England cell of the base boasted about leafleting in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.
Also in November 2019, propaganda associated with the base was reportedly seen in downtown Phoenix.
The materials read, save your race, join the base.
The base, unsurprisingly, also subscribes to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and therefore specifically targets Jews.
In November of 2019, federal authorities arrested 18-year-old Brooklyn, New Jersey native Richard Tobin, who had ties to the base.
Tobin allegedly stated that he orchestrated a multi-state vandalism campaign dubbed Operation Kristallnacht.
This is a reference to the 1938 Nazi pogrom in Germany, which sparked a targeted effort to damage Jewish property throughout the country.
According to officials, Tobin admitted to helping coordinate the targeting of two synagogues in Hancock, Michigan and Racine, Wisconsin.
They were vandalized with anti-Semitic graffiti, including swastikas, other Nazi imagery, and the base logo.
Which, bad OPSEC, I guess.
Unless, well, obviously, I guess the goal was to intimidate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
More recently, in the days leading up to a January 21st, 2020 gun rights rally in Virginia, law enforcement officials arrested seven total members of the base.
Three of those men arrested in Maryland are accused of planning to open fire at the rally.
An additional three are accused of planning to murder a couple in Georgia for their supposed
involvement with Antifa. The seventh man was arrested for allegedly vandalizing a synagogue
in Wisconsin. In December, the FBI obtained a court order allowing them to bug the residents
of the three suspects who allegedly planned to commit violence at the gun rally with microphones
and cameras. According to court documents, one of those suspects, Brian M. Lemley Jr., who's 33 years
said this.
You know, we got the situation in Virginia where this is going to be that opportunity is boundless.
The thing is, you've got tons of guys who are just in theory should be radicalized enough to know that all you got to do is start making things go wrong.
And if Virginia can spiral out to a fucking full blown civil war.
So their goal is to find hot spots of potential conflict and then inflame them as much as possible.
Nice.
Lemley also talked about attaching a thermal imaging scope to his rifle to conduct ambush attacks against civilians and police officers.
Court papers charge that two of those arrested, Patrick J. Matthews, 27 years old, and Lemley, used gun parts to make a functioning assault rifle.
After practicing with the illegal firearm on the gun range, the FBI allegedly recorded Lemley telling Matthews, oops, it looks like I accidentally made a machine gun and noted that they would be in trouble if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives found out about the weapon.
that currently face federal gun charges.
An FBI affidavit also says that they found several videos of Matthews in a gas mask
where he discussed killing people in furtherance of the movement.
Matthews allegedly said this in the video.
If you are not getting physically fit, if you are not getting armed,
if you do not acquiring weapons, ammunition, and training right,
now then you should be preparing to do what needs to be done.
Derail some trains, kill some people, and poison some water supplies.
Boy, I hope no one takes these recordings of you saying these things, Julian, and puts them out of context.
Uh, well, I mean, no one would believe I would construct my sentences like this.
Just aesthetically.
Sure, sure, you do these things, but you phrase it much more eloquently.
What is this, a faux-naif?
The youngest defendant of the arrest, William Bilbrow, appeared to take pride in the base's stature as a terrorist organization, allegedly making statements that compared the base favorably to Al-Qaeda.
He also allegedly told other base members that, quote, ISIS doesn't compare to us in the sense that we are more violent, more powerful, more effective than ISIS, which... That's right.
I don't know.
ISIS is...
The three members of the base arrested in Georgia are identified as Austin Lane, Michael Helterbrand, and Jacob Caderly.
According to a police affidavit, the arrests came after an undercover FBI agent infiltrated the group and participated in shooting drills.
The drills were being done in preparation for what they believe is an impending collapse of the United States and ensuing race war.
The affidavit describes a detailed plan for members of the base to kill a husband and wife explicitly because they engage in anti-fascist activities.
The affidavit claims that one unnamed member of the base said, quote, any engagement in anti-fascist activity will carry the death penalty.
The affidavit also says that Caderly did that thing where they say, oh, call me a Nazi, will you?
Where I guess I'll just be a Nazi then.
This is a direct quote from the affidavit.
You call them neo-Nazi terrorists enough, they'll eventually show you what a neo-Nazi terrorist is.
Damn, yeah.
That happens to me too.
Just take some responsibility.
It's still bad, but at least be like, oh, you made me be a Nazi terrorist?
What the fuck?
So, the affidavit states that Lane, Caderly, and the undercover agent drove to the couple's home in Bartow County to scope it out.
After checking out the property and surrounding neighborhood, Lane suggested using a sledgehammer as a way of breaching the door, then killing the two people with revolvers.
Lane discussed renting a cheap motel room after the killings to shower in order to remove any dead skin.
Lane also suggested using Vaseline on their eyebrows and eyelashes to prevent leaving any evidence.
Does that work?
Is that a thing?
Yeah, you have to also put it on your asshole, though.
Gotcha.
You have to be completely lubed up.
Smooth and lubricated, head to toe.
A nude, human-sized worm squirming your way through people's homes to murder them for being Antifa or Jewish or whatever.
That's the only way to do real Nazism.
So, what do you think?
The three men currently face charges of conspiracy to commit murder and participating in a criminal street gang.
So these guys are just texting each other, hey, you want to do murders?
Yes.
How should we do murders?
Also, they also let an FBI agent into their group to talk about committing murders right in front of them.
You kind of take what you get when you're a Nazi.
I guess so.
Whoever believes what you believe.
Seemingly in response to The Base's founder being doxxed and the recent string of arrests, The Base's Telegram channel changed its name to The Base is a Honey Pot.
Whoever operates the account also posted a bunch of memes making fun of the founder, Nazaro, including a meme of Nazaro's face put on the This is Fine dog with the flames all around him.
So the idea is that the world's getting more Jewish and the dog's not taking any action or what?
What's the fire in this?
I think it's more like the base is being, I guess, infiltrated and dismantled.
And he's not reacting.
He's not helping, I guess.
So at this point, all this obviously just broke in the past week or two.
And obviously the future of the base is uncertain at this moment.
But I have to imagine that the base, because it's been infiltrated by the FBI and anti-fascist organizers, that it's probably toxic to other fascists right now.
They think that they want to do their murderous planning without being spied on.
It's cool, though, that we have to, like, live in fear from groups like this that are essentially, you know, like what boys do during that phase where they hate girls and they're like, what's a secret club?
It's gonna be called The Base.
Secret handshake.
And then we have to, like, look out because they're actually just Nazis who want to kill people now.
Yeah, that's not ideal, certainly.
Someone find these guys a treehouse in the middle of the ocean.
Right, yeah, exactly.
No girls allowed sign, secret handshake.
Like a New Yorker cartoon style abandoned island.
They can go camping in the woods for fun.
Go hang a fucking hammock between one tree.
Yeah, just chill.
Weed's legal most places, man.
Have you tried to fit yourself entirely into your toilet?
Well, yeah, the bass is terrifying.
It's great.
I'm very excited to see their first movie.
First album drop, whatever.
They're a brand.
If they can realize they're a brand a little earlier, then everyone going to jail.
Oh, yeah.
Obviously, modern Nazis, I think, do realize they're a brand.
That's why they put out, for example, photographs of themselves wearing masks out in the woods to make them look badass and stuff.
That's right.
They really are the sort of like the LARPers in the sense that they are sort of like, you know They're they're out the woods like like, you know people who you know, bash each other with like foam swords and stuff.
That's right.
So Yeah, yeah, it's uh Scary and good.
Scary and, well, not good.
No, it's positive.
Positive development.
These people, Ronaldo seems cool.
Yeah.
Dope.
Possible foreign agent?
What the fuck is this weird Russia shit?
I don't know.
It's all a nightmare.
Yeah.
I can't, I, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, there's obviously some, I don't know.
I can't figure it out.
We need someone who knows more about this.
And guess what?
We have just that.
Oh boy.
She is an anti-fascist activist and community reporter based out of Charlottesville, Virginia.
Welcome to the podcast.
Hey guys, how's it going?
It's going really good.
Not too bad at all.
So we wanted to talk a little bit about fascists.
City obviously became the focus of public attention after right-wing extremists held their August 2017 Unite the Right rally there.
It saw the tragic murder of protester Heather Heyer, who was struck by a car driven by James Alex Fields Jr.
He was found guilty of first-degree murder and nine other counts in December of 2018.
He is currently serving life in jail.
You were in attendance that day, but before we touch on that, I'd like to begin the interview by rewinding a little bit.
What first got you interested in local politics and anti-fascism?
I actually didn't start attending city government meetings until after Unite the Right.
I had a lot of questions about how that had been allowed to happen.
I think up until the summer of 2017, I was just a regular person.
I'm a program manager at a small tech company and that summer I actually lost my job for what my boss told me in my official termination paperwork.
Failure to be positive at all times.
So suddenly I had a lot of free time.
Goddamn.
Yeah, it's a right to work state.
But you know, I had a lot of free time and I was very confused about how this had been allowed to happen.
And so I started going to city council meetings and just to sort of figure out what the fuck was going on in my city.
Because I had been pretty disconnected up until that point.
Yeah, you cover the city council meetings pretty in depth.
Is there a reason that you kind of expose that process on Twitter?
Do you think people should be more involved locally?
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's just a millennial thing, right?
You know, I started going to those meetings during a pretty turbulent time.
So I started posting just about like, you know, people were being arrested, people were being dragged out of chambers by cops who were screaming and standing on the dais and holding posters.
And like, it was it was very dramatic.
And so that's the kind of thing.
Millennials post about.
But as things sort of died down and got back to the business as usual, they got back to governing a city again, it was something that I had become interested in.
So I kept going and I kept posting and I'll never log off.
It is weird to me that I've spent two and a half years now essentially just live tweeting meeting minutes.
And these meetings are sometimes like six, eight hours long.
I've tricked almost 50,000 people into reading Meeting Minutes.
But I think it's, you know, the specificity of this story, I think, is interesting to people because it plays out in cities all over the place.
And I think this is something that other people can get involved in where they live.
Yeah.
And guess what?
You get a colorful cast of characters.
I know that one of the things I love about your posts is that you find out about, for example, a group of older women who dress in all green and come and sing songs.
The Green Grannies!
Yeah, they rule!
Yeah, so stuff like that.
I mean, you know, it's that flora, that fauna is present in every local council, I'm sure.
So people should get more involved just for the fun of it.
Oh, it's like it's a whole cast of characters.
It's like a telenovela, I think, for some people who read along at home.
You know, people have no connection to this place.
There's this rich cast of characters and all these, you know, petty boardroom tyrants and personal beefs.
And like, you know, we have a towing commission, like a small There are 60 boards and commissions in the city of Charlottesville.
Our city government is vast and the bureaucracy is deep and murky, but the towing commission has a towing That's right.
representative on it and I was thinking like, well that's so shady like he could
be you know double dealing and you know sending business his own way but actually
I fucking love it this guy he owns a towing company that isn't the company
that has the city contract so he's all about like audits and rules because he's
just trying to fuck over a competitor and I live for this shit I love it
that's right if you like Game of Thrones you're gonna love local politics
But there's been, like, court cases basically since the original Unite the Right rally.
So even if you're not following, you know, like, local Charlottesville stuff, you could pretty much just be, like, watching this TV show non-stop these days.
I mean, for someone who hasn't been following closely, can you give us, like, just a quick overview of the developments until, say, like, end 2019?
I know this is very, very open-ended question.
So I'll preface this by saying I am not a lawyer.
I studied German in college, much to my parents' chagrin.
You know, it's a super marketable skill, especially since I don't even speak German anymore.
But I've spent the last two and a half years following what is Feeling like an endless stream of court cases.
You know, at first it was just the criminal cases.
Richard Preston, the Klan wizard who fired his gun at Cory Long while screaming, die N-word.
He's in jail.
Alex Ramos, Daniel Borden, Jacob Goodwin are all in jail for assaulting DeAndre Harris.
And obviously James Fields is in jail.
And I covered all of these cases from the very beginning to the end.
Pre-trial motions all the way through their sentencing hearings.
And those are all wrapped up.
All the criminal cases for identified individuals have been wrapped up.
There's some appeals ongoing.
Fields is appealing his state conviction.
And I know that sounds fucking insane.
Like he did it.
He admitted that he did it.
I don't know how much, like, law talk people are interested in, but Fields was actually convicted by both the Commonwealth of Virginia and the federal government.
He was charged in two different jurisdictions.
And so the state case went to trial and he was convicted, but he pleaded guilty to the federal charges, which was 29 counts, including hate crime charges.
So he's appealing the state conviction.
And I think the rationale there is he may be eligible for compassionate release when he's very, very old.
Right.
So if he can get the state charges appealed or lessened in some way, it's possible that he could get out when he's like 70 years old.
I doubt it.
Because the state charges, they agreed to plead guilty in that case in exchange for not for taking the chair off the table.
Right.
Basically saying he won't he won't die.
He was convicted by the state, but the federal hate crime murder was a capital charge, and so he pleaded guilty to the federal government in exchange for not being executed.
Right.
So we get all these criminal cases, and those were a fascinating drama, because a lot of these guys couldn't get good lawyers.
So if you've been following along at home, you may be familiar with Elmer Woodard.
Imagine if, like, Foghorn Leghorn were a Klansman and also a country lawyer.
Oh my god.
He is a real treat.
So, you know, he represented some of these guys.
And so it's just this, you know, it's traumatic and horrifying, like what these cases represent, what they came out of is awful.
But it is this stupid soap opera.
At Richard Preston's sentencing hearing, he brought Daryl Davis.
He is a de-radicalization expert who claims to have I've gotten like 200 Klansmen out of the movement or something.
Forgive my skepticism.
You know, he put this guy on the stand and he showed the judge a scrapbook about their visit to the African American History Museum and in all the pictures Preston is still wearing like a Confederate flag do-rag.
Yeah, leave that at home, you know?
Just like show the judge your fucking scrapbook.
Yeah, they can't help it.
And of course, although it is incredibly stupid, anybody who looks into this and covers it receives a massive amount of harassment and you obviously have not been spared.
You know, the people you cover and organize against are aggressive and petty and vindictive in general, it seems like.
And there was a guy called Daniel McMahon known as Jack Corbin, that recent development surrounding him.
Could you tell us about that?
Oh, Jack.
Jack, Jack, Jack.
So Jack Corbin, whose real name is Daniel McMahon, was a Florida man who lived with his parents.
He is in federal custody now.
So Jack first came into sort of, I guess, I wouldn't say prominence, but he became known online in the wake of Unite the Right.
He did not attend.
He was home at his parents' house.
But he circulated this list that he sort of took credit for.
It was a list of like 800 some names of people who attended Unite the Right on On the good side, this list was scraped from Twitter data from an event.
So these are just like people who live in the area who RSVP'd and then there were some sort of manual additions to the list of like prominent anti-fascists and just like random people.
And so he took credit for this list and he had this reputation as a master doxer.
And he was just a one-man harassment machine.
And he was, you know, exposing people's personal information that he had scraped from other sources.
And he was a big fan of my work.
Yeah, Jack and I exchanged verbal blows for, God, like two years before he finally got arrested for election interference, of all things.
Right.
Which is a federal crime.
So a local person was running, had announced a run for city council.
He's a black church deacon.
Had announced that he was running for city council and Jack posted that you know You better drop out of this race or else like I'll use diversity of tactics against you It was like encouraging people to to harass and harm him right which is a crime So he was arrested in September and that I'm really looking forward to that trial.
I'm I'm gonna love that It stings a little bit that people who harass me keep getting arrested for harassing other people.
Yeah.
But I'll take what I can get.
So is this Jack Corbin related to the other noted anti-Semite Jeremy Corbin?
No, this is Corbyn with an I. So you recently attended a Second Amendment rally in Richmond that was, I guess, went off mostly peacefully.
And in the aftermath, some sort of information leaked about a planned attack on your specific group of protesters.
Can you tell us what happened there?
It was a sort of a surreal day.
Urged people to stay away because of the potential for mass violence.
And I, you know, as peacefully as it went, I don't regret that.
I still think it was the right choice.
Obviously, we knew days ahead of the rally that those members of the base had been arrested for planning a mass shooting.
But honestly, even more likely than another cell of the base committing an act of violence was just that one of these fucking idiots would drop his gun and it would go off in the crowd and everyone would panic.
You know, it's just like it was not a good environment.
They got a lot of credit from the mainstream media for it being peaceful, but that was
pure luck.
It was pure luck that there was no violence.
There were no shortage of people there looking for violence.
There were proud boys.
I saw a guy in a, you know, kitted out like he was about to go patrol around Fallujah,
but he had on his bulletproof vest a badge that said slash K, you know, the weapons board
on 4chan.
Right.
I also saw one person who had a rifle they were propping up barrel first with their toes, like on their boot.
And then I saw someone else who had tied her assault rifle to her dog.
And, you know, I think Robert Evans took some photos of, like, a guy who had his shotgun in the water bottle holder on the side of his backpack.
That's not a hydro flask!
God damn it, man.
I mean, you'd think the barrier for entry is not like, you know, having an Amazon account and knowing how to order.
I don't... Jesus Christ.
You know, in line for the port-a-potties, like BCDL paid to have these port-a-potties set up in the streets, and so there's all these dudes, like, kitted out in their battle gear, waiting in line for the port-a-potty, like, handing their assault rifles to their buddy to hold it while they piss, and they're just sweeping the crowd with the barrels.
Oh, beautiful stuff.
And then you have Alex Jones driving by on a tank just with a megaphone screaming.
Branded with Infowars.
Just a great event.
I've never run so fast in my life than when I heard that he was a few blocks away.
I ran to see that tank.
I loved it.
I loved every second of it.
You know, it's surreal to like to be in this situation where like, you know, I have an armed bodyguard so that I can post safely.
And it's just these, it's just 22,000 people.
The streets are full of just morons with guns.
And, you know, you could sort of acknowledge to yourself, maybe I'll die.
Like I left a will with my dog sitter, but everything is so absurd and over the top that it was, it was like some kind of carnival.
Yeah.
I mean, I saw a couple of QAnon flags, not, not a ton.
You know, I stopped to take a picture of a guy with a Q flag and this, um, you know, this guy in his battle gear behind me, this, this battle boomer.
Stopped me while I was taking the picture and he said, what flag is that?
And I said, oh, it's it's QAnon.
He said, oh, you know, I'm getting a little older.
I don't I don't.
Oh, man.
Getting out of touch.
Don't even know about Q. What kind of Nazi?
What kind of neo-Nazi are you?
Oh, God.
Speaking of, you know, famous neo-Nazis, Christopher Cantwell was arrested on Thursday, the 23rd of January.
Now, the arrest was linked to threats made by Cantwell in an attempt to Doc's another Neo-Nazi he was feuding with.
This is a guy who has harassed you and others in your community for years and he finally got busted for fucking with another Nazi.
Now, one of the messages he sent through Telegram, the chat app, stated, quote, So if you don't want me to come and fuck your wife in front of your kids, then you should make yourself scarce.
Give me Vic.
It's your only out.
Vic is a reference to Vic Mackey, which is a pseudonym used by the rival Neo-Nazi in question.
It's pretty ironic that this was, like, finally what did him in.
You know, basically threatening to harm another violent right-wing extremist.
Now, Molly, you have been threatened by this person.
You've been following this.
Like, what does this mean?
You know, like I said, it stings a little bit.
That this guy, like, obviously they've been monitoring his chats because he was arrested for something he said in his chats.
So it's like, some federal agent saw him try to take out a hit on me to try to solicit my murder.
Jesus.
Whoa, on the dark web or?
No, no, in Telegram.
Like, in a Telegram chat.
But this is what he gets arrested for.
Like, that stings a little bit.
Like, that hurts my feelings a little bit, FBI.
That's right.
But I get it.
I get it.
Listen, Fred Hampton is dead, and anybody who's at the head of the KKK may go down for taxes in their, you know, old age.
It's just normal.
Yeah, that's it.
It's a three-sided fight.
I get it.
It hurts my feelings, but I'm gonna be okay.
So, the guy that he was threatening was a A guy named Cheddar Mane.
And his real name should be coming out shortly.
Cheddar Mane?
Cheddar Mane.
Yeah.
What is that?
Is that one of those things where you come up with a ridiculous name to seem like not intimidating?
It's like a judo move?
No, no.
It's not Cheddar Mane.
It's a cheese beard.
Oh.
I think it's a reference to Cheddar Man, the archaeological find in a British bog.
Wow.
Speculation that there were people with African features living in England tens of thousands of years ago.
It's some sort of convoluted racist thing.
He was under the impression that Cheddar was in possession of Vic Mackey's real identity.
Honestly, I doubt Cheddar knows Mackey's real identity.
extorting him, which unfortunately is a federal felony that carries a 20 year sentence.
Ouch.
And so, you know, he also told Cheddar, you know, if you don't give me Vic's docs,
I'll call CPS. I'll send Child Protective Services these pictures of you using drugs.
Yeah.
And he posted all those pictures of Cheddar using drugs. So.
Great.
He appears to have followed through on that, which will make the extortion
prosecution pretty easy since he did follow up and extract consequences on this man.
So that kind of sucks.
I'm thinking we we we do Nuremberg again, but we only prosecute them for being mean to each other in the camps.
Well, this this is the culmination of a year long feud between Cantwell and the Bowl Patrol.
You know, the Bowl Patrol are these these these guys that worship Dylann Roof because he had that bowl cut out of the Bowl Patrol.
So they had this podcast called The Bullcast and originally it was hosted on Chris's website.
So these bull boys had admin access to ChristopherCantwell.com so they could post their podcast.
And then early last year they played a prank on Chris where they like published a bunch of like gross shit on his website.
And he overreacted.
He got really mad.
And then he threatened them.
And then they spent months exchanging blows, like deplatforming each other, getting each other's websites taken down, getting each other's podcasts taken down.
He had to stop doing his podcast for a while because they were prank calling him so much.
It was making him so mad he couldn't podcast.
Oh, my God.
Oh, God.
Just getting increasingly mad.
He started using again like he was like addled on his podcast and couldn't like make sentences.
They really they really.
The Bull Patrol does sound like just a podcast about smoking weed.
Unfortunately, it was a podcast with a recurring segment where they would discuss their fantasies about raping me to death.
So it's not like what they had, like an intro song for that segment.
Like, what the fuck?
You know what?
Sometimes podcasting is bad.
It's not not great.
Not a great show.
Wouldn't recommend.
But they had to stop doing it because they kept deplatforming each other.
Well, as much as it hurts my feelings that the Feds chose to prosecute this particular offense, I think this could be pretty fascinating because of the way that they chose to prosecute this charge.
This is going to involve subpoenaing a lot of people who don't want to be subpoenaed.
So I think it will be a fascinating play for me anyway.
Yeah, well, we will be following along.
And that's not the only story that we have our eye on.
There's the story of an ICE detention center captain who was recently fired because VICE News discovered more than 130 messages he posted to Iron March, which is a neo-Nazi website.
They kicked off with, quote, I look forward to learning more about fascism and interacting with like-minded comrades.
And then progressed towards, quote, anyone complicit in the destruction of my culture, religion, way of life, and nation is counted amongst my enemies.
Now, he was also quite the conspiracy theorist.
He said, quote, my biggest economic issue is getting rid of the Judaic globalist banksters.
And then he elsewhere said, quote, God used the white race in Europe to build Western civilization.
He went quiet around 2014.
That's when he was placed on the Special Operations Response Team.
I guess he got too busy to do posting.
At that time he assisted the supervision of like 14 or 15 different staff members, 300 U.S.
Marshal inmates, and 800 ICE detainees.
He then returned to the forums in April of 2015, and surprise, surprise, his views had not changed at all.
He followed this by working at an ICE detention center in California, and then another one in Nevada where he, you know, kind of was shift supervisor and then was promoted to captain.
So, he is now fired after all this stuff surfaced, but it begs the question, if you create these kinds of jobs, who do you expect will rise to fill them?
I wanted to get some of your insight on this.
Yeah, I mean, guys like this, it's... Yeah.
You know, hashtag not all prison guards, I guess, but like, did you see that photo a couple months ago of that entire class of people who had just finished whatever training program there is to become a corrections officer in West Virginia, and they were all giving a Hitler salute?
Listen, it's just funny memes funny posting just it's just memes right?
You know, it's Christ man.
I mean imagine getting everyone on board.
There's not one person in the class.
It's like I don't know guys Look and take a picture of it.
Just keep your head down Just one person not none of them.
They're all like this is hilarious at least keep the Nazism like off-camera, you know It's like it's like they're just bad bad off They can't help it.
Everything's a fucking meme with these guys.
It's all, you know, shit-boosting IRL until you're shooting up a Walmart.
So, you know, I guess that's kind of a survey, more of like an incidental survey of events in, like, the modern, you know, American neo-Nazi landscape.
But, like, what do you think, if you were to give us a broader picture of where we're heading and what some of these developments might mean, you know, what in your opinion are the threats that we should be keeping an eye on?
Oh, Jesus.
You know, this recent round of arrests is interesting to me.
It shows that at least someone in the FBI is interested in wrapping up some of these cases.
I don't know how much you guys talked about those base investigations earlier in the show, They had not just an informant, you know, not just a snitch, not just surveillance, not just intelligence.
They had an undercover agent join the base and go to their terrorist training camp.
So they had a demonstrated long term interest in infiltrating and taking down this group, which is not a directive coming directly out of the Justice Department.
You know, the federal government has not voiced a lot of concern about violent white extremism.
But it is interesting to see this rash of arrests all of a sudden.
You know, obviously, maybe they created the base in the first place.
That's still up for debate.
But at least they're taking an interest in destroying it.
Right.
Yeah.
And yet, of course, you know, you still have cases like the ICE captain who is using a kind of systemic position that is not even remotely on the FBI radar as an issue, right?
I mean, you have people like Cantwell who are just not smart enough to get that insider job that allows them to do fascism legally, essentially.
You know, I mean, I'm just wondering, like, does that transition just continue?
I mean, I have big questions around what the FBI is doing right now around this stuff, other than putting out bulletins and doing these kind of small incidental arrests.
But I guess we'll have to find out when they fucking decide to release some of those documents or whatever.
Like, you know, 20 or 30 years from now we'll find out what actually fucking happened, just like with COINTELPRO.
Anyways.
That's optimistic of you to assume we'll be around to find out in 30 years.
You're right.
Like, you know, you can dismantle, you know, two small Terra cells of three guys, but if you have thousands of ICE detention camp guards...
Who are, you know, privately Nazis.
What do you do about that?
I don't know.
Yeah, it's a hard one.
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Where can people follow you on Twitter, Molly?
I'm at SocialistDogMom.
It's maybe not the name I would have chosen if I knew it would be my job, but it's what it is.
And would you like to plug anything else?
Yeah, go to your local city council meetings.
Become a thorn in their side.
That's right.
Go find out who your green grannies are.
It's free entertainment.
Wonderful.
Well, thanks so much again for joining us, Molly.
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks, guys.
If you're in the LA area, we are doing a live show super soon on Saturday, February 8th of 2020.
That'll be in LA.
Go grab tickets at tickets.qanonanonymous.com.
We look forward to seeing you there.
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Listener, until next week, may the Deep Dish bless you and keep you.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's a fact.
And now, today's autocue.
Crying Nazi.
And I don't know what to do.
I've emailed Stephen Tenney of the Keene Police Department.
Sorry.
I have emailed Stephen Tenney of the Keene Police Department.
He's one of the cops who came there.
He's one of the cops who saved my ass when I had to pull my gun in Keene.
And I emailed him and I said, I don't know what to do.
I need guidance.
I want to be peaceful, I want to be law-abiding, okay?
That was the whole entire point of this, and I'm watching CNN talk about this as violent, white nationalist protest.
We have done everything in our power to keep this peaceful, you know?
I know we talk a lot of shit on the internet, right?
But, like, literally, Jason Kessler applied for a permit, like, months ago for this, okay?
When they yanked our permit, we went to the ACLU, and we went to court, and we won!
We've been coordinating with law enforcement the entire time, every step of the way, we've tried to do the right thing.
