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Nov. 12, 2019 - QAA
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Episode 65: Epstein Blackout feat Liz Franczak of the TrueAnon Podcast

Liz Franczak of TrueAnon joins us to talk Epstein, the mainstream media's failure to cover him, and how the right is attempting to coopt the story. Plus Jake "finds" a poem that just happens to be a sequel to "The Night Before Epstein". DON'T MISS THE 2ND WEEKLY EPISODE! GO SUBSCRIBE FOR $5 A MONTH AT PATREON.COM/QANONANONYMOUS Buy tix to our live show (Sat Feb 8th) in Los Angeles: http://tickets.qanonanonymous.com Follow Liz Franczak: twitter.com/liz_franczak Listen to TrueAnon: http://trueanon.com

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What's up QAA listeners?
The fun games have begun.
I found a way to connect to the internet.
I'm sorry, boy.
Welcome, listener, to the 65th chapter of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Epstein Blackout episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rokitansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.
The most infamous child trafficking pedophile of the ruling class was trending again recently on Twitter, thanks to one of the shittiest men on earth, James O'Keefe and his awful far-right smear machine, Project Veritas.
The worst fucking name for a fucking outlet.
I don't know.
They all love, yeah, like Greco-Roman.
It sounds so low-budge.
It sounds like they're like, well, we've got CNN, there's MSNBC, we've got ABC, we've got Fox News, and then Project Veritas.
I mean Fox News is a weird choice because the fox is usually known as a sneaky.
Sneaky animal that goes around in the dark.
So we're going to examine what happened, why James cannot be trusted, and how the mainstream media has failed to properly cover Epstein in the aftermath of his definitely not murder.
We're also delighted to have Liz Franczak on the show this week.
She's the co-host of the True Anon podcast, dedicated to covering Epstein and the massive, deep-rooted network of ruling-class sickos he ran with.
Jake will also be donning his beret and loose-knit sweater to read us a little poem prepared for the occasion.
Beautiful man, I'd like to see, I'd like to hear.
So we also could not be more excited to announce our very first live show.
It's going to be in Los Angeles on Saturday, February 8th.
It's going to be really fun.
Jake's going to tell a live story.
You can BYOB.
If you don't know what that means, you can look it up.
And we'll of course have a meaty topic to cover.
You should go get tickets now.
Pause the podcast and go to tickets.QAnonAnonymous.com so you can later tell people you were at the very first QAA live show in the history of mankind.
The date, again, is Saturday, February 8th of 2020, Year of Our Lord.
The place is Los Angeles, specifically the Silver Lake neighborhood, and we are gonna have a lot of fun.
Go to tickets.qanonanonymous.com.
Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
You guys could join me on the go, go, go, so it doesn't just sound like a desperate idiot, okay?
All right, but you are a desperate idiot.
All right, fair enough.
I'm a desperate idiot.
Well, I'll second that.
Go do that.
My mom's gonna be there, so if you want to meet my mom, Don't tell people your mom's gonna be there.
It makes us sound like fucking amateurs, man.
We are!
Although, not really.
I don't know if you can notice because our voices sound excellent due to some new equipment.
That's right.
Supported by our beloved Patreon subscribers.
So, thank you.
You are actively making the show.
That's true, actually.
We did upgrade both our hardware and I also now live in a palace of foam.
When the boys leave, they feel a little sad because they know what they're leaving me to sleep in.
Yeah, there's their sleeping bags hanging from the ceiling.
In fact, I think that's where Julian sleeps now.
Kind of like Gary Oldman in the Keanu Reeves, Bram Stoker's Dracula film.
I think at the end of every night, Julian just tucks himself into that little sleeping bag, hangs from the ceiling, goes to sleep.
Absolutely.
Looking at his phone.
Always.
You know what?
I've been reading more lately.
I'm excited.
Oh good, oh good.
Yeah, that's right.
You know what I've been doing?
Books are back in town.
You know what I've been doing at night?
What?
All night till 5am?
What?
Playing 2K.
That's okay.
I'm getting really good.
That's great.
I'm finally getting really good.
We're very proud of you.
You know what else is great?
QAnon news.
No.
Travis's birthday.
Happy birthday to Travis!
Thank you.
You said you?
You don't even know his name?
Wait, sing the song.
I'll do the harmonies.
I'm not going to do the whole song.
Just do one of them.
No, we're going to get sued by the birthday corporation.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, the birthday people will come after us.
I think it works out.
Yeah, just release more information.
Make it easier to dox me.
Yeah.
Oh.
Anyways, this week we're recording on a Wednesday.
Weird.
Weird day of the week to record.
But yeah, thank you so much for the upgraded sound and for allowing Travis to live another year on Earth.
It's thanks to you.
Patreon.com slash QAnonAnonymous.com.
Live another year.
I just said QAnonAnonymous.com on top of it.
So just this whole intro has been an absolute disaster.
You know what else is a disaster?
Well, first of all, I want to say 8coon is still not live on the clear net, still having problems, no new queue drops.
Oh boy.
Why are you gloating about it?
I've got no reason, no reason.
Just a casual observer.
In case you're wondering how 8coon is doing.
Not great, not great.
And our main story is 8chan owner Jim Watkins asked prosecutors to charge Frederick Brennan with libel.
So Jim Watkins, the valiant defender of free speech that he is, has asked the Philippines to charge 8chan creator Frederick Brennan with libel.
Frederick Brennan learned about this after receiving a subpoena to offer a counter affidavit in response to Jim Watkins' complaint.
The full complaint, by the way, was leaked by our old friend, the QAnon pusher NeonRevolt, which obviously means that Ron and or Jim Watkins are in direct communication with NeonRevolt and are using him as a media asset in their war against Frederick Brennan.
Keep in mind, this is a guy who has gone on stream to say he fell in a ditch drunkenly three different times, including the day before his own wedding.
And he's just like, how dare you libel me as I do the cucumber dance?
You're making me look like an idiot and an unprofessional man!
You're hurting Jim Watkins' stellar reputation.
He's thought of so highly in the community.
As I sit next to a lake playing with an abacus.
The complaint by Watkins takes issue with a few tweets by Brennan speculating that Watkins is senile.
For example, here is one Frederick Brennan tweet mentioned in the complaint.
Jim wearing a QAnon pin to Congress was truly awful.
Either Jim is wearing the pin cynically, he knows Q is a LARP, but is wearing it to trick the cultists into donating to him, or Jim is going senile and believes Q is real to some degree and is wearing it as a talisman.
I'm not a lawyer, obviously.
Even if I was, I probably wouldn't know much about Filipino law.
But I'm pretty sure just speculating that someone is senile can't be considered libelous or defamatory.
I don't think so.
And we're sure that he doesn't just have a gumball machine with different letters at home and he pops a letter out every morning to put on his jacket and it just happened to be Q the day he went to Congress?
Think about it, boys.
I don't want to be conspiratorial on the podcast.
Are you talking about the shits that you put the quarter in and it comes out in a little plastic bubble?
That's a gotcha game.
What do you mean by gotcha game?
So, gotcha is a Japanese thing where people pump in shit tons of money to get the randomized figurine and then there's rare ones and stuff.
It's designed to make you pump money in.
And a lot of mobile games and loot boxes are based on that mechanic.
So the gotcha is like the machine basically going gotcha?
No, it's like a Japanese word.
I don't know what it stands for.
I just know that's the word they use.
But it's interesting because I mean it kind of works in English too because it's like gotcha.
It does.
Gotcha to put in a lot of money.
Yeah, for simpletons this definitely works.
Gotcha.
No, the analogy works.
Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that, like, at the very least, you'd have to claim that something is fact before it can even theoretically be considered defamatory or libelous.
That's a good point.
Which brings us to our second story.
Jim Watkins is senile.
So, according to reports...
Jim Watkins is senile and suffers from dementia.
Our sources, which we can't name, obviously, say that Jim Watkins spends hours a day talking to his cat because his senile mind has led him to believe that he is John Arfbuckle speaking to Garfield.
Incredible.
Actually, fucking, that tracks.
Yeah, that makes sense to me, actually.
Yeah, well, we have some more information here.
Further sources have confirmed that Jim Watkins' head actually contains no real brain tissue.
If you were to open up Jim Watkins' skull and peer inside, you'd see a pool of tainted pond water containing a brown lily pad and a single dead floating frog.
I'm not 100% sure how Jim Watkins operates without a functional nervous system, but that is what we are reporting as fact with actual malice.
You didn't have to use we.
I hadn't looked over the stuff.
But actually, now that I read it, I would also add that he makes doo-doos in his pants on purpose every morning, and he walks around with it just for the nice warm feeling.
This is breaking.
You only hear at the QAnon Anonymous.
That's right.
You know, I love that we're doing this and then seconds later we're gonna have to talk shit about Project Veritas.
This guy's not even a real reporter!
Anyways.
Honestly, Jim Watkins kind of does look like John Arbuckle.
Yeah.
If you look him up right now, look at this pic.
That is so Watkins energy right there.
Today Jake's brain is on absolute overdrive.
Look at this.
Yes, this skinny man who looks nothing like Jim Watkins looks exactly like Jim Watkins, you're correct.
Similar haircut.
Absolutely.
No, it's true.
Similar haircut, no nose, big eyes, same hair color.
Same exact hair color if you're completely blind.
Occupation, cartoonist, same.
The Epstein Blackout.
So I want to talk about the recently leaked ABC News hot mic video that's making the rounds and kind of put it in the context of the mainstream media's failure to properly cover Epstein but also how like establishment reporting actually helps topple Epstein.
So, earlier this week, the conservative activist James O'Keefe began promoting the hashtag Epstein Cover-Up on Twitter.
It was supposedly a prelude to some explosive information that he was going to release through his organization, Project Veritas.
Now, most people who hadn't already bought into O'Keefe's schtick ignored it.
O'Keefe has gained a reputation as a bad-faith actor.
His method of investigative journalism typically involves recording people he targets, usually media outlets or left-leaning organizations, and then selectively editing the videos or publishing them out of context.
In one instance in 2010, an employee of the non-profit Acorn, who was fired due to a misleading Project Veritas video, sued.
That resulted in O'Keefe issuing an apology and agreeing to pay $100,000 in the settlement.
Even more disgusting is the neoliberal establishment shutting down Acorn in response to this fucking two-bit loser going in there and doing a fucking hit job on them.
Shame on them.
Shame on them because they were the true people that made the decision at the end of the day.
That's true.
This guy's going to continue to be a piece of shit.
It's your fucking responsibility not to shut down something cool like Acorn.
That's all I have to say.
In recent years, O'Keefe usually works by hyping up some new video project, releasing recordings that show people speaking candidly, but not usually revealing anything particularly interesting, then claiming that he's being shadowbanned.
In fact, just last month... I mean, I shadowbanned him myself.
Yeah, well, of course.
In fact, just last month he did this with his Expose CNN project.
That project, which consisted of footage captured by a contractor for CNN, failed to produce any bombshells.
Like, even people who liked James O'Keefe were like, all, yeah, yeah, so we have some low-level employees talking shit about CNN.
That's not, that's not explosive revelations.
Yeah.
CNN sucks.
Explosive revelation.
They're not that good.
Yeah, it's not, there was anything good.
They're kind of a pile of turds in a giant studio filming each other.
However, this Epstein cover-up business wound up being more real and substantial than just about anything O'Keefe has ever done, even though it does not contain a video that O'Keefe or anyone on his team produced.
Rather, it was a leaked video of ABC News anchor Amy Robach in studio griping about a missed opportunity to report on the Epstein story in 2015.
That squashed report included an interview with the most famous victim of Jeffrey Epstein, Virginia Roberts Jeffrey.
Back in May of 2009, Virginia Jeffrey sued Epstein and accused Ghislaine Maxwell of recruiting her to a life of being sexually trafficked while she was a minor.
And what's amazing is that the statement about the royal family, that's a clear attempt to cover something up.
I've actually seen deep, deep, deep on the message boards that there's a sect of the QAnon community that believes That the deep state really is Great Britain, that we never freed ourselves from the British, and that even though America looks like it's free and has the appearance that we've separated from the United Kingdom, that actually they still fucking pull all the strings.
If America's not free, then Britain is pretty permissive.
America has been up to a lot of shenanigans.
Not a very good leash.
He has some old school Lyndon LaRoche kind of shit.
Yeah, hell yeah.
But here's a section of that video of Amy Roback speaking.
I've had the story for three years.
I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
We would not put it on the air.
First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein?
No one knows who that is.
This is a stupid story.
Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways.
We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate and Will that also quashed the story.
And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes.
She told me everything.
She had pictures.
She had everything.
She was in hiding for 12 years.
We convinced her to come out.
We convinced her to talk to us.
It was unbelievable what we had.
Clinton.
We had everything.
I tried for three years to get it on to no avail and now it's all coming out and it's like these new revelations and I freaking had all of it.
I'm so pissed right now.
Every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh my god.
What we had was unreal.
Other women backing it up.
Hey.
Yep.
Brad Edwards, the attorney, three years ago saying, like, there will come a day when we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known.
I had it all three years ago.
I like that they added the heartbeat.
Oh yeah, very dramatic.
It feels like, it feels like it's almost wanting to be a movie.
Yeah, it's the opening of like a Ubisoft game.
Yes, it really, yes dude, exactly, oh my god.
And soon somebody in like a pig mask is gonna like break through the window with a collapsible baton and hack the fucking coffee machine.
The best part of it all is her not sounding like she gives too much of a shit about the victims and just being like, we had it all man.
I fucking had this three years ago.
God fucking damn it.
I saw it come out and I was like, fuck.
We had it all.
It's not like these victims could have potentially had justice earlier.
He could have been stopped from doing stuff to more people.
Eh, maybe that was implied.
We had it all.
Kind of not the vibe, though.
The vibe is like, they stole my story.
The vibe is very April O'Neil, if you guys know who that is.
No, who the hell is that?
She was the good friend... I hate you so much.
She was the good friend of four turtles.
Italians?
Italian turtles, right?
No.
Why would they be called Michelangelo, Donatello, Leonardo?
Because their father was interested in Renaissance art.
So he named his boys, who were four turtles who happened to walk into some goo, he named them after the painters.
It's just weird to have a human take care of turtles.
He's not a human.
We're not going to go over Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles lore right now.
Just in the middle of poor Travis's segment.
In the middle of his segment, just ruining the podcast.
Moving on.
He's crying.
What an absolute piece of shit.
All right.
While the video of Amy Robach venting is new, James O'Keefe did not break the story that ABC News had squashed in Epstein's story.
That incident that Robach is talking about was first detailed in an August 2019 report from NPR's All Things Considered.
Okay, but did they have the photos?
Did they have Clinton?
Okay, so the actual story was broken by NPR, but this does contain new information.
Yeah, right?
It is valuable, it is good, I'm glad it was released.
I could have done it differently than releasing James O'Keefe.
No, not the tape!
Not the tape, the shit that she has, that she's sitting on!
Oh, yeah.
That fucking ABC is sitting on to this day!
That's right.
Where the fuck are the photos?
We'd love to see that.
Fucking cowards!
Sorry, do we have any friends?
In fact, in that video, Roback is reacting to that NPR story, and that's why she was sort of ranting about it.
Oh, that makes sense.
So, in 2015, the ABC News team of Amy Roback and Jim Hill scored an interview with Virginia Drefri.
Producers paid for Virginia Drefri and her family to fly from Colorado to New York City.
Roback and her news crew interviewed Jeffrey on tape for more than an hour about Epstein.
Here's what Virginia Jeffrey told NPR about her decision to come forward.
At the time, in 2015, Epstein was walking around a free man, comparing his criminal behavior to stealing a bagel.
I really wanted a spotlight shown on him and the others who acted with him and enabled his vile and shameless conduct against young girls and young women.
I viewed the ABC interview as a potential game changer.
Appearing on ABC with its wide viewership would have been the first time for me to speak out against the government for basically looking the other way and to describe the anger and betrayal victims felt.
Now that story obviously never aired.
That is incredible and she's talking about how it took so long to convince her to come out and speak and do all this stuff and then they fucking sat on it.
You satanic motherfuckers!
Every single one of you deserves to absolutely have s**t through the back of your f**king a**.
I would like to have s**t explodes backwards in an absolute gusher like one of those beautiful... Alright.
I stopped myself there, see?
Yeah, that's good.
We were gonna let you go.
One ABC News staffer told NPR that the story was squashed after the network received a call from one of Epstein's top lawyers, Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz.
Dershowitz confirmed this account, telling NPR he intervened after learning ABC was on the brink of broadcasting its interview.
He says that he believes he spoke with two producers and a lawyer with the network.
Jeffrey had previously alleged that Dershowitz was among the prominent men Epstein had instructed her to have sex with when she was a teenager.
Incredible.
So, uh, side note.
Now, we're not gonna run this story on a pedophile.
We just got a call from a pedophile, and he was like, don't run this story about how I'm a fucking pedophile.
Yeah, I know.
Oh, okay, Mr. Pedophile, we'll take care of that for you.
No problem.
Instead, we're gonna do a story on, uh...
The wedding of Kate and Will, the lovely royal family we all love to look at.
What kind of appetizers were served at the rehearsal dinner?
What hats were worn by Kate on the day of her wedding?
How many hats?
Can you count in this footage?
How many hats do you need to hide a pedophile?
Uh, yeah, so back in April, Virginia and Jeffrey actually filed a lawsuit against Dershowitz for defamation, and just this past week, Dershowitz filed a countersuit for defamation.
So, real piece of work that guy.
Wow.
What?
Dershowitz is a bad guy?
Yeah, who knew?
Outrageous.
I thought he was good, though.
Did you see that fucking photo of that fucking guy and Giuliani at a baseball game?
No.
Just grinning in the half-light.
Just fucking scum.
Absolute fucking amphibians.
Just slithering their way through American society, completely free to continue doing what they're doing.
So, ABC News, for its part, claimed that the story did not meet their standards to air at the time.
Jeffrey told NPR that she felt betrayed.
Yeah, the way that she talks definitely makes it sound like the issue was standards.
You can definitely hear that in everything she says, that that's the issue, not a clear statement of, oh yeah, the royal family asked us to cover this up and threatened us a million different ways and then Dershowitz got involved.
She literally says it!
Yep.
I was defeated once again by the very people I spoke out against and once again my voice was silenced.
I could not believe that a formidable network like ABC had backed down and given in.
Virginia, they are not a formidable network.
They are a pedophile cover-up network and they are cowards in the face of money and power.
I'm sorry to break it to you, it sucks, but that's what they are.
So even though it technically isn't news that ABC News squashed the Epstein story, the video released by Project Veritas does include Amy Roback making previously unreported claims.
For example, Roback says that the British royal family found out that Virginia Jeffery made allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened ABC News.
A fear about losing access to Prince William and Catherine Middleton allegedly played a part in squashing the story.
Also previously unreported is the claim that the Squash ABC News segment includes information about Bill Clinton.
It is amazing that at the Will and Kate wedding they molested children as hors d'oeuvres.
That was incredible to watch the video of that on ABC News and the celebration that went on after that and the discussion of the dresses and the hats and the flavors.
Inconceivable.
So the identity of the person who leaked that tape is unknown, but a producer named Ashley Bianco was fired from her job at CBS News after it was revealed that she marked the moment of Amy Roback speaking while Ashley worked at ABC News.
Wow.
So why Ashley was fired from a totally different network when she isn't even the one who leaked the clip?
Wait, you're telling me there might be a cross-network cover-up for a fucking pedophile where they take essentially the Edward Snowden of pedophilia and just make sure that he never warts again?
It's a weird situation.
For fuck's sake!
No, I know.
I was saying the Edward Snowden.
I see, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but yes, she.
Absolutely.
Oh man, I can't believe it.
Except that I can.
You can?
Yeah.
Because Q is real.
Yeah.
So this was not the first time that a major network had the opportunity to publish serious allegations against Epstein but declined.
Like we've previously discussed on the podcast, a similar incident happened when reporter Vicki Ward wrote a profile about Epstein in 2003 for Vanity Fair.
While Vicki Ward was working on that story, she was pregnant with twins.
And according to Ed Pilkington for The Guardian, Epstein threatened to get a witch doctor to put a curse on Ward's unborn children.
And this was actually what was reported in The Guardian.
It's very... I have no idea.
So yeah, so there's Satanism and witchcraft going on there, too.
So, yeah, fun stuff.
Just amazing.
So you're telling me the pedophile also does the, okay, Satan stuff?
Everything's fine?
Nobody, nobody, that's new.
Weird.
Never heard about that.
Weird.
Unless you've been on a certain message board.
Chant.
Okay, so while Ward was reporting that story, two sisters who are both alleged Epstein victims, that's Maria and Annie Farmer, gave interviews to Vicki Ward.
They say that they both spoke about their abuse on the record by name back in 2002.
Their mother, Janice Farmer, says that she did too.
Vicki Ward pursuing that story prompted Jeffrey Epstein to appear in person at Vanity Fair's office and pressed editor-in-chief Graydon Carter to not devote any attention to Epstein's apparent interest in very young girls.
In a statement to NPR about Vanity Fair's decision to not run their story, the Farmer
Sisters wrote this.
We decided to share our story about Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell with a writer
for Vanity Fair in 2002 because telling other people what happened to us, as we had already
done, did not lead to either of them being held accountable.
We spoke on the record.
Our mother spoke on the record.
It was terribly painful.
We hoped the story would put people on notice, and they would be stopped from abusing other young girls and young women.
That didn't happen.
In the end, the story that ran erased our voices.
But that doesn't mean that Vanity Fair reporters let the story go entirely.
John Connolly, then a Vanity Fair contributing editor, pursued interviews with alleged victims of Epstein in 2006.
As John Connolly worked on the story, Vanity Fair editor-in-chief Graydon Carter called him to let him know about something unusual he had found in his front yard, the severed head of a dead cat.
Connolly says that he believes that was done in order to intimidate.
Wait, Graydon Carter said that.
Yes.
He said, Connelly, we found it in your yard?
No, Carter found it in his yard.
No, he fucking didn't.
He covered up the other fucking one, too.
Graydon Carter, what he enjoys to do on his free time, he likes to sit in a children's swimming pool filled with tadpoles, and he waits until they swim up his urethra, and then he just Punches down and just squashes them as they're inside and that's what he does for pleasure That's what he does for fun on his normal day that and cover up for fucking pedophiles John Connolly says they allegedly allegedly Just you know, but that's what I've seen the video I've seen
John Connolly says that he voluntarily decided to stop pursuing the Epstein story for the magazine, and that Graydon Carter claims that he never held back on any reporting due to any sense of threat.
That's an absolute lie!
Vicky talks about how he specifically came in and was like, you gotta take that part out.
Take out the girls.
So, the fucking dead cat didn't fucking happen, and he's fucking lying to Connelly to do the same fucking thing, except in this case, it's a man, so he knows he can't just go up and threaten, because he's a fucking asshole, so he's like, oh, I'm dead cat.
You know what, he actually, he goes home, and he likes to chew on dead cats' heads, just for the flavor, just, he loves it.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
But there's yet another instance of a news outlet failing to properly report on Epstein.
And this time it's from the paper of record itself.
The Old Grey Lady.
The New York Times.
Aw man, I just thought they were so good.
In August of 2018, the New York Times got word that Tesla founder Elon Musk was using Jeffrey Epstein as an executive recruitment advisor.
Oh, that's why he was developing those silent cars, so pedophiles could creep up on girls way more quietly.
That makes sense.
It's nothing to do with energy efficiency.
Just for the record, Elon apparently denies this.
Curious why Elon was seeking advice from a registered sex offender, the editors of the New York Times wanted to get a reporter to question Epstein.
And their first choice was reporter Landon Thomas Jr., a veteran financial correspondent who had been at the Times for 16 years.
Now, it seemed like a natural choice.
Thomas actually knew Epstein fairly well.
He had written about Epstein since 2002, before he even joined the paper.
Thomas had considered Epstein a valued source ever since, even after Epstein's release from jail for sex offenses.
So he's also fucking in on it?
Well... What the fuck is going... This is so fucked up!
A source for what?
Well... Well, young women and great plane rides.
Absolutely fantastic.
But a source for what?
Good fun!
Chuckles!
He's a well-connected person.
There's nothing inherently wrong with using bad people as sources.
Except in this case.
Except in this case.
Yeah, it's wrong.
But it's like, tell us about the pedophiles that you know about but that you're not doing.
I just spoke to several dozen young women who say, Well, I'd like to know your side of the story.
You know, it's important to get both sides.
Well, I'll tell ya.
Listen, have I ever told you about self-determinism and living forever?
Well I'll tell ya, in Marrakesh the legal age is closer to 12.
So people around the world are enjoying all ages.
Let me tell you something about Southern Arabia.
The age of consent is the second trimester.
People don't know that.
Yes, when you climb into a spaceship and shrink down to the size of a molecule and travel inside somebody else's body, the mitochondria of the age for consent... It's not even applicable, basically.
I mean, I've spoken to so many scientists and they all say the same thing.
There is no pedophilia at the mitochondrial level.
But to Landon Thomas Jr., apparently Epstein was more than just a source.
He was also a friend.
For fuck's sake, man!
You keep doing it to me!
You know what you're doing to me!
I know exactly what I'm doing.
I'm doing it on purpose.
In fact, they were so close that Thomas had solicited a $30,000 contribution from Epstein for a Harlem cultural center.
So Thomas told his editors that he would use Epstein as a source, but he would no longer want to report on him since he was so close.
His editors, quite understandably, freaked out.
And forbade him from making further professional contact with Epstein.
Only personal contact from now on, okay?
Alright, friend?
Yeah, just don't write about it in our paper.
Just go and play like a game of pick-up or whatever you're gonna do with Epstein.
But please do forward us the address of the party scheduled for later this evening.
What is it, invite only?
What are they gonna say at the door?
Do I have to provide my email or can I just text the number?
And when those editors looked back on the occasions when Thomas did report on Epstein, they found that those reports didn't really speak truth to power, let's say.
For example, here is an excerpt from a 2008 report headlined, Finance Here, Start Sentence in Prostitution Case.
To prosecutors, Mr. Epstein is just another sex offender.
He did what he did because he could, and because he never dreamed he would get caught, they say.
Mr. Epstein's defenders counter that he has been unjustly persecuted because of his wealth and lofty connections.
Sitting on his patio on Little St.
Jeff's in the Virgin Islands several months ago, as his legal troubles deepened, Mr. Epstein gazed at the azure sea and the lush hills of St.
Thomas in the distance, poked at a lunch of crab and rare steak prepared by his personal chef, and tried to explain how his life had taken such a turn.
He likened himself to Gulliver, Shipwrecked among the diminutive denizens of Lilliput.
Gulliver's playfulness had unintended consequences, Mr. Epstein said.
That is what happens with wealth.
There are unexpected burdens as well as benefits.
Oh my fu- What the fuck is wrong with you?
The unexpected burden of forcing a child to fillet you, you piece of shit.
Fuck.
Listen, yes, I've lured several children into ovens and burned them alive using candy.
But there are unexpected consequences, it turns out, to incinerating a child.
Unexpected consequences to building a gingerbread house filled with candy and whipped cream window piping.
Not my fault at all that a child wandered in and stumbled into my oven.
Just an absolute piece of shit.
Allegedly because of Thomas's undisclosed cozy relationship with Epstein, the reporter was gone from the New York Times in January of 2019.
January of 2019.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Take your fucking time, NYT.
Take your fucking time.
So those are like just sort of the instances that we know about.
Right.
I mean, if there if there are three instances of like.
Yeah, that have leaked out.
That have leaked out.
There's probably many more of like of like opportunities to report on this.
Taking out my calculator, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, 800 million others.
800 million.
Yeah, 800 million, incredible number, but that's what the calculator says.
So yeah, it clearly shows a pattern of major news orgs failing to publish information that could have revealed what a monster Jeffrey Epstein was before he was arrested.
Kind way to put it.
That's a very charitable way to put it.
Yeah.
Failing to publish.
Failing, yes.
The most charitable interpretation is a failure.
I failed to not push my elderly mother down the stairs.
She now appears to have a broken neck.
So this frustration at the lack of backbone amongst media orgs was shared by Michael Rater, who is the former Palm Beach police chief.
Back in 2004, Rater initiated the first inquiry into Jeffrey Epstein and his possible involvement in child prostitution.
Rachel said that he had talked to many reporters and told them precisely where to find damning evidence against Epstein, but nothing ever came of it.
How is that?
What the hell is going on here ladies and gentlemen?
So when Miami Herald reporter Julie K. Brown came to Michael Rater to ask about Epstein, he was jaded.
Here's what the former police chief told the reporter.
Somebody's gonna call your publisher and the next thing you know you're gonna be assigned to the obituaries department.
So, Julie K. Brown ignored his warning and pursued the story.
The result of her efforts was the three-part investigative series, Perversion of Justice.
It identified 80 possible victims of Epstein and uncovered a secretly negotiated sweetheart deal that allowed Epstein to avoid serious punishment for being perhaps the most prolific pedophile in history.
That deal was negotiated by Alexander Acosta, who eventually had to resign as Trump's Labor Secretary due to Brown's reporting.
also discovered was that the prosecutors even worked with Epstein to help him avoid negative
media coverage. So the guys responsible for punishing Epstein were also helping
Yeah.
Helping his media coverage or like mitigating the negative media coverage is what you're telling me.
That's right.
So Epstein you're telling me is is a young African-American male.
Yeah.
Same thing.
From the inner city.
Same thing.
Yeah.
That's what I thought.
It's the same thing.
One of ACASA's prosecutors wrote this in an email to an Epstein lawyer.
Ah nah nah.
Avoid the press note.
I can file the charge in District Court in Miami which will hopefully cut the press coverage significantly.
You want to check that out?
Do ya?
Hey, there's a great go-karting place near my house.
It's got time crisis, too.
You wanna check that out?
Yeah, maybe you could bring a couple of your younger friends.
I don't know.
Maybe we hit the batting cages, and maybe we'll hit the bleachers.
I don't know.
The prosecutors who indicted Jeffrey Epstein most recently even cited Julie K. Brown's reporting for helping bring Epstein closer to justice.
Brown later told WNYC that she was intrigued by the Epstein story because of the strange silence surrounding it.
Here's what she said.
There really was nobody pursuing this at all.
That was one of the things that intrigued me about this case.
Why isn't anyone standing up and screaming?
Well, a few people are, but unfortunately they're on an island in the middle of the ocean.
Yeah.
So, so I mean, here, I mean, here's the sort of like my takeaway from like this, this whole incident.
Like, I think obviously it shows that, you know, all like mainstream corporate sort of media were most charitably, uh, failing to properly cover Epstein because they are cowardly or, and a craven and less charitably there was an active coverup.
Yeah.
So are you so you think is it ideal?
It's not ideal.
No, not at all.
Still remains not ideal.
Yeah.
So but but the whole situation was sort of approaching sort of the how the mainstream media sort of approach Epstein is like more nuanced than like a lot of QAnon people think.
So because, you know, despite the sort of the broad institutional failure of the mainstream media to expose Epstein for years, at the end of the day, what brought down Epstein was a reporter for a traditional news outlet, our newspaper, in fact.
Yeah.
So what brought the Epstein story back into the mainstream awareness wasn't a citizen researcher doing Google searches and posting memes from behind their computer.
It was Julie K. Brown, a seasoned investigative reporter for the Miami Herald, who did the hard work of following leads and interviewing as many of Epstein's victims as she could out in the real world.
Also remember, the reporters Vicki Ward and Amy Roback wanted to publish the information they had on Epstein.
So in those two cases, at least, it wasn't an issue of a reporter or a specific reporter covering for Epstein.
It was producers and editors just being too cowardly or, again, less charitably, actively covering it up.
Yeah, I mean, you know, and this is not to blame anybody, but we have people like Ed Snowden who gave up their whole life and had to move abroad and will forever probably live on the lam because he was like, no, this is where I draw the line.
And so that's the question.
Are you willing to fucking lose your job and have these elites destroy you because you want to be the person blowing the whistle?
Uh, you know, and it's like, we have people blowing the whistle for, like, shitty Ukraine deals.
Like, that sucks.
Of course it fucking sucks.
But it's not Epstein and the fucking Royal Crown level of sucks.
Like, this shit is so beyond the fucking pale.
And citizen researchers do have a job now to continue to tell their friends and families any chance they have at Thanksgiving dinner when nobody wants to fucking listen to you.
Go, go, go.
No, I'm kidding.
Please.
go go go go go go go go. As soon as that knife cuts that first piece of pie, you're talking
about... You gotta be screaming about the pedos. You're talking about the tunnels under
Epstein's Island. That's right. You're talking about how many times Bill Clinton flew on
his plane. When they say, hey, would you like the wishbone?
You go, I wishbone that Epstein's neck bone wasn't so fuckin' broke bone in a way that is, you know, consistent with strangulation bone.
That's what you gotta tell them on Thanksgiving.
All right, everybody enjoy your holiday and take all of Julian's advice and follow it step by step.
To the letter.
Follow it to the letter.
Do not fucking fail me!
So, I want to say like one last thing to basically the QAnon people, because like a lot of QAnon people, they fantasize about the entire mainstream media just crumbling and all media basically being replaced by quote-unquote citizen researchers like they imagine themselves to be.
And you know what?
The Jeffrey Epstein's of the world fantasize about the exact same thing.
A corrupt people would love it if people like Julie K. Brown didn't have the training, the time, or the resources to uncover corruption.
And if we keep having rich people buying newspapers, they won't.
Yeah, that's right.
The biggest threat to corruption is dorks posting on 8kun is the day that corruption will thrive unopposed.
That's right.
The biggest threat is, in fact, billionaires and accumulated capital.
Contact your local billionaire and tell them they suck ass.
Yeah.
Get a subscription to your local paper if they have an investigative journalist on board, if you want to help pick away at corruption.
This whole incident kind of reminds me of the Colgary Web incident, right?
Yeah.
This is, again, another case of an investigative reporter at the San Jose Mercury News who did better work than the LA Times, Washington Post, and the New York Times.
Yeah.
And I mean, if this was 30 years ago, she'd probably be dead.
Okay, so have you heard of Home Depot?
So at Home Depot you can acquire several pieces of wood, for example, and you could easily rig together that wood in the shape of maybe like a kind of standing up rectangular thing.
And then you're gonna need a very big blade.
You're gonna need a nice rope that holds the blade up, and then you're gonna need to find your local billionaire and you're gonna want to just do arts and crafts with him.
You're gonna want to Home Depot that heads right off these fucking billionaires, man.
Alright, one last bit.
I do while hold on.
The funny thing about that is that anybody who knows Home Depot knows this is a fucking
nightmare process.
It's gonna be weeks before you get that thing.
Oh, the revolution's gonna be inconvenient?
Big box stores aren't good enough for you for the supplies to your revolution?
How the fuck do you think it was to build the fucking guillotines for the French?
Huh?
In the fucking revolution, man!
I have a feeling it was easier to find big ol' blades back then.
Yeah?
They just had a big ol' blade shop?
A big ol' fucking buster sword.
Absolutely not.
You had to go to your local blacksmith and ask him to...
He would make it, yeah, now what do you do?
That's right, you go to Home Depot and you're like, I'd like to repurpose this sheet metal for some casual fucking revolution.
You just have a crudely drawn diagram of a guillotine and you're showing it to the guy at the front desk.
Excuse me sir, I'm looking for the pieces that could construct this.
Oh yeah, that's aisle 8 and you might want to check out aisle 7 too, there's some adhesives there.
That's right, you might also want to check out 8coon.net because there's a lot of great information there too.
There's one other bit from that video that Project Veritas released that we gotta look at, and it's a clip of Amy Roback talking about Jeffrey Epstein's death.
Oh boy.
So, do I think he was killed?
A hundred percent.
Yes, I do.
Because he made his whole living blackmailing people.
There were a lot of men in those planes, a lot of men who visited that island, a lot of powerful men who came into that apartment.
I knew immediately.
And they made it seem as though he made that suicide attempt two weeks earlier, but his lawyers claimed that he was roughed up by his cellmate around the neck.
That was all, like, to plant the seed.
And then... That's why I really believe it.
Like, really believe it.
So, do I think he was killed?
A hundred percent.
Yes, I do.
Damn, if you had written that script and given it to an actor, I don't think they would have given a better performance than that.
Yeah, she's so uncomfortable.
She's rocking back and forth in her chair.
She's just disgusting.
You can tell, at least in my opinion, you can tell in her face that she's struggling with what she should admit, almost as if she doesn't trust that, you know, like, I don't even know if I should say this shit.
Yeah, if I should say this because I know what's You know, how strong the powers that don't want this to be a fact.
What a fucked up thing that we're living through right now.
Maybe the most obvious and straightforward cover-up.
This shit makes JFK look like the 100% lone gunman, 100% an accident almost.
An accident, yeah.
Yeah it's like this is just so absolutely blatant and you know the whole way we had incredible resistance by Travis View and you know and now finally the truth has come out and he can't hold he can't hold the levy he can't hold the fucking levy we're just the blood of the innocent is is flooding past him and now he's surfing it like he's a great surf guy his hands are not his own his fingers seem to have Minds of their own typing www.atecoon.net into the browser.
Is it true?
Slash, has my entire Twitter persona been built on a lie?
Slash, do I regret everything?
He's not happy right now.
Meanwhile, I'm becoming increasingly uncomfortable of how right that I've been about everything, basically.
It looks like you've been shooting growth hormone into your arms.
You're just bigger and buffer than ever.
Really?
Yeah, you've got a glint in your eyes.
Feeling pretty fucking good.
Speaking of which, you know, as sort of is tradition now when we do an episode about Epstein, I dig into, I have a tome Of old poetry from the 17th century about Jeffrey Epstein.
I don't know if it's the same guy.
You looked it up, but some other.
It's another guy, but a lot of it, but a lot of it still tracks almost like history is repeating itself.
Almost.
So if you guys don't mind, I'd love to give you kind of part two of Twas the Night Before Epstein.
Oh, another classic 17th century, yeah.
So this, there's the same book.
This is the follow-up, it's a poem.
Right, so you found the same book.
A poem written by Edward Toolman.
Toolman?
Wow.
Dick Smith?
and what, do you have any other good names?
Mm-hmm.
It was three months after Epstein, and both sides could agree,
wealthy pedophiles were still roaming free.
Ha ha ha.
His corpse was still warm, maybe even survived, and was not dead at all.
On an island, alive!
Was it him on the stretcher?
Do they think we're that dumb?
I texted my friends, ashamed of what I'd become.
But what did it matter?
The Anons had been right!
Apologies from their children they did wait for all night.
But the phones didn't ring.
The whole case, it would seem, instead of being solved, would turn into a meme.
That's it, said the Deep State.
They've taken the bait.
These mortals will settle for something to copy and paste.
So they posted on Twitter, even on Channel 12.
Thanks Greg.
Oh, and uh, Epstein did not kill himself.
Everyone laughed.
Both Maga and Libs.
While Jeffrey's accomplices still do bad things to kids.
Wow.
Elegant writing.
Giselle had been spotted at an in-and-out chain, but the pictures were faked. I said goodbye to my brain.
Laughter.
My eyes were now open, a careful observer.
I saw other celebrities become okay with murder.
I couldn't believe it.
I was sure I'd gone crazy, but two people, now dead, had accused Kevin Spacey.
The elite were now brazen.
They would do it in public when they realized the media would think nothing of it.
Except for one man.
He had pounded the streets.
He resembled a child.
His name was O'Keefe.
He had made it official.
He had made it official.
The Deep State had indeed squashed a story on Epstein over at ABC.
It would appear that the station did not want to spoil the delicate relations between them and the Royals.
It won't make a difference, the Satanists cheered.
Tomorrow a new bombshell will rattle their ears.
And lo, they were right.
A new story appeared.
A pathologist claimed it was as he feared.
The autopsy report was shockingly clear.
There was no way a suicide had taken place here.
But instead of agreeing on an Epstein referendum, both sides said their guy wasn't that good of friends with them.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
It's true.
He's literally wiping the spittle from his face and the mucus.
Justice is coming!
They screamed rather cluelessly as they downloaded today's stories from hat USB key.
Nope, definitely didn't add in.
Oh god.
Justice is coming!
Oh god.
Is this a joke?
What?
The hat always told them what they should believe.
It was worth the 150 they had borrowed from Steve.
The hat never lied.
It always agreed.
Same with the profits on Twitter and their 400 tweets.
A movie's been greenlit.
Awards it will receive.
And before long, the people will almost believe that the case had been solved.
That it died with epstine.
That the lesson was learned.
Stay away from the teens.
The conspiracy theorists had finally gotten one right.
Maybe not all the details, but still, a one fight.
They were happy to move on to the next big ticket item, Tulsi Gabbard, an asset.
And where's Hunter Biden?
And so Jeffrey Epstein, in our memory, fades.
We'll begin a new life back on Little St.
James.
And the desperate among us will ask, what does it mean?
And Travis will tell them, well, at least we've got memes.
And so, yes, a very sort of... Beautiful stuff.
It's in the style of the 17th century.
Very beautiful.
Impressions, I'd say.
Discovery, kind of.
Yeah, the precogs of the era.
Search for... I mean, you know, I think that the writer actually brings up this kind of interesting... So it's desperate search for nouns.
Point verbs.
Adjectives, perhaps.
I was gonna say I think the writer brings up an interesting point where it's like people are almost kind of sad it like it's become this sort of meme like oh and Epstein didn't kill himself and like all these things like my girlfriend sends me like Instagram posts where it's like roses are red violets are blue my house is a boat and Epstein didn't kill himself like it's like yeah oh Do you think?
Do you?
And it's almost as if that's good enough. Yeah, it's almost as if people are like, oh, ha ha ha
So we all like we all understand that like he was murdered and like but the reason that we mean is because we have no
power so circulating the information and Kind of co-opting it is a way for us both to cope
But also it shows the limits of what we're actually able to do in this case. Do you think I mean?
We should be in the streets. We should be at Home Depot.
Yeah, I'm saying do you think that deep state plotters?
Like the same way that they do with like alien stuff where they put out like disinformation
Do you think like maybe you mean they use the alien information to disinform to no no other stuff?
No, no.
Cause Edward Snowden looked for the aliens and they don't exist.
Stop.
Hold on.
It was hidden deeply.
It's too deep for Edward Snowden.
Okay.
Yeah.
Secure server in Hillary Clinton's basement.
Okay, so that's not what you meant.
So wait, what did you mean?
I mean that they hid the aliens.
I'm trying to figure, I'm actually trying to figure out what you're saying.
The government had a, there's a movie about it called like The Blue Project, Into the Blue or something like that.
It's all about the disinformation that the government actually did put out, like there was a task force that was That was their job was putting out disinformation into conspiracy theories about aliens for whatever reason because they were fucking covering up like secret technology and they were there the bombers in the plane right right right that's the actual so do you think that like maybe that the people who murdered Epstein like
Sort of like push the meme out so that they would be like no that that'll it'll get them talking about the meme and then and while and everybody will be laughing and liking their Instagram posts and retweeting their Twitter shit But nobody is really gonna fucking ask the questions of like why was no justice happened?
Why is the case fucking basically dead?
No, but I would argue that the Finders Trove was released at a very strange time, and I would also argue that the Epstein Trove was released at a strange time, too.
It's kind of early for the FBI to declass stuff about, like, when the fuck does the FBI declass?
I mean, it's a FOIA request answered, but we know FOIA can basically ignore you for months or give you selective information.
I mean, I think they're doing what they call a limited hangout.
Yeah, I think they're just kind of like letting it out to be like, ah, see, case closed.
Well, more like, yeah, you've gotten that content.
It's astroturfing.
You think you have content, but it just takes the place of the real story.
No, I think the whole Epstein didn't kill himself meme is organic.
I mean, I feel yeah, I feel like it comes from from a place of genuine frustration.
Like the people feel like they're being bullshitted.
They all appreciate it.
Yeah, so so we have this really simple meme that everyone can participate in say like, we know we're not getting the whole story.
Yeah, I don't fucking appreciate it.
I'm pissed.
I'm pissed that they keep lying to me about this motherfucker.
Mm-hmm.
Nice place called Home Depot.
We'll be taking a little field trip.
Listen, your Patreon money is gonna go to good use.
That's all I'll say because that's all I can say because Travis is looking at me like he might, uh, Home Depot me.
I can't anymore.
Jeffrey Epstein.
Liz Franczak is a writer and co-host of the TrueNone podcast.
Welcome to the show, Liz.
Hi!
Thanks so much for having me.
So we've been kind of covering the recently released recording of the ABC journalist by shit-eating mutant James O'Keefe.
What do you think about that entire thing?
It sucks that it went to Project Veritas.
Yeah.
But at the same time, like, I'm happy that it was leaked.
Like, very happy it was leaked, actually.
Um, it really reminded me of, did you, are you guys familiar with the Jimmy Savile case in the UK?
I've read some about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he was like a, like beloved national TV host who, and like philanthropist, like icon of Britain who also had like extremely close ties to 10 Downing, to the Royal family, but also the Vatican.
The NHS, and it came out shortly after he died that he had victimized, a conservative estimate would be about in the hundreds of children over decades.
Yeah.
And that like British institutions were covering up for it and enabling him, including institutions like the Crown and 10 Downing, right?
And the BBC, it came out that the BBC had shelved Or sort of sidelined a report on this before he died because of pressure that they received, right?
And there was a massive investigation into who was responsible for making that decision at the BBC.
I think that the same thing should happen here.
And I don't think it's an unreasonable thing for people to demand.
I think it's insane.
That to hear, I mean, just to hear, it's like we all knew.
I mean, that's the thing too about this stuff.
It's so frustrating because we all knew this was the case.
Of course everyone knew.
Everyone knew.
But to like hear it is really, I don't know, it's really upsetting to me.
Yeah of course and I mean we all knew about Graydon Carter as well I mean I wonder is there even I mean of course it would be good to watch this stuff like researched and kind of brought to light but we kind of that's the worst part maybe about Epstein is how visible it all is and how we just can't do a fucking thing about it.
Yeah I mean like Bill Maher has been joking about quote pedophile island for like a decade.
Yeah.
Like, you know, that's the thing that Brace and I on the podcast, like really stress because it comes up in like, when you start going back and looking at all of, even just like the society reporting, you mentioned Grady and Carter, but even the shit that was in Vanity Fair and other like profiles in the early nineties is like, this was all out in the open.
Everyone knew absolutely everyone knew someone contacted me recently and told me that.
In Manhattan, they referred to his apartment as the Veal Farm.
Oh my goodness.
That's great.
Like, in society's circles.
Yeah, it's like this fucked up meme that's like, like we were kind of talking about this during the episode.
It's like, what's so annoying about it is that it's like, it's this meme and like that sort of, you know, spreads awareness.
But it's also like, that's also kind of where it ends is that people like, ha ha, this is the thing that definitely happens that's fucked up.
And that's it.
Yeah, totally.
Do you think that mainstream media, their inability to properly cover Epstein, is it just cowardice in the face of money and power?
Or is there something darker at play there?
I think that material class interests manifest in different ways.
I wouldn't say that there's... I think that access and Um, like power or access to power, like it doesn't have to be explicit.
And it's sort of like, like, I don't think you, like, I don't think there's some like cartoon, um, like executive, like down the throat of every reporter being like, don't talk about this, you know?
But that's not how like soft power and access and like, Um, like dangling access and like what then it's like it doesn't take you like to like a lot of like steps to understand that if you talk about something the network and people don't want you to talk about like that risks your job.
Exactly.
I mean, it's like, it's just like second nature.
It doesn't even have to be like a decision that's even being made.
Do you get what I'm saying?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
I don't even, like, blame... I mean, you know, I kind of feel the same way about, like, when you talk about, like, the way the media covers Bernie Sanders, right?
Like, I don't think that it's necessarily that there's some, like, hub where there's a plot and phone calls are being made and, you know, deals are being struck or whatever.
I mean, in some ways, it's even more a testament to the power these people hold, that they don't even need to be that explicit.
Yeah, you just know that bringing it up would ruffle feathers you don't want to ruffle if you want to continue to have a career and a life that doesn't involve harassment and blacklisting.
Yeah, because there's been subtle warnings your entire career, like you mentioned something, and just after many, many years, you go like, alright, these are the things that I know I can't fuck with.
Right, not to mention like health care for your children.
Yeah, of course.
And so okay, so like the, you know, in the rollback tape that they played, one thing that came up was that there were photos, there's obviously also the interview that they did with Virginia Joffrey.
And do you think that that is just locked in the Disney vault forever?
Yeah.
We're just never gonna see any of that shit.
I don't think we're going to see any of it.
That's enraging.
The idea that all this material is just like sitting there.
A long interview that was painful to give had to fly out from Colorado to New York.
And it's just going to quite possibly just never see the light of day.
Because why?
Who are they protecting at this point?
I want to see those photos.
Yeah.
Do you think maybe that like Roebuck will like go rogue and just be like, Fuck it, like scorched earth, just like leave her job and then just become, become the fucking savior.
She's a company woman at the end of the day.
Yeah.
And when you see the interview, you can tell her biggest pet peeve is that someone got to it before her.
She wasn't the reporter.
Yeah, that was really telling.
That was interesting.
Yeah.
It was really more like, and now it's everywhere, which is funny because also it's not.
Yeah.
Like, you know, I think actually the reporting has, I mean, if she's, it's, you know, If she thinks that she could implicate Bill Clinton, that is not out there.
You know what I mean?
But that's something she'll say when someone's on a hot mic, but she won't say it in public.
She even went and towed the line for them afterwards.
Yeah, and then someone at CBS was just fired.
Did you see that?
Yeah, we saw that.
A little cross-network collusion.
Yeah, witch hunt collusion!
And there's also, you know, the kind of Dershowitz thing, the countersuit against Virginia Joffrey, the woman that was interviewed by Roebuck.
So, like, what is going on with him?
Are we ever going to see any justice?
And what do you think is next for him?
I don't know.
He seems like he's just going to, like, sue everyone.
Like, that seems to be his MO.
I mean, our suspicion is that they've kind of, like, cut him loose a long time ago.
Like, he's just, like, out on his own, I think.
Gotcha.
Does he have a support network anymore?
So he's using his legal connections and expertise to try and squash anyone who talks about him?
Yeah, totally.
Like, I don't really get the sense that, I mean, yeah, he doesn't I don't think he has a game plan.
I mean, he has a book coming out, a memoir coming out about, like, Me Too.
For fuck's sake, man.
Like, I don't think that... Yeah, he was supposed to do that, like... He was supposed to do a mock trial with Chris Christie about, like, is child slavery good?
You can guess which side he was taking.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean... Like, he doesn't seem to be the most self-aware man.
Yeah, I mean, just because Chris Christie has a 12-year-old's IQ, it doesn't mean he's a child, you know?
Do you think there was anything interesting that got released with the recently declassified FBI materials?
So, actually, I have a question, because when I was looking through that, I'm pretty sure that was the same stuff that already came out, right?
Like a couple months ago?
They just packaged it and released it as a vault?
I mean, I think that like somehow on social media it just kind of like picked up again, but this was stuff that I think came out shortly after he died.
Yeah.
But it was, you know, there was actually something interesting in that file that I haven't seen a lot of people talk about.
Although someone, when I was looking into it, someone has made a freedom of information request about it, but I'm sure that doesn't, you know, that doesn't mean anything.
But in that file, I mean it's mostly like redacted things, like everything is just like redacted basically.
There is like in the news, there's all these like files of newspaper clippings.
Did you guys see that?
And it's like, you know, stories from the Miami Herald and you know, whatever.
Right.
From the time.
But there was one clipping about Um, someone in Brussels who was arrested for child trafficking that I, I've never seen this man's name and I couldn't find anything on Google.
I don't have it in front of me.
I could look it up, but it's in the files and it is the only newspaper article that doesn't mention Epstein or like anyone, um, said in the, in the clipping that he used to be based in Miami.
So yeah, it's like a kind of a strange little blip there like a loose end.
It's it kind of reminds me of when they released that finders vault.
There was just like a couple pages on the tunnels under the McMartin school.
Right, yeah.
And it's just like unclear what the connection is.
It's like, oh, cool.
I mean, I kind of half think that these vault releases are both distractions in the case
of the finder stuff and then also limited hangouts in the case of the Epstein vault,
you know, it's like, yeah, oh, no, you already have it.
Like, what do you mean?
Like, it's being released, you know, and that's an easy line for them to use.
Yeah, I think like, um, conspiracy stuff aside, one thing that is interesting in the Epstein
stuff is it seems really clear that he used MySpace to like, target women.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I'm sure he had a top five.
Yeah.
No, but like, seriously, like there's like pages and pages of everyone's like MySpace profile, but like, and Jeffrey had one.
It's something important to think about when we kind of think about these websites now, I think.
What are they being used for by people like him?
Yeah, there was like a BBC or Al Jazeera story, I can't remember, that was looking at how Instagram is used for slave markets in the Middle East.
Yeah.
And it was like horrifying.
And Brace, I was like showing it to Brace and he was just casually like, Oh yeah, that's a big thing in Syria.
I was like, Jesus Christ.
But like this is, you know, they advertise and they'll buy ads, literally.
Wow.
On Instagram.
Young girl, $3,200.
Incredible.
I think all these fucking apps are just there's just child sex trafficking fucking apps disguised as other shit.
I think all our apps that we have are just apps.
It's like Facebook is surveillance disguised as social media, Instagram fucking child slave market disguised as fucking everybody wants to be a commercial for themselves or whatever.
Yeah, well, you've been selling yourself super black pill shit.
Yeah, like, like, You know, when you're like, wow, porn and D.O.D.
really built the Internet.
Just like very, very literally.
Jake has been putting a little price on himself like a used car, like what you write in the back window.
But nobody's buying on Instagram.
Yeah, that's why I'm that's why I'm a little bit salty.
Yeah.
I got to get better pics, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Come on.
Get some angles on.
Yeah, I got to get some good angles instead of that flat straight.
I really don't like Instagram.
I have a theory that Instagram is like the worst of all of them.
Yeah, it's trash.
Interesting.
Yeah, I was like that with, I thought Facebook was the worst for a while, but like, Instagram is its own sort of like insidious, sort of, yeah, the ads and everybody's commercial and it's so fucked.
I think it's also just that like, it's visually based, which already is going to like, It's basically teaching people to view the world as they wish the world looked, rather than how it actually is.
Right?
Because it's telling you how to curate your experience, your literal visual experience of the world, as you would like it to be.
And that's very dangerous.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't really go use it.
My Instagram's locked, too.
By the way, people, stop requesting me.
I'm not going to approve you.
Stop it.
Knock it off.
And I don't have Facebook, but that also means that I'm just constantly on Twitter.
Also a great place.
So you've been doing the podcast for a little while now.
From what you've examined so far, how credible do you think Epstein's intelligence connections are?
Uh, I mean, I think it's like pretty clear.
Well, first of all, it was confirmed by Alex Acosta, former labor secretary, who resigned when it came out that he was involved in the Epstein plea deal, the 2008, uh, you know, non-prosecution agreement where everyone, everyone, and also everyone unnamed got immunity.
Just like anyone could have immunity if they're at all related.
To any charges.
So what are, what are the credible agencies then?
What, what do you mean the credible agencies?
Connected to him, you know, what is it like, what, what picture would you paint of his connections?
Well, I would say that, you know, the, the man, first of all, the, the, the man who hired him for his first job, he dropped out of two colleges, uh, was William Barr, who was an ex OSS, which is the sort of You know, precursor to the CIA and I would, you know, remind people that no one retires from the CIA unless they die.
So, um, I find it highly unbelievable that, uh, like he was just rescued out of nowhere by an ex CIA agent and propped up in a Manhattan private school.
So you've got that.
And then from there he goes to, Bear Stearns.
So you go from, like, spook to finance, right?
To be a hedge fund manager.
And from there, you know, that's where he meets up with Les Wexner, right?
Who has his own ties to Israeli intelligence.
Yeah.
And then there's, of course, Isher Lane's dad, who died mysteriously on a yacht.
Yeah, I mean, his best friend and madam.
Her father is the most famous global spy in, like, literally history.
His funeral is attended by about a dozen, you know, ex-heads of Mossad and shit like that.
Mm-hmm.
Also, you know, Gillian's sisters, they, like, built out, or one of her sisters was the CEO of Kiliad, which is, like, an Israeli N.S.A., like, Israeli N.S.A.
managerial software company.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Built through their little startup incubator.
Yeah.
And, you know, Maxwell, of course, was tied up in the Promise scandal in the 80s.
So, I mean, I think, yeah, and that's not even, we haven't even talked about, like, the Clintons, you know?
So, like, I think the intelligence stuff Which by the way, it's on the record that he quote, belonged to intelligence.
That's what Alex Acosta was told.
Yeah.
So you got like CIA, obviously, um, you know, I don't, probably not FBI.
I don't know.
All the agencies are just at war with each other constantly.
So.
And so speaking of the Clintons, you bought Clinton in a Blue Dress print recently.
I did!
Tell us more.
That's actually for the live show.
Okay, yeah, in preparation.
Yeah, which we have coming up.
We have a bit of an intricate, some intricate set pieces that we're building.
It's less a live podcast and more of a, like, show.
We'll just put it that way.
Yeah.
But yeah, you can just get anything made on the internet.
So it's not going up on your wall is what you're trying to say?
No, I can't do that.
That's so creepy.
Could you imagine?
I'm like, hey, let's go hang out at my place.
It's just creepy that it exists.
Ceiling above the bed is where I'd put it.
Ew, that's disgusting.
I know it's so crazy that that was in his apartment.
Yeah.
Like what a sicko.
Yeah.
So you've been covering Epstein for a while.
What's the most surprising thing that's come up?
Like what how has your mind changed?
And how has it not changed?
Um, you'd be surprised how broken my brain was before.
But I mean, I would say, you know, learning that Ghislaine's nephew was a Hillary State Department appointee was a bit Concerning to me.
Whoa.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was like, that was like, a bit of a like, are you kidding me?
Like, are you fucking kidding me?
And so you'd say that there's there's something to that.
I mean, can you tell us a little more?
Or is that just a case of rich people giving each other jobs?
I don't think it's just rich.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, are there like 10 rich people because they all seem to know each other.
I find it It's very concerning that there are like two personal appointees that Hillary Clinton made to the State Department and he was one of them.
And he served also on the Friends of Libya and later on the Friends of Syria board, right?
These are groups, international groups, that were tasked with, I mean, Are you aware of what the State Department was involved with in those countries during that time?
Tell us a bit.
So, well, I mean, we, you know, we overthrew Libya, the Libyan government.
Libya is now a failed state.
It is one of the, you know, I'd say like global headquarters for human, child and organ trafficking.
Like, that is something we did.
Hillary Clinton oversaw that under President Obama.
And Ghislaine Maxwell's nephew was involved in it.
I believe there's a fair amount of genocide going on in Libya as well.
Absolutely!
I mean, it's an absolute fail.
I mean, it's run by warlords.
We don't talk about any of this.
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm sure that like – You don't hear any about that on the news.
Yeah.
It's not even just on the news but like I get really mad at the left.
This kind of relates to a lot of what you guys cover on your podcast because it's
like – and again, I feel the same way about the Project Veritas stuff.
It's like, how the hell are you letting the right wing capitalize on this?
Yeah, that's incredible.
The absolute failure.
A mix of failure, cowardice, and planned covering up, clearly.
Absolutely!
And it's like, this is your territory!
Why are you running cover for these people?
Yeah, because you are these people.
Like, just because you don't like... Well, yeah, but it... Well, yeah, I mean, that's really what it is.
I mean, to some extent, yeah.
It's like, you're just all liberals.
I was gonna say, the counterculture was long ago co-opted, you know?
I mean, that was one of the longest plans.
After the 60s, you know, a lot of people met and tried to figure out how to never let some of these things happen again.
And so, counterculture, you know, being Given handed on a platter to the right is is you know that this case of like cognitive dissonance where it's like no No, no, you may be experiencing the world as like an increasingly desperate place.
That's heading straight into a wall You know basically a chosen apocalypse, but no it's all in your mind actually we're fine you know that the history has ended and we're now like in a kind of a Totally.
capitalist evolution where we just need to keep tweaking it.
And so, you know, you've explored this as well, the managerial mindset that kind of
has led the counterculture to, you know, migrate to the right because after a while you're
failed by the liberals.
The only people expressing anger and screaming that the system is broken are people like
O'Keefe, even though they're wrong in so many ways.
Totally.
And I think also it shows you the real poverty of like culture war stuff.
It's like none of this stuff has meant any kind of real victories for the left if it's allowing the right to capitalize.
Like there should not be a world in which you let the right capitalize on like anti-war sentiment.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
And the thing that really gets me is that rather than doubling down and saying, yeah, we are anti-war, we oppose X, Y, and Z, right?
Whatever.
It's always couched in, well, we're not like those people.
We don't like them because X, Y, and Z. But we're also anti-war.
Don't even say that.
You know what I mean?
I don't know.
The left cannot remove itself from this culture warrior pose.
It's the death knell.
Yeah, the idea that you can kind of modify the aesthetic world around you and that the rest will follow suit is a misunderstanding of how power exists right now.
And I think that that has become counterculture.
Now you go out and you protest the end of the OA.
We've actually told people, no, protests are fine and great, just make sure that they're
safe and good, as in to modify a product so that you can feel more comfortable consuming
it.
Right, absolutely.
Even when it's identity politics, it's still a fucking product.
It's like the idea that the corporation is going to make a better movie the next time around so you can enjoy it more, and meanwhile nothing systemic is being addressed.
And that's because even protest itself has been completely co-opted over the course of 30 or 40 years of advertising to people.
Yeah, it's just a theme park of protest.
You're not actually pro, you're just going to the protest festival.
Exactly, a protest festival.
And there's a great fucking Jeff Rosenstock song about this called Festival Song that I encourage everybody to listen to.
And you know what?
It'll be playing at next year's protest festival because it will be co-opted.
Yeah, of course.
Everything sucks.
Nothing that's good has that.
People in the 60s didn't pretend Jimi Hendrix was activism.
Right.
It just fucking wasn't.
It just was, yeah.
It was music that accompanied real activist movements.
Right.
Right.
Yeah, it was just the soundtrack.
This is something that Zizek talks about a lot, you know, like how these sorts of, um, like, you know, all of these, this kind of, like, these, like, anxieties have been, like, sublimated into the, like, kind of culture, mass culture, like, you know, complex.
Yeah.
Marcuse warned about this as well.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, was tasked with writing about it, depending on what side of the aisle you're on, I suppose.
Right.
But, you know, this is like a total tangent, but this was like a real problem I had with the movie Joker.
Go on.
It was just like, it felt like very... First of all, I cannot believe that we live in a world where like the The most radical art is a Marvel movie about, like, a guy who's, like, mentally ill.
And dressed up as a clown.
Like, I have a real problem with that.
Do you know how many people are going to be... As of society.
Do you know how many people you're pissing off by calling the Joker Marvel?
Okay?
Oh, whatever.
You're doing crime against humanity right here, okay?
Yeah, guess what?
Suck it, nerd.
I don't give a shit.
Yeah, and not to mention that the movie was directed by the guy who did the Hangover movies who stopped doing comedy because he said that it had gotten too politically correct and that comedy was too policed.
And so his answer was to make the Joker movie and that is in the director's words was a commentary on the on the shortening of free speech in cinema.
Yeah, what a statement it will resound throughout the like history books will be written that this was a turning point Joker.
Mm hmm.
And the thing is, is that like, I really I was like, I was like, so ready.
I was like, all about Joker.
I like loved it as a meme.
I was like, I have like, kind of a weird I don't know.
I deeply emphasize with incels.
I know that sounds crazy.
But I see you and hear you all and you're valid.
But I don't like a lot of the discourse around this stuff.
It really bothers me.
But setting that stuff aside.
So I was all in on Joker.
And then I watched it and I like, I don't know if you guys saw it, I liked the first half and then it became like so abundantly clear how aware of itself it was.
And then it just sort of like, and this kind of goes back to what we're saying about the like protests that are safe and whatever, is that like, it was like, it was so aware of what it was attempting to do that it censored itself.
And it couldn't break out of it, you know?
And that might just be the fact that it is a corporate, like, malleable intellectual property, which is not talked about enough, and we should talk about, like, as, you know, as a culture, we need to talk about that.
But, like, so it just might be that, like, the medium, it's, like, or it's, like, function It's inherently limited just out of its mere existence.
But I started to really resent the movie because of it.
And then at the end, which was so... I mean, the ending is so stupid and silly and it looked so much... I said that it looked like a Pepsi-sponsored prestige television drama about Occupy Wall Street.
It was so cringe, as the kids say, and I just felt so bad for everyone involved that we were letting this be subversive Yeah.
Like, art.
Yeah, I mean, it processes its own subversion within the movie so that you can leave feeling like a conclusion is made.
The conclusion's already made for you, no need to do anything about anything that we brought up in here.
But I personally did like the end when the Joker gives a Pepsi to a cop and it solves Black Lives Matter.
I know, I kept waiting for Kendall Jenner to show up.
I know, and all my Lib friends who follow Judd Apatow on Twitter and shit are like, They're like, Oh man, like it was such an accurate representation of like all this like it did exactly what it was supposed to, which is exactly why it is the way that bothered you.
Because it's the statement is not being made by people who believe in it.
It's made by fucking white executives.
It's a fucking product.
Who have an idea that this kind of sentiment is popular in some way and they want to capitalize on it.
That's right.
It's a product.
End of fucking story.
It is a product.
End of story.
It's nothing more than a product.
Drink your fucking Pepsi, Julian.
Fuck you.
Okay.
No, clown world.
Real clown world hours.
Clown outlet.
Clown outlet.
Yeah, I look forward to Lady Joker and I think we're gonna get a lot done in the next few years.
Oh my god.
Honestly, if they don't cast me as Lady Joker, this whole thing was worth nothing.
For naught.
They considered you, but Kendall Jenner was going to be a better lady joker.
And she's already built into the Pepsi ethos, so it's fine.
A lot of people are obviously outraged at some of these developments around the Epstein case.
Is there a productive way to get involved with some of this?
I know that there's a group in New York that's been meeting.
I think they call themselves Epstein Truthers, which I think is cute.
And they've been, like, wanting to stage protests and stuff.
They went and, like, disrupted one of Hillary Clinton's book events.
Beautiful.
So you can check them out.
That's cool.
I don't really know, to be honest.
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to... Like, and I think it's, like, something to really think about.
Like, to put my cards on the table, like, I'm not an activist or an organizer, like, and I'm not really involved in a lot of, like, that stuff.
Grace certainly is.
I think that, to be honest, I don't really think there's any hope for a case happening, right?
Right, right.
But I do think that, and again, this is kind of what we're trying to do with the podcast, that it is radicalizing, I think, for people to understand this stuff.
It can be, or has that potential.
Right, yeah.
You know, like to really understand, like, not just the like, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you kind of like start early.
You don't want to like go straight into the CIA stuff, probably.
But, you know, one, the way that rich people escape justice, right?
Yeah.
Two, the way powerful people who also refuse to give you healthcare escape justice.
Like, all of it is connected politically and I think can be used to radicalize a lot of people.
I mean, it's striking, like, I don't know anyone who thinks that he killed himself.
Like, just normal people.
Yeah.
Like, not internet crazy people.
Like, normal people don't think he killed himself, you know?
And I think that that is, you kind of have to, like, go with, like, go with the flow a lot of times when you, when you, like, are Doing political work, I think?
Like, you can't just, like, force someone to read Marx.
No.
But, you can use this as a way to talk about decadent elites fucking, you know, ruining your life.
Yeah, this could be like a fissure that allows people to access class consciousness because of just how outrageous it is.
Yeah, a moment of dissensus, possibly.
Very cool.
You know, I think it would be nice if we had a kind of, like, vanguardism that could identify that and not let it get into the hands of the right, because right now that is what's happening.
I mean, it was like, Don Jr.
liked and Epstein didn't kill himself meme.
It's like, what the fuck is happening?
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah, we can't let that happen, that's for sure.
You can't!
And then, you know, you get these concern troll little teen malice, or whatever, that are like, well... It's like, no!
I don't know, whatever.
I'm just annoyed.
I'm paranoid.
Understandably.
Well, people can follow you at Liz Franczak.
That's L-I-Z underscore F-R-A-N-C-Z-A-K.
Good job having a name that complicated.
I know.
You got, hey, Polish pride.
Polish Pride.
Holler Me Too.
That's on Twitter.
Holler Me Too.
So they should also go listen to The True Anon Pod.
They can find that pretty much anywhere.
Podcasts are, you know, sold on a stall.
Podcast stall next to the fish and the apples.
Thanks a lot for joining us, Liz.
Thank you.
Any time.
Is there anything you'd like to tell the listeners before we let you go?
Oh, we have a live show coming up, which I mentioned.
It's November 21st.
If you live in the Bay Area, it's in San Francisco at the Makeout Room in the Michelin.
It's like 21st and Valencia, I think.
Great.
7 o'clock, but I would get there early.
Nice, yeah.
You want to get your seat in the pedosphere, in the pedo.
Yes!
The pedo ball.
Yes, the Epstein Extended Universe.
An infinite crossover.
All right.
Thanks a lot, Liz.
Thank you so much.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
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Hillary, I have to ask you a question that has been plaguing me for a while.
How did you kill Jeffrey Epstein?
Because you...
You're not in power, but you have all the power.
I really need to understand how you do what you do.
Because you seem to be behind everything nefarious, and yet you do not use it to become president.
What is the game plan?
Well, Trevor... But honestly, though, what does it feel like being the boogeyman of the right?
Well, it's a constant surprise to me, because the things they say, and now of course it's on steroids with being online, are so ridiculous, beyond any imagination that I could have, and yet they are so persistent in putting forth these crazy ideas and theories.
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