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May 10, 2022 - Dennis Prager Show
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How Important Is What You Say In Private
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Hey everybody, Dennis Prager here with Julie Hartman, the Dennis and Julie podcast.
I just want to tell you, you may know, I might have said this, I've been broadcasting for almost 40 years, never had a co-host.
That's how highly I think of Julie.
It's a delight to be with her each week, and I trust you feel similarly.
And I thought that was important to say.
And I'm going to throw it to you in a second, Julie.
I want to know what's on your mind.
We can discuss opening the show, opening the podcast.
Just want to get your completely spontaneous reaction to the photo I sent you of Donald Trump and me.
Wow.
Just to clarify for everyone, Dennis was at Mar-a-Lago over the weekend for the premiere of...
Two Thousand Mules.
Well, it's certainly, I mean, to have a photo with a former president, that's certainly a big deal.
I'm glad that you got that photo.
You know, it's interesting.
I don't really know how much we can dive into this.
I haven't seen the Dinesh D'Souza movie yet.
But the way that you talk about it, it sounds very powerful.
I really haven't done a lot of...
Thinking or research about what happened in the 2020 election, I want to ask you, what to you is so compelling about that movie, and why did you decide to be in it?
Well, those are two separate questions, actually, because I decided to be in it before I even saw it, really.
Not really, before I saw it.
So I'll answer part two first.
The Salem talk show hosts, Specifically, Eric Metaxas, Seb Gorka, Larry Elder, Charlie Kirk, and I were asked to participate in the film and to be completely open with regard to our feelings about the 2020 election.
And they would open with us and they would close with us and see if there was any metamorphosis with regard to the election.
After seeing the evidence in the film.
And I opened up saying I was agnostic.
I have said that from the beginning.
There were too many anomalies with regard to 2020. One of the most powerful being that if it was an honest election, it would be the first time in American history that an incumbent got more votes than he did the first time when he won and still lost.
That's dramatic, and I think in this case 10 million.
So there were many other anomalies that needed to be explained, but that's why I was agnostic.
On the other hand, I did not see any proof that there was enough fraud.
I always assume there's some fraud, especially in Democratic-run places, and I didn't think there was enough to, in fact, change the election, or I didn't know that there was enough.
Then I saw, and this is to answer part one of your question, this is really dramatic.
You see video after video after video after video of what are called mules, people who were paid by somebody, to put ballots in ballot boxes at three in the morning.
Now why would people do that if it was honest?
And when you see that over and over and multiply it by thousands, then you start to think, wow, we seem to have something compelling here with regard to the 2020 elections honesty.
So that's my answer in a nutshell.
Well, as I said, I haven't done a lot of research on it, so I'm agnostic as well.
But I think one of the points that you make, Dennis, on your radio show a lot and that I really agree with is it's not a bad thing to question it.
There are enough anomalies where a very good, reasonable person can say, hey, you know, what the heck is going on here?
But let me just tell you, if you even say anything close to that on the campus that I'm on now, you will just be annihilated.
You are removed from polite company.
Yes.
Meanwhile, back in 2016, the Democrats said that the election was rigged and infiltrated by the Russians and that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians.
And if people said that, no one would annihilate them.
But now, with all of these anomalies, again, I'm not saying that that's affirmative proof that the election was stolen.
I do think that...
There was probably some foul play.
I think there's foul play in almost every election.
But the point is, I think what's really concerning is that people now who raise concerns on the right are not treated the same as people on the left a few years ago who also raised concerns.
And I think a lot of that, Dennis, has to do with January 6th.
And I have to say, you know, you asked me...
Just a few seconds ago, what I thought of the Trump photo.
You know, it's so sad because I think Trump was, during his time in office, was one of the best presidents in modern history.
I think he did a lot of really good things.
Even just the other day, I was talking with some people about the First Step Act, which was his Prison Reform Act.
That the left just does not acknowledge that Trump brought into law.
Trump pardoned Alice Johnson, who was an African-American woman who I think got a life sentence in prison.
She just, she unfortunately had way longer of a sentence than her crime warranted.
And she had a perfect record of behavior in prison.
I think she led a Bible study.
She just, she was truly exemplary.
And Kim Kardashian found her story on Twitter and brought it to President Trump, and to his great credit, he pardoned her, and then he passed the First Step Act.
People on the left just fail to recognize that.
They fail to recognize that he moved the American embassy to Jerusalem and he was one of the biggest pro-Israel supporters.
They fail to recognize that under his policies, blacks and Hispanics did incredibly well economically, probably better than any preceding president for decades.
And no one will compliment those things.
But I will say, and I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on this, I do think the way that he ended the presidency was disgraceful.
I think January...
I just remember the video of him on January 6th saying to the people, we love you, go home.
I just...
I don't think that's right.
I don't think a president should be saying to people who have stormed the Capitol that he loves them.
What are your thoughts on that?
It's a very mixed bag.
Look, it's...
I was not happy with any of that.
Let me just say, first of all, It happened as I was leaving my own show.
So I go 9 to noon Pacific time.
So noon was 3 p.m.
in Washington, D.C. And it had just happened, the storming of the Capitol.
It just happened, and I condemned it immediately in my promo for the next day, not hearing anybody else.
Every Republican I know condemned it.
Unlike the staggering, far more destructive riots of 2020, which were virtually never condemned by the left.
I tuned out for four years of, for example, his tweets.
I don't think I actually followed any of his tweets, which is...
Atypical for one who supported him and doubly atypical for one in the media as I am.
I was only interested in what he did, not what he tweeted, not his form of speech.
By the way, he gave one of the greatest speeches in modern American history in Warsaw, Poland, about Western civilization, which, of course...
That was a great speech.
Yes.
I shouldn't be amazed, but it is remarkable that you even know about it.
Well, thanks to you, I know about it.
I think you talked about it on your show, and that's how I discovered it.
Well, I'm glad about that, too.
So, look, I thought that, and I may well be wrong, but my instinct was that his preoccupation with the election may have cost the Republicans Georgia.
And I said it at the time.
I said he should just be talking about Georgia, not about the election.
I said it at the time, and I think I turned out to be right.
He has been fixated on this, and look, to a certain extent, it's understandable if you truly believe you were cheated out of an election, and you have all these reasons that are not irrational to do so, like those anomalies that I mentioned earlier, and there are many more than that.
I mean, for example, I don't remember how many it is, something like 19...
Swing districts that almost always predict who will win a presidential election.
Bellwether counties, yes.
Bellwether counties, yes, not districts, right.
And he won, I think, like 17 of the 19. I mean, it's just one after another.
So, look.
I said at the beginning, as soon as they called it an insurrection, it's the first unarmed insurrection in the history of insurrections.
Please, they're using it like the Germans used the Reichstag fire to take more and more power by claiming that they were just saving the country.
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Well, I'll tell you what is the most damning, I think.
They have thousands of hours of video, the government, the Biden administration.
They will not release.
Why not?
Why can't we see everything that happened that day?
Wouldn't you think that the people who called it an insurrection would want the American people to see as much as possible?
Look, I mean, I think we can all agree that it was a horrible event.
I agree with you.
It wasn't an insurrection.
I just, going back to Trump, the thing that...
What angers me is I just think to myself, again, he did such good as president.
And sometimes I think that he just, he really just harms himself.
He just needs to shut his mouth.
No, I couldn't agree more.
I felt that from the beginning.
That's right.
There are so many people, myself included, who wanted to root for him because he did do a lot of good.
And one of the things that I really did admire about him the most, even though I think a lot of his personal behavior was just reprehensible, he had...
Really the unique ability to just look the American people in the eye and look at the media and say, like, I remember one time he was at a rally and he pointed to the back of, like, CNN and all of those liberal news channels and he went, look at you fake news media outlets.
And that, I have to say, when you watch him do that, it is so invigorating.
It feels like such justice.
And that was the thing that made him so unique.
He was just, he had no shame, for better or for worse.
And a lot of the times it was for the worse.
He had no shame, as we know from that horrible recording that he said was a locker room talk when he bragged about sexually assaulting women.
I mean, again, there are many bad parts of him.
But it was a really great thing that he had such courage to do that.
And again, I just wish he didn't take it so far.
And I think he went too far on January 6th.
And now I think, you know, coming up in 2024, if he runs again, I don't want him to run again, Dennis.
I don't think it would be good for the country.
I think the movement needs to be greater than him.
And I don't trust his judgment.
I agree with you, in fact.
When I met with him for the very brief time I did this week, and I said to him, I thought he was the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln.
That's what I believe.
And had we had an hour together and not a minute, or two minutes, whatever it was, I would have privately said that to him, that he could truly achieve greatness if he were not to run and say, I need the country to unite against the woke and the left, which is the same thing.
And not be preoccupied with me.
It needs to be preoccupied with the damage being done by the left.
If he would say that, history would record him as a great man.
Almost like Washington refusing to be king.
But he's going to run.
And look, maybe he won't win the nomination.
I don't know.
So, I don't see why it's...
All that difficult to chew gum and walk at the same time, to think he was the greatest president of the modern era and not want him to run in 2020, what is it, 2024. Right.
It's interesting.
I don't know if we discussed this, but that we have the same vision of it.
By the way, I finally differ with you.
I don't think that his private remarks about women matter in the least.
I have a very strong position on this, that what people say in private is of no interest to me.
I only care what people say publicly and what people do.
I'm a Jew.
If somebody says to his friend, you know, I really can't stand Jews, and never says it publicly and never does anything anti-Jewish in his life, then what do I care?
I view the human being as a pressure cooker.
And if you can't release the pressure innocuously, it will blow up the pressure cooker.
You need a release.
Private talk is a release.
There is no human alive who would look great.
If every single thing they said privately were let out.
So I do have very strong beliefs that that did not reveal anything.
Well, I agree with you to an extent.
I do think that, look, I wouldn't not vote for him because of those remarks.
When I heard those remarks, I was sick to my stomach.
I thought they were awful.
I thought they were disgusting.
But at the same time...
I can also separate those remarks from him as a politician and him as someone who would do a lot of good as president, and that would not be my reason for not voting for him.
A lot of people said, oh, these remarks prove that he's unfit to be president.
That's where I disagree.
And I do hear where you're coming from.
I agree with you that it matters far more what people do than what they say publicly.
Saying publicly is very important.
But still, I think we can both agree that those comments were...
Yeah, well, okay.
So here, for obvious reasons, you have never been in a men's locker room.
No, I have not.
Exactly.
I'm not sure you would date another man if you did.
Oh, no.
Really?
Yes, and it doesn't mean anything.
That's the point.
It doesn't mean anything.
Well, you know, so this is interesting.
I think I really, to a large extent, understand where you're coming from.
People behind closed doors say things that are not great.
Everyone does it.
You need to let off steam.
Sometimes you just need to say things that you don't necessarily believe.
That's part of human nature.
But I don't think it should be dismissed.
I think what you do say, I mean, there's this...
I think it's kind of a trite saying that I came across a few years ago, but I do think of it often.
It was something along the lines of, watch your thoughts because they become your words.
Watch your words because they become your actions.
And sometimes throughout the day, if I encounter someone who I dislike and I have a mean thought about them, sometimes I remind myself, okay, it's not that I... I'm not perfect.
It's not that I'm not going to have a mean thought about someone.
It's not that I shouldn't have a mean thought about someone.
But I'm very careful in my mind with how far I take it.
Because I don't want to train my brain to think that way.
Because I really do think if I start thinking that way, then, apropos of the saying, I will speak that way.
And if I speak that way, then I'll channel that into action.
I love this topic.
This was completely spontaneous.
Yes, I know.
We're going to talk about abortion.
Right, but I'm actually thrilled because this is so real.
This is just so real.
So, there is a very well-known saying in Hebrew.
And as you know, and many of those watching or listening would know, I attended yeshiva, which is intense religious Jewish study, until I was 19. And half the day was in Hebrew, half was in English.
I studied basically what one would to become a rabbi.
So I studied it a lot.
I know Judaism very well, and there is a very famous saying.
I'll just say it, obviously, in English.
It is not the thought that counts, but the deed.
I was raised on that.
And that is one of the things I love about Judaism, that it's so preoccupied with what you do rather than how you think, that it allows the mind to live in great freedom.
And I have appreciated that very much.
To take an innocuous example, I have very awful thoughts about people who drive slowly in the left lane, let alone slowly in the diamond lane.
By the way, just for the listeners, Dennis is an incredibly fast driver.
I have to expose him here.
We would drive from the studio to his house after the radio tapings.
And it brought Julie closer to God.
Oh, my God.
I called him one time, and I've never yelled at you.
I remember I said, you have to slow down.
You're going to kill yourself.
What are you doing?
Anyways, just had to throw that in there.
Yes, I understand.
But I totally am at peace with my awful thoughts about slow drivers in the left-hand lane.
I'll give you a more serious example, but still not in the realm of evil.
I try to control my assessments of people who still wear masks because I try to think, well, maybe they're afraid for their elderly grandmother whom they live with.
And that's why they're doing it.
So I sometimes try to give them the benefit of the doubt even though I truly believe that they are truly hypochondriacs.
But I wouldn't walk over to somebody and say, you're a hypochondriac.
I mean, obviously.
I think that letting the mind go where it wants...
Now, if your mind goes to molesting children, I agree with you.
I mean, there are realms of evil where the mind shouldn't go because...
Who knows what it might lead to?
But beyond that, I generally think that the thought issue, like the private speech issue...
By the way, I just want to tell you, Julie, so that I become as precise as possible.
Male talk among males, you know, what's called locker room talk...
Women don't generally, I don't believe, I've never been in a women's locker room, I don't think they talk about men in the same way that men, and it's not disparaging, it's simply sexualizing of females, that men do more than women do about men, maybe certainly beyond the age of, let's say, 23 or 25. But I will tell you, for whatever it's worth, I didn't speak like this to other guys.
And my reason was I had a religious upbringing, which did teach me that speech mattered, despite everything that I just said, even private speech.
And I also had a lot of dignity, and I never liked to violate my dignity.
I know this sounds...
I'm being very open to you and to...
The listeners, but despite what I said about locker room talk, it was not my form of speech either.
But nevertheless, I stand by my original statement that overwhelmingly what people say in private is not something the rest of us should judge.
What he said was, when you get famous or something like that, I don't remember the exact quote.
You can do whatever you want.
Yes.
Well, no, no, no.
They let you do.
Whatever you want.
That's very important.
People forget that.
And by the way, there's a lot of truth to that.
Women are very seduced by fame and by power and by money.
Fame, power, and money does to women, for the most part, what beauty does to men.
Ironically, what he said was not untrue.
Why do athletes have groupies waiting for them outside their locker rooms after they leave the game?
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Enter the promo code I was just going to say, you said a few seconds ago, you know, if someone's thinking about molesting a child, that's one thing.
They shouldn't be thinking that.
But isn't there no difference between thinking about molesting a child and thinking about molesting an adult?
I mean, obviously, I think it's a bit worse to molest a child because a child is truly defenseless.
But what is the difference there?
Well, as I said, it's not really what he said.
He said they let you.
Well, then he said that he can grab them by the you-know-what.
And they let you.
Right.
But that's not okay.
No, okay.
But to the best of my knowledge, he wasn't doing it.
I mean, if he did it, then he should be charged with sexual violence.
Obviously.
So what if he said, well, you know, when you're an adult, children let you do whatever they want.
Well, but children are not adults.
So we clearly...
As you pointed out, we can't make a parallel.
Children will let you do whatever they want, but children are not the deciders of what is done to them.
Right, but I think also if a woman is being taken advantage of, they're not the deciders.
How do you know, in his scenario of a very famous, very powerful, very wealthy man, and his claim that you can grab them where you want and they let you do it, So, first of all, of course a lot of women wouldn't, and to the best of my knowledge, he has not been found guilty of ever doing that.
I mean, women make charges, but that's not here or there.
Sometimes they're true, sometimes they're not true.
The most famous man in the world is going to be probably lied about on occasion.
But we have no evidence that he actually did that.
We have no proof, certainly, that he ever did that.
None of us would defend him if he did do that.
But his claim was that if you reach a certain level of fame and power and fortune, that you can grab them.
Now, it's vulgar, it's coarse, all of those things, but it's a private statement, and it's not completely false.
I, you know, I don't know what to say.
Our difference here is partially male-female.
Male, it's a very difficult subject.
I'm one of the few who publicly really addresses it, honestly.
Male sexuality is pretty much animalistic.
And that is why if your husband or boyfriend...
As an honorable man in the sexual realm, you have found a good man.
When men are free to act upon their nature, it's a very unpretty scene.
That's why parents know you have to train boys to control two things, their violent nature and their sexual predatory nature.
Those are not two things you have to teach girls.
You have to teach girls to control their emotional nature, which very few parents do.
They think girls are sweethearts.
But yes, I fully acknowledge that this is male nature, and that's why a good man is a treasure.
But I do believe that that's part of why we're not in complete accord here.
Well, I think it's very interesting, and I agree with you, that men have to control their violent and sexual natures.
What are the things that you think women have to control?
What are the counterparts for females?
Well, I think we're seeing the results of girls being treated as princesses and not being told to control.
The number of hysterical women in this society is very scary.
Very scary.
I remember when, was it the Kavanaugh hearings?
I don't remember.
I think it was.
And these women were screaming.
I mean, just screaming like they were being tortured.
Banging on the Supreme Court doors.
And then all of these, the females involved in so many of the protests and screaming.
I looked at pictures of many of these BLM protests, and it always seemed, in every picture I saw, young women outnumbered men.
And the number of women, I mean, this is ironically what you were going to talk about when we didn't say a word about it.
But there's hysteria on the part of a lot of women on the abortion issue.
It's hysteria.
I totally understand why a person would be pro-choice.
Well, I don't totally.
I take that back.
I mean, if you're for pro-choice through the ninth month, I don't understand.
There's no moral basis for that position.
But it's true.
There's hysteria.
So women need to control their hormones like men have to control their hormones, but they both express themselves in different ways.
Men, through violence and sexual predatory behavior.
Women, through irrationality and hysteria.
That's why they're emotions, yes.
That's why hysteria comes from the uterus.
Like a hysterectomy is the removal of a uterus.
Hysteria is identified with the female.
That's fascinating.
I think you're right about that.
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I was in a religious school, and like kids who are in a religious Christian school, you're taught that the thing you have the most control is you.
You are the source of your problems, and the left teaches kids that America is the source of their problems.
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You're right that one of the principal features of the left is that they externalize things.
The other day I was walking down the street and I saw a car parked outside of one of the dorms and there was this bumper sticker on it that said, fight racism, fight sexism, fight homophobia.
And I thought that that was so interesting because, again, it's externalizing things.
The religious or conservative equivalent of that bumper sticker would be, fight yourself.
That's it.
That's everything.
In a nutshell, that's everything.
See, on the left, you feel moral by saying how crappy others are.
In Judeo-Christian teaching, you know how crappy your nature is.
It's 180 degrees different.
Yes.
Fight homophobia.
Where exactly is the homophobia today?
How come I don't...
I am still for the belief that marriage is between a man and a woman.
But I am the...
My wife and I are godparents to a gay couple's children.
In other words, if they die, we are their moral instructors.
Now, why would a gay couple allow a guy who believes that marriage is male-female and they're married to have me?
Because they know there isn't an ounce of homophobia in me.
I believe in an ideal.
I have a biblical belief the ideal is that man and a woman marry.
So therefore what?
That makes me homophobic?
Yes, to the simpletons, and every leftist is a simpleton.
That makes you homophobic.
You can't have a position with which they differ.
So I'm curious, if I say that it's ideal for a child to have a mother and father, am I single-parent phobic?
I married a single mother.
You become a simpleton the day you accept any leftist position.
Well, it's so interesting because I actually had a conversation the other day with one of my roommates about the presence of racism.
And I said, she was talking about, it's so funny because I hear a lot of people on this campus, they talk about the South like it's a foreign country or like we're in the Middle Ages or something.
They love to like make Southern people, Southern conservatives, excuse me, into caricatures.
And we were having this debate, and I said, you know, of course I think racism exists.
Of course I think homophobia exists, all these terrible things.
Of course I do.
But we talk about them like they are everywhere.
And I said to her, with all due respect, have you ever witnessed racism?
Have you ever...
Witnessed homophobia.
And she said, well, there are all these people in the South that believe that blacks are inherently inferior.
And I said to her, again, have you personally encountered them?
In your 22 years of life, have you encountered them?
And that's the question that I go around and ask people whenever they bring up these things that they claim to be so prevalent.
I bring it back to them, and I go, okay, well, if it's so prevalent, please tell me an instance where you have seen this.
And they can never, ever, ever provide it.
Was she white or black?
She's white.
So I have had this with black callers all of my career, where somebody will call me and say, Dennis, I'm black, and I want you to know, you know, you don't walk in our shoes.
I don't walk in anybody else's shoes, so it doesn't mean anything.
Oh man, I'm sorry.
Keep hitting my microphone.
And you don't realize, Dennis, that every day we experience racism.
So I've had a standard answer for decades.
I say, okay, I hear you and I trust you, so I will trust you with your answer.
Tell me the racist incident that you experience today.
Invariably, the answer is, well, the day isn't over yet.
So I go, okay, fine.
Yesterday is over.
Tell me the racist incident you experienced yesterday.
And they can't.
And I go, the last week.
And they can't.
Or, on rare occasions, I will get the rude treatment that somebody in a store gave me.
And I'll say, how do you know it's because you're black?
How do you know they're just not rude?
I'm treated rudely on occasion, and I'm white.
Right.
And they don't know that.
But they have been, I think it's a matter of being taught that should there be any tension between you and a non-black, it is because of racism.
George Floyd was not killed because of racism.
And that is Keith Ellenson's position.
The left wing.
Black activist attorney general of Minnesota said it was not racist.
That's why we didn't charge Derek Chauvin with racism.
But nobody knows that.
We had riots for half a year because of a lie.
A lie.
Well, Derek Chauvin and George Floyd knew each other before, weren't they?
Bouncers together at a nightclub or they work somewhere together and they had a contentious relationship.
And I had a debate with someone about this and they said, well, again, you know, of course it's because Floyd was black.
And I said, well, is it possible that they just didn't like each other from a person to person level as opposed to a white man versus black man level?
It's inconceivable to people on the left that you could have disagreements that are not rooted in someone's identity.
What is it going to be like for you to go from an environment where almost nobody agrees with you to an environment where we all agree with you?
Well, I'm going to throw that back to you, Dennis, because you had that.
You went to Brooklyn College in Columbia, and you talk to me all the time about how lonely you felt in these places, and then you entered the conservative religious media world.
So you tell me, what is that transition like?
This is also a question I'll add on top of this, because I think about this.
As much as I dislike being in an environment where I am the only one, I shouldn't say the only one, one of the only ones with my values, I do think it makes me better because constantly, every single day, I am challenged.
And that allows me to sharpen my points of view, to clarify things, to see problems.
It's been invaluable to this podcast.
And I do worry that when I go into the conservative media space, although people, of course, are very nuanced and we talk about the other side a lot, you know, I know I'm going to be around people who overwhelmingly agree with me.
So how do you maintain the awareness of the other side?
Well, I maintain the awareness of the other side through the media.
I spend at least half my time reading stuff that I don't agree with, and a fair amount of time reading stuff that just attacks me personally.
So I'm in that world a lot.
By the way, just for your edification, and I don't think there would be any way you would know this, until...
Much later in my life, I never had a community.
I had individuals, but I never had a community that agreed with me.
This is new, like when you come here and you'll have folks at Salem and at PragerU.
There is a community ready-made for your values, but I never had that.
I fought alone pretty much most of my life.
I was not...
Fully alone, because I had so many wonderful friends, many of whom you know.
But I never had a community.
I didn't have one, obviously, at college, as you don't.
But even after that, I was brought out to California to head a very large Jewish institution at the age of 25. And the board of directors couldn't stand me.
I was incredibly successful at the work.
I sort of, I think I tripled the membership.
We had a thousand people come out all the way to Simi Valley, California from L.A. for a Sabbath afternoon, lectures and dinner, and it was an amazing thing.
And I had college students come in the summer, one for July four weeks, one for August four weeks, but they couldn't stand me because they were all liberal.
I have fought all of my life.
And it's fine.
This is not a complaint in the least.
But I didn't have a community like, thank God, you will have when you come back to California.
Ironically, California of all places has this thriving conservative community.
So I really have fought.
You're right about it strengthening you.
What is Nietzsche's line?
That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
It's usually true, but it's not always true.
There are things that don't kill people that are weakening.
But that's a separate subject.
Well, we did finally get in a little bit of what you actually had anticipated, but this was just a joy.
Folks, if you're watching or listening, all I ask you is to please forward these broadcasts or these podcasts, I should say.
I always think in radio terms.
To friends and especially young people because what is said is so relevant to their lives and especially coming from people of such different generations.
It's good stuff, Jules.
Great stuff.
Yeah, tell people how to reach you.
Yes, you can reach me at julie-hartman.com.
Last episode, I told you all that I had a listener email me that when I've been talking about my website, I've been saying julie-hartman.com, and it's julie-hartman.com, so thank you very much to whoever told me that, and please write in with your questions.
We do get a lot of them.
I know I say this every time.
We'll have to talk about some of them next time.
But Dennis, it's a good thing, but we always just have too much to cover in this 35th episode.
That's exactly right.
Yes.
And they get longer each week.
They do.
As a result.
Okay.
Great to be with you.
We're the cities in the flames.
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