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May 3, 2022 - Dennis Prager Show
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Know Who You Are
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Hi everybody, Dennis Prager here.
It's the Dennis and Julie podcast.
Dennis Prager and Julie Hartman.
It's not a likely podcast.
Julie, is that fair to say?
Very fair to say.
I'm sure there's nothing like it in the country.
The age difference, opposite sex, it's very special.
Delighted to do it every week with Julie, everybody.
And I welcome you, and I strongly recommend that you share these Dennis and Julie podcasts, especially with young people.
So, I know you have a few things on your mind, Julie, but I had something spontaneously enter my brain just before we went on, when Sean said he loves us both.
That was very sweet.
It was very sweet.
Sean is occasionally quite sweet.
So I was thinking, do you get any feedback from peers?
Like, what are you doing?
Or what is this like?
I'm just curious because it's so different.
Do any people your age comment to you?
Oh, absolutely.
I get that a lot.
And, you know, for how woke and liberal Harvard is, I really do have a lot of people coming up to me and saying that they admire me for what I'm doing, even if they disagree with me.
And especially because we're entering our final three weeks of college, I've had people say to me, How have you found the courage to do this so publicly?
And how have you found the courage to do what you really want to do?
Dennis, we've talked about this a lot off the air, but also on this podcast, that I've noticed at a place like Harvard, there's a lot of pressure to follow the prescribed path and for people to go to where they think is going to impress.
Their parents or their peers or just the people around them.
As I've mentioned, a lot of my friends are going into finance.
And I think that all of us are sort of having an, oh my God, we're about to launch into the real world moment.
And so I've noticed that a lot more people have been coming to me and asking me how I have found the courage.
And what I say to them is, I don't want to have a miserable life.
I mean, it's not exactly a pearl of wisdom that I'm offering here, but...
As corny as it sounds, you only live once.
Well, it is a pearl of wisdom.
Because people think courage will ruin their lives, otherwise they'd be courageous.
Right.
You have completely turned the tables on people's thinking.
The only reason people aren't courageous is because they're afraid of the consequences that courage will bring.
Oh, you speak out, you'll be...
You're the nail that sticks out and the hammer will hit you back.
Or hit you down.
Bang you down.
There's some Japanese phrase to that way.
The nail that sticks out gets banged down.
So there's a lot of conformity in Asian cultures because of that view.
But your desire to be a happier human and therefore you have had courage is entirely accurate and entirely counterintuitive.
Well, you know, I think if I had to distill the secret to life into one sentence, it would be know who you are and live accordingly.
And I know that I have this in me.
I know that I have conservative beliefs.
I know that I cannot stay silent when I notice things around me that don't seem right.
I'm not going to suppress that part of me because I'm afraid of the opinions of others.
This is what I say to my peers all the time.
They say, oh my gosh, it must be so hard because you're outwardly conservative and you must have lost friends.
And I said, yeah, you're right.
I have lost friends.
And that's been painful.
But in the long run, it actually has been the best thing that could have happened to me because it has weeded out the people in my life who don't need to be in it.
By the way, is that a word, weeded out?
I don't really think it is.
That's funny.
I don't know why it wouldn't be.
You don't weed in.
So, I'm a big stickler.
By the way, talking about that, this is apropos of nothing, but I thought of it because I said I'm a big stickler for English correctness.
The Wall Street Journal had an editorial last week, and it said, understated, Oh, really?
Yeah, and it actually bugged me because that's the Wall Street Journal.
They said something, oh, it cannot be understated.
They meant overstated.
I don't think people know the difference between overstate and understate.
Probably not.
Oh, by the way, I got you on one.
I forgot to tell you.
I know.
Look, you speak magnificently.
That's the only reason I feel...
Even free to say this.
Everybody knows that.
You said this one now.
It shows me the fact that you said this shows me how the mistake has gotten into normative speech in regards to.
Regards is give my regards to your parents if you see them.
You're right.
You're right.
You know, another one that you...
Oh, actually, I want to give a shout-out to one of our listeners.
One of them emailed me.
I cannot remember his name.
I apologize.
But he said that when I'm publicizing my website, I say that it's julie-hartman.com.
And he said, actually, you should say it's julie-hartman.com.
Oh, that's good.
I didn't even catch that.
I know.
So keep them coming.
By the way, Julie, now you know this is a serious point.
Well, the others were semi-serious.
But the serious point is how much I have learned from listeners over these decades.
Do you know there's...
You'll love this.
Did you ever hear of the term collective wisdom?
No.
Okay.
It's a term, collective wisdom, that...
There is more wisdom in a large group than in any given individual.
And I know that to be true because I know how much I've learned from my relatively large audience.
Millions of people is a large audience.
Okay.
So listen to this.
This will blow your mind.
I think the experiment was done with jelly beans.
It's a sort of proverbial thing.
How many jelly beans are in a jar?
They asked a whole bunch of people to give the number.
Nobody got it precisely, but the average of all the answers was the closest to the actual number.
Oh, really?
Isn't that mind-blowing?
It is.
That's a great piece of evidence for what you're saying.
Yes, exactly.
You're so right, Dennis.
Even just the people that have written in to me when I... I'm on your show, you know, on the radio or just through this podcast or when I went on to Carl Jackson's show the other day and they will recommend books or they'll say, hey, you know, this point could have been improved if you brought up this example.
You're so right.
It is something that I didn't really know would come with this job and I'm delighted that it has.
Yeah, it's a big deal.
So, now let's move to some of the issues on your mind at Harvard itself.
Well, the one I have has been in the news a lot in the past week.
I think it was just launched a week ago today, and it's Harvard's Legacy of Slavery Initiative.
For those who are unaware, Harvard just published a 134-page report investigating its ties to slavery, and it tragically found that Harvard faculty and staff enslaved 70 individuals.
But what it's doing, this Legacy of Slavery Initiative, It's pledging $100 million to redress the wrongs of slavery, and some of the ways that they're funneling this money, they claim, is to trace the modern-day descendants of slaves.
They want to build more memorials and bring more curriculum to...
Our school that's centered around slavery and race.
They want to create exchange programs between Harvard and historically black colleges and universities.
And they also said that they'll send that money towards improving schools in the American South and West Indies.
And there's an entire website, Dennis, dedicated to this initiative.
In fact, there are...
What is the name of the website?
I believe it's just the Legacy of Slavery.
Legacyofslavery.harvard.edu, I actually think is what it is.
And they have a video, about a 25-minute long video, which we have to discuss, Dennis.
I'm sorry to say it.
It is a total propaganda film.
And they have discussion questions for the video and for the report.
So before I get into my strong opinions about this, I'm wondering, Dennis, what are your initial reactions?
Well, let me suppress some of the language that has entered my mind.
I looked it up while you were talking.
Harvard and the Legacy of Slavery.
Harvard and the Legacy of Slavery Initiative, an introduction from President Larry Bacow.
Is that the president of Harvard?
Yes.
Larry Bacow?
I had no idea.
Who is he?
I believe he was the president of Tufts University before he came here.
And I think he's the first Jewish president of Harvard.
Well, let me say, as a Jew, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me.
I'm going to go back to slavery and Harvard in a moment.
What I just said, though, is pregnant with importance.
It doesn't sound it, but it is.
I don't give a damn whenever I hear the first Jew.
X, Y, or Z. It means nothing to me.
I think we have gone out of our minds on this issue.
The first black woman on the Supreme Court.
So I always, I've asked my whole life, what difference does that make in the life of 99% of black women?
Will they have a happier life?
Will it help in any domestic problem, any mental issue, any emotional issue?
What will it do?
Will it so fill black women with pride that it will just give them a boost in their step as they go through life?
Asians have the fewest politicians in high power.
They're the most successful ethnic group in the United States.
There is no correlation between the success of individuals of a group and the success of the group.
Zero correlation.
It's a gigantic falsehood.
And so, you know, if there's a Jew who will become the president of the University of Alabama and will be the first, will it affect the Prager home?
No.
Well, you're absolutely right.
I have to tell you, Dennis, this really funny thing.
So I'm on Instagram.
I actually, the other day, just as an aside, deleted Instagram because I think that social media is just so toxic.
And anyways, I digress.
So I've gotten rid of that.
But I have been on Instagram for some time now.
I remember seeing all of these posts.
It's really proliferated in the past year or two where people are going, oh, this is the first woman, this is the first black woman, this is the first da-da-da.
And it has gotten to so minute, Dennis, that people will post when it is the first woman who was born in Kentucky who eats a Hershey bar every morning, who has three brothers, and she's the first one to, you know, purchase.
So Julie...
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So at my bar mitzvah, I got obviously a whole bunch of gifts.
One of the gifts, in fact, ironically, one of the only ones I remember because of this, one of the gifts was a book titled Great Jews in Sports.
So one of the things I remember was it was pretty thin.
Number two, big print.
Number three, big pictures.
There are some great Jews in sports, but in sports, Jews don't comprise a very large section in the ethnic groups of sport greats.
Okay.
But I remember, and this shows you how...
I think most people, but I'm not sure.
Certainly I could say I was me at 13. My reaction was, what the hell do I care?
I remember that vividly.
And I came from a religious, active Jewish home.
I mean, I wasn't a marginal Jew.
It was the fabric of my life.
But I remember thinking, so I remember one of the pages was a boxer.
He was a lightweight champion, Benny Leonard.
And I have only respect for Benny Leonard's achievement, but I couldn't care less that there was a Jewish lightweight boxing champion.
What difference did it make?
And so, isn't that interesting that even at 13, this stuff didn't do anything for me?
I mean, we're getting so far off topic, but I love it.
I think it's great.
It doesn't shock me, Dennis.
You actually told me this point, and I've been reflecting on it so much lately.
I think people really do have natures.
It doesn't shock me that you had that wisdom at such a young age.
Frankly, even though I... Say that I only recently became a conservative.
I think maybe the more accurate thing to say is that I more recently sort of like had the terminology of conservatism to assign the beliefs that I had.
I've always had the wisdom that I have now.
I believe that.
I believe that.
But the clarity is what you got later.
Yes, absolutely.
That's very fair.
I love that subject of natures.
Anyway, I love the digressions.
I do that all the time in speeches, and then I go back.
Yeah, it's fun.
And it's real.
That's how people speak.
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But back to Harvard and slavery.
So I'm not quite clear.
There were Harvard faculty, 65 members, as I think you said, who had slaves, obviously in the 19th century.
They were, sorry, just to interrupt you, just to correct, they said that they didn't specify the number of faculty, but they said that between them, 70 slaves.
Oh, 70 slaves, not slave owners, right.
Probably much fewer slave owners, because many had...
More than one.
Okay.
What on God's earth does that have to do with Harvard and blacks today?
I know.
No, no, I'm...
Sorry.
I love the way you responded.
Nothing.
It's exactly right.
Nothing.
Don't make me laugh, Dennis.
I have a cough.
Right.
I know.
It's a problem.
Excuse me.
Sorry to the listeners.
This is real.
My cough.
Enjoy.
Right.
Everything about this is real.
Yeah.
No, I want to analyze it.
Obviously, it was partially a rhetorical question, but what would they answer?
I don't understand.
So, in the course of all of Harvard's history, and Harvard goes back to the 18th century, so...
17th.
17th.
Is that right?
It was in the 1600s?
Yeah, 1636, I think.
That's astonishing.
I didn't even know anything was happening then.
Okay, be that as it may, fine.
So, Harvard goes back all that time, and in the entire time, it had 70 slaves.
It, I mean, members of the faculty, or whomever, or administration.
So I'm still not understanding.
What is their argument?
We owe the descendants of those slaves or all blacks?
What is their thinking?
I don't know, Dennis.
That's very interesting.
They never really specified what their goal is or what their thinking here is.
The opening of the video that I mentioned, again, there's so much to unpack in that video, but they...
They talk about how Harvard is seen as this perfect place, in this ivory tower, the best of the best, and yet there's an ugly history hidden in the walls, and we must confront this history.
I guess that's the closest I can get to what their goal is.
I don't know.
It's this weird self-apology kind of thing.
I mean, of course, there are probably descendants of slaves who go to this school and who have worked here, but...
I think another thing that confuses me is that Harvard and all of these universities have done a lot to, quote-unquote, rectify the sin of slavery.
Look at affirmative action.
How long has affirmative action been?
Around 60 years?
70 years?
There are all of these courses that we have on slavery and race in the United States.
They talked about using the $100 million to put more plaques around campus.
I see plaques all the time when I'm walking to my classes that, you know, I don't know, Dennis.
I think that they've done a lot, and I really don't know what this is trying to get at.
I think it's, to my earlier point, I think it is a Maoist self-criticism session, and there's a lot of Superciliousness baked in here, even though they claim to say that, oh, we're Harvard and we're trying not to seem supercilious.
No, they're actually just trying to show how wonderful and woke they are.
And that's why they have a 25-minute video.
It's total propaganda.
I'm going to watch it.
I'm very curious.
You should.
I may play parts of it on my radio show.
It is crazy.
It's all...
Part of this fabric of, I want to feel good about myself.
Look at how moral I am.
I mean, frankly, folks, at a hundred, let's see, 1865 slavery ended.
So that's 35, 100, 155 years ago.
To say that you have a debt to, and the numbers affected was 70. I mean, that's the number I think you gave me.
So I always, whenever I take a position, I always, always, this is a rule in my brain, I always put the shoes on my feet, or I take my shoes and put them on their feet, whichever it is.
I try to walk in their shoes.
So I'm thinking, let's say a German university says, you know, We fired 70 Jews who were on our faculty in the 1930s because we obeyed the Nazi regime.
So we are going to, so I'm thinking, what would be appropriate?
And by the way, obviously 1930 is 70 years more recent than slavery.
But still, with all my passion about the Holocaust, I don't know what debt a German university has.
Let's see, 1935, that's 85 years ago.
What debt does it have to Jews collectively, other than to teach the history, which of course should be done in any event.
This is what we did during the Nazi era.
Harvard should teach.
This is what we did during slavery.
All right, that's completely appropriate.
By the way, if they were anti-slavery professors at Harvard, that should be taught as well, however.
If they were anti-Nazi professors at that German university that I just made up, offered as an example, that should be taught too.
But I don't know what collective debt that German university has to Jews.
I can't think of any other than to teach the truth.
And that's it.
Here's what's really going on here, in my view.
They're trying to buy the silence of the woke people by pledging $100 million and being so public about this whole initiative.
In a way, they're kind of saying, don't look at us.
Don't come after us.
We've done our part.
Because if this were really about reparations, as they're claiming.
They would give back the endowment and what the endowment has earned that was given by anyone connected to slavery, but they're not doing that.
And I also think what's going on here, and obviously we've stated that it's about them feeling good about themselves and proclaiming how moral and wonderful they are.
This is also about sort of creating an entire industry for themselves.
I recently just read a fabulous book by Heather MacDonald called The Diversity Delusion.
And it's about all of...
I think in one chapter, she has this list.
I should actually...
I think it's on my bookshelf back here.
I should bring it and pull it up.
She has a list of all of the diversity, outreach, inclusion, do-nothing administrators, just so many of these people that have...
Populated the universities in the past few decades.
And what these universities keep doing is that they keep creating more and more of these positions and more and more of these departments, and they never get rid of any of them.
And it's this woke industry that I think is really harmful.
I mean, obviously slavery was a horrible thing.
No one denies that.
But to your point, Dennis, there are a lot of ethnic groups who have had horrible things happen to them.
And they try to put those things behind them and move on because that's a healthy thing to do.
It doesn't mean that you forget about what happened, but you have to move on.
And what I really dislike about this world that we're living in and about this initiative that Harvard's undertaking is that slavery is being fetishized.
It's being held onto and cultivated and curated in a way that is harming the very people that they are claiming to help.
For example?
Well, I think African Americans today, I think the amount that slavery and race and racism is talked about is not healthy.
I think it gives them, it's not PC to say, but I think it gives this kind of victim complex that prevents them from reaching their fullest potential.
Larry Elder talks about this a lot.
In schools, if you are being told every day that this country is against you, And the history's against you, and it still lives on in the institutions.
And by the way, where is the evidence for that?
Of course racism still exists, but where is the evidence that these deep biases are still held within our institutions?
They point to the police.
Twelve unarmed blacks were killed by police in 2019. Of course that number should be zero, but we don't live in a utopia.
I don't think that twelve unarmed blacks being killed in one year by police is evidence that the police department is systemically racist.
More police were killed by blacks than...
Unarmed blacks were killed by police.
But nobody, to even raise the issue was to be accused of racism.
Racism is now the term used for anything the left differs with.
That's all it is.
It's meaningless.
But your point is, you're right.
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Again, I always...
Try to tie in my own experience.
I can't think of a worse thing to have done to Jewish kids than even...
And I was born right after the Holocaust, amazingly, when I think about it.
But had I been raised in a family that said, you know, we're Jews and the goyim, the non-Jews, are out to get us.
I would not have been the guy I am.
I was raised by Jewish parents who obviously lived through, not in Europe, but they lived through the period of the Holocaust.
And I was told implicitly and explicitly that this is the best place a Jew could live.
And they were right.
Then Israel was created and then fined.
So putting Israel aside.
The best place.
And my father wrote a senior class thesis on anti-Semitism in America.
There was plenty of it.
And Roosevelt's administration was filled with it.
And this country didn't allow Jews in any numbers.
Sent a ship of Jews back to be slaughtered by the Nazis.
The St. Louis.
It's a terrible story.
But nevertheless, it was a blessing to be a Jew here.
It's a blessing to be a black here.
What black leader says it's a blessing to be a black in America?
One cannot name one.
And if there is one, that person is definitionally conservative.
Go on.
No, sorry.
I was just going to say the thing that really, really makes me upset.
And I can't for the life of me, Dennis, I want to hear what your opinion is on this.
I can't for the life of me understand why people aren't talking about it.
If Harvard really cared about black people and really wanted to close the racial wealth gap in this country, they would have put out a statement a week or two ago when it was discovered that the founders of Black Lives Matter embezzled $6 million.
Of money that was promised to go to schools and bail funds.
They took that money and they bought a mansion in Los Angeles.
And yet Harvard University, and I'm not just trying to target Harvard, all the other universities, all of these woke people remain silent.
There is a 75% father absence rate in the black community, a 75% out of wedlock rate in the black community.
We know the impact of those statistics.
President Obama, before he got really, really woke in 2013, gave a commencement address to Morehouse College, and he talked about how damaging it is to grow up in a home where the nuclear family is not intact.
If Harvard University really wanted to help black people, they would be talking about that.
If Harvard University really wanted to help black people, they would be talking about the teachers' unions and how those need to be broken up.
But of course they're not going to be broken up because they're the number one contributor to democratic campaigns.
It is impossible to fire a teacher.
Nearly, I shouldn't say impossible, but it's nearly impossible to fire a teacher because of the teachers' unions.
And what happens is that they go into these rubber rooms, as you know.
And then they're funneled into the low-income, overwhelmingly black schools.
And then those students do not get good teachers.
It is right in front of us, the problems that are facing the black community.
It's right in front of us.
And the solutions are easy to talk about.
And yet there is this cowardice.
And Harvard is coming out and doing this film where they're trying to make themselves look good and they're claiming that they're doing it to help black people.
Why are people not outraged about this?
It's crazy.
When you said earlier that it was sort of to protect them from the woke community, I didn't want to interrupt you, but my first thought was the word vaccination.
This initiative is a vaccination against woke attack.
Hey folks, by the way, $100 million for Harvard is like $100 for me.
Right.
It is.
It means nothing.
Maybe even $5.
Maybe $5.
I mean, they have a $39 billion endowment.
Yes, that's correct.
Yes, that's right.
So it's worthy, if not now, given the time limitations, but as you get toward your graduation, and you know all this, so I'm curious what your perspective on Harvard is.
After all of this, maybe we'll have this as sort of a trailer for one of the next, one of the upcoming podcasts that we'll have.
But I am genuinely curious, and I'm curious if you'd meet parents who said to you, yes, my kids, my daughter, my son is in high school.
And I'm just doing everything possible to make sure they get the best grades and the best extracurricular activity.
I would love them to go where you went, Julie, Harvard.
I'd be very curious how you would react to them.
Well, this is something that I've been thinking a lot about, not only as I'm...
About to graduate in three weeks, but also because we talk a lot about Harvard on this podcast, Dennis, and I've talked about it a lot on your radio show.
And at times I've thought, am I being too hard on them?
Because I do look back, I mean, I'm not, I was just about to say, I look back at my four years here.
I look back at my two and a half years here.
Of course, one and a half was lost due to COVID. And I have had, in many ways, a great experience here.
First and foremost, I've met wonderful people.
The friends I've made here will be my friends for life.
I rave to you all the time about my roommates, Dennis.
I have had wonderful classes.
A highlight was studying under Harvey Mansfield, who's a conservative professor here in the government department.
That's been wonderful.
I have a really great dorm.
So there have been many, many upsides.
Oh, and by the way, I just went to Israel, which was a Harvard Hallel-funded experience, and you know how much that changed my life.
So I am very aware of all of the benefits that I've gotten from going to this school, and I'm immensely grateful for them, and I will always be grateful to this university.
That being said, though, it is very difficult to ignore some of the glaring problems here and the way that This school is sort of the university.
I mean, maybe that doesn't sound so nice of me to say.
Maybe that sounds self-impressed, but it's true.
Everyone really talks about Harvard, right or wrong, looks to Harvard as the most prestigious place.
And the fact that they're putting out something like this, and the fact that they are being so silent on all the issues that I mentioned, the fact that so many of my classes are woke.
I don't think I've ever been in a class where any of my professors have talked about what makes America great and why America is an aberration and the best country in the world.
It's hard for me to ignore that, Dennis.
And so what I'm trying to do now is actually, I really am trying to make the university better.
And obviously my focus is to try to make America better, but I hope people realize that when I'm criticizing this university, it comes from a place of knowing how lucky I am to have the opportunity to go here.
And I want it to be the best place for its students and for this country.
Did you happen to see the Wall Street Journal article about how it's even tougher for a white female to get into Harvard now?
I did not, but I believe it.
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Why more than white males?
Oh, because there are more terrific applicants among females.
And the ratio in almost every college is now beyond 50-50 female-male.
So there's almost a subtle affirmative action vis-a-vis white females for white males.
It's a very strange world in which we live.
That's another interesting question.
What you thought of the males at Harvard?
I can't wait to ask you that one.
I'll wait till you graduate.
Let me give you a little preview.
No bueno.
Wow.
Yeah.
No bueno.
No bueno.
When you went to college, Dennis, do you think that the males were more manly and chivalrous then?
Than now, or was it bad then too?
It was bad, but it wasn't like today.
It was the first generation of bad, so there was still a residue of the past.
But it had already, the devolution had begun.
As I have always said, the greatest generation, that's what the generation of World War II and the Depression is called, I think there were many great generations, but I'm certainly going to agree they were a great generation.
They made a Greek tragedy error in the way they raised my generation.
Not me.
My father was old school.
You earned respect in my family.
You earned your way through life.
I mentioned on my show today...
I was talking about, how much time do we have, Sean?
Okay, so I was talking, oh, Julie, you'll love this.
I'll end with this.
I was on a plane from Chicago to L.A. this weekend, and I sat next to this woman, 29, young woman, Hispanic American, and I knew within two minutes, incredibly, I'm sitting next to a kindred spirit.
So I wasn't wearing a mask, and she wasn't wearing a mask.
So I already knew the odds are we're kindred spirits.
Within five minutes, I asked her her politics.
She said Republican.
This is female, Hispanic, young.
Love it.
And goes, I'm a Republican.
She had the same view I did of all the people coming on the plane with a mask.
Anyway, so I talked about her family.
And it was mentioned that her father, unfortunately, enables her brother.
She has a younger brother, mid-20s.
He does nothing.
And the father pays for his apartment.
He won't take a job if he doesn't love it.
This is the brother speaking, which is beyond belief to me.
And so I mentioned on the air, to take it full circle, the way I was raised.
I knew I wasn't going to get 10 cents from my father.
And this kid is 25 and the father's paying for his apartment.
Oh my goodness.
So you're asking about my generation of males.
Not as many males will have their apartment paid for by a parent.
In my generation, you didn't see that.
I won't take a job if I don't love it.
That's new.
That's it right there.
That story, that is what has happened.
That is the rot.
Right.
No, I feel for young women today, actually.
So, if you've got a great guy, my friends, I don't want to embarrass Julie, but Julie's a catch, just for the record.
By the way.
I do want to end.
I know that we're just going to end with that story, but this is a little bit off topic, but I think you'll find it to be funny, and I hope our viewers will too.
So I got an email on my website, which I'm going to say correctly, is julie-hartman.com.
Thank you very much to whoever pointed that out to me.
I got an email from this lovely woman.
She says that she's an Iranian immigrant.
I think she said she met you this past weekend in Chicago.
Wherever the hell you've been, you're always traveling.
Oh yeah, no, I did meet an Iranian woman in Chicago.
I recall her.
Yeah, go on.
And she told me that she has been listening to our podcast.
That's right, yes.
She loves the podcast, yes.
And she's been listening to them as she goes on her walks, her power walks up these hills in her neighborhood.
And she said, thanks to Dennis and Julie, I've lost weight.
So, I just wanted to end with that.
Yeah, why don't I? I can't believe it.
It's not fair.
I'm Dennis of Dennis and Julian.
I'm not losing weight.
I'm not either, but if you guys need a workout buddy, or if your friends need workout buddies, we are two very...
Believe it or not, I remember meeting the woman.
Not surprisingly, given Iranian women, she was beautiful.
I remember that.
Well, she is as lovely as she is beautiful.
Yes, that is correct.
I'm glad she wrote you.
That's terrific.
Well, Jules, it's always great.
This is the Dennis and Julie podcast and we strongly urge you to make others aware of it.
Send it to them.
Let them know and you can write to Julie hyphen Hartman H-A-R-T M-A-N and see you next week, Julie.
See ya.
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