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	Cancer diagnosis, so let's see if we can wrap the Lord's loving arms around him.
	Speaking of God, if you are familiar with the local show that I do here in DFW or the various times that I've had the great opportunity to fill in for Dennis, since in this year plus, in this year plus that we've been dealing with COVID, I remember I was yanked off a spring break in a mid-March beautiful week here in North Texas.
	And I said, you know what?
	If life is shutting down all around me, that what I probably ought to do is open a show with prayer.
	And I don't really envision stopping.
	Because, you know, COVID seems to be getting better.
	Please, Lord, let that be true.
	That might be about the only thing that's getting better.
	One of the first things we're going to take a look at on today's Dennis Prager Show, Court packing.
	It's happening as we speak.
	I don't mean the procedure itself, but the first toe in the pool, Senator Ed Markey, whom you will hear in just a moment.
	I told you so.
	Dennis told you so.
	Almost anybody who's paid attention to the left told you they would do this.
	If you found yourself thinking, oh, it's just Joe Biden.
	He's just sort of center left.
	You know, it's not like he's Hillary.
	Obama, this presidency in its opening gasps, is worse than Obama.
	Do you know where the bar is set for me to tell you that?
	I'll go one better.
	This presidency stands to be worse than anything Hillary might have ever done on her worst day.
	I don't know if Joe himself has turned radical or has simply surrendered the reins to the radicals.
	But our border is out of control.
	Our finances are out of control.
	We're about to cut and run in Afghanistan.
	The Taliban will run that country.
	What time is it?
	Oh, let's give it the end of the year.
	Now, we'll talk a little bit.
	I want to talk with you about what you think the right thing to do is as we come up on 20 years since 9-11.
	I favored the Trump approach of a big drawdown leaving, I don't know, 500 or 1,000 troops.
	At the Bagram Airfield, about 30 minutes north of Kabul, Afghanistan, just so the Taliban knows we can still touch you.
	And I know it's the era of drones and the era of Internet warfare, and we could probably bomb somebody pretty easily on a moment's notice.
	I know.
	But there's nothing like some type of even a light American footprint.
	I do not favor war without end.
	I'm not talking about 50,000 troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and any other country, you know, for the rest of our natural lives.
	But this cut and run, it didn't work in Iraq.
	It didn't work in Vietnam.
	Anybody old enough to remember Vietnam?
	Vietnam is a communist country.
	Why?
	Because we cut and run.
	So COVID is getting better.
	Virtually everything else is on the hot rails to hell.
	So I maintain my upbeat countenance.
	I maintain the optimism that carries me through the day.
	And I'll tell you, What helps me do that?
	And maybe it does for you as well.
	So if I can, as a guest here on the Dennis Prager Show, engage in a moment that I always begin my local show with, and I hope it is of benefit to you, and then we're going to talk about a bunch of things.
	We're going to talk some court packing.
	We're going to talk some Afghanistan.
	We're going to talk the J&J vaccine.
	Are they six cases out of seven million?
	What?
	I don't know about you, but I've just spent a year telling people that it's crazy to overreact to COVID because of the low percentage chance of getting it, and if you get it, the really low percentage chance of dying.
	Now, we have some of the same people who suddenly favor yanking J&J because of six cases out of seven million?
	Boy, there's a little statistical disconnect there.
	And we'll talk a little bit about that as well.
	And anything else you want, Suzette is taking your calls at 1-8-Prager-776.
	1-8-Prager-776.
	Always go to DennisPrager.com for anything Dennis-related to catch the show, stream the show.
	And if you want to hang out with me and the crazy world of Twitter, follow me on Twitter at Mark Davis.
	M-A-R-K Davis.
	And as we begin, Lord, guide us.
	And protect us as we face the challenges of each new day.
	Be with us as we chart a course out of this COVID nightmare.
	Help us to be smart and safe and let us continue to lift up those whose lives and livelihoods have been sidelined by shutdowns and restrictions.
	Lord, we thank you every day for this blessed nation and for your hand in creating it.
	Fill our hearts with the energy to protect the freedoms which come from you, which our nation was founded to protect.
	Guide us to fight for our liberties within the law and by following your law.
	Let us navigate these troubling times with a positive spirit, treating others as we would wish to be treated.
	Lord, these are times of trial and challenge.
	Lift us as we follow your word and work for a better America, where our Constitution is honored, where our borders actually work, where our elections are reliable, and where our differences are hashed out with honesty and goodwill, and our freedoms and where our differences are hashed out with honesty and goodwill, and our freedoms of speech
	As we face each day's problems, give us the clarity to look around and cherish our many blessings in our nation, in our communities, in our homes, and with our families.
	If we follow you, Lord, we know we can get through anything.
	And we ask these things in your holy name.
	Amen.
	So, it's funny because within that prayer, it seems like there are like six or seven talk show topics.
	Oh, yeah, Constitution, borders.
	And I do.
	I ask for God's guidance in helping this nation, which he absolutely had a hand in creating, so that we can have...
	And these are not partisan things.
	I don't want the Constitution honored because I'm a conservative.
	I don't want our elections to be reliable because I'm a Republican.
	Come on, these are things that everybody should want.
	All kinds of things that everybody should want are suddenly up for debate.
	I wrote a book about this.
	It's called Upside Down.
	2016, every word's still true.
	If you want to go to Amazon, do Mark Davis, Upside Down.
	It's a bunch of chapters, a bunch of little subtopics of ways in which the left has gotten a hold of things and screwed it up.
	How the left has turned right into wrong, truth into lies, and good into bad.
	Very proud of that book, and I hope you enjoy it as well.
	Mark Davis, Upside Down on Amazon.
	Go grab that, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
	And heaven knows I could crank out a few more chapters in the years since.
	And just to kind of wrap up this segment, we'll come back, and then we'll just keep your car on the road, because I'm going to let you hear Senator Ed Markey talk about how the Supreme Court is broken.
	Broken?
	It's on its way to being fixed if we can just get...
	John Roberts' head pulled out of some orifice.
	If we can just get Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to actually do what they're supposed to do all the time and not just some of the time, we're in the process of fixing a Supreme Court that had been broken under the weight of judicial activism and judicial tyranny.
	And you know what?
	On a prior theme, I don't want the Supreme Court to do my political bidding.
	Roe v.
	Wade, for example, the unconscionable 1973 ruling of Roe v.
	Wade concocting out of whole cloth a right to terminate a pregnancy, a right that does not exist.
	You can't find it.
	It doesn't exist.
	So Roe v.
	Wade is improperly found, and I want it overturned, not because I am pro-life, but because it is unconstitutional.
	Ditto with Obergefell v.
	Hodges, gay marriage.
	There's no right to expect a state to legally recognize your same-sex marriage.
	If a state wants to, it can.
	But it doesn't have to.
	If a state wants to have permissive, ghoulish abortion laws, they can.
	But if they want to ban it, they can.
	And that's what will happen when Roe v.
	Wade is overturned.
	And again, I don't seek that because I am conservative or because I am pro-life.
	I seek it because I'm a constitutionalist.
	I want the Constitution honored and the Supreme Court to honor the Constitution.
	Silly, silly me.
	Alright, let's take our first pause.
	And when we come back, you'll hear it.
	And listen, I told you so.
	One of many.
	That this is the agenda.
	They've got one party rule right now.
	And they're going to try to expand the Supreme Court to 13 people.
	Get four more fresh Democrats.
	We'll be there forever.
	So that they can...
	Enjoy the judicial tyranny that is their goal.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	will continue.
	Okay.
	Calling on Skype.
	Trending now.
	You know, in the first day of office, Joe Biden issues this executive order.
	this executive order that deals with the Keystone XL pipeline.
	We're involved in that lawsuit to challenge that.
	He also created a working group, as he called it, with unelected cabinet members to decide what is the quote-unquote social cost of greenhouse gases.
	And so it's more like...
	Nostradamus than it is Newton, right?
	They're predicting warfare and migration patterns and all these things hundreds of years in the future, pulling all that back and then giving a blank check to the EPA and transportation, all these agencies to overtax and overregulate every aspect of our lives, making things more expensive like cars and microwaves.
	We're on the front lines fighting that.
	If you look and see what the AGs are doing across the country to really push back, Missouri's in the lead on that.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on the Charlie Kirk Show.
	You see, the people that perpetually want more power for themselves, they crisis hop.
	They hop from one crisis to the other.
	The environmental crisis.
	The Chinese coronavirus crisis.
	A crisis allows you to justify a power grab.
	There's nothing quite like a crisis that makes you feel more self-important and act like a totalitarian.
	A crisis generally means that the public will give up their freedoms and liberties.
	There's something even deeper going on here, though.
	As the CDC director says racism is a serious public health threat, they are now blending two of their most effective strategies.
	The fact that Americans will not question the science when it comes from anything from the CDC, despite the fact the CDC has lied to you about basically everything over the last year.
	The CDC has been wrong about almost everything contributing to a serious mental health crisis, a suicide epidemic, alcoholism, drug usage, self-worth issues with young people.
	40% of small business is being closed and the lockdowns did nothing.
	Let me say that again.
	The lockdowns did nothing to actually improve the well-being of our country.
	But the CDC now knows that Americans would rather be safe than free and that safetyism is the predominant viewpoint in America.
	And they also know that Americans will not challenge This idea that America is systemically racist.
	Just won't.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on the Mike Delegger Show.
	He's made a very big deal about ghost guns.
	Homemade guns, as you said, that cannot be traced.
	I didn't realize there was a rash of ghost guns Used in these high-profile mass killings that Biden referenced.
	Are they?
	Are these massacres in Charleston and in Colorado and all these terrible scenes, are those all with people who made their guns at home?
	No, Mike, you're right.
	These aren't people who have produced their own firearms in their own homes.
	We're talking about, in many of these instances, the failures of people to either enact on the laws that are available to them or the authorities who failed to take action when they were supposed to.
	So if we look at the most recent murders in Boulder, Colorado, we see that Colorado already has red flag laws.
	We see that the family was already...
	...so why is there still a debate as to which system is more moral?
	I explained in the new video from Prager University.
	See it at PragerU.com where we teach what is in talk.
	That is what they do.
	A little Philip Phillips of American Idol fame and home.
	Thanks for making the Dennis Prager Show your home for a thoughtful conversation of this time each day.
	Mark Davis with you from 660 AM, The Answer in DFW. A little early phone call action.
	I'm all about that.
	I've got the audio of Ed Markey as he unveils this blatantly naked political power grab of court packing.
	So let's see what...
	Folks, think about that.
	1-8-Prager-776.
	1-8-Prager-776.
	We are in Los Angeles.
	Mike, Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Happy Thursday.
	How are you?
	I'm good.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Okay.
	I disagree with the fact that you're saying that Democrats are court packing.
	And tell me, why do you think that's illegal?
	I didn't say it's illegal.
	It's not even unconstitutional.
	They absolutely do it.
	Wait.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I'm saying that it's a horrible idea.
	Their motives for doing it are obvious.
	The Supreme Court, with nine people on it, has worked for about more than half of the nation's history.
	There is no reason, no reason.
	I'll be done in a moment.
	We can't both talk at the same time.
	This is the very first time.
	Mike, I'm 10 seconds from done.
	There's no reason to do this except to achieve judicial tyranny.
	Go, your turn.
	Perfect.
	Was it done before or not, if you go back in history?
	Oh, we started out with six.
	That is correct.
	However, there is no...
	Okay, so it was done before.
	Am I right?
	Why is nine problematic now?
	Okay, then, then, then, then, it's problematic because during Obama's administration, Mr. McConnell here has used to appoint all his...
	Let me finish.
	We're all well familiar with the Merrick Garland situation.
	We're all well familiar with that.
	And it involved a death within an election year, and it enabled people to have the presidential election.
	You see, the problem is you don't let the caller talk.
	That's your problem.
	Well, actually, I believe you have.
	So go, please.
	Tell me.
	It has nothing to do with that.
	Okay, thank you.
	So do you think that...
	I started something to go over, Miriam.
	So do you think it was okay by McConnell to say that it was too close to 10 months away from the election?
	Of course it was.
	Of course it was.
	And I'll give you a consistent answer.
	Then, wait a second.
	Doggone it, dude.
	I can't do this to myself, to the show, or to the listeners.
	I cannot do it.
	I'm done.
	And I love you, and I appreciate you.
	Here's why the McConnell decision not to offer up Merrick Garland was just fine.
	It was a vacancy within an election year!
	And in order to reveal consistence, the only reason you wanted Merrick Garland is because you are a liberal.
	Now, I am a conservative, so let's flip the script.
	Let's say there was some situation where there was a nominee that I wanted, but it was an outgoing president, lame-dog president, the president's not running for re-election, There's going to be a new president.
	No two ways about it.
	There's going to be a new president, and that was certainly the case in 2016. And let's say that it was a nominee that I wanted offered up.
	It's like, well, we got the presidency.
	Let's put somebody in.
	And the idea of a Democrat Senate majority leader said, nope, we're not going to do that because we're in the election season.
	We're months away.
	We're going to let the people decide and have a rare, somewhat more direct opportunity to pick that justice.
	I would say that was fine.
	I would say that was fine, too.
	That's called consistency.
	Now, Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts.
	Get ready.
	We are here today because the United States Supreme Court is broken.
	It is out of balance.
	And it needs to be fixed.
	Too many Americans view our highest court in the land as a partisan political institution.
	What?
	This is Ed Markey saying this?
	They want it to be a partisan political institution to do their bidding because they know that their radical agenda tends to not succeed as well when it's taken through the usual route of the legislature.
	Not our impartial judicial branch of government.
	Too many Americans have lost faith in the court as a neutral arbiter of the most important constitutional and legal questions that arise in our judicial system.
	Neutral arbiter.
	I want a neutral arbiter.
	I want justices who call balls and strikes.
	I am not looking for any result to pad my conservative philosophy.
	I do not ever look for the Supreme Court to do my political bidding.
	I don't even speak in terms of conservative justices.
	I don't.
	I speak in terms of constitutionalist justices.
	What's the difference?
	Because when you think conservative justice, you think maybe about somebody in a black robe who's trying to bring about things that conservatives will like.
	Well, this is the sad fact that only the conservatives seem to care about the Constitution these days.
	And as I explained, first segment, I don't want Roe v.
	Wade overturned.
	I don't want Obergefell v.
	Hodges overturned.
	I don't want anything overturned to feather my conservative nest.
	I want the Constitution honored.
	I didn't enjoy the D.C. v.
	Heller ruling on gun control, identifying, shocker, that you have a right to have a gun to defend yourself.
	I didn't want the Constitution, the Supreme Court to rule that way because I like guns, even though I really do.
	That's not why I wanted it.
	I wanted it because the Second Amendment is in there.
	The Second Amendment is in there.
	A right to abortion is not.
	The Second Amendment is in there.
	The right to expect your state to recognize your gay marriage is not.
	It is that simple.
	It is that simple.
	And we're in Arlington Heights, Illinois.
	Sam, hey.
	Mark Davis, in for Dennis.
	How are you doing?
	Hi, Mark.
	Nice talking with you.
	You know, I'm wondering if the Democrats do go ahead and pass a statute that the president signs, increasing the court size.
	I'm wondering it'll eventually make its way up to the existing Supreme Court, where the court may have to address this issue.
	Because remember, it may be a constitutional issue, I think.
	The Constitution just provides that there shall be one Supreme Court.
	It doesn't specify the High Court size.
	And for that reason, and for that reason, we can have nine justices.
	We can have 13. We can have four.
	We can have 28. So there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about the court-packing procedure.
	Their motivation is an assault on the Constitution because that's what the left does.
	Interesting you mentioned a constitutional remedy.
	The only constitutional remedy, and I believe you're going to see this start to happen as soon as today, and this is a really high bar because it's hard to amend the Constitution.
	It should be hard to amend the Constitution, and that is the proposal of An amendment to the Constitution identifying the number of justices at nine.
	Then and only then, could you not change it?
	Well, it's kind of a gray area, I think, because the Constitution does not expressly grant Congress the authority to set or modify the size of the Supreme Court.
	Yeah, it kind of does.
	There's no express authority.
	What they do, I think it...
	It comes under the Necessary and Proper Clause.
	No, I mean, the prior changes had been congressional, and so this one would be as well.
	So the first battleground is what, you know, and it's, listen, sitting here right now with you, April 15th, 2021, I don't think it's got the votes.
	I, you know, and especially in the Senate, can I count on Joe Manchin?
	I'm tired of having to go to Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema.
	We need to elect about 10 fresh Republicans in 2022. Could we maybe do that?
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Be right back.
	This is Carol Platt-Lebow for townhall.com.
	Calling new Biden legislation an infrastructure plan is like calling a shark a dolphin.
	They both may have dorsal fins, but you mistake one for the other at your peril.
	Don't be fooled.
	Only 5% of the bill's spending would actually go for roads and bridges, what normal people think of as infrastructure.
	Add in items like Amtrak and broadband, and you're still only at 30% of the eye-popping total of $2.3 trillion.
	And you're supposed to pay for all of this with the biggest tax increase since 1968. Here's what's worse.
	The bill is actually about leftist social engineering.
	It would end right to work, something the left hates because it guarantees no one can be forced to join a union or pay union dues in order to hold a job.
	Ending it offers a rich new source of campaign contributions for Democrats.
	Calling a shark a dolphin doesn't make it one.
	I'm Carol Platt-Lebow.
	We now have a radical, unproven philosophy, critical race theory, that is running our entire government.
	The CDC director says racism is a serious public health threat.
	Quote, a growing body of research shows that centuries of racism in this country has had a profound and negative impact on communities of color.
	That's not true.
	It's not true.
	Read Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Sowell.
	Just because there is a disparity does not mean that discrimination is to blame.
	The fatherless epidemic in the black community is a serious public health threat.
	You want to know what's keeping black people down?
	It's not racism.
	It's government programs, failing public schools, Democrat policies, and the lack of fathers in the home.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on The Larry Elder Show.
	Headline, and I'm quoting, Two CBS TV executives are fired after one called a black TV anchor just a jive guy and the other called a female employee an effing idiot.
	Peter Dunn, president of CBS television stations, and David Friend, senior VP for News.
	The stations were ousted on Wednesday.
	I'm laughing because polls show that 83% of Democrats believe that Donald Trump is a racist.
	83%.
	This guy is calling a black TV anchor just a jive guy while reporting how racist Donald Trump is.
	I can't make this up.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on America First with Sebastian Berger.
	Why is it that we have to wait?
	Is this so often the case for a British tabloid newspaper to report the story of Hunter Biden for anybody to take notice?
	this.
	Because our media just aren't interested.
	Our media want to protect the Bidens.
	They want to protect liberals.
	Most of the media.
	And they're not on as brokers.
	We knew the contents of this laptop in September and October.
	This should have been out and out everywhere.
	Everywhere.
	But what do we have instead?
	Instead, we had the New York Post being blocked from Twitter.
	Instead, we had CNN and others suggesting that Hunter Biden's own laptop that he signed over was somehow Russian disinformation.
	Absolute nonsense.
	Well, it's strange, isn't it?
	It's strange to say, you know, it's Russian disinformation.
	than for Hunter Biden in a puff piece interview.
	Dennis Prager show for this Thursday, 15th day of April, 2021.
	Mark Davis filling in from the big DFW.
	Hope all is well with you.
	Intermixing the alarming sound of Ed Markey, Democrat, Massachusetts Senator, floating this Judiciary Act of 2021, also known as court packing.
	It's when you're just...
	Not satisfied with the way things are going on the court.
	Too much constitutionalism.
	Too many things being ruled on by what the founders...
	Actually said or what we divine their meaning and intent to have been.
	That doesn't work with today's left.
	They've got to have judicial activism, the kind of justices who'll get in there and rule, not on the words of the Constitution, but on the way they think America ought to be.
	The way they did with Roe v.
	Wade.
	That wasn't about the Constitution.
	They didn't want any state telling a woman she couldn't get an abortion.
	So doggone it, they made sure a state couldn't do that.
	How easy was that?
	The answer is absurdly easy and profoundly unconstitutional.
	We are in Livermore, California.
	Ray, hi.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Welcome.
	Hang on a second.
	Wrong button.
	Here we go.
	Hi, Ray.
	Mark Davison, welcome.
	How are you doing?
	Here we go.
	There we go.
	Hey, Mark, it's great having you when Dennis isn't here.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	And the last thing, as you've already stated, you kind of ran into something I was going to say, but if the court...
	Had six members, as you stated, as it once did, and it was a 4-2 left advantage.
	They would have no problem with the numbers on the court.
	In the current state of nine, if there were a 7-2 leftist advantage, they would have no problem with the number of members on the court.
	They're just mad because they can't control the court for the very reasons you stated, to ramrod leftist agendas that they can't pass through legislation.
	Couldn't have put it more concisely myself.
	Exactly right.
	This is a political power grab.
	Biden's president, Democrat Senate, Democrat House.
	If you expand the Supreme Court to 13 justices tomorrow, Biden gets four fresh liberals to put on the court, and they'll probably all be in their 40s and live a half a century, screwing up the country forever.
	All righty, we are in Corbyn, Kentucky.
	David, hey, Mark Davis in for Dennis.
	How are you doing?
	Doing good, Mark.
	It's good to hear you again.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	I appreciate you taking my call today.
	Thanks.
	I'm kind of off-topic.
	I'm a little bit off-topic, Mark, but something I was curious about.
	That's all right.
	I lead an off-topic life.
	You know, in the light of this murder of the family last week by the former NFL player, they're attributing it partially to concussions that he received.
	It may have affected his behavior.
	With that in mind, I'm curious who is going to be liable for concussions or maiming injuries received by girls in grade school, high school, and college sports when they're playing against males or transitioned or whatever they call it, trans?
	I think it's oxymoron.
	In the sporting environment, it tends not to be, for the most part, at least at the moment, girls trying to get into the football team where they will be destroyed and annihilated in a football game.
	Everybody just went goo-goo-ga-ga when this young lady...
	It's kicker.
	What difference does it make?
	You ever seen a kicker have to be the last line of defense?
	You ever see a kicker involved in it?
	Guess what?
	Sometimes kickers get tackled.
	Sometimes kickers have to do tackling, are surrounded by seven people who weigh 300 pounds.
	She could have been absolutely liquefied on the football field.
	David, we can't both talk at the same time.
	Sit tight, brother.
	We'll be done in a minute.
	Most of them involve track or things where you're competing side by side.
	The problem is not so much physical destruction of the woman, but the woman being defeated by a biological male.
	Go ahead.
	I understand.
	I guess I was speaking more in terms of partial contact, like lacrosse or soccer.
	Yeah, maybe.
	I don't know that there's...
	What's kind of funny, there is there.
	We've got some stories here in Texas of gender-confused boys trying to get on the girls' wrestling team.
	And I sense the heart of your question is if, as a result of this, it's not just a competitive disadvantage, but what if a young lady gets really horribly hurt because she has been forced into competition with a biological male?
	Well, that's a tough call because as soon as...
	I would think that a court solution is probably not in the offing.
	If it's been made legal, if it has simply been given a societal blessing, you can't sue the school district.
	School districts will say, hey, we tried to stop this.
	If they did, school district didn't make it happen.
	People probably will have successfully sued in order to achieve this imbalance.
	So it will be a problem with probably no solution.
	The only solution will be for girls to think whether they even want to be on a certain team if the tide has shifted toward the permissive inclusion of biological males to compete against them.
	Women's sports are under attack.
	Mark Davison for Dennis Wright-Pack.
	Trending now on America First with Sebastian Berka.
	Why is it that we have to wait, as is so often the case, for a British tabloid newspaper to report the story of Hunter Biden for anybody to take notice?
	Because our media just aren't interested.
	Our media want to protect the Bidens.
	They want to protect liberals.
	Most of the media.
	And they're not on as brokers.
	We knew the contents of this laptop in September and October.
	This should have been out and out everywhere.
	Everywhere.
	But what do we have instead?
	Instead, we had the New York Post being blocked from Twitter.
	Instead, we had CNN and others suggesting that Hunter Biden's own laptop that he signed over was somehow Russian disinformation.
	Absolute nonsense.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on The Larry Elder Show.
	Music Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrice Cullors, the one who says she is a trained Marxist.
	Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers.
	We...
	Our trained Marxists.
	Okay, that's Patrice Cullors, a trained Marxist.
	She just did this multi-million dollar deal with the Warner Brothers, and she's just purchased a home here in California.
	The home is located in Topanga Canyon, 1.4 million, three baths.
	I'm going to give it up.
	It pays to be a trained Marxist.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	This is Carol Platt-Lebow for townhall.com.
	Calling new Biden legislation an infrastructure plan is like calling a shark a dolphin.
	They both may have dorsal fins, but you mistake one for the other at your peril.
	Don't be fooled.
	Only 5% of the bill's spending would actually go for roads and bridges, what normal people think of as infrastructure.
	Add in items like Amtrak and broadband, and you're still only at 30% of the eye-popping total of $2.3 trillion.
	And you're supposed to pay for all of this with the biggest tax increase since 1968. Here's what's worse.
	The bill is actually about left to social engineering.
	It would end right to work, something the left hates because it guarantees no one can be forced to join a union or pay union dues in order to hold a job.
	Ending it offers a rich new source of campaign contributions for Democrats.
	Calling a shark a dolphin doesn't make it one.
	I'm Carol Platt-Lebow.
	Turning now on the Charlie Kirk Show.
	We now have a radical, unproven philosophy.
	Critical race theory that is running our entire government.
	The CDC director says racism is a serious public health threat.
	Quote, a growing body of research shows that centuries of racism in this country has had a profound and negative impact on communities of color.
	That's not true.
	It's not true.
	Read Discrimination and Disparities by Thomas Sowell.
	Just because there is a disparity does not mean that discrimination is to blame.
	The fatherless epidemic in the black community is a serious public health threat.
	You want to know what's keeping black people down?
	It's not racism.
	It's government programs, family public schools, Democrat policies, and the lack of fathers in the home.
	Thank you.
	thing you'll notice is, hey, that is not Dennis Prager.
	That's something that may become apparent even from listening as well.
	That is true just today.
	Dennis is back tomorrow.
	Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM, the answer in the big, big, big, big Dallas-Fort Worth.
	We are loving Texas springtime.
	Hope things are going well for you wherever you may be.
	Things are not going well in the country in about 45 different identifiable ways.
	But let's be happy warriors.
	Let's dive in with a determined optimism and see what we can do.
	I've often compared this to being in a leftist batting cage where you put on the helmet, you pick up the bat, and you just knock every bad idea or try to bat away every bad idea that's coming at you.
	And they don't come much worse than this.
	Court packing.
	Just within the last hour or so, Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts laying down the quote-unquote logic of court packing, but you and I know what it is.
	We know what's going on here.
	Here came Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett, actual constitutionalists interpreting the Constitution with an eye toward what the founders actually meant.
	Rather than with a moistened finger to the breeze of momentary societal political whim?
	Hmm.
	And that doesn't work for today's Democrat Party.
	Senator Ed Markey.
	And I'm disappointed to say that too many Americans question the court's legitimacy.
	Well, the left does, because your definition of legitimacy is the kind of judicial activism and tyranny.
	The consequence is that the rights of all Americans, but especially people of color, women, and our immigrant communities are at risk.
	Okay, a moment here.
	If there's anything the left does, it invents rights that don't exist.
	It invented a right to abortion.
	It invented a right to have your gay marriage recognized by every state.
	It clearly wants to invent a right for anybody with a pulse to legally inhabit the United States of America.
	The Constitution is there to protect rights that do exist, not to entertain Some crazy quilt tapestry of rights that do not exist.
	And as far as the notion of, this is pure identity politics, the rights particularly, what did he say, of people of color, of women, of immigrants?
	Do you know why Lady Justice is blind?
	That statue, that famous statue, you can see it, just do Lady Justice statue, just Google that, and what you may see is the statue that's at 6th and Pennsylvania.
	In Washington, this sits in front of the Department of Justice, as well it should.
	Lady Justice, and as I describe it, it'll be familiar to you.
	She sits, and she is blindfolded, and she holds a scale in her hands.
	The scale is representative of judicial balance, weighing out the things that are before her.
	A court should weigh carefully this side versus that side.
	And why the blindfold?
	Because the court, the judiciary, our entire system should conduct that process without any regard for who is before the bench.
	It doesn't matter whether you are a man or a woman.
	It doesn't matter what race you are.
	It doesn't matter what sex you are.
	It doesn't matter what your immigrant status is.
	None of that matters.
	Everything should be on the merits of the case.
	There's no justice for black people or white people.
	There's no justice for women or men.
	There's just justice that should be conducted and sought without any regard to pigment or plumbing, as I often refer to it.
	Race and sex don't matter.
	Socioeconomic status doesn't matter.
	It shouldn't.
	Now, I know full well, if you are rich and have a really good lawyer, you might get a better result in the courtroom.
	And that's true.
	That is absolutely true.
	And that's a human failing in a human system.
	This will never be perfect.
	But as the left sees more and more rulings from the Supreme Court that come according to the Constitution, rather than the judicial tyranny to which they've become accustomed, that's why you have the white-knuckle panic that leads to this, leads to court packing, the Judiciary Act of 2021. The concerns the American people have about the high court are legitimate.
	The concerns are held by liberal and conservative Americans are concerned, too.
	I'm concerned about the Supreme Court.
	It's called John Roberts has been abducted by aliens and they left us this guy.
	It's called Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh are not batting a thousand.
	And I'm sorry, people have called me and said, well, they're right like 80% of the time.
	What?
	They need to be right all the time.
	What, the Constitution only matters 80% of the time?
	And they are well-founded.
	The court is broken.
	And make no mistake about it, the court is broken because leader Mitch McConnell, his Senate Republican colleagues, and Donald Trump broke it.
	Definition of breakage no longer run by tyrannical leftists.
	Justice, we're in Encino, California.
	Ruben, Mark Davison for Dennis.
	How you doing?
	Hi, how are you this morning?
	I'm good, thank you.
	Good.
	Listen, I'm going to make this short and it's not sweet.
	And I'm really hoping that you can find a way to refute me.
	But I believe now, and I hate to say it, that I think really the left's goal is to move into a government situation that's not unlike 1984. The kind of big-brother government that is a terror of 1984, something like the Soviet Union-wise.
	And I think, I hate to say it, I think they've won as I look at the situation.
	The game's not over.
	Let's not throw up our hands.
	America was nice while it lasted.
	No, that's not.
	That's not wise.
	You know, I don't know if we can trust vote counting now.
	I know.
	They're already letting enough people in to turn Texas blue.
	Again, I hate making these points.
	No, it's okay.
	Your concerns are completely valid.
	Your concerns are valid.
	Your cynicism well placed.
	So, the question is, what are we going to do about it?
	All over the country.
	Look at Georgia.
	Georgia's getting the crap punished out of it because it's trying to clean up its elections.
	Every other state needs to be that courageous.
	And we all simply need to elect not just Republicans, but the right kind of Republicans to try to undo this mess.
	I pray we will not lose our focus or lose hope.
	Mark Davison for Dennis, right back.
	Trending now on the Hugh Hewitt Show.
	You know that we have Byron York of the Washington Examiner and Fox News.
	You're just back from the border and is watching.
	You're doing fine, thanks.
	Now, I think it's pretty bad.
	Did you see border czar Kamala Harris when you were down there?
	You know, I looked and looked and looked, but she was not there.
	And it's actually pretty obvious why she is not there, which is if she went.
	She would draw attention to just enormous failures, one after the other, by this administration.
	I just think it's no secret that no politician would want to go and take a big group of press with her and say, here, look, we're failing here, and we're failing here, and we're failing here.
	Now, Byron, people like to know what a reporter's life is like.
	Where did you go, and how long did you stay at each of those places?
	This was in, I should say, in McAllen, Texas and in Mission, Texas, which is one of the worst spots now.
	And the takeaway from this, the takeaway is the government's response to this incredible surge of illegal border crossers is entirely improvised.
	I mean, it is totally jury-rigged.
	They are scrambling to deal with this.
	And the reason they're scrambling to deal with this is that President Biden, in his first days in office, just threw out the foundation of the way the government deals with migrants with nothing ready to replace it.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on the Larry Elder Show.
	Jared is in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota.
	Jared, you're on the Larry Elder Show.
	Thank you so much for calling.
	I appreciate it.
	Mr. Elder, sir, we have a country to save.
	Absolutely.
	And do we have our work cut out for us or what?
	Tell me about it.
	I just wanted to call and say thank you for sending the message of comply and don't die.
	I think I don't know anybody who is not for making sure our...
	police officers are doing an appropriate job without any sort of, you know, hostility towards anybody of any sort of demographic.
	But.
	Most of the surfing folks are doing right now is probably involving surfing the web.
	And if you're doing that, how 2002 is that, surfing the web?
	It's like looking something up at the phone book or dialing up your modem.
	If you are web surfing, DennisPrager.com for all things Dennis.
	Appreciate you being here.
	Even when the fill-in guys are here, that would be me, Mark Davis from 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	So, a lot of this angst, a lot of this Democrat mojo toward court packing comes from these, they're still enormously wounded by the failure of Merrick Garland to get a hearing.
	And as I explained to a caller earlier, to achieve consistency, I believe that it's perfectly fair game for a nominee to not be offered up in the election year where you know you're going to get a new president.
	If the existing president is running again, go for it.
	You're president every day.
	You're seeking to be president again.
	That's fine.
	2016, that was not the case.
	It wasn't the case.
	You know, Obama was done.
	And it was time to determine who the next president would be.
	And it was either going to be Trump or Hillary.
	And as such, consistency requires that if I had the opportunity to have a conservative nominee offered up, that I would be okay if that nominee were denied.
	Because a Democrat president or a Democrat majority leader said, hey, open seat.
	Open seat.
	Here comes a new president.
	Let's let the people decide to let that new president make the pick.
	I'd say that's okay, even if it meant my side might lose.
	Senator Ed Markey earlier today.
	They violated historic norms governing Supreme Court appointments.
	They created a precedent that the Senate would not confirm a justice to the Supreme Court during a presidential year, refusing to give now Attorney General Merrick Garland a hearing and a vote.
	They held the seat open for months and months and then allowed Donald Trump to appoint Neil Gorsuch.
	Exactly!
	And if Hillary had won, she would have been allowed to appoint Merrick Garland or anybody she pleased.
	That was called giving the American people, giving the voters a shot at making the Supreme Court a campaign issue, which was fantastic.
	They claimed that the proximity to a presidential election meant the seat had to be held open until the people, through their votes for president, could decide who should fill it.
	Senator McConnell even wrote that because we were, quote, in the midst of a presidential election process, we believe that the American people should seize the opportunity to weigh in.
	What a horrible concept!
	What a terrible, terrible, noxious, sinister idea to allow people to have a choice at a Supreme Court.
	With the ensuing election.
	Go figure.
	Mark Davis in for Dennis Prager.
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	Grab a line.
	1-8 Prager 776. It's Thursday.
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	Trending now on the Mike Dillinger Show.
	The Vice President of the United States of America.
	Honest to goodness, this is like a skit right out of the TV show Veep.
	You ever seen it?
	Julia Louis-Dreyfus?
	I'm warning you, it's definitely R-rated or PG-13.
	Lots of, you know, bad language.
	But it's honestly one of the most hysterical political satires in the history of political satires.
	And Kamala Harris is...
	Julia Louis-Dreyfus.
	What's her character's name?
	It's Selena Meyers, right?
	Selena Meyers, right.
	I think Kamala Harris is the actual character played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the TV series Veep.
	Because there's been an announcement made moments ago about Vice President Kamala Harris.
	You're going to think I'm making this up.
	You know how Kamala Harris was tapped?
	As President Biden's pick to deal with the immigration crisis we're facing in America, right?
	You're with me?
	They picked Kamala Harris to head up the effort.
	Well, people keep asking, why doesn't she go to the border?
	Why doesn't she, if she is in charge of figuring out the answers to these thousands and thousands of illegals, Who are pouring across our southern border.
	Why doesn't she go to the border?
	Well, she made an announcement today.
	She is going to travel.
	She is actually going to go somewhere.
	It's just that she's not exactly going to go to the border.
	It's not what you think it is.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on the Charlie Kirk Show.
	And so while their TV network ratings are cratering, their web traffic remains rather Therefore, this revelation is not insignificant.
	And guess what?
	This guy's the technical director.
	This guy oversees a lot of the digital operations.
	In Cut50, James O'Keefe describes to Sean Hannity what Project Veritas has released.
	I've never seen James O'Keefe wear a tie.
	It's really interesting.
	Good for him.
	Play tape.
	You saw the tapes.
	He's admitting the network is propaganda.
	He says they were trying to get Trump out without admitting that's what they were doing.
	And saw me confront him about that.
	I just want them to be honest.
	He's not being honest.
	They're deceiving.
	And he says that they're helping Biden.
	They're painting Biden.
	In order to help him with his aviator shades.
	So this is an extraordinary mission.
	It's the number two trending story globally on Twitter, which is ironic because Jack Dorsey banned Project Veritas from Twitter, yet our stories trend on Twitter.
	That means the truth is getting out there no matter what.
	And so CNN is the 85th most trafficked...
	It is Alexa.
	I was right.
	Website and global internet engagement, most traffic site, and our 240, and Alexa, I'm sorry, Fox, I'm getting so much information here.
	Fox is 246. Is that right?
	Am I reading that right, Connor?
	So CNN is a top 100 website.
	So don't underestimate the value of CNN. The cable network is a waste of time.
	No one watches that.
	It's a very unserious network.
	Their digital dominance is a very real thing.
	It is.
	Therefore, what James O'Keefe is revealing needs to be taken seriously.
	So my point is look at CNN more holistically outside of just Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer and Fredo.
	That's not the entirety of their influence.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on the Hugh Hewitt Show.
	We have Byron York of the Washington Examiner and Fox News join us most Tuesdays.
	He is with us this morning.
	He's just back from the border, and his Washington Examiner story is headlined, The Border is Even Worse Than You Think.
	Hello, Byron.
	How are you?
	Good morning, Hugh.
	Doing fine, thanks.
	No, I think it's pretty bad.
	Did you see Borders are Kamala Harris when you were down there?
	You know, I looked and looked and looked, but she was not there.
	And it's actually pretty obvious why she is not there, which is if she went, she would draw attention to just enormous failures, one after the other, by this administration.
	I just think it's no secret that no politician would want to go and take a big, big group of press with her.
	And say, here, look, we're failing here, and we're failing here, and we're failing here.
	Now, Byron, people like to know what a reporter's life is like.
	Where did you go, and how long did you stay at each of those places?
	This was in, I should say, in McAllen, Texas, and in Mission, Texas, which is one of the worst spots now.
	And the takeaway from this, the takeaway is the government's response to this incredible surge.
	of illegal border crossers is entirely improvised.
	I mean, it is totally jury-rigged.
	They are scrambling to deal with this.
	And the reason they're scrambling to deal with this is that President Biden, in his first days in office, just threw out the foundation of the way the government deals with migrants with nothing ready to replace it.
	Keep up with what's trending.
	Subscribe on YouTube today.
	Trending now on The Larry Elder Show.
	So Al is in Richmond, California.
	Al, you're on The Larry Elder Show.
	Thank you so much for calling.
	I appreciate it.
	My theory is that, my thought pattern is, don't let an officer be the arresting officer, the judge, the jury, and the executioner.
	It's unfortunate.
	You know, I've had these talks with young men before, and don't let that happen to you.
	And in reality, you don't have to follow a directive from a cop if you don't feel safe.
	Oh, yes, you do.
	Give me an example of when you don't feel safe and you can refuse an order, a lawful order from an officer.
	First of all, they don't order.
	They give you a directive.
	And if I'm sitting in my car and I haven't done anything...
	Semantics, Al.
	Semantics.
	If I feel safe in my car, the cop is rude, I don't want to confront this guy.
	Give me a supervisor.
	If a cop has a justifiable reason to stop you and probable cause to ask you certain questions, you do not...
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Mark Davis filling in from 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth.
	Hope all is well with you.
	And if you're just joining us, we are involved in a little court packing 101. The various reasons why it is a dreadful idea.
	And you know what?
	I'm going to offer you the same consistency test for myself.
	That I have on various other things, as we'll continue to visit a little bit of the Ed Markey introductory comments there from the steps of the Supreme Court on the occasion of the Judiciary Act of 2021, the Blue Ribbon Commission that Joe Biden suggested we needed to look at issues of the Supreme Court.
	Well, you know what the issues are of their Supreme Court is we got too many constitutionalist justices.
	Oh, it's terrible.
	We don't have the usual.
	Well, as I said, in terms of just a certain consistency test, that if the tides were turned, and if, as you know, in 2016, and again, a lot of this goes back to the Merrick Garland nomination.
	This isn't the only thing we're going to talk about, by the way.
	In fact, because next hour, let me tell you, next hour, a visit.
	With a man who is very much in the news and very much in our prayers, this week in history, in 1970, 51 years ago today, Apollo 13 had blown up on the way to the moon.
	And they continued the journey to the moon, swung around the backside, and limped home.
	And we wondered if we were going to lose three astronauts in space, Jim Lovell, Fred Hayes, and Jack Swigert.
	They made it back.
	It is the stuff of legend.
	It is the stuff of movie legend.
	The Ron Howard directed, Tom Hanks, Bill Paxton, Kevin Bacon playing the three astronauts.
	Fred Hayes, lunar module pilot of Apollo 13. I had a great conversation with him, and you will hear it in our next hour.
	Just please, Lord, amid all these things that are going so dreadfully wrong, can we go back and put our finger on the pulse of a time when America had this can-do spirit?
	When we were just an amazing force in so many ways.
	And we're headed back to space.
	We're headed back to the moon.
	And I just love it.
	I'm your official space dork host.
	So it's just, I hope it's an opportunity.
	For those of you who are old enough to remember, it'll be incredibly nostalgic.
	Four years later, just day.
	For those of you who were not old enough to remember, then maybe it'll be a little history lesson.
	That's next hour.
	All right, Ed Markey.
	Moments, about an hour or so ago.
	To the court to fill the seat held by the late, great Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
	So much for letting the people weigh in.
	What's the difference?
	Because Trump was running for re-election.
	As I made clear last hour, the rule is, and I think it's a sensible rule.
	If you have a Supreme Court vacancy in the actual election year, the full election campaign is underway, got a bunch of people running on both sides, as we had in 2016, then you don't nominate somebody because we are guaranteed to have a new president.
	If there is an incumbent president, does that incumbent president get to nominate somebody?
	Yes!
	And I'd say the same if it were a Democrat president.
	So, just consistency, consistency, consistency.
	I'm trying, man.
	By restoring balance.
	And we do it by adding four seats to the court to create a 13-member Supreme Court.
	God help us.
	These four new seats to be filled by President Biden will reconstitute the United States Supreme Court.
	Sure it will.
	The bench will then rightly reflect the values of the majority of the American people on whose behalf they serve.
	So, you realize there's no need for balance on the Supreme Court, right?
	I mean, what are we talking about?
	Liberal, conservative?
	Justices should not be thinking about their personal politics.
	And therein lies the problem.
	Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer.
	These are justices who clearly let their personal politics rule the day and rule their ruling.
	And you might say, but wait a minute, Mark.
	Gorsuch, Alito, Clarence Thomas?
	Aren't these folks allowing their personal conservatism to guide their rulings?
	No.
	You know what guides their rulings?
	The Constitution of the United States.
	Shocker.
	So why does it seem that rulings that are about the Constitution seem to favor conservatives?
	Fair question.
	Overturning Roe v.
	Wade.
	Conservatives love that because we're pro-life.
	But as I've said...
	I don't want Roe v.
	Wade overturned to feather my pro-life nest, to boost my political goals, my political intents, my societal view.
	I want Roe v.
	Wade overturned because Roe v.
	Wade is unconstitutional.
	It is that simple.
	A lot of things going on in the news these days that are not simple.
	And so obviously court packing is on the talk show plate, but so are a number of other things.
	So let me offer those up to you as well at 1-8 Prager 776, 1-8 Prager 776.
	Suzette, take in your calls.
	Call her and she'll put you right through to me.
	Mark Davis from 660 AM, The Answer in Dallas, Fort Worth.
	Filling in for Dennis today.
	Another night of violence in Brooklyn Center.
	The officer, Kimberly Potter.
	She has a court appearance later today.
	The sentence against her, or the sentence yet to be determined, the charge against her, second-degree manslaughter, carrying a penalty of 10 years for the killing of Daunte Wright.
	What a terrible tragedy.
	And in listening to a lot of talk radio and in conducting a lot of talk radio, I'm hearing a lot of things, and let me unpack them and let's see what...
	What you want to add to them at 1-8-Prager-776.
	It seems that we're very caught up in a thing of Daunte Wright would be alive if...
	Well, if you want to go chronologically, Daunte Wright would be alive if he didn't try to escape arrest.
	That is undeniably true.
	And so is there a lesson in this that says, don't run from the police?
	Don't run from the police.
	Don't run from the police?
	You're probably not going to die.
	Now, but that's insufficient.
	We're not done yet.
	Because every once in a while, folks are going to run from the police.
	Every once in a while, you're going to get a runner.
	A driver, as the case may be.
	Somebody who seeks to speed away to avoid that pesky incarceration.
	The question then becomes, what do the cops get to do?
	Do they get to kill the people who do that?
	That's gonna be a no.
	This is why, you know, God made tasers.
	And this was the intent, it appears, of Officer Potter.
	I'm gonna tase you, I'm gonna tase you, I'm gonna tase you, she says repeatedly on that tragic body cam.
	Of course, it's wonderful the body cam exists.
	Thank God for body cam.
	Every officer should have a body cam.
	It should never be turned off when any interface with the public of significance is underway.
	All right?
	And then she pulls an obvious gun.
	Of course, it's obvious to me watching the video 47 times.
	It's a gun in your hand, ma'am.
	What are you doing?
	Taser, taser, taser.
	And she shoots him in the stomach and he drives off and dies.
	And if you find yourself thinking, how in the world, how does she not know that that was her gun?
	That's a totally fair question.
	That's the question I have.
	And if her answer is, I made a mistake.
	Is that implausible?
	Because here's the other kind of unfortunate strain that I'm hearing.
	It's people who don't believe her story.
	They think she's lying when she says she made a mistake.
	Now, you realize what that means, don't you?
	It means that she saw Daunte Wright, saw him attempt to get away, and thought, I'll show this guy.
	I'm gonna kill him.
	And then made up the, oh gosh, I shot him.
	I didn't mean to.
	And that's all phony and she's lying.
	A couple of problems with that.
	First, it involves massive amounts of mind reading, which last time I checked was impossible.
	And the other thing is the only reason that people are saying that is because they so desperately need something to feed the narrative of evil, racist police out there intentionally killing all of our black people.
	And if it seems really hard, Listen, I'm human.
	I have reactions.
	And when I heard that, one of the first things I thought was, how in God's name do you make that mistake?
	And the answer is, you do.
	There's really no shortage of things.
	Right here in the DFW area, we went through a thing with an off-duty officer named Amber Geiger.
	She walked into an apartment.
	She walked up to what she thought was her apartment.
	The door was ajar.
	Uh-oh, she thinks.
	What's going on here?
	She creaks the door open in the dark.
	There's a guy, and she thinks, there's a guy in my apartment.
	She draws her weapon and kills him.
	His name was Botham Jean.
	Problem was, uh-oh, not her apartment.
	It was his apartment.
	She opened the door of his own apartment, killed him right there.
	This struck me as criminal negligence, a mistake so profoundly tragic.
	That it was, in fact, the commission of a crime.
	I feel the same way about Officer Potter.
	What ought to happen to her?
	Let's talk about that as well as we continue.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	What actually is election interference?
	Information is power, we are told.
	We know that to be true.
	When people consume information, they make choices.
	Information is easily spread and also easily spread incorrectly.
	We've been lectured by the left on misinformation and disinformation for years.
	From people that run message boards on websites I can't even find and somehow they're a threat to our republic.
	What if I told you that a network that is mostly in airports, but also in 90 million homes, is actually a functioning Democrat super PAC? Trending now on America First with Sebastian Berger.
	And how hard was it for three vaccines to be created in less than a calendar year?
	Could you give us some of the inside story?
	How hard was it to get the U.S. government with the corporations to create that historic success?
	Well, it was very hard.
	We had an FDA that takes a long time to approve things, as you know.
	You had Fauci saying it's going to take three years, maybe much longer.
	Most people thought you couldn't do it in five years.
	Most people thought you'd never even get a vaccine.
	I felt confident that we did something else.
	We spent billions of dollars on manufacturing the vaccine before we even knew if it was going to work.
	It was a calculated risk.
	And if we didn't do that, you wouldn't have had it for nine months after the date that they announced, which, as you know, because of what I did with drug prices with the favorite nation's laws, that's going to be the biggest thing ever, assuming Biden keeps it for drug prices.
	The drug companies aren't exactly in love with me.
	And they announced it two days after.
	I think everyone knew we were right there, but they announced it two days after.
	Now, supposing they announced it before, though, Sebastian, the press would have played it down.
	So if they announced it before, they would have acted like no big deal.
	When they announced it after, they made a big deal out of it.
	But between the FDA... Who we pushed at a level that they've never been pushed before.
	So we got the vaccine done in less than nine months, and it would have taken three to five years.
	I don't think they ever would have had it.
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	The Vice President of the United States of America.
	Honest to goodness, this is like a skit right out of the TV show Veep.
	You know, bad language.
	But it's honestly one of the most hysterical political satires in the history of political satires.
	And Kamala Harris is Julia Louis.
	What's her character's name?
	It's Selena Myers, right?
	Selena Myers, right.
	I think Kamala Harris is the actual...
	Character played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the TV series Veep.
	Because there's been an announcement made moments ago about Vice President Kamala Harris.
	you're gonna think i'm making this up keep up with what's trending subscribe on youtube today trending now on the hugh hewitt show uh the infrastructure plan is incredibly reckless incredibly reckless.
	It's going to make...
	In fact, I do.
	Solomon Burke knows it.
	You know it.
	But we laugh lest we cry.
	We press on lest we give up.
	No giving up.
	No retreat.
	No surrender.
	When things seem at their darkest, that is when we need to ramp up.
	Our efforts.
	Hey, everybody.
	Mark Davis on a Thursday in for Dennis Prager.
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	It's like another entire show happening over there.
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	All right.
	Hanging out with you on the phones at 1-8-Prager-776.
	And I was about halfway through the Brooklyn Center issue on how this is going to go.
	With Officer Kim Potter, second-degree manslaughter.
	Not enough for many.
	I don't care about the charge as much as I do about the sentencing.
	Will she get the maximum sentence?
	It's funny.
	Sometimes juries think that people have been undercharged, and so they give the maximum sentence.
	Sometimes people think folks have been overcharged so they give the minimum sentence.
	It's a way for juries to kind of weigh in with their flavor of what they think justice ought to yield.
	And in the case of Officer Potter, who had been, what, more than 25 years on the force, and it even accentuates even more loudly the question, how in the world does somebody with that kind of experience make that kind of mistake?
	Is it implausible?
	And no, it's not.
	Sometimes, sometimes, people make horrific mistakes.
	I mentioned Amber Geiger.
	A lot of people don't believe her either.
	I did.
	I don't know.
	Maybe I've talked to too many people, seen too many people, had too many brain farts myself.
	Excuse me.
	Nothing like this.
	Not where I killed somebody accidentally.
	But I'm going to give you a category of thing.
	I don't know if we've talked about it here on The Prager Show, but I have in doing...
	Talk shows for almost 40 years.
	There's something I'm going to identify for you that happens a lot.
	I mean, we're coming into the warm weather season, so get ready for one of these probably every couple of weeks.
	How does somebody leave their kid in the back of the car?
	How does somebody...
	You ever get this?
	I mean, every time it happens, you know, some poor baby, some poor toddler, some poor, you know, young kid just roasts in the back of a car on a 95-degree day because, you know...
	Mom went in to get her hair done and forgot the kid was in the backseat.
	How in the world can somebody be that mentally screwed up?
	Answer is, it happens.
	It happens.
	Now, it's funny because it's a similar thing there because people think, well, they've suffered enough.
	What?
	I'm sure they have.
	But we can't let that go.
	That's criminal negligence.
	I believe Officer Potter when she says it was a mistake.
	But some mistakes are so egregious, some mistakes are so consequential, some mistakes are so inexcusable that they constitute the commission of a crime.
	So is 10 years enough for this?
	I don't ever have a magic number in my head, like one magic number.
	I have...
	You know what I sort of refer to as the range of what's acceptable to me.
	And I bet you have it too.
	Like right now, I could probably have a range of what Officer Potter ought to get.
	And maybe your range is, you know, 40 years to death.
	Maybe your range is a year or two.
	That would seem a little lenient to me.
	Just as the 40-plus would seem a little harsh.
	You know, I think my range would probably be something like, you know, 5 to 15. Split the difference, you get 10. You know, 20 seems a bit much.
	And I know that always people say, oh, you remember the poor city manager in Brooklyn Center?
	They had the mayor, the mayor, Mayor Mike Elliott.
	God love him.
	Bless his heart.
	I feel for him.
	He is just so totally overwhelmed in every news conference they had.
	Bless his heart.
	He never saw this coming.
	But here it is.
	And they have these weird press conferences where either they're issuing press credentials to activists or there are some reporters who happen to be activists.
	Like that never happens.
	Like that happens in the White House press corps.
	And one of the questions was, Mr. Mayor, do you think that at the very least this woman should not be a cop anymore?
	She should never be a cop again.
	By the way, fair question.
	And the mayor, it's not really his call, says, yep, sounds good to me.
	She should never be a cop again.
	That's kind of the city manager's deal, but if you're asking me, that's my answer.
	So they asked the city manager.
	City manager says, yeah, there's due process here.
	It'd be inappropriate for me to comment.
	There's going to be an investigation, and so I'm not going to weigh in on that anymore, or right now.
	That got him fired.
	Can't have that pesky due process thing here when the street has a thirst for its level of vengeance-based justice.
	Down the road is the Derek Chauvin trial.
	Oh, news from the Chauvin trial.
	He will not testify on his own behalf.
	Eh.
	I don't know whether it's a good or bad idea.
	If somebody is a really good, compelling witness, they ought to testify.
	If they're not, they shouldn't.
	I don't know.
	And by the way, I also have no idea how that trial is going to go.
	George Floyd's dead for a number of reasons.
	Partially because he was absolutely amped up on enormous amounts of fentanyl and meth.
	He's also dead because Officer Chauvin put his knee on his neck for nine minutes.
	How is the pie sliced?
	I tell you what, take away either of those?
	I don't think George Floyd dies if he's just driving around on meth and fentanyl.
	I also don't think George Floyd dies if he's not on drugs and he's got somebody's knee on his head for nine minutes.
	But put them together and, well, the stars align tragically and he dies.
	How much of that is Officer Chauvin's fault?
	To me, the answer is some.
	Does it make him a murderer?
	So we'll see what the jury says.
	God help Minneapolis if the jury doesn't return the verdict that the street wants.
	Just, you know, hope that fire department still has some water left in the hoses.
	So in this particular case in Brooklyn Center, just about a half hour north of Minneapolis, they had to figure out what to charge this woman with.
	They went with second-degree manslaughter, 10-year maximum sentence.
	If she winds up getting a year or two, that will strike me as very soft.
	But you know what?
	We're all kind of entitled to our opinion on this.
	Can I ask a question?
	Why are they rioting?
	By the way, I know the answers that would come back for this.
	Like, we're tired of this.
	It's another black man killed by another white cop.
	I get it.
	You do realize that there's no evidence that race had anything to do with this, right?
	Anything.
	It just kind of fits the narrative, and they need the narrative.
	And by the way, part of the narrative is to honor Daunte Wright by, you know, stealing a TV out of the local Walmart.
	Because nothing says honor the dead like larceny.
	Rioters are going to riot.
	In the real world, and in a responsible world, and this is true after George Floyd.
	Remember when George Floyd actually died?
	Remember that video was all over the place?
	And I do talk shows for a living.
	I couldn't find anybody to say that was great police work.
	Everybody said something horribly wrong happened on that video.
	Either horribly bad police work where he ought to be fired forever, or some level of crime where he ought to go to jail for something, all the way up to he's a murderer.
	That was the range of conversation.
	In a normal, mature country...
	It has its act together.
	We would have had that debate, that conversation about what happened to Officer Chauvin.
	That conversation was impossible with our cities on fire.
	So we're just not handling things well at the moment.
	So we're trying to handle them well here on the show.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Your calls next.
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	Calling new Biden legislation an infrastructure plan is like calling a shark a dolphin.
	They both may have dorsal fins, but you mistake one for the other at your peril.
	Don't be fooled.
	Only 5% of the bill's spending would actually go for roads and bridges, what normal people think of as infrastructure.
	Add in items like Amtrak and broadband, and you're still only at 30% of the eye-popping total of $2.3 trillion.
	And you're supposed to pay for all of this with the biggest tax increase since 1968. Here's what's worse.
	The bill is actually about leftist social engineering.
	It would end right to work, something the left hates because it guarantees no one can be forced to join a union or pay union dues in order to hold a job.
	Ending it offers a rich new source of campaign contributions for Democrats.
	Calling a shark a dolphin doesn't make it one.
	I'm Carol Platt-Lebow.
	I'm Carol Platt-Lebow.
	That was not the Trump plan.
	The Trump plan was to leave troops at Bagram, as far as I understand it.
	Now we're not going to do that.
	What's going to happen to Bagram?
	It's going to be like Taliban Central.
	Well, Bagram, I think there's a missed opportunity there to talk about the enduring relevance of Bagram, particularly in light of great power competition, right?
	In other words, if we go to war with China, bombers coming out of Bagram provide us with an opportunity to target Western targets for China, including their space and their counter space assets.
	And I really think as we...
	To confront honestly the fact that the American people do want us to responsibly reduce our presence over time, we can have a grown-up conversation about where are the areas where we want to leave an enduring presence as we transition to great power competition, and Bagram is one of those.
	The other thing I'd say is...
	Setting the date on 9-11-2021, I think, is a really dumb move.
	I think it hands a PR victory to the Taliban.
	I think it totally undermines everything that Biden said as a candidate, criticizing Trump for politically motivated timelines and not condition-based withdrawal.
	I think there's other unanswered questions around whether our allies were consulted during this process.
	The fact that right now they're briefing NATO allies in Brussels suggests that they weren't, that the decision was made.
	Without an honest discussion with our allies.
	The other thing I think we need clarity on is how the administration intends to avoid that Saigon moment.
	With the Taliban already failing to live up to its obligations under the peace agreement, once we're out, we will unlikely be able to get back in if needed.
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	The governor of Minnesota is named Tim Walsh, and he tweeted late last night, Gwen and I are praying for Dante Wright's family as our state mourns another life of a black man taken by law enforcement.
	Why did the governor feel a need to refer to this man's race as black?
	Because the governor is buying into the narrative that the police are disproportionately, unreasonably, unfairly, unlawfully killing black people.
	Is there any evidence that what happened, however tragic, would have been different had this person been white?
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	Here we go.
	It's the Dennis Prager Show for Thursday, 15 April 2021.
	Glad you are here, Mark.
	Mark Davis in for Dennis.
	Let's hop back to your call, see what's going on.
	We are in Chicago.
	John, hey, Mark Davis in for Dennis.
	Welcome.
	How are you?
	I'm good, sir.
	It's a pleasure to talk to you again.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	I really, having listened to you talk about policing, there's part of me that really wants to talk to you about that, but...
	That's not what I told your call screener.
	So in the interest of sticking to the subject, I want to ask you about your honesty.
	If we can be concise, you and me, maybe we'll cover both.
	What do you want to do first?
	Go.
	Okay.
	Well, the reason I called was because I wanted to respond to your comments about Supreme Court justices.
	I understand that, in your view, the more conservative justices who are appointed by Republican presidents are paragons of Judicial objectivity and perfect guilty to the Constitution, and the ones who you don't align with ideologically are all diabolical, revisionist, activist ideologues.
	With some of the modifiers put aside, you're pretty close to correct on that.
	I do view the constitutionalists as ruling in the Constitution, and the liberals as deviating from it.
	On what basis would you differ?
	I guess I wanted to ask you this.
	You allowed for the possibility that despite the ideological inclinations of a given justice who might be perceived as conservative, they are constitutionally totally objective.
	Is it not possible, sir, that someone who is ideologically liberal could be appointed to the court and yet be just as constitutionally And given that you don't even have any idea who Joe Biden might appoint to the court, isn't it possible that if the court was expanded, he would appoint exactly those kind of justices who would not be activists?
	I have no reason to believe that based on recent history.
	If we take a look at Elena Kagan, at Sonia Sotomayor, at Ruth Bader Ginsburg, at Stephen Breyer, these are people whose rulings...
	Constantly shape the Constitution into their worldview.
	That's what liberals do.
	And I have no reason whatsoever to expect that Joe Biden, especially being led around by whatever forces are leading him around, would deviate from that.
	Well, I know that you'll bristle at this, but I feel that's because of your own ideological inclinations.
	That's why I asked you.
	That's why I asked you to challenge me on this.
	Because, I mean, identify a ruling, identify a justice.
	There is no right to abortion in the Constitution.
	It's not there.
	They've put it there because they thought it seemed like it ought to be there.
	I don't want...
	Okay, but there are plenty of...
	Go ahead, I'm sorry.
	There are plenty of rulings by conservatives that are considered...
	Name one.
	First of all, there are plenty of rulings by conservatives that are considered activists, and there are rulings by conservative justices that you disagree with, like when Justice Roberts upheld the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act.
	But I would say that Antonin and...
	I would say, sir, I would say to you, sir, that Antonin Scalia's majority opinion in the Heller ruling is a complete revision of the Constitution and set aside decades of precedent.
	And you know that's true.
	But those precedents were wrong.
	Those precedents were unconstitutional.
	Those precedents flouted the Second Amendment.
	I don't favor gun rights because I like guns.
	I favor gun rights because they're there.
	They're codified in the Constitution.
	The Second Amendment gives me that right to bear arms.
	Go ahead.
	But if you'll allow me, from my perspective, you just deviate from that because that's your ideology.
	You like his decision because it aligns with your ideology.
	Do I have the right to bear arms, yes or no?
	You do, sir.
	But had the Supreme Court, prior to the Heller ruling, had any Supreme Court ever found an individual right to own guns?
	Ever.
	Had that ever happened before?
	They never had to.
	There are all kinds of, because one presumes that it's there in the original language of the Constitution.
	Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.
	I think we got about a minute.
	I think we got about a minute.
	Let's do 60 seconds of policing.
	You're a wonderful call.
	Yeah, I think that Howard was massively activist.
	Stop it, stop it, stop it.
	Go, go, go.
	Okay, if you said you didn't know of...
	Anybody who says the police who, in instances where an unarmed black person is killed, that those police, like Derek Chauvin, that they behaved wonderfully, that everything they did was perfect.
	And I'm surprised to hear you say that, because if you want to see people who really think that when police have killed somebody like...
	George Floyd, I mean, just in the George Floyd case, all you have to do is look at the comment thread for the radio show you're hosting right now.
	That's the worst way.
	Listen, I can find somebody on the comments thread who thinks you and I are from Jupiter.
	I don't go to comments threads for anything.
	I take a look at actual veins of opinion and things of that nature, and I found none of that.
	Back in a moment.
	I'm just...
	There's a...
	Very cool.
	Trending now on America First with Sebastian Berka.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Will the never Trump class still exist or can we finally rid ourselves of those who say they're conservatives, Mr. President, but who really don't love this country?
	We always have rhinos, and in many ways the Democrats beat out the rhinos.
	Sometimes some of these people within the party, when you have—and obviously the Mitt Romneys, the little Ben Sasses, the people that are Murkowski in Alaska does just a horrible job.
	When you have people like that, they don't seem to have—they stick together.
	Democrats stick together.
	They have horrible policy.
	Fortunately for the Republicans, you wouldn't have a Republican Party.
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	You stared down China.
	You put Russia back in their box.
	Now we have an incumbent in the White House who gives national addresses about female shaped body armor and maternity flight suits.
	What do our enemies, the ones you had to deal with, what do they think of the current incumbent?
	I think they're laughing at us like they've never laughed before.
	You could say there's politically correct armed forces where they're sending out documents talking about all sorts of things that shouldn't be discussed, that shouldn't even be...
	Thought about, you look at what's going on illegally within the Army.
	I mean, I actually, now I asked somebody the other day, so if a general tells a private what to do, and if the general's slightly harsh, is that acceptable?
	And they weren't sure how to answer the question.
	Do you understand?
	This is just crazy what's going on.
	No, I think the world is laughing at us.
	And they weren't laughing before.
	When we were in, they were not laughing, Sebastian.
	I'll tell you what.
	We didn't have this problem with Russia.
	We didn't have China circling Taiwan.
	We didn't have all of the things that are happening right now.
	We had a very good relationship with Kim Jong-un.
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	The Vice President of the United States of America.
	Honest to goodness, this is like a skit right out of the TV show Veep.
	You ever seen it?
	Julia Louis-Dreyfus?
	I'm warning you, it's definitely R-rated or PG-13.
	Lots of, you know, bad language.
	But it's honestly one of the most hysterical political satires in the history of political satires.
	And Kamala Harris is...
	Julia Louis-Dreyfus.
	What's her character's name?
	It's Selena Meyers, right?
	Selena Meyers, right.
	I think Kamala Harris is the actual character played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the TV series Veep.
	Because there's been an announcement made moments ago about Vice President Kamala Harris.
	You're going to think I'm making this up.
	You know how Kamala Harris was tapped?
	As President Biden's pick to deal with the immigration crisis we're facing in America, right?
	You're with me?
	They picked...
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	Doug, Mark Davison for Dennis.
	How you doing?
	Hey, good.
	How are you?
	Hey, they had a commentary.
	Doug Sattel, S-I-T-T-E-L, on Google.
	And YouTube, Buffalo, just scroll to the last 20 minutes.
	Okay, we're not plugging stuff.
	We are in Los Angeles.
	Gregory, Mark Davis, hi.
	How are you?
	Good Lord, people.
	Hi, Mark.
	I'm taking my call in the audience.
	Two things coming out of my mind.
	First of all, there's more than just one officer involved in this tragedy, and that's also be a party that was killed.
	And, you know, what did he or she participate in in bringing this to their way?
	That has to be reminded of our person of color.
	So whenever things like this happen, what did the parties involved do to bring all this to a apex?
	Gregory, stop.
	I have a question for you.
	I have a very, very...
	So, pardon me.
	Maybe the host is slow.
	What?
	Just run that by me once again slowly.
	Okay.
	The opposition was in the force for 26 years?
	Right.
	Okay.
	With that said, How much liberty did she have in terms of how she arranged the equipment on her utility belt?
	I've noticed some officers over time, sometimes they put things in different places than they normally would by protocol.
	What did she do differently this time?
	The police chief said that their general practice is to have the service weapon on your dominant side, if you're right-handed, there's your gun, and have a taser on your non-dominant side.
	He said that was the way it was done.
	Okay.
	And the question is, why did she instinctively reach for the service revolver?
	That's all going to have to come through in terms of the inquisition, the inquest.
	All right.
	Thank you, Mark.
	Thank you.
	Her assertion is massive.
	And listen, as a layperson, and let's all stipulate, those of us who have not been cops, let's say that to ourselves 500 times.
	But I'll be honest with you.
	There are many, many times where in the midst of a conversation about a police shooting, I'll be the guy telling you, you're not a cop, I'm not a cop, we need to walk in their shoes.
	And usually it's when someone says, you know, why did the officer fire on a suspect who had, you know, reached into the band of his sweatpants?
	Or, you know, reached under the seat of a car.
	Why didn't you just wait around a little longer and see what the guy pulls out?
	And what?
	And be dead?
	No thank you.
	These things happen in a split second of timing.
	You don't hear me saying that about Officer Potter.
	Because this was a split-second decision, too.
	This was a fast-breaking situation, too.
	But this is a mistake she doesn't get to make.
	There was no basis for the killing of Daunte Wright.
	None.
	Now, I tell you what, do you ever get to kill somebody as they're running away?
	Yep.
	If it's some, you know, crazed, escaped murderer or some imminent danger to someone, you can kill somebody as they run away.
	That was not the case, or drive away.
	That was not the case here.
	So that's why her story is, Tragic, horrible mistake.
	I'm willing to accept that because I have no way to presume otherwise.
	Was she lying?
	I don't know.
	And nobody ever will know.
	So we have to punish what she has done.
	And listen, if somebody wants to, in the prosecution of Officer Potter, try to make some point that it wasn't in fact a mistake, good luck with that mind reading.
	I think what we have is the situation as she describes it.
	And that is that she made a mistake.
	That is not a mistake you get to make.
	It is not excusable.
	It is criminal in its scope.
	So the question is, and here's the thing, everybody should have seen this coming.
	There's no reason for the rioting.
	The wheels were going to turn.
	Now I gotta tell you, if the wheels turn and she gets like, you know, a year, even then rioting's not okay, but at least then you know that there's some injustice that you can say, that's just not right.
	Having all the rioting kick in while she's being arraigned is a touch premature.
	We are in Minneapolis.
	That seems appropriate.
	Hey, Dan.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	How you doing?
	Hi, Mark.
	Dan here.
	And, of course, I was thinking you were at my point, but then you asked a question, why are they rioting and looting?
	And you and I both know it's because they don't fear God.
	They don't love the Word of God.
	I can chalk that up to all kinds of misbehavior, but anyway.
	Yeah, but that addresses it primarily.
	I would not argue.
	And then, I was going to make, if I may, a comment on George Floyd.
	We all know it was tragic, but George Floyd was sitting in the cop car, complaining he couldn't breathe.
	He wasn't on the ground, and he asked, I believe, to lay down on the ground.
	I may be wrong, but then at some point he resisted arrest that justified in the mind of Derek Chauvin to restrain him, and he was trained, but his leg across the back.
	It wasn't across his back, it was on his head.
	George Floyd was totally resisting arrest.
	He was totally resisting arrest.
	You're completely right.
	He was not cooperative.
	If he'd cooperated, he's walking around alive today.
	Might be in jail, but he'd be alive today.
	The question is, as it was with Daunte Wright, if somebody's uncooperative, if somebody's trying, what do you get to do?
	What do you get to do?
	I don't try to make stuff up.
	Here's where it does kick in that I'm not a cop.
	One of the most storied veteran cops on the Minneapolis force said that Chauvin's use of force there was beyond what was necessary.
	To keep him down.
	So I'm going to go with that.
	All righty.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
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	We have Byron York of the Washington Examiner and Fox News join us most Tuesdays.
	He is with us this morning.
	He's just back from the border, and his Washington Examiner story is headlined, The Border is Even Worse Than You Think.
	Hello, Byron.
	How are you?
	Good morning, Hugh.
	Doing fine, thanks.
	No, I think it's pretty bad.
	Did you see Borders are Kamala Harris when you were down there?
	You know, I looked and looked and looked, but she was not there.
	And it's actually pretty obvious why she is not there, which is if she went, she would draw attention to just enormous failures one after the other by this administration.
	I just think it's no secret that no politician would want to go and take a big, big group of press with her.
	And say, here, look, we're failing here, and we're failing here, and we're failing here.
	Now, Byron, people like to know what a reporter's life is like.
	Where did you go, and how long did you stay at each of those places?
	This was in, I should say, in McAllen, Texas, and in Mission, Texas, which is one of the worst spots now.
	And the takeaway from this, the takeaway is the government's response to this incredible surge.
	of illegal border crossers is entirely improvised.
	I mean, it is totally jury-rigged.
	They are scrambling to deal with this.
	And the reason they're scrambling to deal with this is that President Biden, in his first days in office, just threw out the foundation of the way the government deals with migrants with nothing ready to replace it.
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	Music Al is in Richmond, California.
	Al, you're on The Larry Elder Show.
	Thank you so much for calling.
	I appreciate it.
	My theory is that my thought pattern is don't let an officer be the arresting officer, the judge, the jury, and the executioner.
	It's unfortunate.
	You know, I've had these talks with young men before, and don't let that happen to you.
	And in reality, you don't have to follow a directive from a cop if you don't feel safe.
	Oh, yes, you do.
	Give me an example of when you don't feel safe and you can refuse an order, a lawful order from an officer.
	First of all, they don't order.
	They give you a directive.
	And if I'm sitting in my car and I haven't done anything...
	Semantics, Al.
	Semantics.
	No, it's not semantics.
	If I feel safe in my car, the cop is rude, I don't want to confront this guy.
	Give me a supervisor.
	If a cop has a justifiable reason to stop you and probable cause to ask you certain questions, you do not have a right to refuse.
	Well, how do you know it's a lawful order?
	You see, Al, your attitude is exactly...
	And final segment of this hour on the Dennis Prager Show, Mark Davis in for Dennis.
	Coming up beginning of next hour, we're going to go back in time.
	51 years.
	America and the world waited with bated breath to see if the Apollo 13 astronauts would get home alive after blowing up after their spacecraft exploded on the way to the moon.
	Lunar module pilot Fred Hayes is 87 and living in Mississippi.
	And I had a great conversation with him, and you'll hear it as we begin the next hour.
	And then a room where any leftover thoughts you may have on anything going on in the news.
	Plenty of that going on so far.
	We are in Columbus, Ohio.
	Mary, hey, Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Welcome.
	Yes, hello, Mark.
	I just want to say I'm very distressed because you keep talking about the sentence for this woman who killed the man accidentally.
	But you're not giving her a due process.
	She hasn't been declared guilty.
	And I think the whole thing is going to happen.
	You're distressing me, sir, because you're calling her guilty.
	We have video.
	Due process is what the system must require, and that's totally true.
	You and I as human beings can talk about it to whatever degree we wish.
	Do you see in the video anything, anything, that suggests that no crime was committed?
	I'm not going to decide.
	I'm just saying I don't like the discussion assuming she's guilty because...
	He was reaching in his car.
	We don't know what he was reaching in the car for.
	I believe it was an accident.
	That's why I've asked.
	And honestly, we should always remain very open to such things.
	If I saw him reaching for something suspiciously, I'd be the one sitting here talking about it.
	As it is, we're kind of making stuff up here.
	We saw what we saw.
	If there's something in her defense that says, if she comes out in court and says, you know what, first of all, she says taser, taser, taser, and then shoots him with a gun.
	So, you know, we kind of know what we know, Mary.
	We kind of know what we know.
	We know it was an accident, right?
	We absolutely do.
	I believe that.
	So, is that an accident the cops get to make with impunity?
	No, it's not.
	No, it's not.
	No, but I still say, let us give her due process.
	Mary, this is very important.
	Due process is what the courts must do.
	Due process has nothing to do with you and me talking about it.
	We can sit here and sling hot opinions all day long.
	Reasonable, unreasonable, that's free speech.
	But I will tell you, I am absolutely always vigilant for people who seem to be presumptuous about something.
	If they're drawing a conclusion without evidence or making stuff up or something like that, oh, absolutely, you bet.
	But God bless body cams because you see what you see.
	Now, do you see everything in a body cam?
	No, you don't.
	Is there something maybe we hadn't seen?
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	And if that arises, well, I'll certainly revise my view at that point, as we all should.
	All righty.
	I was 12 years old in April of 1970. And I was, yeah, I was 12. And I was so deeply into the moon landings.
	This was the third.
	This would have been the third, but an explosion almost killed Jim Lovell, Fred Hayes, and Jack Swigert.
	Captain Hayes will be with us next on the Dennis Prager Show.
	Can't wait.
	Stick around.
	All righty, man.
	And thank you.
	Thank you.
	Could you give us some of the inside story?
	How hard was it to get the U.S. government with the corporations to create that historic success?
	Well, it was very hard.
	We had an FDA that takes a long time to approve things, as you know.
	You had Fauci saying it's going to take three years, maybe much longer.
	Most people thought you couldn't do it in five years.
	Most people thought you'd never even get a vaccine.
	I felt confident that we did something else.
	We spent billions of dollars on manufacturing the vaccine before we even knew if it was going to work.
	It was a calculated risk.
	And if we didn't do that, you wouldn't have had it for nine months after the date that they announced, which, as you know, because of what I did with drug prices, with the favorite nation's laws, that's going to be the biggest thing ever, assuming Biden keeps it, for drug prices.
	The drug companies aren't exactly in love with me.
	And they announced it two days after.
	I think everyone knew we were right there, but they announced it two days after.
	Now, supposing they announced it before, though, Sebastian, the press would have played it down.
	So if they announced it before, they would have acted like no big deal.
	When they announced it after, they made a big deal out of it.
	But between the FDA, who we pushed...
	At a level that they've never been pushed before.
	So we got the vaccine done in less than nine months, and it would have taken three to five years.
	I don't think they ever would have had it.
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	Trending now on The Mike Gallagher Show.
	The Vice President of the United States of America.
	Honest to goodness, this is like a skit right out of the TV show Veep.
	You know, bad language.
	But it's honestly one of the most hysterical political satires in the history of political satires.
	And Kamala Harris is Julia Louis.
	What's her character's name?
	It's Selena Myers, right?
	Selena Myers, right.
	I think Kamala Harris is the actual...
	Character played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the TV series Veep.
	Because there's been an announcement made moments ago about Vice President Kamala Harris.
	You're gonna think I'm making this up. - The infrastructure plan is incredibly reckless.
	Incredibly reckless.
	It's going to make our infrastructure problems worse because it repeats the failed mistake of the past where we over-invest and we discount the cost of maintaining infrastructure over the life cycle of a project.
	The fundamental problem is our assets are depreciating and crumbling more quickly than they were back then.
	And this is going to make that problem far worse.
	There is so many ridiculous proposals in this bill.
	And now they're coming to us saying, when they have $2 trillion for every grab bag progressive initiative under the sun, that we can't afford to grow the defense budget by 3-5% every year.
	year, it makes absolutely no sense.
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	you Thank you.
	you Jared is in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota.
	Jared, you're on the Larry Elder Show.
	Thank you so much for calling.
	I appreciate it.
	Mr. Elder, sir, we have a country to save.
	Absolutely.
	And do we have our work cut out for us or what?
	Tell me about it.
	I just wanted to call and say thank you for sending the message of comply and don't die.
	I think I don't know anybody who is not for making sure our police officers are doing an appropriate job without any sort of, you know, hostility towards anybody of any sort of demographic.
	But the idea that the media and BLM promote that the police are inherently bad isn't good for anybody.
	And I don't know of any case where people resisting arrest has worked out for anybody's benefit.
	Well, Jerry, thank you so much for calling.
	I appreciate it.
	Shannon, Brooklyn Center, Minnesota.
	Shannon, you're on the Larry Elder Show.
	I live about a mile from where all this happened last night, and the mother of Dante Wright showed up, and she said her peace.
	She asked for peace.
	She asked for no destruction, and for a while it was peaceful.
	But then cars started flooding into our city from all directions.
	Agitators showed up, getting everybody riled up.
	And the worst part about all of this is the places that were looted last night were all the same places that were looted after George Floyd, including down in South Minneapolis and St. Paul.
	Wow.
	A lot of these businesses were minority-owned, and they're just devastated.
	up with what's trending.
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	This is Carol Platt-Lebow for townhall.com.
	Calling new Biden legislation an infrastructure plan is like calling a shark a dolphin.
	They both may have dorsal fins, but you mistake one for the other at your peril.
	Don't be fooled.
	Only 5% of the bill's spending would actually go for roads and bridges, what normal people think of as infrastructure.
	Add in items like Amtrak and broadband, and you're still only at 30% of the eye-popping total of $2.3 trillion.
	And you're supposed to pay for all of this with the biggest tax increase since 1968. Here's what's worse.
	The bill is actually about leftist social engineering.
	It would end right to work, something the left hates because it guarantees no one can be forced to join a union or pay union dues in order to hold a job.
	Ending it offers a rich new source of campaign contributions for Democrats.
	Calling a shark a dolphin doesn't make it one.
	I'm Carol Platt-Lebow.
	Trending now on the Hugh Hewitt Show.
	The President announced yesterday we're skedaddling from Afghanistan.
	That was not the Trump plan.
	The Trump plan was to leave troops at Bagram, as far as I understand it.
	Now we're not going to do that.
	What's going to happen to Bagram?
	It's going to be like Taliban Central.
	Well, Bagram, I think there's a missed opportunity there to talk about the enduring relevance of Bagram, particularly in light of great power competition, right?
	In other words, if we go to war with China, bombers coming out of Bagram. - For Dennis, bombers coming out of Bagram. - For Dennis, with China, bombers coming out of Bagram. - For For Dennis, Sean, I know what you're doing here.
	Are you aware of the significance of Norman Greenbaum's spirit in the sky?
	To what I'm about to do?
	He's no fool.
	This is great!
	This was a big record, 69-70 in the era of Apollo 13, and I believe in the movie, and I believe that's true to form.
	They had like an operating soundtrack of stuff on cassette that they were playing around with.
	Just please, Lord, get everybody excited again about a trip to the moon.
	And Norman Greenbaum's Spirit in the Sky was on that Apollo 13 soundtrack.
	Well, on that mission were Jim Lovell, an amazing space veteran who was on the crew of Apollo 8 with Frank Borman and Bill Anders, who really were the first people to go to the moon.
	The first people to land, of course, that's Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, etc.
	But in Christmastime 1968, you remember when they read from the book of Genesis from lunar orbit?
	Oh, be still my heart.
	Be still my pre-adolescent heart for that wonderful, wonderful Christmas when I had just turned 11. Anyway, Jim Lovell was chosen to be the commander of Apollo 13, to land on the moon and walk on the moon with his lunar module pilot, Fred Hayes.
	There was weirdness leading up to the April 11th date.
	The third crewman, the command module pilot, was slated to be Ken Mattingly.
	He was exposed to rubella, so he got knocked off at like the last minute, and Jack Swigert gets pulled in.
	So it's Lovell, Hazen, Swigert ready to go to the moon to what are called the Fra Mauro Highlands of the moon for our third moon landing, the first one we all know about.
	The second one, maybe not.
	That's Pete Conrad and Alan Bean in November of 1969. I was still paying attention.
	And then by the third mission, America had grown quite nonchalant.
	So it was right after a TV broadcast from the spacecraft on the 13th of April on Apollo 13. You can see this one, Kevin, you Triscodecaphobiacs.
	And it's time for what's called a cryo-stir.
	A routine stir of the oxygen tanks inside the cylindrical service module that's behind the cone-shaped command module that holds all three astronauts.
	The lunar module, the spindly bug-like thing that lands on the moon, is attached to the front end of the whole spacecraft.
	And there they are, hooked up, ready to go, just a day or so away from the moon and landing on it and walking on it for the third time.
	An explosion gives us the famous quote, Houston, we have a problem.
	And instantly, power is being lost.
	Oxygen is being lost.
	All hope is being lost.
	The chance to walk on the moon is totally gone.
	But it becomes pretty clear that what might also be lost are the lives of three astronauts.
	I had the incredible pleasure this week of...
	Listen, a few years ago, I was on a stage here in DFW at the Frontiers of Flight Museum with Jim Lovell and Fred Hayes.
	Talking about this amazing week in history.
	And I had the incomparable opportunity just a couple of days ago here and during this week of the Apollo 13 anniversary to talk to Fred Hayes about what happened, what it was like, and what his thoughts have been in the 51 years since.
	And we begin by talking about what happened when he felt that big bump that indicated something was very seriously wrong.
	At the exact time of the explosion, I was still in the landing craft.
	In the lunar module, Jim Webber and I had just finished staging a TV show that had been planned, and we had pulled out equipment to talk about, more like show and tell, and I was busy putting stuff back in storage.
	And there was this, obviously, the large bang reverberated through the metal hulls.
	The vehicles we flew were both made of metal.
	And there was some vehicle motion, not large, like how it was shown in the movie Apollo 13, but jets, the small attitude control jets, 100-pound thrusters, were firing, trying to maintain the attitude because there had been a torque applied when the one-quarter of the service module had blown off.
	Now, we were not aware of that at the time.
	That was pictures taken much later in the flight.
	So, frankly, I knew something was wrong, not normal, but not exactly what it was.
	But when I drifted back up to, floated through the tunnel to get in my right couch position, I noted that we had lost power, and quickly scanning the panels, noted that oxygen tank 2 Showed zero in the readings in two of the meters on the panel,
	which clearly there were different sources for those readings that we had lost that tank.
	My feeling right then was just a sick feeling in my stomach because I knew we had an abort, which was one of two tanks when we hit two, and that we would not even likely go in the lunar orbit, much less land.
	So all that training, I trained for two previous missions.
	I trained Bill Enders back up on Apollo 8 and Buzz Aldrin's back up on Apollo 11. So all that training now had gone aside and we'd lost our chance, Jim Lovell and I, to land on the moon.
	And that's disappointment enough.
	All that prep, all that training, no explosion in space is good, but it became pretty clear that not only was this going to deny you a chance to land on the moon and walk on the moon as two previous missions had, it might also deny you the opportunity to get home alive.
	How long did it take to make clear to you guys just how dire the circumstances were?
	Well, from that point, initially we went into troubleshooting for over the next hour because it looked right at first that tank one, the second oxygen tank, was intact. the second oxygen tank, was intact.
	And that really wasn't life-threatening.
	We'd just keep everything powered up and come home at next convenient point.
	But it developed a slow leak.
	That the people on the ground, mission control, detected it quicker than we did.
	But they led us through troubleshooting, changing switches and valves and things to try to isolate that leak, as I said, over the next almost an hour before it became apparent that it was running out of ideas and that we're not going to solve the problem.
	And that's when Jim Lovell and I were dispatched to go power up the lunar module, LM7 Aquarius, and get it powered up to be our home, as it turned out, for most of the next four days and provide us power and electric power and oxygen and communications to keep us going, which was called, I guess, in the media, our lifeboat.
	To survive, as things slowly were figured out, sort of step by step to overcome things that came up that had to be overcome to get us back home.
	And for those who don't recall the graphics of the time, imagine the command module, cone-shaped, big enough to hold three people, and the spindly spider-like lunar module, which holds two, and that would have been the two that go to the moon.
	And the necessity here was three of you crammed into this thing, and there's only so much heat, and there's only so much oxygen, and it got pretty intense and pretty desperate pretty fast because you guys inhale oxygen, exhale...
	Carbon dioxide, your exhaling was going, you were going to poison yourselves unless you could rig some kind of filter.
	How'd that work out?
	Well, the commodities that were short, at least I perceived at the time, was electric power because the LM only had batteries.
	It had four of them in the descent stage, two of them in the ascent stage, whereas the command module had been powered by fuel cells.
	And those batteries were meant to last two days on a normal mission, and here we're going to have to make four.
	Water was also a concern, not for drinking, but more the cooling of the electronics was critical for that.
	Oxygen was not a problem.
	We had lots of oxygen in the limb to make it, as well as we had two full backpacks.
	The things we're going to wear had we landed on the moon that had full oxygen supplies.
	So oxygen was not a critical consumable.
	The one that was really the tightest that I had not even thought of at the time was the lithium cartridges that you mentioned was to cleanse the air of carbon dioxide.
	We did not have enough of those in the lunar module.
	From the movie, if you recall the movie, where they're just taking out stuff from the Lost in Space props closet.
	Hoses, vacuum hoses, just incredible.
	So let's get to our pause.
	Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Just another segment with Apollo 13 lunar module pilot Fred Hayes.
	They made it back, of course, but when they had come back and were in Earth orbit, it's not like they were home free and home safe yet.
	And we'll tell you that story next.
	And then more of your calls on various issues in the news.
	1-8 Prager 776. Plenty of time left to go.
	Mark Davis, glad to be in for Dennis Prager today.
	TV network ratings are cratering, their web traffic remains rather substantial.
	Therefore, this revelation is not insignificant.
	And guess what?
	This guy's the technical director.
	This guy oversees a lot of the digital operations.
	In Cut50, James O'Keefe describes to Sean Hannity what Project Veritas has released.
	I've never seen James O'Keefe wear a tie.
	It's really interesting.
	Good for him.
	Play tape.
	You saw the tapes.
	He's admitting the network is propaganda.
	He says they were trying to get Trump out without admitting that's what they were doing.
	And saw me confront him about that.
	I just want them to be honest.
	He's not being honest.
	They're deceiving.
	And he says that they're helping Biden.
	They're painting Biden.
	In order to help him with his aviator shades.
	So this is an extraordinary admission.
	It's the number two trending story globally on Twitter, which is ironic because Jack Dorsey banned Project Veritas from Twitter, yet our stories trend on Twitter.
	That means the truth is getting out there no matter what.
	And so CNN is the 85th most trafficked.
	It is Alexa.
	I was right.
	Website and global internet engagement, most traffic site, and our 240, and Alexa, I'm sorry, Fox, I'm getting so much information here.
	Fox is 246. Is that right?
	Am I reading that right, Connor?
	So CNN is a top 100 website.
	So don't underestimate the value of CNN. The cable network is a waste of time.
	No one watches that.
	It's a very unserious network.
	Their digital dominance is a very real thing.
	It is.
	Therefore, what James O'Keefe is revealing needs to be taken seriously.
	So my point is look at CNN more holistically outside of just Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer and Fredo.
	That's not the entirety of their influence.
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	We have Byron York of the Washington Examiner and Fox News join us most Tuesdays.
	He is with us this morning.
	He's just back from the border, and his Washington Examiner story is headlined, The Border is Even Worse Than You Think.
	Hello, Byron.
	How are you?
	Good morning, Hugh.
	Doing fine, thanks.
	Now, I think it's pretty bad.
	Did you see border czar Kamala Harris when you were down there?
	You know, I looked and looked and looked, but she was not there.
	And it's actually pretty obvious why she is not there, which is if she went, she would draw attention to just enormous failures, one after the other, by this administration.
	I just think it's no secret that no politician would want to go and take a big group of press with her.
	And say, here, look, we're failing here, and we're failing here, and we're failing here.
	Now, Byron, people like to know what a reporter's life is like.
	Where did you go, and how long did you stay at each of those places?
	This was in, I should say, in McAllen, Texas, and in Mission, Texas, which is one of the worst spots now.
	And the takeaway from this, the takeaway is the government's response to this incredible surge.
	of illegal border crossers is entirely improvised.
	I mean, it is totally jury-rigged.
	They are scrambling to deal with this.
	And the reason they're scrambling to deal with this is that President Biden, in his first days in office, just threw out the foundation of the way the government deals with migrants with nothing ready to replace it.
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	A wonderful soundtrack to a wonderful film.
	And I loved the Apollo 13 movie, obviously for the subject matter.
	But I just thought, you know, from Tom Hanks and the late Bill Paxton playing Fred Hayes.
	Fred Hayes outlived Bill Paxton.
	Go figure.
	And Kevin Bacon playing Jack Swigert.
	Just a wonderful film.
	Fred liked it, too.
	Jim Lovell liked it as well.
	Does it take some liberty?
	Sure it does.
	Every movie does.
	But just to bring us back to an appreciation, and I'm going to stick with this.
	The human footprints on the moon were an amazing thing, almost a miracle.
	I would say bringing these guys back safely was no less impressive.
	Apollo 13 lunar module pilot Fred Hayes spoke to me this week, and I have planned a little bit of that.
	One more, and then we're back on the phones with you on anything you like.
	I just wanted to do this because it was this week in history in 1970. So they make it back from the moon, crippling home, and then having blown up in space and sustained a certain amount of damage.
	The fear was that it had damaged part of the heat shield that they need to not burn up and re-entering the atmosphere.
	And there's a usual loss of signal, loss of communication.
	And then you come out of that, you can see the parachutes, talk to the astronauts.
	It took forever.
	And tensions were obviously running high.
	And I asked Fred, why did it take so long?
	I've never really...
	For sure, nobody's ever given the data to, say, scientifically tell exactly what happened.
	The thought was we ended up shallow.
	That was reflected somewhat in that we had the lowest G level during entry, which would mean we were shallower.
	We didn't quite hit six Gs on entry.
	But even that I don't think exactly accounted for the...
	Total time of that delay before we came out of blackout.
	That's funny.
	Six G's.
	At launch and at reentry, that's a lot of G's.
	No matter what you're doing, it's like an elephant on your chest.
	When you finally come out and you drop into the Pacific, obviously the overall thing is great disappointment at not having walked on the moon, but it had to be balanced by some level of gratitude that at least you were going to live another day.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Certainly, the environment had gotten very cold, damp, pretty miserable for about three and a half days on the way back, because we had to power down so low to make the lunar module last long enough.
	And actually, the vehicle wasn't thermally protected with blankets.
	To make it at reasonable temperature, and I could have been designed to do that if we'd ever known we were going to go down that low, but it wasn't.
	And so I was obviously happy.
	Interesting, after the entry, as you say, the very heat and hot blazing back in on the entry, when the Navy divers actually opened the hatch when they had saved the vehicle.
	Frosty air poured out of the capsule.
	It was still cold inside.
	Oh, my.
	It's refreshing to be in the warm South Pacific.
	I can only imagine.
	So you guys are back.
	We've got a lot of questions to ask about what happened, and that sort of slows up the schedule a little bit.
	Get through the rest of 1970. And in January of the following year, Al Shepard and Ed Mitchell, who's also been on this show, are walking on the Fra Mauro Highlands, your landing site.
	You're glad to be on Earth, glad to be alive.
	But as Al's hitting golf balls on the moon, God bless them, that's great.
	But is it just a little part of that that eats at you a little bit?
	Like, that's our mission.
	Well, I had volunteered, actually, to serve.
	In support of Apollo 14, there's a Capcom.
	And I picked Jerry Griffin, the flight director for the gold team, because I knew that team would be on duty for their second EVA, which was the primary geology expedition, to go up the flank of so-called Cone Crater, which was a prominent feature in the area of the landing, and sample all the way up to the edge of the crater.
	And I, of course, are trained to do that, so I thought I might be of some help to Al and Ed in their visit that I didn't get to do.
	Apollo's 15, 16, and 17 went to the moon there and the rest of 1971 and 72, and as 1972 came to an end with Gene Cernan and Jack Schmidt, we were done with the moon.
	Did you think it would take us more than 50 years to get back?
	You know, you're asking, do I know what the powers that be, the administration and Congress will fund?
	No, I had no idea.
	Because that's what it takes.
	If you're going to go anywhere, any program has to be adequately funded through the U.S. government and the process that's done through the various presidential administrations.
	And their desires coupled with congressional support through the Appropriations Committees.
	Well, this was the tough thing.
	I mean, you're with the third mission, and the storyline was that America had sort of stopped caring.
	We beat the Russians, and most of America was kind of done.
	I wasn't, and I'm still not.
	And the thing is that we had Apollo 20 on the books.
	It wound up being pulled at 17, which was particularly cruel to you because part of your payback for having nearly blown up in space is you would have gone back on one of those missions that got canceled, correct?
	Yes, I had actually had about, I don't know, about six weeks after we splashed down.
	Deke gave me another job as the backup commander of Apollo 16, backing up John Young, with Jerry Carr and Bill Pogue.
	As the crew.
	And, of course, at the time, we thought we would cycle a normal three-mission cycle and would have flown Apollo 19. As it turned out, we were in training probably four or five months, and NASA decided at that point to cancel, as you said, the last missions Apollo 18 and 19. I'm so glad to bring this to the Dennis Prager listeners.
	I played it this morning and got a lot of nice feedback on it because there are two kinds of people, people who remember that and people who don't.
	And if you do, it puts you back at a pretty amazing time.
	The moon landing, I mean, Columbus finding the new world or, you know, I don't know, we can have an interesting parlor game on what is just the most amazing thing humanity has ever done.
	For me, it's human footprints on another world.
	And I hope we're not done.
	And we're not.
	We're going to put men and women on the moon starting in 2024, which I think is awesome.
	But as we reached out and took six missions successfully to the moon, and Apollo 13 unsuccessfully, but you know what?
	They weren't successful in landing.
	They weren't successful in walking the lunar surface.
	But we were successful in bringing them back alive.
	And there in talking to Fred Hayes, You know, he does blow up in space and nearly dies.
	Then it's like, well, Fred, got good news.
	You're going to be the commander of Apollo 19, which probably would have been toward the end of 1973. But then, whop, the funding got pulled.
	You're not going back.
	It's like, dude, what?
	Is he the unluckiest guy?
	Or is he the luckiest guy?
	Because you know what?
	He's alive.
	He's 87. And I just talked to him this week.
	What an honor it was.
	What a distinct honor it is to be in the company of these amazing heroes and take us back to a time of the can-do spirit of an America that I hope we can re-achieve.
	All right, let's re-achieve some topicality back on the phones with you on things you want to talk about in the news.
	Let's go.
	Mark Davison for Dennis Prager.
	Happy Thursday.
	This is Carol Platt-Lebow for townhall.com.
	Calling new Biden legislation an infrastructure plan is like calling a shark a dolphin.
	They both may have dorsal fins, but you mistake one for the other at your peril.
	Don't be fooled.
	Only 5% of the bill's spending would actually go for roads and bridges, what normal people think of as infrastructure.
	Add in items like Amtrak and broadband, and you're still only at 30% of the eye-popping total of $2.3 trillion.
	And you're supposed to pay for all of this with the biggest tax increase since 1968. Here's what's worse.
	The bill is actually about leftist social engineering.
	It would end right to work, something the left hates because it guarantees no one can be forced to join a union or pay union dues in order to hold a job.
	Ending it offers a rich new source of campaign contributions for Democrats.
	Calling a shark a dolphin doesn't make it one.
	I'm Carol Platt-Lebow.
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	President announced yesterday we're skedaddling from Afghanistan.
	That was not the Trump plan.
	The Trump plan was to leave troops at Bagram as far as I understand it.
	Now we're not going to do that.
	What's going to happen to Bagram?
	It's going to be like Taliban Central.
	Well, Bagram, I think there's a missed opportunity there to talk about the enduring relevance of Bagram, particularly in light of great power competition, right?
	In other words, if we go to war with China, bombers coming out of Bagram provide us with an opportunity to target Western targets for China, including their space and their counter space assets.
	And I really think as we...
	To confront, honestly, the fact that the American people do want us to responsibly reduce our presence over time, we can have a grown-up conversation about where are the areas where we want to leave an enduring presence as we transition to great power competition, and Bagram is one of those.
	The other thing I'd say is...
	Setting the date on 9-11-2021 I think is a really dumb move.
	I think it hands a PR victory to the Taliban.
	I think it totally undermines everything that Biden said as a candidate, criticizing Trump for politically motivated timelines and not condition-based withdrawal.
	I think there's other unanswered questions around whether our allies were consulted.
	During this process, the fact that right now they're briefing NATO allies in Brussels suggests that they weren't, that the decision was made without an honest discussion with their allies.
	The other thing I think we need clarity on is how the administration intends to avoid that Saigon moment.
	With the Taliban already failing to live up to its obligations under the peace agreement, once we're out, we will unlikely be able to get back in if needed.
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	.
	The governor of Minnesota is named Tim Walsh, and he tweeted late last night, quote, Gwen and I are praying for Dante Wright's family.
	As our state mourns another life of a black man taken by law enforcement.
	Why did the governor feel a need to refer to this man's race as black?
	Because the governor is buying into the narrative that the police are disproportionately, unreasonably, unfairly, unlawfully killing black people.
	Is there any evidence that what happened, however tragic, would have been different had this person been white?
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	Trending now on the Mike Deliger Show.
	Here we go.
	Tomorrow, Mark Davis with you from DFW here at 660 AM, The Answer.
	Thanks for hanging out with me there, first of all, in general, and also for the last couple of segments of our chat with Fred Hayes, Lunar Module Pilot of Apollo 13. All right, back to your calls on some topicality for just joining us.
	It's a dark day in our legislative history, but I hope that it will dwindle in its sinister trappings because hopefully this whole court-packing idea will...
	Fade into obscurity and extinction.
	It is so craven, so opportunistic, so nakedly politically ambitious.
	Here was Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts out there talking about, oh, the Supreme Court is out of balance.
	It's broken.
	Well, that is the view of a liberal who is no longer able to rely on that court.
	Listen, if we could give him nine Elena Kagan's, I bet he thinks that'd be fine.
	We can give you nine Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
	That wouldn't strike him as out of balance.
	Oh, no.
	So what we have is a time of judicial activism and judicial tyranny that has been stemmed at the moment, just for this moment in time, by the ascent one thought of John Roberts, but I don't trust him as far as I can throw him anymore.
	Neil Gorsuch.
	Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, who've mostly done well, but not completely.
	Even they have had moments of disappointment.
	So we got that.
	We got, obviously, the continuing wheels of justice turning for Kimberly Potter in Brooklyn Center.
	The Chauvin trial continues.
	We're pulling everybody out of Afghanistan, which I don't think is smart.
	Taliban are going to be running the country again by the end of the year.
	And anything else you like, 1-8-Prager-776.
	1-8-Prager-776.
	We're in Denver.
	Mark.
	Hey, Mark Davison for Dennis.
	How are you?
	Hey, Mark.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	I wanted to respond to the lady that called prior to you doing the Mr. Hayes interview.
	But the thing that you responded back, she was concerned with due process.
	And my concern is not with that, but because you said we have video evidence.
	In you listening and watching the video of body cam footage, do you recall hearing any gunshots?
	That's an interesting point.
	Because you see, and I kind of went through it like the Zapruder film, you know, frame by frame.
	It's like, okay, she yells, taser, taser, taser.
	Or she says, I'm going to tase you.
	And then taser, taser, taser.
	Draws the service weapon.
	And I'm not quite sure where you're going.
	I'll find out here in a moment.
	I think I can see the recoil, but do you actually hear the sharp crack?
	The short answer is maybe you don't, but also we're not exactly dealing with broadcast-quality microphones on body cams.
	What's your point?
	Sure.
	My point is that if you can hear her yelling, taser, taser, taser, and you hear her say, OS, OS, I shot him after the fact, How is it that her voice is louder than a gun pop?
	Actually, that's actually really simple.
	As I said, a lot of it involves mic quality.
	We're not talking about broadcast studio microphones hanging off of police body cams.
	Her yelling, taser, taser, or OS, I shot him, is a human voice talking on a microphone as I'm talking to you now.
	The fraction of a second that is a gunshot, as other loud things are happening, may not necessarily register.
	And why don't we just go to...
	The bottom line, is this your attempt to suggest, ooh, maybe he wasn't shot at all and died in some other way?
	No, it's not really.
	That could be.
	I'm just asking questions.
	The other thing is, I'm saying that how could that officer not tell the difference between the weight of a loaded handgun versus a taser?
	How can an officer walk into the wrong apartment?
	How can a parent leave a baby in the back of a car?
	The only reason I attach those is every once in a while, there will be an example of even the trained human brain.
	Misfiring in such a way.
	It's a different color.
	It's a different color.
	I know, I know.
	It's got to be different.
	I know, I know.
	I think she's at fault for that, but the other thing is when she yells, taser, taser, taser, there's zero, and you can blame it on my quality.
	I don't care.
	I just don't think that she, I don't know if she shot him or not.
	I mean, I don't know.
	There's a concept I want to introduce you to.
	There's a concept I'll introduce called the secret that's too big to keep.
	Why is he dead then?
	And how did he die?
	Well, he got in a car accident afterwards.
	Did he die from gunshot?
	And guess what?
	A ton of people responding to both.
	And it's not like, oh, this car is so tore up.
	Maybe he died from, you know, impacting or maybe there's no air.
	So now I think we're making stuff up at this point.
	It's troubling enough without making stuff up.
	The gentleman does touch on something, and I'm not going to argue with somebody who just can't buy the notion of the mistake.
	If you can't, I guess I've just seen too many brain farts.
	Sorry, I need a synonym of small to massive scope.
	Does stuff like this happen?
	The answer is yes, it does.
	back in a moment.
	All right.
	Trending now on America First with Sebastian Berka.
	music You stared down China.
	You put Russia back in their box.
	Now we have an incumbent in the White House who gives national addresses about female-shaped body armor and maternity flight suits.
	What do our enemies, the ones you had to deal with, what do they think of the current incumbent?
	I think they're laughing at us like they've never laughed before.
	Our political, you could say this, politically correct Armed Forces, where they're sending out documents, talking about all sorts of things that shouldn't be discussed, that shouldn't even be thought about.
	You look at what's going on legally within the Army.
	I mean, I actually, now I asked somebody the other day, so if a general tells a private what to do, and if the general is slightly harsh, is that acceptable?
	And they weren't sure how to answer the question.
	Do you understand?
	This is just crazy what's going on.
	No, I think the world is laughing at us.
	And they weren't laughing before.
	When we were in, they were not laughing, Sebastian.
	I'll tell you what.
	We didn't have this problem with Russia.
	We didn't have China circling Taiwan.
	We didn't have all of the things that are happening right now.
	And we had a very good relationship with Kim Jong-un.
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	The Vice President of the United States of America.
	Honest to goodness, this is like a skit right out of the TV show Veep.
	You ever seen it?
	Julia Louis-Dreyfus?
	I'm warning you, it's definitely R-rated or PG-13.
	Lots of...
	You know, bad language.
	But it's honestly one of the most hysterical political satires in the history of political satires.
	And Kamala Harris is Julia Louis-Dreyfus.
	What's her character's name?
	It's Selina Myers, right?
	Selina Myers, right.
	I think Kamala Harris is the actual character played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the TV series Veep.
	Because there's been an announcement made moments ago.
	About Vice President Kamala Harris.
	You're going to think I'm making this up.
	You know how Kamala Harris was tapped as President Biden's pick to deal with the immigration crisis we're facing in America, right?
	You're with me?
	They picked Kamala Harris to head up the effort.
	Well, people keep asking, why doesn't she go to the border?
	If she is in charge of figuring out the answers to these thousands and thousands of illegals who are pouring across our southern border, why doesn't she go to the border?
	Well, she made an announcement today.
	She is going to travel.
	She is actually going to go somewhere.
	It's just that she's not exactly going to go to the border.
	It's not what you think it is.
	Keep up with what's trending.
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	Turning now on The Charlie Kirk Show.
	And so while their TV network ratings are cratering, their web traffic remains rather substantial.
	Think about it, there must be a higher love.
	Down in the heart are hidden than the stars above.
	Without it, nothing's wasted time.
	Look inside your heart and look inside my heart.
	Capitalism has produced freedom and cost poverty.
	Communism has produced poverty and cost freedom.
	So why is there still a debate as to which systems more?
	I explain in the new video from Prager University.
	See it at prageru.com where we teach what is in the world.
	It's the Dennis Prager Show.
	Mark Davis filling in for today.
	It's been great being with you.
	Let's see what kind of magic we can weave in this final quarter hour here at 1-8 Prager-776.
	We are in St. Paul.
	Darren, hey, Mark Davis, welcome.
	How are you?
	Hello, Mark.
	Hey.
	Love the show.
	I love Dennis Prager.
	And I just want to say, if we're placing blame on anybody for these shootings by the police officers, it should be the media and the left.
	If we would just teach...
	Everybody, whatever age, if a police officer asks you for something, comply.
	If they ask you to stop, you stop.
	The time to argue is in a court of law, not when a police officer is in a high-stress situation.
	You fight with a police officer, you run away, or you try to grab for their gun.
	What the heck do you think is going to happen?
	That is the problem in our society.
	Only bad things lie ahead.
	And it's funny, so when I join you in saying...
	And all tons of parents sitting there saying, well, we need to have the talk.
	We need to have the talk with our kids.
	Well, do not sit your kids down and say that evil, racist cops have a target on your back because that's a lie.
	Sit your kids down and say, don't run from the police.
	Sit your kids down and say, don't mouth off.
	Sit your kids down and say, obey lawful orders.
	And if you disagree with them or it seems weird or he's copping an attitude, complain about it later.
	Live to complain about it later.
	That's the talk you ought to have.
	And by the way, That's black parents to their kids, white parents to their kids, Asian parents to their kids, Hispanic parents to their kids, Eskimo parents to their kids, because that's just basic wisdom.
	Alrighty, we are in Chicago.
	Sean, hey, Mark Davison for Dennis, how you doing?
	Hey, Mark, good afternoon.
	I just wanted to say that some occupations have more detrimental effects on the populace as a whole than others when mistakes are made.
	And their mistakes are made in every single occupation.
	Let me give you something to chew on here.
	Doctors kill more people than police officers every year in this country.
	They're not held criminally responsible because there was no intent.
	I'm all for civil mitigation.
	I'm all for losing your job, losing your license.
	But what I don't understand is this persecution of the police.
	We don't persecute other occupations in that manner, specifically doctors who kill far more people than the police.
	All right.
	This is interesting.
	So if I'm following you correctly, if you have an officer who makes a tragic mistake and somebody dies, like in the case of Officer Potter, it's like, well, we've got to criminally charge her.
	But if, I don't know what the apples and apples comparison would be, let's say a doctor who commits just some crazy synapse failure and, you know, plunges a scalpel into the jugular instead of something else.
	I mean, something equally crazily reckless.
	Worst thing that happens to him is he gets sued for $10 million, right?
	Yeah, and I'm not even talking about that.
	I'm talking about just the CDC reports every year how many people die at the hands of doctors, and I'm not saying that there was criminal intent, because criminal intent is different.
	We agree on that.
	In order to make apples and apples, I wanted to somehow craft something that would be equally hard to believe because it is so reckless, so crazy.
	And I think that your point stands, that a doctor doing something as reckless as Officer Potter did with Daunte Wright, we're not going to lead him away in handcuffs.
	And maybe there's something that I'm just missing.
	I appreciate you bringing it up.
	You've got pretty well, like, seven minutes of show.
	I mean, obviously, the nature of being a cop on the beat and being a surgeon at the operating table is inherently different.
	But this is, I don't know, this might be an interesting parlor conversation or talk show conversation.
	Where were you an hour ago?
	What is it where somebody can be really reckless in the dispatch of their job, and for one profession, it's an instant criminal charge?
	And for the other, it's almost certainly just some horribly damaging civil suit.
	And I know that police officers are involved in crime and punishment.
	Crime is their business.
	Fighting crime is their business.
	Is it just that their responsibility is so sacred?
	Well, a doctor's responsibility is pretty sacred.
	Intriguing question.
	Intriguing question.
	We are in Sarasota.
	Greg, hey, Mark Davis, welcome.
	In for Dennis Prager, how are you?
	I'm well.
	Can you hear me?
	I sure can.
	Okay.
	You used the word craven a few minutes ago, so naturally my mind went to Mitch McConnell.
	And, you know, I was thinking, if there's anybody who's responsible for the Democrats wanting to add more justices, it is Mitch McConnell.
	Why?
	For not allowing Merrick Garland to be considered, you know the answer to that.
	Well, I do, and it's perfectly reasonable.
	And my simple rule, let me see if it sounds reasonable to you, is if you have an election year, and it's an outgoing president, so we know we're going to have a brand new president.
	You leave it to the people, you leave it to the election.
	I would agree with that, even if it were a Republican president, Democrat Senate leader, refusing to bring a nominee even though it's somebody that I wanted.
	If it's an election year and you know you're going to get a new president, leave it to the electorate.
	That sounds fair and decent to me.
	Does it to you?
	No, and it's never been a criteria we've used before.
	Why not?
	Why is that not a good idea?
	I don't mind if it's a president.
	Why is that not a good idea?
	First of all, it's never been something we've done before.
	Answer the question I'm asking you.
	Why is it not a good...
	It's an election year.
	Let it go.
	Listen, the only reason you're hot about this is you're a liberal and you want to marry Garland.
	Admit it.
	No, I'm happy with them adding more Supreme Court justices.
	Of course you are.
	I'm happy about that.
	And it is your liberalism that makes you love that, too.
	I'm looking for just intellectual honesty.
	Go ahead, I'm sorry.
	I like it because I think each justice has too much power the way it is.
	Just using some of that power...
	Amongst the justices and having more justices seems like a good idea to me.
	Doesn't that seem like a good idea to you?
	No, I think that's ridiculous.
	I think nine works great.
	Listen, so if you want diffuse power, because I think there's no evidence that it doesn't work.
	Nine is a perfectly good number that's worked for a century and a half.
	If we need them to be individually less powerful, where do we max out?
	30?
	50?
	I mean, what do you want?
	What difference would it make?
	You're saying there's no precedent for it, and you just said you don't care about precedent.
	You just said you don't care about precedent.
	Something is either a good idea or it's not.
	Something is either a good idea or it's not.
	And I think it's a good idea to leave it to the electorate if there's a vacancy in the election year where you know you're going to have a new president.
	Whether the incumbent is a Democrat or Republican, that's my consistency check.
	I'm fine with it if there's an election year, vacancy occurs, and you know you're going to get a new president.
	And the number of justices at nine, I think, works perfectly.
	I have no quarrel with the number of nine.
	There's no reason to expand it, unless that you just don't like the court as it is now.
	Back in a moment.
	All righty.
	All righty.
	What actually is election interference?
	Information is power, we are told.
	We know that to be true.
	When people consume information, they make choices.
	Information is easily spread and also easily spread incorrectly.
	We've been lectured by the left on misinformation and disinformation for years from people that run message boards on websites I can't even find, and somehow they're a threat to our republic.
	What if I told you that a network that is mostly in airports, but also in 90 million homes, is actually a functioning Democrat super PAC? Trending now on America First with Sebastian Berger.
	And how hard was it for three vaccines to be created in less than a calendar year?
	Could you give us some of the inside story?
	How hard was it to get the US government with the corporations to create that historic success?
	Well, it was very hard.
	We had an FDA that takes a long time to approve things, as you know.
	You had Fauci saying it's going to take three years, maybe much longer.
	Most people thought you couldn't do it in five years.
	Most people thought you'd never even get a vaccine.
	I felt confident that we did something else.
	We spent billions of dollars on manufacturing the vaccine before we even knew if it was going to work.
	It was a calculated risk.
	And if we didn't do that, you wouldn't have had it for nine months after the date that they announced, which, as you know, because of what I did with drug prices with the favorite nation's laws, that's going to be the biggest thing ever, assuming Biden keeps it, for drug prices.
	The drug companies aren't exactly in love with me, and they announced it two days after.
	I think everyone knew we were right there, but they announced it.
	Two days after.
	Now, supposing they announced it before, though, Sebastian, the press would have played it down.
	So if they announced it before, they would have acted like no big deal.
	When they announced it after, they made a big deal out of it.
	But between the FDA, who we pushed at a level that they've never been pushed before.
	So we got the vaccine done in less than nine months, and it would have taken three to five years.
	I don't think they ever would have had it.
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	The Vice President of the United States of America.
	And honest to goodness, this is like a skit right out of the TV show.
	Dennis Prager's show for Thursday, April 15th. April 15th.
	Dennis is back tomorrow to wrap up the week.
	Mark Davis in from DFW on 660 AM. The answer, appreciate you being here.
	Wrap up with a call or two here next.
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	We're in Longview, Texas.
	Mike, Mark Davison for Dennis.
	Welcome.
	How are you?
	I'm doing okay, Mark.
	I just wanted to point out that this episode really points out two both positive and negative about females in patrolling and in law enforcement.
	One, they're known statistically to be better negotiators, which is why they often get involved in altercation incidents.
	But two, when it goes bad, they're the first to pull the gun over other types of restraint when it becomes a confrontational situation.
	And I find it kind of ironic that it seems like this was both cases happening in the same instance.
	I'm intrigued.
	The first, the notion that women are better at de-escalation, I think there's probably a strong foundation to that.
	The notion that the female cop is quicker to go to the gun, why would that be?
	It is statistically known that they don't have the physical ability to deal with a confrontational situation.
	Okay, gotcha.
	So there may be a situation where a big burly male officer might be able to get some control.
	Let's stipulate that all the women cops are in pretty darn good shape.
	But they're not men.
	And there might be a situation where they've got to go to the gun because they don't have a man's physical prowess.
	Have I got that right?
	It seems that it's both instances in one case, and I found that kind of intriguing.
	I am intrigued by the call and by the observation, and I appreciate that, and I'll just leave that out there in the universe for people to discuss on your own time.
	Speaking of time, thanks for sharing some of that with us.
	Thank you, Sean.
	Thank you, Christian.
	Thank you, Suzette.
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