|
No, I mean, I think a lot of what you say is correct.
|
|
Can I ask one final question?
|
|
Mm-hmm.
|
|
So those three people that I mentioned, Robert P. George at Princeton, Jonah Goldberg at the Dispatch, and Jay Nordlinger at National Review.
|
|
Right.
|
|
Do you think there's still—I mean, I respect you.
|
|
I respect all them immensely.
|
|
Do you think there's still room in post-Trump conservatism for people like those three gentlemen?
|
|
Who oppose Trump, but I think also stand for a lot and do a really good job at explaining what conservatism is to a lot of people.
|
|
Okay, so I've had all of them on my show.
|
|
I appeared with Robbie George at Princeton.
|
|
It's probably on YouTube, the program that he...
|
|
Yeah, I saw you.
|
|
I was there.
|
|
Oh, okay, good.
|
|
It was a wonderful evening.
|
|
We have, obviously, deep mutual respect, and that continues.
|
|
And he did a, I said, oh yeah, he did a preview video, so did Jonah Goldberg.
|
|
No, Norlinger has not.
|
|
But he's been on the show.
|
|
And Jonah Goldberg I've had on.
|
|
I've recommended his books with great passion.
|
|
And same with George Will.
|
|
I have not alienated.
|
|
Some of them have gone over, I mean, Max Boot has called the president Stalin.
|
|
That is sick.
|
|
That is indefensibly evil, what he did.
|
|
And for a man whose parents escaped the Soviet Union, it's particularly sick.
|
|
So he's lost me, and he's lost...
|
|
Goldberg has not lost me, and Robbie George has not, or George Will has not.
|
|
Even Bret Stephens is not.
|
|
I still adore the guy.
|
|
They're just, in my opinion, totally wrong about this.
|
|
Look, every human being is a package.
|
|
I try to live by what I preach.
|
|
I preach that everyone is a package.
|
|
And I balance.
|
|
People have moral bank accounts.
|
|
The good that Brett Stevens has done outweighs the bad on Trump.
|
|
Same with Jonah Goldberg.
|
|
The same with Robbie George and so on.
|
|
And I think that they think that about me.
|
|
That, you know, Dennis, you know, Brett Stevens still says, you know, I'm a national treasure.
|
|
I mean, I'm not...
|
|
Saying this to compliment me.
|
|
I'm saying it to compliment Brett Stephens.
|
|
That even though I'm so passionately pro-the-president, he still says all these kind things.
|
|
We're able to still respect each other, though we differ on this fundamental issue.
|
|
But I want you, this young man that you are, I want you to think these things through.
|
|
And by the way, I just...
|
|
The facile nature of judging this man's character, you cited the line, which of course, do you have a Jewish education?
|
|
Not a great one, but a lot of self-education.
|
|
Okay, so anyway, the phrase you quoted, whoever humiliates his neighbor in public, it's as if he has shed his blood.
|
|
I mean, it's something I learned first in Hebrew before I even knew it in English.
|
|
So I am very familiar with that.
|
|
But you're also familiar with the fact that God uses King David, who's a bigger sinner than Donald Trump.
|
|
It's a very complex matter about macro good with flawed humans.
|
|
I think that the same with using a prostitute as the...
|
|
As the heroine to let the Israelites into Canaan.
|
|
God could have chosen a person in a more noble profession than prostitution.
|
|
I think there are lessons here that in the greater good, flawed people may well be doing good.
|
|
If you're fighting a war and your general is a woman-chasing, cursing guy, but he wins the battles against the bad guys, You keep him.
|
|
Okay?
|
|
Thank you so much.
|
|
Thank you for taking the time to talk to me.
|
|
Right.
|
|
Good luck to you.
|