Pearl Davis and guests debate the "Are We Dating the Same Guy" Facebook network, noting its 10 million users often lack accuracy by ignoring men's positive traits like teaching skills. While some argue these groups filter out toxic partners, others contend they foster distrust and keep women single through one-sided victim narratives. The discussion shifts to whether ambitious men should master female psychology or prioritize their own purpose, concluding that successful individuals treat dating as a free market where self-mastery outweighs trying to fix partners' emotions. [Automatically generated summary]
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Take The L And Move On00:05:12
Take the L. Take the L. We're dating the same guy, say OL.
Take the L. You thought you were in a relationship with him.
Turns out you weren't the only bitch that was getting on his skin.
And I know that it's disappointing.
And I know that you're kinda mad.
But instead of going on the Facebook page, just say shit that is my bad.
Take the L, take the L. Just go along and make sure you say, oh well.
Take the L, take the L. Just go along and say, oh well.
Now I know it's hard, you thought that Chad Tyrone would commit to you.
But this is real life, this is what you see on YouTube.
And I hate to have to be the one to say it.
I know that maybe I'm just playing.
Take the L, take the L. Just come on and say, Oh, well.
There's been times when you've gotten dinner out of a guy, and when he asked you to come home with him.
And you said no, he wanted to cry.
But instead of bitching on YouTube and on Facebook, the guy just let you off the hook.
Take the L, take the L. Just go around and say, oh well, take the L, take the L. Thank you, everybody.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Encore.
Encore.
Oh, stop it.
Oh, stop it.
No, I mean, we want a piano version.
You guys want a piano version?
I guess we're doing a piano version.
A slow rendition.
The art of attrition.
The L.
He was the one.
It turns out, it turns out you're the third girl this week.
And the future's not looking bleak.
Take the L, take the L. Just come around and say, Oh, well.
Take the L, take the L. Just come around and say, Oh, well.
You can look back and think he had a tell.
You can look back and think that wasn't hell.
But say, Oh, well, take the L. Stop bitching on Facebook, it's really sad.
Just say I was dumb and that was my bad.
Imagine if a man wrote a Facebook post about spending money on a bitch that didn't.
Put out, you'd say, Well, take the L, take the L. Just come around and say, Oh, well, take the L, take the L, just come around.
Blaming Black Men For Trends00:04:15
I know.
We're coming over here.
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you.
I know.
Oh, man.
I worked out today.
Some days, if I look kind of homeless, it's just usually because I worked out and I, you know, just is what it is.
The song, it.
All right.
So I know it was an amazing song.
It was amazing.
I know.
Thank you.
Thank you guys for tuning in.
Today, we are talking about the Are We Dating the Same Guy Facebook page.
But before we start, I think I'm going to go through Twitter together.
And we're just going to talk about the trending stories and then get into the topics.
Is that all right with you?
One in the chat if that's okay with you.
I like to go through my Twitter, just say what I was thinking when I was tweeting, whatever, chilling out.
So if anyone cares, not that anyone does, but we can pretend.
I think my plating is getting pretty good.
I was looking through my old plates that I would post on Twitter for what I eat.
And I'm to the phase where I'm prioritizing, um, protein.
And really focusing on my meat.
And I was like, you know what?
I think for this next phase, before I can eat what I want, but I got to start with a chicken breast and salmon.
And it's crazy.
I feel so much better.
So, anyways, this was my plate yesterday.
Apparently, 67% of Gen Z would choose a good night's rest over having sex.
And it's kind of relatable.
Do you know what I mean?
I'm like, I mean, I love a good gluck gluck, but it's like, Good sleep sometimes is a little bit better, you know what I mean?
Okay, um, clavicular got, um, I guess he had a near death experience where he literally almost died because of the drugs he's been taking on stream.
And I'm a fan of clavicular, but you've got to be honest, guys.
Um, these people are weird, and you have to understand that a lot of the people, um, That are on these shows are just not normal.
Like, I would find better role models than us.
You know, we're kind of like the worst people in society.
And apparently, after he almost died from drugs, I just got home.
That was brutal.
All of the substances are just to cope, trying to feel neurotypical while being in public.
But obviously, that isn't a real solution.
That was the worst part of tonight my face descending from the life support mask.
So.
I guess his face descended.
What am I touring?
Well, there's a lot of record companies that have been begging me to tour.
And I'm like, you know, I'm super busy.
I have all these plans.
You guys don't want me to tour.
So let's just take that all.
Oh my gosh.
I blame.
Do you know what's crazy?
This girl is on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
And this is what I mean when women, we live in such a fake world.
Like she thinks she's accomplished something.
Being this fat and on the cover.
And I ate my words because I blamed black men for this.
Okay.
I blamed black men.
I said, this has got to be a black man thing.
And it turns out that she has a white boyfriend.
So I don't, I'm going to have to find him.
But she kind of had a white boyfriend who actually sort of mogged.
And I was like, wow.
I ate my words.
The white guys were doing that.
The white guys were keeping this one's self esteem alive.
I am always blaming you guys.
Today I ate the words.
Now, Nuke had the funniest tweet about her.
Stay At Home Boyfriend Myth00:04:50
What are we doing, man?
Well, I'm doing Sports Illustrated.
What have you done?
And he says, Not being fat.
This isn't fair.
Like, he roasted the shit out of her, and yet she ratioed him.
Life isn't fair.
Life is not fair.
That was hilarious.
Then he was there clowning, and then they're talking about how I turned down a million dollars for us.
Uh, do it only fans.
It was a couple years ago.
Adam 22 said he would pay me a million dollars to do a threesome on stream, and I'm just thinking that is not enough money to Adam 22.
We all know, um, Jason Love is more my speed, you know what I mean?
I'm just messing.
I'm like, look, I don't need the money.
I don't.
Oh my gosh, here is a woman coping.
Oh my gosh.
Look at this cope.
I always say it's about women, especially as women get older.
There's sort of this concept around women that they should become less sexual as they get older.
But the reality is that women, as we get older, our libidos get more intensified to a certain age than men's.
So it's sort of like this.
I think women just have easier sex when we get older because when we're young, you don't have to put out.
You can get on a boat and put out with nothing.
When we get older, It's gluck, gluck, or get the fuck out.
Made up thing, right?
That women, as we get older, are supposed to be, right?
Like died out.
Like we're not even in the sex.
We're not sexual.
Yeah.
When it's literally the opposite.
Yeah.
So somewhere down the line, men didn't really want.
Yeah.
Because when women get older, there's a few things that happen.
There's less to lose, less eyes on you.
Because a young woman, everyone wants to know who she is.
Like there's eyes on her everywhere.
Everyone's asking who she's banging, whatever.
When women are old, there's not as much of a spotlight, so they can do more.
Women to be very like, does anyone care who a grandma fucks?
Nobody, nobody gives a sexy as they got older, right?
I think so.
They kind of made it so, like, oh no, like if you're no longer, you know, mating for us, right?
Then you should just go over here.
So true.
When in reality, it's like women into their 40s, some of his 50s are like very much desperate, right?
So they're going to throw it at anybody.
Apparently, stay at home boyfriends, as of early 2026, women hold more payroll jobs than men in the U.S., turning the stay at home boyfriend into a trend.
I think what my gut feeling on this, I just can't imagine women working harder than men.
And there has to be a catch to this story.
What I think it is, is more men are like, Because if I look at my brother, my little brother, he's Gen Z, and I'm the youngest millennial.
But my little brother's Gen Z, and a lot of his friends do work that's not on the books.
So they wouldn't be on payroll, but they make money in other ways.
MILFs in their 40s do some of the best work in the bedroom.
They have to.
When a girl's in her 20s, she doesn't have to do shit.
Yeah.
Here's a headline for you.
The stay at home boyfriend is now an economic trend as more women than men go to work.
And the reason they found is that fewer young men, Maggie, are entering the workforce than their fathers, their parents were.
Is this a trend that you are noticing personally?
And what do you think about this?
Yes.
Well, on the internet, we call those men neat.
So they're not in education, employment, or training.
I think a lot of men feel really comfortable.
Sitting online all day long.
That's a very comforting space for them.
And if they're being financially supported, whether by parents or a girlfriend, God knows why that woman chose them, then of course they can continue.
A six pack.
I mean, women pick a six pack or a criminal history.
That'll get women in the door.
To do that, I think that's very disturbing.
I would not have a stay at home boyfriend personally.
Here's a headline for you.
Okay.
I would not have a.
Stay at home boyfriend, personally, that's a lie, right?
She would.
If he was good, if he was Chad, whoever her Chad is, yeah.
All right.
Why Women Hate Positive Reviews00:15:15
So today we're talking about the Are We Dating the Same Guy groups.
And today I want to talk about the question why don't women leave positive reviews for men?
So, Are We Dating the Same Guy Facebook page is a global network of private Facebook pages with over 10 million women.
Designed to share information about men.
This was made to avoid toxic, dangerous, or dishonest partners.
Members post men's photos to check for red flags, warn others, and verify if men are secretly seeing multiple people simultaneously.
The purpose of the group is to protect, empower, and support women in the modern dating landscape, often highlighting cases of cheating, abuse, or dishonesty.
How it works.
Users post a man's name or picture and other women who have dated or matched with him to share their experience.
Generally, these groups require members to be women, empathize, not sharing content outside the group, and restrict commenting on a man's looks without providing substantive and personal experience.
While many see these groups as a necessary tool, others argue they can lead to harassment of the spread of unverified information.
Now, on its surface, this sounds okay.
You know, when these groups came out, it kind of reminded me of the locker room in college.
Like, basically, if a girl was talking to a guy in college, it would just come out in the locker room.
And then everybody, you know, then the girls look through their phones, and then some of the girls might say, Ooh, I got a message from him.
You know, and then it's like Nick, right?
But the issue is you're actually giving women and exes in particular, The right to anonymously trash you without verifying their story.
Now, this does happen behind the scenes all the time, but there's something about not, you know, like if I hear a story from a girl on my volleyball team, I know if the bitch is crazy.
I know if the bitch has got issues.
You know, like there's some sort of verifiable evidence or like you can kind of trust or not trust the source.
But now we can anonymously leave stories.
And we have to think about it, ladies.
If this was.
I mean, would you like guys reviewing your gluck gluck?
How would that make you feel?
Right?
How would that make you feel if you gluck glucked and now everyone gets to, you know, now the gluck gluck is being reviewed?
And, you know, do we really want that?
What if you had a bad day?
What if your poonami stank one day?
What if it was just one day, you know, your pH balance was off, you ate the wrong food, some bullshit, and now you're smelling it, and now everybody gets to, isn't that kind of embarrassing?
But women have no, um, We have no qualms about embarrassing men.
If anything, it actually leads to mass hysteria.
Now, what I've noticed so I actually joined like five of the pages, right?
I'm in, I'm lurking, you know what I mean?
So I'm in like five of these pages.
And one of the reasons I joined is because I have a friend who's an absolute demon.
Now, I've said this before, but there are certain men that get posted in these groups that I don't necessarily feel that bad for.
Like, for example, if you're spreading, like, if you gave 10 girls gonorrhea, do we feel that bad that you get posted?
Like, if you got AIDS and you spread it to some women, like, I don't have any.
I mean, you did that to yourself, my guy.
You know what I mean?
It's like, if you have three girlfriends at the same time, I don't feel that bad for you.
Do you know what I mean?
Is that unfair?
Is that unfair of me?
Like, if you're an absolute demon, I don't feel the absolute world.
Like, it's kind of like, what did you expect?
You banged her sister.
But the issue is when I have a friend that's an absolute demon, I've seen him take home three girls in a day, I've seen him have three girlfriends at once.
I've seen him run absolute madness.
And I said to him, I'm like, you have to be in these pages.
I mean, this guy has a cheating system.
A system for cheating.
Like, he walked me through.
Like, I'm like, what do you do if she says this?
He has every answer.
He has two iCloud accounts.
He's a dude that has no social media because he doesn't want his bitches to find each other.
I know.
And that's what you think.
You think demon time, they get what they deserve.
Like, what did you think would happen?
He was nowhere in any of these groups.
And I'm like, sir, if anybody deserves to be in these groups, it's you.
It's you.
Like, you deserve to be in this group's time.
And I would find that, like, my friends that, um, That were actually good guys kept getting posts.
Like, I have one, and to be fair, I'm not that close with these guys.
Maybe they have a second personality, but these are just people I've known over the years.
One person is a jet, he was like a fitness buff, very successful guy in the finance industry.
And his ex girlfriend of seven years ago posted him.
Did he cheat?
No.
But he was coercive and controlling, according to her.
And I'm like, my guy, you're so nice.
You're like a nice guy.
Dude, very helpful.
Like, I understand he kind of was, he kind of is a Giga Chad, right?
But there's Giga Chads with demon time on.
We got to stop pretending like all Giga Chads are built the same.
Some Giga Chads really are not on demon time.
I'm just being honest here.
This was not a demon time.
Like, he had the looks of the Giga Chad, but like, he's just not a demon time type of guy.
And I'm like, why is the demon time guy not in the groups?
And the not demon time guy gets like, it wasn't like he cheated.
Like, this girl cheated on him.
Anyways, another guy that got put in these groups, I know that his thing is he likes to take women on karaoke dates.
And apparently he ghosted a girl and she didn't take that too well.
But his second date for women is karaoke.
And this bitch put that she ghosted him or he ghosted her.
And I'm like, bitch, if you're going to include the ghosting, why don't you also include the karaoke?
I begged my ex.
For years to take me to karaoke.
Years.
Never took me to karaoke.
And you got it on the second day.
Ungrateful!
Ungrateful.
So, my question, ladies, it's like if we're going to put in the negatives about men, right?
He ghosted.
I mean, he could have sent you a text.
He could have said he's not interested.
I mean, that's fair.
That's fair enough.
He could have, right?
Women do it to men all the time.
But if we're going to talk about being respectful, sure, you could argue that.
But it's like if you're going to include the ghosting, you better, you better, you sure as hell better include the karaoke.
And this isn't just about the date.
Like you could put that he paid for the women don't care about money.
So I don't really think women care if you pay.
I'm going to be honest.
I do go alone, but sometimes you just want to jam out.
You want to like rap.
You want to do a rap battle with your man, you know.
But men, men, they're not really, most men aren't into karaoke.
You could put that he has a clean house.
Not all men have that, right?
You could put, there's so many positives.
If a guy's good in bed, like I was going through these pages and I'm like, one, why is there no positive reviews?
Like, you could put the spot he likes to take his bitches to.
You could put his routine, you know, so you can get an idea of what you're signing up for.
But all of this stuff, it's like abusive, coercive, controlling.
I'm like, ladies, this is terrible.
Just because these are not accurate.
Like, we need to have more accuracy involved.
Yeah, see the guys and I'll take you to karaoke, but I'm not singing.
Well, then why go?
Do you know what I mean?
I mean, the whole point of karaoke is so we can do like a back and forth.
We could do it.
It's like, um, high school musical.
I'm just saying.
Yeah.
Dancing, right?
A lot of guys, they're not into dancing.
And if the guy take, you know, it's like we should have a pros and a con.
Like if we're going to women are going to complain no matter what, but it's like, ladies, where are the pros?
Nothing was good about this guy.
Nothing.
Not a single thing.
Just a lack of appreciation.
So little appreciation.
Where are the reviews on what men taught you?
So many times men build women.
You know, women always say that they built a man, but really men build women.
Men will teach you how to dance, they'll teach you how to cook, they'll teach you how to do Bitcoin, trade stocks, have a budget, Glock Glock 9000.
Men build women, women don't build men.
So, so many times a man has taught a woman everything she needs to know to get the next and better guy.
A lot of times, men are doing assists and hypergamy, right?
And they just never include that in the reviews.
I know men that have taught women how to fix cars.
I know men that have taught women music.
You know, did he hang your TV?
Did he fix your monitor?
Fix your AC?
They never, they never include that in the review.
Just a lack of gratitude.
Where are the positive reviews?
Men offer therapy sessions.
They'll talk about your trauma, their trauma.
How many times have men given women advice on how to handle a situation with their friends, with their family?
And women just put that he was abusive and controlled.
No appreciation.
None.
So, really, my question for the men yeah, Pearl needs to make a dating app and force these women to give positive reviews.
So, my question is, why don't women offer positive reviews when it comes to dating?
I'm going to put the link in the description.
Doug MPA is going to come on here.
I'm trying to think if there's anything I missed, any story I'm going to tell when it comes to this topic.
I'll just lurk in these pages, guys.
And it's, oh, actually, I have one more monologue I'm going to add before you guys can come up.
Women, it's actually embarrassing to date too low of a level of a guy.
I want you to understand.
The problem with women is we take these L's, right?
You know, catching an STD, that's an L. Just like a man, you know, paying for a five star restaurant and not getting laid, that's embarrassing.
He's not going to tell everybody about that because that's humiliating, embarrassing.
But tell everybody why aren't we humiliated about, I don't know, getting cheated on, catching something, getting ghosted?
That's humiliating, being put in the fuck zone.
Yet, it's like we want to be publicly humiliated.
Is that the aim here?
So, anyways, we're going to bring up Doug MPA.
Thanks for coming on.
Why don't women leave positive reviews, Doug MPA?
Well, so it's women are drama machines, right?
And remember, the negative drama sells better than the positivity.
And here's the thing.
Remember, the goal is the female friendly version of the story.
What is the female friendly version of the story, Pearl?
Where she's the hero and the victim at the same time.
That's exactly what's going on.
That's why negative reviews lead to the female friendly version of the story, period.
Gaslighting In Modern Dating Apps00:04:30
And I also want to talk about so, guys, not only talk about women can't take L's, period.
We talked about this on the show previously before.
What women on this T app and are we dating the same guys?
All these women would ghost guys do all sorts of madness when they were young and they were hot.
Ghost guys do everything.
But most women on these apps or in these groups are between the ages of 35 to 50.
And they hate when guys can do to them what they used to do to men.
They want to take away every tool that you've earned.
You have a decent income, you keep yourself in shape.
You know, you put yourself in a position where you can do madness to women and they hate you for it.
So they'll post you in these groups to try to take that power away from you.
When guys had to suck up all this when we were young, think of how many times you got ghosted by a woman.
You took a woman out on a date and she ate for free and then didn't call you back.
All the madness.
But women hate when men do the exact same thing to you.
And I'm like, aren't you guys embarrassed?
I mean, some of these stories I'm reading in the group, I'm like, I think I would die.
I think I would serve jail time before I told that story if that happened to me.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, I think men, when you guys take an L, you don't really tell anybody about it because it's humiliating.
Yeah.
But women, we tell everybody the L, and it's like, why are we doing that?
Yeah.
And here's the thing, and even if it does.
Get out to taking.
I mean, think about some of these celebrities who found out that their wife did some craziness or their girlfriend or something.
There's so many guys who've gone through a similar experience.
Like, we pity the guy, but it's not the end of the world.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, taking L's is so relatable as a guy.
I mean, there is some that are just craziness, but still, you know.
So even if it does get out, here's the thing taking an L, if you're a guy that does anything when you're taking an L besides move on.
Women call you crazy, abusive, all this stuff, but women are empowered to not take L's and to do something about taking an L. Don't just sit there and take this L from this guy.
Do something about it.
Yeah, guys, you can call in the links in the description.
If you've ever been posted on that page, feel free to tell your story.
When you call in, please don't tell me how much you love the show, nervous, I don't care, don't have time.
Figure out your audio issues.
You don't need to have your camera on, but come on and I'm going to ask you why.
Why don't women leave positive reviews and then answer the question?
And then, if you have a story that relates to the question, maybe you were posted, feel free to tell it.
And then, sometimes, if we're vibing, I let people stay on the panel.
Don't be nervous.
If you mess up or whatever, I may kick you, I may boot you.
It's not personal.
We just try to keep the show going.
So, if we're vibing, I'll keep you.
If not, just call in another day.
You know what I mean?
It's no big deal.
But yeah, so.
Make sure the link is pinned in the YouTube chat.
If you're on Twitter, you just got to go to my YouTube channel and then find the link.
It's on StreamYards.
Did you hear the story about this Secuno streamer guy?
He has 3.8 million subscribers on YouTube.
He's really popular on Twitch, whatever.
And he's one of those nerdy kind of guys where he started off as a streamer, got really popular, and he had this really pretty girlfriend, but then it turned out that he was banging a bunch of women on the side.
So she.
Dropped a Google Doc with all this information about him, just rinsed him out to everybody.
What was in the Google Doc?
I don't know.
I just saw a video about it last night.
Wait, let's react to it.
What is it?
You put it in the private chat?
Yeah, yeah.
Let me find it real fast.
One sec.
So, how do you think this, while I'm looking for that, how do you think that these groups have affected the current dating market?
The Backfire Effect Of Pushing00:14:49
Oh, God, it makes everybody afraid to put anything in writing.
Any text, just assume any text you send is being shared with the group chat.
Just assume.
Yeah.
Yeah, because here's the thing, guys.
Remember, women never take dating advice from women.
Women will try to tell guys, okay, there's so many different things about this.
One, a woman will tell you, like your mom, your mom will tell you as a young man, What to do, you know, approaching a woman and how to shoot a woman in dating, but she'll tell you to do everything that was the opposite of what your dad did to get her.
You know what I'm saying?
Two, women will be like, you say, Oh, to your female friends, how do you approach a woman?
They say, Well, just be confident, bro.
What does that mean?
Women will talk to guys about things.
Well, they'll lie to you, number one.
And number two, these women will, Is something that they're never going to do.
Women are deathly afraid of approaching men, they just won't do it.
Some of the richest, most powerful women will not approach a man ever.
Period.
Well, what if I get rejected?
What if it doesn't go well?
What if I, oh, they won't take that risk, but they'll tell you, oh, be confident, bro.
Just be confident.
Just catch the vibe.
What does that even mean?
Oh.
Uh, uh.
Sean, welcome to the show.
Tell me, why don't women leave men positive reviews?
And have you been affected by are we dating the same guy?
Yeah, I mean, I would say the ones who leave positive reviews are usually the ones that are basically on the not.com.
You can think of it that way.
What?
It's basically where you register that you're engaged and you're getting married.
You can think of it that way, right?
That's like a public display of a positive review.
But in general, I just think like most women do not like most men.
At least here in the US.
So, in their minds, they think if they complain similar to how they complain about products on Google reviews or Amazon, they think they're going to get more attention because the market tends to reward that behavior, right?
It's usually a lot of major companies, social media managers are always looking through it.
And so they're always responding to people who complain about this Karen complain here or there.
They think the same thing will happen in dating, but it does.
Yes.
It trains their brain to think that the same thing will happen.
Or, at a bare minimum, someone will try to placate them and play therapist to, oh, I'm so sad this happened and we're going to do better.
It trains their brain to think that's going to be the outcome.
But the reality is, if anything, it emboldens more women to want to date that guy.
Because a lot of women kind of think, hey, if she wanted to date that guy, there must be something to it, whether it went good or went bad.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So, have you ever been posted on one of those pages?
Yeah, I've been posted on one of those pages.
And it's usually like, You know, it's not like saying, Oh, I did anything bad.
It's just like general complaints about, Oh, he didn't show up on time or this, that, and the other.
So I think they just come up with any reason to complain, to be honest.
And you definitely see it more so in some metropolitan areas more than others.
Like in New York City, you're going to see a lot more, or in LA.
But to be honest, in like Texas, you don't really see the same level of posting.
So I think part of it is just the more feminist, you know, very dark blue the map goes politically.
That's where you see the majority of the complaints.
That's sort of my take on it.
How many out of your guy friends have been posted on the page?
Mostly the really attractive ones.
I'll put it that way.
Like the ones no one wants to deal with, or like they go on a pity date, or, you know, I'm kind of bored, or I want someone to buy me drinks that evening before I go off to the guy who only sees me to hook up.
Like those guys will never get posted on there.
So it's only going to be the guys who make an impression, whether they're very attractive or they're just very charismatic.
Like they're good communicators, they can make people laugh.
It's going to be the ones who ultimately leave an emotional impression, if that makes sense, whether it's based on physical attraction or charisma or something else.
The main area where it could have major effects is business.
If a female hiring manager goes to those pages to search, have you seen that happen to anyone you know?
Female hiring manager goes to search.
No, I don't think I've seen someone's job.
Only like guys that are like a true 10 out of 10.
I knew one guy who was like that.
And he just had a lot of like, I think he just brought the crazy out of a lot of women who would show up to like one guy, one girl showed up to his actual drill site like out in the middle of nowhere.
What?
Like Midland, Texas.
What is?
He was hooking up with this girl in like, and you know, there's a lot of single moms out in Midland.
So like that.
And when he was working out in Bakersfield as well.
And they would like, many times you'd have like a few of them who would show up to the rig site somehow.
I don't know if they were GPS tracking him.
They put like an Apple tag or something like that.
But they showed up and immediately they had to like kick her out because it's basically like a construction site.
You can think of it that way.
And I've known a few other friends where that's happened too.
So I think it's the guys that are just very attractive who just like really bring out the crazy of a lot of women.
I think if anything, it's just more validating that like those are the kind of guys that women do want to date.
And that's what they tend to go for at the end of the day.
They don't go for the boring, nice guy, this, that, and the other.
Right.
There's not a, are you dating a nice guy?
Are you dating a beautiful guy?
Like none of that shit exists.
So like, At the end of the day, right, it's like what Trump used to say is all press is good press.
Yeah.
I think there's a lot of truth to it.
You know, the kind of guys that girls tend to date as they get older are usually the ones that are just boring and stable and reliable.
And it's usually the guys they're not that attracted to, but they kind of know those guys can never leave them.
You know what I mean?
So the guys that are like they're usually pissed about are usually the guys that, you know, were cheating or this, that, and the other, but those are the guys they have the most attraction for.
At the end of the day, if they dated those guys and they got screwed over, but they didn't really care much about that guy, they wouldn't be posting.
Yeah.
So you have to ask yourself if you're posting, you're posting because it left an emotional mark.
Yeah.
Mark, welcome to the show.
Why don't women leave positive reviews?
And have you been affected by those pages?
Hello?
I have not been affected, but I think the reason they don't post good reviews is because I think they're ungrateful.
Also, women don't like it that other women will steal their man.
So why would they talk about the man who's good?
Do you know anybody that's been posted on it or no?
No, I don't.
Okay.
All right.
Thanks for calling in, Mark.
Good answer.
Yeah.
So I can give.
So I've been put on one of those pages.
And so I confronted the girl about it.
Leah's got to play.
Yeah.
So I confronted the girl about it and the gaslighting because someone close to me.
Said, hey, Doug and PA, is this you?
It was like a person that I knew and said, hey, you know, you're in this Facebook group.
And then, like, one of my co workers came up to me at work at my day job and said, hey, bro, look at you.
You're in these pages.
What happened?
I'm like, bro.
And so I confronted this girl.
You know, I reached out to her and acted like everything was fine.
Hey, you know, how's it going?
Blah, blah, blah.
She's like, oh, let's reconnect.
So we're talking, talking, talking.
And then a couple of days later, I said, Did you put me in a Facebook group?
She's like, Oh, whoa, oh.
The gaslighting.
Well, you have to understand that, you know, us women, we have to feel safe and we don't want to get hurt out here.
I said, But at what cost, though?
So your quote unquote safety comes at the cost of my privacy?
Like, what the heck is going on?
And just the constant gaslighting.
Well, you have to understand.
You have to understand.
I said, I don't have to understand anything.
This isn't right.
All I did was just ghost a girl.
And, guys, you know me, I'm Mr. Ghost.
I'm ghost faced from screaming.
Women, guys, you have to earn the right to be able to ghost women, ghost them.
You don't owe them anything.
Here's the thing Women feel entitled to your time, your money, your resources, and closure.
Don't give them any of it, guys.
Women, as they get older, they feel entitled to some kind of closure when it comes to men.
Or women think that they can control outcomes.
And one thing you learn from being a man is you cannot control outcomes.
You can't.
You can't.
Yeah.
So, once again, all the gaslighting.
These women honestly think that they're just protecting themselves.
And she has a nerve to say, well, you know, I forgot that you were even in there.
I'm like, what?
So I'm sitting here having people confront me in my real life.
And this is literally an afterthought to you.
Art, welcome to the show.
Why don't women leave men positive reviews?
I bet you played a song for a girl.
You know what I mean?
He's got a little guitar in his group chat.
Did you have a review left on you?
Was that included?
Art, all right, five, four, three, two, figure it out, guys.
Um, yeah, I'm not gonna go back and forth with these audio issues.
Um, yeah, it's like because I even saw this guy, this Mr. Beast video, um, where this guy had all of his ex girlfriends come on the show and they're all comparing their stories, and he he played all of them love songs, right.
And I'm like, if anything, you guys should be happy.
He perfected his craft for you.
I'm just going to get back to it, I'm going to say this multiple times.
Guys, you have to earn your way to be able to damage these women in a way that they feel unnecessary to put, like Sean said, you have to have made some kind of impact on a girl for her to put you in one of these pages.
And like, they just don't want you to be able to use the tools necessary.
To live your dating strategy, but you hate it.
Like, I knew a girl in New York who was dating a guy and then found his post on the website of another girl trashing him, and she still continued to date him.
So, I don't think it actually deters other women from wanting to date that guy.
If anything, I think it drives them to do it even more.
I know a guy that got messages like he got DMs from the post, like, in the comments, the girls thought he was hot and then he got DMs.
That figures.
And that's why I just think, as women, like ladies, ladies, hold on.
I'm going to drop you guys while I rant for a second.
I'll bring you back up.
Ladies, it's like, I just want the reviews to be a little more accurate.
I want a comprehensive, like, I understand the reviews shouldn't exist, but if they're going to exist anyway, could you do like a one to two?
How are they in bed?
You know, do they kick you out the next day or are you going to get breakfast out of this?
Right.
Um, you know, I know another guy he buys his McDonald's the next day, always like, where's the appreciation?
That's great aftercare.
Is he gonna slow ghost or just ghost you out of the blue?
You know, just good to know what to expect with some people.
Is he funny or is he boring?
Like, what's the you know, because if we are a little bit more accurate when we're in different air, we know, ladies, we we have different eras of our life where we like different types of guys, you know, so we can get the you know, the better fit for the different you know, when you're 18 and you want to go to raves or whatever, you can get the rave guy.
Then, when you're a little older, you can get the gym guy, right?
Then, when you're a little older, you can get the accountant.
You know what I mean?
When you're a single mother, you can find the single dads.
Like, does he date women without kids?
You know what I mean?
It's like, but we just have no accuracy here.
No accuracy.
And I just, McDonald's or an aftercare are never something I thought I'd hear in the same sentence.
You know, because I just have met a lot of guys over the years, and because of my work, like, Guys tell me their dating stories all the time, and I just think there's a general lack of appreciation.
Like, yes, you got ghosted, but he made you a steak dinner before he ghosted you.
You know what I mean?
It's like, yes, he did not call you back, but he fed you steak.
I mean, he could have got you chicken, that's a lot cheaper.
I just, you know, I just want us to do better, you know.
We just never seem to be able to really, we just never seem to be able to do it, you know.
All right, guys, welcome back.
You know, I agree with Pearl.
Because, like, if you look at reviews on like glassdoor.com on companies and things like that, or like the CEO, you can tell which ones are the men and which ones are the women.
Because, like, the men will usually, even though it's supposed to be anonymous, like, The men will usually say pros and then they'll say cons.
So they'll try to give a very holistic description of like how it was dealing with that company.
But even in general, when I'm talking to my guy friends, yeah, they'll say their exes were crazy, but they'll talk about like the good things and different things like that, things they miss.
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But a lot of women, they just go straight negative.
So I think it's just their mind gets really fixated or something like that, that they're very binary, if that makes sense.
All right.
Art, welcome back.
Said you got your audio fixed.
Yeah, can you hear me?
Oh, perfect.
Yeah.
So tell me, were you posted on the pages?
And if so, did they include?
I'm sure you sang them some sort of love song or gave them some performance.
I've never been a man with a guitar that didn't use it to get bitches.
So I'm just going to assume.
Yeah.
Maybe that's the truest shit I ever heard.
Have I been posted on the website?
No, here and there.
I'd say it's more so.
I've had friends who have done it.
Some of them are the biggest fucking Chads you'll ever know, you know?
And sometimes it's even deserved, but it doesn't really seem to affect them at all.
I remember I started dating a girl that I had met at a bar, and it was a bar I'd go to a lot, so I had a bit of a reputation there.
And I remember a couple weeks into dating, I started getting all these messages you know, art's gonna do this, art's gonna do that, art's a piece of shit.
And I ignored every single one, it almost seemed to make them want it more.
So I don't know.
I think they kind of have a backfire effect.
My opinion.
So maybe, maybe I should offer a service where like I'll post whatever you want in the group.
I'll put your, I'll put you guys' picture and I'll, whatever, whatever the guy wants to say, I could say abusive, but the best sex I've ever had.
And then they'll be like, sign me up.
I barely sell like hotcakes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I could, I could do the marketing.
That should be a service.
That should be.
I had a, I had a close female friend and what she would do.
Is if the date wasn't going so well, she'd send me a text along the lines of, like, Where are you?
I need you now, or something like that.
Yeah.
Doug MPA, I got to get my dog really quick.
So I'm going to let you run the panel for a second.
I'm going to bring back up Mark.
Okay, sounds good.
Wait, where is the tab with everyone on it?
So, look at the four guys.
How do you think that these apps have affected dating for men?
Because a lot of things, women do things, they want things, but they know not what they're asking for.
Because I think that we're literally in the staring contest.
Women said, don't approach us.
We're not.
Now, women complain that men aren't approaching.
They want men to take them out on dates and court them and stuff, but then they do these groups.
So now men are going to date less.
Understand what I'm saying?
Like, how do you think that the dating market has been affected by stuff like this?
These Facebook groups.
It's not a weird take.
I think it's actually a positive.
Oh, here we go.
It filters out the pieces of shit.
Wait, how so?
The women who are too crazy to give you the benefit of the doubt are going to jump to conclusions.
Do you really want to interact with them?
When you know women lie, yes, and she's going to listen to other women without meeting you, she's going to jump to conclusions.
Do you really want to interact with her?
Okay, so my biggest counter to what you're saying is women's need for validation by other women.
That's all women, even if they're crazy or not.
Some women get drunk off of validation.
I mean, there's a lot of women out here who they're so concerned with validation from other women that they might as well be lesbians, dude.
Honestly, I'm not joking around.
The need for so backing over, they may want a good man deep inside, but the need for validation and to tell a story about men to get validation from other women is stronger than their need for a man.
Okay, so let me ask you this.
Do you want to date a woman like that, or would you rather not waste your time?
Because it's not worth the effort tiptoeing around her bullshit.
Well, so here's the thing women are very impressionable whether they're sane or not.
So it really depends on how much social media they consume.
Even the most sensible woman, look, that's why TikTok is mostly women.
Women, I always say, Modern women, yes, they're whores, single mothers, all this stuff, but the biggest problem with modern women is that they can't keep their mouth shut and they overshare on social media and in their personal life and to their friends.
And these Facebook groups are one of the ultimate examples of that.
So you can have sensible women who, what do they say in the red pill?
One of the best you can do for a woman that you want to get serious with, have her cut off her friends.
Because her friends are keeping her single.
These groups are another example that women are keeping each other single.
Okay, let me ask you this question.
You know, this happens.
You want to bitch about it or you want to make it work for you?
You know what?
Passports.
How about that?
No, hold on.
Those women are going to talk amongst themselves either.
Or MGTOW.
Okay, women talk.
Don't even bother.
Women talk.
You're not going to stop them.
So, A, you can bitch about it that they're not saying the shit you want them to sing about you, or you can think about it like, hey, How do I beat them at their own game?
Clavicular.
That's how you beat them at your own game.
Okay, how would you beat them, Mark?
Figure out what it takes to turn a woman on and fuck her brains out.
So, no matter what shit you did, she remembers you fucked her brains out good.
So, she tells other women, Yeah, he's this, this, but damn, damn, I want him again.
You can learn that as a man.
You can learn that.
I did.
I grew up in denial about my sexuality.
That's the way I was raised.
I figured out, Hey, this ain't working.
So, let me admit that I don't know what I don't know.
Let me learn from those who do know.
I had to humble myself.
I learned on Fresh and Fit.
They said this for the right man, a woman will break all her rules.
I was like, there's no fucking way.
Let me test this.
I tested it.
I figured out how to riz up a woman as a beautiful woman.
And it got to the point where she's telling me she would rather I go fuck other women besides her and she gets to be in my life than I go fuck other women anyway and she doesn't get to be in my life.
It's like, shit, this actually works.
If you got the sauce, if you put in the time to own your shit and learn how to have the sauce, you get better outcomes.
You get more of the outcomes you want.
Yes, I can counteract that by saying once you get to the point where you're successful, competitive, and ambitious, it's like freaking Kevin Samuel said you get to the point, especially in your 30s and 40s, bro, where reasoning up women and all this stuff, you don't have time for it, dude.
You don't have time.
That's why you see a lot of guys, some of the most successful guys you see out there are alone because they're worried about their purpose and work.
A lot of women nowadays in these groups, if you're successful, competitive, ambitious, honestly, you better off paying for it in 2026.
You are learning all this Riz game, dude.
Honestly.
Okay, let me see.
It's actually, anyway, just pay for it.
Hold on.
If she feels entitled to your time and she's upset at you, you can't give her the time she wants because you're busy being successful.
Do you really want to deal with that?
Is this like I said, really worth it?
Come on, let's.
It's not, yeah.
I mean, Doug's agreeing with you, okay?
Yeah, so she's gonna talk about you because she feels entitled.
Do you really want to give her more of your time, or would you rather interact with another woman who understands you're busy getting done?
You're busy being a winner, and it's a privilege for her to spend time with you.
She's not entitled, you're not entitled to sex with her.
You both are getting a privilege.
Give it a few years, and she'll be just like that other girl.
I'll put it, yeah, especially if she's on TikTok, dude, because he's.
Here's the thing if you don't validate her enough, she'll always go to the cesspool of TikTok and validation from women.
Okay, so she decides that instead of talking to you to get validation from you, she's going to go listen to toxic women.
Do you really want to keep her?
No, of course not.
Okay.
So, why are we even talking about?
She's going to make the choice she wants.
She just filtered herself out.
She just showed you that, A, she's not really worth your time.
Is the sex really worth it?
I think what Doug's trying to say is that, like, he agrees with what you're saying, right?
But he's simply saying that it's no longer even worth all this effort to build yourself up and all this stuff, thinking you're going to get a relationship that's going to last the long term.
I just don't think that's in the cards anymore.
I think social media has polluted things that.
Over time, even if you find a quote unquote good girl, she'll go sour too, she'll start getting entitled too.
It's just a matter of time.
Some of the most entitled women are married, yeah.
When Pearl was talking to Andrew Wilson, he said, Um, Andrew Wilson said that men, religious men, will what they get out of marriage is a virtuous woman.
And Pearl said, Where are the virtuous women?
Number one, right?
And then number two, what's going to keep women virtuous?
Nothing.
Nothing's going to keep women virtuous.
Nothing, period.
Not in 2026.
If you don't want to put an accountability, you don't find a virtuous woman.
You build her, you raise her up.
If the father did a good job, okay, you found a fucking unicorn.
Chances are you're not going to find one.
If she's not worth the effort for you to hold her accountable till she becomes virtuous, why are you wasting your time?
Just walk away.
Yeah, I think Doug agrees with you.
That's why I'm saying get a passport, go to a country where the fathers do raise the women well.
Instead of this show, I think what he's saying though is you're putting the work on society or the fathers when it's your job to make her virtuous, and if she doesn't follow you, then bounce.
I think that's you're not entitled to an outcome, you get the outcome you work for.
If you don't want to work for that outcome, don't complain that you don't have it, just admit juice ain't worth the squeeze.
You don't want to do what you can live with.
But my only counter to that is you can say that on things that like your career, you that's mainly based on you.
The problem with relationships.
Is that there's another person in there?
You could put all the work you want into a woman, and if she's actively fighting against you, it's not just work harder, bro.
No.
I know, but he's saying that that's on you because you didn't walk away.
Oh, yeah.
But he's saying it's either listen to me or get out.
And if you don't, I think he's saying if you don't kick her when she doesn't listen, that's on you.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I agree.
Yeah, but how many women are you actually going to?
Find that are actually going to go along with you on a long enough time frame and aren't going to like because by the time you're meeting a lot of these women, right?
It's not like they're 18, okay?
They're like 27, they're 32, they're 33.
They've been trained by so many different men with all these sort of psychological reward systems of being attracted to toxic guys and this and women, bro.
And women, yeah, all of this stuff.
The idea you're going to suddenly change her by, you know, holding frame and all this other BS.
Like, I mean, come on, like Pearl's been on three games.
She's been all this stuff.
I'm going to counter.
I'm going to counter.
The best woman I know over a long enough time frame actually had a terrible childhood.
And she was found at like 32, 30 ish.
Not saying, but it was because her husband basically said, If you want to be my wife, you have no social media.
You're staying home with the kid.
Like, you're going to listen or get out.
And, like, I think that's his point is like, guys with that mind, if there's any women that can be changed, that's the only way you'll get them.
But that's just my observation.
Here's what I'm trying to do.
My main thing, just real fast, my main thing is guys, you get, okay, in your 30s and 40s, you get to the years that are going to affect the rest of your life, dude.
You know what I'm saying?
And it used to be that a woman used to recognize that if you win, she wins, right?
But you have women, one of the tenets of female empowerment is to actively be in competition with your man.
Actively hamstring him, make him set aside his competitiveness, his decisive decision making ambition.
He has to set that aside.
He can be that out in the world, but not in his own home.
Guys, you have to be able to be that person in every aspect of your life.
And if you can't be that with a woman, leave her behind, period.
Okay, let me ask you this How is that mentality working for those women?
Who cares?
Honestly, I've been on dates with those women lately.
And if you were to ask them, they'd say they're perfectly happy.
They'd rather be alone and doing whatever it is that they want to do with the money they're making than be married to a guy they have to listen to that's mediocre.
That's how they all feel.
Let me assure you that.
Okay.
Do you see how they're in denial?
They're all coping, which is why they're still secretly.
No, no.
They're not coping.
Like, they seriously mean it is that any guy who steps into their life has to compete with all the things they get being a single person.
100%.
Does that make sense?
They are not willing to compromise their existing life they've created.
With their own money, getting to make their own decisions that they've been doing for over a decade at this point for any average guy.
I assure you this.
Let him finish because I kind of want to hear where he's going.
Go ahead, Mark.
All right, so they've got that mentality.
How's that working out for them?
Are they happier than the woman who does it differently?
A woman who decides, you know what, I'm going to submit to my man and try the traditional thing.
If you actually look at the end of the day, which one of those women is actually more fulfilled, actually has more joy in her life?
There's a reason we all, from the outside, look in and we see how that doesn't work.
They're coping.
They're coping.
They're in denial.
They're coping, but they won't admit it to themselves because they don't want to admit to themselves that they chose wrong.
Okay, just walk away.
They're in denial.
Well, the only counter I'll say is I think they're happier in the long term, but nobody's happier than a bitch at Coachella.
Did you see that Sophie Rain video?
Yeah, like $280,000 at Coachella?
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Yeah, yeah, okay, let me finish.
So, um, the because the one thing is like, yes, the traditional like mother was happier in the long term, right?
She's happier with her husband, like now she has better kids than all the other kids, like she won in the long term, but like.
The other, like the more modern mothers, were like traveling for work, going to all these fun events.
And when they were doing that, they were having more fun than the traditional mother sitting at home with the kid.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, it's just like long term versus short term.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yeah.
How do the families turn out?
Do the children appreciate their mother traveling or they resent her for being absent?
Oh, completely.
Like, resentful versus the.
That's what I'm saying.
The long run versus short.
But it's not like, I mean, just knowing the family I'm talking about, I don't think the kids really appreciate it.
Appreciated it till they were older and they saw not everyone had that.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's relationships are complicated.
You are not entitled to the relationship you want.
You have to work for it.
You're not entitled to the partner you want.
You're not entitled to the job you want.
You're not entitled to having the house you want.
You're not entitled to having the sex you want.
You got to work for it.
You got to learn what it takes to get what you want.
Basically, you have to decide is this person I'm talking to worth the effort to get what I want?
Because I'm going to have to hold myself accountable and I'm going to have to figure out how to hold them accountable in a way that they don't resent me.
Yeah.
Like, because training a girl is a lot of work.
Like, it's so funny.
They always say that women build men, but men really build women.
That's it.
All the time, dude.
Men build, like, men.
And it's like a burden.
Like, I don't know if you've ever had an employee, unless they're trained before, like, if you're starting from scratch, it takes a lot of work to train someone with no experience.
Yeah.
And here's the flip side women said they have to train a man how to have good sex with them because he doesn't know her yet.
Right, it takes work.
Let's just be 100.
It takes work to get the results you want.
It takes work from both sides.
The woman has to figure out how to share her feelings with him without being a nagging bitch.
He has to figure out how to hold her accountable without her resenting him, without her thinking he's controlling.
Both sides have to learn.
There is no workaround to putting in the work to learn.
Yeah, you know, it's true.
Imagine a thousand years ago, men actually saying, We have to learn how to deal with the girl's feelings.
I mean, that's a crazy concept for all this biblical talk.
100 years ago.
Yeah, even 100 years ago, right?
So, for all this biblical talk, now we're talking about how men have succeeded so much ground to the craziness that comes with women that we're talking about dealing with their feelings.
Because this is what we've been infiltrated in our minds that men are supposed to basically adapt to women's craziness over the years.
Isn't that the thing?
Are they talking about what you're talking about in Russia?
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
So, because the thing is, there were writings even like 100 years ago.
That, like, that we're talking about these same things.
I don't think women are that different.
Adam couldn't control Eve, you know?
Here's what I want to say about women's feelings.
Women are going to have their feelings and emotions, whether you like it or not.
You either bitch about it that you don't know how to influence it, so her emotions are working for the relationship, or you bitch yourself.
Hold on, hold on.
Or you look in the mirror and you say, I don't know what I don't know, so I'm going to learn how to interact with her.
How to understand her emotions.
Okay, there's no shortcut.
Either you do it or you fix that her emotions run the relationship.
How's that working out in the society today?
How old are you?
You know, I think back in the day, men just simply did not give a shit.
They were smart enough to say, we're not going to let these women run.
I think he's cooking.
Mark, how old are you?
I'm 34.
Yeah, okay, I thought so.
So here's the thing.
They're not saying what you're saying in Nigeria, bro.
They're not saying what you're saying in Russia.
50% of the world doesn't have to do what you're talking about.
Doug, it's the same.
It's not.
It's not the same.
Okay.
No.
Let's use an example.
Let's use an example where the men do not want to learn female psychology and they do.
Russia, Nigeria, freaking India.
Okay.
Let's use an example.
Let's talk about.
Hold on.
Let's talk about the Middle East.
Yeah, 74% of women in Russia.
When the woman does what the man wants, or his family will kill her for disobeying.
Is that man having the relationship he wants?
Is he getting the sex he wants?
I'm pretty sure he is.
Yeah, I don't think so.
I'm pretty sure he has peace in his household with his multiple.
Yeah, I know.
I don't know.
Peace is better than sex, bro.
Hold on.
How are you going to have peace with the woman who resents you because you control her?
You ain't going to have peace.
Women are going to resent you, period, in 2026.
Let me assure you, in those types of households, the women do not step out of line.
100%.
Does that make sense?
Like physically, they know not to step out of line.
There are severe consequences.
Okay.
In the West, they're all right.
You have to understand the feelings of women.
Get the fuck out of here, dude.
No, no.
I said you have to understand.
No, he's not nothing, bro.
He's totally listening.
No, no.
I didn't say you have to understand.
I said you have to understand it because they're going to have them whether you like it or not.
You can be that toxic asshole who beats the fuck out of her because she feels a certain type of way and then she resents you.
Or you can figure out, you know what?
That's not going to get me the fuck out of me.
My brain's up because I'm very in the mood.
So let me start.
You got it.
Like, if you've traveled, you would know that in certain cultures and certain countries, women are kind of told from a very young age that their feelings do not matter.
100%.
Nobody gives a shit.
I promise, if you go to India 100 years ago, that is what all of those women think.
But how do you know you weren't alive 100 years ago?
You guys are speaking on things you didn't even experience.
You weren't there.
You have no idea.
Here's the thing about it.
I'll tell you why.
You're cutting me off.
Let me finish.
The Russia, like you just said, Russia is so different.
74% divorce rate.
Like I lived in London.
I would meet the kids of these so called like families that were traditional and all the traditional, quote unquote, traditional moms, they were, they did not like their husbands.
And that's his point.
Like whenever you force someone to do something, they resent you for it.
But we know that women, women aren't going to like their husbands even if you do what they say.
So you're screwed.
Okay.
So why are you doing that?
Listen, why try to understand a woman if she's not going to, she's not going to like you if you try to understand her?
Okay, no, no, hold on.
We've established you're better off being toxic and doing the opposite of what women want.
So, what's the point of trying to understand it?
Okay, when freaking understanding a woman will get resentment from her, hold on.
I disagree.
Understanding her will not get you resentment.
Trying to control her will get you resentment.
Invalidating her emotions will get you resentment.
So, you can invalidate her, argue with her for how she feels, and she's going to resent you, or you can say, you know what?
I'm going to put in the work to understand her psychology.
Either her emotions are working against you because you don't want to do the work, or you decide, you know what?
I'm not going to be lazy.
I'm going to surrender my need to be right.
I'm going to learn to see from her point of view.
Doug, you know how men are crazy?
Sorry, go ahead.
And then from learning to understand her point of view, you can understand what is it that she finds attractive?
How do I learn to create chemistry?
If you tell her that you're entitled to have sex with her, she's going to resent you.
So we have a woman here.
We can ask her right now for her opinion.
If she's in a relationship and the man feels entitled to have sex with her, does she appreciate that or is that a turnoff?
Oh, no, you appreciate it.
That's why women do the shit test of when we get naked in front of guys and then say, oh, no, I don't want to have sex.
It's like a way to test if they have abundance.
Guys, don't.
It's not like conscious, though.
No, because it's like something you can feel as a woman.
If a guy understands female nature, he doesn't.
It's something you feel.
I agree.
I think he's cooking, if I'm being honest.
I think he's cooking.
People don't like interacting with people who are entitled.
People who want a certain outcome, but they don't want to put in the work and then they try to control other people.
We resent them.
And we prefer people who own up to the fact that they're not entitled and they decide, I'm going to learn.
We respect people like that.
It goes into relationships also.
Where I think a lot of guys screw up is that we're so used to only interacting with guys our entire life.
We think that interacting with girls are going to be the same thing.
We think that, hey, our friendships with our guys or work relationships, they're going to last a very long time as long as we.
Do X, Y, and Z as long as we know how to do this, that, and the other.
The reality is, I think most guys need to accept in today's day and age that whatever relationship you have with a woman will not last your entire life.
It'll last as long as it will last.
And you need to know when to simply just walk away and it's not worth it.
You should listen to Mark right now.
He's saying you got to learn the judo and the psychology and all this other stuff.
And so many guys are used to thinking that way in this very cinematic world.
I know, but there's like, I recently was reading like Robert. Glover and like some of Ryan Stone's work and some of the tools that they give men in order to understand female nature.
I don't think I, I don't know it well enough to like articulate it that well, but when I was reading it, I was thinking that that was very helpful for men when you could say, oh, she's doing this because it means this.
Like, for example, if she says, I'm not having sex, we're not having sex tonight, it means you are.
That's helpful to know.
Right.
So there's things like that where men, there's like men that have made like autistic level guides that I just can't see a downside in learning.
Like, what's the downside in learning that?
You know, what I'm saying is learning, like, learn what you need to learn, but don't have this expectation that if you read all the red pill books, this relationship is going to last till the end of the time.
Like, it will eventually burn out and that's okay.
Just that's what he's saying, though, is he's saying, like, you're not entitled to an outcome.
And so, yeah, entitled to an out.
Like, I think, I think that's why I think he's cooking.
You guys, what I'm saying is this you only have a hundred percent of time and effort at any given time.
There's a reason why, when a guy gets divorced, his wealth goes up, right?
Most time dealing with women in the way that Mark's talking about is it's it's opportunity cost, okay?
It's time that you could spend building yourself.
You have to make the active decision.
I'm going to take time away from my purpose and what I'm doing to have a woman in my life.
And what I'm saying is in 2026, that'll cost you too much, especially for the benefit.
You have to be aware if you're putting in the work towards understanding women, like Mark says, it's opportunity costs that you could be putting towards other things.
And that opportunity cost could be beneficial in ways that could benefit you in all aspects of life, not just women.
One more thing.
Women, women, if you put, okay, when men win, everyone wins.
And when women win, they win for themselves.
Women want, in 2026, women want a successful, competitive, ambitious man to set everything that his purpose and everything aside to help them achieve their own selfish goals.
Understanding women and putting in all this work for a woman is helping her achieve her goals, not yours.
Yeah, but not necessarily, though, because it takes care of the sexual.
Because the way I understand it, like once guys get to a certain level, I've just seen it because I've seen these boot camps.
They put in like a certain amount of hours and then they don't have to deal with the problem anymore.
Like, not like they used to.
Like, it's not as hard for them later.
You know what I mean?
So it's like if their sexual problem is solved, then you don't think that's like a benefit for the rest of their life?
Like, if they learn that young.
I understand you have to like pick and choose, but I just don't see a downside in learning that.
Here's what I want to say Is the juice worth the squeeze?
As a man, Are you going to have to make compromises to allocate opportunity costs to building a relationship?
Yes, if that's what you want.
Nothing in the world that is worthwhile having comes easy.
You have to work for it.
So you have to decide, yes, I agree.
Is this relationship worth it?
Is having this particular woman in my life worth it?
If not, walk away.
You lost nothing.
Okay.
That's not true, dude.
We're all going to go extinct if that happens.
You've never been married before, dude.
I can tell.
I know.
I can tell too.
Bro, I don't know if you've never had like a long term relationship.
When you put time and effort, most men, the woman that they get with leaves off in a better position than when she met him.
And he has to spend years building his life back up, dude.
So you are completely wrong on that.
You do lose.
I kicked her out of my house on Christmas because she disrespected me.
Okay, and are you happier now for it?
I said, don't do this.
She did it anyway.
I kicked her out on Christmas.
I established boundaries.
Okay.
How many women do you know that are married?
She demonstrated she wasn't worth the time continuing to be in my life.
She didn't appreciate how I am a positive to her.
I'm a bigger positive to her than she is to me.
Yes.
And if you would have been married or had kids, you would have lost big time.
Okay, I get it.
But there are men who divorce.
They decide I'm not gonna sit here and cry about it, and they rebuild and then they go on to win again because.
But what does rebuilding mean?
They lost and had to rebuild what they lost.
So, once again, you're wrong.
Hold on, no, I'm not wrong.
Remember, I said you are not entitled to an outcome.
Yeah, I never said you were.
I think he's cooking.
I don't know how you guys don't think he's cooking.
So, Mark, why don't you like and then you finally win again?
That victory is so much sweeter.
Because you understand what it's like to lose, you understand how much work you had to put in to win, which is why when you see people, you put work towards women so they can benefit from you, and then they leave you and you're stuck, but you won, bro.
Get the okay, yeah, I don't think you see how gynocentric what you're saying is.
You're saying men understand women.
Go ahead, finish what you're saying.
You either learn to understand them to get the outcomes you want, or you continue to be a whiny bitch who doesn't understand them and doesn't get the outcomes you want.
The choice is yours.
Understand them, learn to work with them to get the outcome you want, or refuse to learn and continue to be a whiny bitch who doesn't have the strength.
The choice is yours.
You got to look in the mirror and decide is the juice worth the squeeze?
How badly do you want the outcome you want?
How much work are you willing to put in to get it?
You're not guaranteed an outcome.
Stop Trying To Control Outcomes00:12:49
Carlos, jump in.
I know you got thoughts on this conversation.
Am I crazy?
I thought he was kind of cooking.
Doug MPA thinks he's not cooking at all.
Insanity, dude.
Yeah, he thinks insanity.
I know.
Carlos, speak for the Latino community, I think.
What he's saying, it's like, I don't think you should ever put yourself above your partner, like to try to be like that alpha or whatever that is.
Like, you should be equal with your partner.
I think you got people from Michael Knowles' channel coming on.
I will say this to what Carlo is saying your value as a human being, yeah, it's equal.
But in the relationship, the man is supposed to be the head.
Why?
Because our emotions are not manipulated the same way women's are.
Men tend to emotionally regulate better than women.
Which is why men in times of stress tend to make better decisions, right?
We've got an example of this.
Plane is crashed.
You want a male pilot or a female pilot, right?
Okay.
That's why the man should be the head.
So when shit hits the fan, he is better positioned to make good outcomes.
And yeah, like the comment says, not only in times of stress, because of the way men look at the world, we are more likely to accept the reality of the situation.
And even if the only choices we have are shitty choices, we tend to look at them and decide, okay, that's the least shitty choice.
I got to choose it.
Whereas, if you watch women, they tend to get trapped in, oh, it's a shitty choice.
It makes me feel so bad.
I don't want to do it.
They tend to get stuck and become inactive.
When men will see it, it's like, hey, I got to do this because we got to get through the other side.
That's why the man needs to be the head.
You're not supposed to be equal in authority.
Your value as human beings, yes, that is equal.
Mark, I think I figured out where our lines are crossed.
Okay.
When it comes to achievements in life, because I think a man's purpose, And his impact on the world is first above all else.
Yes.
Above women.
I agree.
Right?
Your rhetoric seems like women should be the overall goal.
Because here's the thing listen, listen, listen, listen.
If you're achieving, if you're making an impact on the world, bitch about women all you want because you are making a permanent, lasting impact with your success.
And period.
Making observations.
About women and having a betting system is not bitching.
My platform is put your purpose and your impact and your occupation and your earning potential above women.
I can concede if you want the outcome with women, do what Mark says.
Okay, I'm fine with that.
I can concede that.
But I would just say your purpose comes first.
Don't let what you're talking about with Mark ever go past your purpose as a man and your success as a man.
If we can make that compromise, I'm perfectly fine.
Doug, it's not a compromise.
I agree with you.
Remember, I said, is the juice worth the squeeze?
Is it worth having her in your life?
Is she worth the opportunity cost?
Are you at?
Hold on.
Let's listen to this.
Half the world's population has a vagina.
Why does it have to be her?
Because they're the closest to us.
That's why.
Most guys can't fly around.
Half the world's population has a vagina.
Okay.
He's saying if she doesn't act right, you can just get a new one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If it's not worth the effort, why would you invest the effort, right?
Like Doug is saying, there are things in life, purpose, that are more important to a man than getting laid.
Yes.
Okay.
Now we're good.
Is this woman worth the effort?
Is she worth the effort?
You're going to have to put in the work to learn her, to learn and understand her psychology.
If she's not worth the effort, don't waste your time.
Just walk away.
You got more important things to do.
Okay, Mark, let's say guys said they don't want to put in the effort to deal with this kind of crazy.
They want to come with the girl who already acts right.
Where would they go to find this?
Nowhere.
If you gave them a teleportation device.
Well, Pearl said, because you're starting from the perspective, I don't want to put in the work.
Well, then don't bitch that you don't get the outcome you want.
Yeah, like he's.
Shortcut to doing the work.
Yeah, I think he's saying, like, if you want a relationship, you have to put in the time to understand and build her.
Like, that's it.
Otherwise, you're not going to get one in 2026.
Because nobody's going to come programmed.
Sorry, I've met, I disagree with you on the other countries thing.
I've met the women from these countries.
They're the same.
Same stories, same abusiveness, same attitude.
Like, I don't see a difference.
I grew up with people who are from the Soviet Union, Ukrainian, Russian, Romanian.
Okay.
So I've seen the culture of these immigrants who've come here.
If they don't put in the work, they don't get the outcome.
And then they cope and bitch and try to use religion to manipulate people into compliance.
And then it creates resentment.
It doesn't work.
Okay, let me give a perspective.
Let's say you do have to do work no matter what woman.
Don't you think there are some women that are less work than others?
Like, does anyone not think that there are women around the world that are easier to deal with than black American women?
Right?
100%.
Yeah, cooking.
Yeah, I just want to get that out there.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
If you see that the women in your environment are not worth the squeeze and you want a woman in your life, you're going to have to look elsewhere.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
Is it worth the effort?
Yeah, I think I just want to squeeze as little as possible and not have to deal with that.
It makes sense.
It makes sense.
We want to find the most efficient way to get what we want, right?
Look at us men.
We want to achieve purpose, right?
Business, professional, whatever.
We are looking for the most efficient way to achieve it.
Why?
Because we know we have limited opportunity costs.
We have limited time.
That's why we don't want to waste our time on that which doesn't work.
This is why, if you look at us men, we have this ability to humble ourselves and realize, I want this.
Somebody else got it.
Let me go show him that I'm willing to learn.
Let me trade my humility.
To show him respect for the work he did and learn from him to save me time.
And if you watch, we men, we respect another man who has the humility to say, I don't know what I don't know, but you have experience.
I want to learn.
We respect men like that and we're willing to teach him.
But when another man comes and he feels entitled to us teaching him, we don't respect that.
We don't want to teach him.
If he feels entitled to an outcome, like, yeah, no.
Oh, you got the humility?
Yeah, let me take you under my wing.
Let me be your mentor.
Let me get the reward of seeing you be successful.
Right, so there's no shortcut to doing the work.
So, so everything you're saying about men will want to put in the work and the outcome is good, but the problem is, is you're talking about male entitlement, women are a thousand times more entitled in this dating thing.
And remember, reciprocity is key to almost any relationship, right?
So, you so let's say you have a man because remember, Kevin Samuel's whole platform was built on men who built themselves up to the point where they're ready to do what Mark says.
They're ready to put the time into a relationship.
But Kevin Samuels got popular because there's so many women who aren't willing to reciprocate the need for want for outcomes.
So, what if you have a guy who's willing to put in the time for the outcome, but the women around him, the women accessible to him, aren't willing to reciprocate that need for wanting to achieve outcomes?
There is a social infrastructure in place of women from looks rating one to looks rating 10.
To not reciprocate the need and the work for outcomes with the man.
I agree.
I can't change it.
Yeah.
She's ungrateful.
She doesn't want to reciprocate.
Walk away.
It's not worth your time.
Yeah.
I think his point is just like there's no way around it.
And you can't change women, right?
I thought he was cooking.
Well, just be on your purpose, guys.
Women are secondary.
Your purpose is secondary.
No matter what it is.
Yeah, I don't think he's disagreeing that the purpose came first, at least from what I understood.
Let me ask you this, Mark.
What would you tell a 17 year old today who's saying, Hey, I'm in shape.
You know, I work hard, but the women, they don't respect me.
They're not.
No, Sean, 25 years old, law school graduate.
Sure.
25 year old law school graduate still doesn't get any interest from women.
He says, I've worked hard.
I got good grades.
I'm respectful.
I'm nice.
I stay in shape, and women still don't give a shit about me.
They'd rather go to Miami and deal with those guys.
And that's the vast majority of women and the other majority of women that.
Aren't going in that direction are the ones who would rather simply not date or they'd rather date older men or they do whatever.
Here's what I would say you're not going to change what they do.
You have to accept that you can't change what they do.
They're going to do what they do.
It is what it is.
Now, what kind of men are they chasing?
Figure out how to demonstrate those qualities so that instead of chasing other men, they're chasing you.
It is what it is.
You're not going to change it.
You can sit here and get mad about it or say, you know what?
The game is rigged against me, but damn it, I want to win anyway, so I'm going to figure this out.
We love a good underdog story.
This is why the men who put in the work to win don't put up with from those who don't want to put in the work.
That's why they keep winning and they won't apologize for it.
They put in the work, they figured it out, they figured out what it takes to be attractive to women.
So women are coming to them, so women are siding into their DMs, and they're not going to apologize, but they're just going to keep winning.
Mark, can you point to me a man who's winning?
Please point to me a man who's winning.
Even Tom Brady's divorced.
But you said earlier that you have to understand their feelings and their emotions and all this stuff.
And you just can see it that women are going to Miami.
You think the men that women are banging in Miami are understanding their feelings, like you said earlier, bro?
Some of them, yes.
Some of them, no.
Get the fuck out of here.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
The men who got game.
Yeah, I agree.
You can't have game without understanding female psychology.
He's correct.
I've seen the boot camps.
Like, I've just, I've seen too much.
Like, they do teach this stuff.
Um, Takes a lot of time though, so I understand if you don't, it takes time, but it's like I don't think you can discount that there's men that figure out female nature and figure out how to make it work for them.
Okay, Mark, what would you say to Tom Brady?
He got divorced with Giselle Buncheon because he didn't understand her emotions and all her complaining.
And this guy wins.
This guy's winning at life.
And now that he's divorced, he probably gets whatever women he wants in Miami.
But what would you tell him?
Would you tell him you didn't understand her emotions and her psychology?
Well, but you know, a blue pilled is a mindset.
Like, it doesn't matter your accomplishments if you're blue pilled.
That's true.
Like, so, like, you saying, like, oh, he's so great, like, that doesn't mean he knew anything about female nature.
He dated Leonardo DiCaprio's ex.
He clearly doesn't think that understanding.
I'm sorry.
I'm saying, like, if he was dating Leonardo DiCaprio's ex girlfriend, like, your bitch was on a yacht last year.
You had kids with her.
You can't say he had a great understanding.
You want to know what I would say to Tom Brady?
I would ask him, what's the outcome you want and what are you doing to get it?
I don't know what he's trying to accomplish in life.
I can't say shit because I don't know what he wants.
What advice can I give to him if I don't know what he wants to accomplish?
Plus, his roster now includes Alex Earl and Sidney Sweeney.
I think he's doing fine.
That's true.
Also, don't forget that Tom Brady, the reason why Giselle said that they got divorced is she said, I don't want you to get on that plane to play that last season of football after he won the Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He said, Screw you.
I'm getting on that plane.
She probably said, If you get on that plane, I'm not going to be here when you get back.
And he got on that plane anyway.
That's what I'm saying.
Get on the plane.
Don't sit there and try to understand her feelings as to why she doesn't want you to pursue your purpose.
Get on the plane and go play another season of football.
That's what I'm saying.
Hold on.
Hold on.
He had to understand why she's doing it and he saw through it.
Maybe.
Don't Wait For Her Feelings00:15:18
I don't know.
Notice, I understand what she was doing.
She was trying to control him.
She was trying to be the alpha in the relationship.
He said, fuck this shit.
I'm not doing that.
I'm going to do what I want.
I'm going to go pursue my purpose.
And that's what I'm saying.
Okay.
We're arguing.
He is proof you are not entitled to an outcome.
No matter where you are in life, you're not entitled to an outcome.
He said some high level, I understand exactly what you're saying.
You can be good with women and still not get the outcome you want.
Yeah, I'm not denying that.
But his point is, you can't, his point is, you can't like, you just can't get around learning to be attractive to women if you want to be in a relationship.
Let's look at Fresh and Fit.
They're in Miami.
They had to fucking learn what it takes to win, and now they're winning, and they're not going to apologize for it.
They put in the work.
But they're putting that effort towards their success independent of women.
We got into this because, because I'm talking about outcomes with women.
You have to compromise.
I never said you give up your success to be successful with women.
You have to consider the opportunity cost.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
They decided it was worth the squeeze to learn how to be successful in multiple things.
And they decided that they're going to hold themselves accountable to be successful in the areas they want to be successful in.
They said, We don't know about finance.
We're going to learn it.
We don't know about streaming.
We're going to learn it.
We don't know enough about how to be successful with women.
We're going to learn it.
They decided that the juice was worth the squeeze.
They want it badly enough.
And they're going to figure out how to do it.
And they're going to manage it so they get the results they want.
I'm not saying surrender your purpose.
What I'm saying is, is it worth the effort to have the relationship you want?
If yes, put in the work.
If it's not worth the effort for you to have the relationship you want, then admit that you don't want to put in the work and just accept the fact you're not going to have the relationship you want.
You are not entitled to an outcome.
You want to be successful in business?
Got to put in the work.
You want to be successful when you're going to school?
You got to put in the work.
Yes, yes.
Chase, Chase, would you like to speak for black men on this topic?
I just want to say good evening, Pearl.
Good evening, everybody else.
Thanks for having me on.
I believe I just came on.
So, Mark, if I'm understanding you correctly, you say that a way to improve the chances of a relationship succeeding is to understand the emotions of your girlfriend or wife, correct?
Yes.
Okay, so I'm slightly following you there.
So, would you agree that if you're going to take that path, she has to be very effective?
With matching her words to her emotions.
So, the more effective she is with that, the better it'll help you achieve that goal.
Would you agree?
Yes, but don't expect it.
Women oftentimes don't know what they're feeling.
They just know they're feeling it, but they don't know how to express it.
And oftentimes they don't even understand why.
As a man, you have to be like, hey, she's feeling a certain type of way.
She probably doesn't understand why.
I'm going to have to figure this out.
Otherwise, it's going to be hell.
I'm going to be like, why the fuck are you feeling this?
It makes no sense.
She's going to resent you because you're invalidating her emotions.
She's not going to like that.
As a man, you have to say, she's feeling a certain type of way.
It is what it is.
Let me try to figure it out.
If she's not worth the effort, okay.
I can slightly get that.
So, you do know that you're now tiptoeing around the realm of having to be a mind reader because you're only as effective as the words she tells you.
It's like instructions for putting an IKEA table together.
The more thorough and accurate it is, the better you can succeed at building the table.
But if you have to read between the lines and guess, and blue means red and red means Tuesday, you are talking about being a mind reader.
So, if women are chaotically emotional, generally speaking, not all women, but if they are chaotically emotional and their emotions change like the clouds, It's almost like you're trying to make an instruction manual to her, but you're having to erase and tear off the page each day because if she used the word apple and that means happy on Tuesday, the word apple is going to mean something else on Wednesday.
And so if it's linked to her emotions, you can't do anything until she knows herself and can communicate in a manner to which you can understand.
Yeah.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
You're not going to get around it.
You're not going to get around it no matter how much you don't like it.
Look at the men who are successful.
They've put in the work to try to figure this shit out, and that's where they're having success.
I know it sounds fucked up.
Yes, I agree.
For most women, it's not worth the fucking effort.
I agree.
I agree.
You're not entitled to an outcome.
Don't expect her to come perfect.
Don't expect her to be completely self aware of why she's feeling what she's feeling.
You just have to realize it is what it is.
I have to accept the reality of it, and let me figure out how to work with my reality to get the outcome I want, or just walk away if you don't want to put the work.
There's no getting around it.
Well, that's what I mean.
I can get part of what you're saying, but the guy can only do so much.
If she's poor at communication, no matter how much effort you want to put into it, you can't understand someone if their basic language is ever changing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If she's a woman, pretty much.
Is the juice worth the squeeze?
If it's not worth the squeeze, okay, just accept it.
Okay, so with you saying that, what would you recommend on that?
Because you're talking about a woman that any person will agree, and I think Pearl will agree with this.
And any relationship you're in, you have to be efficient at communicating, you have to be efficient at matching your words to your emotions.
And if you're not good at that, no matter how patient the person may be, they could be Gandhi.
If they can't understand where you're coming from, even if you don't agree with them, you can't support them because you don't even understand what they're saying.
And I know you keep saying that is it worth the squeeze, but how do you get over that hump?
Let me find it.
Go ahead, you can answer this question.
If she can't be honest, you got to call her out on it, you got to tell her, hey.
I'm willing to help you.
I'm not honest, but you don't want to be honest.
I'm not going to waste my time with somebody who's dishonest, and you got to walk away.
If it's not worth the effort, walk away.
You got to call her out.
It's like, hey, I see you're feeling this, but you're saying this.
Your words don't match your actions.
That's bullshit.
I'm not going to put up with it.
I'm going to walk away.
You got to hold her accountable.
Understand, you don't need that relationship.
Well, that's the thing I mean is, so I get what you're saying.
That's the reason I'm saying I'm not so much disagreeing with you.
I'm more of challenging you because even if you look at the people in chat and most of the guys are single or most of the guys in a relationship, even if they would bless her with the patience and the time, you could only do so much.
If she's poor at communication or can't match the right words to her emotions, you can give her 30 years.
It's not going to improve.
If she's communicating at a seventh grade level and you're a sophomore in college, you can give her 30 years of patience.
If she can't evolve, To be able to get her words through the emotions, it wouldn't even be the squeeze.
So I get what you're saying.
And I think what a lot of the gentlemen in the chats are saying is that it's ridiculous to sit there and learn someone's emotions.
I slightly agree with you because emotions is nothing but a pattern.
Think of it like a profile.
If you're into true crime, you're pretty much being a profiler, but you need a baseline of communication.
And if she is not efficient with a baseline of communication, you could give her 30 years and give her an infinity stone to control time.
She's never going to reach that point.
So, that's what I'm saying instead of saying, is it worth the screed, give examples of how a guy would be able to get a female to improve her words to her emotions.
Because you have to have patience and you can't really teach patience.
You kind of have to learn it for yourself.
But if the guy already has patience and you're sitting there on the side of the shore waiting for her to say her words and she said, the sky is blue, and you write down, blue means this.
If it's by emotions and she didn't match the words right, blue is going to mean something else tomorrow.
Blue is going to mean something else next week.
Blue's gonna give me something else next month.
You're only gonna wait on that short for so long.
So, how would a woman work on her proficiencies to her words to her emotion?
That's what a lot of people don't talk about.
They don't talk about that part.
You have to hold her accountable when you can tell she's in some kind of mood.
Let me tell her, honey, how are you doing?
And she says, Oh, I'm fine.
You gotta call her out on her bullshit.
No, you just lied.
I know you're not.
You just said fine.
You lied.
You gotta call her out.
There's no workaround, there is no shortcut.
Efficient communication is a skill that you learn.
You learn to have efficient communication.
If you see that the other person refuses to learn, walk away.
You can't make them learn.
You can't make her learn.
If she decides that learning how to have efficient communication isn't worth her effort, why would you stay with her?
She doesn't respect herself enough to put in the work to get the outcome she wants to communicate efficiently with you.
Look how much women complain about men don't know how to communicate, and then men turn around.
We're more self aware than you give us credit for.
We see through your bullshit.
You don't want to hold yourself accountable.
You expect us to be mind readers.
And we've told you over and over we are not mind readers.
If you don't tell us what you want, don't expect us to give you what you want.
Don't expect us to try to rearrange our schedule to put in the time to give you what you want if you can't be honest with yourself.
If a woman doesn't want to be honest with herself, walk away.
You can't make her.
You can try to hold her accountable.
It might work, it might not.
You are not guaranteed an outcome.
You are not guaranteed that she wants to put in the work to communicate efficiently.
You're not guaranteed an outcome.
You can try to have the good dick where she decides the sex is worth it, so she's going to try to learn.
You can try that.
That works sometimes.
But at the end of the day, if she doesn't want to put in the work, you can't fix it.
You can't fix people.
You can hold them accountable if they let you.
Well, that's what I mean.
I'm not saying so much to fix people.
Everybody has to have a baseline of communication.
If you're dealing with a 35 year old that has a job, she learned how to communicate.
I know people laughed at that, but she learned how to communicate to get that job.
If you're her 29th body, She learned how to communicate to do that.
If she's got two cars, she's learned to communicate to do that.
If she has a degree, she's learned to communicate to do that.
You have to have a baseline to it.
And like I said before, if her communication was that bad, she should be sitting on the side of the road, homeless with no accomplishments and no materialistic work.
I think every person would agree with that.
But if she has a house, an apartment, a car, a degree, she's gone to Dubai, she has a circle of friends, that takes a tremendous amount of communication.
You'd be surprised how bad of people women can be and still be in.
Terrible communicator.
You're going to send.
So, you can bitch about the fact that simps aren't holding her accountable.
She can continue to be a shitty communicator, or you can say, you know what?
The simps have made her that way.
I'm not going to be a simp, and it's not worth the effort.
You can be upset about how much work it's going to take, or you can just walk away.
You're not guaranteed an outcome.
You're not guaranteed anything in life.
Yes.
In general, any person will say that.
But that's the reason why you work towards something because you want to play the odds in your favor.
And I agree with your method to a degree.
So I'm not saying you're entirely wrong.
I agree with it to a degree.
I just think that it's less of the baton being in the guy's hand and it has to be on the woman's hand, like if it's your girlfriend or wife.
Because even if you possess the patience or even if you possess the steeled wisdom, if she can't communicate, you can't teach that.
That's something she should have learned from her mother, her father, her close circle of friends, her sister.
And if she's 34, 35, or 36, or even close to 40, And she hasn't even communicated at a baseline level for a relationship.
You might as well just give up on nearly every female that may be 40 and is not in a relationship because there is a point of no return.
There is a cold snap where if you haven't learned it by now, you're probably not.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm saying that.
The bottom line is this the guys that get the objective outcomes with girls don't give a fuck about a woman's emotions, dude.
The guys that get objective success, the PUAs, the guys in Miami banging a bunch of chicks.
They don't give a fuck about a woman's emotions, period.
They just don't.
But we're supposed to understand.
Get the fuck out of here.
No, no, Doug.
But a lot of those guys do.
They put in a lot of time in order to understand female nature.
I've seen.
But you don't have to understand a woman's emotions to understand a woman's nature, though.
You have to sit there, baby.
That's so not true.
Like, I'm telling you, it's like, it's autistic.
The level they like, like, my one guy I'm thinking of, like, he's really good at cheating, right?
So that's like his thing.
And he, like, I asked him, I'm like, what do you say when she, like, says, oh, can I see your phone or can I, like, X, Y, and Z?
He has autistic level answers for each of these things.
And he can also autistically tell you, like, what she's actually saying.
When she says that, I mean, look, I'm butchering it because I'm not the one who did it, right?
But I know what he's talking about.
I've seen it.
I've seen the guys that go in on this stuff.
And it's like, to be a player, you absolutely have to understand their emotions to some degree.
Yeah.
But that doesn't involve holding her hand and being Dr. Phil and saying, honey, what's going on with you today?
You don't have, if you're a successful, ambitious man, you don't have time to do that.
I know, but I don't think that's what he said.
Like, that's not what I heard when he was talking that you're like going to be Dr. Phil with her.
But it's like, I think sometimes it's helpful to know if she says this, she means this.
Like, what's the downside of knowing that?
Especially when there's guys that have, you know, like autistically done all the work for you.
You know, I'm going to put it like this you can't have a relationship with somebody you don't understand how they think.
Well, okay.
So two things.
The first thing is I do agree with what he had just said.
I could see where the confusion is now.
If you look at talking, dating, relationship, marriage, I could see where relationship and marriage, where you would come in, Mark, where you're sitting there saying that, Hey, you need to learn her emotions.
You need to try to understand how she's feeling and she's reacting off her emotion.
But if you're anything under the realm of relationship where it's just dating, hooking up, one night stand, friends with benefits, you don't really need to know her emotions.
Because you're not taking it serious.
Well, you're not taking it serious enough to be around.
So don't worry.
He had long term relationships.
He would just always have more than one.
Let's put it this way.
Let's put it this way.
If you don't understand female psychology, you're weird and awkward to be around.
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They think you're creepy.
Are you going to get laid?
Are you mixing female psychology with socializing?
Because if you're very social and friendly and charismatic, that's not really female psychology.
So you can be charming.
No, it is psychology because they like that.
They like a man who knows how to be socially competent.
That's why, if you look at the pickup artist, they have this term that they call social proof.
These are men who said, Hey, look, women like a man that other people like.
So let me learn how to be a person that other people like to be around so that women who I want to fuck can see me hanging out with other people that other people think I'm cool, especially that other women think I'm cool.
These are men who understood psychology and the emotions.
They understood.
That when a woman sees a man that other women find cool to hang out with, it makes her feel more okay interacting with him.
But if she sees this is a man that other women think are weird, there must be something wrong with him.
I don't even want to talk to him.
It's her emotions, it's her psychology.
You ain't changing it.
The pickup artists figured this out and they said, Okay, let me make it work for me instead of against me.
Let me learn how not to be the weird, awkward creep that nobody wants to be around.
Let me learn how to be social, charismatic, that people want to be around.
Let me learn how to be fun to be around so that the women I want to fuck.
They think I'm fun to be around, also.
They figured out, hey, I can't fight her fucking emotions.
But the pickup artistry, it's just like those Hallmark romance movies where the pickup artistry teaches you how to get sex, but the hard part, it's like those Hallmark movies where the girl falls in love, kisses the guy, but then the movie ends right when she kisses the guy.
The guy, right?
What I'm saying is, like, you're talking about because earlier your context was having a relationship and a long term outcome with a woman, right?
I don't think anyone would argue with the initial pick, you have to put in the work there, but like the cost really comes at dealing with the woman long term.
I know, but there's guys that do that too.
Like, that's what Ryan Stone does.
He has like any outcome involving women requires you putting in the work to understand them.
Whether it's just dating, just hooking up, or relationship, it doesn't matter which of those outcomes you want.
There is no workaround to learning to understand what it takes to get that.
Yeah, and that's not my contention.
If all you want to do is just hook up, you have to have some level of understanding of her psychology.
If you don't know how to turn her on, don't expect to get laid.
Yes, yes, yes.
Okay.
That's never been a point of contention, Mark.
You still have to have emotions.
You have to know how to create that emotion of desire where she wants to get naked with you.
If you don't know how to create that desire, that emotion in her, don't be surprised that you don't get it.
You're not guaranteed an outcome.
Avilos on the chat put it the best.
She said, Learn to understand what attracts women is different than trying to communicate with a woman or understanding her emotions.
And that's my biggest problem with what you're saying.
You're like, hold her hand and Dr. Philip, bro, and just don't do that.
She's saying you can walk away if she's too bad.
Like, that's what he keeps saying.
He said that so many times.
I'm sorry.
I feel like me and Doug, Doug and PA, I feel like me and you are listening to two different people because I feel like I understand.
Because you're not.
I hear what he's saying.
You haven't tried what he's saying.
I have.
Hold up.
Hold up.
I've been married.
I've had multiple relationships.
The worst thing you've ever done is understand her, bro.
It'll work, bro.
Just understand her, bro.
I know guys with a different point of view than you that have also done it.
You know, it's like, what's going on?
You've never tried to have a serious relationship.
A heterosexual woman.
I had to pick up with a woman.
I have.
I've been married.
I've done this.
I can tell you what Mark's talking about.
Let's understand her, bro.
It's a bad way to go about things.
No, no, no, no.
You have to understand her and you have to hold her accountable if she's being dishonest, especially with herself.
There is no workaround.
You want to get laid with the woman?
You got to understand how she's feeling.
If you can't make her feel a certain type of way where she wants to get naked with you, she's not going to get naked with you.
If you don't know how to make her feel a certain type of way that she wants to get on with you, She's not going to date you.
You have to understand how to make yourself feel a certain type of way.
You know, there was a.
Sorry, go ahead.
Okay.
No, no, you go ahead.
You got this.
Yeah, I was going to say there was a famous quote.
If anyone watched the movie Jack Reacher with Tom Cruise, there was a famous line where that hooker sits down with him, or like that girl sits down with him, and she's basically saying she wants to get out of there with him.
And he basically says, No, thank you.
I can't afford you.
And she says, I'm not a hooker.
And she says, Exactly.
That's why I can't afford you.
And basically, what he's trying to say is the most expensive women are the ones you don't pay for.
Yeah, what he, what he actually sees it.
I paid to leave.
What he actually said was, Man, I really can't afford you.
Yeah, and Mark is saying, Well, go for it, dude.
Go for those women.
No, no, no, I'm not saying go for it.
What I'm saying is, You got to sit there and decide is it worth the effort?
You got to just, but you can't say that the guys who decide that the effort isn't worth it are just bitching and moaning and complaining.
Men are cost fitting right now, yeah, because because you can say that women aren't worth the squeeze, and you can't shame a guy by saying he's just bitching and moaning and complaining about talking about the cost of women.
Hold on, hold on, I can't because that's what you're doing.
The way the reason you're I'm saying women are too expensive, and you're saying I'm bitching and moaning and complaining.
Okay, there, bro, that's great.
Wait, Mark, maybe you can tell us, keep Dr. Phil in it, bro, keep going.
But I think what he keeps saying, though, he keeps because he's he's sorry, I just I feel like we're listening to two different combos.
He keeps saying that if it's not worth the squeeze, then walk away.
Yeah.
And if it's not worth the squeeze, I can say it's not worth the squeeze.
And I'm not bitching and moaning and complaining.
I'm saying that the cost benefit is worth it.
He's saying depends on the outcome you want.
Like if you want a different outcome, you have to understand the buyer better.
Like to me, that makes perfect sense.
Like, and if you don't want that outcome, it's fine, walk away.
Maybe, maybe, sorry, go ahead.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm just, I'm misunderstanding him.
I don't know.
But I feel like I understand what he's saying.
Steve Pearl, I can get what you're saying if it's anything below a relationship, like how you said, understanding the buyer.
So anything that's under a relationship, I can feel where you're coming from with that.
But when it's a relationship or above and it's dealing with emotion, that's where it becomes more complex, especially if the person isn't good at communicating.
So I can see that phrase applying.
To a one night stand, friends with benefits, situationship, a summer fleeing, a cuddle buddy, anything that is a rental car, so to speak.
But when you reach that point where you're making payments or you've paid off the car, that's where I'm struggling with understanding his saying.
If it's anything relationship or above, I get what Mark is saying.
Where you've committed, I get what Mark is saying.
But anything below that, you have to understand them.
You want to find a relationship, it doesn't matter.
You have to understand them.
But that's what I'm saying.
When it's below that, and I'm at a nightclub or I'm at a bar, I don't have the time to understand the base foundation of our emotions, but I can use a cheat sheet and use materialistic things.
Okay.
Buy out the bar.
Oh, sorry.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
I just thought of something.
Like, for example, when I was growing up, I don't think, I think at times my mom would manipulate my father through crying.
Right.
And I remember one time my mom was crying, and I'm like, Dad, she's just like he was trying to go comfort her.
And I'm like, Dad.
Like, leave this bitch alone.
You know what I mean?
She's like, what are you doing?
Like, she's just doing that to manipulate you.
And, like, that information would have been helpful for him 10 years ago.
You know, it would have saved him 10 years of, you know, trying to help her out when she cried.
You know, like, I just don't see a downside in trying to understand, like, the person you're dating better.
You know, okay, here's what I'm going to say dating or relationship, a lot of the rules are the same.
You got to know what she finds attractive so you can turn her on, and you got to see through her bullshit, or she's going to bullshit test you until she resents you.
If I take Pearl's example, her experience with her father and her mother, they were married and they were together.
So her crying had an effect on him.
Now, if they never met and they bumped into each other at a bar or at a party and she tried that same tactic, it wouldn't hold the same weight onto him because they have no emotional connection.
So that's what I'm saying is that at a certain point when it's a relationship or marriage, I can see where Mark's coming from.
I can actually see a lot where he's coming from.
But anything below that, if any of these guys that's in the chat, Is at a party or at a club, and they see a girl crying, or they start talking to a girl and she starts crying, they'll slowly ghost her or drift away because there's no emotional test.
There's no reason for me to need to worry or learn why she's fully crying.
And even if I took the time to say, Why are you crying?
If I don't care, I'll be right back and I'll just ghost her.
She's a rental car.
I have no investment in her.
Why would I try to learn her emotions in the middle of a park?
Okay.
Okay.
Yes, I agree.
You're not responsible for her emotions.
You are not responsible for how she feels.
Even though I'm not.
Yes, it is.
I said you have to understand.
I never said you're responsible for it.
You have to understand she's going to feel what she feels, whether you like it or not.
You can either not know how to manipulate her emotions so it's working for you, so you're getting the outcomes you want, or somebody else is going to be manipulating her emotions and you're not getting what you want.
You slipped manipulate in there.
You didn't say manipulate earlier, bro.
Okay.
Yes.
You're sliding stuff in there, man.
I listened very carefully.
Now you're changing stuff up.
Hold on.
Let's use a different word influence.
Influence for the outcome you want.
How's that different than manipulate?
Mark, let me give you a hypothetical.
Like, let's say you're in a relationship with your old girl, right?
Let's say it hasn't gone south yet.
And let's say you're married and you live together and you share a mortgage.
Both your names are on the house.
You have kids with this girl and she starts acting up.
What do you do?
You got to call her out on it.
No work around.
Okay.
She still acts crazy, just like she was with you.
What do you do?
She doesn't listen to you.
Call her out on it.
You hold her accountable.
I know it fucking sucks.
I know she's probably going to rape you in divorce court.
You got to decide is it worth me being treated like shit because I'm afraid of divorce court, or is divorce court easier than me hating myself because I continue to put up with this bullshit?
You're not guaranteed an outcome.
I know it costs us a lot when we men lose.
It is what is I can't do.
But you said we don't lose earlier.
Remember that?
You said that we don't lose.
You said it.
I said you're not guaranteed an outcome.
You're not guaranteed.
You said we don't lose earlier.
You just said guys lose now.
Yes, some guys are cooked, man.
Hold on.
You're not guaranteed to win.
You're going to encounter L's.
What was the stream yesterday that Pro saw?
You got to take the L.
That goes for men and women.
It happens.
If she's acting up before you get in a relationship, walk away.
She's acting up in the relationship.
You got to decide, am I going to walk away or am I going to try to hold her accountable to fear?
You have the option to walk away no matter what.
You don't have to put up with her bad behavior.
You got to decide, is there enough here for me to try to work through this or not enough?
I'm going to walk away.
You are not obligated to stay.
Society tells you you have to stay.
No, you don't.
You don't have to put up with their bad behavior.
You have the option to walk away.
That's why men control access to relationships.
She wants to act stupid, walk away.
Hold her accountable, call her out, or walk away.
The biblical thing is you kick her out of the damn house.
Make her suffer for being a bitch.
She doesn't want to appreciate you being a good man, kick her out.
Let her figure out how good she has it.
So maybe she decides, you know what?
I'm going to own my shit and not act up.
She decides not to leave her.
You can't change her.
You are not obligated to stay.
You can always walk away.
I've told my own dad to walk away.
Yeah.
Think about that.
Well, I come from a religious, religious background where they say no divorce, no divorce.
So men and women end up in marriages where they're not working on their shit.
They both hate each other.
They resent each other.
But because it looks correct to society, they stay.
And the children pick up on that shit.
I'm sorry.
I said, fuck no, it doesn't work.
I told my own dad, walk away, divorce her.
She doesn't respect you.
You got to stop.
Okay, hold on.
I'm sorry.
I got to cook you for a second.
Chase, I'm dropping you for a second.
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Sean.
I'm so excited you called in because I'm really curious your take on this, Mr. Communication King of Communication.
Wait, I'm trying to figure out where it's at right now, Pearl, because they were going back and forth.
Shout outs to Doug.
Yeah, okay.
What did you hear?
What did you hear?
A lot, but it sounded like you were saying they were talking past each other, like they were basically almost saying the same thing.
I thought Mark was cooking.
Um, I'll tell you what I understood.
Doug MPA thinks he's full of no offense, Mark.
Doug MPA is.
On the other end, he's saying he's like, he's bro, get out of here.
Sean's on that end.
And I was like, are we listening to the same convo?
I was so entertained by this conversation.
It's completely off topic.
So, but I let it get right.
Wait, Doug, Doug, what did Doug think?
Doug, okay.
So, so Mark, Doug MP, I'm gonna let you go first.
Actually, tell me why you think Mark is cooked, donezo.
Please refrain from the personal attacks.
Don't.
Do that, just say why his argument is bad, and then Mark, I'm gonna let you go after, and then Sean will give your take.
Okay, okay, so okay, we should have Mark restate his thesis first.
Okay, can you sum it up in like 30 seconds, and then I'll say my interpretation.
So, restate your thesis.
Okay, you're not entitled to any outcome, you get the outcomes you want to work for, regardless of what it is in your life.
If you want to get a good relationship, you got to put in the work, you want to have a good woman, you're gonna have to put in the work.
That's it.
There's no workaround to putting in the work to get the outcome you want.
Okay, so what he's leaving out is he said that you have to understand a woman's emotions, right?
And you have to put work towards understanding a woman, understanding her emotions.
If she's upset, you have to ask her why she's upset.
You have to do all these things to women to understand them to get the outcomes you want.
And I'm like, bro, what are you talking about?
Now, we do agree that a man's purpose should be first.
I just said, look, A cost benefit analysis.
A lot of times, modern women are so entitled, they want a man's time and effort to be put towards them and not their purpose.
Understanding women, guys that get the most objective outcomes in the sexual marketplace, don't have to doctor fill it and understand women's emotions.
Even if you know what to say to a woman based upon how she's feeling, it doesn't involve you having to understand her emotions and put in all this work.
If you put in.
Up into your purpose, women will follow.
So, this whole thing where you have to doctor fill it and understand where she's coming from, you have to the juice is worth the squeeze and stuff.
It's just no, like, if you've ever had a serious relationship or been married, you understand that what Mark is saying is not the best way to go.
It's just not understanding women and their emotions.
All this stuff, good luck with that.
Okay, Mark, um, is there anything that you wanted to add before we let Sean go?
Um, yeah, that men don't lose when it comes to interacting with women.
I said yes.
Okay, here's what I want to say.
If you're not going to doctor fill her emotions, she's going to do it with her crazy girlfriends, and they're going to convince her to break up with you because you ain't shit.
So you let them doctor fill her, or you figure out how to doctor fill her so it works for you.
Okay.
Is there anything else you wanted to add before we let Sean go?
Mark, and then I'll let Doug have one more final ad if there's any.
Mark, is that it?
Yeah, that's it.
Okay.
Doug MPA, is there anything else?
I just, you know.
Sean, help me out, dude.
Help me out.
Okay.
Go for it, Sean.
Okay.
Sean, now, before Sean goes, I think Sean's going to agree with Mark.
I really think he's going to agree with him.
But I could be wrong.
I don't know.
So, Sean, go ahead.
All right, cool.
So, I don't know what happened in the first round, but I think that these guys, I would actually agree with both of them.
And I'm not being diplomatic, I'm actually being honest.
Mark was cooking and Doug was cooking.
Because I do believe, just let's go off his last point when he said you have to doctor fill the situation.
I have to control everything, like at the end of the day, and then I also have to realize that I don't have control of everything, also, there is free will, but I'm at least gonna be the person who propagandizes my girl, I'm gonna be at least the person who creates the architect that she steps into.
I design everything, I'm God on this planet, and so net net, I create the laws and establish them.
The part will probably differ is just hey, when they violate.
Then they get tossed out of the Garden of Eden, that's all it is.
But I did everything else that I needed to do to set up the construct because I can never step into a female's construct ever.
What do you think about managing her emotions?
Do you agree that okay, so all humans?
I think that's what they're disagreeing about is Doug MPA saying no, that's a waste of time, you can't manage her emotions, and Mark saying no, you have to.
Uh, what do you think?
This is what I'm trying to say, and I think Doug also will probably agree about managing her emotions.
You don't have to manage your emotions like a simp.
That's what Doug probably hates because most guys do that.
So it comes to they're not really managing her emotions from a power position.
They're doing it from a reactionary position.
Meaning, like you said, when your father, you know, she was crying or whatever, right?
He would just kowtow and do whatever she said.
From what I heard, what Mark said is he'll try to control the situation and redirect that energy into a situation that benefits him.
That's an alpha move or that is an architect move.
So, all humans have it.
I led Marines.
They were trained in the United States Marine Corps to be killers.
I still had to manage their emotions and understand the psychologies of my troops.
You just deal with humans.
But I think Doug just has a real hell no policy, zero tolerance to men dealing with women's emotions and a gynocentric construct, which is usually like, let me appease you.
Let me go do what you want me to do, honey.
I'm going to add that because when you're managing the emotions of your Marines that you commanded, There's tangible benefits and outcomes for all parties involved.
Women are selfish by nature.
So you can manage a woman's emotions with no tangible benefits to yourself.
That's what I'm saying.
Women want successful, competitive, ambitious men to set what they want aside to help them achieve their own selfish goals, period.
I know, I do agree that a good amount of women are like that.
So you have to really stay away from those women who do that.
There's a lot because you know why?
Supply and demand.
Most guys give that over to them because they're just usually, again, from the gynocentric construct, pedestalizing the women.
But, Doug, you are a person that mostly, when you come across those women, what do you do?
Try to cut them out of your life and you learn from the situations you already had in your life.
Now, you're probably going to get a future girl, but she won't have those characteristics.
Am I right or am I wrong?
You're going to find a girl that's similar to the ex.
What?
Ask that one more time.
I'm sorry.
I said, Are you going to find a girl that's similar to your ex or a different one?
Because again, exactly.
And she'll treat you different, right?
Depending on her and you and what you work out.
But you just know the flags and the indicators.
But also, she can crash out too.
That's always an option.
I'm going into my next relationship knowing that I'm not going to benefit from a woman's emotions, period.
I'm just not.
Like, I have to benefit.
I see you saying from her emotions.
Like, honestly, how can a man benefit?
From a woman's emotions in 2022, what's she gonna do?
Love you?
Get the out of here, dude.
Hold on, what's she gonna do?
Care for you and nurture you?
Women are not nurturers, they don't love you for real.
Period.
Hold on, Doug.
Are you benefiting when she wants to you because you know how to build attraction and desire?
Women can guys if they're not emotionally attracted to you, they do it all the time.
Yes, so no, but don't you benefit when she wants to?
You have to know how to manage her emotions.
To make her feel that way, to get the sex you want from women, sleep with guys for freaking material things, cost benefit, all the time, bro.
Yeah, but you said that you prefer genuine desire sex.
Like, no, I never said that.
Not today, you said it before, though.
Like, no, I've never said I prefer to genuine desire sex.
I said most guys will never get genuine, yeah, yeah, yeah, never get it.
I never said that I prefer that.
I pretty much prefer transactional.
I mean, most stuff with women is transactional.
I'm the one saying, get a woman who needs a green card.
I need a green card.
Sex is the closest sex a man will get to genuine desire sex, period.
You have to have something that'll change her life.
And if you have that, she will fuck you like you've never been fucked before.
I swear you told me that once you've experienced that, it's hard to go back.
But maybe it was someone else.
You know what's funny?
I don't know if most guys will hate to have to do this audit, but guys, have you ever gotten genuine desire sex in your life?
I have.
And if so, has it been more than five or six times?
Yeah.
Just think about it.
I had to learn how to create.
I wanted it.
I had to put in the work.
I didn't get it because I didn't know.
Then I learned how to do it and I got it.
Well, I'll also say, are you still getting it?
Are you still getting it, or how long did it last?
I don't remember.
I've been out of the market for a while, been working, pursuing other things.
So, I have had it.
So, the fact that you've been single, would you say that you bitch and moan and complain because you're single?
You don't want to deal with women right now, or what?
No, I said I'm pursuing other pursuits.
I've come to terms that I can't do that if I want to keep putting in the amount of time I want to for something else.
So, then you and I. Agree that once again, a lot of times when dealing with women, it'll take away from things like you have to want to take away from other things to have a relationship.
I've never disagreed with that.
The biggest difference between your purpose and your career, your job is it's singularly your effort.
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When you're dealing with a woman, a lot of guys are sleeping next to their worst enemy, bro.
Hold on.
Your purpose and your effort still involve other people.
You still have to learn how to interact with the other people.
You have to learn what kind of impact or influence you're having on the other people because other people are gatekeepers.
There are certain promotions you're not going to get unless you make a good impression.
Yeah.
So even in your purpose, you still have to understand how you're influencing other people, what kind of impression you're giving them, what kind of emotions they're feeling about you.
So, but I just want to say that your current life, what you do right now, is exactly what I'm telling guys to do.
And great.
Keep doing that, Mark.
Keep doing that.
Keep doing what Dougie and PA says.
Focus on yourself, focus on your purpose.
Keep doing that.
I feel like we're listening to two different combos, but I'm going to actually wrap it up.
This is a good back and forth.
Eddie, you guys can give your final words on the topic.
Sean, you just got here, so I'll let you go first.
Ah, dang.
All right.
Shout outs to both of them.
I think they both had a good conversation.
Shout outs to YouTube Pearl.
What I would say also is Dr. Ryan Terraban actually did a video.
He was talking about the girl being the prize, or what we like to call a diamond.
And Let me finish before you start shaking your head, Mark.
All right.
Let me land the plane.
All right.
We just got up in the air.
So, Net Net, what he was saying, right now, you're going to start shaking your head like this.
What he was saying was that men are the diamond mine owners.
We own the mine.
See, the diamond is pretty when you blossom it up and everybody focuses on that, but nobody focuses on who actually owns the mine.
And for me, I was saying, I'm the champion.
I collect many prizes, females is just one of them.
So, you could be the prize all you want.
Nobody's going to John Jones.
For the belt, he's a champion back to back.
He held multiple different types of championships and trophies and belts.
So, at the end of the day, I am the winner.
I am the champion as the man.
And yes, I must master human emotion and psychology.
But at the end of the day, I must master my own life, as Doug said.
And I'm sure Mark would agree.
That's the most important thing.
I'll end on this.
Somebody asked me, Well, what if a girl doesn't have a burning desire?
I believe in the free market.
I don't give a damn.
Because even the girl who has a burning desire, Wants me because I built myself up to be a 666 and other people.
So at the end of the day, the common denominator is me.
Shout outs to Pearl.
Shout outs to the audience and the white nation coming back and the white Sean.
Let's go.
Okay, Mark, I'm going to let you give your final words and then Doug MPA after him.
Why do men want to do the 666?
Because women like it, other men respect it.
So even then, you're demonstrating by some of the things we choose to pursue in our professional life that you're still trying to make an impact on other people.
There are some men who decide, yeah, I'm not doing that.
There are other men who say, yes, I'm going to do that because that's going to help me get the outcome I want, professionally or personally.
There's no shortcut to putting in the work to mastering your own psychology and understanding human psychology.
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Whatever outcome you want in life, at some point or other, human psychology is involved.
You don't get to escape it.
You got to just put in the work.
Cool.
Thanks, Mark.
Doug MPA, final thoughts.
Pearly said that the reason why cancer hasn't been cured is because all the scientists researching cancer are married.
That's true.
The scientists trying to cure cancer are at home trying to understand their wife's emotions instead of curing cancer.
So, what I'm saying is spend time curing cancer.
A lot of guys are sleeping next to their worst enemy.
Each day, a woman will actively try to stop her man from doing his hobbies, his life, all that stuff.
So, while you're trying to understand her, she has an active agenda to get what she wants out of a man.
Period.
So, guys, be a cost benefit calculator, right?
Make sure that you have the bandwidth to be able to deal with women.
There's a reason why when a man gets divorced, his net worth increases, and a guy is usually more successful at the divorce, right?
Put the time aside to date, but understand a lot of the times, especially if you're successful and ambitious, a lot of the women that you're with, when you leave them behind, you will leave them in an infinitely better position than when you met them, right?
And just plan accordingly.
Be on your purpose first, women second.
And if you meet a guy who's successful and ambitious, who's been married and tried what Mark said, they'll tell you exactly what I'm saying.
One last thing the guys who get objective success in the sexual dating market.
Understand women, but they don't placate to their emotions.
They don't pander.
They don't do any of that stuff.
That's not necessary to understand women.
That's all I'm saying.
Okay.
Thanks, Doug MPA.
Appreciate you.
Okay.
Yeah.
I kind of just thought the convo was interesting.
So it was a little off topic, but I hope you guys don't mind.
I let it keep going.
I agree with him that you have to understand female psychology.
You know, I agree with him.
I don't know.
It was kind of weird because I was like, I feel like we're listening to two different combos.
You know, because I'm like, I made perfect sense.
Maybe I'm crazy, but it's like, oh, sorry.
Oh, my God.
Because, like, the way I think about it is women shit test you on the first date, and we just shit test you for eternity.
So you just got to learn.
Anyways, I'm getting tired.
So take it or leave it.
Tomorrow, I was thinking if you guys have any say on the show topic tomorrow, I was debating covering either Katy Perry, covering how you have 48 hours to hit as a man.
So you got 48 hours.
Really.
Because we're just never going to fuck you if we don't fuck you immediately.
That's just my opinion.
Like, you got from like now in 2026, you're like competing with concerts.
You're competing with every other guy in our DA.
You got 48 hours, my guys.
First message to hit.
Yeah, guys that wait longer, you're going to be waiting a long time.
You are not first choice.
And some men don't mind.
They're like, I'll take a second, whatever.
You know.
So, if you guys like that topic, put in the comments.
Let's see.
Oh, how women liking bad men isn't necessarily bad because women don't like men that have validation seeking behavior.
And that's actually normal because we don't want a guy that avoids conflict, who's not honest about what he wants, who's not assertive.
And that's why we always phrase it as bad, but it's not necessarily bad that women don't want wimps, right?
So, one of those, if you like any of those topics, put your favorite out of the three.
Those are the ones.
I'm either going to go live tomorrow or Friday.
I felt like I'm kind of testing the schedule I want to do.
And I kind of like the idea of Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, weeknights.
But I think sometimes it's a little bit better when I wait a day in between.
Like today, I think, was a little less organized than yesterday.
So, you know, do you know what I mean?
I'm like, mm, mm.
So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to write it, and however long it takes me to write it, then I'm going to do the show.
So, if it takes me all day today, then I'll do it all day tomorrow, then I'll do it tomorrow.
If it takes me a little longer, then I'll do it Friday.
Writing The Show Honestly00:02:38
So, I don't understand.
People always say this.
They're like, what's wrong with your eyes?
I'm like, I don't know.
I was born this way with my guys.
Like, people always say, Are you tired?
I'm like, No, I actually get eight hours of sleep pretty much ever.
I'm an influencer, I'm a YouTuber.
I haven't had an alarm in years.
I don't say this to brag.
I'm just being honest.
I really haven't had an alarm.
Like, I don't remember the last time I had an alarm where, like, I had to leave and go to work.
Like, it's been that.
This is probably the most spoiled thing ever to say.
But I'm like, I'm not tired.
I just look that way.
I just, you know what I mean?
Bad boys, you like that one?
Yeah, it's living.
Yeah, like, I think that one will take me.
If I do that topic, I'll probably wait till Friday because.
I was reading Dr. Glover's work and some of Ryan Stone's work, and it just articulated why certain men are unattractive to us in a way that was so insightful that I was like, I could talk about this for three hours because it just made so much stuff in my life make sense.
Because that's essentially like guys that are quote unquote bad are honest.
Well, not all.
I'm going to be honest.
I know some that lie to high heavens, but it's like they almost, even men that lie, it's like on a subconscious level, it's like they have the boldness to lie to you, right?
In a way, it's like easy to tell the truth.
You got to live with guilt if you lie.
I'm not saying to do it, but it's kind of like you've seen, what's it called?
Anna Delvey.
It's that girl.
She like scammed all of, she got invited to like a billionaire party and got into high society in New York.
And like, stayed at all these rich hotels by lying and saying she was an heiress.
And you know what I mean?
Like, people, she's kind of become an internet celebrity, even though she's obviously a loser, because everyone's so enamored with her.
Because in a way, it took courage to lie.
Like, you know what I mean?
If you're going to scam all in New York City, you could say it's a bad, right?
You could say it's immoral.
But in a way, like, that did take courage to do the wrong thing, you know?
Scammers And Internet Celebrities00:01:03
Let's see.
And that's why when that guy was talking about obligatory sex, I knew exactly what he was saying.
Any woman that has sex out of obligation knows how it feels.
I have to have.
I think that maybe is the one I'm going to do for Friday.
I'm just, I'm a little nervous to do it because I don't understand.
I'll read the material tomorrow.
And I've been reading it.
But.
Sometimes I get nervous to do certain topics because I'm like, there's so many guys that are better at like Ryan Stone's like a genius.
So is that Robert Glover, like PsycHacks?
They're so good at articulating the stuff.
I get kind of nervous.
I'm like, I want to do a good job.
I think I could do it, though.
I think I could do it.
So, anyways, all right, guys, thanks for watching.
I'll do a simp song to open on Thursday or Friday.