Clavicular, a 20-year-old influencer from Hoboken now based in Fort Lauderdale, details his "looks maxing" journey using testosterone, HGH, Ozempic, and steroids to optimize sexual market value. He critiques traditional dating as low ROI, arguing society is a "woman's world" where aesthetics dictate success over character. The discussion covers the "Gen Z sex recession," controversial incidents like Nautica Malone's death, and the host's admission of using Pregabalin and stimulants for performance. Ultimately, the episode frames looks maxing as an apolitical escape route for involuntarily celibate men, challenging media narratives that prioritize controversy over genuine inquiry into biohacking strategies. [Automatically generated summary]
Doug clicked something and made it like, I don't know, it was a button or something.
Okay, we're going to go back into what I was talking about, though.
So I made it members only this time.
And it used to be back in the day you could hoe out in college and nobody would really know.
And you could outrun your past.
But it seems like, you know, women's desperate need for attention is catching up to them.
So, wait, hold on.
Okay, so apparently this girl, she was at a college, right?
I don't remember which college, but I guess she had an Eiffel Tower done.
She got a train ran on her.
And instead of, you know, finding God and playing innocent later and all that bullshit, one of the guys recorded it and posted it on Twitter.
And it kind of begs the question like, yeah, she kind of brought it upon herself, but.
She didn't ask, she wasn't a public figure.
She didn't ask to be a porn star.
And now that video, I guess, was on Twitter.
Okay, if nobody ever.
And now there's another girl who hoarded out by hooking up with a guy in the bathroom of a club or something.
And again, this stuff used to happen back in the day, but you hoard out and then, you know, moved on with your life.
Now the women, there's a digital footprint.
And it's going to be harder and harder to outrun the past, especially.
With how everything's getting recorded now.
Listens to another thing I say, please just listen to this video, please.
Because this network of men that posted me ruined my life illegally, by the way.
Just like I predicted, they are doing this to more girls, just as they did to girls before me, and nobody seems to care.
I'm speaking to my community.
I'm speaking to Elon Musk at Twitter.
I'm speaking to every single person in America at this point because something needs to be done.
These accounts are posting girls' bodies without their permission.
Over and over and over again, and nobody so her.
Okay, you know, I mean, obviously, you're kind of asking for it if you get a train ran on you, but like, you know, the train, you know, you could be a private hoe.
I don't think the whole world needs to know, you know, what she's doing behind closed doors.
You know, I don't really think so.
I do have a little sympathy for this one, not really the ones that are getting banged in the bathroom, like, you kind of brought that upon yourself, you know, but.
This girl, I mean, if she wants to get a train ran on her in private and she didn't ask to be on Twitter.
He is stopping them.
This is not like one off mistakes, like, oh, it just happened to me.
These are repeat patterns that these platforms are allowing to continue.
I feel like what happened to me was treated as just some drama or some big event, and then everybody kind of moved on.
I need everybody to understand that this is not just a me thing.
This is happening to so many girls.
Sometimes these posts go viral, sometimes they don't.
I'm convinced that half of the videos on Twitter, the people in them don't even know they're posted on Twitter because I'm just saying though, like if girls want to get trains ran on them, go get your train, honey.
Like, I maybe I'm modern or whatever, but if she's not pretending to not be a ho and she's accepting the possible STDs, I don't think the whole world needs to know about it.
You know, I think we're kind of in this weird age where everything gets posted online, and if she wants to whore out.
Um, you know, go for it, sweetie.
It's not my problem.
It didn't go viral.
Like, let's be real if the video of me did not go viral, I would not even know it was on the internet.
Like, what is going on?
And these people on Twitter, they go and they post these videos and find out all of these girls' personal information, post it all over the internet, dox them, and then they go in these Twitter spaces where they can talk, and then they just degrade these girls for hours and hours on end.
I just went on my fake Twitter account and joined one, and I'm horrified.
I am sick to my stomach about the things that these guys are saying.
And you know what's crazy?
It's not just guys that are doing this.
By sitting in this voice chat tonight, I've learned that it's girls too.
There's girls behind these burner accounts, there's old ass men behind these burner accounts.
Up at four in the morning, talking about these girls' bodies and laughing at them and making jokes.
Yeah, so what she's saying is these men are low status.
These are old guys, ugly guys.
They're low status.
So why are you even commenting?
Like, it's kind of like people that aren't in the game, right?
High status people, they're like in the game, right?
And so she's saying, I'm high status.
Why are these low status men commenting?
That's because the low status men, they're not getting laid, right?
So they got to focus on you.
Like high status men, they're not too worried about a girl that they don't know running the train, right?
Like if they got a wife or a family or whatever, but you know, these are people with nothing to do because there's a lot of guys without purpose out there.
Not an insult, it's just a fact.
So it got more time.
And yeah, I don't, what do you guys think?
Do you think it's, yeah, thank you, BlackNO1918 for gifting memberships.
Do you guys think, She deserves to have this on the internet if she's doing something private behind closed doors that's like debaucherous to me.
Um, it's like, uh, that's you know your problem.
I don't really think that you're asking to be a public figure.
Um, however, if you're you know letting a bunch of young frat guys run a train on you, it is gonna like people are gonna talk.
That's too many people involved.
So, I don't know.
You guys can fight over that.
Oh, wait, let me keep going.
Again, the girls that did it in public were asking for it.
I gotta say, her, I have a little sympathy for.
I do.
Like, having a sex tape out against your will, I don't know.
It's okay.
And you don't care until it happens to you.
Like, genuinely, this could happen to anyone.
And it's going to continue.
I don't know.
I gotta be honest.
I don't know.
Like, you kind of do have to accept doing a train to get a video of a train circulating about you.
Do you know what I mean?
Not everyone does trains, Maddie.
I gotta be honest.
That is not something everybody does.
That is not something everybody does.
I gotta be honest.
I'm just trying to keep it a buck with you.
That's not something we're all partaking in.
That was just you.
The video, I do think that, like in modern day, anybody can, anybody that you hook up with, if you've had sex with anyone you're not married to, anybody could take a video of you.
There's too many ring cameras.
There's too much, like, your wife's got a video on someone's camera roll somewhere.
You know what I mean?
Or picture, right?
To happen to probably everybody unless we stop it.
And if you're a woman and you're sitting in these voice chats, degrading other girls, laughing along at four in the morning, I'm just so angry.
And I wasn't that angry before.
I was angry when everything happened to me, but now I'm just angry again because it's happening over and over and over again.
And I'm not sure what kind of action can be taken, but something has to be done.
Something.
Good night.
Yeah, so women are going to police to get this stuff taken down, and it's going to be a whole thing.
All right, let's get to clavicular.
So, clavicular is really the antithesis of the internet age.
And he has access to more women than most men will get in their entire life.
And he did it by increasing his looks exponentially.
So, getting really lean, fixing his hair, fixing his, et cetera.
So, now he's being interviewed by all the big news networks, right?
Because he's Making a ton of money.
He's streaming.
And now all the mainstream media is kind of trying to, you know, make him out to be crazy.
And, you know, he's not crazy.
Really, he's just doing what he has to do to make money in this generation and get bitches.
So, incel has been largely misused.
So, let's clarify what that actually is.
So, you think that even if someone had every word of the.
Incel is what is an incel?
Like, if a guy hasn't had sex in a few years, is he an incel?
Or there's a certain circumstance?
I don't know.
My friend said he doesn't respect anyone that hasn't banged five girls in a year.
And I think that's like a kind of reasonable, you know what I mean?
Like, it's like lifting weights.
Like, you have to have done it recently.
You have to have slayed some hoes to talk about slaying hoes.
I mean, not like we can police speech here, but, you know, there has to be a basis of credibility and it has to be recent.
It can't be like 10 years ago.
Otherwise, you're not going to be up with the new trend.
Neil Strauss booked the game, memorized, and they were like super busted.
They could approach a Stacey and get totally Lenard, like brutalized almost.
Like, women are brutal as fuck these days.
I was talking about this on my stream the other day.
Say you were to do like a bowling date with a girl and you weren't streaming it.
Like, That's just the most ridiculous.
What about like connecting with her because you like her or something like that?
You know, like maybe you want to start a family.
Where's the ROI in that?
What's that?
Return on investment.
What's the value there?
I mean, in engaging with people in real life?
Yeah, I mean, there's really not that many people that are worth interacting with, I would say.
What do you mean?
Like, most people are extremely jester.
If you want to be completely disingenuous, that's fine with me.
I guess there's just no point to continue.
All right.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is Braden Peters, known online as Clavicular, Clav for short, a 20 year old from Hoboken, New Jersey, currently living and trapping content out of a rented mansion in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
The property has been converted to a 24 7, fully staffed live streaming studio for Clav's particular brand of content, which focuses on partying and also helping young men, particularly in Gen Alpha and early Gen Z, look sexy as fuck and ascend by engaging in look maxing activities like facial surgery, limb lengthening, Botox, peptide use, and steroid injection.
All with the goal of raising their SMV, sexual market value, in a way that will lead to more ascension and life success.
Across mainstream platforms, he has over a million followers and over 170,000 recurring viewers on the live streaming platform Kik.
I don't want to spoil it too much, though.
Let's get into the interview.
All right.
Thanks so much for making the time, man.
I appreciate it.
Oh, sorry.
How's it going?
How are you doing, man?
Getting started.
How are you?
I'm good.
So for those who don't know, can you tell us your name and kind of what you do?
I'm Clavicular.
I do live streaming.
Hop on a variety of podcasts to talk about sort of my philosophy on why looks are arguably one of the most important things in terms of your success in life.
And what do you mean by that?
Well, what I basically mean is every single trait of yours is going to be perceived different, differently, uh, according to your looks level, right?
So if you're super caged in and shy, but you're good looking, um, that will be perceived a lot different, uh, rather than if you were, you know, an acne ridden, balding, uh, jester and you stay inside all day, people will call you a recluse.
They'll call you weird, whatever.
So, uh, even though the actions are the complete same.
So that's what I'm talking about here.
And what's the exact equation for measuring, like, Aesthetic value?
So, there's a lot of different ratios that go into it to calculate someone's overall facial harmony score.
So, for example, that could be the width of your eyes relative to the width of your cheekbones, would be your eye separation ratio or your mid face ratio, for example.
And then you're going to take all these measurements and calculate them into a final percentage harmony score.
And who has the highest score right now living?
I believe it's Matt Baumer.
What in particular about Matt's face gives him that high score?
It's not one particular thing because it's a calculation of a lot of different measurements.
Well, congrats on the big viewership and stuff like that.
Thank you.
It's kind of cool to see the mechanics of algorithmic takeover here.
I appreciate that.
I read less than a year ago you were a line cook.
That's right.
Well, it was just one of my many roles at a restaurant I worked at.
What made you kind of want to jump into creating content?
I had already been kind of posting my looks maxing routine and the protocols I was doing.
For a good amount of time on TikTok, not really taking it too seriously.
And I was posting on online forums.
So I was sort of like a well known name in a really small, tight knit community.
And then I kind of took it a little bit more serious because people were asking me, like, how do you do this?
What was your experience like with this peptide, whatever?
And it started to get a lot of traction very early on.
So I just continued with it and we're here now.
So going back to like the early days, you were born in 2005, right?
That's right.
How would you describe your childhood?
Was it fun?
Pretty normal, I'd say.
Your social experience in school, though, how was that?
I mean, what age range are we talking about?
I guess right around 13, 14 is what I'm thinking.
Well, that would have been during the pandemic.
So I was in online school.
Oh, shit.
He's getting mogged.
This interviewer is getting mogged.
How do you think that being in online school transformed your experience during that time?
Prioritizing Physique00:06:04
Well, obviously.
The way he's asking it, he's trying to box him in as weird.
But a lot of times they try to.
Boxing Gen Z guys is weird because they're not interested in a lot of the things.
Millennial guys got like swooped into.
Like a lot of millennial guys were super simps.
They got married, they worked up in corporate America.
And a lot of Gen Z men are like, if a woman hits me, I'm hitting that bitch back.
No, you can pay for 50% of the day.
And the older men, they're like, oh, no, I'm not.
The Gen Z men are like, no, I'm not getting married.
And the older men kind of try to shame them into taking the L's that they took, especially the men that have been like controlled by women their whole life.
And it's like, it's, yeah.
So hold on.
So you're not interacting with anyone.
Yeah.
Just like Ladarring.
But I mean, was that the time window that you sort of fell into the looks maxing community?
Around that time, actually.
Yeah.
What do you think?
Right at the tail end of the pandemic.
What do you think initially appealed to you about it?
Well, it just seemed like when I first started lifting and then I got, Really into pharmacology and steroid usage.
I was like, this is like literally a video game cheat code, is what it almost feels like.
And it seemed like so ridiculous to try to play the game fair when.
I had access to all these things.
What was the first kind of thing that you tried out?
Test.
Test.
How do you get that stuff?
No comment.
But it's like, it's technically illegal in the US, right?
But other countries have like more lax regulations.
No, it's prescription only.
Okay.
And how did that affect your looks immediately?
Like when you mix that with a bit of lifting?
I started to blow up quite quickly.
I've heard that testosterone is like life changing for men's dating lives.
I don't know if anyone's been on TRT here in the chat, I've heard it's like life changing.
Sure, it has side effects.
Sure, you might die early, but it's like there's some things you do, even though you might die early.
In terms of the amount of muscle mass I had, but I descended because I was lifting and a huge caloric surplus.
So I turned into kind of like a blob sack.
So, I mean, I definitely looked minned from taking tests and just bulking, but it wasn't a test.
It was just like prioritizing physique.
In mass over leanness and angularity.
And you were already creating content like right off the bat when you found this stuff, or did that come a bit later?
I actually sort of was around, I started kind of documenting a lot of what I was doing on forums and actually have like a few YouTube videos, like kind of going over my experience that people dug up from years prior about like various different cycles I had done.
But yes, I've been doing content for a little while, but none of it was serious.
I never intended to monetize it or have a career made out of it.
Hey, what's up, guys?
This is not an advertisement, by the way, but did you hear that about a year ago we bought 5.News?
What do you think was the particular moment that made people really catch on to what you were doing?
I would say that a lot of like the DIY stuff was what blew up because a lot of people were too scared to try it themselves, like doing injectable fat dissolvers and stuff.
I would post it on YouTube and people thought it was crazy.
They thought it was interesting.
So that kind of gave me a lot of clout within like the tight knit.
Looks maxing community, but in terms of like mainstream success and things like TikTok or whatever, a lot of what led to my blow up was like a segment I did calling out copes, right?
Because in early 2025, I'm sure a lot of you guys remember, there was just like a lot of ridiculous methods kind of being put out there for looks maxing that really didn't make fucking sense at all.
Like, what's the stupidest method that you saw where you were like, no way?
Oh, dude, there was this one where it was like jumping to get taller.
What are you doing?
It's like called like.
Messiah jump?
Fuck, I don't even remember, but it was really retarded.
So I kind of just said to the one guy who.
It says, Pearl, shouldn't he have a trade or a business or is just being a model to be husband material?
What do you mean, should?
Like, you're going to tell another man what to do?
Might be not the path that you'd want to do, but I'm not going to fault him for, like, what's he doing wrong?
He wants to use his body to try out drugs I'm not willing to try.
Well, you know, he's competing with celebrities for these young women.
And now he became one.
Just kind of pushing it like, dude, like this is clearly cope.
This is ridiculous and you know it.
And that kind of gave me a lot of clout, like exposing gestures, I'd say.
So a jester is not just someone who's funny.
It's somebody who was.
Well, it could be used in like a lot of contexts.
But I mean, like it is kind of gesturing a little bit because the methods are like so ridiculous.
You're like fucking, you know, bouncing around, like trying to get taller.
Is it consecutive jumping, like bunny hops for hours?
I honestly.
Couldn't tell you the exact protocol for what people were doing back then, but I just know I had something to do with.
Trying to apply Wolf's Law to like vertical height.
And like, that doesn't make any sense at all.
The first thing that caught my eye was the bone smashing.
Okay.
Because I was like worried about it.
Because I saw some people responding saying, like, oh, in time, one day you're going to have like jaw issues.
Do you think that's bullshit?
Yeah, because I don't even bone smash my jaw.
Okay.
My bad.
How does it work?
Cheekbones.
And it's just like, it's so silly that people want to talk about bone smashing.
I think it's just because it's like you hear it and it's so crazy.
But that's not even really like one of the main things that.
I would advocate for or promote, or that really give people the most results.
It's one of the methods that I talk about, but it's just what gets brought up the most frequently in interviews.
HGH Side Effects00:05:31
If you ask me seriously, I mean, what's the best way to look, Max?
I would tell you about leanness.
I wouldn't tell you about bone smashing.
Gotcha.
So staying low weight.
Yeah, staying extremely low body fat.
What are some of the easiest ways to do that besides just creating a caloric deficit?
Well, being in a GLP 1 will help you maintain that deficit a lot easier, right?
Because it's going to deal with a lot of hunger signaling.
So, throughout the day, when you're on a cut and trying to maintain your deficit, you're not just going to be constantly thinking about food.
So, that's really helpful.
What do you think about Ozempic?
That is a GLP1 agonist.
That's what we're talking about.
It works by just agonizing the one receptor on like Reta and Trzepatide, which hit multiple receptors.
So, this just slows kind of your gastric emptying and like almost nauseates you in a way so that you are unable to eat through that.
But Reta is a little bit more.
Like, you know, meticulous, I guess you can call it.
So, if I'm 202 right now and I want to be 185, what's the fastest way to get there in 30 days?
Well, the fastest way is to be eating as little food as possible.
Just straight up starve yourself.
Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend that you do that.
What do you think is the ideal caloric ingestion amount per day?
Like 300 to 500 calorie deficit.
I don't really think going beyond that is advisable ever, especially if you're someone who's going through puberty.
Like, if you're restricting your micro and macronutrient intake during that, Critical developmental period, you're doing yourself a huge disservice.
You mentioned puberty and that developmental period.
That's also right around the time that you got into all these communities.
Right.
How was that experience for you?
Because it's a strange experience as a young dude to go from being basically like a kid to a little baby man.
Well, you have the most control over your body while all those growth pathways are still open, right?
So you're.
Do you know what, Doug MP?
I'm kind of black pilled about side effects because a lot of the stuff they said there'd be bad side effects for 10 years ago, in all honesty, Yes, like the internet will show you extreme cases.
Most of the girls I knew that got things done 10 years ago, they're fine.
I think people have this revenge fantasy where they want to think that anybody that cheats or cuts corners, like it'll catch up to them.
I mean, I think people, when they get off Ozempic, they might gain it back if they don't change anything.
But is it really going to kill people any more than like, I mean, Like me eating a bunch of granola bars is, I don't think so.
Like, are there going to be some people that take L's?
Yeah, but I just know too many people that have taken TRT or have taken like kind of shortcuts and they're fine.
But I think there's like a part of you when you don't cut corners that like wants to believe they won't be.
This is just my experience.
I understand.
Maybe you guys put in the chat if you've had different experiences or in the comments after the show.
But like, overwhelmingly, I think people like a lot of times the shortcuts are like fine.
Yeah, you had to get the Vax to keep your day job.
Yeah, and I was, I have it too, and I was fine.
Literally felt fine.
But the thing is, like, remember, the internet's for women and women are neurotic.
So women always think everything's going to kill them and go wrong.
That's why, like, which is kind of weird with our life choices.
But, like, women are neurotic.
So a lot of times, like, all that, do you know what I mean?
Like, even, like, I know girls that got filler and everyone's like, oh, bit, like, I personally have never had filler.
I'm not above it.
I'm not saying I won't ever get it.
Right.
But just at this point in my life, I've never gotten it.
I know enough women that have got it like 10 years ago, and everyone's like, Oh, they look weird, their face migrates, or whatever.
And I'm like, Um, most of the girls that I got it that got it were fine.
Like the girls that look weird are like addicted to getting it, but I'm going to be honest, most of the women that have had it, you wouldn't really tell.
I haven't, I'm not above it.
Um, same thing with like TRT, there's a lot of guys that go on it for like a year to gain the muscle and then stop, and they're fine.
Um, I'm sure there are side effects for some people, but yeah, there's a lot of people that are fine.
Like, your growth plates remain unfused.
So you can really do a lot with something like an aromatase inhibitor to prevent this process.
Well, not prevent, slow it down as much as possible.
Because estrogen is actually what causes you to stop growing.
That's why boys are taller than girls, right?
So we're blocking our testosterone from converting into estradiol.
And that allows us to have that longer growth period.
And you can combine that with other mechanisms like taking HGH, and you'll get a lot taller than you otherwise would.
Are you concerned about any adverse health effects?
Oh, yeah, certainly.
I mean, if you go about like an HGH improperly, you could deal with potentially becoming diabetic, right?
So if you're pinning GH and then spamming a shit ton of carbs, that's horrible for your blood glucose levels.
Or if you're taking a huge amount of aromatase inhibitors, That could lead to ED, that could potentially be neurotoxic, give you mood swings.
Meeting High Status People00:15:36
So, yeah, you really need to be extremely well researched when doing this stuff.
That's why I'm very careful about when I talk about these kinds of things because I want to be as comprehensive as possible to not leave any nuance on the table and try to clarify as much as possible.
Right.
Because you don't want to mince words, then someone gets hurt or something.
Because if someone asks you, you know, how do I get taller?
And you just tell them, take HGH and aromatase and hibber.
They go out and do that, and then they don't know about the thing about carbohydrates, and they don't know that they could have these issues with flattening their E with their mood and their libido.
They could really cause themselves a good amount of harm.
You have to explain every single thing, you have to make sure the person truly knows what they're doing before they decide to indulge on any of these pharmaceuticals.
So, I would say, in a funny way, like a lot more people will actually end up.
Detrimenting themselves because people these days are lazy.
They don't want to research.
They don't want to actually do things properly, you know, take the steps that are actually necessary to have success.
Yeah.
So it's really just about that.
I think people are scared to make friends now, too.
Screen time's at an all time high.
People aren't really going out.
Community's kind of in collapse.
Less people have real friends.
I don't know the relevance of that.
What do you mean?
What's the relevance of that?
What's the relevance of that?
What you were just talking about?
Not at all.
Oh my God, he's so annoyed with these interviewers that are so lazy.
It's like we have the easiest job in the world, and we're still so lazy.
Here's a problem a guy like this is going to be covering so many stories.
He's just not going to be able to do a good job with every single one if he's interviewing all these different types of people.
Into ascend and finding your place in the world, SMV.
I was just talking about pharmacology.
Oh, yeah, but I'm kind of getting into your whole goal.
Your goal is to help people ascend, right?
Yeah, but I mean, like, what's the value there?
I mean, in engaging with people in real life?
Yeah, I mean, there's really not that many people that are worth interacting with, I would say.
What do you mean?
Oh my God, that's like the truest thing I've ever heard.
Like, most people are extremely jester.
Like, they're funny, or like they're just like, just have completely misprioritized lives.
I would say the average person that you meet who's like an enjoyer of sports, who drinks beer, for example, you know, let's go have a beer at the pub and watch Sunday football.
Like, that's.
The worst thing that you could do.
Like, you should be on PubMed reading various different studies on how you could look smacks.
You don't think there's any value in like social media?
You should be online looking at how you should look smacks.
Oh my God, that is so funny.
Interactions with people?
I wouldn't say people in general.
I'd say that there's certain people that you could certainly learn from, but the average person that you encounter.
Is literally like Lidar watching like a baseball game.
So you think most of humanity is sort of like enslaved to these consumer habits that prevent them from ascending?
Yeah, I would say that's correct.
And you think that certain stuff like sports, drugs, alcohol, all that stuff is like ways to keep people contained and like kind of prevent them from becoming their true elevated selves?
I would say that it's certainly misused, right?
So like people will just drink alcohol.
For no reason at all, it seems like let's go have a drink.
When, uh, if you were actually smart, you would realize the purpose of alcohol is to lower your inhibitions to talk to girls.
Uh, so that's the only time in which it makes sense to leverage such a toxic drug like ethanol.
Is the purpose of look-smaxing to raise your aesthetic value to also impress and talk to girls as well?
Yeah.
I can tell this guy's married or been in a long-term relationship that's cucked him forever.
But I, Don't like when people put too much focus on getting girls as the reason that they look max because chasing tail is really not going to get you anywhere.
You could become the most successful Slayer and have the best game ever, sleep with a different girl every night, but your life will really not change in a lot of regards.
It'll get worse.
And that's something I experienced it's a mega waste of time.
Just talking to girls, going out on dates, and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I do content.
So it's like, it's one thing where, but like, I was talking about this on my stream the other day.
Say you were to do like a bowling date with a girl and you weren't streaming it.
Like, that's just the most ridiculous.
What about like connecting with her because like you like her or something like that?
You know, like maybe you want to start a family.
This is like millennial versus Gen Z men.
Millennial men tend to be super simps, except at the tail end, where Gen Z men kind of see how stupid millennial men are.
Not all of you, some of you guys are built different, but a lot, enough, right?
And they're like, I'm not going to do that.
No, thank you.
But where's the ROI in that?
What's that?
Like, where's the ROI?
Sorry, what's ROI?
Return on investment.
I mean, maybe you have kids and you can mold your kid into like a Tiger Woods type, like, ill, like, Lil's.
Golf player, or something, and then he could provide for you.
So when you get old, the kids like don't they don't belong to the men, so you have no control over that.
You don't got to get to go to a nursing home and he can like make sure you're taken care of, just leech off uh, your kid, like you know, like you want when you people put the kids on the tick tock live, like I get what you know what I mean, like that's just comical.
So the main goal of looks maxing is not to get girls, it's to feel good about yourself, no, it's just to be successful in general.
It's not about feeling good, it's about real results, and this is a completely objective thing.
This isn't my opinion, and it.
It never has just been a subjective thing.
It's very, very well researched that in interviews, there's a huge bias towards good looking people.
And dating, obviously, a huge bias towards good looking people.
So, objectively, you could hate me as a content creator, but realize the value and what I'm talking about.
So, the goal when you say success, you mean mostly?
Yeah, and that's just accurate.
You know what I mean?
Good looking people.
I mean, you ever see an ugly guy approach women?
Use the same line, say it in the same way as the Hawkeye.
And then the Hawkeye goes in and, like, and the girls just laugh at all his jokes.
And he's not even funny.
Financial and economic?
Well, really anything.
It's hard for me to think of something where looks wouldn't benefit you.
I mean, in your industry, you know, you're a content creator, you're streaming all the time.
You think that if you were not physically good looking, you wouldn't have as much success?
No, I wouldn't at all.
Even if you were like a genius, like Beethoven level creative, but you were busted, you don't think you'd pop up?
Well, that's the thing.
So now you have to be so, so well off in another category to compensate for your lack of looks that you have to be.
Because we're in the woman's world.
And if we were in a man's world, things would be.
Oh my God.
Things would be based on competence.
But we're in a woman's world.
So it's on popularity and looks.
A Beethoven level player in order to compete with a guy who's, you know, just like.
You know, mogging and going to the club, you know, so that's why it really gives people a huge advantage in life to have looks on their side.
Yeah, I think that's definitely true.
But you don't think there's any value in like having a girlfriend that you like or an in person community to like meet your essential needs and find belonging?
Well, I'm just a little bit like weird.
Like, I don't know.
It's hard for me to enjoy some of the same activities that normal people do, but it doesn't really matter because that's just like my personal anecdote.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Right.
Growing up, what did you enjoy doing the most before all this stuff?
I mean, I would just mostly like Lidar on my PC.
Like, I was reading.
What kind of stuff were you reading?
I was reading different forum posts, different studies.
I like how, because the interview was trying to make him look weird and like awkward and autistic.
And he just says it.
He's like, Yeah, I am weird.
I don't really like to socialize.
I don't see most people as worth interacting with.
And yes, I was on the computer for most of my childhood.
And so the interviewer can't even like use that against him?
Just whatever research you can think of.
About looks maxing and developing your aesthetic.
Looks maxing, bodybuilding, all that kind of stuff.
Were you unhappy with how you looked at the time?
Yeah, of course.
What were some of the things that you immediately wanted to improve right off the bat?
My muscle mass was probably one of the bigger ones.
I didn't really have much of a presence.
I was quite skinny.
So I was like a little bit lanky because I grew pretty early.
So I was a lanklet, yeah.
Do you think that affected your social life?
Yeah, I would say.
I'd say so.
In what way?
Well, obviously, people are going to be more.
You know, they're like pathologizing him.
It's like he's trying to do like a victim or like, and Clav, he doesn't like this because he likes it when they ask him more technical questions.
Or drawn to you if you're good looking.
And I would say that, you know, growing up, especially during puberty, early into high school, I really wasn't.
So it's just, it is what it is.
So you feel like you had a harder time making friends?
Yeah, but I would attribute most of it to sort of my brain chemistry and like a lot of the.
Maybe differences in activities I enjoy more so than looks.
You know, so I definitely attribute it to that.
Did you experience any kind of like social anxiety during that time?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I still do.
Yeah.
I get pretty anxious.
Just meeting new people?
It really just depends on the scenario.
I would say that meeting new people who have like a higher status is usually something that I get a little bit anxious about because you don't want to like.
You know, blow it or whatever.
Make a bad impression.
Yeah, but like if I'm just going to a club, for example, like my impression doesn't really matter that much because a lot of the time it's just like random people in college.
Did you find that engaging with people online as opposed to in real life helped kind of ease some of that social anxiety because you didn't have to deal with so much like in person immediacy?
Yeah, like Discord maxing was probably one of the.
Discord maxing.
Oh, Gen Z is so funny.
The better things to do because you could actually find like people who have the same interests as you, and you're never going to encounter people with the same niche interests like looks maxing, like you will on internet forums.
Did you ever actually meet up with any people from the forums in real life?
Yeah, actually, two people in this house I met through looksmax.org.
And that word is like an old 4chan word, right?
Like maxing and like.
I disagree.
Nuke and I have had this debate because he would always say, like, Online isn't real life.
And I'm like, it kind of is.
Like, half of my friends the last few years I made through online communities.
And honestly, I'm like, some of them were better friends than I meet in the real world.
And I'm just like, because I've really tried both, and there's pros and cons.
I could really speak on this because I've done real world maxing and online maxing.
And I got to be honest, when you online max, everything's just more efficient.
Like, if you're single and you online did, you just get right to it.
Now, the con is that a lot of times, if you online max, you are not social skills maxing.
So, a lot of times, you're missing basic social skills.
There's pros and cons.
The amount of time it would take me to find a room where I could shit talk the way I do to my chat would take me forever.
I'd have to curate it.
Then the women would crash out later.
I don't know.
I like to hobby max.
And if I happen to make a friend along the way, it just seems to be.
I remember having this thought like in my mid 20s when a lot of my old friends from school, one, I found it harder to date and make friends in real life, but I was afraid to like online date.
Like I would have an app and I would go on dates, but I'd be afraid to like go further.
I don't know why in my head it was like, oh no, it's online, but it was stupid, whatever.
But I remember thinking, but like, what other way is there?
Like the amount of time you have to go out.
Like, imagine if you ask someone out in your hobby community.
Like, there might be one or two people that you could ask out, but it's like, are they even single?
And then you have to go for so long before.
Or you just cut right to if you're a girl, you kind of can just start asking people out, but then you get the reputation of that.
Like, because any guy that gets asked out by a girl, he's going to tell everybody now you're the girl that you know, what if he says no?
You keep going now.
What if he says no?
That you know, this is the things I think about.
So it's like when you online, Max, it just gets right to the point.
Like, you just so I see like.
I see why people go online because a lot of times it's just quicker, faster, more efficient.
Like as an abbreviate.
It's on 4chan, but it didn't.
And you fight mental health issues because it's not really good for people to be online that much.
So there's pros and cons.
Pros and cons originate from them.
Do you know where the actual word first came from?
Like PSL websites.
The umbrella term PSL refers to the three most popular message boards in the incel sphere PUA or pickupartisthate.com.
Hate.com and lookism.net on these three sites, a shared ranking scale was developed called the Oh, wow!
Chad, Chad Light.
Oh, no way!
High tier normie.
What they got Ryan Gosling as a mid tier.
Oh, 50th to 15.
Okay, I could see him being like 20% as opposed to or like 17.
Okay, so this is oh.
Mid tier 50th to 15th.
Low tier normie.
Okay.
I kind of agree with you.
ESL scale, which ranks men from Terra Chad and Giga Chad all the way down to subhuman.
Oh, wait.
The Chad Scale00:06:05
Hold on.
I want to go back.
Oh, my God.
Oh, that's interesting.
Oh.
Interesting.
Okay, I've seen these terms everywhere, but I didn't know what they meant.
The PSL.
What's my PSL?
I think I'm a mid.
I mean, I think I'm almost a sub five, but not quite.
I think in a few years, I'll be sub five.
And Giga Chad, all the way down to subhuman.
It's just three forums, like the names of three old forums.
One of them is Pickup Artist Hate, right?
You don't like pickup artists?
It's not really that I don't like pickup artists.
It's just I don't like the fact that they don't give you the key piece of nuance that.
If you learn all this game and do cold approaching, but you're not good looking, it's not going to work.
So there are some.
I've met the PUAs.
Not all of them are good looking.
But I think I would say they're all of the people that do it are over a certain level.
But none of them are like the lowest one, but not of all of them.
Some of them are like normal looking.
And like psychological tactics that you can utilize to be better at approaching women, conversational tactics, whatever the case may be.
But they're going to have different success rates based on different looks levels.
So, you think that even if someone had every word of the Neil Strauss book, The Game, memorized and they were like super busted, they could approach a Stacey and get totally Lenard, like brutalized almost.
Like, women are brutal as fuck these days with rejecting people, I think is one thing that I don't really like.
Sometimes the dude will, in a bar, literally just like go up and call a girl pretty, like no creepiness to it, no like, Overly like touchy or whatever, and like she'll start like screaming, like just to embarrass the dude and like brutalize him.
What do you think causes that impulse?
Well, I mean, I think it's just that they feel disrespected that someone that lower in percentiles got you.
Feels that they could somehow enter like a relationship with them.
It's sensible to a degree.
You know, how could you actually think that this approach would work out?
But I don't really think that there's a reason for them to like just go out of the way to like be brutal on an underlying level.
What do you think is causing that just like hostility?
Do you think it's like the way culture has shaped it?
It's not really like hostile a lot of the times.
I think they just kind of also think it's like funny because they'll post it on like social media after of like dudes hitting on them and to like embarrass them basically.
Yeah.
What did you think about the whole Nautica Malone situation?
What is that?
That was the guneral, gunicide.
You know, the guy at the Bikini Beans in Tempe, Arizona, who went through and he had, like, supposedly no pants on, and they posted a video of him and he took his own life the next day.
You're familiar with that story?
I'm not.
No.
You're going to have to fill me in.
We just made a documentary about a vigil they did for him.
Here's a preview of that upcoming documentary.
Good.
Have you been here before?
Yeah.
Sir, you need to leave.
Unacceptable.
Unacceptable.
Police say a man took his own life after getting caught.
Committing a sex crime in the drive through of a coffee shop.
Say his name, Nautica!
Say his name, Nautica!
Nautica's death is bigger than 9 11.
This was a recurring incident that all the girls were aware of.
You killed that man.
Nautica was a gooner.
He's left behind by his wife and two kids.
Do you think they consider him a goon lord?
I think they view him as a loving father that did a radical thing.
I want to be just like my father.
He was a gooner himself.
You know, he did it.
He was a gooner himself.
In that parking spot.
No shit.
That was messed up.
I analyzed that video over 1,000 times.
That man had pants on.
Have you ever exposed yourself in a drive through?
I don't think he had pants on.
No, but I probably will in my future.
You killed that man!
You killed that man!
Acting like it's a joke is damaging for everyone involved.
The spirit of the Gooner was really all around us.
I can't go!
This is what I mean.
Gen Z better different, man.
I can't go!
I can't go!
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All right, back to Clav.
Okay, well, like he was fully naked with his.
No, no, no.
He has a shirt on, but his phallus, let's just say, is showing to the workers.
According to the workers, there was phallus.
According to Nautica Malone supporters, he had very short shorts on.
I honestly.
Believe that the workers in that case, like, I mean, I don't really think that anyone should take their own lives, but there's a clear difference there between showing your genitalia and being clothed, even if it's promiscuous, even if it's degenerate.
And I could call that out too, but like, that's just straight up a sexual harassment to just like go somewhere with your genitalia out.
So I'm not gonna obviously side with that one.
So you think it's a little bit fried that people are showing up to do a vigil for his?
Passing?
I would say so.
I think that they're certainly right that there is a lot of.
He really hasn't asked him much about looks, Matt.
Scenarios like in the gym when we'd see girls like record their sets and like a guy would like look for a second and then they would like try to ruin their lives.
Do you need something?
Do you need something?
Okay, I thought so.
Like, yeah, that is horrible, right?
So that shouldn't occur.
But like someone pulling up to a restaurant naked, it's like that just kind of ruins all the optics of everything if you're kind of like.
Make this part of the argument.
You know what I'm saying?
So, back to rejection in general, there's something they call the Gen Z sex recession.
It's an alcohol recession, too.
Sounds like you might think it's kind of a good thing, but right now, there's less people ever, like in the past 50 years.
That are going out.
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Why would I think that's a good thing?
Because you mentioned that alcohol is like a slop of the masses and the dating is a waste of time.
Well, no, I just said the exposure should be limited, right?
So, like, if you're someone who just has a drink before going to bed or has a drink when they go out to lunch with their buddies, it's like, okay, you are just causing, you know, oxidative stress to your body for literally no reason.
Because the way that I think about it is, you know, being super results driven, right?
So, like, actually being able to talk to girls, potentially, like, you know, get a girl to go home with you.
Like, that's an example of okay, maybe the oxidative stress could be justified because you got the success of you know slaying a girl, for example.
You know, that's kind of like a meaningless pursuit, and that's a whole nother, uh, huge philosophical argument.
But, uh, just for the purpose of this interview, that would be like one example where it kind of makes a little bit more sense.
But I don't really think that people should be drinking and doing drugs recreationally for the most part, and I know that would appear super hypocritical because I do it a good amount, it's just Something that I utilize for my work, for my content, because I can't really like function around people too well or be super entertaining in my sober state.
What drugs do you find help you the most?
Pregabalin, stimulants, I'd say.
Yeah, so just drugs that keep you up basically, make it easier to talk to people and do your job.
Pregabalin is a little different, it blocks certain neurotransmitters that are excitatory, right?
So your glutamate, and that causes social anxiety.
Right?
By blocking that.
I want to take that one.
A neurotransmitter, while the drug's half life is active, now you're like in a low inhibition state for, you know, the six to eight hours.
You don't got to talk about this if you don't want, but have you ever used like methamphetamine?
Yeah, no, I've used methamphetamine.
Do you know what Adderall is?
Pretty close chemically to meth.
Right, yeah, so it's dexamphetamine.
I was just thinking dextromethamphetamine.
You think meth kind of gets a bad rap?
No, I don't.
I don't at all because it's different isomers that are cooked up by like literal biker gang retards, not.
Actual pharmacies that are like, you know, giving you like a Dysoxin script.
So it's totally different.
Like, people just smoking like street meth is like, that's horrible.
And I don't really think that anyone should use stimulants ever, but there's a difference between like the meth that people think about from like Breaking Bad and actual like prescription Dysoxin.
So if you did have the Heisenberg 99.8% pure, you think that it would come with less adverse effects than what you say is retard biker myth?
Yeah, I mean, but it's just about dosing at the end of the day because.
There's a lot of dopamine toxicity that you could get because of how easy it is to abuse the drug.
It's super addictive, and there's no doctor controlling the amount that's prescribed to you because you're buying it from drug dealers, obviously.
So people aren't able to control their dose protocol.
They're doing hundreds of milligrams sometimes and causing a fuck ton of neurotoxicity.
That's why I think meth is something that should never really be.
Done.
I just share my experiences because I stream so much that if I tried to hide anything, it would just come out anyway.
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I began blowing up on social media and I wanted to ascend in a very short timeframe.
So I was meth maxing to lean out as much as possible in a short duration of time.
What was your preferred meth dosage when you're meth maxing?
Usually around like 10 milligrams.
Would that be like a line?
Well, yeah, more or less, or you could take it orally.
But like when people hear, Like methamphetamine, they assume it's like a guy smoking out of a pipe.
But 10 milligrams of methamphetamine is quite similar to the average Adderall prescription.
It kind of reminds me.
Yeah.
Has made that conversation about like lean.
I don't care about these drugs.
Versus heroin.
How it was normalized to like sip lean, but then it was, you know, people would get shades right at them for doing Oxycontin or heroin, but it's so chemically similar.
Yeah.
Like all these interviewers are just trying to label him as an incel who does drugs.
And the same thing with Adderall and Mitchell.
Like with mommy issues or some bullshit.
I know what I'm doing is really not like, not trying to like justify my usage or anything because I stopped doing it.
Like it's quite terrible, but that nuance was never something that was included in the headlines because like math maxing sounds so funny that it's like a headline.
It was.
A lot different than people really could imagine.
Oh, hey, what's up, guys?
I didn't see you there.
I wanted weird implications behind him for like having a good article from a leftist media company where it's like, I'm not a political figure.
So it's like, that's pretty sensible.
How was your experience working with Elena?
Elena's great.
I think she's a very nice girl.
I'm glad we got to do that collaboration because that was like one of the key things talked about in Looks Maxing is like a lot of the male models, like the PSL gods, is what it's like.
Referred to not to be like, obviously, what's the word for it?
I know that's against the Ten Commandments or whatever.
Sinful.
Yeah, not to be sinful or whatever.
That's just how it's referred to on internet forums.
Obviously, idolization of people is not good.
But yeah, that's like kind of a meme in the community.
So actually, like walking on the runway was kind of mog.
And it's like, okay, now you started on the forums.
Now you're like one of the people that the forum was talking about.
So it was a cool, like full circle moment for you?
Yeah, a little bit.
I guess you could say that.
Was that like the moment you think you're most proud of?
There's been a lot.
It's kind of just like a steady up and up so far that there's like a lot of, but that was certainly like one specific event that was, you know, that's a big one.
What's like one event?
Okay.
Can we go a little further?
When does he walk off?
A segment that comes about late in the night and then you're up till six, seven in the morning.
Then the next day is cooked.
And then, you know, you try to reset your sleep schedule.
You can't fall asleep.
So that sort of thing has been quite exhausting.
What have been some of your favorite moments from the, you see yourself as potentially helping people like that?
Yeah, like that's the best way to escape.
Nothing to do with looks maxing, really.
Because the entire idea of looks maxing.
Do you agree with that?
It's more so a society of men who are really not that well off in a lot of regards.
In what sense?
Like, what do you think are the main things that men are suffering from in 2026?
Economic struggle, lack of success in the dating market, hypergamy, stuff like that.
But your idea is to sort of withdraw from the dating market to an extent and pursue self improvement in a way to ascend in a way that doesn't fall in last place.
I think you're going to be wasting your time entering the dating market until you.
Are maximized in career and aesthetic and every metric.
Yeah, really.
I know you hate talking about politics, and the last thing I want to do is trap you in a politics rabbit hole.
But you mentioned that looks maxing isn't political.
There is an association in the press with looks maxing and the sort of right wing manosphere.
Do you agree with that?
It's more so just the fact that I've collaborated with like people who say like edgy things.
So that's my brand.
It's like I really don't care.
Like I'm really not trying to be like PR or whatever.
It would just be just too much work, really.
So yeah, yeah.
That's why I guess they've tried to do that, but.
In terms of my actual political ideology and whether or not looks maxing has any political implications, it doesn't.
So, and looks maxing is bigger than myself, right?
So, even if I were to hypothetically be right or left wing, it wouldn't change the fact that looks maxing is apolitical.
What does the S and PSL stand for?
Sledhate.com.
That's a pretty intense word, right?
Yeah, I would say so.
You don't think that veers towards sort of like an anti woman vibe?
Well, that's not really a looks maxing forum, but it's in the greater orbit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, there's also like the owner of looksmax.org also hosts like the incel forum.
It's like, you know what I mean?
And there's plenty of hateful rhetoric on there.
I actually know who that is.
I've seen him on Twitter.
But that doesn't change the fact that looks maxing as an action is apolitical.
You know, even if there's like people.
Yeah.
Cause they're just trying to improve themselves.
It's not political.
It's just how do I look better?
On forums who have had a lack of success with women who suddenly turn hateful.
It's like.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with looks maxing, really.
Because the entire idea of looks maxing is to disassociate with incel dumb, is to escape that.
Oh, wow.
That was a pretty good transformation.
But there is a pipeline like an incel can ascend through looks maxing and get out of a situation.
I think that the word incel has been largely misused.
So let's clarify.
This is what I was saying earlier.
Like, how long do you have to be sexless?
And like, what if a guy's an incel or quote unquote sexless, and then later.
He gets over it.
Was he always an incel?
What that actually is incels is commonly referred to by the media as just people who hate women on internet forums, when in actuality, it's someone who's involuntarily celibate and can't get women.
And it is true, a lot of those people become extremely resentful and become extremely hateful.
And that's an unfortunate thing because that's really not productive in any regard, is it?
You know, I don't support that.
Obviously, I would say it's ridiculous to sit there all day writing up like.
Hate posts on a forum.
I'm saying the way to actually fix your life is to look smacks and not, you know, be hateful against, you know, women because you can't have any success with them.
You see yourself as potentially helping people like that.
Yeah.
Like that's the best way to escape that sort of thing is actually by look smacks.
Have you heard any success stories from your supporters who started off incels and are now killing shit after your protocol?
Yeah, of course.
I mean, that's the main way that people can escape that mentality.
And does that make you feel gratified that you were able to help younger dudes?
Yeah, of course.
I mean, the.
Brow ridge, cut out skincare, tongue hold, thumb pull.
Has anyone thumb pulled?
More people who could have success from looks maxing and kind of just.
Whoa, that's so different.
It proves me right.
So I don't.
Seems like they have a decent.
I don't want to think about it necessarily from an egotistical perspective.
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It feels good because I'm still not that far out of it, right?
So I was that guy not too long ago.
So.
It's kind of crazy, the before and after.
It's kind of nice.
I still can put myself in their shoes and empathize with having a bad job, like working in a restaurant, being unattractive, not being able to get girls.
It's not like I'm 40 years old with a long and successful media career.
I just started doing this.
And yeah, maybe I'm successful now and my life is a little bit different than it was, but it's not completely out of my hindsight.
As far as the mechanics of like, The stuff you do here, like how much do you stream?
Like how many hours per day this month are you streaming?
Well, we're streaming 247 for the whole marathon.
Holy shit.
Is that exhausting for you?
Yeah, it's been quite brutal so far.
In what sense?
Just like lack of sleep.
Because, you know, sometimes we'll have a segment that comes about late in the night and then you're up till six, seven in the morning.
Then the next day is cooked.
And then, you know, if you get when I was in 2023, I barely slept.
You try to reset your sleep schedule, you can't fall asleep.
So that sort of thing has been.
Quite exhausting.
What have been some of your favorite moments from the stream so far this month?
Favorite moments from the stream, we did a couple collabs, like Blueface was a really exciting one because that was someone we were listening to throughout the come up of.
My streaming career.
I didn't know you were a rap fan.
Yeah, I like all sorts of music.
And then we collabed with Ryan Garcia also, same day.
So it was pretty cool to see that.
It's always just funny when you see people in real life that you've only seen on like a TV growing up.
As far as your clipping and distribution style, who are your influences in that regard?
In terms of the clipping, that's not something that we really have any control over.
Like in a lot of the clips actually make me look like quite Jester because it's paid, By kick, or just a community of people on like a CPM basis.
We can't like tell the clippers, like, oh, like this moment was really good.
A lot of times they'll like AI my face with like goofy filters and shit.
And like, for example, I was working out not too long ago and they like edited it till the end of my set and they were like, he only gets two reps with this weight or whatever.
The clipping is great and it really does help push you out there.
Like, I was number one in clipping views.
A lot of reporters fall for like clipping memes.
Like, a reporter called me yesterday asking about like the Chad ranking thing or whatever.
I don't know if you've seen that on Twitter.
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No, what is that?
Oh my God, I have beef with the Chad rankings because my ranking, Bruce Jenner outranked me or Caitlyn Jenner got a higher mogging score.
I'm like, I don't believe in this mog off, you know.
Yeah, exactly.
It's just some stupid Twitter meme, but they think it's actually part of the movement sometimes.
Did you expect that the frame mogging ASU frat leader clip would go as viral as it did?
No, not really.
But I never really predict what's going to go viral.
Do you orchestrate some of these moments or do they occur naturally?
They occur naturally, just you in the field.
Yeah, I mean, we just stream so many hours that crazy shit is just bound to happen with the environments that we're going into.
One thing that I've seen to be a major point of debate and contention is the whole body count.
What do you think is the ideal body count?
Well, for who?
Let's start with for dudes, for guys like us.
I don't really think that there's an ideal.
I think that the argument that a lot of red pillars and people in the manosphere give is like getting this amount of bodies so that you're able to understand female nature and this, that, and the other thing, when that's really not.
God, he's barely asked him about looks maxing.
I think we're going to go a little further where he walks off.
Not universal.
Like, you could just encounter all of these different studies that I'm referencing from like online dating apps, or, you know, we're going to have a much easier time and you're going to be a lot better off.
So, yeah, that is a hard thing for me to try to conceptualize and give a recommendation on because I think I'm a lot different than the normal person in terms of like what I enjoy, activities I like to do.
So, Yeah, that's why it might be like a little bit confusing because I'm like leaving that part of the equation out of it.
Yeah.
It's because I don't know.
You're you, I'm me.
And, you know, we get to this spot of being maxed out in as many metrics as possible.
And then we take it from there.
Has anybody reached full ascension?
Ascending is kind of like an ongoing process.
Like, is there any tens out there?
Like people who have no, really?
No.
Will there ever be a sort of messiah?
Not with.
Yeah, because you always get older and uglier.
The technology we have now.
Oh, the methods.
Like, it would have to improve to the point where, like, Like, scientific evolution would precede that.
Yeah, more so like just surgical intervention.
Who knows?
So, I'm really not going to predict what sort of science is going to come in the future.
How did you feel about the whole like Miami club controversy a few months ago?
The controversy I'm referring to is how many people, including controversies and the things they get wrong.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I'd say that that would be something that they get wrong, that, you know, I'm political.
So, when you were with those guys, you didn't know it was going to happen?
No.
No.
I mean, no one really intended on that.
Like, I didn't play it.
It's just like, Kind of interesting how that keeps getting brought back.
It really kind of died off.
Yeah, I mean, we don't even need to talk about it.
I was just wondering if you had any closing commentary on it or anything reflective you had to say about it.
I had nothing to do with it in general.
What's your 10 year plan?
Do you think that far ahead?
No, it's actually talking to uh, one of my buddies the other day.
Like, the goalposts is always, and this in 2026, you can't plan ahead because odds are your is going to leave you, your guy's going to cheat.
I mean, we've all been hurt, you know what I mean?
The AI will take your job, you just got to take it a day at a time moving.
So, it would be ridiculous to set a goal for yourself.
Do you have a dream collaboration?
I mean, there's a lot of people who I'd like to collaborate with, some bigger media personalities.
I mean, having as many like press appearances as possible is always a good thing because it allows you to talk to new audiences, right?
You're targeting a little bit older of a demographic within Gen Z. Our demographic is basically the latest Gen Z.
So, like, the average Channel 5 viewer is a 27 year old American man, whereas I'm like more 18 to 24.
That's good.
I think it's super interesting too, like, the volume of content they seem to appreciate.
They like, Content filmed over a long period of time, like eight hours of content straight, and they want it live.
Whereas our audience prefers a more polished, maybe 15 minute piece that's like a bunch of footage edited perfectly and have with like a narrative arc and a through line.
Yeah, I think there's all sorts of media that people enjoy, but I think the main Part of streaming that people enjoy is just like not knowing what's going to happen next.
It sort of seems like in a lot of my streams, like things can take a turn for the worst, the best.
Like you really don't know what to expect.
I don't know what to expect.
Because, yeah, because you're filming so much stuff, it's like a lot of things can happen.
Is there any moments you regret from streaming?
Not really, because we're here now.
So even the losses you took on the way were all part of the hustle and the journey.
Yeah, because you learn, like maybe that's not a good idea to do that.
From a security standpoint, how do you stop stream snipers from ruining your stream?
I'm not going to talk about that.
Okay.
Just because you want people to know what your protocol is?
Correct.
We're trying to think what else I should ask about.
It's tough because I don't want to put you in any boxes, but I'm sure there's people that probably want to know about various controversies.
If you don't want to talk about any of this, cool.
I mean, more so like to talk about like Luxmaxing in my interviews.
And it's like.
You barely talked about it.
Kind of annoying because no interviewer has actually come up with a question ever that's been more than what would be the number one piece of advice you would recommend people to Luxmax?
I've genuinely never had a single person.
Ask me specifics about how these two things interact or how looks maxing differ from this age to this age?
Is it still possible to look max?
Like, there's no effort really behind the questions that you guys prepare, seemingly.
It just seems to be a lot of like gotcha mode, like clip farm shit.
I'm not doing that.
Yeah, you are a little bit to a degree.
I don't think so.
I think when you see the full presentation, it's not really going to be edited.
Yeah, because he keeps like asking about controversies and you know that'll get the clicks.
Like, I know how it's done, but.
Like, come on.
They did, or clipped in much more.
Well, just because it's not the worst interview I've had.
I mean, like, you had like a couple of ones that you were trying to sneak in with, like, oh, what is like, what is slut hate?
It's like.
Yeah, I mean, it's the second letter in the.
But I mean, like, you know what you're intentionally trying to do.
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out because it's a pretty strongly worded forum and subculture.
Yeah, and that would be fine if that question was in there because it's decently relevant to the culture, but there was not even a single genuine attempt at, like, A specific looks max question.
Well, I'm not in the looks maxing community.
I'm trying to learn about it.
Not everyone talking to you is going to be a niche person who knows.
Nope, he just didn't do a good job.
And it's hard to in his position because he's interviewing so many different types of people.
I don't know the output schedule they have him on.
But the thing is, the demand for content is so much quality, quantity nowadays that it's very tough to keep high quality.
But all the methods.
Yeah, I know you're not in the looks maxing community, but you didn't even ask a looks maxing question at all.
You don't need to be in the looks maxing community to ask a looks maxing question.
I think we've been talking about looks maxing this whole time.
We've been talking about the philosophy behind it.
You want me to ask you a scientific question about looks maxing?
I just think it's kind of funny how that's really never been done with the amount of media appearances.
Maybe people don't want to be asked that.
Well, now they will.
Well, that's quite literally what your companies, your press companies.
What do you mean your companies?
You think I work for like Time Warner or something?
Your press companies.
You work for Channel 5?
It's a YouTube channel called Channel 5.
I'm not sure.
I'm the CEO of my own company.
I don't have any agenda at play here.
Holy semantics, dude.
It's a pretty big difference between working.
He's like a woman.
He's gaslighting.
For an affiliate news station like Channel 5, the TV company.
Well, the fact of the matter is, you guys specifically reach out.
We want to interview him about looks maxing.
And then you'll start asking, like, Political questions, and I'm just like, okay, like I don't mind it, you know what I mean?
I'm not really afraid to answer anything, you know.
I've gone through every single question of yours besides the one about my security, which is a little bit weird, but um, yeah, not a single attempt at anything in regards to looks max.
Okay, what's a question I should ask?
Well, that's up to you.
It's like, what am I gonna tell you how to do your job?
You tell me you want me to ask you about specific scientific, and millennial men are used to like kind of pussy men, so they kind of are used to the get along to go along.
Gen Z men don't care.
They've seen too many millennial men get run over.
They do not care.
They're built different.
It's about different look-smaxing methods.
Well, I mean, just.
And you're not happy with the question about the peptides or the bone smashing or anything like that.
I mean, like, can you not identify anything that you have a curiosity about?
Like, maybe, you know, you wake up with dark circles in your eyes one morning and, like, you know, even something like that.
I mean, just like, even if you don't give a shit, I mean, like, it would be.
I got at least, you know, you put a little bit of effort into.
I think I've done a pretty good interview.
Like context, because from the context of what you guys reached out was your intention, then I would say that you've done a pretty shitty job.
All right.
Well, I think people probably want to learn about you, and that was what I was trying to give you the opportunity to do.
Well, no, I think that's totally fair, and I applaud you for that, but not one question about looks maxing.
There's been so many questions about looks maxing.
I probably asked you about looks maxing like 40 times.
He hasn't.
I just don't know the specific science.
I'm not in the community.
Okay, well, I mean, like if no, but you could chat GPT, it wouldn't take you long.
You were to ask about like something in regards to hair loss, like there's really nothing, yeah, sure, hair loss.
You see what I mean?
You're trying to tell me what to ask.
So, when you wake up every single morning, there's too many interviewers that just haven't had to do anything, and you take a look in the mirror, you're 100% satisfied with every single thing.
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, more or less.
Okay, dude, all right, well, uh, that's such cope.
Is he married?
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I guess that's just.
I bet you he's got an Andrew Cole again.
There's a certain way that men talk when they've been married.
If you want to be completely disingenuous, that's fine with me.
I guess there's just no point to continue.
All right.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
All right.
Yeah, he's married, anyways.
All right, guys.
Let me know what you think in the comments.
Sorry.
I don't know why.
I just thought, I think this wasn't the best one.
I should have reacted to something else today.
Oh, but it's okay.
Tomorrow I'm going to do a show on.
Women saying they can do it all and just outsourcing everything.
So that'll be tomorrow.
Okay.
And that's going to be going over Isabella's Brown, how she's grifting off of traditional women and conservatism while only taking the parts of conservatism that benefit her.