Pearl Davis and Doug MPA dissect the epidemic of ghosting among Millennials and Gen Z, debating whether cutting off contact becomes "diabolical" only after six months or if it is always inconsiderate. They analyze caller stories involving asset hiding, interracial relationship failures, and custody battles where men fear becoming mere babysitters under 50-50 arrangements. The discussion critiques shifting societal hierarchies, alleging women manipulate narratives against ex-partners while controlling households, ultimately suggesting a retaliatory strategy of ghosting women for up to a year before seeking legal stability. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daly here on the Audacity Network.
Thank you guys for tuning in.
I love having you here.
I really do.
I decided I'm going to start the show today by going through my Twitter, maybe talking about random things in my life before we get to the topic.
So I was thinking about how the future of this show, I can't decide.
So I know if I stick to the news cycle, stuff gets me more views, right?
But I've sort of had a shift where I really enjoy making topics out of things I see in the real world, like going out into the wild, talking to people.
And I really enjoy those kind of shows.
Yes, I have a podcast on Spotify, Doug MPA.
If you could put the link in the chat, I think it's in the description, but if it's not, you know, I'm trying to see how long I can go without buying groceries.
Um, this is orange juice with coconut water.
I don't know.
I have a drink making station now.
Very exciting.
It's your first time live.
Well, welcome to the show.
Thank you for being here.
I have these we belong or she belongs to the street sweatshirts.
So you can send to an ex.
I discontinued them because I don't know.
I just had to switch vendors.
There's a whole thing.
But I could hypothetically reintroduce them if you guys want.
So, you know, let me know in the chat if you like the she belongs to the street sweatshirts.
You could send it to your ex-girlfriend.
Be like, it didn't work out.
Okay, let's see.
Let's go through Twitter today.
All right.
Apparently, this guy got divorced.
Luca, Don Kick's wife, broke down in tears after discovering he'd used the same asset strategy by a craft hakami, putting everything in his mother's name.
So apparently, his wife allegedly was waiting for the right moment to file for a divorce after Luca had earned enough money and built up major assets.
But Luca, who truly loved her, started thinking that many men who love their wives deeply still ended up losing everything after divorce from millions.
From having millions to having nothing.
So he made a quiet move.
I guess he put his money in his mother's name.
So smart guy.
All right.
Can we confirm if this is a real story?
But Travis Hunter apparently broke down in tears, admitting his coach stole half a million dollars from him and caught his wife, Leanna, sleeping with him.
I don't know what to do because I have to pay them $150K monthly or I'll go to court.
The Cost of Divorce00:07:48
I wish I listened in college.
All right, let's see.
Move like, would they be open to moving down there?
So it's not like random, but we didn't tell them we were going to hop.
We just like, one day, would you like would you be interested in moving to Savannah, like closer to my family?
Yeah.
When they were like down.
So yeah, we're going to doing big moves now.
My second big purchase.
And we will update y'all.
The morning we wake up, actually.
In Savannah?
No, the morning we take.
Move like would they be open?
I don't know what this is, but all right.
Oh, apparently there was a this super simp made a video documentary on the manosphere.
I think they asked me to be in it, but I'm like, fuck you.
Fuck you guys.
But apparently Myron was in it.
Let me see if there's a, there's like that clip of Myron's girlfriend going viral.
I've been spending less time on Twitter lately, girlfriend.
Let me see the recent one.
Oh, yeah, here it goes.
Myron's been quite open about the fact that he expects to be in a relationship in which there's one-way monogamy, as he calls it.
He's allowed to basically pursue other relationships, but you're not.
The women that he sleeps with, he's just going to be with them for like a night or so, or whatever.
But I don't think he sees it in that way because she's so pretty, actually.
There is a reason why I've stayed so long with him.
I don't want to mix things up between you, right?
But yeah, but we were talking about in the future that maybe there's a world where you would have more than one wife.
She understands that.
She knows that that could potentially come down in the future.
What did you say about that?
I don't know.
I mean, he has said that in the past.
I think when I'll see what happens.
Like, I don't know how that will work.
The thing is that I think.
But right now, it's not going to be anytime soon because just because I'm just so focused on working.
But it could happen.
Right.
It could, of course.
Kick it down the road only for so long.
You know, she's put two years into a relationship.
If that's your long-term plan, at some point, those two realities will collide.
You know, that's a bridge we'll cross when we get there.
Like, right now.
Here's the thing.
They're kind of dogging on him because his relationship with her ended, right?
But it's better for a guy to get two years of respect than 30 years of disrespect.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like a lot of men, like, they like to tout, oh, I've been married 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
Well, who runs the relationship?
More often than not, it's the wife, you know.
So he's in a better spot getting respect for two years, even if it didn't work out.
Then, yeah.
So let me keep going.
I mean, that's so avoidant.
It's something you never know, man.
You can always change your mind down the road.
Who knows?
Maybe I'll say, you know, I only just want to be with one girl because the two would be too tough.
You know, you've backtracked on that.
But here's the thing.
You also don't know what's going to happen in the future.
I mean, how many people say they're going to be together for life and they break up?
Like, we're in the generation of right now.
None of us can plan for the future.
We all like all of this therapy talk, and that's kind of what we're going to get to with ghosting, is telling us to live in the present and appreciate the moments we have now because the future with everybody is not promised.
Already?
Some people in this part of the culture, right, who advocates for the idea of like the 1% male, that ultimate masculine that he's go her.
Sorry.
Also, I need if you could clean up the room too.
I need some help out with that.
Was that okay?
By the way, I was still weird.
Like, no, no, no.
You know, it's awkward, though.
No, no, no.
Would you felt a little awkward?
No, not at all.
No.
Angie, like, she's with me.
She's just awkward.
On word with what specific.
You know what?
Just the idea of other ladies.
No, we've had these discussions.
I saw a little bit of pain in her.
No.
No, definitely.
No, no, no.
Yes.
No.
Definitely.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah.
You don't think if I said to her, like, you would have Myron all to yourself, would you rather have that?
You don't think she would say, yeah, 100%, of course.
She would say, whatever makes him happy.
That's what she was saying.
You know, the time I do have, I spend with her if I'm with any woman.
A few moments later.
It's been several months, guys, that we haven't been together.
She was a good girlfriend, bro.
We haven't been together for a minute and she wants a family.
And I can't give that to her right now.
Yeah.
So again, they're going to dog him, but yeah, Simps can't take the fact that women choose to be where they want to be.
Yeah, and look, I don't know if an open relationship long term will work out.
I don't know, but the thing is, nobody's relationships are working out.
Everybody's cooked.
Do you know what I mean?
So, okay, let's see who's next.
Who's next on Twitter?
So, I don't really like how they're dogging him.
It's like, let's see your wife.
Let's see your relationship dynamic.
Whatever these women, whenever these like men, women dog on Myron and like the way the red pill guys do it, we always find out their wives are worse.
Their wives are worse.
Okay.
Just finished the Manosphere documentary.
He definitely made them look silly at times, which isn't hard to do, but ultimately these guys don't care how they come across.
The clicks and attention is all they care about.
What the doc actually never interrogates is whether their influence is as large as people assume.
My intuition is their content is just slop for low IQ teenagers and not anyone that's really insufficient.
Influential.
Myron says you're a PhD, but you're a retard, incredible.
There's a strange asymmetry where relatively niche Manosphere slop content is treated like a major cultural threat, while popular female-oriented content like Call Her Daddy, whose popularity builds on missingery and slowing conflict between the sexes, rarely receives any scrutiny.
Meanwhile, the male-oriented podcasts that actually dominate the charts are about healthy, physical, and intellectual self-improvement.
And that tells you more about most young men or aspirational.
Scott, like Joe Rogan, diary of CEO.
Yeah, I mean, I think that the Manosphere is a good thing.
So, okay, wait, hold on, let's keep going.
Oh, I made bread the other day, if anyone cares.
It was a little bit, and I don't know what it means, but the bread, I wish it expanded more.
Someone was telling me I over like kneaded it, but I think my bread's getting better.
It's not great, but I did use this loaf.
So, you know, I had a bunch of sandwiches with it.
So that was kind of exciting.
Today, I had buffalo chicken with rice.
I'm trying to replace my carbs with rice and potatoes rather than pasta or bread, except the bread I made there.
Defining Ghosting Slang00:03:25
Okay, I love sandwiches for lunch, but I really just contradicted what I said there.
Okay, but more, more.
Okay, I got rid of the pasta.
So just, just, you know, um, oh, I learned to make donuts.
I think I talked about this a few days ago.
I give them away, though.
When I make desserts, I'll eat like one or half of one and then I give it away.
So where did I drop these off at?
I think I dropped them off at the fire station near me.
Sometimes I do the post office fire.
I don't know.
I just, I like to bake.
You know, the other day I ran into a fan and I was walking to the fire station to drop off these like, I think it was cake or something.
And then he's like, oh, can I get a picture?
And I'm like, yeah, you want a piece of cake.
Bread, keep the dough two days in the fridge before baking it.
Butternut squash.
I'll keep going.
All right.
So.
So, today we're talking about ghosting.
Today we're talking about ghosting.
Now, the definition, I'm actually going to pull up the definition of ghosting definition because I want to be accurate.
Definition: slang.
Ghosting is the slang term for abruptly cutting off all communication with someone, ignoring calls, texts, and social media without explanation.
Popularized by the dating apps in the 2000s, it means vanishing like a ghost to avoid confrontation.
It's considered a passive-aggressive, emotionally hurtful practice.
Most commonly used in romantic dating scenarios, but it also applies to friendships increasingly in professional or workplace settings.
The person ghosting will ignore messages, stop replying, and many block the other person on social media.
The term gained popularity with the rise of online dating and social media.
I haven't seen him in weeks.
I've been ghosted.
She totally ghosted me after our second date.
I told him I wasn't interested.
They just ghosted.
Well, okay, Bala, let's go.
Show love people.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
So, okay.
The epidemic of ghosting.
I realize this is an epidemic that transcends dating and really is just the way of the world.
Millennial and Gen Z is the generation of ghosting.
Now, the first time I was ghosted, I'm not going to tell you guys my L's in dating.
So, you guys aren't getting that from me today.
Maybe a different day, but that is not today.
That day is, I'll tell you my other ways I've been ghosted.
I don't need to give my haters ammo.
I don't need to give it to them.
Okay.
But the first time I heard of someone getting ghosted was in college.
I actually had a friend in school who had a boyfriend that she was distanced with of four years that just ghosted her.
Yep.
And we would make jokes throughout college.
Are we still together?
Stories of Being Ghosted00:15:24
You know, then the other day I've been watching true crime.
I like Murder with My Husband podcast.
I don't know if anyone's seen that, but I love that podcast.
And yeah, give us the L's $500 super chat and I'll give you an L. I'll give you an L.
I don't even give my family and friends my L's.
You think you guys get an L?
$500, I'll do it.
So, anyways.
So, anyways, what's the worst ghosting I've ever done?
Okay, we don't need to, I don't need to tell you guys when I was a bad person.
I'm not always a good person, okay?
All right, all right, all right.
So when I'm watching this true crime podcast, there was a girl who like died and she died because nobody reported her missing in the first 24 hours.
And I was thinking, who would notice I was missing first?
And so I kind of was going through people I knew and I talked to often.
And I said, Hey, if I didn't talk to you within like this many hours, would you be worried?
And I said to Doug MPA, and he said, No, I would just think something came up.
And I was like, damn.
Okay, so he would, if it was up to Doug MPA, I'd be dead, I guess.
I'd be dead.
So then I go to my dad and I said, Dad, if within 24 hours I didn't call you back, like how many days until you'd call everyone else?
And he was like, ah, a few days.
And I'm like, all right.
So I would be dead.
I would be dead.
Yeah.
So then I went to my guitar teacher.
Okay.
And I went to my guitar teacher and I'm like, guitar teacher, I see you almost every day.
You know, if I went missing, if I went missing, would you notice?
And he said, I would just assume you ghosted me.
And I'm like, you would think I would ghost you?
We've been doing lessons together for almost two years.
And he said, yeah, it happens all the time with students.
So then I went to, I go to the gym and I'll tell you guys, I think I got the best deal on a trainer ever.
I'll tell you guys a different day, but this gym.
Do you guys want to hear about my deal or do you not care?
Do you want to hear that?
Okay.
So anyways, whatever.
I'm going through and I'm like, okay, so I guess I would be dead.
I would be dead.
I guess, yeah, it's up to you guys to notice.
It's up to you guys.
Yeah, they don't care.
You care?
You want to hear about the deal?
No.
Okay.
No, no, no, no.
So anyways, anyways, no, you don't.
You guys do not care.
So tell, all right, remind me at the end.
I'll tell you about the deal.
I'll tell you about this really good gym deal I got because I've switched gyms because they're taking away my basketball court.
Brutal.
So anyways, regardless, regardless.
So I'd be dead, apparently.
But the more I'm talking to people, the more I'm seeing this is becoming an epidemic everywhere.
People in the service industry get ghosted.
They'll have customers of 10 years.
Just go ghost.
Coaches are getting ghosted.
And today I'm at the gym and I made friends with a woman and she said her employer ghosted her.
they just stopped asking her to come into work um yeah and it just seems like ghosting is the way forward It's the future.
If I'm messaging a girl I've never met and she stops communicating, then I let it be.
But if we go on a date and she stops communicating, thankful it's only happened to me once, but I'm hurt, but it hurt.
Like for women, I can just speak to like my experience.
It really only hurts if you cracked.
I mean, Doug MP, we're kind of going back and forth about this.
He said, I think when you're an old woman, if he doesn't want to crack, that's hurtful because it's like, it's kind of like, cause you know, you're like a used car.
And as a used car, you have a discounted price.
And when you offer the car for free and they're like, eh, I'm okay.
I'm good.
You're like, what the?
I gave you a free car.
You don't want my free car.
You don't like, what's wrong with my car?
What's it, you know?
But when you're a young woman, you know they want to crack.
So it's just like, eh, he stopped asking her to come to work.
It sounds like he got tired of asking, are you coming or not?
I don't think that's what it was, but I don't know.
It just seems like ghosting is the way forward.
And women invented this.
Women have been ghosting men for 50 years, I think, or maybe 10 years, 20 years.
I don't know.
Women have been in the business of ghosting.
So I'm going to have Doug MPA come in on this segment because he has strong feelings about ghosting.
We'll just kind of go back and forth for a little bit.
Now, personally, when is it diabolical to ghost somebody is one question I have?
My answer, I think one day, not diabolical.
First month, who cares?
First three months, it really is inconsiderate, not diabolical.
But I'm hearing people are getting ghosted from three-year, two-year relationships, you know.
Ghosting proves the inability to be direct and honest.
That's true.
That's true.
But, anyways, let's.
I'm going to bring up Doug MPA.
Oh no.
Chad's ghost all the time.
Chad's love ghosting.
You should always text my dad.
Well, that was the hurtful part.
I'm like, Dad, we talk all the time.
i'm like that we talk all the time hey how's it going i'm just kidding I love this topic.
First off, guys, my microphone was messed up because you do this.
Google did this update, and you have to turn off this thing where it wants to auto-adjust your microphone.
So if you are in Google Chrome, you have to change a setting that is automatically checked to adjust your microphone for best quality or something like that.
So look that up because it was messy.
My microphone last couple of days.
Anyway, I love this topic because, guys, men, people keep trying to hold men to like this morally higher standard.
And I always say, we tried that.
We tried to be the bigger people.
We tried to have duty and integrity and honesty, stuff like that towards women.
And they call that misogyny and patriarchy, guys.
Now, you should be honest and have integrity, but you should be that to people who deserve it.
And a lot of women don't.
They just don't.
And also, women, guys, we got ghosted all the time when we were younger, right?
If you got ghosted or a woman didn't want to talk to you anymore, you did anything but move on, you were seen as a creep or a, you know, or like an asshole or something, you just had to move on.
But women can't take L's, guys.
They can't do it.
You owe them an explanation.
You owe them closure.
Guys, women feel entitled to your money, your time, your resources, and closure, guys.
Don't give them any of it.
Any of it.
Ghost seize women.
And think about this.
But, Doug, what about the people that say, what about the people that say you just don't know how to communicate?
You're just not being a real man, right?
A real man would tell her.
Those are the kind of people you ghost and stop talking to.
That was a funny response.
Yeah.
And here's the thing.
I have friends at my day job, and they're like, Oh, yeah, you know, I can't get ahead because of nepotism and cronyism and stuff.
I say, Look, nepotism and cronyism is good.
You want to know why?
Because all of us want to get into the position where we can hire, well, maybe not your family because a lot of times your family will screw you over in business, but you want to be able to hire all your friends.
Wouldn't it be great for you to get some executive positions somewhere and hire all your friends?
So, nepotism and cronyism is really only bad depending on what side of the desk you're sitting on.
If you're sitting on the hiring side, well, then cronyism is great, and that's the same thing with ghosting.
Ghosting is only bad if you're getting ghosted.
But, guys, ghost, it's great, it feels great, especially if you're in the position to be able to ghost women.
You have to be in a position to be able to ghost women in the first place.
And also, Pro said earlier that you have to crack, but you have to smash for women to get upset about getting ghosted.
That's not true, it's not as women get older, especially if they're these career boss babes.
If they take away from their stupid single lives to try and date and you ghost them, they get all sorts of upset.
I guarantee you, most of the guys in that are we dated the same guy group only about half of them really smashed.
The rest went out on a couple of dates and decided this girl is too crazy to even put my dick in and start talking to her.
And you'll still get put in those groups.
Women will still get upset with whether you crack or not.
Tell me about when a woman's too crazy to even crack, or like when it's not even worth it.
So, first off, rabbit dog.
AJ and I, we're brothers in real life, and that's why we sound the same, but we are not the same person.
Um, so honestly, okay, you your two biggest superpowers as a man is being able to determine who your girlfriend, fiancé, and wife is if you choose to be in a relationship or to be able to walk away.
Any girl that tries to take either of those two things away from you is too crazy to crack.
Does that make sense?
I think so.
Explain it in a different way, though.
So, so if a woman tries to keep you from being able to walk away, so she tries to emotionally extort you, like, you know, um, you know, if you leave me, I'm gonna hurt myself, or you know, oh my god, what the fuck?
Keep going, or just stuff like that.
Women are trying to take away your ability to be able to walk away, like you know, a woman that would try to shame you into staying with her or insult you into staying with her or contact your family and stuff.
And then, any woman that says, Where are this going too fast?
Like, what are we?
You know, are we too, you know, where is this headed?
Where's this going?
They're trying to take away your ghosts.
There's no such thing because any years, 10 years, 10 years, not diabolical.
Any way that a guy has ghosted, a woman has ghosted even worse.
Okay, but not everybody's doing the ghosting.
Most women, oh, a five or above, have ghosted multiple men in their lives.
Okay, so you don't think, okay, you don't think it's diabolical at 10 years to ghost the girl?
Nope.
Oh my God, come on.
Nope, nope, nope.
That's crazy.
Especially some.
Imagine a guy is going through 10 years of emotional and verbal just beating from his wife or ex-wife or girlfriend.
Just decides to just walk away.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think after a certain time, it's a little bit diabolical.
Like, I don't know.
Now, are you saying on both sides or just for women?
No, both sides.
Like, over six months, I'd say kind of diabolical.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
Come on.
Guys, put in the chat if you've been ghosted.
The average, okay.
When you were younger, how long did it take for a girl to ghost you on average when you were young?
Guys, if you were to say that you never got ghosted as a young man, you're lying.
Because me, you know, I had a girl ghost me after three and a half months, four months, long distance.
I was dumb enough to try a long distance relationship one time.
I got ghosted after seven months, eight months.
That's kind of diabolical.
No, it's not.
It's life.
Yeah, well, that's distance, though.
Distance, like, I feel like distance isn't, it's not really the same.
Like, but seven months in person, diabolical.
Yeah, I just, you know, women want things to be fair.
Women want men to have honesty and integrity, but only for stuff that puts them in an advantageous position.
And here's the thing: women, the solution to ghosting and the standards that we would have to implement, only men would do it.
Women won't.
You think that women would ever not ghost?
Who would be more like, okay, if they were to pass a law to not ghost, who would be the bigger group of offenders, men or women?
The Moral Case Against Ghosting00:15:17
Oh, women.
Women are immoral all the time.
Yeah.
But so you have to get over holding.
Well, I'm not saying you, but I'm saying throw you holding men to this higher moral.
If a man chooses to hold himself to a higher moral standard, well, then that's fine.
But like, you don't have to, guys.
That time is over.
Yeah.
I guess it would just like for me personally, I think over six months is die.
Like personally, I would at least said to text first month, but for maybe after a month, two months.
But like, I don't know, six months, a year, five years.
That's just a little log for me.
And then what if you're one of the, okay, men, we're smart enough where there are women where you know they can't even handle regular life and their emotions and regular situations.
How are they going to handle you saying that you don't want to be with them anymore?
Avoid a lot of times avoiding that conversation.
And here's the thing.
Women know how to shame, insult, and guilt you into backing down.
If you have a conversation with a woman, they can use shame, insults, and guilt to stop you from leaving.
Actions are more important than words.
So a lot of time a guy will say, oh yeah, I'm leaving.
But he doesn't really want to leave.
The best way to show a woman that you don't want to deal with her anymore or you want to leave, just leave.
It says, if you're going to end the relationship, at least have the guts to tell them.
The guts.
Look at that.
Shame, insults, and guilt right there.
The guts.
Where are women having the guts to not ghost men?
Oh, well, women don't.
Yeah.
But I just, for me personally, I think over six months is diabolical.
That's going to be my line.
But guys, call in.
Call in.
Join the convo.
Agree, disagree.
There's no right or wrong answer here, right?
You know, I mean, that's just for me personally.
You know, go ahead.
You have to earn your earn the status and the ability to be desirable enough to be able to ghost women.
Women, so he, this guy agrees with you.
Women can't handle rejection.
Pearl wants us to reject.
So we wake up with slash tired.
I'm good.
Ghosting is a tool.
Women use it.
And men certainly are going to use it too.
100% true.
100%.
I can understand that, you know, but I still think six months is diabolical.
But that's me.
Like, that's me, like, personally, you know.
Yeah.
I guess it could be contextual.
I could be swayed in the right situation if she's just like bat crazy, right?
I could be swayed.
But, you know, that's my problem.
Have self-respect and protect your dignity.
Ghost her.
I agree.
100%.
You see it every day with the most guys.
Call in.
Just because women are bad doesn't mean men should be.
Michael, call in.
Give your give your.
We could, we could fight it out.
I, for me, six months is diabolical, but I don't feel that strongly about it.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I'm not, I wouldn't really lose sleep.
I'd just be like, oh, wow.
That's, you know, that's you could, you could maybe sway me to get up to a year over a year.
Diabolical.
Um, yeah.
Yeah, I'm all about ghosting.
I'll say it again, guys.
Ghost all day long.
Ghost because women, that's the only way women will learn.
It's funny because women ghost men when they're young, but then they feel like men when you get the tools to be able to live out the male dating strategy, women want to shame you out of using all the tools and options that you've earned.
Um, the link is in the chat, guys.
So it's in the YouTube chat.
You just click it at the top.
I broke up with a woman and lost thousands in court because she was upset.
I'm good with ghosting.
See, and you know, to me, that's not an unreasonable standard.
You know, I just stick to it for me personally.
Six months, diabolical.
Um, you don't enable, yeah, don't enable abusers just by sticking around to get verbally abused.
Again, I can be swayed in certain situations.
I can be swayed.
Um, because SMS would be a better alternative.
You were good, but I found a better one.
That's funny.
Because here's the thing: I wonder what is the likelihood.
I think that women remember the guys that ghost them more than the guys that give them an explanation because a woman will always wonder, and you'll always be on her mind in some capacity if she liked you and you ghosted it and never told you why, never told her why you ghosted.
I don't think most, I think, I don't think most guys give explanations.
I don't think that's normal.
I'm glad.
Um, at the rise of false allegations, if you're gonna meet, break up, meet in a public case, place lots of cameras, and even then you might lose in court.
I was a 10, a male model, a 35-of-age pearl is right.
I had to ask married, well, call in male model.
Let's see, let's see the face card.
You don't get to say you were a 10 in the chat, prove it.
Like, yeah, right.
Um, because here's the thing: some of the best advice I've ever heard was: here's the thing, guys, you're either a liar or you're not, right?
And a lot of guys aren't liars.
So, you know, a lot of men have integrity and honesty, and they don't like lying.
But how you can get around that is just don't say anything, guys.
If you're with a woman and she asks you where you were, say, say, I got nothing.
You should text Sean if he's up.
I think he dumped me on stream.
I don't know if you remember.
Show me their breakups.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll reach out to him.
But, guys, here's the thing: just don't give.
If you ever get caught, like half-caught in a woman who wants you to explain yourself, just don't give her anything.
Say, I got nothing for you, guys.
And this, and that's what ghosting is.
It's like you're not, just don't give her any kind of story that she can pick apart and try to just don't give her anything, guys.
All right, Wild Heart, what is your thought on the topic?
Ghosting.
At what point is it okay?
Have you a story with it?
And at what point is it diabolical?
Go ahead.
To be honest, I've just started to watch in, so I can't comment.
I'm going to have to keep up on the conversation.
I've literally just started to watch.
Okay, then why are you calling in?
Yeah, guys, if you're coming, if you're calling in, it's all right.
You know, I mean, I should have said this before.
We took the caller, so this is my bad.
Call in.
I love it when you guys tell me personal stories with ghosting.
So if you personally have ghosted or been ghosted and you felt like it was diabolical, either or, let me know.
If you have like a point when it was diabolical, you know, ghosting is weak.
Well, come up here, say it with your chest.
And here's what I want to talk, but I'm really busy at the moment.
Let's talk later.
Never going to talk to her again.
There you go.
The wise sage.
Have you ever ghosted a woman because you were talking to another woman that you liked more and then realized you chose wrong?
Has it ever happened?
Oh, yeah, of course.
Really?
What happened?
Tell me.
When I was young, I waited tables.
And this table, my first full-time job, I weighed tables at a restaurant that was off of a major highway.
And, you know, I worked 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. in the morning.
So I would work when the bars got out.
And this table of three girls, two of them left their phone number on napkins.
And I think they literally wanted to see who I would call, call first.
I was talking to all three of them.
And I chose the wrong napkin.
And I called the friend that wasn't attractive.
So we hung out a little bit.
But if I would have chosen the napkin with the blue ink instead of the red ink, it would have been the other friend.
Should have just kept going.
I'm so sorry.
I got really sick.
Okay, I'm going to read the super chat.
We're going to, Tony Castro, don't get caught.
LOL.
LJ, welcome to the show.
Have you ghosted?
What's your opinion on the topic?
And at what point is it diabolical?
Go ahead.
Yes.
And it's always diabolical.
It's kind of fucked up that we're at this point in human history, I guess.
So, yeah, I haven't really been ghosting lately because kind of getting older, hairs thinning out.
Not really on the game this much.
Do you have a story of when you've ghosted somebody and if they crashed out or like anything, any fun stories?
No, not really stories on that, but I was listening to your co-host and he was talking about like it made me want to call in, because he was talking about like women don't want, like modern women don't want you to know that you have leverage if you do um, and like growing up, like friends, like girlfriends and whatever, they would always say that,
like they don't want me going to the gym too much or yeah, like too much shape.
Okay, that's what I thought I heard you say.
So yeah, I was like damn, I gotta call in because that that's my experience too.
Women, they don't want you to be able to when you get serious with them um, they don't want you to be able to keep doing the things or have the tools that attracted them in the first place.
Yeah, they want to like dim your light, you know and, like I said before you, your two biggest superpowers is being able to walk away and then determine who your girlfriend, fiancé and wife is.
And those women, the first thing they want to do is take those two things away.
That's the first thing they want to do.
And is there, is there a point lj when it's diabolical, or do you agree with Doug that it's never diabolical, I don't know.
I think it just is like in general, like I hate that we're at this point.
I think we should.
All of our interactions should be in person, and if it's going to be our last, but i'd rather just tell you that.
But you've also ghosted, so right yeah, i'm a hypocrite, so i'm gonna ask you, because society still hasn't adjusted.
People think that dating happens to women, that men inflict trauma on women when it comes to the sexual marketplace, and I reject that notion.
Women usually choose where they want to be and they choose the type of men they want to deal with.
But they always had that out like oh, he ghosted me, but we don't talk about women ghosting.
Every single man has gotten ghosted, and you, we have to earn our way to be able to to ghost, so why can't we use it?
Why not?
Mpa, here's, here's one from the chat I got one.
If a dude convinces a woman to move to a new state and then ghosts, would that be diabolical?
Uh okay yeah yeah yeah, that would be bad.
Okay, you got me right there.
That would be diabolical.
Two dollars from pretty unknown.
Thanks for the super chat.
Sorry, did you have something you wanted to say Lj.
No, I was just agreeing Marvin.
Welcome to the show.
Um, find me on, Never Married Guy or whatever.
Your device isn't connecting.
Just letting you know in the back, Marvin.
Um, what is your thought on the topic?
Ghosting is there when it's Diabolical.
Do you agree with me more or Doug more?
And then, if you have any personal stories, oh, never mind.
It says his device is back.
Okay.
We can hear you, Marvin.
What's up, buddy?
Oh, great.
Thank you.
How are you doing?
So, do you have an opinion on the topic of ghosting?
Yes, I do actually.
The man's supposed to have extra leverage at any cost because, like Doug MPA said earlier, women ghosts all the time, but when a man ghosts women, he needs to look over his options.
When he doesn't have leverage, then they treat him like a weak person, like he's not strong to make crazy decisions for himself in those situations.
And I do.
Sorry, go ahead.
I agree with you, Pearl.
That's what I was saying.
Is there a point when it's diabolical?
What is that point?
When a woman ghosts a man, or when a man either or is there a point where one person goes, like to me, I'll just say my personal first month, eh?
Who cares?
First three months, eh, whatever.
Six months, eh, it's starting to be a little diabolical.
I mean, maybe if she did something really crazy, okay, we could, we could like, there's like a, you know, a cat and mouse game, I guess.
But around six months for me is where I'm like, that's a little six months to a year is where I start to think that's a little diabolical on either side.
You said six months.
That's for me, that's too long.
Even a month and a half is too long.
If you can't get it cracking within the month that you after you met, I'm from a man's perspective, then there's something wrong.
No, no, no.
I'm saying like you're hooking up like for six months or like you're dating for six months to like no, no, like first month, who cares?
Three months, eh, whatever.
Like, but I'm saying six months to a year for me is a little diabolical to just ghost somebody.
Dating Crisis and Capitalism00:03:16
Do you agree or disagree?
If so, why?
And like, like, what's the point for you that it's diabolical?
Uh, it's kind of tricky on that.
For me, when I was in a situation, I told her, you know, the lady I was with about five years ago, you're not going to ghost me.
I told her, if you're going to, you know, hook me up with somebody else, and I've been seeing for two years, which did happen, by the way, then there's no point for me to even, you know, stick around if you're going to just get tired of me all of a sudden.
You want to hook me up with your girlfriends?
No.
To me, that's diabolical.
For me, that's diabolical.
It's, that means you never, why I'm wasting my time with you, then why didn't you say so the first year?
You know, you're not feeling me.
So pushing after six months, I don't know.
Give me a number.
Like six months, one year, what is it?
I'll say about a year.
A year.
Okay.
I could be swayed to a year, right?
But I like to me, it's around six months where depending on how much time you spent together.
Is capitalism to blame for the dating crisis?
You know what?
Actually, I was thinking about how in college relationships moved so much faster because you could have like a full-blown love of romance in like a week because you're like, oh, nothing about high school.
High school.
No, no, no, no.
Not in my high school.
That didn't happen.
No, no, no.
Let me finish.
So in high school, like, no, you have your parents there, whatever, but in college, it's free rates.
So you could meet someone in the dining hall and now you're spending 24 hours a day together for like, you know, a week.
You feel like you're in love, you know.
Whereas an adult, that's like crazy.
Like, now apparently, that's crazy.
You know what I mean?
Well, high school, like public school, if you went to a decent sized public school, everyone kind of knew of each other, and you could just walk up to a girl that kind of knew you and say, Hey, you want to be my girlfriend?
And if she said yes, you're like zero to holding hands and like waiting for each other outside each other's classes and hanging out all the time in like two seconds.
Not in my high school, no one really dated in my high school, it's just like the popular kids.
But when I, yeah, when in college, people would like date and like break up so fast, and it would like be like it would be they'd be like full-fledged in love and then like done the next week.
But once you're in adulthood, relationships just move a lot slower once people get to the cities.
Don't get me started with college.
I was in college once, and I had my share of women in college, it was wild, pearl.
It was wild.
I even hooked up at least three ladies in my early early 2000s when I went to my first years of community college.
And I'm telling you, it was one of those experiences as a young boy that I was.
I never, I didn't think I could, you know, survive it.
You know, I was just learning the rope, so to say.
Yeah, it's capitalism to blame for the dating crisis.
Um, thanks for calling in, Marvin.
Um, is capitalism to blame for the dating crisis?
White Guys Taken Advantage Of00:14:56
Uh, no, I don't think so.
It's diabolical.
It's who do we blame on this channel?
Where have you been?
Who do we blame?
Women.
If the answer, who, whose fault is it?
Like, you know, who might, that's the dumbest.
I'm sorry, but that's the dumbest question I've ever got on this channel.
Like, where have you been?
Where am I?
I'm going to blame capitalism.
No, I blame women.
It's like, you know, single motherhood.
Who's to blame?
Women.
You know, if a kid's fucked up, if a kid's a criminal, who's to blame?
The mother.
If the baby.
You know, it's like, if the kid's autistic, probably the mother, you know, it's probably older.
Yeah.
Autism.
Autism is on the rise because women, old women, are having babies with their old ass dried up eggs.
You cannot convince me any different.
Yeah.
It's so, and on this channel, it's always women.
So please, like, let's get better questions.
I say there's no stupid questions except for that one.
I'm sorry, Elster.
All right, it's diabolical if you tell your wife and kids you're going to get some milk and then never come back.
Yeah, actually, after kids, is it diabolical, Doug MPA?
You're black.
You guys know all about that.
So the white guy is like, yeah, that's diabolical.
Let's see what the black guys are.
So, so let me tell you, first off, you've seen what a lot, a lot of our women are like, dude.
You've seen them.
And, you know, and we're brainwashed by the black matriarchy.
And like a lot of guys, a lot of black men, they just wake up one day and your wife is a freaking weaved up, tattooed, fat, freaking B-dub.
You know, odds are she's, you know, she, she's hitting them and freaking also, hey, what did that be a VLO in the chat say?
It's prison.
They're not going to get some milk.
They're breaking out of prison.
A lot of these guys.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
We talked to the Section 8 housing guy, all right?
And I'm hearing that black man, there's black men with 100 bottles of pee in his apartment.
You know what I mean?
It's not like.
Well, you know, I can tell you I wouldn't defend black men on that point, but I guarantee you most of his stories are single black women.
I guarantee it.
Okay, so not diabolical.
Uh-uh.
Not in the black community.
LJ, if it's a if it's a ghetto-ass black woman, is it diabolical to ghost after a kid?
I look at him shake.
No comment.
Well, so, like, I'm gonna date myself, but you guys remember that.
Um, you guys remember Fresh Prince of Bel Air, the show, and there was an episode where like Will's father came back and he and then he thought he was gonna go on the road with his dad, and then at the end, his dad left, and he's like, Why don't he want me, man?
Yeah, Will's mom was a balls, a ball-busting bitch that entire show.
That entire show.
Who wouldn't leave that woman?
His dad's problem is that he came back into his life.
I'm one of those people, look, guys.
If you don't want to deal with a child, walk away and stay away forever.
I always say, if a woman were to have a child against my will, all she's getting from me is child support.
And then 15 years later, when that little bastion grows up and knocks on my door, I'll say, Look, hey, how are you?
I'm your son.
I'm your daughter.
Okay, well, it's nice to meet you.
Take three steps back, please.
Wham and slam the door in their face, guys.
If you have, if a woman has a child against your will, you don't have to deal with it.
Pay your child support and leave, but stay away forever.
Don't do this whole thing where 10 years later, 15 years later, or your son makes it to the NBA or gets a PAC and you're like, Oh, I'm coming back.
Stay away.
He's sticking around.
Doug MB, okay, I have a question because I know you'd be open, like in the right situation, you'd want a kid, right?
What if she got pregnant against your will?
She tries to raise that little bastard for six months, and it's like mother's hood's hard.
And she comes to you and she says, Look, I'm willing to sign over custody and never see you again.
I'll take it.
Okay, okay.
I'll take it.
What if she says, Okay, I'm gonna see how far we can go with this.
I want you to raise a little, you know, fucker, whatever.
Um, um, and I want to be here.
I want to see the kid every other weekend, and I don't even want to why I just want to see the child every other week.
I know I'm a fuck up.
Could I just see him?
Could I, could you watch him all the time?
And I just every other weekend, no, because women can't help themselves.
Women have this like women will always have to give their input because they gave birth to a child.
White guys have guilt, you know what I mean?
Yeah, too guilty.
I've said that before.
Yeah, that's why white guys get taken advantage of the most.
They're like funding all of America, you know, while women and black people just live off of all.
Could you imagine if you put the attitude and the diabolical nature of black women into white men's brains?
They couldn't do it.
We'd be screwed.
Okay, I've said this before.
You look and sound like Donna from that 70s show.
I don't think so, but I'll tell you, I think we're just tall redheads, but I'll take it.
Thank you.
So, if she had any contact at all, you would say no.
100%.
Because I have friends who have adopted and they have like an open adoption where the biological mom can still see the kid.
What?
Look, why would you do that?
Why?
So, this crackhead who is one step away from dropping her from throwing her baby away in a dumpster, you are taking on the burden of raising a child, but the mother still gets to see the kid.
Get the out of here.
This is why, or it's even worse.
You seen those stories where, like, the stepdad raised the daughter, but then the daughter wants her biological dad to walk her down the aisle, although the biological dad never spent a penny or any uh to raise her or any time with her.
Just avoid that situation altogether, dude.
No way.
Hey, before I go, y'all, I got I do have one ghosting story that I forgot.
Okay, um, tell me whether this is diabolical or not.
Yeah, look at this.
He feels guilty.
You see that white guy goes up here.
So I uh had a tender date, brought her back.
She was a black chick.
And what did you do that for?
Uh, she was like, It's easy.
Come on now.
Come on.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
So, anyways, we hooked up and then she did my laundry right after, which I think y'all were talking about like a couple shows ago.
Anyway, I drove her back to her place, totally ghosted her, but um, I never forgot the laundry.
That was pretty, that was pretty neat.
I'm gonna have to ask you: so, do you get a lot of black women coming after you?
Of course, he does.
Uh, I used to more, which is a weird thing to say.
Okay, okay, white guys, go ahead.
Okay, I'm gonna ask you a question, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to.
How would you feel about marrying a black woman and having a half-black child?
Um, I, yeah, it's not, it would depend on the woman, you know, because I, it's always so, like, I'm black, and if my if the woman I have a kid with is white, I'm black, and then the child is black, so I can still help navigate that child through life, right?
Oh, you're white, I know where you're going, yeah, and okay, and the mother's black, and the child is black.
She's all first off, there'd be a disconnect.
I think the mother would definitely perceive that there's a disconnect between you and that child because you're white and she's black, and the child is black.
And then, also, I think that a lot of these black women put the white guy in a position where he has to apologize for his whiteness and it and his privilege to be in a relationship or married to that woman.
Yeah, you're all good points.
That's why I said it would depend on the woman because there definitely are black women that like you could tell them up front, hey, like this is how this is gonna go.
And if I'm having a child with her, that's definitely a conversation that we've had.
Um, why did you ghost the girl?
Like, was she just too ugly or what?
Uh, this is kind of like this is bad, but like no, no, no, it's a lot left a lot of makeup in the bed.
Um, yeah, I'm just being honest here, y'all.
Uh, was it someone else's hair that wasn't hers left over all over your pillow and stuff?
No, I'm not gonna go there.
It was more like just the crazy eyes and like intensity around the whole thing.
Like, I think she went back into my trash can and stole the condom because I couldn't find it.
So, yeah, you white guys are targeting.
But it's been like two years, so I don't, I think we're good.
Maybe, maybe, maybe little Johnny will come or Daquan.
Yeah, I'm just saying, I might find out what you're talking about.
You got to watch out because there's this divestment movement where, like, white women and black women are actively trying to get well, white men.
And I remember I dated this girl one time, this black woman, and she was trashing on black guys who date white women.
But then she said, A white guy that marries a black woman is a celebration of a black woman.
And she was dead serious.
So be careful out there, man.
These B dubs, or and then you know, that one guy in New York, he's he's um, he's one of the small hats, and he's been like insimidating all these women.
He has a PhD in mathematics, a full head of hair, and he's like, he's insiminating all these women.
I think he has like 85 kids or something like that.
You heard of him?
No, man.
Anyway, like over half of his kids are black.
Damn.
Yeah.
So just be careful out there, man, because these B dubs, they're looking for white guys.
He's done with dubs.
Look at his face.
Yeah, I'm past.
Well, never mind.
Lingling might get him, but he's done with these black women.
This is a safe space, man.
You can go ahead and let it all out.
Go for it.
No one's watching.
Don't worry about it.
No, yeah.
What could go wrong?
Hey, thanks for having me up, y'all.
Call me anytime, man.
You're a great call.
Call in anytime, bro.
Appreciate y'all.
That was awesome.
I just demonstrated my white guys versus point so well.
Oh my God.
When you say that white guys are the most tolerant that they do so much, but really ask for so little back, like that guy, he seems like one of them.
Or like, he's probably dealt with a whole bunch of stuff and he just lets it slide off his shoulders.
You know, he still has a good general disposition, a good, a good outlook on life, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then black guys, like, yeah, banded these kids.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
Awesome.
It was a rolling stone.
Yep.
Um, all right.
If anyone else wants to call in, give me reasons why you've ghosted women.
Just start rattling them off.
Or do you think there's a difference between when a guy ghosts a girl and a girl ghosts a guy?
Uh, yeah, because when the guy goes to girl, it means more because there's probably a good reason.
Where if a girl goes to guy, it was probably for no reason.
He wore the wrong kind of shoes, or yeah, um, he talked about anime or something like that.
What?
How do I call in with this profile picture?
Just don't click on the link at the top of the chat.
Stop that with that profile, but just what is that?
Why don't you like a shirt on?
It's like half over your head.
Oh my god.
Okay.
But there's like a social infrastructure in place that still lets women get away with their foolishness.
And just ghosts is one of them.
If a woman ghosts, it's because she felt the ick or the vibes weren't there or she felt like her safety was being compromised or some kind of crap.
But there's no good reason for a guy to ghost.
No good reason.
And I don't know why that is.
Guys, ghost these brats.
Just do it.
You don't owe these women anything, especially closure.
I honestly, I said it before.
Women will always remember the guy where everything went really well on a couple of dates and he just stopped talking to her.
She will always remember that guy.
Always wonder why.
Be that guy.
Oh, yeah.
This is another uptick in ghosting marketplace meetup for sale.
So, like Facebook, I haven't really experienced this yet because I just started selling stuff on Marketplace, but I've heard that the ghosting on Facebook Marketplace is just incredible.
Um, yeah, true, just like women can have dating preferences.
Justification for Slow Rolling00:15:34
Yeah, really.
So, do you think it's different if the woman was a good woman to him?
Do you think it's still like, I mean, because come on, we all know the savage that just can get he can actually get nice girls, but he's a savage.
If he ghosts her, do you do you think it's diabolical or no?
Okay, so this whole good woman thing, come on now.
You thought you were gonna get me, huh?
No, come on, no, advocate today, so keep going, keep going.
No, I just here's the thing: a good woman gets less and less good the more serious you get to her, and the longer you're with her.
So, honestly, you could argue that's a good point because of that.
You it would be better for you to ghost.
You're more justified to ghost the longer you're with the woman.
Damn, that was a good point.
That was a good point, honestly.
Um, exoskeleton, thank you for the dollar.
I think the more important question there is: are there any girls that don't talk to multiple men at the same time?
That's why men are done.
Okay, good point, good point.
All right, we got Joshua Smith.
Welcome to the show.
So, do you think there's a certain point that it's diabolical to ghost somebody?
And do you have a ghosting?
If you have a ghosting story, feel free to tell it.
Go ahead.
No, really.
Uh, my story is about this girl.
I was doing away with a white girl.
I'm uh black, I'm from Gary, Indiana, the same place Michael Jackson is from.
And I dealt with black women all my life.
It's like my dog just messed with me.
I dealt with black women all my life, and between the white and black, it's the same to me.
The white girl I was with is a little bit younger.
Uh, we was doing just praying, I don't think she was what 23 years old, I believe.
And uh, what happened was her granddaddy and grandma ended up passing away.
That's who's taking care of her.
And once she got her uh inheritance, she pretty much kicked me to the side.
And uh, I know it ain't ghosting a story, just uh, check out your uh content a lot.
I'm actually shocked I was able to get in here, but I was just looking at the show.
I mean, I have a ghost or story.
I don't ghost females like that.
I'm not handsome enough to do that, but uh, it was just a story about what you guys are talking about to be dapping.
But that's also heard that comment you said about my shirt.
The reason I had it that way, I was young.
I was finished, that's all.
But thank you, bro.
Thanks for calling, buddy.
What I love about men, you can roast them and they don't get offended.
They're just like, Oh, no, no, I was young.
Or the girl will be like, I can't believe you said that about me.
Like, imagine if I said that about a black woman.
She would call in and she would just be like, Yeah, she'd be like, I still look like that.
In fact, I looked even better now 15 years later.
I look better now.
Wait, okay, Sean, I see you in the chat.
Call in, my guy.
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Okay, so he watched his mom get cheated on, and that's why he's salty against the men, slaying bitches.
Well, happens to the best of us.
Um, girls tend to ghost based on personal insecurities.
I dated a girl for three years, then ghosted her.
Why?
Call in, call in, and tell that story.
Um, yeah, see, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
That's okay.
Um, when a man ghosts a woman, usually that woman is easier to reel back in because they become obsessive and never give up.
It's one of your best tools.
See, Avila's, you got to call in.
Oh, he says that he's busy.
Never mind.
Says, I tried.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
I tried clicking on the link, but Stream Yard said it won't allow me to sign up to service because I don't have an active credit card.
Huh?
Shouldn't I think it's free?
So I don't know.
CPain says, well, if you got a chat or a story, type it in the chat and I'll read it if the three years, whoever that is.
CPain said, I've ghosted, I've been ghosted.
It's all in the beautiful circle of life.
Yep, I agree.
I agree, guys.
It says, once again, we still have this knee-jerk reaction to hold men to a higher standard.
Honestly, I admit it.
Too many of you think that it's ghost is just what women do, but then, like, if a man does it, it's just so much worse.
Or that men, men are the ones who inflict pain and anguish upon women in dating, but not the other way around.
Because we've just accepted, guys, if a woman ghosts you or says that you don't, she doesn't want to be around you or whatever, you just have to get over it and move on.
Women should have to do that too.
You don't owe these women anything, guys.
I keep saying it.
Men, we held ourselves to a higher standard.
Women called that misogyny and patriarchy.
Women knew not what they asked for.
Now they're out here.
Dating is blood sport, guys.
It's brutal.
We just get our scars before they do.
Oh, these people are surprised.
Women go for the alpha chads the younger we are.
So I don't think women ever go ahead.
I almost think it's like more diabolical when you're younger because you get like the most like how like the most masculine guys get the youngest women.
You know what I mean?
Like that's why all those NBA players have like their moms got pregnant in high school.
The guys that are the most like diabolical tend to get the youngest women.
If anything, like if any, like, if anything, like the guys are more diabolical when you're young.
I'm just speaking like from experience, but they're almost more diabolical when they're younger.
Let's see.
I am really trying to communicate.
Okay.
Yeah, he's out of here.
He's in trouble this whole time.
And now you're blocked, you dumbass.
Chads get ghosted too.
I'm sure they do, but they have like three stacies.
You know what I mean?
It's like, well, yeah.
One thing Chads do is they get ghosted and they just keep moving on.
Just keep going, guys.
Oh, yeah.
You don't have time to wonder why.
Why does she talk to me?
Who cares?
There's nothing you can do about it.
Just move on.
And that's what these women need to do.
He didn't want to talk to you.
Move on.
Women get so bent about getting ghosted that they have those.
Are we dating the same guy Facebook groups?
And they always say, oh, do you think, why don't men ever have those ass?
It's because we get used to this.
This happens to us so often when we're young that we get used to it.
By the time it happens in our 30s and 40s, we just don't even care about it anymore.
And like I said, in society, if you're a guy and a woman ghosts you or says that she doesn't want to be around you or anything, you got you just and you do anything but move on.
It can be a problem for you.
Just move on.
Just slowly contact less in the rare case of a breakup.
I don't really, though.
It just seems to be the nicest way to go about it if the girl keeps trying.
What do you think about ghosting versus like slowly contacting less?
What's your pros and cons of each?
So slowly contacting less, it really has to involve to make sure that she doesn't see you again physically.
Because each time you see her physically, it resets the clock.
So the slow communication, the less communication thing, you have to do that by text message or by phone and just don't see her physically.
So that works.
Would you guys say that the slow roll is less hurtful to women than ghosting?
Hmm.
Oh, there's an L I'm thinking about telling, but I need more money.
Sorry.
Let me think.
The slow roll or ghosting.
Hey.
I think the, I would say straight ghosting, I would say that the slow roll.
Because like the slow roll, you give a little hope.
Okay.
So how about this?
You call me, right?
So, okay.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
We smashed a couple times.
And like before I smashed, I was calling you all the time.
I was making you feel like a princess, right?
Then, you know, I was calling you all the time.
And then all of a sudden, you have to start calling me.
And then you call me and I'm like, hey, hey, how's it?
You're like, hey, so what's going on?
I'm like, nothing.
How are you?
You're like, good.
And I'm just like, so I'm just really busy.
I mean, I can't talk long.
And that happens like three or four times in a row.
No, I think that the straight, like blocked would be worse.
I don't know why.
I don't know why.
It seems like it would get right to the point.
But I like, I feel like if I'm used to talking to you every day and it slowly tapers off, then you slowly start to, you know what it is?
It's then you're slowly going to see the prospects, right?
So then when he eventually tapered off completely, it's like, like, but when it's out of the blue, like, if I'm only talking to you, then it's like, does that make sense?
Like, then it's like, oh, now I'm by my lonesome for two days because there's a woman.
Okay.
How about this?
The slow rollout and the ghost, you don't get the reason why.
Because the slow rollout, they just stop communicating.
And you're going to get to the point where you're going to start asking why, and they're not going to tell you why.
They're just going to stop.
So, would you rather not be able to ask them why and have them not tell you or not have the opportunity to ask them why and them not tell you?
I'd rather, do you know what it is?
I don't know why, but I would just prefer the slow roll, like personally.
I just would.
I don't think it's like the most efficient.
I actually think it's like, I actually think it should be worse because it wastes more of my time, right?
And gives you hope.
But I just think like, cause like then at least I see it coming.
I can take steps, like, you know what I mean?
But I think when it comes out of nowhere and you don't see it coming, block, deleted, et cetera, it's like, you know, now if as a girl, it takes a while to find a guy you really like.
So that it's going to take me a while to do that.
So I, you don't owe her the slow roll.
I, and it doesn't make sense because as I'm saying it, I'm like, this is not efficient.
The other way gets right to the point.
But because of my feelings, I prefer the slow roll, you know.
Sean, what do you think of the topic?
I know you got something to say on this.
I was going to say, it doesn't give you hope, Pearl.
It gives you cope.
That's probably.
Yeah, let's go.
Yes.
You get it?
So ghost.
And I think, Doug, Doug, you were really preaching just now when you just said move on.
I think the most important thing for you to realize is when you're getting ghost and if you're getting ghost.
Like at the end of the day, you just dodged the bullet, you know, like somebody just did you a favor.
And so the result remains the same if they tell you or if they don't tell you.
They don't want to rock with you.
And so I think it's crucial to only focus on your hot leads and people who really want to be with you.
So if the interest is very low or they got distracted, then they have other options.
And that's probably what happened.
Or maybe that didn't happen.
Who knows?
But I don't think it's much return on investment and energy time and attention to say, what happened?
What was the conclusion?
Looking for the justification.
So at the end of the day, I just say, keep it pushing.
Turnover, baby.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't take it personal when the seller says they want an extra million on the property and I don't want to give it to them.
I'm just like, I hope you find what you're looking for.
I'm not private equity.
I'm an individual investor.
So I can't buy it at that price.
Do you think there's a point where ghosting is diabolical?
Nah, I mean, at the end of the day, I'll be like, this is why Sean's my guy.
This is why he's my guy.
Let's go.
I remember one time in my life, I went somewhere and then I was supposed to meet this young lady in a like rooftop bar.
You know, I had my appointment and I'm sitting there just waiting, right?
Like maybe 20 minutes prior, we had a contact.
Everything was gravy, right?
And I'm like, okay, maybe she got hit by a scooter.
I don't know.
But at the end of the day, I sat down, had a great meal and said, hey, look, I paid less for dinner.
That sounds like a win-win for me.
So I just enjoyed my time.
No, I meant like for like in a relationship.
So like you're dating, because I'll tell you, I'll tell you what I said and I'll tell you what Doug said.
Okay, go ahead.
I said, for me personally, I think first month, who cares?
You don't like whatever.
Three months, six months is where I'm like, that's a little diabolical.
Well, I could be swayed up to a year where I'm like, do you know what?
Where it's like, okay, after a year or less, whatever, like I could be swayed that way.
But me personally, if I'm like seeing someone for six months, I'd give them a text or at least a tat, like, but a conversation.
I think it's kind of diabolical to not.
Doug MPA, on the other hand, says that it's worse.
It's actually, there's more reason to ghost later because the women get worse.
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So.
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, so you mean somebody's in a relationship and they're ghosting you in the relationship.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Yeah.
Yep.
Go out.
Go out to get a pack of cigarettes or some milk and just don't come back.
Ah, okay.
Okay.
First of all, that's hilarious.
But also, sometimes I just don't take it personal.
Other people have reasons why they ghost because maybe they're not good at confrontation.
Maybe they feel guilty.
That's good for you, though.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Sorry, Sean, for you.
Like, when is it diabolical?
Or you like, you wouldn't ghost or you think, like, when do you think it's diabolical?
For me doing it to someone else, I wouldn't do it because that's just not the way I communicate.
My line of communication is through communication, but some people's line of communication is through withdrawal.
Like, that's just who they are.
I'm pretty sure that same person who goes to somebody in a relationship probably don't even get back to people.
That'd be the motherfucker.
Like, we'd be talking about a friend, like, hey, Pearl, house, whatchamacallit doing?
And they're like, yeah, man, I need to hit that person up.
They messaged me like three months ago.
I'm like, damn, you ain't reach out to them.
They said hi to you.
They're probably a person who don't respond to anybody.
Like, they just do whatever they want.
They ghost their real friends.
They ghost their mama.
Like, why would I take it personal?
Doug MPA, what do you think?
Are you going to say we always assume that there's some kind of weakness in certain?
Well, he's not, that person is probably not good at confrontation.
Like, maybe the person knows that woman enough to know that that person isn't worth having a confrontation with.
Like, these women are crazy and they want what they want.
And you don't have to give it to them.
Like, women feel entitled to men's resources, money, time, and closure.
Just don't give them any of it, guys.
We don't have to anymore.
We are not obligated to give women closure.
That whole thing, oh, yeah, you need to.
I don't have to do anything out here.
I don't.
Yeah, that's true.
I agree with that too.
I think guys need to take more of a standard position.
Again, I'm not saying they're victims.
I'm not saying like, oh my gosh, they're so poor, confrontational.
They're so, they're so polite.
They're probably still a goddamn chaos in a menace.
But at the end of the day, there's narrative in dating that like men inflict dating on women.
You know, like, and I don't, we need society hasn't caught up with the fact that women choose to be where they are professionally in their personal lives and dating.
You choose to be where you are, period.
But we just have this thing where like, oh yeah, men need to not ghost.
I'm not saying you said that, but that's like the general sense.
And I'm like, why?
We try taking the higher road.
We tried to be morally superior.
We tried all that, but they call it patriarchy of misogyny.
Now we are where we are.
But I think, but also, Doug, I think that's their game.
Like, shame anything you do and elevate anything I do.
I think I just saw something called, what was it called, Pearl?
How hot wiping, where it was like, if you, if you basically allow your wife to go sleep with another male, it's actually beneficial for the relationship.
Oh, my God.
Not wiping, not swapping, not swinging, Pearl.
Not like, hey, the guy gets to hook up with your wife and he gets to hook up with your wife.
No, This is just your wife going on a solo mission.
But the way women articulated their actual position on it actually made it seem like, oh, this is for the betterment of the relationship.
This is not because she wants to get it.
Can you make that for men?
Can you please make the version of that?
Like, how would you articulate?
Because you're really good at this stuff.
The version of like what women did for that, but for men.
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Yeah.
So, like, sell the hot husband dynamic where, ladies, it would be beneficial to let your husband sleep with other.
Go for it, Sean.
Let's hear it.
Let's get a six-year-old or something.
It's kind of difficult because that's what I do in real life.
I like to already do it requires a lot more prep work and a lot of more propagandizing to my narrative in order for that to work.
I definitely don't come at it as a position of I want to be buck nasty out here and it's just a sexual thing.
I actually try to bring her into why I'm doing it on an emotional and physical level.
Okay, let's hear it.
Okay.
Okay, okay, pro role play.
Go for it.
Yeah, let's let's pretend, you know, on the uh, hold on.
Avila.
Oh, hold on, man.
This is going to be good.
Hold on a second.
Okay, okay.
Don't put me on the spot.
Let's go.
I love spending time with you, Sean.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay, I love spending time with you.
It's been so great.
Yeah, I enjoy it too.
I mean, I think we have good vibes and good energy.
Wouldn't you agree?
Yeah, it's been awesome.
Come on, give me a tip.
You got to save things.
Elon Beast.
I'm getting kind of serious.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, I need to say that.
Yeah, you got to try to lock them down.
Oh, this is that convo.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
So, yeah, things have been getting kind of serious.
Yeah.
You know, life is serious.
I think I always take that.
So do you.
That's what I think is a good quality in you.
Let's go.
All right.
All right, Pearl.
Get back into the game.
Let's go.
Get back into the game.
Yeah, but you know, I'm just wondering, like, what, what are we?
Are we together?
Well, one of the important things about our relationship and the time we spend is: have you enjoyed the time we spent together?
Yeah, it's been great.
You've taken me out on all these great dates.
I love like hanging out with you.
I think we have great chemistry.
I think it's been amazing.
Yeah, right.
It's almost like no downside.
We haven't even had arguments like that.
That's why I say communication is key.
And I always communicated to you that my life is different in the way I live it, right?
Would you agree?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I know that.
Like, you know, you're, you just met like where you live and stuff, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Wait, what'd you say?
Excuse me.
You just met like where you live, you know, like you live a little different.
You get to work from home.
Yeah.
I don't even work anymore, you know?
So that's the magic.
And I think for the majority of our time together, I've always attempted to pour positive, beneficial information and assistance to you.
I've always supported you, right?
So one of the things about us having this relationship is that I live my life according to my own terms.
No one else designs how our life is going to be.
I don't live like that.
And so how do you feel about our relationship and the direction it's headed right now?
I mean, it's been great, you know.
Exactly.
I would say the same thing.
So when it comes down to how I have an experience, I think it's important to realize that we have a strong connection and a strong bond.
Yeah.
And I have many strong connections and strong bonds.
Many.
Well, what is that?
Like there's other girls?
You're seeing other people?
Well, we all see people, right?
We see people when we go outside.
But on a serious note, on a serious note, right?
Like, let's get back to it.
You know, I'm just messing with you for a bit.
But on a serious note, I've always told you that I remain open on my side.
I just don't like ultimatums.
I won't be told what to do, period.
Does that mean I don't care for you?
That doesn't mean I won't be honest.
Everything I've told you about myself, I've been completely honest from day one, haven't I?
I told you this from the day we met.
I'd rather be honest about my life.
I don't really remember those words exactly, you know.
Okay, well, let's go over it.
This is why these conversations are important to get clarification, right?
So we can communicate, right?
So this is the perfect conversation that we need to have.
And so if you don't remember, right?
Or possibly when I went over it, you didn't understand.
Let's talk about it now.
Yeah.
And so my experience, I've always had, are you still there?
Connections kind of messing up.
Yeah, she's frozen.
I wonder if she'll come.
Man, Sean, you have like a natural gift for this, dude.
Straight up, man.
It's bulletproof, dude.
It's bulletproof.
Sorry, I left.
I just got a couple of girls.
Shut up.
Sorry.
Okay, here's just.
I just got a little emotional.
That's okay.
You know what?
You know what?
I really respect that about you is that when you do get emotional, you have the intelligence, the emotional intelligence to understand when you're emotional.
And when you can disengage from the conversation, to decide to come back when you're ready and balance.
So I really do appreciate that.
You've seen people who, when they get emotional, the conversation goes left and it's not very productive.
It's very toxic.
So I appreciate that you did that, really.
Are you ready now so we can continue?
Yeah, I'm ready.
One of the important things is that I want you to understand that while we're in this relationship, yeah, I'm going to have other people that might be potential partners.
I've always lived my life like this.
Now, I will have the complete transparency that I had with you before.
I don't want to be a person who lies to the people I care about.
I always tell the truth.
And so I want you to understand that that's how I live.
Now, I can understand if that's not for you.
This is something that I'm not forcing on you.
You have the opportunity to say, you know what?
I had time to think it over and that's just not my life.
And I accept that.
We'll still be cool.
You know, I'll see you.
I'll say hello.
We'll still be connected because we had such a great time with each other.
But I just want you to understand how I live.
And I want you to just think it over because this is very important to me.
Well, does that mean like how many?
Like, is there a ton?
No, I mean, let's say for a scenario, I had a situation before where it was just two.
Both of the girls knew each other, they didn't have a problem with each other.
But one thing I won't do is say that I'm with you only, roll over, and swipe on Tinder behind your back.
I don't live that lifestyle.
You can't beat me up, anyways.
So I'm really just actually not scared of you.
I'm telling you the truth because I care.
Well, I guess this sounds amazing.
Now, see, come on.
This sounds amazing.
I'm going with it, right?
Wait, so what are what happens?
What are the options?
Like, what do the girls do when you give them talk?
Most of the time, the girls actually say they appreciate me being honest.
They hate like somebody lying.
That's not easy.
They never heard those words usually from a person.
And then also, I actually paint the picture, which is true.
I'm not doing it so I can go out and have, like, I'll give you an example.
One girl was like, well, my guy, he goes out and sleeps with, let's say, pay-for-play.
I'm like, could you imagine that?
Like, I don't want to be, I'm not going to be with you.
And then just doing stuff on the side with pay-for-play individuals, right?
Like, would you prefer me to get myself involved with something like that versus somebody you know yourself that's a good person?
And so most girls are just wanting to know, like, what does it look like?
Are you paying for play?
Are you going out here having a plethora of a bunch of girls?
But watch this.
This is the more most important part.
In the relationship, when I first met her, I wasn't quick to get her to the bed.
She wanted to have sex with me, but I didn't do it with her.
So she knows I usually take my time with vetting a female and getting to that level with a female.
So they're not like just saying, oh, okay.
And they know that you'll protect them to some degree.
Yeah, I'll protect them.
And the most important thing is I'll just tell them the truth.
Like, I'll keep it real.
I'm not going to hide anything.
Like, nothing's going to be like, oh, I found a message.
Like, my phone's open.
Like, they already know what it is.
All information is transparent.
It's a very different experience.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so usually they did just want to think about it.
Yeah, because most women have been lied to about it.
I could see.
Exactly.
Yeah, I could see that.
Most have been lying to about it.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Avillows.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Well, that sounds great.
Now, listen, I don't want you to just say that sounds great.
I get it.
I want you to take time and think about it.
And if you have any questions, so we can come back and just talk about it.
It's not a done deal, cut and dry situation.
You know, my mind is where it is.
It's fixed on the matter, but I love having a conversation about it and letting you think about it yourself, not just pushing on you in one conversation and so one and done see, you know.
So anytime you want to talk about it, just sit down or just say, hey, tap me on the shoulder.
Let's have that talk again.
And we can have it.
Nice.
Doug, MPA, you got any questions?
Are you taking notes?
Oh, yeah.
You know, haven't you?
You heard the keyboard, the keys typing this whole time, taking notes.
My, I'm going to be honest, my experiences have not been that.
My experiences have been broken windshields, slash tires.
X is finding out where I work, chasing off other women.
Like, you guys have experiences.
Why don't you?
Do you want to give me your breakup?
Do you want to break up with me?
And like, maybe we could see how it could be improved.
Who?
Me?
You, yeah.
You want to break up with me?
Show me how you do it.
I'd be like, okay, okay.
First, first, I would call you to say, hey, Pearl.
Hey, how's it going?
Today has been so busy, but I needed to sit down with you and talk to you.
Are you near Starbucks by chance?
No.
No.
Well, I'm going to meet you at Starbucks over at so-and-so.
It's super important we chat.
Okay.
What's it about?
Beep, beep, beep.
Okay, so then we go to Starbucks.
No, no.
Then you go to Starbucks and you're like, where the fuck is he?
And I just, that's it.
That was our conversation.
Oh, you don't show up?
Depends.
Okay, it depends.
There's levels to ghosting.
That's what I wanted to say.
Yeah, let's go.
Let's talk about levels.
Okay.
Example.
Wait, Hold on.
Before you start, what is your general opinion on ghosting?
It's if you're a man and you're able to do it and you're able to use it as a tool, I say use it.
Not all men can ghost, by the way.
Like that's why I'm like, if you can ghost, but for a legit, like legitimate reason, I don't purposely go out of my way, but like I have accidentally ghosted on dates.
But like, I'll give you an example.
Early ghosting, that's 100% acceptable.
No man should ever feel bad.
If you take a woman on a date and at any point during or after she's asking for money, whether it's from you or you go home, you're like, oh, that was a good date.
And then you see them post online, like, oh, I need money for tires.
Please send.
You know, that's a red flag.
No ghost.
There's no reason to explain why you're leaving to a woman like that.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
What do you think about like a six-month relationship?
Ghosting.
Yeah, I still say if it's a year and under, yeah, ghosting should be a lot like it's acceptable.
Over a year, though, I feel like you should probably move your shit out first, then take her out to dinner.
And at dinner, you know, pay for dinner.
And when you know, she's leaving, you stay in the building, but you walk her to the door.
Hey, you know, it's not working out.
I moved my shit out.
Have a good day.
And then, like, so what's led to more windshields being broken and cars being flashed?
Ghosting relationships.
No, but which one has led to more ghosting or telling them why you're leaving?
Which one's telling them why?
See, that's why you ghost negatively.
Always.
Every time.
It doesn't matter.
Like, I think the last one of the last ones ended up in court and they wanted spousal support.
I'm like, what?
What?
A girlfriend?
Yeah.
And we weren't even getting.
And then, you know, the judge threw it out.
But like, it was ridiculous because you're like, what?
Why are we here?
And obviously, I got a lawyer and I don't mess around.
But it's like, why are we even here?
How long?
How long were you together?
The one she asked for?
That was off and on.
So it was kind of like shot myself in the foot on that one.
Off and on for a couple years.
Okay, so that was all right.
That's so crazy.
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
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If a woman leaves, never take her back.
Right?
That's obvious.
But a lot of men will because they're desperate.
Or it's like, oh, well, you know, they said this.
And usually when a woman's coming back, nine times out of ten, they're looking to come back and do some sort of revenge.
So it's always better to just cut your losses.
What do you think, Sean?
About what he said.
About what he said?
Yeah.
I mean, if the hoe is crazy, I definitely say do what he said.
Like he's talking about slash tires and stuff.
You want to lay low.
Well, she took you to court.
You can see it too.
Well, yeah.
But you can see it.
You can see it too in the early stages if you're paying attention.
Because, like, for me, here's the thing: my experience has been, I guess, it's different than the average.
But for me, it's always like they want to know, oh, where have you been?
I want to see your phone.
Who you been talking to?
I'm like, Jesus Christ.
Like, get off of me.
And it's like, at times, when you get when you have girlfriends or spouses that are doing that, you're like, dude, I might as well cheat.
Like, at least there'd be proof.
So you'd be like, yep, I did.
Sorry.
Bye.
But yeah, I think also people could, you know, girls could get crazy later.
So it's not always about like your filter could be.
But I think a lot of signs show up from the jump, like from the beginning in outskirts.
It's not like I never met those girls, Pearl.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like, oh, all the girls I ever met been wanting to give me the box every day.
Like, nah, that's not true.
I met girls who try to dish it out, like, you know, trophies.
They're probably just learned from early, like, okay, you do, and you live like that.
You're probably not a good match for me.
Disney sold men a lie.
And what I think, like Myron, for example, I know, Pearl, you've been on, you've talked to Myron and you've been on there.
He, his advice, I guarantee has saved men.
Guarantee it.
Because there hasn't been a platform.
There hasn't really been a platform until the last, what, five years for men to go, oh, you know, my girl's acting like this.
Let me go watch this video.
And some guy will sit on there or, you know, or on here, whatever.
And they'll say, okay, here's why she's acting like that.
Maybe it's like, maybe it's that you cried in front of your girl.
Now you have to like, I don't know, you got to like go work out and man up and like prove you're not a bitch.
But but there wasn't like a not a to-do list, but like a Google area where you could like, okay, my girl's acting like this.
I got to know what's going on.
So a lot of men grew up ignorant over the last like 20 to 30 years.
And I think you're going to see huge awakening in the next two, maybe 18 months.
What are signs early on that a girl will crash out later?
Well, how early?
Like, I meant you said that there's stuff that you missed if you're really paying attention.
First, first few dates are huge.
First few dates, because a woman will, I've, I've learned women will use multiple masks if the first one doesn't work.
For example, you take a girl on a date and you stay very aloof, you don't answer a lot of questions, you ask questions, you like pivot, right?
And you don't give a lot.
Pay attention the second date because she will put on a whole different mask to try to see if she can either provoke you or draw something out of you.
And if you, it's it, and you can tell who's there for like money, usually in the dates right away.
Because I pay for the dates, but but at but at the same time, I'm not going to take you to like $300.
But I think he said, Pearl, what it didn't you say, brother, that she was like asking to check your phone and stuff like that.
Didn't you say that?
Yeah, when I was in there, not on the dates, but early in relationships, I've had, I've woken up in the middle of the night and like I try to keep my work computers separate from personal computers.
And I've woken up to like a girl used barbecue sauce on wings to try to figure out my password on my computer and get into it in the middle of the night.
And I'm like, yeah, you got to go.
Like, get the hell out.
But like, but that's what I'm saying.
But she, but the explanation is like, well, I thought you were talking to someone.
I thought, you know, you're like, geez, like, I'm work.
I work.
That's all I do.
You see, Pearl, you see how different it is when you come and say, I am talking to another girl.
Like, yeah.
So, I always say, once again, the especially as you get older, you know, women, the women that try to take away your two superpowers: being able to walk away and being able to determine how if she's your girlfriend, fiancé, or wife.
As you get older, women right away will try to take those powers away from you.
So, so what are we?
Like, you know, I'm not just gonna be some side girl.
I need to be your girlfriend, I need to be your wife.
And they're talking about the, or they start giving you a schedule.
So, you know, any guy that's going to be with me, you know, they better marry me within a year or something like that.
They keep trying to, if they start doing that right off the bat, just ghost her, guys.
Within six months, every girl, every girl I've dated within six months tries that.
Almost every girl.
So, tries to push the whole, you know, we've been dating, we should get married.
And my rule is like, I will try to give it a year before I will officially date you, like, officially date you, and then two to three years before I'll actually propose.
Because they can't, women, especially modern women with TikTok, can't keep the mask up as long as they used to be able to.
They used to be able to keep it up for like two years.
Now it's like six months, a year.
They'll freak out.
But I think your channel, Pearl, at least, like, shout outs to all the other platforms, even the one he mentioned.
But the one thing I like about your platform, it kind of digs deeper than just like, you know what I'm saying, surface level, RP and the management.
It was very surface level.
It was like either this or that, traditional or liberal.
And I mean, just even your whole battle with conservative, you know, conservative ladies, like that uncovered a whole side.
Like, here's the mask, right?
These people are doing the responsibilities to an extent, right?
But it's still another game.
And that's what I like about yours because it dives deeper and it actually unmasks the whole thing.
It's almost like the manipulated man by what's her name, Esther Velar.
Like, that's how deep it goes.
It shows you the whole entire thing.
But you guys are like Morpheus outside the matrix, but still playing to the prophecy.
Like, Pearl's, she's a woman.
And that's, I'll be honest, we see a lot of men's perspective nowadays.
It's not as often we see women's perspective.
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And it's well, if it is, right?
It's like, hey, I'm a housewife.
Yeah, here's my tip, by the way.
This is what you and watch this.
This is what you need to do.
This is what you need to do as a male who's going to be conservative for X, Y, and Z. Pearl is more like, I don't know.
I'm not giving you advice.
I'm just telling you what the real is and do with it as you may.
And I think that people don't know how to respond to that.
You just get to a certain age.
You're like, you can't change anybody.
I'm not talking about Pearlie.
It's Pearl is descriptive, but not prescriptive.
Yeah, there we go.
Because here's the thing: men, men, we are creatures of action.
Okay.
Us red pill channels, we can say, oh, don't get married, don't have kids, but they're in my lifetime.
There isn't going to be a scenario where the majority of men don't get married.
You just have to know what you're getting into.
We want to see less guys taking themselves out after divorce.
We want more guys to have a plan if she leaves.
This whole thing where like a woman plans a year or two in advance before she gets divorced.
I want the guys to see the signs.
Like Coach Greg Adams says, the signs.
The minute she says divorce, go down to the court and file for paternity and file for custody of your kids.
Be the first one to file for divorce.
No, okay.
So hold on, I went through that process.
Depends on the state for sure.
Because I'll give you an example.
I was in the military and I came back and I knew divorce was coming, right?
I already knew like we were separated.
My attorney was like, Do not file first.
Go ahead and let her file first.
One, it cost a bunch of money.
So it wasn't really worth spending the money when we were going to file.
And two, let's say I filed first.
I wasn't established and it would have hurt me in court.
So what we did was he filed immediately, which we knew was going to happen.
And during the few months where she had 100% custody, because it defaults when you file, it defaults custody to one parent.
But that custody time doesn't affect your actual custody.
So men, if you're not going to file first, or you can't, let's say it costs too much and you know she's going to file, you let her file.
You take those two months and you focus heavily on getting your own place, setting yourself up for success.
So when you walk in the courtroom, you say, well, judge, here's what I've done.
Here's what I have.
I'm ready to go.
50-50.
You know, I don't see a problem.
Because what happens is it forces the other person to pivot.
Well, this is why they shouldn't have it.
And then the judges don't like that.
If a guy goes into court willing to fight for his kid, even if you didn't file first, right?
Just the action of you going in and fighting gives you kind of like a the judge goes, okay, this guy's actually willing to fight.
So let's hear him out.
Not saying it's going to work because you should always get a lawyer, but just be careful about which state you're in.
Well, I guess in that situation, you would have wish you would have ghosted that person.
This is perfect for the divorce documentary.
Marriage, marriage is the one.
Here's the thing: marriage is the problem.
Men just get shafted.
Once it defaults to 50-50 custody, no alimony, no child support, unless there's a reason, right?
Like, let's say you're a millionaire and she's not, obviously, they might have to do something there.
But the marriage won't come back until you see 50-50 custody and the alimony thing solved.
So, okay, I talked to someone from Europe where they actually get 50-50 custody.
And he actually said that I should stop recommending it because he got 50-50 custody.
And he said, You just become a babysitter for the wife when she wants to hang out with her boyfriend.
Not if you demand 50-50 week on, week off.
And most people don't.
Okay, well, I'm just going to, I'm going to, let me finish.
And then he said, the woman also is constantly in the kid's ear and trying to turn the kids against you.
And so they come over and they just don't listen to you because the mother is constantly talking about you and you're not constantly talking about her.
And it got to the point where he said he gave up custody.
He said, either give me the kids or you can have them.
And this dude gave up custody because he just said it was like he just wasn't going to like be a slave to this woman.
And yeah, I didn't really have any thoughts either way, but I was curious you guys' thoughts on that.
I know more situations.
Look, listen to 80% of the time when a man can get alimony and child support, he doesn't file for it.
It's the same thing with saying bad things about your child's mother to your children.
Like there are plenty of guys who should just tear their ex-wife to shreds in front of the children, but they just don't do it.
Women have no qualms.
They have no qualms.
And in fact, there's a social infrastructure in place to encourage women to do it.
Pearl, Sean, what do I always say is the female-friendly version of the story?
What is it?
Where she's the hero and the victim at the same time.
At the same time.
And they'll use any actors To play in that story, even the kids, your family, her family, her work, everything.
It's a big movie to make her look like the victim and you the villain.
The biggest part about that, Doug, is the majority of people who's going to do it with her is men.
Other men are going to sell you out down the river because they're going to fall into her goddamn story in the narrative.
I think when it comes down to what you just said, bro, I don't know, man.
What are you going to say?
My advice would be try to keep one hand on the wheel.
And the reason why, look at Elon Musk as an example.
I'm not, obviously, it's the far end example, but like culture shifted so much that men have to look at their children as gold.
Children are investment.
Those men having children today, their children will own the future in 80 years.
And that's how they have to look at it.
Because I'm black, I think a little bit differently on that.
Let's go.
I think, I think, like, I was telling somebody yesterday, the order is no longer man, women, kids, or God, excuse me, God, man, women, and kids, and stuff like that, right?
The order is kids, dogs, cats, women, God, and men.
No, come on.
Women first.
It's women first.
Oh, you know, no, no, you know, women love some dogs and some cats and some kids.
Yeah, but you don't take care of them.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Because remember, Sean.
Okay, so let's put women almost 75% of abuse towards children and the elderly.
I forgot.
I forgot.
Women could take out kids too.
So, all right.
Women first.
Dogs, cats, kids, God, man.
Yeah.
And so, and rocks and stones, you got to put that in there because I would be curious if Pearl.
So, NetNet, you're powerful, like, walk away.
Like, I know it sounds bad, but kids can be exiled too.
Like, I know it sounds crazy.
You say, oh, I can't do that.
See, this is where they get you.
This is where all the control comes from.
You have no ability to walk away.
I take your kids from you.
I take your soul from you.
So you have to be able to.
Elon Musk, even Elon Musk himself, he has the kid that transitioned.
He just washed his hands.
It's nothing he can freaking do.
He sold all his worldly possessions to not be the evil capitalist.
And guess what?
He's he, it, whatever they want to be called.
That thing said, hey, look, I still don't like you.
And so at the end of the day, the best thing you can do as a man is walk away.
Look at your pops.
Your pops had a second family.
Stop acting crazy.
He had a whole family on his side.
So at the end of the day, you can have many kids.
You have the ability to do that.
So just walk away and wash your hands sometimes.
Here's the thing.
It's still so bad that, like, you know, what's one of the tropes I can't stand that still goes on in popular media is the Forrest Gump Warfare from Star Trek thing where a woman has a man's child,
doesn't tell him about it, tells him about it seven, eight years later, and then society is going to critique how he is a father and tell him he needs to be a father and how to do it when the woman kept the kid from him for seven to eight years.
Facts.
Why is that still a trope?
Why is that still happening on sitcoms and comic books on movies?
It's still this thing.
And we still actually, I got one better for you because it's evolved from that trope into a new trend where women are just killing their own kids.
And that's what I was going to ask Pearl if she was going to do a video on that because that's happening almost a weekly basis.
We're getting new articles of like women just unaliving their kid because the dad finally got 50% custody, and it's just like it blows my mind.
It's just hard to wrap my head around it.
Yeah, the woman that put her kid in a dumpster and then went and did a play literally killed her kid and then went and performed in a school play.
Or the one that like sent her husband to the store, killed her two kids, and then like tried to off herself and failed.
It's like it's getting it's becoming a trend because it's happening so much.
Wait, Pearl, doesn't in most households in America, they have fathers.
Majority.
I didn't.
Okay, but don't think you don't think you lost because of that.
What I'm trying to, what I'm trying to point at is: if right now in society, we say men are in a weak position, right?
And we often say that you got to realize whether your father was at home or not, the guys who had a father at home, mostly like their mom was still in chief and command.
Yeah, they were still controlling the household.
Like that is literally almost a marriage.
Like a woman usually controls the power inside the household.
She is the one in charge, the commander-in-chief.
So when you're like, oh, I didn't have my father, it's like, bro, you would have saw your father get cut to shreds, death by a thousand concessions.
Yeah.
And you would be hailing.
That's what I saw with my dad.
So exactly.
Old dads are like that.
So what is your debate?
What example is he leading?
So in the world, we have mostly Simpson white knights because they learned from their dads to be compromised.
His dad got on his knees and begged the woman so he could pay for her and die for her.
Like, what kind of shit is that?
That's another thing.
Women are mad, right?
Right now, women are mad that men aren't like chasing them.
But men realize, like, we're not going to pay your bills.
We're not chasing you to pay your bills.
Even if we catch you, I'm, you're going to, good luck getting money out of me.
Good luck.
I'm a cheap bastard.
So I don't think they're really mad neither.
They're just chatting.
They're always just propagandizing the airways.
They're not really mad.
They really don't care.
They're propagandizing the air.
But bro, they don't care about that.
Life's getting more expensive, though.
No, they don't care.
They don't care about young boys being homeless and they're children.
They don't care, period.
Y'all guys keep thinking they really care about you.
They do not.
And anyways, they'll use the state in order to do a supplement against you.
Like they really don't care.
I think that's coming to an end.
Within 18 months, I guarantee you that's coming to an end.
Good luck.
I'm going to say one thing about the father and the mother thing.
So I was not going to pro about this earlier.
What you see in society is women have inflicted emotional, mental, monetary trauma on men, children, and society, right?
And women think that they can control the outcomes.
It's like if I were to punch Sean in the face, I'd never do it because he's my boy, but say, Sean, I hit you in the face and say, Sean, don't get mad and don't hit me back, right?
If most households, like women, not literally, but are figuratively punching their husbands in the face, hitting them multiple times.
And the husband loves the wife so much that he doesn't do anything back.
She gets to control the outcomes of inflicting trauma upon her husband and the children.
That's what a lot of children see.
They see their dad just getting abused.
And he loves her so much that he doesn't do anything about it.
That's what I'm saying.
There needs to be like in school, like at a young age, there needs to be training for women and men separately.
That's the only way we're going to bring it back because it took 30 years for them to break the culture down.
It's going to take years to bring it back.
It's just not going to come back.
Sorry.
Yeah, no, man.
Like, I think that a low point could be reached where women realize, you know, I'm not this trying to be a man stuff isn't for me, but that's going to be long after I'm dead.
Here's the thing: the low point will be when enough men say, you know what?
This.
We're changing the law.
And they start repealing stuff.
Yeah, but that legislation that's 20, 30 years, but still, that's still within our lifetime.
I don't know.
I don't think so.
Those guys won't even be saying they guys.
They'll be wearing dresses.
I know.
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One of us might have kicked it by then.
You never know.
And here's the thing: when you started having Muslim feminists, we're cooked, dude.
Yeah.
All right, guys.
Thanks for calling.
I think this is a great show.
So I appreciate the callers.
You guys are great.
Awesome.
Yeah, any final thoughts on ghosting, Doug MPA?
Yeah.
If you're in a, you have to earn the ability to ghost women, guys, ghost them.
And yes, you should think about all the times that you got ghosted when you were young and channel that spite, channel that rage into ghosting women.
Yeah, for me, six months.
Um, personally, I would say my final thought is I think six months, it's a little diabolical.
Um, up to a year, I could okay, fine, up to a year.
But that to me, anyways, thanks for coming on, Doug MPA.
All right, guys, um, I really appreciate you watching.
And um, if you liked the show, let me know in the comments.
I thought this was it's low viewership today, but it was kind of fun.
Okay, I'll tell you my um, my gym membership that I'm very excited about.
So, as you know, I'm having to switch gyms because I am my basketball court.
So, I've been testing a few, and one of them, this guy, there's like a trainer gym, and the gym it's like personal trainers share this gym, so you only get access to it if you're like booking stuff with the personal trainers.
And essentially, the way this guy does his business, um, he doesn't have to pay for a gym, so he offers like group classes, and it's like I don't know, five like classes, I think you get to pick from a day.
And I pick the 7 a.m. one, and no one else shows up to that except me.
So, I essentially get personal training four days a week for 400 bucks a month, which is pretty cheap for personal training, like gym membership and the personal train, all 400 bucks a month included.
And they give you his wife does the nutrition, so you can actually get um, and you get your VO2 like max done.
I don't even know what that means, I haven't done it yet, but I'm going to gotta head out, but thanks.
Yeah, personal training is code for some.
No, it's not okay.
Look, his wife does the nutrition, his wife's there.
Do you know what I mean?
It's not okay.
Stop it.
All right, anyways.
Anyways, you know, the amount of personal training jokes I've done on this channel, I deserve that.
So, whatever.
Anyways, guys, um, like the video and subscribe to the channel.
Um, You know, let me know what you think in the comments, and I'll see you