Piers Morgan’s debate with Nick Fuentes exposed contradictions—Fuentes claimed "victory" despite hostile backlash, dismissed Holocaust discussions as political, and framed celibacy as misogyny ("women are gross") rather than faith. Andrew Tate’s appeal hinges on performative masculinity sliding into brazen sexism, like mocking women’s dating choices while Fuentes’ followers unleashed racist, anti-Semitic threats. Generational distrust in institutions (Iraq War, 2008 crisis, COVID) fuels such figures’ callousness, yet their loyal fanbases suggest deeper societal frustrations over status, trauma, and perceived betrayal—where outrage often masks unresolved grievances. [Automatically generated summary]
I might have pushed the stream till the morning because I got really sick.
And I got, oh my God, I felt like dying yesterday.
I don't know why.
I almost thought I got strep.
You know, I want to make sure we're live because I let this stream be scheduled, I think, for 24.
I was like, I am so.
Oh, is this not live?
I don't see it.
What did I do wrong?
What did I do?
Edit.
is it private um what am i doing wrong I mean, I'm sure I messed this up.
If you guys are seeing this on, where are you seeing it from?
Because I see it says I'm live.
It says, okay, on Twitter, it's live.
I don't think I'm live on YouTube.
Don't know if I'm live on YouTube.
let me go into the studio oh i am live Oh, it's private.
Here we go.
Make it public.
There we go.
There we go.
I do apologize.
Now that YouTube's coming in, you see it on X.
I do apologize for the people that watched yesterday.
And we're, I think I scheduled this two days in a row.
I just felt awful.
I just felt awful.
I felt like I was dying.
So today we are going to be reacting to Pierce Morgan and crashing out on Nick Fuentes.
Now, as you guys know, I had Nick Fuentes on the show and he was a pleasure, you know.
Unfortunately, when I had Nick Fuentes on the show, everybody crashed out on me for having him on.
But now everyone and their mother's having him on.
Everybody's having him on.
All right.
So last week I covered Pierce Morgan crashing out on Nick Fuentez.
Now we're going to watch the aftermath of everybody arguing if Nick Fuentez basically was interviewed the right way.
Let me pull this.
This weird scissor replacement.
I'm sorry if I'm low energy.
I am just, this is just not.
This has not been my week.
All right.
Let's react.
You love my hair?
Thank you.
I'm getting used to the bangs.
I don't know if I'm styling them right, but also, guys, anyone that's been following my fitness journey, I hit my lowest weight, I think, since high school today.
I got sick, so I've barely been eating.
But hey, it still counts.
That's called a calorie cut.
That's called a calorie cut.
So my goal is, I don't know if I want to say how what weight I am.
I used to be embarrassed about my weight.
I'm not really embarrassed anymore.
But I don't, I get my feelings hurt sometimes.
So if I tell you guys my goal weight, people always are, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to, I'm going to tell you.
All right.
So my goal weight is I want to be 155 pounds.
But when I say that, because I'm six feet, people are always like, oh, well, you should be 130.
And I'm like, bitch, I can barely get to 150.
I want to be like 150 to 155.
That's like the range I want to hit.
They're like, oh, wait, you should be 120, 130.
I'm like, all right, I'll just go.
You know, you know, it's like how I'm going to brag.
Fuck it.
Fuck it.
This is my show.
My show.
You know what's great?
In the real world, you have to care about what you say because otherwise, all right.
This was me at the gym yesterday.
We're going to share.
We're going to share.
Yeah, I was 185 for a long time.
But I was always like an athletic 185.
All right.
So that's me at, we're at 163.
Well, 162.8.
What do I say to men that like a little bit of chub?
Well, you're probably black.
So I'm six feet.
So I was debating.
I'm like, how much, what body fat percent do you think I'm at?
Because I did a scale when I was like eight pounds heavier and it said I was 22% body fat because I'm high muscle.
But Chat GPT said I'm higher than that.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm trying to get to, I'm thinking, I want to get to 19% body fat, which I looked up was like 150 to 155.
But then people, you know, I was asking on Twitter and I'm like, well, what, what should I get to, guys?
And then here, let me let me show you guys.
Then the comments, they come back and they say, you know, mid 130 pounds.
And I'm like, 135?
I'm already so hungry now.
I'm already starving.
Well, okay, and this is the other thing.
Then people come in and say, well, that's going to be too thin.
Well, you probably just can't get thin women because I don't think that's too thin at all.
And if it does get too thin, now let's say I start looking anorexic.
Do you know what it'll be easy for me to do?
Gain it back.
Like, do you know how easy it is for former fat people to gain weight?
Oh, my God.
Mackinaw says 130 to 140.
I'm going to be so sad.
Oh my God.
I oh my God.
This is what I mean.
It's like, also, I am going to call you guys, but I like this week has just not been the week.
It might have to wait till after Christmas.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I've been promising this for a while.
It's going to happen.
130 to 135 is good.
All right.
Then I'll just kill myself.
I'll just kill myself because I, you know, I've been doing this fitness journey, and all honesty, honestly, it takes me months to lose 10 pounds.
I'm not one of those bitches that loses 10 pounds in a month.
So, okay, that like, oh my God, if I went to 135, I'm trying to get to 155 by mid to end of January.
that's another 20 pounds.
I've worked so hard.
I didn't even use Ozempic.
I should have.
I mean, she's seen me in spaces taking steps, you know.
I can afford Ozempic.
And if I really got to get to 135, then it might be time.
It might be, you know, I'm going to skip Dr. Phil.
This is going to be like the lowest energy show you've ever seen.
I'm sorry.
I want to, I want to prep it now.
This is going to be bad.
You should leave now.
You should leave.
This is not, I'm kind of sick.
I've had some personal stuff going on.
I'm kind of out of it.
And yeah, you know, I just, this is going to be a bad show.
This is going to be a bad show, but I'm going to do my best.
You're my cousin's friend.
Okay, that does not narrow it down.
Do you know how many cousins I have?
do you have any idea how many cousins I have?
All right.
Um, let's, all right, let's.
Let's react.
Let's stop talking about me, you know.
Let's react to Pierce Morgan.
You're my cousin.
Okay, well, say your name.
I don't think I have a cousin named Nikki.
She was a model as a teenager.
She was 5'9, and they wanted her to be 117 pounds.
She smoked two packs of steaks a day and drank black coffee and apples for years.
yeah that's I can't do that like Like, I love food.
I'm just getting to the point where I can cut sugar.
Abs are visible at 18%.
I think I'm getting close to abs.
I believe that the vast majority of people are a product of their environment.
And if Nick Fuentes, through his own, through his own story about his parents there, and particularly his father, if he grew up in an environment of overt racism, with his father saying, I'm not taking you to certain restaurants because they're associated with black fare, then you can begin to understand why he himself has become overtly racist.
We're so over people, psychoanalytic, like psychoanalyzing is for women.
Psychoanalyzing, that's for women to do.
Thank you to the new member.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
Just and indeed is proud of it.
So to me, it was a very relevant question.
But again, it can't be an ambush if all I'm doing is asking him about a story he himself put in the public domain.
Well, he did introduce it into the public domain with great fanfare and having a great time doing it.
Look, the most powerful role model in any child's life is the same-sex parent.
They write on the slate of who their children are, and they start doing that from a very early age.
And they write on the slate emotionally, socially, in terms of values, thinking process.
So you're quite right to bring that up.
If you want to know who someone is, you need to look at from whence they came.
And that doesn't mean they don't have a chance to alter that when they get other worldviews.
But certainly that's a relevant subject matter that he introduced.
He just introduced it when no one was calling him out or questioning him about it.
That's a boomer thing.
And you can tell these men are run by women.
You know, it's funny.
It came out that Pierce's wife totally embarrassed him online.
Like she was joking about banging other men.
All this like crazy stuff.
And I could have told you that because it's like the mindset they have where they think, you know, you need to push back.
Okay.
Doug MPA told me to go.
He's saying Dr. Phil is dry.
So I agree.
Thank you, Doug MPA.
I was thinking I should have asked you before the show, but I was just feeling a little bit better.
And I'm like, do you know what?
I think I gaslit them for like four hours yesterday and the day before that I was coming on.
I'm like, you guys, you guys deserve an apology, you know.
Inducted the interview was fantastic.
I watched the entire thing and you, you, I think, were.
Yeah.
And so you see, he's got the high tonality in his voice.
I don't know.
Do you, do men raised by women?
Is that what that's from?
The only interviewer so far to really hold Nick Fuentes accountable and not let him get away with a lot of his hateful views.
I love how you played the clips side by side and made him defend it on the record.
So I want to give props to you there.
I thought it was really well done.
And I watched the entire thing and I was trying to decide, similar to you, does Nick Fuentes actually believe these things or is he doing it for the money?
Is it performative?
And I might disagree slightly with you.
I think it's both.
I think he does believe some of these things.
And I think some of it's performative.
I think when he tried to moderate himself, that's performative.
But the more hateful views that, as you mentioned, when the mask kind of slipped, that's what he truly believes.
You could tell that he was trying to moderate himself when, as you were talking about with Dr. Phil, talking about the Holocaust, he said, oh, I believe it was the Holocaust.
You at least six million Jews.
He said that, but then simultaneously claimed that Hitler is cool and that he liked his uniforms and the music and things like that.
I have a good head on my shoulder.
Not that good.
I'll tell you.
I've been humbled recently.
This head is more nutty than I thought.
I mean, you know, I think Nick Fuentes broadly is a sad, insecure man.
I think he's a liar.
I think he's a grifter.
And I think you exposed that in the interview.
Andrew Wilson, what did you think?
Well, I was just watching your previous segment and I thought that the framing there was a little off.
So I've always appreciated coming on the show and letting me get my viewpoints out.
But I do take some issue with your framing.
You did bring up the guy's dad and you said his name.
And when you said it on the air that way, this is a person who has had people attempt to assassinate him.
They have come to his house, shown up at his door and tried to kill him.
And that's on video happening.
And so When you said the guy's name and then try to tie it into racism, I know that you know this, Piers, but the left broadly will do these harassment campaigns.
These harassment campaigns are designed specifically to incite the violence of their many of their mentally illness.
Let me just say that's what they do.
Yeah, let me just say, if I had my time again, I wouldn't have said his father's name, but I would have still told the anecdote.
Yeah, but here's the thing: that's what women do.
Women look at whatever you say and try to use it against you in bad faith.
It's a female tactic.
So when you have men that have the minds of women, it's like they're basically women.
I know.
The simping is insane.
You guys got to stop.
This is getting ridiculous.
Go slide into a redhead that can bang you'd DMs.
Not me.
Not me.
You know, I think people are saying I look good because I've been starving myself for three days.
I felt so sick.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I'm like, yeah, men want what men want what they want, which is thin women.
So because I thought it was really important to Nick Fluent.
The anecdote's not the relevant part.
Well, but the anecdote is relevant when he immediately tried to attack me for ambushing him with a story that he told himself on his show.
I mean, look, if I told a story like that.
That's not what people are upset about.
No, no, I understand this.
They weren't upset about the anecdote.
They were upset that you specifically said the guy's name.
Fuentes has had these assassination attempts on him.
To be clear, if I had my time again, wouldn't have said his father's name, notwithstanding the fact you can find it in two seconds on the internet.
So it's not like it's difficult to find.
But I do think it's important that that anecdote to me was.
Yeah, it's just like, who hurt you?
Right?
I actually was really close to doing light brown hair.
I almost went brunette.
How much more?
I mean, you should have been here in the beginning.
At least eight pounds.
Then I'm going to see if I can lose another 10 after that.
But I'm happy.
If I get to the, if I lose this next eight pounds, I'm a happy camper.
That would be my goal.
That's my goal.
Potentially very relevant to why Nick Fuentes is the way he is about racism, for example, because he was telling a story that cannot be construed, Andrew, any other.
Take better care of yourself, Pearl.
a based woman to show good morality.
I'm a woman.
I can't have good morality.
We got to start there.
I'd choose Pearl over a hot IG model.
You know, you guys say that as a compliment, but you do understand the insinuation.
Like, what if I said, oh, I'd take you over a hot guy?
You'd be like, hey, you know, what if I said, you know what?
I'd take you over a Jim Muscle guy.
I mean, you'd kind of be like, thanks, I guess.
Carnivore, I'm kind of close to carnivore right now.
We'll see how long I can keep it.
Then his father was directing them away from restaurants because of his racist views about the people that go in them or run them.
And it couldn't be seen any other way.
I get that.
Listen, I get the point of bringing the anecdote up, but that wasn't what looked to me like what was making these guys so angry was not the anecdote itself, but the fact that you said the guy's name, referenced it as his dad.
And then, you know, this, this guy's had assassination attempts.
But the story, the story was him telling him.
By the way, hang on.
A lot of the first assassination attempt happened because of the Your Body My Choice thing that he put that tweet out, and people began doxing his address and his family's name.
And that's why they showed up to kill him.
So, the guy's grievance there, I think, is legitimate.
Yeah, but I think it's important that his grievance wasn't just that I named his father, which again is a matter of public record.
You can find it anywhere.
Although I wouldn't have said it if I had my time again, because I don't want to attack his family for the sake of attacking his family.
It was when he tried to frame it as an unfair attack on his family, when I think actually the story that he himself put in the public domain was potentially very relevant to why he is the way he is.
As a journalist, how he was framing it was you're trying, you're bringing this up and name-doxing specifically so that you can rally people into a harassment campaign.
That's how he saw it.
No, but that wasn't, yeah, okay, but just to be clear again, that was not my intention.
My intention was to ask him in all sincerity.
That's like a female thing.
women men care about the results women care about in the intention if you grow up in an environment at home where there is clear racism that you have discussed yourself on your own show very like unarguably you know you can't listen to the clip I played it earlier without realizing that's what he's saying.
Then, you know, is that relevant to the way he is?
Let me bring in Mark Lamont Hill here.
I mean, Mark, you know, I didn't do that lightly.
I had decided before I did the interview that A, I would do a lot of research into this.
I would find all the clips that I felt were the most incendiary things he'd said on the record, and I would ask him and push him about them in a way that I don't think anyone else has really done.
And it would be interesting to see the way he responded.
And, you know, if you're going to.
Yeah, but that's not a good faith interview.
It's like, you know, you're just looking for all the bad things he said.
Like, who wants to have a conversation with someone that says, this is every bad thing you've ever said?
It's, I mean, that's what the left does with cancel culture.
So, Nick Fuentes, who openly admits to being a racist, he did it again with me in the show.
That anecdote to me was pertinent to why he may have shaped those views.
What do you think?
Was it unfair?
I think the anecdote was entirely fair and necessary, particularly since the first part of the interview was very much about his biography.
It was very much about what shaped him.
He himself volunteered information, even in that interview, about his parents, about how they came together, about the loss of their fathers, etc.
All that to me is fair game.
I agree that invoking his father's name in that moment was too far.
I hear you saying if you could do it again, you wouldn't.
Because I do have some ethical and moral reservations about doxing.
I don't think it's wrong, for example, if someone does something awful in public and it's relevant to the public interest to track down their job and notify their job.
But that's not the same thing as tracking down every private citizen just because we think they're racist or sexist or anti-Semitic or homophobic.
I may think you're that thing, but you have a right to be that thing, even though I think it's awful.
And I don't think you should be, I don't think you should live without safety because of that.
Now, there's a bigger question, Piers, that you raised at the top of the interview, and it's come up again in the media.
And that is, should you even be talking to this guy?
And I got to be honest with you, Piers, I've struggled with this.
And we used to live in a society where it's like sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
And now we're debating if we should talk to the guy.
You know, I've actually wanted to tell this story and I know it's going to get clipped.
All right.
When I was in England, I Dated a guy who was not in media.
But because of that, like shit storm of when Nick Fuentes came on, I got dumped.
I got dumped over.
I got dumped over having him on.
Yeah, so you got to be careful, ladies.
This, this channel is not.
Be careful what you sign up for.
This is, if you want to find love, I would not suggest being a YouTuber.
Yeah, I know.
I dated a soy boy.
Well, I don't even think he was a soy boy.
Now you guys are saying, I actually, he was a reasonable guy.
I know.
I know, I know, but I was just like, oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
Interview controversial people.
I sit down with people who people say don't platform them.
You guys are saying you can't get dumped by a beta.
Well, yeah, he had, I didn't really blame him, to be honest, because I was like, do you know what?
This kind of is a like, who wants to date a girl that's like crying because her staff called her racist?
Do you know what I mean?
It's just like, who wants all that?
I mean, a lot of, I love this job, but it does not affect your personal life well.
I'll tell you that much.
And I was warned, right?
I was reasonable.
He was reasonable.
And I was warned about this when I got into this industry.
And there are pros to it.
I will tell you, though, there are pros to it.
So I'm not going to, I'm not going to like go through the, there's pros to dating as a public figure.
But sometimes it's limiting to famous or other streamer people because they're the only ones that get it.
And people not really in this world, they're either fans, which you don't really want to date a fan, or like they don't like the drama.
Like, and that sometimes that's kind of on like your fault as the girl because you shouldn't bring it home.
But yeah, all right, I'll continue.
I take seriously your point that they already have a platform and I'm not making them big.
I'm not drawing attention to them.
They already have the attention.
They're just not being questioned or challenged on that platform.
I concede that point.
I agree with you fully.
The problem with this guy, the problem with Nick Fuentes in particular, though, to me, is he's such a chameleon and he moves in such a way that I'm not sure holding him accountable matters to his base.
And he does just enough to look moderate and normal and reasonable that I think he'll do.
I think Nick looks reasonable all the time.
I don't understand.
Like, I feel like there's a language that happy-go-lucky people speak that non-happy-go-lucky people don't speak.
And I feel like me and Nick, we speak the same language.
So I never really understood why everyone gets there in their panties in a bunch over him.
I never got it.
He'll do more damage by sneaking some people from the middle and dragging them to his side because they think he's reasonable and only later find out that he's a sexist misogynist, Hitler-loving Nazi, right?
Or whatever he is, right?
That's where the danger comes for me.
I'm not saying we shouldn't interview controversial people.
I'm just saying this particular guy, I feel like we're playing into his interests and his angle.
Yeah, well, Glenn Greenwood, welcome back to Uncensored.
You've had Fuentes on your show.
What's your view about that issue, about platforming him at all?
Oh, I don't even, I didn't even consider it to be a difficult question at all.
I mean, if you're going to have people on who are responsible for the invasion and destruction of Iraq based on lies or the incineration of Vietnam or the destruction of Gaza and the deaths of tens of thousands of people and welcome them and treat them like respectable people.
Tell me what it is that Nick Fuentes has done remotely as bad as that that justifies allowing them to come on and speak, but not him.
And whether you like it or not, he does speak for a huge number of people in his generation and even other generations as well who feel the same kind of anger and frustration with the status quo, with the establishment, with the kind of dogma that we've been told we have to accept.
And there's a lot of people who are angry about it and who rebel against it.
And we saw this with Donald Trump on maybe a little bit of a smaller scale, but very much the same pattern.
When Donald Trump appeared, everybody was like, oh, he's racist and fascist and he's the misogynist and he's this and that.
And no one wanted to grapple with the reason why his message was resonating so much.
And to me, it very is very similar to Nick Fuentes.
Say what you want about him.
He's extremely smart, an incredibly talented communicator and very well read.
Like he's very informed.
He's not just some sensationalist babbling on the on the internet.
And I think the reason he has attracted a lot of attention is because he's speaking to the anger and frustration, a lot of which is valid of a lot of people.
And to stick your head in the sand and say, oh, we're going to pretend that this isn't happening because his views are too off.
But the people who start wars or are responsible for the 2008 financial crisis, these are.
Yeah, I always, again, I never understood how you can get so triggered over someone who just has an opinion.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, it's not like he's the guy dropping bombs or doing any of this stuff.
He's just a guy with an opinion.
You know, like, I think abortion is murder, like genuinely in my soul.
But I don't hate pro-choice people.
I just think they have a different viewpoint and opinion.
Our respectable people who we treat with respect, like Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton or whoever, that to me is the kind of thing that I think is really distorted.
Yeah, you know, I, Warren Smith, I'll bring this back to that.
Well, no, let me bring in Warren Smith first and then I'll come back to you, Mark.
You know, Warren, that really is my feeling about it, is that you can let these guys like Fuentes and Andrew Tate run riot and they do already and they have massive followings, millions and millions of young men.
I know when I interview Tate, the number of young men who just come up to him in the street to ask about it is off the charts, more than almost any other guest I ever had.
So we can either pretend this phenomenon isn't happening and Fuentes is a phenomenon, whether people like it or not.
And I don't, you know, I don't hate everything about him.
There were elements of that interview where it was a genuinely quite interesting conversation.
But there were elements which either because he wanted to be performative and shocking and attention seeking, whatever it may be, or because he really believes it, where I felt we saw a pretty dark underbelly of some of his beliefs.
You know, I mean, when somebody just says, I am a racist and then explains, well, this is.
Yeah, it's a generational divide between Pierce and Gen Z. Gen Z, you can't shame them because they've watched boomer and millennial men get shamed and they're kind of done with it, except these soy boys that come on.
Let me play the clip first and come to you.
You're fine with saying you're a racist?
Totally.
I think everybody's racist.
I think everybody, if we're being honest, is racist.
I think everybody, the only people that...
Yeah.
Look, it's like, where does Pierce live?
He lives in a white area.
Like, come on, let's just.
Aren't racist or pretend not to be our white people to their detriment.
Everybody else is racist.
Early in the interview, you went really got aggrieved at the idea that your father was a racist.
You wanted to make emphaticism.
Because my father's.
Because my father doesn't share my same views on that.
So he's the exception to the everyone's a racist.
Yeah, that's the annoying thing is they try to bring your family into it.
Like they always do that with my mom, right?
Because my mom's running for office.
And I don't really think that that's not something I necessarily agree with, right?
Women being in positions of political power.
But, you know, if that's what she wants to do, that's, you know, we have a difference of opinion and she's welcome to do it.
It's a free country.
But what they do is they kind of like, they'll always say, Pearl, your mom, your mom, you're on.
And I'm like, well, you know, that's her.
You know, this is me.
We're different.
Well, everybody's a little bit racist.
I mean, I thought it was an interesting contradiction there, which he was probably calculating in real time that having got so exercised about the idea that his father was racist, you then said, everyone's racist and there's nothing wrong with it, effectively.
But putting that to one side, Warren, I mean, you know, this, this issue of whether you platform somebody like Fuentes who has these inflammatory views, I think we can all agree they're inflammatory, a lot of his views.
You know, is this, am I, by doing it, am I continuing to fuel this phenomenon in a way that is a negative for society?
Or in a free democratic society, you know, should I be entitled to interview who the hell I like?
As long as I do my job as a journalist of holding him to account over these things, let other people work it out for themselves.
No, I think it's totally understandable.
And I agree that you would have him on.
I was in the same position where I was genuinely shocked when I made a knee-jerk response video to something he had said.
I was overwhelmed by the response.
I was like, I had no idea there were this many people out there that agreed with him.
And I had people that I knew actually telling me, no, you're, you're oversimplifying this.
And I actually went back and looked at the same clip and realized I had oversimplified it.
There was actually, I was looking at it.
Yeah, because a lot of times what they'll do is they'll take the most out of context clip of what you've said.
Like they did that to me.
I had a clip that said slavery was embellished, right?
And black people just wanted to crucify me.
What did you mean by that?
And it's like, all right, you guys weaponize that to get whatever the hell you want.
Okay.
So, and but they'll just keep saying, oh, Pearl thinks slavery wasn't that bad.
Like, it's like they would say this.
And I'm like, go fuck yourself.
Come on.
All right.
Going into it without much prior research.
And that actually led to me sitting down with him for an hour and a half.
I think it's important, though, if you want to achieve the ideal outcome, it is important to actually genuinely be trying to gain a better understanding of his reasoning and in his arguments and not just trying to win or embarrass because at the long run, I think that will backfire.
And that yeah, no, he's speaking.
Yeah, because there's that's something I'm good at.
I never go into anything in bad faith.
I'm never trying to make someone look bad.
I'm trying to hear them out.
But if they start like saying stuff I disagree with, then we'll go back and forth.
We'll cause him to become bigger.
I mean, that's an interesting point.
You know, people were asking me, you know, he won, or people said you won.
I said, look, I didn't seek out to win.
I don't seek out ever to win an interview.
That's not the point.
Oh, shut up, Pierce.
Yes, you do.
You ambushed the fuck out of me.
Point of an interview, actually.
What I wanted to do over two hours was A, personally get to know him better because I know nothing about him other than what I've read.
I've never met him.
I've never interviewed him.
I don't really believe that.
Look at, look at Andrew Wilson's not buying it either.
Look at his face.
And B, to go over all these things, which he's notorious for and asking.
Hey, wait, so you know not, let me get this straight.
You know nothing about him.
You know nothing about him.
And yet you ambushed me for having him on.
Yet you know nothing about him.
Yeah.
Work out the correct context, what he really believes, what may have motivated this, and so on.
And I think a lot of that was achieved in the interview.
But it wasn't, you know, I think it very quickly afterwards, you know, when I asked him during the interview, you know, how he felt towards the end, how he felt at the gone, he thought I'd been fair.
He didn't think I'd ambushed him and so on.
He made that clear in the interview.
And yet afterwards, almost immediately afterwards, he comes out full bore on the attack, which is what he does.
But it was in.
He came on the attack.
The audacity of Pierce to say it.
It seemed to me that the reaction from his sort of mob of Groypers was instantaneous and extraordinarily widespread.
They just come as this mob.
And it's very, and it's, you know, if you're not me, who's got a very thick skin, it's a pretty hard thing to get back at you.
Look, I don't care.
I've had a lot worse.
And they'll move on and that's what happens.
But if you're not, actually, it can be very intimidating.
It was very threatening, very racist, very anti-Semitic, very, very nasty, actually.
Like I said, it wasn't scrape the surface with me because I got a skin of a thousand rhinos.
But to other people, I could see it really being a pretty terrifying experience.
Hey, Pierce, can I ask a question about that?
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
They're doing that.
They're doing that too.
Sorry, we're all going to go.
Hang on, hang on, guys.
Totally good ones.
Let me start with Glenn.
Ted, thanks.
Mark, I'm sorry to interrupt.
But the issue is, why does he have such a loyal following?
Why does he have such a large and loyal following?
Now, you can ask that question about Donald Trump, and a lot of people are satisfied by saying, oh, America is just filled with racists and misogynists and xenophobes.
And he's playing into that.
And maybe that is part of it.
You know, politicians do demagogue and play to our worst instincts always, but there was a lot more to it than that.
And I think people understand 10 years later that there is and was a lot more to that.
So you can say, oh, yeah, Nick Fontes has this army of angry young men who are incredibly devoted to him, who believe that he's speaking truth uniquely, because they're also a bunch of Nazis and racists and Jew haters.
Okay, that's an easy, I think there's a lot more to it.
And I think people ought to grapple with the reason why he's speaking for so many people.
No, I think that's a very valid point.
You know, I've always said about Andrew Tate, for example, that a lot of the things he says, I can understand if you're a young, slightly disenfranchised young man who feels society has got it in for you and all you ever hear is man-bashing.
I can understand why you gravitate to a guy like Tate who stands there, tall and proud as a very masculine kind of guy, beating his chest, talking about, you know, taking care of your body and getting fit and being a protector and all these things.
I get all that.
But then he slides into brazen misogyny, which I hate.
Mark Lamont Hill.
Yeah, any guy that says misogyny is getting hen packed at home, he doesn't care about misogyny.
Men don't care about misogyny in the locker room, but they care about misogyny when their wife's in the room, henpacking, nagging.
Bring you in here.
I mean, I just want to, before you say what you want to say, what he said after the interview, Nick Fenton, was Piers Morgan tried his best, but his hardball interrogation made me look even better than Tucker's wildly criticized softball interview.
The regime can acquiesce like Tucker or it can try to resist like peers, but the result is inevitably the same total Groyper victory.
Now, look, you know, on one level, I admire his social media work, right?
He goes on the attack, he gives it full bells, he claims total victory.
It's very Trumpian and it can be very effective, okay?
And he's perfectly entitled to claim total victory and whatever.
And I'm sure all his supporters agree.
But it's interesting that he views me and Tucker Carlson and other people who now do our own shows, whatever, as the regime.
Almost like anybody who's older than him is part of some oncian regime that just doesn't get it.
You know, all his supporters called me boomer, right?
And I was like, I've been called that probably ever.
Okay, I'm a boomer.
I don't know what that means, but it just means I'm an old dude who doesn't get it, right?
And it may be, as Glenn says, there is a more interesting conversation to be had about why these guys get so popular.
And it may be that when I do my old, much like the old school journalistic trick, as somebody put it, of just being quite tough and rigorous with questioning, that it's viewed by young people.
I mean, in a way, Pierce's job is to nag and be a dick.
And that's kind of a woman's job, right?
Women's job is to nag and tone police, et cetera.
But what happened is society is like from it's built by men for women, right?
So all of society is catering to the female dollar.
So people are getting paid to nag.
There's entire industries dedicated to nagging men.
Like, what do you think therapy is?
It's like nagging men's behavior.
People who gravitate to people like these guys as just an old boomer going through the motions.
Perhaps.
I mean, and also I wouldn't assume that because he said that, that he believes it, that he actually believes you're part of the regime or that he believes that one is softball or hardball.
He gives a lot of the characteristics, mannerisms, approaches, styles of a cult leader.
And cult leaders navigate their followers in very particular ways, including re-narrating or counter-narrating events that happen in ways that are favorable to them.
That's why when I said I struggle with whether or not you should have him on the show, I didn't say you shouldn't.
And I didn't say you should.
I genuinely, it's a struggle for me.
Again, as a journalist, I have interviewed despots, killers, you know, people, I mean, genocide movies.
Isn't it crazy that black people are cool with literally interviewing murderers?
But a guy with a talk show that's a little racist is too far.
It's like they're more offended by racism than murder.
Isn't that fucked up?
Like someone could have murdered 10 black people and black people will still hate the racists more.
That's hurt nobody.
And there are days where it feels very clear and obvious why I should do it.
They need to be held accountable.
They need to be forced to answer tough questions.
And I don't put them in it, contrary to what was said, I don't hold them in a different box than I do Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or someone who I voted for, you know, potentially, right?
They all need to be held to scrutiny.
Everybody in power needs to be held accountable.
I'm with that.
My concern in this particular case, though, is that I'm not sure what the net gain is.
I don't know if you really got to know it better him, not because you didn't do a great job.
You did do a great job, but because I'm not sure who the person is behind that persona.
And the question I would ask you, Piers, is if you knew ahead of time that doing this interview would double the amount of people who believed in the worst things that he believes, would you still do the interview?
I honestly don't think that well, I don't think that that is going to be a consequence of it, honestly.
But what I do think is that I don't like generalizing.
You know, when Hillary Clinton called Donald Trump supporters, the MAGA supporters, a basket of adorables.
Do you know what?
That haircut.
Everyone's saying they like my haircut.
Do you know why you see less of my face?
That's what happens when you're chopped.
You cover up half your face and they're like, wow, you look better.
And I've starved myself for a few days.
Not intentionally.
I just felt sick.
Probably lost on that lecture.
When you generalize about millions and millions of people, it's always a very precarious and stupid folly to do that.
What I can say with what I can say with some certainty is that pretty well 100% of his gripers who've directly messaged me or members of my family have been highly abusive, overtly racist, very misogynist, and many of them anti-Semitic.
I can say that with certainty.
Now, what I don't know is how many of those are human beings and how many are from a bot farm, because according to reports in the last two days, a lot of his stuff comes from bot farms.
I don't know if that's true, but that's been reported in various mainstream papers.
And I don't know how representative these ones on X or Instagram are of the total body of his support.
I just don't know.
So, you know, I don't want to generalize or say anything.
Neither do I, Peter.
I don't want to say all Nick Fluenti supporters are disgusting because there may be.
Until Pearl has the life experience of getting married and having kids as she preaches, then not a single soul should take her words seriously.
She's a grifter bullshit content.
Now, I do want to explore this because this is a criticism I get a lot.
I actually think married people have the worst insights.
I actually think there's nobody worse that you could listen to than a married person with kids.
If they married their high school sweetheart, they married their college sweetheart.
I don't want to hear shit about dating from you.
You have no idea what's going on in these streets.
You got lucky.
You dated one, two, three people.
You got lucky.
Now, if I had like a how to raise kids channel, I think I would agree with you.
But in terms of what's happening with the culture and in these streets, oh yeah, I have a good, I have way better insight.
Yeah, I have way, way better, better insight.
And I could say that wholeheartedly.
I could say that definitively.
I could literally say that definitively.
Any married boomer, I know more.
I know more about what's going on in the dating market.
Almost definitively.
Like, it's not even, it's not even close.
And I don't know if I'm as pro-marriage as people think because my view on marriage is it just kind of I think I was at one point.
So I could see why people, I just think it automatically makes men simps because they have to be simps.
And like there's this whole society that shames us into making men simp and like you're doing it wrong if you don't, because automatically, if you get married, she has the leverage.
And like there's all this guilting that you have to give the woman leverage.
It's like, why?
For what?
Thank you.
Thank you, ZZ.
That's so nice of you.
So the prescription, there is a prescription against your argument.
I've looked into it.
And rural areas and county towns have way more families and less divorce compared to the city thought.
That's a terrible idea.
And I can tell you, because when I was single, I dated in the city and in the country.
That's an absolute, unless if you marry your high school sweetheart, I agree with you.
But do you know what?
I would tell a chick, you know what?
You, if you did not graduate college or high school with a guy, go to a city.
Go to a city, go to a the biggest city you can find because there's a lot of men there to choose from.
And now you might say, Okay, well, they're city boys, they don't ever settle down.
Not really true, not really true.
There's lots of men that want to settle down in cities.
You're telling me, in an you're telling me, like the city, like New York women always say that, like, um, you know, dating in New York is terrible.
But I'm like, you're in one of the biggest places in the United States, you can't find one dude that wants to like settle down.
Um, terrible, yeah, now you're gonna say terrible advice, but do you know what?
It's kind of like men in plastic surgery.
I hate hearing what men have to say about like they say they like natural, but you guys are all saying you love my new hair.
That's not natural.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like I don't really like it's kind of like how you guys kind of roll your eyes if women give you dating advice.
That's kind of how I feel about men talking about like way the way women date.
Now, what happens is a lot of men feel that they're higher value in the country because they have more money and they're maybe in the position to start a family.
But women, we like Riz, and you guys keep trying to tell us to not like that, but that's what we like.
We can't help it.
That's we're slaves to our biology.
Um, and the guys in the country just um they don't tend to be the type of guys women want to date.
Yeah, I dated all I wanted and then settled down an appropriate age.
Um, look, there's some married people that dated before they got married, and I think you know, there may be more valid, uh, but you guys, you guys know who I'm talking about.
The married boomers that just do not know what it's like, pearl looking like Carrie, Carrie who they just don't know, they don't, they don't know.
Hold up, you're not a natural red See, it's like move away from the devil's playground and not into it.
Well, you wouldn't know because you've never been a woman dating, you would not know you wouldn't know that.
I mean, look, and that's that's just how I feel about it in the city.
Look, in the country, if you want to go on a date, you are probably going to have to drive 45 minutes on average.
Dating coaches say it takes about 15 dates for a woman to find a man that's attractive.
Now, on this channel, I don't encourage women to sleep with men they're not attracted to because I think it tortures both parties.
I think, I mean, that torture.
So, if that's what women want to do now, in the person you sleep with, you have to see if they commit also, right?
Um, so I mean, in the city, there's just going to be more people, it's going to be like a 30, it's going to be like you can get there in 10 minutes normally.
It's just going to be a lot easier, it's going to be a lot easier.
And I think people that give the outdated advice, I mean, the guys in the city are making more money.
Um, they're going to have more experience with women, so they're not going to be simps.
Uh, you are going to probably take more L's, but I mean, that's life growing up.
You thought you had to give women attention for them to like you back as I got older.
I saw more success when I stopped caring, Yeah, I mean, I am.
If you marry your high school or college sweetheart, stay there.
But I look like a hoe.
Well, I am a hoe.
I am.
All women are hoes.
304 for the right guy.
You know what I mean?
You know, I mean, the right, yeah, the right guy, hoeing.
Yeah.
So you're saying 155, six foot.
I mean, all these basic bitches, you're not hoeing for your man.
You don't, you don't, you don't hoe at all.
Not even a little hoe.
You sound boring or ugly, you know.
Maybe your man's ugly.
You don't want to hoe for him.
So a lot of people, it's a bit like Tommy Robinson.
I'm not saying that.
Let me finish my point.
It's a bit like Tommy Robinson.
Tommy Robinson in the UK, right?
It's a bit like Fuentes over here.
And there's no doubt as the people marching with him have grown bigger and bigger and bigger.
That's crazy.
How did I not get any pushback from Tommy Robinson on?
I really liked him too.
He was cool as hell.
I really liked it.
He was a nice guy.
Yeah.
The idea that they're all fascist, racist, whatever, whatever, is nonsense.
A lot of people are marching for well-intentioned reasons connected with the immigration crisis in the UK, right?
He has bad people as well.
And I think he's a malevolent character.
But again, I wouldn't generalize anymore about all these people that march.
Can I ask you a question, Pierce?
Yes.
Yeah, sure.
I would like to.
I didn't generalize.
Landry coming.
Let Andrew come in.
Okay.
There was a part of the interview where you're very combative and you said you haven't even been laid and you're a virgin.
This guy's a Roman Catholic.
Isn't he supposed to be a virgin until he's married?
Isn't like, isn't it, isn't it?
Yeah, and that's a death sentence for men.
Men, go fuck some hoes.
You need to say, where the hoes at, you know, where are the hoes at?
Because you got to get some practice to find your wife.
I would not be, I would say being a virgin until you're married.
I mean, that's a death sentence for men.
I mean, there's no way you're not going to be a simp.
Having called your hair cute, I do think you resemble a cave troll.
I don't blame you for that I don't know what that is but you know I'll take it Do you know what?
I'm a virgin too.
I'm also a virgin.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Let's go with that.
That's the...
To be fair to him, to be fair to him, that is, I was brought up a Catholic.
I'm not a particularly devout Catholic.
I disagree with a lot of the churches.
But you do agree that Catholics are supposed to remain changed until marriage.
The strict interpretation from the Catholic Church about that is you should.
How come he didn't get shouldn't he get?
So you liked me talking about women don't care about money?
Do you know what it is?
Because my dad, growing up, if he ever didn't like someone I was dating, he would always like, and I know this isn't just me, I'm not special, right?
He would just say, why don't you go for more like money, like more successful guys?
And women, we don't really care about money until we like have to, you know, that's like what every female love story is about.
It's about women being sad that they have to care about money.
Yeah.
My body count 3,000 million.
Yes.
How did you know?
Do you know what?
He wasn't a fan.
I'll just say that.
I'll just say that.
I'll just say, I'll just say, I'll just, I'm not, I don't want to, I'm not trying to trash talk, but you know, I'll just say, not the biggest fan.
Yeah, they don't care about money unless they're struggling with bills.
Yeah.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Women will sell the F out for anything.
Well, that's true.
Women, sorry, women can be bought, but when it comes to who we like to sleep with, I mean, we just don't really care.
What male celebrities?
Um, you're not supposed to answer this question, right?
It's like, they say that women aren't supposed to.
I think I thought Chads were rich.
No, do you know what?
I could be bought for certain things.
Um, it just depends.
What are we talking about?
Like, I did a post for sports betting the other day, and everyone was telling me I was haram because I posted an ad for sports betting.
And I'm like, can I do it again?
If you're an adult and you want to sports bet, that's not my problem.
I would do it again.
I would, I would, I would, I almost wanted to post the ad like three times.
And I don't, I don't really like sports bet.
I'm going to be honest.
But I'm like, I mean, Muslims, I, I'll, I'll, you want, I mean, I don't see anything wrong with gambling.
And this drives, I want to say, this drives competent men insane.
They cannot like stand.
Um, no, I just said I could be, if you have a gambling ad, I will read it for money.
So let's not 53.
My body count is seven by choice, and I'm a guy.
Um, I don't really think it was by choice, and I'm going to be honest.
Now, a lot of men say that I don't sleep around by choice, and I'm like, not really, you just don't like your choices.
Remember, there's young women that turn 18 every year that fit all of the boxes that you guys want.
Now, they do get ruined over time, but I mean, there's women turning 18 every day.
I know guys that a playups and they just keep banging women the same age, and they don't really have the same problems a lot of you guys have.
I'm not trying to say this to be mean, but um, it's like it's you know, you're it's because you didn't like the choices presented.
It's like women say they're single by choice.
Um, Pearl, you're telling women to move to a place that is okay.
So, this is probably, I don't want to roast you too hard, but I want to, I want to understand like the where they're coming from.
All right, you want to say, um, move to a place that is doomed for women.
The women are 304s, and the men are either isolating simps or f-boys.
Countries have 304s, less simps, higher marriage, and higher birth rates.
Well, it's outdated advice.
That worked 50 years ago.
Not now.
All the career opportunities are in the city.
All the men earning the most money are going to the city.
The most charming, the good-looking men, they're all going to the city.
I mean, that's just me being real here.
And it's not that all women are doomed in the city.
There's women that marry every year in the city.
It's just there's like winners and losers.
There's women that win and women that lose.
I mean, anyone that's lived in a city knows there's like, I mean, there's, there's women that get married and find a guy every year.
It is tough, but it's tough because like you're in such a small proximity to so many choices.
That's kind of why people crash out.
I mean, you don't have to make the same choices, you know, the credit for that.
Like, for the idea that he's kind of staying, he's staying within the confines of his religious beliefs.
I have no problem, but he also can't get any action.
But he also self-identifies as an incel.
You know what I mean?
Well, so like, you know, it's crazy.
That's what is a incel is like a container word used to shame men for not being sexually successful.
So it's like, how long does a guy have to be sexless to be considered an incel?
From what I've seen, men are just kind of preoccupied because they don't really like the choices on the table.
Not by choice, that's fair.
I've checked out.
This guy's jacked too.
What the?
Why are you checking out, sir?
Even from women, I think I'm better than.
I suppose you're right with the 18-year-old comment.
Yeah, you got probably just got to learn some Riz.
There's guys that teach that.
I might actually plug one guy because I know he's really good at his stuff and you guys should check out his courses.
And like, I would actually, the Candace Pierce interview just dropped.
I'm going to do that tomorrow.
I still got to cover that coach.
I wanted to do it the last few days, but I was just dying.
I love it.
I'm getting so many supers today.
What did I do to deserve this?
I never get this many supers.
Love your content, Pearl.
Keep it up from Scotland.
Thank you.
I mean, and I'm just, I feel like this is, I said, this is a terrible show.
And how many people are watching right now?
Hold on.
Yeah, 982 people like the video.
I'm doing.
All right.
Okay.
What do I do, Pearl?
I'm a black guy, but I don't fit into the lexicon of black guys, no RINs, RIMS, Chains, Felons, Baby Mamas or BS.
What did I do wrong?
I must be acting wrong.
Yeah, you dated.
If you're dating black women, you got to go to a different race.
The Asians will take you.
The Asians will take you.
Here's what Mark just said.
You see what I mean?
Like, he can't get any action.
The guy is rich as shit and he's a good-looking guy.
He could get action if he wanted it.
And by the way, by the way, hang on, Mark.
I agree with you.
Just like you finish your point.
I agree with you.
What I'm saying to you, though, is this: is that, yeah, of course he could.
The thing is, though, is that if you guys are saying like he's a huckster, he's a fraud, isn't he, in fact, following rigorously his faith by doing that?
So my response to that, I think somebody said, hang on, hang on, Harry.
I think it's what he said.
I want to respond to Andrew.
I think it's a perfectly valid question, particularly as I have always said I'm a Catholic.
I was raised a Catholic.
I had spiritual guidance from Catholic nuns when I was 12 years old.
You know, I go to church occasionally.
I'm not devout.
I'm not there all the time.
I don't agree with some of the.
Okay, so he's a pick and choose Catholic.
It's like, then why even say you're kidding?
Why I don't, I don't really like, you know what?
I always say that I have it in me to be a very devout religious person, but I got frustrated by how bad the advice that churches gave was that's what I was frustrated by, and how much I saw growing up the Bible be weaponized as a tool to control like my dad, you know.
And I just never appreciated that that like happened.
Um, you know, because my mom kind of did that, and I just, you know, seeing that just kind of made me want to like run from the church and just seeing how manipulative it was.
Um, Catholic Church's uh views and policies, and I wish they would evolve faster.
However, you know, as speaking Catholic to Catholic, um, with him, yes, it's a perfectly valid thing that he could say, I am saving myself for marriage, but if that's all he said, fine.
But I would argue that, you know, if you look at him as a Christian, for example, how many of his other views are compatible with being a Christian, right?
His overt racism was correct, his due baiting, his overt racism, the despicable, yeah, but it's like, Pierce, who are you to say that?
Like, who are you to judge him?
You're not the judge in the jury.
You know, there's people that say a lot of fucked up things about you, Pierce.
So what?
Like, why don't we stick to the topic?
That's what women do.
Women want to be the judge and the jury and say how bad of a person someone is.
Men want to talk about the facts, the data, and the statistics.
Way he talks about women generally and so on.
None of those things are what you would categorize as being a good Christian.
So I think you can have dogmatic distinctions with him, and that's fine within the confines of the faith.
But with the points he brought up, when he said women aren't allowed to be clergy, that's true.
They're not allowed to be clergy by the Catholic faith.
And when he said he's saving himself for marriage, he also said he should publish it.
But hang on, Andrew, when he said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote and should stay at home, i.e., should also have jobs.
I don't actually mind women having jobs.
I think most women actually shouldn't stay at home.
Because again, you're kind of putting yourself in a bad position as a man.
And I also just wonder what she's doing all day.
Like, you got to raise the kid.
The Catholic Church does not have dogmatic teaching on democracy.
They're not like, oh, democracy is the standard.
No, no, I'm asking you.
I'm asking you.
I'm asking you whether you think when he says women shouldn't be allowed to vote and should stay at home.
Yeah.
We got to take away the vote.
I think women can get a job.
Like, I think if your kids are in public school, go be a teacher.
That's what I say.
Women not work.
Well, I'm not even sure.
Most people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I think I would limit suffrage for most people, like our founders did.
I think universal suffrage.
Would you make it specific to women?
Not specific.
Not specific.
Hang on, hang on.
Let me finish this matter.
Why would that matter?
Because I do think if you say after they've waged a hundred-year war, women for women's equal rights to then remove one of the wrenching building blocks of that, which is what the suffragettes fought for, the right to vote.
I think if you remove.
I just got to be honest, all the women I knew that wanted to be stay-at-home moms were pretty lazy.
So, I mean, I'm not like because when you think of a stay-at-home mom, I think of someone who's contributed through the family income for like 20 years, and then the husband decides to retire her.
You know, oh, come on, that whole movement was totally astroturf.
That's one.
Let's just point this out.
There's a good argument from a Christian perspective to make that the husband, the head of the household, should be the one voting within his dogma.
That would make sense.
So there is a Christian case that you could make for that, that the head of household, the wife, right now, what goes on in Christian households is that the wife is just doubling the vote of the man, right?
So this is not against the purview of Fuentes, and it doesn't even sound particularly misogynistic to me.
Okay.
19th Amendment.
Harry, what's your response to that?
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There's so much to respond to right there.
I do want to point out that Andrew was talking about, you know, Nick Fuentes is a good Christian.
He was, he's being celibate until marriage because of this reason.
That's not what he said in the interview.
When he was going back and forth with you on this, Piers, he talked about how women are gross and they get fat and they're ugly and he wouldn't get women do get fat.
They gain 20 pounds in the first five years of marriage.
I just hate men like this will say anything to bang you.
They will say anything.
His female friend a tampon because they're gross and things like that.
So Andrew is making an argument for Nick that Nick did not make any interview.
Nick Fuentes is just an open misogynist who has spent far too much time in his basement alone, festering online and getting involved in his own conspiracy theories that he's creating.
There's nothing, or at least in his via his own words in the interview, he did not present it as a case of him being religious and him staying perfect in religious texts.
Now, I have the quote.
I have the viral courage.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Andrew, go watch the back and forth with Pierce.
Go watch the back and forth with Piers when he's in front of me.
Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, please be quiet.
Go watch the back and forth with Piers in that specific instance.
Harry, Harry, Harry.
Why are you a virgin?
Have you slept with anybody?
And yes, go watch the clip.
Fine.
Let the record speak for itself.
You can go watch the clip if you'd like.
That's what he said.
No, you said he's been the gift.
I preached the entire interview.
Andrew, can you please be, can you please be quiet?
Can you just zip it?
Why don't we watch the exchange again then, Clari?
Let's do it.
Are you actually attracted to women?
I am attracted to women.
You're not gay.
No.
But I will say that women are very difficult to be around.
So there's that.
And do you think they should have the right to vote?
I do not.
No, absolutely not.
They should stay at home.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
So basically, you're just a misogynist old dinosaur, aren't you?
For a young guy.
I mean, I know I'm the boomer.
I know I'm the boomer here, but actually, you're a 27-year-old dinosaur, aren't you?
Aren't you, Nathoentes?
All women.
I am.
All women are annoying.
All women grow old.
They all get fat.
Says the guy, have you ever had sex?
No, absolutely not.
Such a low blow.
And who cares?
Like, it's even when you guys, I mean, this is what, no offense, but like sexless guys, they're the ones obsessed with body count.
All men care.
They don't want to hoe.
But when a guy's ran through a bunch of women, they just, they're not as concerned.
It's like a psychological thing.
They're not as it's, it's something that kind of sexless men tend to, you know, do.
But they'll, they'll come at me and be like, pearl, pearl, pearl, you know.
And I'm like, guys, that's personal.
Like, I know it's like with the internet, you could just say anything to people, but nobody in real life would go up to him at a job and say, are you a virgin?
Or what's your body cat?
Like, like, people don't do that.
Wow.
Says the guy who's never got laid.
That's the thing, though.
You boomers, it's a good thing.
If you're an expert with free love, you've never got laid.
Yeah, we are going back to the Stone Age.
You're absolutely right.
You know, you're talking about empathy, and your kids are empathetic, and they would never laugh at a joke about the Holocaust, and you're a misogynist.
You're a simp yourself.
You're totally hen-packed.
That's the problem.
So, he doesn't actually there, Andrew, mention the reason that you've given not in that clip, but he did mention that he's so accomplished.
Why didn't he say it's supposed to be chased?
If it's so important to him, why did he say it right there?
Why didn't he say it right there?
Because that's bad faith.
You see, it's like this is like arguing with a woman.
He's reasoning right there with women and they get fat and things like that.
Wait, no, but if this is so that's a cherry picture, no, no, Andrew.
I'd never marry a girl that's run through.
Well, here's the problem: you'll never know.
I've seen better, I've been better players than you get get got.
You're just never going to know.
It's neurotic people, they want to control the universe.
Every guy thinks their bitch is different.
Every guy, pretty much every guy's bitch is the same.
I'm just being real here.
I'm being real.
His reason, his reason doesn't change in five minutes.
He doesn't go from, oh, I'm a Catholic, I'm staying true to my religion to actually women are gross, and that's why I don't do it.
Wait, wait, wait.
You just said that his religion is the main reason as to why he's celibate.
So now he was the main reason five minutes before.
And then it fast forward to five minutes where women are gross.
That doesn't mean he can't have multiple reasons.
It's just such an important reason that he didn't bring it up again.
That makes total sense.
He just brought up an yeah, because women are annoying, but I think most men would get married if we weren't so awful to be around.
But we're just, yeah, we're just not it, you know.
Higherly different.
Okay, so that was his first place into his misogyny.
That was his first reason because it was the most important reason.
But in that interaction, he didn't say anything about religion.
And if it's his, no, it's easy to know.
Anyone that's been with a lot of women can tell a 304 from something as simple as the way they walk.
I've seen better players than you get got.
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.
His central view, if it's so central to who he is, and that he bases his misogynistic views off of well, the other thing, the other thing, if I could jump in, the other thing, we bring it to the moment.
Come on, don't crash out like you did on that podcast.
Hang on, let me bring Glenn back in.
The other argument, which I thought was interesting, and I thought I missed a bit of a trick here with him, was when he was talking about the Holocaust, where people have assumed he's a Holocaust denier because of things he said in the past of trivializing it and questioning the number of people who've died and so on.
He seemed to try and take a more moderate position, which was, yes, I believe six million Jews were killed, maybe more.
Whether he meant that or whether he was being some sort of satirical.
That's what I that's what I now believe was probably happening.
Yeah, so I suspect he was satirizing you.
It's like, what?
Do you guys not talk to people?
Guys, like the video.
We're at a thousand people watching.
It'd be cool to break like 1.2.
We haven't gotten that many in a while.
Okay.
And plus, even if she's not a hoe, she's not a hoe right now.
It doesn't guarantee she won't hoe later, you know.
But regardless, his argument was it all happened so long ago.
Why did Jews continue talking about the Holocaust?
We've all moved on.
They use it all the time as a political weapon and so on.
And of course, I suppose the obvious question for him, I went and checked afterwards, how many times he's talked about, for example, on his show, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, which was over 2,000 years.
Pearl, you use black people's trauma to get more likes.
That's disgusting.
What are you, a woman?
Do you know what I mean?
I mean, that just sounds like something a woman would say.
You used my trauma.
Well, good.
Good.
Good.
Years ago, right?
He does it all the time.
So, you know, if I'd been smart in the moment as a fellow Christian, I would say, well, hang on, but isn't that exactly what Christians do all the time about the crucifixion?
What's the difference?
And that sounds like a different person.
They talk about the crucifixion because it's absolutely central to their religion.
And I think, you know, I do think so much of what your interview with Nick Funtes highlighted was extreme generational differences.
It was sometimes like watching two people speak different languages.
You know, Pierce, you and I are kind of the same age.
You're obviously older.
Everyone can see that, but just a little bit.
And, you know, for people who were born in like the 60s, the Holocaust was just 20 years before.
World War II had just ended 20 years before.
There was a mythology about the United States, about our role in the world, about how great of a country we were, about all the great things we did, about the Holocaust, the unique evil.
Now it's 75 years ago.
And people who are next generation were Harries were born in, you know, 2000 and 2002.
And this idea that like, yeah, the Holocaust has been weaponized.
We've been.
Yeah.
So the older generation's been henpacked a lot more than the younger guys.
The younger guys are like, we're not marrying these bitches.
Let's get money.
Where the older generation, even if they're not henpacked at home, a lot of them are in corporate America.
Young guys, they're ubering.
They're like, I don't want to be nagged all day.
Beaten over the head with it for eight decades.
We've been forced to spend and pay huge amounts of money in reparations, or that slavery is sometimes weaponized that way.
This is a very common view.
So I think when he's doing things like making jokes about the Holocaust, it's not because he thinks it's funny that huge numbers of people are exterminated.
I think it's a way of purposely being transgressive about orthodoxies and pieties that a lot of people in his generation don't accept.
Hang on.
Hang on, Harry.
Hang on.
There was Glenn.
There was a callousness to it.
And I'll tell you why.
I brought on a guy called Danny Finkelstein.
He's a top journalist for the Times newspaper over here who wrote a very powerful book about his family and their horrendous experience at the hands of Hitler and Stalin.
And it's incredibly powerful.
It's very moving.
It's informed his life.
And I'm going to talk to Danny actually after we finish this because he's been on the receiving end of the most appalling abuse in the last 48 hours, all directed by Nick Fuentes, who was so dismissive of him.
Okay.
So dismissive of him.
Okay.
Abuse.
I don't like that word because I think there's some women maybe that actually get beat out there.
Probably not.
But like, you never know.
And it would just be nice for them, you know, to get real abuse points and men that get beat.
But you're saying that you're getting abused because you logged into an app and people said mean words.
It's like, okay.
Of him talking about his mother and father.
So just callous in the way he responded.
It's that kind of utter devoidness of any empathy whatsoever.
You can have a view that we should try and move on generationally from these seismic moments.
Okay.
But you don't have to be so callous towards somebody whose family literally got murdered by people like Hitler and Stalin.
Do we?
I mean.
But the idea, Pierre, I think the thing is, is like this generation of people grew up in the wake of the Iraq War, in the wake of endless war, in the wake of the destruction of their financial security with the 2008 financial crisis, with all the lies of COVID and Russia gate and all the rest of it.
And faith and trust in these institutions have collapsed.
So when they look at people who represent institutional thinking and they're told, you're not allowed to make fun of this and you're not allowed to talk about this and except in the ways that we prescribe and we're going to call you all these names unless you affirm all these pieties over and over and over again.
One of the ways of rebelling against that is to say, you know, it's a very common generational reaction: to say, F you, we're going to transgress every line that you told us we can't because we hate you.
We think that the things that you're doing have been destructive to our lives.
And I think, like, ignoring that part of you.
You know what?
You know what, Glenn?
I think it's a very valid point.
And there may well be a generational thing to this.
Let me bring in Warren.
Just for the record, by the way, Andrew, we've just been through the whole transcript and he never uses the excuse that you may have heard him do it elsewhere.
He talked about clergy, whether women should be allowed to be clergywomen and so on.
And obviously, they can't under the Catholic Church doctrine, but he never uses, he never says celibacy for religious reasons.
Primary view is he's not a person.
He's like the apology for marrying any type of stuff.
That may be his view, but he didn't express that view in my interview, is the point.
We've just checked the transcript.
Andrew was just saying, oh, I have the quote, I have the quote, and there's no quote.
Well, it may, I'm not, I can't rule out, I can't rule out.
He hasn't said it elsewhere.
And it may be, Andrew's heard him say that before.
I'm just saying in my interview, he doesn't.
We can just say, you know what, I made a mistake.
It's okay to be like, yeah, I got it wrong.
I may have heard it elsewhere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like that.
All right.
Let me bring Warren back in.
Look, Warren, you're a critical thinker.
You know, Glenn's, you know, stop me in my tracks a little bit and maybe think about this, right?
Because I think there is probably a generational thing here.
And I do think that in a way, you know, maybe Mark's right that by me interviewing Fuentes, the only real winner at the end of the day may be Nick Fuentes, because none of his supporters, certainly from the reaction I've had, have changed their impression of him one iota.
I mean, they just assume he just landslided me and that was it.
And I was an old boomer sent packing.
And it may be, as Mark says, that other more moderate people quite like some of the things they heard.
I don't know.
He is charismatic.
He's a good talker and he's smart and all these things.
I don't dispute any of that.
From a critical thinking point of view, where does this take society?
If people like Nick Fuentes grow ever more popular, what will happen to a whole army of young men here?
Last night, I held a focus group to try and get to the bottom of this.
And I was with over 30 people.
The vast majority, three disagreed with the vast majority.
And what they were saying things such as, I went into this exchange not expecting to like anything about this guy, but what I saw was Pierce Nine.
And that's why they kick him off of all the shows is because he's very likable.
That's why when I had him on, I'm like, this guy's great.
He's hilarious.
And then that was the end of my career.
That was, I was cooked.
That was it.
You know.
Contending with his arguments.
I think that's why when you bring up his dad, that's why he gets upset because he's saying, look, man, I'm here.
Let's talk.
Why are you talking about my dad?
Contend with my logic.
It's the same thing when he, that was his response when you brought on your British friend who told his horrific story, which I, it's, it's terrible.
And you could disagree with his response to it, but I think he's saying, why, why are we, you're just telling me what you're saying is bad, but you're not really contending with the argument.
And I think that is the core problem that has led to this outcome because you can play these clips.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't think he was surprised by anything that occurred in here.
That's another reason that you're seeing the backlash is because it was exactly what people predicted, largely.
But when you play that clip, it's like, okay, yes, that's taken from a large stream.
In the past, people evolve.
And if you're asking him in that conversation to expand on that, and then he does, and he does present logic, what I'm seeing is people say, no, you're saying that now, but you're lying.
You're playing this game, you're pretending to be moderate, and now you're mind-reading.
You're saying, I know what Nick Fuentes thinks more than Nick Fuentes, and I do think it's really important in these exchanges to come at it with that first principle: I'm going to take the wild approach that I'm going to wipe the slate blank and assume that the person who knows the most about what Nick Fuentes actually thinks is Nick Fuentes, and that seldom happens.
Yeah, that, and that's like an ambush interview because it's like it's so frustrating talking to people.
And it's a woman, like women are the ones that put words in your mouth, you know.
When it does, I do see, I saw a vastly different response to my conversation, but I don't think I challenged him in that interview.
We didn't learn many new things about Nick.
It wasn't a good interview.
Pierce had no interest in learning anything.
Well, it was good because he was so he, um, he, he, it was such a bad interview that it was good.
Do you know what I mean?
Any less, right?
No, sorry, you know what?
It's very interesting.
It's very interesting.
I've been reading, I mean, I read and take note of the more nuanced commentary about it.
I don't listen to the Groypers all ranting away or attacking me or my family or whatever.
I love the Groypers.
I mean, I'd ask if you guys could please stop tweeting me pictures of my ex-boyfriend.
Stop spurging at the current, you know, but they're funny.
I'm going to give them that.
They're funny.
I think a lot of them are sexless.
I won't lie.
I don't think a lot of them get laid.
I'm just going to be real here.
And I don't mean that as an insult, but usually when people spurg about race too much.
Yeah, sorry.
I know.
It's just, it's kind of because men that get laid know that like the getting laid market is a different arena.
It transcends race.
Hold on.
I want to talk about what I think about interracial dating because I can actually live.
I've seen the downsides of it and the upsides.
I've seen both.
And no, it is.
You're saying it's cope.
It's kind of, no, it's kind of cope for the white guys because that's why they're mad that the white girls date interracially because they're losing to like what they would deem lower status men.
Here, where's this proposal?
Proposal girl dancing.
I think the most important thing for a guy and a girl and a couple.
I got to find this.
And I knew this couple was going to be still married when I saw this clip.
The most important thing that transcends race, anything, is that a man is with a woman that views him like this.
Hey, fans, don't be shy.
Not this, right?
Gotta wait, hold on.
So even that couple, right?
That was a white couple, and she's, like, barely going in for the kiss.
For the Diamondbacks, shortstop, Stephen Drew.
I think the most important thing is that you have a girl that's this excited to marry you.
I'm not even, I'm not even like, I don't really think I want my brother.
I wouldn't prefer they dated a black, right, or an Asian, I prefer white, right?
Just like they vice versa.
But it's like, imagine this guy's got two options: a bitchy white woman who's like a Karen.
Because a lot of guys think that they're going to be in control of what women like them.
You don't really know who's going to like you.
But I think the most important thing is that the girl looks at the man like this.
And if she doesn't like that, that to me transcends all.
Because, you know, they say do it for the culture.
It's like the culture hasn't done shit for us.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
So that's kind of my view on it.
I know people, and I've seen, I'm not even saying there's no downsides to it.
But to me, that's the most important thing.
That's the most that she's excited to be with you.
And men that date, no, you're not really in control of who's excited to be with you.
Yeah, she puts out more her.
Yeah, I'm sure she's, but a lot of white Asian women have herpes too.
You know, just it kind of you're, I mean, it's a roll to dice.
Um, honest question: why would a white guy marry and have kids with a black woman?
Because she looked at him like that.
I don't necessarily like or dislike a lot of people say, I'm really an equal opportunity employer.
I'm going to be honest here.
I'm open to all.
But yeah, it could be scripted, but you guys get the, you get the point.
It's like a couple when you've seen it.
So, anyways.
I know they're going to say I'm woke.
I don't care.
I don't care.
All right.
That's me for the day.
I'm kind of sick.
I could feel myself losing steam a little bit.
Should I marry a goth girl?
If she looks at you like that, why not?
Anyways, guys, thanks for watching.
I appreciate it.
Probably tomorrow.
If I'm feeling better, I'm going to do either the coach or there's like one other one, the coach, or oh, Candace Owens.
I want an apology from all the people, all the people white knighting in my comment section.
I want an apology.
Everyone that said, why do you keep?
I want the one guy you called into my show to lecture me to stop going after Candace Owens.
I want you to call into my show now and I want to lecture you about how you're a simp.