Farha Khalidi and Esther Crack clash over OnlyFans as feminism, with Farha citing $1M earnings in two years and framing abstinence as a feminist choice, while Esther argues it commodifies women’s bodies. The debate pivots on autonomy vs. patriarchal exploitation, exposing modern dating’s transactional shift—from purity culture to apps like Tinder—where women now trade long-term risks for short-term gains. Ultimately, the episode mocks both sides’ extremes, suggesting empowerment is a moving target in today’s hyper-sexualized, attention-driven economy. [Automatically generated summary]
I think I've done some reactions, but not full stream.
So, if you guys like it, let me know.
I'm just waiting on some laundry, so I was like, I might as well stream because I saw the funniest clip ever.
It was so funny.
Okay, I want to go through Twitter.
As you guys know, I really like to talk about what is going on on Twitter.
You know how it goes.
All right, present, share your screen.
Okay, so as you see, women, we love power being the center of attention and talking because talking is a lot easier than working.
Now, as you guys might know, this is a little hypocritical coming from me.
I get it.
But you get a lot of conservative women as we talk about that do the same thing as liberal women.
And I kind of just wish they would just be liberal women.
It would just be more easy for me.
And Allie Beth Stuckey is one of those.
You know, she's a very naggy wife, you know, always nagging men on what they should do.
She hates the red pill.
And now she's preaching, but pretending not to preach.
So here we go.
When you are a Christian, nothing is trivial.
Nothing is mundane.
And nothing is neutral.
C.S. Lewis once wrote that there is no neutral ground in all of the universe.
Every spare second in every square inch has been claimed by God or counterclaimed by Satan.
This Satan is a real enemy who wants to confuse you, who is begging you to say no to this age-old question, did God really say he wants to silence you, he wants to scare you, he wants you completely blind to the spirit.
And notice it's all women in the audience.
That's when you know someone's full of shit, if I'm being honest.
Is women listen.
Why do you think women hate me?
Because I'm honest.
I hate having to be me sometimes.
I mean, no, I love it.
But Pearl, oh, Michael says, you should criticize men more.
Isn't there enough criticism of men?
Isn't there enough?
I mean, somebody's got to criticize women, and I step up to the plate every time.
If I were to criticize men, it's for putting up with things, but society doesn't really give men a choice, do they?
Spiritual battle that is constantly waging around you.
Ephesians 2 says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience, among whom we all once walked according to the passions of our flesh and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
But I really am not a fan of this performative Christianity.
It really just is not my favorite thing.
I hate it when they talk like this and they're da-da-da-da-da-da.
It's just, I don't know, it just feels weird.
I don't really like it.
Okay, so there's another Christian woman doing normal women things.
All right, we're going to keep going.
I made this today, if anyone cares.
I know nobody cares, but this I did make today, and it was pretty good.
Pretty good.
Hillary Clinton, I thought she was actually pretty attractive back in the day.
Because I would say Bill Clinton's pretty hot just overall as a person.
He's pretty attractive.
And back in the day, Hillary's not anymore, but back then, geez, she was cute.
Oh, I saw this was hilarious.
Oh, this was so funny.
So Don Lemon is interviewing people about illegal immigration.
And he's trying, I think he's trying to go for, you know, the brown people, the Latina black people.
And they're coming back and saying, no, we don't want these illegal people here either.
Either, Don.
Look at.
Okay, crossing the border illegally is not a crime.
No, it's not a criminal act.
It's a misdemeanor.
So why are they being sent back and saying that they're breaking the law?
That's the point.
Okay, somebody that we don't know if they're breaking the law because they won't tell.
There's no due process.
Where's the evidence?
That's the whole point.
And if they are breaking the law, most people will say, okay, then they need to go if they're criminals.
But if they're not, why are they being rounded up and sent out?
Especially when he promised to deport the criminals.
And now he's not doing that.
I don't think we're going to.
So misdemeanor is not a crime.
It's not a criminal act.
No, if you get charged with a misdemeanor, that's not a criminal act.
I'm not in charge at all then.
If it's not a criminal act, because we have different levels of crime.
Everything is not the same.
So it is crime.
It's just a friend.
Look at this Latina.
She is not having it.
She's like, I came here legally and this took me forever.
Get here legally.
We have different levels of, I shouldn't say crime, but it's not, it's not, you're not, it's not a crime.
You're not breaking the law.
I mean, you are breaking the law, but it's not a criminal act.
So it's breaking the law.
No.
You're not breaking the law.
No.
If you're speeding, drinking, get pulled over, DUI.
That's not a criminal act.
Well, no, if you're speeding is a misdemeanor.
Right.
So still breaking the law.
Okay.
If you want to qualify, then we're doing a semantics.
But what I'm saying.
Okay, so he's gaslighting them into saying that coming in illegally is not a crime.
And then he's saying you're playing semantics.
Dude, you are the one that does this for a living.
These are just normal people.
But what I'm trying to tell you is everything is not the same.
It's all not one thing.
But is it the law?
What?
Is it the law that what?
Is it law?
To come over legally?
Is there a law?
There are rules that are processes that you should follow.
Yeah.
So you're breaking rules.
You're breaking the rules, but you're not necessarily breaking a law.
So what happens if you break the rules?
Then you get you suffer the consequences.
But the consequences should not.
Look, no one is saying no one should suffer the consequences.
You guys are getting things mixed up.
Dod.
It is not a criminal act.
I wanted to know if this was real, if this woman really changed her race, because that is insane.
That's crazy.
She looks very weird now.
Here's another woman.
She has been waiting for the stay.
So there's a woman giving up her kid for adoption.
That's seven.
Now, again, we'll call women the nurturing gender.
Imagine having a seven-year-old child.
You have raised this child to the age of seven and you decide, I don't want a kid anymore.
I'm going to put my child up for adoption.
Oh, no.
Oh, that was my fault.
Let me let me go back.
Give me one second, everybody.
that was my fault okay wait let me let me lay Let me share the screen again.
I had a lot of tabs open, and I was exiting out of them, and I accidentally exited out of one.
Her off for the rest of her life.
Today's the day that I get to drop my daughter off for the rest of her life.
I can't really say that I feel sad about it.
I really don't care.
I gave up custody of my kid.
I put her up for adoption.
She's seven years old.
Sorry.
I just literally just woke up.
She's going to school.
I'm about to drop her off to her last day of school.
I have to take her to.
And then the adoptees are picking her off on the school pickup line.
And yeah, I'm a free woman after that.
I'm selling my house.
I'm buying an RV.
I'm about to travel the world.
I'm pretty, I'm pretty.
Yeah, and this is what I keep saying.
Women are not the nurturing gender.
We're not.
Women are not delaying motherhood.
You know, if kids were so great, then we wouldn't have to be convinced to do it.
It's a responsibility, and we hate responsibility.
So fortunately.
I did.
I have been like waiting for this moment my entire life ever since I had her and I was being guilty and not giving her up just because like I felt like as a mom, you're not supposed to give your kid up.
But then I had a good talk with like my boyfriend and he said that it doesn't matter what other people think.
It's what you want and I don't want a kid.
So this is crazy.
Here's another teacher.
It's going to be that has been banging middle schoolers.
So that is disgusting.
Here we go.
You know, you are going to be placed under harass.
Me?
You're Allie, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
And it's going to be for predatory criminal sexual assault.
So that's why we're here to take a look to make sure we gather what we need out of the house.
Okay.
So what?
Yeah.
So I'll talk.
Gaslight.
I mean, that's the equivalent of what women do.
Gaslight to eternity.
Tell me more about it here in a second.
Okay.
As a matter of fact, if you guys want to go in and start talking about the dogs up.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm going to explain some things.
Okay.
First off, I agree.
You're rights, okay?
So I can talk to you.
Okay, you do have the right to man.
Anything you say or do, we'll be using it in court.
You have the right to an attorney.
Do you think she would get kid gloves like this if this is a dude?
You hear the tone they're saying it to her in?
Yeah, it does.
411 will be appointed director of each money cash to you.
Do you understand?
Okay, have you ever been in trouble before?
I'm going to give you an opportunity to explain what long story short is, okay?
We've got a significant amount of evidence to include the conversation that you had with you.
According to the court documents we have, at her front door, Bardfield denied having sex with the boy.
The audio is redacted at that point, but you heard the detective say they had a considerable amount of evidence, including a conversation that Bardfield had.
Now, he's likely talking about the conversation Bardfield had with the boy earlier that day, just hours before all of this happened, after his forensic interview.
Police say that they and the boy's parents were listening in on a text, a voice call, and a FaceTime that Bardfield had with the young boy.
Not only did Bardfield reportedly have sex with that boy, she also sent him $700 on Cash App.
She bought him headphones that go for more than $400.
She also sent nude photos to him on Snapchat.
That is so disgusting.
Ugh.
Ugh.
So YouTube, you know, you are going to be significant.
YouTube is now apologizing to content creators.
But they're basically coming out and saying we did censor you guys for information that was put out during under the Biden administration.
And my message to YouTube is I appreciate being back on here, but you guys ruined our lives.
Really?
And I did not have the worst of it.
Some people lost their whole channels.
But a lot of us had to fire staff.
A lot of us had to shut down our shows.
A lot of us had to stop creating content.
And you guys just want to be like, oh, sorry.
How about pay us?
How about pay me?
Okay.
I had a documentary I was working on.
I had to, which you can donate to, by the way.
But, you know, we were in the works of a document.
We had all these projects going.
And then, yeah, they just, yeah.
These days, kids are safer in a Catholic school than a public or Catholic church than a public school.
I don't know about that.
I got to be honest.
The priests don't have a great track record either.
People obsessing with her mentioning virgins are just outing themselves as never being able to get laid.
That's kind of true for guys.
Men that get laid don't tend to worry about body count as much.
I know it sounds really crazy.
I think to people that don't, but then once you see it, you can't really unsee it.
Darius Rocker is engaged to a woman 30 years younger than him.
Congratulations, Darius.
I'm a fan.
She's pretty.
Although she's 33, so I guess she's kind of old.
Do you know what's crazy?
I get more views on these reaction streams sometimes.
And these are so chill more than like these very in-depth ones we do.
Okay.
So now we're going to get into the main event of something that I thought was so funny.
So essentially, I have the belief on this channel that all women are whores to some extent.
To some extent, right?
Some whores are more whores than others, like Bonnie Blue.
But really and truly, most of the women, most of the women claiming, you know, to be innocent or pure, I mean, they have something if they're not married super young.
So I just thought this was hilarious watching this debate.
And it was just two whores going at each other.
It was like a whore off.
Like, you're a bigger whore.
No, you're a bigger whore.
So we're going to react to this.
Nothing feminist about what you do.
You're basically, you just cut out the middleman and you're commodifying the female body.
There's nothing empowering about that.
Why is it not degrading to get naked for your husband?
If it's degrading to get naked for public men, is it because you assume your husband's more likely to respect your husband, the man in your life most likely to beat, rape and murder you?
Your husband's the man in your life who 58 of the yeah, probably because you drove him to it.
I mean, can you imagine, can you imagine having this at home, this nagging tone?
Yeah, I mean some men snap because we are just so insufferable.
Time is going to cheat on you.
My only worry is that what it's become is a kind of genuine career path for a lot of young girls who might look at this and think all I need to do is set up an only fans account, take my clothes off and a bunch of guys will pay money to watch me do my thing in a webcam or whatever it is.
A British philosopher once said, you can't scratch a bum hole on a saturday and then expect to be treated as a professional on a monday.
The evolution of gender and feminism is a source of endless debate in popular culture.
I tackle the issue head on in my new book Woke Is Dead, which includes some essential wisdom on the subject.
I look forward to debating it.
One question I admittedly did not think of tackling specifically was this one, can you be an only fans model and a feminist?
Farha Khalidi says you can, and that she is living proof of it.
Men pay to look at explicit content.
Blaming the women is just hypocritical.
Esther Crack who however, vehemently disagrees.
So when we heard that both Esther and Farha could be in the same studio at the same time, we thought what a perfect opportunity for a lively debate on this subject.
So welcome to both of you.
Uh Esther, of course, I know you very well, Far Hard.
We've never met.
We last appeared in a debate where you were down the line and we're talking about Lord's provocative new album, which featured a woman's pubic uh hair, I believe on the cover, and you took a screenshot of our exchange.
Uh, let's look at the clip first, guys.
Thank god, I mean, I don't, I don't disagree with some of what you just said, but clearly this is intended to be sexual.
I mean, it's not.
You know, you don't, you don't, I don't think it is.
I, I don't think it is and that, oh my god what it is.
Has Pierce Morgan turned it into Mari Murray?
You, you know what is this ghetto?
Oh my gosh, i'll have that as the banner for your ex account.
I, I thought it was a funny screen grab.
It looked like you and my father confronting me with something you found on my instagram and I was like, looking away, coy away.
Um, you can also tell, I only own one dress.
So basically, you're using me to promote your, your account, so i'm hoping for a share of the spoils, of course.
Yeah, thank you.
You understand that.
Yes yeah okay good um, let's get serious for a moment.
So, ONLY FANS is a massive business generating billions of dollars.
A lot of people doing all sorts of different things on this, not just about, you know, women doing sex work, whatever they want to call it.
How would you categorize what you do on ONLY FANS?
I mean, my content isn't necessarily that extreme, but I I definitely don't want brownie points from people who are eager to slut shame the women who do more extreme content.
So when I go on platforms, I just call myself a digital prostitute, because you know I want the backlash for it.
So a digital prostitute, an e-prostitute yeah, what does that mean?
You know, like an e-girl or an e-boy, I just call myself like an e-prostitute.
Like it's online.
It's not actually physical or in the real world or tangible, but it's virtual.
And do you actually have?
Do you have sex on on your platform or not?
No, i'm actually a virgin, really.
Yeah yeah right yeah, right.
Wow, my name is Bull.
Well, you don't believe her, absolutely not.
Well, why would she lie?
Well, I just I don't know what the connect Pierce.
Are you that?
Were you bored yesterday?
Come on, Pierce.
Why would she lie?
Please.
The connection is between again.
I mean, that's why I partly are you being serious?
Are you?
I'm being deadass.
And that's partly why I do OnlyFans is because I'm trying to point out that you could be a virgin in a way that isn't about purity culture or religion.
You could be a virgin in a feminist way, which means you don't want to bite the bullet and you know, just join hookup culture or just put out just because society tells you to.
And I think it's really unfortunate that religious conservatism has a monopoly on abstinence culture because 45% of women regret their first time.
30% of women regret like a sexual experience in the last 12 months, right?
So I'm very interested in carving out a space for secular women, non-religious women, feminist women, to also know that they can hold on to their chastity if they want to in a way that doesn't align with the toxic purity culture.
How old do you know?
I'm 26.
26.
Yeah.
So Esther, why would you not believe it when she says she's a virgin?
I don't know many virgins that strip off and call themselves e-prostitutes.
I think it's quite rare.
It doesn't mean she's not.
What the hell happened to Esther's eyes?
Holy shit, that Botox is not looking good.
Holy shit.
I mean, it's definitely a unique perspective.
Can I just ask why?
So it's empowering to take your kiss off.
And I'm assuming, I don't know how extensive you're kind of things you do on your categorize of a load of viruses.
I mean, you're just going to subscribe and see.
I would say, you know, absolutely not.
That's a good marketing, though.
Subscribe and see.
Subscribe and see.
I mean, I offer girlfriending.
It's so crazy.
It's so crazy because by platforming these girls, you're essentially driving more money to their OnlyFans.
I'm not, I can't really judge.
I mean, I've had my share of OnlyFans women on the shows.
But this is just crazy.
Experience.
You could come on and I'll pretend to be your girlfriend for a little while, pretend to not be repulsed by you.
I offer slutty photos and videos.
And yeah, I just don't know what the connection is to virginity.
You know, there really is no.
Well, because if you're massively sexualizing yourself, there'll be a presumption that you've had sex.
And it's quite interesting to me that you say you've never had sex.
Yeah.
Well, that's kind of the whole point, right?
That's what I'm saying.
Is like people are unable to conceive of virginity outside of just wanting to appeal to the male gaze and being attractive to men.
And I'm not a virgin because I think it'll make me more appealing in the dating market.
I'm a virgin because most women regret their first time.
They regret betting the bullet.
And our dating pool is full of horrible men.
And I think women should wait more so that they're not just going through that ringer of sexual regret.
Esther?
I'm really speechless, Piers.
You are.
That's kind of funny.
Yeah, okay.
So the thing is, women like Esther are going to try to sell purity to some extent, but they're really not pure.
I mean, she's, I mean, she's got to be around 30, I would say, you know, and she's going to have like obviously her tits out and like no bra, you know what I mean?
And this is a public Instagram that's associated with her business.
And it makes perfect sense that she's going to, you know, monetize her looks as best she can because you're just going to, oh my gosh.
Uh, oh, okay.
Because, but because she's going to make more money that way and get more suitors.
I mean, having a good rack obviously is going to get her more attention.
So in a way, the Afara girl is smarter because Esther is, you know, she's probably banging road men for free.
I mean, that's what they call the hood.
I just could see her going for these hood dudes.
You don't, you don't good work.
Thanks.
Okay.
Thank you.
But I did, you know, all right.
I think I'm actually speechless.
So you can't do that.
Well, no, it's not that I don't have a response.
First of all, this ideology.
I mean, look, it's your personal belief, and you can obviously do what you want with your body.
I'm just confused what you find empowering about showing pictures of your anus on the internet.
Can you explain that?
Hi, Ken.
Well, first of all, I just want to point out that, like, it's really interesting to me that the first time the culture and men specifically are interested in talking about the morality of sex work and how it's degrading to women and its effects on the social fabric, and namely its effects on relationships, is conveniently once women like me started turning a seven-figure profit off of it, right?
Up until the advent of OnlyFans, it was exclusively feminist.
It was exclusively feminist- So there's nothing feminist about what you do.
You do realize as I was saying, it was exclusively women.
No, I would say, in a way, it is feminist because she gets to be high status.
She gets freedom from men, so she doesn't have to go to a man to make decisions.
And she gets to be as naked as she wants and still be somewhat high status in society to the point that she's on Pierce Morgan.
I would say that's pretty feminist, if I'm being honest.
She gets to spend her youth on herself.
Yeah, I mean, it's this is where we're at.
Exclusively feminists were the sole critics of porn hub.
It was exclusively women who would protest things like Playboy.
Like Andrea Dworkin put out a book on porn saying men possessing women.
And in response, Playboy turned out these cartoons depicting her fucking other women, basically calling her a dyke and a man hitting bits, right?
Anytime women protested pornography, men said that you are vilifying male sexuality, and men were so eager to make porn synonymous with male sexuality, right?
And I just think it's interesting.
So that's exactly how she's just saying mumbo jumbo to rationalize her being a prostitute.
I mean, she is a prostitute, so I would agree with her.
You are a digital prostitute.
That's all I got.
What you do.
Like, your customer base are men.
You sell the girlfriend experiences.
Is it to other women?
I do have some lesbians on there.
Yeah.
Okay, but it's predominantly men.
And I don't think there's absolutely nothing feminist about what you do.
You're basically, you've just cut out the middleman, but you're basically working in the patriarchal economy and you're commodifying the female body.
There's nothing empowering about that.
I don't know what your definition of empowerment is, but empowerment is not momentary autonomy, which is basically what you do.
I can do what I want.
Every human being should be able to do what they want because that's by virtue of being a human being, you should have a freedom over your body.
Empowerment is composed of three things.
One, it's, yes, exercising autonomy when you want.
It's two, being able to make those choices responsibly and to live with the consequences.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
Esther's kind of fat, number one.
I can't believe this woman called me fat.
I think.
Is that the same girl?
Maybe that's a different girl.
She doesn't look fat there.
No, that's a different girl.
That is crazy.
That is so crazy.
She does pole dancing.
Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.
Which I don't think you actually can or really have contemplated.
I agree.
Like making choices that don't limit opportunities that you have in the future.
Nothing empowering.
It seems to drive it.
But here's what she's getting wrong.
Because we're in this weird, like, female economy.
It's not going to really limit her choices in the future.
If anything, women's sexuality expands them.
Do you think Kim Kardashian will be where she's at if she didn't sexualize herself?
There's some there at times it does blow up in women's faces, but I don't think she would have the option to make that much money as like a mid-chick.
She kind of looks like a young Mia Khalifa.
To play devil's advocate here, it seems like she ticks all those boxes, you would say, right?
I mean, you know what you're doing.
You're taking away the money.
I agree with what she's saying.
I'm not a choice feminist.
I think choice feminism is intellectually lazy.
I think the choices you make.
Okay.
What?
There's choice feminism now.
That's an interesting intellectualization.
Please continue.
No, no, I say I'm not a choice feminist.
I thought you were saying you were against choice feminist.
Like you were just saying that, like, okay, me saying my body, my choice, isn't morally interesting enough.
But I'm saying there's nothing feminist about what you do because I have.
They really should have given me this job.
She's lucky she's black because they just give black women things.
Oh my God.
Both of these women just think they are smarter than they are.
Oh, it's crazy.
It has nothing to do with female empowerment.
But there's a possibility of that.
This is the whole point of feminist empowerment that actually a woman can do what she wants with her body.
No, I actually don't even agree with that.
No, it's not, it's not.
I've been in love with you.
Here's my question to you.
Why is it not degrading to get naked for your husband if it's degrading to get naked for public men?
That's a very simple answer.
Is it because you assume your husband's more likely to respect you?
Because your husband is the men in your life most likely to beat, rape, and murder you.
Okay, number one.
On average, you're just not.
What are your chances?
What are my chances of getting murdered or beat by my husband?
Hold on Okay, so I asked Grock what this said.
It said, I'm sorry you're asking this.
It sounds like you're in a deeply painful and frightening situation and no need to live with fear.
Okay.
All right.
What are my chances?
I just want to know.
Oh my gosh.
All right.
Out of, stop giving me the, okay, out of 100 marriages, how many women are beat by their husbands or murdered?
Thank you.
So it's saying about 20 women experience physical abuse.
Intimate.
Yeah, because again, women call abuse everything.
So I guess they're saying out of 100, 20 women are going to claim abuse.
That's the challenge is when you get into debates with these people, they're always going to bring up these stats that we know are bullshit, right?
We all know that men aren't really beating their wives like that.
But just anecdotally, right?
Just with our eyes, but they'll gaslight you and say to believe women.
Okay, how many, how many of those, How many of those marriages involve a arrest, right?
That's what it would have to be.
Not a police report, but an arrest.
Okay, are reported five, seven to eight percent.
Okay, so out of a hundred, five men are arrested.
So 20 women accuse the men of abuse.
Five are actually arrested.
Out of the five, how many are found guilty?
Blah, Okay.
Okay, so do you see how Grok even lies to you?
So two out of a hundred.
So my chance is two out of a hundred.
Not great, right?
I mean, if you believe those stats, you know.
Okay, because that's where the feminists always, they like make up these studies.
One out of 500 are murdered.
That's a lot.
Come on.
We all know.
I mean, all right, let me keep.
Your husband's a man in your life who 58% of the time is going to cheat on you.
Your husband's a man in your life who 50% of marriages end a divorce and women said that they felt disrespected, right?
Oh, no, not disrespected.
It's these streamers, they just learn to say stats really fast and they don't really talk through ideas.
They just, they really can't think that much.
They just say stuff really fast and you're like, wait, what?
Being, if, if, okay, this girl, I've seen her on podcast, she's disrespectful.
Like, it's like, half the time, these streamers, they have no self-reflection.
And I just think you, so if I feel disrespected, then that's grounds for what?
What's your...
Why are you assuming that by sexualizing yourself for your husband, you're reserving a seat of respect from a man versus sexualizing yourself for the public domain?
Because you're not sexualizing yourself or your husband.
You're engaging in intimacy in the context of a committed relationship that has 50% likely to kill you.
50% likely to kill you.
Of course, everything comes with risk.
But I'm sorry, treating yourself like treating your body like a bunch of orifices for hire is not more empowering.
Women that are in community.
I would say it is empowering.
I would say these are the most empowered whores of all time.
I'm being honest here.
I would say whores in today's society are very empowered.
I mean, the fact that she's on Pierce Morgan, that is empowering.
You know, I mean, getting naked obviously is giving women lots of opportunities.
So I'm not happy about it, but I, you know, I'm going to call a spade a spade here.
What's the difference between marriage and prostitution?
I mean, that's a stupid question.
I mean, yeah, these are the never in all of history have I would love it if, you know, porn women were not allowed in gyms.
I love the gym and I just would love it if I knew every person I talked to just had never done porn.
But nowadays, if you go to like an equinox, half of the women there are like escorts.
Like the, we're to the point where prostitutes can have normal jobs.
Bits of relationships that aren't married are much less likely to be in poverty than women that are not.
There are actually societal benefits of women being in committed relationships and also not commercializing loneliness in men, which is basically what you're doing.
Man paying you a virgin, which I'm assuming is because you've never had a relationship for the girlfriend experience is laughable.
It is ridiculous.
And I don't know what even though I'm not afraid of that.
I don't want to say that.
I'm not saying that 89% of OnlyFans subscribers are married men.
The male loneliness epidemic is absolutely because a lot of men are lonely in their marriage.
What a bitch.
Guys, who is sending money to this woman?
That's pathetic.
But the point.
Let me ask you.
I don't have a problem with that.
Let me just try to get my head around this.
So I'm curious about the economics of this because I'm told that, I mean, for instance, there's this woman, Sophie Rain, said to be OnlyFans' biggest earner with estimates of up to $50 million a year coming from her business.
I mean, how much are you making?
I don't share the specifics, but I've made over a million dollars.
Over a million dollars.
In what period of time?
In two years.
In two years.
You did train to go to law school, right?
I was initially planning on going to law school, but I started doing TikTok full-time straight out of college and then was doing social media, I guess.
What do your family make of what you're doing?
Honestly.
Well, my father is dead, and my mom is tolerant of it, I think.
She was more opposed to me even putting myself out there on TikTok when I was just doing like very casual skit content and stuff, right?
So to her, this is just another extension of that.
And extended family?
Do you have any siblings?
I do have siblings.
I think they just find it cool.
Not necessarily the only fan specifically, but I think they think it's cool that I do social media and do stuff like this.
I'm interested in this whole feminist empowerment thing because I assumed falsely, it appears, that that meant the whole point of it was men shouldn't be telling a woman what to do with their body.
She has power over what she does.
She has power over her idea of femininity.
Pierce, Pierce, there's a whole pussy march, like a whole slut march.
Part of feminism is prostitution.
Part of feminism is women wanting to be whores.
I mean, that's what women are fighting for more than anything.
Prostitution, OnlyFans, being in charge of sex work, useless jobs, I would say, and abortion.
The ability to have birth control be whores.
You can do what she wants.
If she wants to show off on her OnlyFans account to people prepared to pay to watch it and it's all legal, why do you care?
I don't care, but I think the idea of calling it empowerment and somehow feminist is completely ridiculous.
And this is why definitions matter.
This idea that having momentary autonomy over your body is somehow empowering.
I'm sorry, gorillas do that.
Like everyone, every living being should and does ideally have autonomy over their body.
That's a pretty low bar.
You're not comparing it to the gorilla.
I'm just saying every living thing objectively has some sort of autonomy over their own body.
We're talking about empowerment, which is what feminism was supposed to be.
Feminism was supposed to be about autonomy, obviously, and having choice over your body.
It was supposed to be about allowing women to make choices that give them the dignity and independence to pursue their own lives as they see fit.
And also in pursuit of that, with the responsibility of making the choices that you're making, knowing that those choices will actually give you more opportunities in the future.
None of what you do qualifies for that, other than the momentary autonomy.
Your options are not going to expand because they're pictures of your bum hole on the internet.
It's going to be a lot harder if you want to be a politician, for example, or a CEO or a lawyer.
She doesn't want to be.
That's fine.
By the way, that's fine.
But part of empowerment is also being able to make those choices responsibly and live with them.
Are you in a relationship?
Hold on.
Yes.
With a man?
Yeah.
How long has that been going on?
It's pretty new.
And what does he feel about what you do?
He's supportive.
Really?
Yeah.
I've actually been on this show.
Do you really?
Yeah.
I don't know who is it.
You know Dr. Jack Symes?
Yes.
When did I interview him?
Dr. Jack Symes.
Okay, hold on, hold on.
Let's say St. Pierce Morgan.
Okay, here.
Jack Symes.
Oh, this guy.
Okay, let's share.
Call Tommy's Islamophobia.
It's not that he's not, he's done things in the past that are bad and they're unconnected to his anti-Islamic.
Yeah, so here you got, I mean, he's like, he's a traditionally attractive guy, and he is accepting OnlyFans.
Men underestimate how enchanted they are by beauty.
You would be shocked what women can get away with murder.
Like a gender.
Okay.
Let's go back here.
About.
Does he know that he's being no, hang on?
I'm trying to remember who he was.
No, he doesn't know I'm on OnlyFans.
No, does he know that he's an alien?
Wait a minute, Esther.
I'll just get a moment.
So what was he on for online census?
With Natalie Winters talking about like the Quran and sexual violence or something.
Yes, I remember this.
Yeah.
So did you meet him through this show?
Through this show?
Yeah, was he after you saw him on the show that you?
I think I'm sure he saw more salacious content elsewhere.
To my OnlyFans, he couldn't get enough.
Yeah.
So women hate whores.
I mean, the reason we hate whores is because when she's just giving it away for free and men can like jack off to her, it makes Esther, who's, you know, claiming purity, have to do more.
So now in order to compete, you know, she's just showing the tits.
Esther has to get more naked.
She has to provide more value, which is going to be tough given her job, right?
No, I met him at another like philosophy event we were at.
But he knows what you do.
Of course.
What would I rather on the glasses?
Because she's under 25, I think.
Automatically, for the most part, I give women under 25 like a six because I mean, they're just always going to be cute unless they're fat or something or have like a really ungodly face.
So facially, I would say for her age group, I don't think she is that good of a face.
Four, five.
Really good body, though.
I can't tell if the boobs, they kind of look real, but I am not a boob expert.
Overall, I'd say she's six.
She's cute, but not like hot or anything, just cute.
But because she's under 25 in the normal marketplace, she might be a seven because youth just does a lot for women.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You seem a little bit unsure.
Well, it's not like some like is going to be like ecstatic, jumping for joy about it.
Anybody you empowered?
He's not, yeah, like he, he's supportive.
Sure.
Would he rather you give it up?
I don't know.
We haven't talked about it yet.
It's a pretty new relationship.
Right.
Let me get straight to the point.
Gold is.
I mean, because again, men make concessions for women.
So again, men really do.
There's not really many consequences for these women.
And maybe later in life, like the second half of life, but they go pretty long time having little to no consequences.
Okay, let me keep going.
She's going to have more opportunity with men than a fat chick.
I'm just being honest.
Character does not make up for you being fat.
Doesn't doesn't.
I would say she probably would have more.
Would I say she has more opportunity than Esther?
God, I don't think either of these women are doing too well.
I would say she would have more opportunity with high-status men than Esther.
I would.
Anyway.
Anyways, why is it degrading for me?
Because if I were to just show myself just naked, nothing degrading.
I'm not getting shot on.
I'm not getting pissed on.
I'm not doing that.
Why is that even degrading?
But why do you assume that even just being in a state of undress, there's nothing degrading about it for random people that don't know you?
Okay, wait a minute.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
No, I'm going to call you up on this.
Okay.
Because you on your Instagram do often post videos, yeah.
Pole dancing.
And you're very good at it.
Yeah.
But you're often quite scantily clad.
Yeah.
What's the difference?
Well, I need skin contact.
First of all, I will tell you what.
I have a oh, Esther.
Oh, Esther.
Oh, my God.
I need skin contact with the pole to actually grip the pole to do what I do.
Like, that's just the nature of the sport.
And I certainly don't do it for the male gaze and no one pays me for it.
It's just a form of cardio and sport.
But what I really, yeah, it is.
That's only really difficult.
You only do it for cardio?
Yeah, I only do it for cardio.
Really?
Do you hear how her voice went up to octaves?
Pierce, are you watching her pole dancing videos, Pierce?
But a British philosopher once said, You can't spread your bum hole on a Saturday and then expect to be treated as a professional on a Monday.
And this is my calling right here, Esther.
Why post it?
Why post it?
Why don't I just do it privately?
Because I look at this.
I've never even been upside down on camera.
I'm sure you've done other things on camera.
She just destroyed her.
She just destroyed her.
A form of cardio and a sport.
Look, there's a lot of ways.
They need to get me on here.
Do you know how crazy it is?
I got banned.
Not banned.
They like stopped inviting me after one song about the Jews.
One, one freestyle song.
Pearl is no longer gets to be a commentator.
This girl has pole dancing on Instagram.
And she is a regular.
Do you know how bullshit this is?
Bullshit.
Yeah, you loved that.
So that song was awesome.
Oh, my gosh.
I would have done so many things differently in my career.
But you can subscribe.
Why is this okay?
Why did you have to post it?
Why did you have to post this?
Because I was in a pole club.
Oh.
And I did a move that I've been playing.
Oh, this is worse.
You did it for free.
My parents.
All right.
Oh, my God.
I hate that I'm agreeing with the OnlyFans model.
Oh, I hate that I'm agreeing with this woman.
Why?
Why?
Why did you put me in this position?
Oh, my gosh.
I should get paid.
Oh, okay.
Here's the thing.
Why did you post that?
Here's the thing.
Because I wanted to.
I've actually taught herself.
Oh, I thought it has to be empowering.
You can't just be your body.
I'm sorry.
I'm not the one sitting on the internet, spreading my legs open and telling people to pay me for it.
Telling people to pay me for it and then saying that's somehow empowering to women.
If you knew that you could get pole dancing, do you not think this is empowering?
I'm degrading myself when I'm posting anyway.
How is that degrading myself?
Well, she's a very highly skilled pole dancer.
Oh.
Well, it is a.
I was going to ask, what can you do?
But I'm sure you have to subscribe to find out.
But the point I was making is, you do realize there are gradations between domestic abuse and online prostitution.
Do you recognize that?
Wait, explain.
What do you mean?
Well, you keep saying that what is the difference between getting naked for my husband, who's 50% more likely to beat me up and 50% more likely to be a family.
He's the man in your life most likely.
Could it kill you?
So I'm asking you.
Domestic violence and actually what you decided is murder.
And what's a matter of fact?
You do not put that in the middle of the morning.
Do you reckon on you as a form of disrespect?
The fact that most marriages end a divorce with women filing for divorce because they felt disrespected either because of adultery, because of emotional abuse, physical abuse.
They felt like women should just sell themselves.
I'm not saying they should sell themselves.
I'm saying I don't subscribe to the delinquency that by sexualizing yourself just for your husband rather than for the public eye, that you are somehow doing it for someone who respects you more and loves you.
How do you feel about the likes of Bonnie Blue and these others who are, you know, I'm gonna have sex with a thousand men in 24 hours and stuff?
I mean, I see her kind of as more of like a performance artist.
feel like it's funny that people see her as like a consequence can we just be real Esther, you posted the pole dancing because you wanted to signal to attractive men that you're a whore and you can be naked.
Okay.
Can we just be honest about this?
Farah or whatever the hell her name is, you get naked on the internet for money and you are a prostitute.
So, I mean, who's a bigger whore?
You're both whoring just fine.
Okay.
You are both whoring plenty.
Plenty.
Now the bigger horror is Bonnie blue.
It's like, all right.
Has nothing, has whoring not become sacred?
It's like, has whoring, why can't we just let the hoes hoe?
It's a feminism, but in reality, she's more of a consequence of the male gaze when she says stuff like, you know, anyone who fuck me like a married man.
So it's nice to see Pierce covering some serious journalistic issues.
It's kind of you guys's fault to some degree.
I hate to say it, but do you know what?
I can do a freestyle in the beginning of my show and I will really put my heart and soul.
I'll cover serious topics.
But if I cover whores, it gets way more views.
Isn't that crazy?
It's just nuts.
You know, 18-year-old boy, a father-son duo.
People are like, this is the ultimate logical consequence of feminism.
And I'm like, no, it's not.
She's only holding up a mirror to the popular porn categories, which have like reigned at the top of the hub for the past like two decades, right?
So I think it's ridiculous that people associate that with feminism.
Are you not?
I think it's ridiculous that they see her as, again, like the logical consequence of feminism when she's basically just like the purest form of the porn industry, which feminists were protesting for decades.
And suddenly now other people want to protest only because of OnlyFans.
If you got married and had a daughter, would you want her doing this?
I would be opposed to her making that type of decision until she was at least like 23, 25.
I'd be opposed to her even like putting, you know, posting what Esther posts until she's 23, 25.
I'd be opposed to her.
I'm the most 30% of the people who are in the world.
OnlyFans allows women to do it.
I'm 30.
I'm not a child.
I didn't say you were.
He was saying would I want my daughter to be able to do that?
Even want my daughter to be having sex until she's like 23, 25, because when you look at longitudinal studies of sexual regret, you're least likely to regret those types of things.
And when your sexual debut, when you lose your virginity, you can't be 18 money fans.
That's that's the legal, yeah.
But you can't go through life without regret.
I'm actually seeing, I think everything, and this kind of matches up with my life experience.
I do think that women being sexually active is getting delayed, like it's happening later.
But I think there's kind of levels of maturity women go through, and usually it's dating a guy a little bit out of women's league, um, dating, sleeping with some women can get relationships with him.
Um, but usually, the most alpha guys we go to for are when we're younger.
Um, and I would say there's a level of maturity that comes with getting humbled, right?
And I would say, I think Gen Z, everything's getting like delayed, like all of the big canon events that happen to men and to women are either not happening or they're getting like delayed.
Um, yeah, so I don't know if that made sense.
That was not my most coherent thought, but a little cutoff point starting, yeah.
And I'm saying I would advise my daughter to wait until she's 23 to even post like a bikini photo on Instagram because the rates of sexual regret in general just completely plummet after the age of 23.
Um, do you know why sexual regret though is higher?
Oh, sorry, delaying sex.
That's what I was going to say.
I actually don't think delaying sex is really going to do much, it just pushes the can down the road.
So, when women lose their virginities later, what I see happening is it just stunts them-like it stunts them as people, it stunts them sexually.
Um, like honestly, the girls that got it over with younger got married sooner.
Just my anecdotal experience.
Um, I understand the ideal is to wait till marriage, but most women aren't doing that.
So, it's like usually, um, there's a certain point that women go through where they're, they, you know, we have to be more pragmatic with what we're going to pick.
And it's usually what I've seen is like two or three boyfriends, two or three long-term relationships before women get married.
Um, and by delaying that, it just kind of stunts.
Um, anyways, I don't know.
I don't know if that makes any sense.
I don't know if I'm I don't know if I'm making sense, but I just see a lot of like adults that are still functioning as teenagers because we don't go through the canon of especially like millennials.
We just didn't go through like the canon events that a lot of other generations went through, you know.
Like, for example, my mom, she went to school with someone that got pregnant at 16 and everyone kind of saw her as a whore, but she just married the dad and then they stayed together.
Um, there that is another, that's another reason which motivated early marriage, yeah.
Like, I just don't what I see with delayed like virginity, and I could even try not to speak about my own experience online, but what happens is you are just stunted like sexually and you don't get relationship skills.
And nowadays, you can't change society.
So, if you're not having sex, you're not getting into a relationship unless you're super religious, but that's rare.
And so I even see this a lot in the churches.
Well-meaning Christians will tell women to wait, and some of them do, but the women don't get any relationship skills.
So by the time the women get into those relationships, like, I mean, there was a girl I knew in high school, she dated like three or four dudes in the same social circle, and she's really pretty, but she had more relationship skills by the time she graduated high school.
not all experience is like bad experience.
Um, yeah.
Um, And if anything, because I was in, I kind of saw the other side of the spectrum with a very religious church I was in.
And like the problem you get with old virgins is they just have like no skills and they over dramaticize sex.
So they make sex the end of the world and it puts way too much pressure on the guy, relationship skills, how to control your husband.
No, I would say it's not what I mean.
Like, for example, it's, and you really only develop these if you have a guy that tells you no, and that is pretty rare.
But it's kind of like when you deal with the opposite gender, there's just stuff that you learn.
Like you learn when to shut up as a woman.
That's a great skill to have.
You learn when to give him space.
You learn how to like women that have lived with a guy before, they have the skill of cooking for two, right?
You know, cleaning up and not nagging him about it.
Now, some women get into relationships and they get worse.
I'm not, I'm not discounting that, but I don't see women that hold off on losing their virginity.
I don't, I, I see it, and this is just me being, I, I see them getting cooked.
I really, I see them getting cooked in the dating market more than anybody.
Um, because usually the women holding out on virginity are overweight.
They're not attractive enough to hold out.
Um, they're not.
You have to be a certain level of attractive to, you know, you got to be as thin as Farah.
So, you know.
The age is because they're in the context of casual sex.
Yeah.
And they're in law because of sexual coercion.
And you're actually most likely to be sexually coerced by a romantic partner rather than a casual partner.
Women report being most likely to be reported into violent sexual acts by their boyfriend or husband.
And that's why pimps, for instance, are so eager to employ like the lover boy method because they know nothing gets a woman saying yes faster to a sexual act than playing boyfriend or husband.
So when you talk about sexual regret and sexual coercion, it's not more from casual sex.
It's actually more likely to be caused by your boyfriend or husband.
Does it concern you?
It's actually under the influence.
Now, what she's talking about, and all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be very real about, I want to have adult conversations here.
So if you don't have any yes, I would say that sex and a guy playing husband and boyfriend is very intoxicating for women.
It totally is.
You can be completely under a guy's spell.
However, that is why I really would tell women to go in with the expectation to figure out what your values are and go in and expect nothing.
Because nowadays, you don't know what you're going to get.
Also, because under the influence of drugs and alcohol, which is when a lot of sexual activities are going to be awesome.
Okay, but what do you think about that?
You actually start saying to somebody that women are psychological.
You don't really know.
No, genuinely address it.
What do you think of the fact that women are most likely to be oppressed into sexual acts by a boyfriend or husband because that type of arrangement that you see is so loving and respectful actually primes?
What she's talking about, sorry, is betas that don't have social, there's men that do not have the skills to seduce women into sex.
There are men that have not and do not know how to seduce their wives.
And women resent having to have sex where they're not seduced, where they don't really want to, where they feel pressured.
And so, what she's talking about is: hey, what about the women that are forced to sleep with their husbands they're not attracted to?
That's what she's communicating, or she's trying to communicate.
I've come to realize arranged marriages are the way to go.
Well, it depends.
It depends what you believe.
You either want to force women to have sex with men they're not attracted to, or you don't.
I understand both points of view, but yeah, I mean, if you think that women should be able to, it's a burden of performance, right?
And in a way, I would say marriage takes the burden of performance off of men and women.
What about when they say no a hundred times?
Why should a man even bother?
It does more damage to the guy.
Yeah, at that point, cheat.
Cheat.
I prefer arranged, but they have a choice in it too.
Well, okay, but if you do that, if you go back to arranged marriage, what happens?
Women are always going to pick the hot guy.
And it's going to, it's going to go back to the same thing.
So we either want to force women or not.
So for coercion.
Well, first of all, that's self-reporting.
So we don't actually know the context behind it.
And secondly, because you were just saying that sexual regret in the context of casual sex and now that it's inconvenient, now you're like, well, that's self-reporting.
Of course, I regret every sex I had that didn't work out.
Do you know what I mean?
Of course, of course, but you can't get in the door unless you put out.
Sorry, it's 2025.
Any other YouTubers claiming purity and that that's not part of the deal are just lying.
Okay, they're lying.
You could do that with your high school boyfriend.
There are the occasional ones that get lucky, but the data is telling us that is not part of the deal anymore.
It's not.
It doesn't really count.
No, but the point is, if they're in a relationship where they feel pressured to commit sexual acts, they're in the wrong relationship.
And usually, do you know how to model a right relationship when you've seen it?
When you've seen people in healthy, stable relationships.
I don't know why you jump from one extreme to another because you clearly have a very negative association with sex and hang-ups around it.
And you just think, I'm just going to make myself safe by being this virginal weirdo that spreads my legs on the internet.
But somehow, being in a healthy, stable relationship, which has actually been the prime conditions for building a society, having loving relationships, raising children.
I know that's a stable relationship.
That's why he's so thrilled that you're on OnlyFans.
But wait until you have that conversation.
I'm sure you love the mother of his child to have a bumble spread on the body.
Does it concern you that OnlyFans is owned by Ukrainian billionaire who's making a fortune?
Women have cut out the middlemen.
So it's important.
My point being that industry isn't run by some male men.
What happens is, now, this is why I try to stress that men that try to control their daughters through purity.
Now, I actually think the whores have a point when it comes to purity culture.
Sex is part of life and it's a natural desire.
It is natural for people to want to have sex.
That's natural.
That's normal.
I mean, that's one of the greatest parts of life.
Falling in love is one of the greatest parts of living, right?
And what the church does is they take it away from you in a way because what they do is they shame the sex drive and they make you feel like this having a sex drive and wanting to be wanting to have sex is wrong.
Now, in the old days, they knew that it was a natural desire.
That's why people got married at 16, but they make people very weird and not in a good way, not like socially normal because they just say to keep pushing it off.
So now you got 30-year-old virgins that haven't experienced life.
You know, that's one of the greatest parts of life is falling in love, getting your heart.
You know, sometimes it works out and you fall in love and things are great.
Sometimes you get your heart broken, but that is, that's part of living, right?
And religion just says take zero risks when it comes to sex.
Don't go for the guy you want.
Don't go for the girl you want.
Don't try to, don't try to bang her on the first day.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I mean, that's how, you know, I remember, I remember the day I found out my parents have been married 30 years.
And when I was 22, I found out.
So I was raised in like Catholic, Catholic school.
And I found out my parents who had been married 30 years, they got pregnant with a kid when they were super young and gave this kid up for adoption.
And I'm like, mom, you should have told me the best way to get married is to get fucking pregnant.
Do you know what I mean?
Someone said, why?
And I'm like, that's part of, you know, turns out every girl, and I'm not, what I'm not saying is, but when women can't not have, like, when women cannot withhold sex over their husband, when they do not have the desire to do it, those are the best, those are the best relationships.
They really are.
But what the church does is they teach, they teach women to weaponize sex to get what they want.
Because think about it.
If she's saying, no, no, no, we can only, we can only have sex when we get married.
Think about it.
That's her weaponizing sex to get lifelong commitment.
Is that even fair?
Is that even a fair exchange?
The church is teaching men to take bad deals.
And they're saying, if you don't take this terrible deal, you are going to be alone.
Or sorry, you are going to go to hell.
I think that's evil.
Oh, that's so evil.
Why would you have sex with someone you're not attracted to?
Women do it all the time for resources.
Sex is the glue of a good relationship.
Yeah.
And conservatives downplay that.
It is, it is one of the most important thing.
It is better to get your heart broken in a committed relationship than a sneaky link.
Well, I hate to say it, but situationships are before relationships now.
You can't change society, right?
And again, because when the sex comes first, the burden of performance is now on the woman.
It's now on the woman to be a good woman and make him want to commit.
And that's when you get the best out of woman, really.
That's why women give more to their sneaky links than their husbands.
So that's what she's complaining about is she's complaining about having to have sex with men she's not attracted to.
I agree, rolling the dice, but women's sleeping around isn't good for them emotionally.
Just the facts, I only slept with women I was seeking a relationship with, which is why I got a low body count.
Okay.
Sleeping around isn't good for women, but I'm telling you, women waiting till 25, 30 to have sex-that's terrible for women.
That's it makes women very weird.
It makes women weird.
You know, at least once a woman has sex with a guy, if she's smart, she knows where she stands.
Okay, he didn't call you back out of your league.
Try again, try again, try, you know.
Try it.
Look, um, men and women should get married young, yeah, but they're not.
So, I try to have a conversation with adults on how we're going to be pragmatic with the society we have.
I do not, I don't like having conversations about what should be because if we just have a wish list, wish lists are for idiots, wishlists are for people that have never been in charge of anything and gotten nothing done in life.
Because if you've ever been the head of an organization, if you've ever had to deal with a budget, you know, you have to work with what you have.
We don't have virgins on the market, we have fat whores.
Um, yeah, I'm pragmatic, and it's you know, I keep hearing this: oh, we need a theocracy, we need all this stuff.
Okay.
You're going to be, by the time that happens, you're going to be halfway through life and wondering why you didn't live.
I'm not convinced that women are better off being used for practice.
They get stuck on past guys.
They can't get over the idea.
Okay.
Well, Well, at least the woman look, I've actually met the 30-year-old virgin.
Look at the end of the day in life, it's ideal for women to stay with the first guy they lose their virginity to.
It's ideal to know as a woman what kind of guy is completely out of your league.
Okay, that's that's ideal.
Um, but we gotta, we gotta be honest here.
Number one, a lot of women are using men for practice, that's why they call them starter husbands.
So, let's not pretend the women are super innocent in this, okay?
And number two, at least a woman that got into a relationship or got married, at least she tried.
It's better than someone that's just never getting in the game.
It's really easy to criticize from the sidelines.
Um, yeah, young marriage these days would put divorce at 85, 90%.
Yeah, I can't, I can't change the world we're in.
So, you know, it's easy to say, oh, let's women shouldn't do this or we shouldn't.
Well, this is the world you're in.
And if you're a young woman, you are probably going to meet your husband on Instagram, Tinder, Hinge.
It's not going to be at church.
It's not, it's most likely, it could be on Snapchat.
That's the world we're in.
If you're in a major city, it might be at the bars or out and about.
Your argument to conform to the world is an insane one.
Okay, well, how else are you going to exist?
You have to get a job.
I mean, in these days, getting married in a traditional way could make you commit suicide in the long term.
So, you can always tell when you talk to a dating coach that works with people because all of their advice is very pragmatic.
It's like download Hinge, set up a date.
This is what the date should be.
It's very specific.
Saying, oh, it should be that.
I mean, that is like the biggest.
That's like, okay, I have a genie.
Let me just make a wish list.
And usually the people that have that mindset are people that are not dating.
They're not actively dating and trying to figure out a solution.
They're people that aren't dating at all and they're just cheering from the sidelines.
Be the wolf, not the sheep.
Conformity is lame.
Well, okay, let me give you an example.
In the old days, we used to live on the farm and you could go live in the middle of nowhere on a farm.
I would tell, if I had a young woman, I would say, go to a major city, download Hinge or Bumble, understand how good looking you are.
You can probably go two points above your looks match.
Your number one goal should be to get as thin as possible.
That will give you the most dating market.
After sex, you can figure out where you fall.
And I guarantee in a year, a girl that I coached would be closer to marriage than any of these trad dorks that tell the women to just wait, go find a guy that'll wait till that'll wait for a marriage that you're attracted to.
It doesn't exist.
It doesn't.
Even the girls in church, and I've seen it, they go for the same guys.
So if women, you know, I cannot hold a gun to women's head and say, go for men, you're not attracted.
That's never going to happen.
So I would say, you know, compete.
That's all you got.
Compete.
That's it.
I want both my daughters to be married by 18 if that doesn't work out, but at least if it, then it doesn't work out, but at least they tried.
Well, yeah, but do you have kids to impose your will on their life?
Like, is it really loving somebody if they have to live their life the way you want?
And I'm not even against young marriage, but I just, I always see these people on the internet that are just very neurotic and they have to, they have to control the universe, number one.
They're not willing to take any risk.
And they criticize the people that do take risk.
And two, and two, they think they can control their kids fully when they're adults.
Once they're adults, they can do what they want.
So let me go back.
Billionaire.
I don't know what that has to do with anything.
And that's kind of my point: I'm not going to argue.
It's a patriarchy, isn't it?
I'm not going to argue.
I'm not going to argue that a lot of the sex work industry isn't rife with exploitation.
But the way I see it is like, you can look at the cocoa industry and a lot of that's also rife with like really unethical labor practices.
That wouldn't make it unethical for me.
Yeah, then there's the people that say everything's collapsing.
Okay, everything's collapsing, right?
Okay.
How long?
We're going to ask.
Like, think about it.
Nick F. That's like one of them.
He's been doing what he's been doing for a decade.
How long does it take for Rome to fall?
And now, you know, now he's getting a lot more traction.
But we got to be honest here.
We got to be honest.
Let's say you're 18 and you start watching him.
Now you're 28.
You've missed your whole 20s waiting for a change.
When will it happen?
When you're 30, 40?
Okay.
The fall of Rome is a complex topic as it wasn't a single event, blah, Okay.
The 55 years, 49, the crisis of the third century, 100.
So the total timeframe, the broad estimate is it took 359 years for Rome to fall.
The core decline, 250 years.
Yeah, so we'll be dead by the time this all collapses.
And maybe we won't be.
We can't know.
But yeah, like what?
And that's always what it is.
The politicians and the streamers, they always want to promise you tomorrow that this is going to happen soon.
But the truth is, it's probably not going to happen in your lifetime.
And that's what I would expect.
Okay, let me keep going.
Grow chocolate in my backyard and eat it, right?
So I think we need to be able to separate the immorality of the supply chain.
Let me ask you a question.
The paces accelerate.
Okay, give me a date.
Give me a date.
What date?
When is it going to fall?
When is it going to fall?
When?
Because right now I can get Uber Eats to my apartment.
I can't like, yeah, when?
Give me a date.
The actual morality of the product.
I don't know.
So if there's a lot of men taking advantage of these women and coercing them, that doesn't make it.
2035.
Okay, so I've been hearing about this fall for a decade.
And we're in 2025.
So by the time I'm halfway through life, I can expect this change.
I'm 28.
So by the time I'm 40, I'm halfway done with life.
I get to wait for this fall.
I get to wait for this change.
Great.
The mark of a great man is planting trees.
Steve, none of you guys, in the nicest way possible, none of us have political power.
None of us are really planting tree.
Watching people on the internet isn't political power.
Me talking into a microphone, it's not political power.
I can hope things change, but look at you have to manage your expectations.
Otherwise, you're going to waste your life.
I have seen, and I'm telling you, the religious pipeline is so bad.
I have seen it in so many, like these people just wait forever to live.
Anyways, my soul is saved.
Sleeping around is great for men as long as it's protected.
Yeah.
Yeah, just don't catch herp.
Don't catch the herp derp.
Oh no.
Inherently.
Hey, listen, you've got a sort of machine gun style of defending yourself.
What I haven't seen much from you is a smile.
I'm not entirely sure that you massively enjoy that.
You have to subscribe for that, Piers.
No, no, it's not that.
I just wonder how much you actually enjoy it, whether it's a job and it's making you lots of money, but that actually, if you didn't have to do this for the money, you'd be out of it in a million miles an hour.
Does it actually make you happy?
I do enjoy it because I grew up in a pretty conservative Muslim household.
And what's interesting about a lot of these purity cultures is that they claim to be so anti-sex and in the process of it, they sexualize you relentlessly.
You're constantly being sexualized.
They're making sure, you know.
Yeah, that's that's what happens when you shame women sexually.
It's like a boiling pot.
You just put something on top of it and then they blow off later.
And you have to understand when you guys do this to your sisters, your mother, like your wives, you really are shooting yourself in the foot because you're basically communicating to your wife, you cannot be honest with me.
Yeah, they rebel.
I have to warn you of the former generations of women who were shaped to be great wives.
I don't think so.
Because if they were such great wives, then why did they all divorce their husbands when they got the chance?
Your skirts are long enough that your clothes aren't too form-fitting.
And I found that so sexually uncomfortable for me.
And I find what I'm doing now, yes, I do find it liberating having gone through that.
Yes.
Do you?
I do.
Well, what do you think?
You can be somewhere in the middle and just make decisions for yourself and understand that actions have consequences.
You don't necessarily have to sexualize yourself to feel liberated.
Why did you post that?
You didn't answer my question.
Because you wanted to.
That's the point.
I don't just see myself as a sexual object.
I'm actually intelligent.
I'm confident.
You're not that smart.
None of us are.
We're women, right?
None of us are that smart.
Am I not intelligent?
I don't care.
She certainly strikes me as intelligent.
Yeah, of course.
But making a difference.
Why is it okay for her to spread her bum hole on the internet?
But it's okay because she's also intelligent, successful.
I'm also very intelligent.
I'm not charging people for it.
And it's in the context of worse.
Do you're waking to me?
Look at nothing.
Look at the runners in the Olympics, like the female 100-meter sprints.
They're wearing literally bump shorts that show their bums and their legs and a sports bra.
That's what they're doing in the pan.
Okay, so now this guy, he's rationalizing.
And I really hate to be a doomer, but when I asked my daughter, do you want someone to make fresh pancakes in the morning homeschool and you braid your hair?
Okay.
Here's the, I understand you can teach your daughters.
You can raise your daughters, right?
But you will not know what she's going to choose until she hears the other ideology.
You don't know.
And at some point, she's going to be exposed to it.
Whether it's a friend, whether it's an institution, whether it's social media.
At some point, women will be exposed to the other ideology.
And that's when you'll, that's when you'll know what they do.
And you can't control that.
You can't.
It's not in your control.
Oh, if you were running like miles per day for savings for money, so you're talking about something you have no experience of.
You've never tried poll.
You've never done anything.
But because it doesn't qualify for the kinds of sports that's okay with you, you think you're drawing a moral equivalence?
Pole is a sport.
I didn't say it wasn't.
Right?
But I'm doing that in the context of a sport.
Okay.
Our gym is a good idea.
And mine's in the context of a job.
Wait, hold on.
I need to do a pause.
Did Reclam go to the pineapple show?
Wait, hold on.
I need to see him spit game to this girl.
Yeah, that could be the case too.
You could be BBL'd up.
Yeah, that could be the case too.
You could be BBL up.
I am BBL'd up.
Is that what I'm doing?
No, no, no.
I mean, I could fuck with a manufacturer, bitch, for sure.
You know what I'm saying?
A manufacturer.
pineapple sorry i just saw that on twitter That's so funny.
Oh, okay.
Well, I'm listening.
Here's the thing.
Bottom line, I don't really care what you do.
I don't have a problem with it.
I'm happy you're getting paid and you find it fulfilling.
The man who you're driving is, I'm happy you picked the sport that you didn't have to do that.
But you're so feminist or empowering about what you do.
That's just why I draw the line.
Because there are women around the world.
There are women around the world.
There are women around the world that don't have the privileges of living in a Western democracy like you that can call the police if they're getting abused.
There are women around the world that are actually being pimped.
Pearl, we're collapsing now.
Gold and silver is blowing up.
Okay, give me a date.
I'll be dead by the time it happens.
You only know hell broke loose when it already has.
Dads usually find out too late.
Yeah, I'm an Austrian economist and I've been studying the history of monetary policies for 20 years.
I knew we were down five years ago.
Hey, look, I understand.
I understand the direction it's going in.
But right now, I got to look at my real life.
I walk places.
It's pretty safe.
I understand you see stuff on social media, but your odds of being like killed in public aren't that high.
Pearl, the question is, is the right thing the highest good or is your personal satisfaction the highest good?
Well, morality is different to different people.
And I've had really, and I know every person that's religious, it's so annoying.
They all say, well, no, but my morality is right.
And I'm like, okay, well, I've interviewed Muslims that are very devout.
And every single one is very convinced that they're right.
And it's very interesting because they just have a level of arrogance that like turns me off where I'm like, how are you this sure?
You can't know for sure.
So in a way, you know, a lot of morality is like covert contracts where people think they will get something out of being a moral person.
But a lot of people cover being like a coward.
Like they're really just too afraid to approach women.
They're too afraid to get in the dating game.
They're too afraid to be rejected.
Like, and they use morality as a cover for it.
They're like, oh, no, I just want to be a good person.
It's like, no, you just are too much of a bitch to go get rejected by women in the nicest way possible, right?
You know, you have to be like, you have to be a certain level of attractive to claim morality, right?
Because, you know, and I used to, I used to kind of do this to some extent.
There was a point where I thought I was really moral because I didn't, you know, I didn't go on yachts or like party with these celebrities or whatever.
And I thought to myself, I was like, do you know what?
I was never invited.
How can I say what I would do if I was never invited on these A-less celebrities yachts?
All right.
Man hating is okay.
I got into a fight with a girl who started accusing her guy of being a threat.
I am not okay with public shaming.
Okay.
She is full blackpilled now.
It's sad.
No, I'm telling you.
Blackpilled is the way to go.
And it's the way to go.
Religion makes people, it makes people so arrogant.
So arrogant.
It's falling now, Pearl.
Look at, it's falling, but it's a slow fall.
I understand in 2008, but it's still going.
Oh, no, I'm broken.
Come back to the light.
Shut up.
Shut up.
Like, oh, my God.
I mean, and then that's the next thing that religious people do.
They just start talking to you in this condescending tone.
Oh, my God.
Okay, let me continue.
By horrible men, sleeping with probably a dozen men a day.
Didn't I say that?
Didn't I literally say that?
Do I reject the stats?
Oh, no.
Promiscuity totally, it totally destroys women.
That's completely true.
However, in 2025, unfortunately, it's not really a guarantee anymore.
The divorce rate for people that get married before 20 in 2025 is pretty high.
It's like higher than later in life.
So I have to go off of like, what are the choices now?
And if you look at the stats, women are not.
It's obviously not the glue that it used to be because women are not staying with the men they lose their virginities to.
So, and that's when women have the most, it's not just these men like running through innocent girls.
It's not.
Women at 18 have the choice to go for a guy in their league and then we choose not to.
So, yeah.
So, it's not like we got to stop framing it as women are getting used and getting ran through.
No, women are running through men.
Like, I mean, women are screaming that they're running through men.
I have to be able to separate the morality from the product, from the practice, same with chocolate.
Would you say chocolate is objectively immoral?
You're as much a hooker as they are.
Would you say chocolate is objectively immoral just because the supply chain centers are not?
I don't think you can look at my physique and expect me to say chocolate is immoral.
Chocolate is not a very immoral.
No, but genuinely, when you think about it, only half an hour ago.
It's a better fruit.
It's a fruit.
It wasn't a truth.
What do you think of that analogy?
Do you know what?
I don't really think about this.
It's interesting.
I personally.
Women normally make horrible choices for their first.
Yeah, but when, and that's usually at around 18 when they could choose anything and we choose horrible, signaling that maybe it's not as bonding as it used to be because women are too empowered and we have too much choice to be treated like a celebrity.
So, fortunately.
Yeah, women run through men, but the men, the law of nature, cannot, I understand.
Like, it's obviously different.
But I'm telling you, the attractive women at my high school, I mean, it was them dumping the guys.
It wasn't the guys dumping them.
It was them dumping the guys to go bang guys in college, you know?
And then them dumping their college boyfriend to bang guys in the city.
It just keeps going.
My view of feminism is actually that women should be able to do what they like without men controlling their lives, telling them what to do, blah, blah, blah.
If you want to do what you're doing and it's legal and people want to pay for whatever it is that you offer up, I don't care.
It's fine.
My only worry is that what it's become is a kind of genuine career path for a lot of young girls who might look at this and think, all I need to do is set up an OnlyFans account, take my clothes off, and a bunch of guys will pay money.
Got it.
Who has more money in their bank account?
Probably the Farrah girl.
So, and she gets the same spot that the girl that didn't do OnlyFans gets on the show.
She won in this exchange, sadly.
To watch me do my thing privately in a webcam or whatever it is.
And I think that is the bit of it that concerns me.
Why are you trying to justify to me, your daughter, how you're raising your daughters?
Look, I hope it works out, but you have to understand.
I find that people with the mindset that they can control their daughters always end up having the biggest whore daughters.
And that's why pretty much every religion's reputation is like very slutty daughters.
Do you know what I mean?
Like the fact that you have to justify this to me, you know, because if you were doing was effective, you wouldn't have to argue with the YouTube personality.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I literally got to experience being someone's first.
I don't think I was a horrible partner.
In fact, I got dumped for being, and I quote, basic.
Sorry, I didn't figure, generate seven figures at 20.
Yeah, women, look at, and I'm telling you this.
Virginity is not as bonding.
If you go in with the expectation that women's virginity is going to bond the women to you, the only thing you have left is dominance and frame.
That's pretty much it.
Because nothing else in society is keeping women with you.
Virginity, it might give you a longer free trial with the girl, but once she gets the opportunities for higher status, man, women, in order for us to survive, I mean, we had to reproduce with the highest status guys.
So it's not as bonding as it is.
I mean, there were war brides that left their husbands for the opposing soldiers.
And they'd only been with their high school sweethearts.
A whole generation of young girls think that a bit like they did with the Kardashians in a different way is that there's a shortcut to fame and fortune that involves no actual skill.
It doesn't mean you're not intelligent.
It doesn't mean you're not beautiful, any of those things.
It just, it's not a skill.
Anyone can do it.
And are we creating a whole generation of young girls who think this is a better career path because it's more lucrative?
I agree.
That's right.
That's right.
Actual skills.
Initially, I said, like, when they asked me, like, I don't share my income publicly, this was the first time because, like, I don't want to encourage women to go into it.
And I always say in every podcast appearance I do that I don't think girls should go into it.
The average income you make is $100.
The median income is $30 a month.
And for me on OnlyFans.
On OnlyFans.
For me, I was already sending on 2 million followers.
I was already doing social media full-time.
I knew I was going to be able to retire often and cash out off of it.
That's not the case for me.
When do you want to retire?
When do I want to?
When do you want to get out of it?
I mean, I love doing it.
I think it's so fun.
So, I mean, I'll keep it going for a while.
Or do you just love?
Do you love the money?
Be honest.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I love this more than the money.
I love defending it.
I love the smoke.
Because you will make it.
I love being slut shamed.
I think it's really fun.
Well, I would slut shamed.
I would trade all the money in the world for this.
I've got no intention of slut-shaming.
I think it's entirely non-stop.
You slut-shammed this whole show.
Yeah, she won the lottery.
This girl was Islamic.
I'm sure they also said not to.
You know, there's some idea that parents did something wrong if their daughters turned out to be whores.
And there are parents that did nothing wrong, and their daughter just wanted to be a whore.
You cannot control the universe.
You can't control it.
I'm in a position to, because you're upside down on a pole and stuff.
Yeah, because I actually have a skill because I'm athletic.
Anyway, no one's.
So if I think about OnlyFans, I'm skilled now.
Oh, my God.
She shouldn't defend it.
Why can't she just say I was being a whore?
Can't you just admit it?
It's just, just admit it.
Oh, my gosh.
Only fans have everything upside down.
I actually follow pole dancers, many of whom are former gymnasts that actually do this.
And I don't have a problem with it.
Again, I don't know why you think I'm so invested in your life that I care about what you're doing.
The point that I'm making is there's nothing feminist or empowering about what you're doing.
Empowerment means you actually create opportunities for yourself.
There's a long-term look.
Hold on.
There's a long-term perspective of empowerment.
A heroin addict doesn't create long-term opportunities for himself because he's doing, he's engaging in momentary autonomy of taking in heroin.
If women that fought for the choices of women wasn't because we wanted to- You know the difference, though?
We wanted heroin.
Because you cannot become a lawyer or a politician.
No, she's very empowered.
I don't know how you could say that she's on Pierce Morgan.
Making millions of dollars a year by showing her Poonanni.
He still gets to be somewhat high status in society.
She's empowered.
I don't know how you could say it's not empowering.
What more could she want?
because there will be pictures of your butthole on literally billboards around cities would not be plastered all over this woman running your state or your country yes that's fine that's fine and it's fine for me too We agree oh, okay.
So gotta say I don't think either of you are actually gonna become politicians.
I bet she has political aspirations, any plans to, but the thing is I just I think there's something deeply offensive about the sacrifices that women have made.
To give women the the choices to what sacrifices us.
I could cook, I could cook her one song and then I get cooked.
Look yeah, she said she grew up conservative Islam.
Yeah, look it, a lot of women are raised very religious and go off the rails when you shame the sex drive.
It does not.
It just um, it makes women maybe more secretive.
But because the thing is, if you sell young women that by be, by being pure, they'll get what they want out of life and they don't, you are gonna.
That is a hoe phase that they will not come back from.
Uh, because most women um again, most pure women that remain pure are not going to get what they want out of life.
They're not.
They're not, not in this economy, i'm sorry um, the average marriage takes like five years to get.
So anyways guys, thanks for watching today.
This was hilarious.
I just, I just, I thought it was so funny watch who's a bigger hoe.
Let me see if there's anything else to be able to advance themselves in their lives and actually pursue things that they want.
And being compared to online prostitutes, which are a bunch of 20 something year olds that generally just don't want to be waitresses and actually just want to get easy money online, I think there's something deeply offensive about that.
Well, it's an interesting debate and i'm not slot shaming it for one moment and I think, if you put up a good, am I jealous that she has a million dollars?
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
It's like pearl's jealous.
Yeah, i'm jealous.
Anyways defense yeah, you put, I think you like the controversy, a good critique.
I think it's an interesting debate.
I I, you know, I suspect my, my bet is, uh Pierce, do you really think it's an interesting debate?
Like, come on, that you'll be out of this in about three, four years?
Well, nature has something to do with it.
Most people don't want to pay a 45 year old for the girlfriend experience.
Well, on that bottom shelf, we will draw things to a close.
Thank you both very much.
All right um, release the only fans pearl, I would never.
I would never.
I got offered a million dollars to do a scene with Adam 22, so I did turn down a million dollars.
Should I do it for the divorce documentary?
Anyways, guys, if you want to donate to the divorce documentary, that would be cool.