Pearl Reed’s Problems in IVF episode dissects the ethical and biological pitfalls of modern fertility treatments, from Kanye West’s 2024 backlash over IVF-linked insults to 300+ lawsuits (2019–2024) exposing embryo mix-ups like Christina Murray’s dark-skinned baby or the Cha Fertility Center scandal. Callers reveal staggering costs ($50K per embryo, $1M for egg donation) and risks—endometriosis sufferer Andrew describes his wife’s trauma from C-sections and $1K/year storage fees—while biotech critic Carlos warns of IVF’s 20–30% success rate and irreversible uterine damage. Jonathan contrasts Nicaragua’s natural fertility rates with Western reliance on IVF, while Matt speculates on futuristic genetic hacks. The debate underscores IVF’s unsustainable blend of medical desperation, wealth disparity, and cultural delusion, even as politics like the 2024 U.S. election force its normalization. [Automatically generated summary]
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Okay, guys, so today we're talking about IVF.
So modern women are waiting far too long to have children.
In 2025, we have women entertaining the thought of having kids in their late 30s to mid-40s.
In a quest to be a boss, babe, and have it all, studies show that a woman's chance of getting pregnant drops to 20% after 35 and 5% after 40.
Do any of the stats about infertility and age matter to women?
The answer is no.
They are going to keep going to high-priced institutions to get degrees that no one cares about, to jobs that aren't going to make them any money, to put themselves into a bunch of debt that they're going to have to pay off the rest of their lives.
So what do these women turn to when they've smashed into the wall and they want to have a kid and they're having fertility problems?
IVF.
In 2022, nearly 100,000 babies were born with the help of in vitro fertilization.
Babies born using IVF and other assisted reproductive technologies grew by almost 50% from 2012 to 2022.
Women under the age of 35 having a live birth, women under the age of 35 have a live birth success rate of 55%.
The success rate, the success rate per cycle drops to below 40 between the ages of 35 to 40 and below 10% after the age of 40.
IVF doubles the chance of success for giving birth.
Men have hacked fertility, but it is at a cost.
The average cost of IVF is between $12,000 to $17,000 per cycle.
If you look at social media, you see all of the success stories from IVF.
I mean, women that have finally had their miracle baby after years of trying.
But we never get to hear about the horror stories of IVF, the people that had some type of complication or traumatic experience.
That's what we're going to talk about on today's show.
I wanted to start by talking about that Kanye West tweet.
I wanted to start by talking about the tweet Kanye West put out the other day that got everyone upset.
So we got Kanye over here.
So is this real?
Beyonce fans lash out at Kanye West over his disturbing comments on her kids.
Amid his many, many disturbing tweets on social media, on the social media platform X, Ye, a rapper formerly known as Kanye West, took a swing at Jay-Z and Beyonce and their twin kids, Rumi and Sir Carter.
Kanye, who has been going on more frequent rants targeting various stars, has long been under fire on social media.
Kanye West targeted Jay-Z and Beyonce's seven-year-old twins in his latest posts on X.
So as you guys know, Kanye's the type of guy.
He says what everyone's thinking.
He has, I have never seen someone as unfiltered as Kanye.
So there's Jay-Z and Beyonce.
As if dragging the names of artists including Cardi B, Iggy, Kendrick Lamar, and Playboy Cardi through the mud wasn't enough, Ye has now targeted former friend and longtime collaborator Jay-Z and his wife Beyonce's family.
Speaking about the couple's seven-year-old twins, Ye wrote, Has anyone ever seen Jay-Z and Beyonce's younger kids?
They're retarded.
That's why artificial insemination is such a blessing.
Having retarded kids is a choice.
He shared with his 33 million followers on X Tuesday, March 18th.
So there's him smiling, not caring at all.
And there are the children.
The posts quickly went viral and were reported for bullying by several users.
Ye eventually took down the tweets, but it didn't take long for him to follow up in another post.
I need everyone to know that I took the post about Jay-Z and Beyonce's family down because there was the possibility of my Twitter being canceled, not because I'm a good person, he shared.
Wow, thank you.
I took it down like Down syndrome.
Get it?
F the world, F everybody, the rapper added.
So this is the tweet right there.
At least Jay-Z and Beyonce get to raise their retarded ass kids.
Okay.
And YouTube, he's saying this.
I'm just reading it, all right?
The disturbing comments came just a month after the rapper went on a full-on rant.
Streak deemed by many to be homophobic, anti-Semitic, fat phobic, sexist, and racist.
At the time, Kanye claimed the public backlash for these posts helped his merchandise sales skyrocket.
No matter how you feel about Beyonce, this is disgusting.
Not to mention he put his own daughter on a song with Diddy.
He's clearly mentally deranged.
That's what the people are saying.
Now, not long after Ye's posts, online users and Beyonce's dedicated fan base, Beehive, quickly rushed to clap back at the notorious rapper.
One user joked about Kanye West and Jay-Z's iconic album, Watch the Throne, saying, Doom, down, don't guess, Watch the Throne 2.
Don't guess, Watch the Throne 2 isn't coming out.
A fan wrote, Kanye and his years-long obsession with Beyoncé referencing Kanye West's psychonic stunt at 2009 VMAs, where the rapper jumped on stage after Taylor Swift.
Best did Beyonce saying, Yo, Taylor, I'm really happy for you.
I'll let you finish.
But Beyonce has one of the greatest or has one of the best videos of all time.
Somebody take all of his devices, please.
Another joked, Beyonce letting every single person know she knows to stop working in any shape or form with Kanye and it's over.
Other mentioned the recent conspiracies theories that linked Beyonce and Jay-Z to Diddy's corrupt use of power in the entertainment industry.
Okay, so the rest of the article is just them, obviously everyone getting mad.
You know, they're getting upset with Yay.
So, all right.
Now, was this tweet in bad taste?
Yeah.
But does he have a point?
We see blue Ivy all the time, but we've never seen the twins ever.
Do they have developmental delays?
Is this, is that why we don't see them in public?
Remember, Beyonce and Jay-Z had their twins through IVF.
Beyonce was 29 when she had blue ivy and 35 when she sat when she had her set of twins, Sir and Rumi.
Too many modern women are choosing IVF as a family planning method.
They are relying on an industry lightly regulated to give them a child.
They are foregoing building relationships with men and marriage for a career and hopefully having enough money and resources to pay for something as expensive as IVF.
It is only recently that we see and hear about some of the horror stories that some couples have gone through IVF have experienced.
I saw this article that tells multiple stories about complications that people have experienced with IVF.
Why don't we take a look?
No, I think she didn't have IVF at 29.
I think it was 35.
Okay, another IVF nightmare.
Patients have few protections.
Christina Murray realized something had gone awry in her in vitro fertilization process immediately after giving birth.
She is white, as was her chosen sperm donor, who had dirty blonde hair and blue eyes, but her baby was dark-skinned.
He was beautiful and perfect, but it was very clear that something was wrong, she said.
I hoped it was just a sperm mix-up.
The IVF process has been grueling.
Murray, now 38, has ensured multiple daily injections, frequent blood draws, bouts of nausea and exhaustion, a first embryo transfer that didn't take, and finally pregnancy and labor.
Then a DNA test revealed that the Georgia fertility clinic Murray had used had implanted a different couple's embryo in her uterus.
After raising the baby for five months, Murray, heartbroken, handed him over to the biological parents.
So she gave birth to a child that wasn't hers.
Oh, I would be so pissed.
Oh, I would be done.
We all met in court and the decision was made, she said.
I walked in, a mom and a child, and a baby who loved me and was mine and was attached to me.
And I walked out of the building with an empty stroller and they left with my son.
She sued the clinic last month.
White women love doing the sperm donor thing.
I think we're the highest earning other than Asian.
So we're the ones with the money for the dumb shit, right?
Like that's, do you know what?
We're all different races of women and not all.
I'm speaking in generalities.
We just have different tools of how we're crazy, right?
You know, like you see the black women in the news and not all, not all, but like, you know, they're throwing hands or whatever.
And you see that a lot, right?
White women, we just sign up for dumb shit.
So like if you see a kid that's transitioned, that's getting transitioned, right?
Guarantee It's a white woman doing it.
If you see, like a kid, like, I'm gonna raise my kid non-binary.
It's white, like, we have the money for those gender clinics or whatever it is.
Um, and the IVF stuff, I do really see a lot of white women doing this.
Um, now, again, I'm not saying other nationalities don't or races don't, but I can just speak from where I grew up, okay?
Okay, so she sued the clinic last month.
Although many cases like Murray's are thought to be rare, an NBC news analysis of federal and state state legal databases found more than 300 lawsuits filed from 2019 to 2024 alleging that embryos, eggs, or sperm has been lost, destroyed, or swapped.
The suits were filed against fertility clinics or companies involved in the IVF process across 19 states.
And the majority, at least 260, involved alleged allegations of product or equipment failures.
Some legal experts say that the cases are in part the product of the industry's rapid growth.
The number of babies born via assisted reproductive technology, which includes IVF, more than quadrupled from 1996 to 2022.
The number of fertility procedures increased more than sixfold.
Market researchers estimated the U.S. fertility industry was worth $5.7 billion last year.
IVF isn't governed by the same regulations that hold other medical practitioners accountable for mistakes or safety violations.
Three legal experts said, for example, although more than half of states require hospitals to report serious avoidable medical errors to regulators, those requirements don't apply to IVF clinics.
And embryo and embryology labs aren't subject to federal inspections the way, say, blood banks are.
Instead, most are inspected by accredited organizations.
What's more, there is no established legal claim pertaining to lost or swapped embryos, like there is for medical malpractice cases involving errors by healthcare providers.
So IVF patients have a hard time seeking redress after something goes wrong.
Few of the lawsuits in NBC's news analysis have gone to trial.
And of those that have been resolved, most were settled or dismissed.
Adam Wolf, an attorney representing Murray, says he expects to see more cases like hers because in his view, the U.S. lacks sufficient state and federal regulations governing fertility clinics and labs.
So again, this is what women do.
Not all, not all, not all.
Have a tendency to do, I'll say.
We make a bad choice, right?
Or a risky choice, right?
Like, for example, a woman gets goes to Miami and gets a BBL.
That's risky.
But when things go south and it looks pretty stupid, she's going to blame the surgeon or say she was lied to.
And where if a guy gets a risky surgery, like that height-lengthening surgery, he's just going to say, I took a risk and it didn't pay off, right?
Until IVF clinics are subject to real regulations, reporting requirements, and mandatory certification programs for lab staff, these types of errors will continue to occur.
He said at a news conference last month, Wolf is part of a growing chorus of former IVF patients, lawyers, and bioethics, and even anti-abortion advocates calling for increased regulation of IVF.
So all the lawyers are looking at this.
They're saying, I can't wait to make money off of these dumb hoes.
It's like the divorce industry, right?
Now there's going to be an IVF lawsuit.
And it just keeps going.
It's like women make dumb decisions, right?
And then the men watch it and they say, I can't stop them.
How can I make money off of this?
And do you know what happens?
Do you know what happens?
Then there's a whole industry that's born.
Like, for example, Melania Trump is passing like an anti-nude images on the internet.
So women take nudes, send them around.
That's a risky decision, right?
You're trusting someone else to not share them.
We all know men have a hard drive.
We all know that you guys don't delete shit.
Okay.
They have it forever.
So knowing that, women can make the choice to not do it or know that it's a calculated risk.
Now, instead, if things get leaked on the internet again, what do women do?
They sue.
Now, what's Pixie suing Destiny for?
These all become industries of women making stupid decisions and men realizing they can sue other people because women can't take accountability.
So it'll just be a lawsuit.
You know, it's the same thing with the marriage.
You know, women, you know, men know when they get married, it's a calculated risk.
It might work out.
It might not.
But women can't take that L, right?
They can't, they don't, their reputation cannot be ruined.
So they gotta, they gotta make their ex-husbands life a living hell.
Okay.
So maybe if enough of us speak out, there will be more regulation.
There will be more protocol put into place, says Marissa, 36, who sued her LA fertility clinic in the fall, alleging that the embryos she and her partner intended to use to start a family have been discarded by mistake.
That's my only hope.
How common are IVF errors?
It's a mystery.
Cal Hone was diagnosed in her teens with severe endometriosis, a condition that can make it difficult to get pregnant.
By 35, she had completed three painful egg retrievals.
She and her partner, Stephen Castanita, were elated in late 2023 when they found out 16 of her eggs had been successfully fertilized.
But days later, her doctor called.
He told me that all of my embryos have been discarded.
He described it as an error in the lab, she said.
I could barely speak.
The weight of my medical condition, the weight of the years I spent collecting those eggs, I can't describe the rush of thoughts and the rush of emotions that overtook me.
I was just inconsolable.
Calhone's lawsuit alleges that a lab employee had failed to label her embryos before placing them in an incubator, then threw away the unlabeled embryos.
The clinic said it could not comment on an active lawsuit, but denied the allegations in a court filing.
A conference between the judge and the opposing parties is scheduled for later this month to determine next steps.
NBC's news analysis identified 82 lawsuits related to the allegations of human error from 2019 to 2024 and over 13 being swapped embryos, egg, or sperm.
So yeah.
Yep.
The cases involving equipment and product failures meanwhile included 176 related to a 2018 storage tank failure at a fertility clinic in San Francisco called Pacific Fertility Center, which led to the destruction of about 2,500 eggs and 1,500 embryos.
The tank's marker Chart Industries denied an allegation made in a class action suit that the tank was defective.
The clinic's parent company denied allegations that it had been negligent.
Prelude and Pacific Fertility contend that the 2018 storage tank failure was caused by a defective tank, said Alexander Alexandria Priest Barlow, an attorney who represented Prelude in a class action suit.
Many of the allegations against the clinic have gone into arbitration.
However, in one that went to trial, a jury determined that the chart and the Pacific Fertility Center had been negligent and awarded five former patients a total of $15 million.
Chart appealed and reached a confidential settlement in that case and others.
Chart, Prelude, Fertility, and Pacific Fertility Center did not respond to requests for comment.
However, the clinic told the NBC Bay Area shortly after the incident that it had bought and brought in independent experts to investigate.
We are truly sorry that this happened for the anxiety that it will surely cause at the time.
50 plus other lawsuits in NBC's news analysis were related to claims that a liquid used to help fertility eggs develop destroyed hundreds of embryos.
The company that manufactured the solution, Copper Surgical, received several lots last year.
Cooper Surgical did not respond to requests for comment in a statement to NBC last year.
It said that it intended to recall proactively while investigating any potential issues.
Okay, so I mean, it just keeps going.
There is a bunch of issues that have been going on with IVF.
So we're going to watch a video of another embryo mix-up.
So let's see this.
An extraordinary fertility clinic mix-up is talking about what happened to them for the first time.
CBS2's Dick Brennan has a story.
It was just, it was heartbreaking.
Aniana Schoad Manukians say they've been devastated by what they call an unimaginable mix-up by the Cha Fertility Center in Los Angeles involving three different couples.
Chop with my family.
Pearl Reed on the website.
No one donates egg or sperm.
They are paid.
This is a big business and a disgusting business.
Through a living hill.
Without zombies, we could not sleep, eat, or focus.
We were helpless.
It was awful.
The Manukians say the fertility center transferred their embryo to an unidentified New York woman who then gave birth to their son along with another couple's baby.
The New York couple is Korean-American and they were expecting to have two girls.
And they had two boys and Aniana Schott's boy is Armenian.
A DNA test revealed the error and it was six weeks before the Minukians finally got to see their son.
Now the couple is suing the center.
Cha robbed me of my ability to carry my own child, my baby boy, to be with him in the first couple of, you know, moments of his life, to nurse him, to just do like skin-on-skin contact.
So how could this happen?
I am totally shocked and I am totally dismayed.
Fertility doctor Jeffrey Steinberg says a mix-up like this is extraordinary.
Before an embryo can go back into a patient, the computerized records have to be reviewed by the medical director, myself, and the physician if there's another physician involved.
The paper records have to be reviewed.
The signatures have to be reviewed.
And then the entire staff gets together and questioned the patient.
And further agonizing for the Minukians, they say the Bertility Center never explained what happened to all of their embryos.
Ani and Ashot have no idea if there is another baby.
You see this?
This is called a shark.
This guy right there, he sees an up-and-coming industry.
He's like, I am going to get rich.
I am going to get rich off of these women's decisions.
In this world, of theirs, that they're unaware of right now.
Now, Ani Minukian says her son that she was finally united with is, in her words, a perfect baby.
Attorneys for the clinic have not responded.
Yeah.
We got another one in Canada.
What was supposed to be one of the happiest moments of Alexander Cardinali's life, meeting his baby happened four months late, thanks to an apparent mix-up?
I was in some kind of hell.
It was just getting worse.
In 2019, his wife Daphne gave birth to a baby that looked nothing like them.
They'd used in vitro fertilization and immediately feared something had gone wrong.
I think we were hoping if at least one of us was genetically related to her, then we could keep her.
But I think the biggest fear in all of this is like, am I going to lose my baby?
According to their lawsuit, three months later, genetic testing showed their embryo had been switched with another couple's.
The solution, legally exchanged the children.
And our biological child was given to someone else.
And the baby that I fought to bring into this world was not mine.
Can you imagine giving birth?
And it's not your 2025 is a weird year.
The couple is suing their LA fertility doctor, clinic, and lab.
The other family wants the lucky lawyer.
Where is he at?
To remain anonymous, but reportedly plans to sue as well.
While cases like this have happened in the U.S. before, they are exceedingly rare.
But accidents happen, mistakes happen.
Fertility lawyer Sherry Leviton says, There she is.
Yeah, she sees a cash growth.
The miraculous thing here is both women successfully gave birth and agreed to switch the baby.
Yeah, that is lucky.
Imagine giving birth, going through all that, giving birth to someone else's kid, and you get nothing.
Nothing.
Peace.
I understand that there are a hundred different horrible outcomes, and this was the least horrible of all those outcomes.
The Cardinalis say their pain is eclipsed by that of their older daughter.
This ordeal has taken away everything.
I feel safe.
Mari says, you are not the father.
Then he says, you are not the mother.
L-O-L.
Thank you, Doug MPA.
Captain Nocap says women have betrayed their governments.
They're misled into thinking they can offset children until later.
The brutal reality is that after 25, they're past halfway with the second leg harder.
And it's shaken her trust in us as parents.
Who can't possibly understand why she lost the little sister she'd grown to love.
Chris Clover, CBC News, Washington.
All right, let's see what we got next.
Another embryo mix-up.
A couple who dreamed of becoming parents to a healthy newborn now suing their fertility clinic tonight.
They said the clinic implanted the wrong embryo, which has now put their child's life at stake.
Fox 11's Chelsea Edwards has the story.
We had visions of what his life was going to be like living a normal life.
When Melissa and Jason Diaz decided to start a family, they were determined not to pass on certain cancer-causing genes that run in their families.
We wanted our children to not have any worry regarding these types of genetic mutations that we carry.
So we try to do everything in our power to give them a fighting transfer life with a healthy life.
So they chose to undergo genetic testing and in vitro fertilization through Huntington Reproductive Center in Pasadena.
But attorneys say the wrong embryo was transferred to Melissa, which carried the rare and deadly cancer gene they tried to eliminate by going through IVF.
It freaks my dang all that money just to know that he has to go through that when he didn't.
It wasn't his choice.
It was never supposed to be that way.
And you actively worked to prevent this exact situation.
100%.
Everything we could do that was in our power, we tried to do everything available from technology to date, we did, and we followed all their orders and everything that we needed to do.
Melissa first noticed the error on a medical report she requested from HRC about 10 months after her son was born in 2021.
Handwritten notes on that report indicated that the embryo which became her baby boy indeed carried the CDH1 gene, the very one that caused Jason stomach cancer.
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We're newly remonetized on the channel, so every super chat does help.
Imagine not knowing if the baby is yours.
They must be so, that must be so hard for these poor women to deal with.
Like, wow.
I don't feel bad at all, but I'm glad you have empathy, but I do not.
I was terrified.
My heart fell.
I was hoping it wasn't real, hoping it was a mistake.
When you first understood that the embryo that had been transferred did in fact carry that gene, what was your reaction?
I was devastated.
I felt like I was diagnosed with cancer for the second time again.
After requesting her full medical records from the clinic, Melissa says she received an altered version of the initial report.
The handwritten notes gone.
On Wednesday, their attorney Adam Wool filed a lawsuit.
There's the next shark.
I'm telling you, these guys all look the same.
They are like, this is a booming industry.
Against the clinic and Dr. Bradford Kolb, claiming negligence, malpractice, battery, misuse of embryos, and fraudulent concealment.
And maybe by having this conversation right now, we can lend our little bit of support to changing processes, to changing regulations, to having some sort of framework to minimize or hopefully completely eliminate.
When you think about it, women are the biggest eugenicists.
Like women are the real racists, sexists, or whatever.
Like they'll abort their kid if it's not the right dad or the right sex.
Like they're the OG like eugenicists when you think about it.
Ever happening again?
The Diaz's son is now a men don't discriminate.
They'll nut in just about anything.
Do you know what I mean?
Like they'll get like you ever see guys like baby mothers and you're like, why would you do that?
Like you could have pulled out, you know?
But so when you think about it, like women, yeah, there's a big focus on genes.
Amish have zero cancer, diabetes, autism, $250,000 control group.
It's not genes.
Well, yeah, but nobody wants to be Amish.
I mean, do you want to be Amish?
I'm not going to go be Amish.
If you're not willing to go live like the Amish, I don't like no one's going to do it.
You're in my YouTube chat.
We're fat, okay?
That's that's why we have all this stuff.
We have old eggs.
The women, we're having kids too old and we're fat.
That's the problem.
Happy and healthy one-year-old, but will face the life-altering stomach removal surgery his dad underwent as a result of the embryo mix-up.
What would justice look like for the two of you?
I don't think there's anything that can justify what happened or what they did.
My son's still going to have the same future.
He's still going to have to live his life differently because of something that we tried everything to prevent.
Reporting for Fox 11, I'm Chelsea Edwards.
Chelsea reached out to the Huntington Reproductive Center for a statement.
They have not yet.
That was almost ethical, IVF.
I mean, I don't really have an opinion on it one way or another, but that was almost pretty understandable.
You don't want your kid to get cancer.
Fertility specialists using assisted reproductive technology to make the pregnancy dreams of patients come true are now facing a new and complex ethical dilemma when it comes to what to do with abandoned embryos.
None of us were really trained on what to do with those.
It's a dilemma.
It's a conundrum.
It's a problem.
During the IVF process, doctors often create multiple embryos, which are then either implanted or frozen for use at a later time.
If a couple decides they do not need the remaining embryos, they have the following options.
They can destroy them, donate them to research or to another couple, or continue to pay storage fees, which could run anywhere from $400 to more than $1,000 a year.
Yeah, so there's all these embryos that are just sitting and none of these clinics know what to do with them.
And they're not federally regulated.
So what do you guys think realistically they're going to do with these embryos?
In many cases, patients stop paying their about a quarter of the frozen embryos at his clinic have been abandoned.
And according to experts, it's a problem in fertility clinics across the country.
Over time, more and more embryos have accumulated that have been abandoned.
I know of organizations that have bats of abandoned embryos and they're afraid to discard them.
It's unclear exactly how many frozen embryos have been abandoned nationwide.
Some doctors estimate the number to be in the hundreds of thousands, while other studies suggest it could be in the millions.
Adding additional complications to the debate, the fact that embryos are fertilized eggs, meaning they have a potential for life.
Alyssa Strauss and her husband turned to IVF to conceive their second child after she was diagnosed with secondary infertility when her son was just five months old.
By the way, when women are infertile, if it's not endometriosis, a lot of times they don't tell you this.
It's an STD.
It's like HPV or some other STD that left them that way.
A lot of you guys get trapped where the woman says, oh, I'm infertile.
It's like it might be that.
They were faced with the decision of what to do with their remaining embryos.
All of a sudden, you realize that you have these two things and they're the size of a poppy seed, but at the same time, they're kind of the most important things.
Alyssa says she wasn't prepared to make the emotional decision.
I just wanted to be a mom with a new baby.
You know, you're talking to someone that's so desperate to have in the end just an embryo that's going to work out for them and to kind of bring up you might have extra.
I don't know how you emotionally can handle that.
The Strauss is easy.
At some point, you're going to have to.
MPA says 15% of women will be infertile in the U.S. and 25% of female doctors are infertile.
Well, it's because they're throwing it back, you know, throwing it back raw.
They get too many gonorrhea diagnoses or whatever.
And then boom.
And then now women are giving birth to kids with STDs.
If you have an incurable STD that's going to be passed on to your kid, you might as well just not have them.
That is not fair.
To face down the decision.
So the more we talk about it, the more people say, hey, you're going to have this big decision to make.
30, Doug MPA says 30% of the women in the military are infertile.
You know, I've heard a lot about these military women.
I have not heard great things.
I won't lie to you, ladies.
I've heard terrible things about you.
It's going to be tough.
Here's some ways to think through it.
You know, the less likely I think we are for people to be stuck in that indecision, which is so common.
We've dedicated our lives for building families and throwing embryos in a biohazardous waste container just seems really wasteful.
Concerned about the increasing number of abandoned embryos, Dr. Sweet has made his clinic a non-discard facility, meaning all of his patients must agree they will donate and not discard their embryos.
He says he made the decision for ethical, not religious reasons.
We have to take a look at this and go, this is a problem and we need to try, try to solve it.
We may not be able to solve all of it, but I do think we can make things better.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
I got to be honest, guys.
You know how men can spread their seed?
Now women can essentially spread their eggs.
That has never, you've never been able to do that in history.
Would it be, it would be the man and the woman's eggs and sperm, but I think women can donate their eggs too.
It's kind of cool.
Only guys have been able to do that ever.
Worried that the longer we wait.
Like if I, I'm not going to do that.
I'm going to say, I'm not going to do this.
So don't go around saying I'm going to do it.
But I'm just saying hypothetically.
I could donate a bunch and then I could get like a half Asian pearl, right?
And then a half black pearl, like mini pearl kid.
And then a half like Latina and then a white, like a ginger.
Do you see what I, do you guys see what I'm saying?
Like it could be only men have had the opportunity historically to do that.
Now women can do that.
Bigger the problem will be.
So given this issue, some doctors say that the fertility industry needs regulation.
For example, Germany and Italy both have laws that only allow three embryos to be created and transferred at a time.
So that avoids surplus embryos altogether.
But as of now, Pearl Reed, is there anything good that you have to say about IVF at all?
It gave us Nick F. I'm indifferent to it.
I'm not for or against.
I'm indifferent.
There are no national laws in place that address these abandoned embryos.
So it's up to each and every doctor to handle this on a case-by-case family.
And of course, with the families as well.
Yeah, and families are making really tough decisions, too.
I mean, egg donation.
$1 million.
You guys can have one.
A million dollars and you can have a little pearl.
A lot of people for religious reasons, you know, they will not destroy that embryo, obviously, but I can only imagine how tough that is for folks.
Yeah, it's such a personal decision.
So in the meantime, they have to pay every single month.
Or sometimes you just pay every year to make sure.
Okay.
All right.
So we're going to do a call-in.
Now, Doug MPA is going to come on first, and then we're going to allow other people to come in.
These are the questions that I'm going to give you guys.
And when you come on, you're going to have four minutes each.
So make sure you get to your point.
And when you guys do come on, you can answer any of these questions that apply to you.
So it's not required that you answer all of these.
So I first want to know: do you guys have any personal stories with IVF?
Do you know anyone that's done it?
Has anyone you've dated tried to do it?
Is it something you've done?
What was your experience life like?
Second question: how do you feel about it personally?
And if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a child, would you consider IVF?
And would it change it if she paid for it?
So, yeah, let me guys, there's going to be a link in the chat.
Let me know when Doug MPA is up here.
Also, side note, guys, my song is on Spotify.
I'm going to put it in the comments after the show.
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What's up, Doug MPA?
How are you?
Pearl, how you doing?
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm good.
So the sad part about it is women are just waiting too long, man.
They're just waiting too long to have kids.
I know three people, and they only put the positive parts of IVF on social media.
They don't say the negative parts.
Because to me, the saddest thing I've ever seen a woman go through is: okay, women, they say they don't want kids when they're young because they want some kind of control.
Like, oh, I don't want kids because it's cool to say, you know, to fight the patriarchy and being a breeding, a breeder if they say they don't want kids.
But they're leaving off the last part of the sentence.
They don't want to have kids until they've got a bachelor's degree or a master's degree or they make six figures or they buy a house or they've been to Turks and Caicos, all these different places.
But most women will cross that stuff off their list and they want to have kids, but by then it's too late.
So I had a friend who was a teacher for 20 years and she got to be a vice principal and she married this guy and she wanted to have kids at 43 years old.
And she went through three rounds of IVF and couldn't have a kid.
So now she's crushed because she can't have a kid and she's around kids every single day because she works in a school.
Don't you think she didn't want kids then?
Because like if she wanted to, she would have done it.
Well, she was focused on her career.
Yeah, but that's like, that's like the fat guy that says he wants to lose weight and then just keeps eating.
You know what I mean?
Like her revealed her life choices showed she didn't want kids.
I would agree.
Yeah.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to argue with you.
There's just a social infrastructure in place that make it okay for women to take this gamble.
These women think that IV, you read the stats.
A lot of women just think that IVF is 100% guaranteed.
And it's not.
Not even close.
Well, and the other.
Go ahead.
Well, the other.
Sorry.
No, the other problem is they look at rich women.
Like, okay, so it's like 50-50 for IVF, right?
Like before 35.
So, okay, like Kim Kardashian and Giselle Janko, whatever that, Tom Brady's ex-wife, she's got a 5% chance after 40, but she can afford to do IVF every month.
Yeah.
She can, you know, she can do IVF.
You know, if she's got a 5% chance and she's doing it for four years in a row, do you know what I mean?
She's got a better, better odds than you who has enough money for one round.
Do you know what I mean?
Does that make sense?
Yeah, that makes sense.
Well, that's the thing because the delusion, see, women spend a lot of money.
Women have no concept of violence and they have no concept of like spending money responsibly and resources.
A lot of these women think that.
And then also, remember, baby rabies is real.
A lot of women, they just want to have the baby and they'll just figure it out afterwards.
Yeah.
We got.
Sorry, go ahead.
And even worse are these, because guys, put in the chat, what are the worst, what's the worst kind of single mother?
The one that was married and divorced, who's a single mom, the baby mama who's never married, or the single mother by choice.
In my opinion, the single mothers by choice, these women who choose to go through IVF with sperm that they don't even know who the father is.
So their father, their child's never going to know their father.
And have a baby through IVF.
These women are the scum of the earth.
Absolute worst.
Your child's never going to have a father ever.
You're so selfish, you and a child, that your father, the child's not going to have a father, you're going to spend all this money, and then your child's going to grow up at every single statistical disadvantage ever.
The most selfish women in the United States right now are these single mothers by choice.
Well, and they don't actually want to be a mom.
They just want the clout of a kid.
Like there's a difference between a woman that wants to be a mom and a woman that wants a kid.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Like it's like the women that put their kids in daycare.
I mean, there's a difference.
Like, I know there's some where they have no choice, but a lot have a choice and just don't want to be a mother, right?
They want to do other things.
Whatever that woman, you know, it is.
And you'll still see the set.
Okay.
When the fastest growing group of single mothers, when I was young, it was teenage mothers, like 15 to like 18 or 19, right?
Now it's women between the ages of 33 to 37.
And why?
What happens at 35, guys?
They smash into the wall, right?
So these women, I call them buzzer beaters.
They want to sneak a kid real quick before the clock runs out.
Now, only 2% of babies are born from in vitro fertilization and insemination, right?
So what do most of these women do?
They find some loser who is losing.
Yeah, exactly.
They can get pregnant by, but those women have, they have that excuse that people always believe, oh, he didn't want to step up to the plate.
He didn't want to be a real man.
B you, he had four other kids.
Yeah.
What made you think he went?
But I say this because the single mothers by choice, Pearl, what excuse do they have?
None.
What excuse do they have?
Or the sper, like the ones that go, I know someone that did sperm donation.
And she was pretty old.
And her kid has like a birth defect because of it.
She didn't do IVF.
Like somehow she got pregnant naturally, but it was just really old.
How old was she?
Do you know?
Was she in the late 40s?
I think early to mid-40s.
God, man.
And we're not going to, you know, I think the reason why there's so many children with developmental delays and birth defects is because older women are having older children with their older eggs.
Yeah.
I don't have any scientific backing for that, but if you ask me, that's why I think it is.
We got Matt coming in, and I'm going to read the chat while he comes in.
A guy can do it at any time within reason.
So they get the career and the money to care for the wife who concentrates on the child rearing.
Children require a lot of energy from their parents.
The younger the parents, the more energy they have.
They're healthier too.
Okay.
Hello, Matt.
Welcome to the show.
So we got two questions, or you can answer any of these questions that apply to you.
So the first is: I'd love to know if you have any personal experience with IVF, either either a woman you know or maybe someone you dated.
How do you feel about it overall?
Or if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a child, would you consider IVF?
So feel free to answer any of those that apply.
Oh, he left.
Well, I guess we're going to go to the next one.
Um, okay.
Hello?
Hey, how's it going?
Uh.
Hello, how you doing?
How are you doing?
This conscious energy.
You know, speaking to you with the spectacular vernacular, doing it all legal so I can fly like an eagle.
I'm sending you tons and tons of good energy, Pearl.
Take that, take that.
On a beautiful day, we just breathing that good out.
You know, I wanted to talk about this kerfuffle just for a few minutes.
You know, first off, I want to say I've been watching your channel a long time.
You probably never heard of me.
My name is Conscious Energy, but I've been in your chat room trolling sometime as a DBZ Nation.
You know, I'm always in your chat room.
Good to hear from you, bro.
Good to hear from you.
You're always really positive in the chat.
So thank you for coming up.
Yeah, man.
I'm always saying, you know, Pearl is our queen, whatever.
You know, I just be trolling, but is this Steve or Doug?
Doug NPA.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, Pearl, I just wanted to talk for a few minutes about the kerfuffle, you know, with the ladies and the embryos and whatnot.
Okay.
And it brings me to a story that happened with the Kardashians.
I don't know if a lot of people remember, but Chloe Kardashian and I believe the oldest sister all froze their eggs and, you know, in California, because it's very expensive.
But I think Chloe Kardashian, she froze her eggs and she was paying like, I think $50,000 a year to keep them froze.
And so what I think, because like I said, I'm just speaking from a male perspective, respectfully, but what I think is going on, keep in mind that broke women are women who don't make a lot of money can't much afford to freeze their eggs.
It's very, very expensive not only to extract the egg, but also to freeze it and to take care of it.
And I think that Courtney Kardashian, I think she went back, you know, she just had a baby with that with the rock star, you know, that play the drums.
And she almost in her late 40s and she was able to use her embryos.
And so as far as you know, Travis Parker.
Travis, yeah, that guy right there, you know, interesting.
But, you know, it's just like I say, it's nothing, it's nothing that a regular nine to five everyday woman or man can afford because it's very expensive.
And I only think, you know, people of well means can afford to even freeze their eggs.
Go ahead, Pearl.
So would you consider it if the woman paid for it?
Well, of course, of course.
But you'd be okay with it if you were dating a woman and she said, look, I'm a little older, but I'll pay for the IVF.
And I mean, I mean, if you're dating an older woman and she wants to, you know, have kids, whatever, I mean, hey, you know, she wanted to pay for it.
But like I said, it's very expensive.
I mean, somebody, if you making under, let's be honest, if you're making under a hundred grand a year, you probably can't afford to extract the eggs to freeze them and to take care of them.
And that's why I think a lot of the goals you sound like a lot of doctors don't want to throw away the embryos because it's still like a human life.
But I think, you know, some of the companies don't have a choice because the women, they can't, some of the women can't afford to long-term care for those embryos.
So, you know, they end up in these unfortunate kerfuffles.
You know what I mean?
Totally.
I think it's a thing where women get what they want and then they don't care about the rest of it anymore.
Right.
So if they're trying for a baby, then when they get that baby, they're like, what?
All they're focused on is a baby.
They don't care about all the rest of it.
And, you know, something before I go, Pearl, I just want to say this.
I'm so glad that you got your monetization back.
You know, all the haters, all those female haters and male haters who was throwing salt and hating on you.
I'm glad you got your monetization back because you were able to, you know what I'm saying, so the people can see that we really support you.
No, I'm saying, and you show up every day.
You do very great content.
You're one of the rare women that I really respect on YouTube.
You created your own lane.
You're not out here buck dancing and jiving and shooking.
I mean, you do your own content and you stand on business.
So I really appreciate that, Pearl.
I just hope you continue to do your content.
I hope everybody in the content, everybody make donations to everybody hit the like button, man, because we got to support our queen.
Thank you so much.
That's very kind of you.
Yes, indeed.
Well, you take care, Pearl, and Doug, you take care too.
And maybe I hit a link further in the future.
Cool.
Calling us.
All right.
Take care, Pearl.
Peace.
Bye.
let's do andrew welcome to the show andrew Just a reminder, the questions that you can answer, and you don't have to answer all of these, just the ones that apply to you, are, do you know, do you know anyone personally that's dealt with IVF, either, you know, a sister, friend, girlfriend, whatever?
And if you were dating an older woman and she wanted to have a child, would you consider IVF?
Mike Check, yeah.
Andrew here.
Hi, Pearl.
Thank you for having me.
My wife and I have done IVF.
She has stage four endometriosis.
And we were attempting natural conception.
Didn't work.
So yeah, we did it.
And yeah, it's super traumatic, to say the least.
There's so many things that go into fertility issues that aren't spoken about, mental health issues, physical issues that women go through, especially women with endometriosis.
Apparently, women are born with endometriosis and it shows up the first their first menstruation.
The only way to stop it is to get pregnant early.
So, all that to say, our experience with fertility issues and IDF kind of showed how much the social norm of, you know, today is, you know, the woman wants to have her career, get established, have some savings, buy a house, and then have kids.
But a lot of women aren't able to do that.
And by the time they figure it out, it's much too late.
How much did you?
So, did you end up getting pregnant from it?
Or not you, but her.
Did she end up getting pregnant from it?
Yeah, we have two babies.
We have one two-month-old and one two-year-old.
And how much did you guys spend total?
Like, ballpark it.
You don't have to give an exact amount, but can you ballpark it?
Yeah, yeah.
So far, it's been right around 60,000.
Okay.
And how many rounds did you guys do before you got pregnant each time?
So when we found out she was not able to have children naturally because endometriosis ravaged her reproductive organs, she was 32.
So we made the decision: let's go all in on IVF because nothing else is going to work.
So our first retrieval, which is the process of getting the eggs and harvesting just eggs, she produced a lot of eggs.
So that's the most expensive part because after you do that, well, assuming you're going to fertilize them immediately, which is recommended when you're fertilizing, when you're harvesting eggs, the embryos are created.
So that's the most expensive part.
That was around $40,000 to $50,000.
Okay.
And then we've done a total of three transfers of healthy embryos so far.
And each one of those is around $6,000 to $7,000.
And one embryo did not survive the thawing process.
And one ended in miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy.
Okay.
So two out of three worked then?
Correct.
Well, two out of four.
Two out of three transfers.
Two out of four embryos survived live birth.
So you were basically the stat, which is 50%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you said every woman's born with endometriosis.
Could you tell me?
Because me and Doug MPA were talking about that earlier.
I was wondering, it's so common.
I was wondering if it was some sort of STD, and he was telling me it wasn't.
No, it's not.
The exact etiology is hard to pin down for scientists and doctors and researchers because the symptoms only present once the first period happens.
So once the first period happens, when the child is in their pubescent, post-pubescent kind of pubescent stage, the endometriosis starts to do its thing.
It's where the lining, the lining of the uterus is thickening and sloughing off, and that happens outside of the uterus only with women in endometriosis.
So that the only way to stop it from getting worse to stage four level, which where my wife is, because she had never gotten pregnant naturally.
And then when we started, when we got married, she was 29.
So that's 15 years or so of, you know, every month, the endometriosis is getting worse and worse and worse, which is kind of why I brought up, which is really, really fascinating, which made me think like I have two daughters now, right?
So I'm going to be encouraging them to not just pursue like education, but also pursue love and relationship and pursue healthy relationships and not to put those things off if they present themselves, if somehow they found a suitor or a man or whatever to not say, oh, well, I need to get my degree because a lot of times, given our situation,
it's not the right decision if being a mother is something you really want.
My wife chose not to get married, not only because she didn't really have help finding a man, but also because she was told the right thing to do is to go to college and get your degree and get established and buy a house.
How old were you when you had your how old were you and your wife when you had children?
Oh, yeah.
So my daughter's two.
So I'm 36.
So I was 34.
My wife was 36.
Okay.
So because I said it earlier, there are too many women relying on IVF as like their as planned parenting, pretty much.
Yeah, I think, yeah, I think you're right.
If you could talk to a room of women who were, you know, fresh out of college and saying, I'm going to wait, what would you say to these women?
I would say, wait.
They say, you know, I'm going to do IVF.
So I'm going to freeze my eggs.
What would you say to them?
I would say I would strongly encourage them to rethink that.
I would try to separate it out.
I mean, some women don't need to be having kids.
They probably shouldn't have kids, those women who were probably saying that.
Just speaking directly, because it's a bad decision.
If a woman graduating college do not rely on IVF, do not rely on science because it's not, the journey is a lot darker than you think.
You're going to have to put your body through a lot, your mind through a lot, and your plan for life regarding money through a lot.
So it's not a good decision to walk to use that as a family planning tactic.
I think it should be reserved for people who are infertile, not because people are thinking they can tailor their.
Did she know she had endometriosis?
Or was that something she found out?
No, it was something we found out during the fertility stage.
I'm sorry, go ahead, Pearl.
What were the like her symptoms?
The symptoms were very mild for my wife.
The main symptom was infertility.
There was some pain.
Traditionally, you hear that there's like immense, you know, 10 out of 10 pain, but hers was more seven out of eight pain during menstruation and cramps.
I guess it feels like the worst cramp she ever had.
But hers were pretty mild, so it wasn't immediately noticeable for her.
Some women, they get the symptoms a lot sooner and a lot more severe than my wife did.
I have this thing.
Okay, so these single mothers by choice that willingly go through IVF by themselves or they get inseminated by themselves, I say are the worst women on the planet, right?
And only child syndrome is a real thing, but I've always wondered these women who have an only child, but they paid like $50,000 to have that child, is that going to make them even more of a spoiled brat?
And I say this because do you see, I mean, this is, you don't have to answer because I don't know.
I'm going to answer to ask this question.
Do you see your kids differently because you had to spend so much money to have them?
Understand what I'm saying?
Like, is that a factor into your parenting or how you see your children at all?
The fact that you had to spend that amount of money?
Because I think that we're going to have a bunch of single mothers by choice who are going to spoil their kids rotten and let them get away with aggravating because they paid $40,000 or $50,000 for their child.
Yeah, I think for just personally, no, but I think that's an interesting thought that you have.
I would say personally, no, for me, because being a mother was something my wife, you know, it was kind of a thing that she's always dreamt about, but was never, you know, it was just more that than I need to have this because, you know, if I'm not this, I don't know.
I think sometimes women think of children as accessories.
And then once they get presented with motherhood, it's an inconvenience.
And I think that's where the spoiling comes in because you're just trying to get this child to get away from you or to, you know, to be the good accessory that you want it to be.
I think that might have a little to do with it, but that's just that's that's an interesting thought, though.
Um, what were the side effects that she had?
You said it's a lot darker than like they say.
So, what did you mean by that?
I think fertility issues for women are a very dark thing for women to experience.
Um, because we're talking about a woman going into the proposition of being a mother, and that brings up a lot of emotions, I think, that were not previously there for women if they were preoccupied with other things.
For instance, you know, our journey was: okay, we thought we're doing the right thing.
My wife, you know, her thought was, I did the right thing, I'm going to get married, you know, after I'm, you know, established in my career a bit, and which is why, you know, she got married at 29, but not only the previous man she was with, she was with for 10 years, and he just kind of never proposed or never kind of showed initiative to want to marry her.
So she left him.
And, you know, when we was to have a family, she was.
So we got married.
But, you know, when you're dealing with fertility problems and then you're presented with the fact that you might not be able to ever have children, you enter into this kind of reality of like, I never thought my life would not involve having a family.
And for a lot of women, a lot of men too, it becomes very depressing.
And then you have to deal with navigating the medical system while you're depressed, while you're downtrodden.
And there's a lot of trauma that comes with fertility treatment when you're not successful, when you're spending all this money and then it's not working.
Or, you know, for instance, if you're waiting way later, my wife was 32 when she had her egg retrieval and we had 28 eggs, which didn't all make it to the embryo stage.
Only six did.
Some women, they'll go through that.
They'll go through that process and they'll not come out with anything or come out with one embryo and the embryo has, let's say, a genetic malformation, and the clinic will say, no, we're not going to transfer that embryo.
And then now, what did they do?
And these women are usually older, just, you know, because as you age every year after 35, I think the amount of eggs you start to produce lessens by 10%.
And then at 35, it's already really low.
So I just meant.
No, sorry.
No, sorry.
Finish.
Yeah.
So I think mainly it's the trauma, the mental health.
It gets really dark, especially if you're not able to deal with those things on your own.
Hopefully, you know, you've got about this if you're going to decide to do IVF or decide to have a family later.
If not, it's just simple.
The only way to beat endometriosis is to get pregnant as soon as you can.
So, you know, for women who do have it, hopefully they can find out as soon as they can.
As soon as they do find out they have it, they should stop screwing around.
I mean, even my wife, I think, you know, there was a period between her first relationship and me that she was kind of just traveling or working, hanging out.
And it's like, she didn't really take it very seriously.
But I know she would have probably attempted to find someone a lot sooner had she known.
Was it painful at all?
Like the procedures or whatever?
Like, did her body have side effects from like the drugs she had to take?
Definitely.
Well, yeah, not the drugs.
The procedures were painful.
It was a lot of procedures.
They have to, you know, it's just this whole process.
If you think of like plants, I don't know if you have a garden or anything, but there's a lot of stuff you have to do to the ground before you're able to like start a garden.
And that's kind of a good analogy for all with the doctor because it's all of the, you know, they had to do these scopes and go into her uterus and clean it out and had to do all of these things.
And then not to mention the birth process for women with endometriosis is pretty tough because all of those years of endometriosis causing damage, it causes fibrosis.
And when fibrosis sets into your reproductive organs, they don't stretch as well.
And then usually these women are having to have C-sections.
And when you cut into tissue that has fibrosis, it bleeds a lot more.
So each time she's gone into labor, we've had to do a C-section and she's lost a ton of blood.
It's the last time she had major complications, including like a pneumothorax.
They had to remove like a big fibroid.
There's just all kinds of issues, which were super dramatic.
And I think a lot of that too has to do with having kids later and then the recovery process also.
If she was in, you know, if she was in tip-top crazy shape, I think the surgery recovery would have been easier.
But, you know, as you get older, you may become a bit more sedentary.
So she probably didn't recover well because of that as well.
So a lot of these things, I think, you know, had to do with being a little bit older.
The endometriosis, okay, because I was just wondering why it came up out of nowhere.
And so that makes like it didn't seem like that was a problem 50 years ago.
So that what you said about pregnancy like stopping it, that makes perfect sense.
Yeah.
Because there's no more periods.
And yeah.
I think a long time ago, it wasn't a big issue because women were getting pregnant.
You know, they were getting married in their early 20s.
That's only a few years of endometriosis doing its thing.
And I've talked to a couple older ladies.
I work, you know, with a bunch of nurses.
So we talk and they were saying, you know, women in their 50s and 60s, they were saying when they were in their teenage years around graduating high school, they would do a surgery to, if the girl was having a lot of pain during their period, to diagnose endometriosis early.
It was just a normal thing for them to do.
And if they said they did have it, then they would, you know, kind of carry that process of having kids along.
So it's kind of they treat it differently now.
They don't test for it at all until you're showing symptoms these days because there's no treatment besides pregnancy.
I don't think doctors these days or the medical system is looking at pregnancy as a treatment anymore because I think that well, I know for a fact that doctors are looking at pregnancy as kind of like something that a woman could either choose to do or not choose to do, which is which is the correct, but I'm just saying for women who want to have kids, they should be encouraging them to get pregnant.
But that's just a tough test to do.
It's a surgery, so they have to do like a lapostopic surgery.
Okay.
They go in and they harvest a biopsy or they go in and look around with the scope.
So it is a surgery.
It is hard to test for.
There's no other test for it.
Oh, okay.
Because I don't know what else he would do.
It's not like girls in their early 20s are going to want to get a surge or you know what I mean?
Well, it's very minor surgery.
So, I mean, I think if my kids are, I have two girls.
So if they're having like major issues with their periods, I'll probably encourage them to take a look because my wife has it.
Oh, yeah.
You know, so yeah, but I can see where a normal, healthy woman would not want to have surgery.
That's normal.
Yeah.
Well, thanks for calling in.
That was just really informative.
I learned a lot.
Did you have any?
Yeah, we are faced with an issue, though.
Like, we have two embryos left.
The last two C-sections were pretty traumatic.
So we have to figure out what we're going to do with these embryos.
My wife is, you know, she's a soldier.
She wants to try to have them both.
But I'm just really scared because it's like, I don't want her to, I don't want her to die to try to have these two embryos, you know, during a C-section.
But it is very expensive.
It's about $1,000 to store them per year.
And then there are only the three options.
So, yeah, we're kind of, and we look at it as those embryos are ours, like the ones that didn't make it like broke our heart.
You know, those are our potential children.
And so I think we come from it from that perspective where it's like we need to figure this out.
And it is a big problem, though.
That's why I think this conversation is really important because I think a lot of people, they don't think of it like that.
And that's pretty troubling.
What are all these embryos just doing there chilling?
Do you think the technology is going to evolve so women can regularly have kids in their 40s?
Do you see that happening?
Yeah, definitely.
Really?
So you think it's going to get better?
Interesting.
Okay.
I don't think it's going to get better.
I just think it's well, they're going to, I don't think it's a good thing, but I think they're going to kind of perfect this process.
Yeah, but you can't fight biology, though.
You really can't.
Most of infertility is due to age.
So if they can get these eggs frozen and get a ton of them frozen and then decide to unlike, that's kind of what the rich people do.
And then they can go ahead and put those embryos together in a lab as they meet, you know, people they want to have kids with later on.
And if that's not until 40, I mean, a uterus is viable and it's a healthy organ.
So into their 40s, it could remain that way.
If, you know, the egg factor, I think, is the main part of fertility issues for women past 35.
Really?
Huh?
Not the healthy women.
I saw an article on this website.
It was some feminist website saying that you should get your daughters egg freezing for a graduation call undergrad graduation present.
I couldn't believe it.
Well, I don't know, Doug, MPA, there's so much money, like that they want women to think we're going to be young forever.
So, like, the guy that figures out how to get women pregnant in their 40s is going to make a billion dollars.
I agree.
Like, yeah, so like, that's the question.
I'm not saying, like, I just, I wonder in my lifetime how common it's going to be.
That's kind of my question.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it became a IVF became a political issue this last presidential race.
I don't know if you saw any of that, but it's becoming something that I think politicians are realizing is something that people are really wanting to.
Yeah, because everyone kind of bent the knee to it.
Everybody did.
Yeah, yeah.
And both pro-life side and the pro-choice side.
And I think the more that they politicized it.
I actually wrote a paper about this.
The more that they politicize it, you know, the more the lobbyists will get involved, the more the insurance companies will get involved.
If it becomes covered by insurance.
It already is.
It already is.
It's not widespread covered by insurance, but it is sometimes partially covered by insurance.
I saw an article where law firms and then medical doctors' offices and medical networks are offering female doctors and lawyers IVF and egg storage in their insurance plans to keep them from having kids until later because most of the time when they have a kid, they're going to leave the profession or only go to part-time.
Right.
Yeah.
To keep that talent in the talent pool.
Yeah.
See that.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Someone said Hallie Berry had her second child at 47.
No IVF.
Do you believe that?
No.
Yeah, that's what I think.
You guys got to see it.
Naomi Campbell.
That's like the women.
Oh, wait, wait, Pearl.
It might be IUI, which is instead of putting the embryo in there with the catheter, they put the egg in there with the catheter, and then they put the sauce in after that.
The sauce.
So it's just kind of a workaround.
Naomi Campbell had a kid at 52.
She kept her eggs, and then she got, you know, she's IVF and had a surrogate carry the child, but she's a mother at 52.
And then the brat, the rapper, her and her wife, they took her wife's eggs out because she was 40 and the brat was 47.
They took the wife's eggs out, but she had a bunch of, she had a bunch of blood clots and complications from the egg retrieval process that they recommend that she not carry the child.
So they got the egg fertilized and then the brat, the rapper, carried the child and gave birth to the child.
What a time.
Insane.
Well, thanks for calling in, Andrew.
I think we got to move on to the next caller, but you've been really informative.
So I really appreciate you calling in.
Yeah, thank you so much.
Yeah, anytime.
Great topic.
Thank you.
Yeah, call in anytime, okay?
Thank you.
Who is next?
We can put in, okay, we got Trump Quest.
Some lady had a natural baby at 60.
Wow.
Did he get on or no?
Trump Questie there.
Okay, we can just go to the next one then.
If they both get on, though, we'll just tell them to wait.
Hi, Carlos.
How's it going?
Lady had a natural baby.
Make sure you mute me in the background.
I'm about to do that.
There you go.
So, hi.
So, do you have an experience with IVF or someone that you know?
I don't, but I'm really interested in it.
I watch YouTubers that, you know, talk about it.
There's a couple actually that's popular for that.
I don't know if I should talk about other YouTubers, but yeah, like, so what I, the issue that I wanted to talk about was, so humans, for a long time, we had like this evolutionary pressure that helped us, you know, get to where we are right now, right?
We're intelligent, we're healthy.
But right around the industrial revolution, there was this problem where we have so much abundance of resources and medicine that these evolutionary pressures went away.
So, for the future of humanity, you know, I don't think we're going to run out of resources anytime soon.
And I do think that IVF is going to be, you know, as the technology gets better, it's going to be, in my mind, it's like the only way that we can keep evolving because we don't have these difficult environments anymore, you know.
We have plenty of food.
And yeah, that's basically, that's pretty much the main point.
I don't know if you have any opinion about that.
I do.
So if we have plenty of food and resources, then I think that it would be better for women to just have children younger.
Yeah, but you know, we're not going to do that.
But I'm just saying, rather than pushing this IVF stuff, if there's so much abundance of resources, well, then I don't know why women feel the need to have to, you know, pay $100,000 for a liberal arts degree to get a job making $35,000 a year when they can just have a kid.
Because they don't want to spend their youth on a man.
It's either we force women to be mothers or we give them choice.
You know?
Because I think that, in my opinion, is kind of what it comes down to.
Do we want to force them?
Is that even possible today?
And by having kids younger, I mean like early 20s, mid-20s, guys.
Get your heads out of the gutter.
Come on, man.
No, I know what you meant, but I just, I'm just, I'm looking around and I don't see that happening.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, I don't think the college girls tomorrow are going to say, yeah, I want to be a mom.
They want to go party in Miami on a boat with Drake or something.
So because you're answering Carlos, are you pretty much expecting to be in your 30s or 40s and meet a girl in her 30s and 40s and say, I want to do IVF?
Is that pretty much where you see the outcome?
If I have the money, I would do it.
It's just that it's pretty expensive and you want to get a good doctor too.
But yeah, like I think, like I said, some of these people that I follow, you know, with all of these, you know, like problems that we have in society and all of these carcinogenic and all these other weird diseases that come just from the environment.
Yeah, like I just think that I really don't see a future where we're not doing that.
And I think I think something about, I heard something about the Trump administration making it easier, more accessible.
And I guess one last point regarding that is, yeah, like I just, I guess, how else are we going to, you know, evolve, right?
It's like, what's going to happen if the technology gets to the point where the children of people who, you know, can edit the genes of their kids to be very healthy and intelligent are outcompeting the ones that are natural, right?
I think you're going to have a like a very large demand for IVF.
I take it that the main sort of reason why people do it now is just to like freeze their eggs, right?
So they can basically postpone being a responsible adult and a parent.
But yeah, like I just, I just strongly believe that that's like the future, you know, for humanity.
Well, I'm just going to add one other thing.
So remember, the rich people are having kids.
Maybe they're putting off kids by head and having IVF.
The middle class are the ones not having children.
But poor people are going to keep having kids, though.
Right.
They're going to keep having kids.
So there's that too.
Yeah.
Well, do you think that if it was accessible to the middle class?
And, you know, like, I guess that's a strong selling point is it's like, oh, do you want to have healthy kids that are going to grow up to be engineers and doctors?
Like, you know, if you had that.
I think it's going to be more accessible.
I don't see a world where I kind of agree with you.
I don't see a world where this doesn't happen.
Yeah.
Like, I think there's too much money in it.
I just don't see it.
My question is, how much can they really delay fertility without there being major issues?
But in 20 years, if women that are 45 and 50 are regularly having children, no.
Oh, my God.
Well, their first kid.
You know what I mean?
My grandma was around 45 when she had her ninth kid.
But it's going to be kind of crazy to watch first time.
And I think my mom was like 42 or something.
But again, it was like her sixth kid, right?
So, you know.
Okay.
Well, thanks for calling in, Carlos.
It was an interesting point.
Feel free to call back anytime, but I think we got to move on to the next caller.
Sounds good.
Have a good one.
You too.
All right.
We got.
Sure. You can just let them both in.
Let's see.
Okay.
We got.
John, welcome to the show.
Okay.
I'm going to have, I hope I'm saying it right.
Ahan, go first.
Welcome.
Thank you so much, Pearl.
Welcome to the show.
What are your thoughts on the topic?
First of all, I've been watching your show since last two years when Pearl was like a few thousand followers.
Wow, thanks.
I would like to make it clear.
I would like to make it clear.
I really appreciate the stuff that you talk, that you mostly talk about.
And I'm actually joining the show from the other side of the world.
I'm in Pakistan right now.
So a few things that might be not suitable for the audience in terms of cultural difference.
But I have some points because I work with American companies.
So, you know, I understand the culture.
I understand what people are going through and what kind of conversations are now.
We like all perspectives.
So you can, yeah, that's fine.
That's amazing.
So giving you a little bit of background, I'm 29.
I'm father of three.
I got married when I was 23.
So three kids.
All praise to God.
So now coming to the topic, I don't want to slack around it.
IVF.
First of all, my degree is in biotechnology.
So I understand the whole thing, what this is all about.
One thing I would like to add to the last caller is when they say this is like, imagine having kids at 40.
First of all, women are not built like that.
Their body, you know, this is biology.
This is human life.
It declines and cannot withstand all the nine-month course of pregnancy.
Right.
Through the, you know, that kind of thing.
So they'll have that first of all.
The eggs will go in, they might get pregnant, but it'll be a miscarriage, is what you're saying.
It will.
Because the thing is helping them understand there are two parts of pregnancy.
First is placenta coming from the man, and then there is the uterus from the woman.
So if placenta is good, if the guy is young, his health is good, but if the uterus, where the whole thing is going to happen for nine months, is not in a position to hold the growth and the hormones and changing all that, there's not going to happen.
It's nothing going to happen.
And it will be a miscarriage.
It will be not only physical damage, but also mental damage, depression, anxiety, women on some sort of drugs or whatsoever.
But at the same time, what we are pushing toward is delaying kids.
It's a problem not only for the women, but also for the men.
So if you're in your post-30s or close to 40s, it will be difficult for you to impregnate somebody because your sperm is not that agile.
It's not going to be that fertilizing or that strengthened that it will impregnate an egg in an IVF situation.
First of all, IVF is an artificial, artificial environment.
Slight changes, one or two nutrients going up and down, the whole process can't happen.
If you have 10 eggs with IVF, you can impregnate at least three, and there is a chances of about 20 to 30% of them to go to the full pregnancy.
And even though in most cases, first three months is a critical time.
So within the first three months, the pregnancy goes away.
There's very few chances.
I've been around people that done that process.
They were blessed.
They had money, everything.
But it's a big toll on the woman's side.
It takes a lot of experimentation going on back and forth.
So making it available to middle class or poor people is also Fogazi that people are talking about.
And I don't think so is coming any forward.
Pretty soon, people will realize that we have to go back to the same thing, which we used to do, getting married in early ages, being a responsible person and repopulate the earth.
Do you really see that happening?
Because I don't see any trend or data anywhere that that's going to happen.
The only investments I see is into technology that's like, I'm not saying what I want to happen, but I look at the trends.
I'm like, I don't see it going any other way.
But I'm open to being proven wrong.
So feel free.
No, no, no, it's not like that.
I would say, I would say data is one indicator, but on the other side, when things go wrong, people tend to go with the processes which work.
That's how human evolve.
And when they see something is not working out, they'll go to something that used to work out.
And again, I would say this is natural selection.
So if somebody thinks they're so smart and they're going to dodge the whole nature cycle, eventually what's going to happen is nature is going to catch up with them and they will be obsolete.
Their gene will be out of gene pool.
And some poor guy with 11 kids or 10 kids or 5 kids is going to replace that gene pool.
And what you're going to do about it?
Do you know what, though?
Do you know what I mean?
Do you know what, though?
I just, I think the problem is social media.
It doesn't even matter if the technology works.
Women just have to believe that it works.
Does that make sense?
I think that's the caveat.
Go ahead.
I understand.
Even though living in a third world country, I'm looking at the present situation out there.
I'm a kind of a social person.
I like to go out, sit with people, talk about these things.
Because let me tell you guys, all the viewers that are watching from Europe or America or something like that, anything you guys discuss eventually gets discussed among us as well in the third world.
Because you guys are now being the first world nation, you guys are the trendsetters, right?
So when you bring something in discussion, that also gets discussed among us.
So we see there are a few problems with the Western way of thinking.
And eventually you guys are going to realize yourself as well.
And that's where we're going to go.
Do you see any of the trends that are happening here happening in Pakistan?
Yes.
First of all, the feminism, third wave.
Women don't think they should get married.
I'm in a Muslim country where.
So you agree, the trends are going the same way.
I was about to ask that.
I've always wanted to get a person's picture.
How does the feminism work in a predominantly Muslim society?
How does that work?
Well, I would like to add one thing.
If you, some of the people that understand the religion out there, especially Muslim religion, feminism is not something which should have affected us because the way Islam talks about women, except the Fox News and ABC,
whatever news channels you guys are watching there, women already have a lot of rights, which in post-1900, women in America and Europe got when we had those rights in our culture since the beginning.
So if we take the litmus test of modern Islamic, so-called Islamic countries, that's not a justice with the religion, to be very honest with you.
So Muslims are very immune to this thing, that it's not going to affect us because here women don't like to go out work.
Muslim women, they think that the best thing they can have is a good husband that takes care of them.
But now, when you get shamed for choosing the motherhood, it eventually catches up.
So young women that are going to universities, that are watching YouTube and all the Netflix and all that stuff.
So they think that they know something better.
And now, I'm married.
I see people around me that are not getting married.
They wish traditional ways, but the way they act is like modern and all that.
So now there is a big, big lag, which women think that it's their own fault.
I have one more question.
So we have Christian feminism in the West, especially the United States, where women in church ended up.
You probably see stories, but is there that going on in Pakistan with a Christian kind of Islam?
No, I'm sorry, a feminist kind of Islam developing?
Yeah, women wish they should bring something where they can demean men.
But the thing is, our society is mostly predominantly patriarchal because men do most of the work.
In third world nation, you know, you cannot afford to be a feminist because life is not that easy.
When you go out, you know, you don't get to be, I would say, being in air conditioning, transport, going to the work, and you have like privileges and all that.
This is like a cutthroat society where everybody's trying to make their living.
So they're trying to become that.
But when they go out, when they face the music in the real society, they understand the better ways to be sit at home and/or maybe, you know, do something like business-wise and have a husband that take care of them.
Right.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you for calling in.
I have to move on to the next caller.
It was pleasant.
Thank you so much for having me.
And I really appreciate you guys keep discussing such things.
It really, you know, I would say make it make a difference.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Jonathan.
You, Pearl.
Do you have anything to add?
You're on mute.
Yeah, you're muted.
If you unmute, now can you hear?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Hello.
Welcome to the show.
Oh, welcome.
It's my first time on the show, but I've been watching it from a long time now.
So I like this team.
Well, I'm from Nicaragua.
Okay.
And based on this theme that you're having tonight, I've been listening very carefully.
But I don't really see lots of that problem on here.
Women stealing the eggs and stuff like that.
You see, you do see that happening there?
No.
Oh, you don't.
You don't see that happening in Nicaragua.
Yeah, it's not really.
So you got a lot of strong women from here.
And most of them are still pretty at their party, even 15.
So would you see stories like this whole IVF thing or women doing IVF by themselves?
What do you think?
At first, it's strange to me, you know.
I would imagine so.
Because it's like, I don't know.
Sometimes I listen to Pearl Team and like, like, you know, some of those theme, like feminist things and stuff like that.
You know, some of them we do have, but really, like this kind, you know, let's go back to finance.
People don't even have money for that.
So, you know, and they're very percentage, it's very low in barren women.
So you got a lot of people who, even though we have kids like 15, 16 years having babies, you know, very good.
And they go right up.
It's like, I believe the food they eat, the water they drink and the air, you know, everything is much more natural.
So it's like, let's go back in the 80s or in the 90s.
People are still strong on here.
Yeah.
Well, thank you for so much for sharing your experience.
It's always cool when we have people from other countries calling.
I think we got to move on to the next caller, but thank you so much.
You're welcome.
You're welcome, Carl.
Take care.
Put in Matt next.
And I think that's going to be the last caller.
Hey, Matt, how's it going?
Oh, not bad.
Oh, sorry.
You're okay.
So, what are your thoughts on the topic?
To be honest with you, I'm okay with it.
Women are so screwed.
All right.
Our collapse for society is like imminent.
So, all you guys out there that have all kinds of resources that you kind of want to hand off to a son or something like that, you might as well just take advantage of the technology and save yourself.
At this point, like I mentioned in the YouTube chat, you know, there's enough, there's research going on there about external gestation.
You know, and Steve mentioned there too, you got CRISPR technology.
So, you might as well create a synthetic human there with no gender and hope for the best, I guess.
That's what I think about it.
So, so would you do it if you were if you had a wife or a girlfriend that had fertility issues, or would you dump her and find someone younger?
Where would you go?
Well, to be honest, I wouldn't mind having somebody younger, but the problem is I ain't really attractive very much in my demographic of the world, unfortunately.
Where are you at?
Yeah, I'm in New York.
In Winnipeg actually, and then i'm kind of heading, getting ready to move further north, there into Tulon, Manitoba.
What kind of women do they have, like like lumberjack woman or whatever?
Well, you know, if you like, if you, if you like toothless, toothless Indians, and you know, and that's cool, they say that like there's these trad women in the country that are just like waiting to like make bread.
Do they not exist?
No, waiting to tap cheese for maple syrup?
Right yeah, are they there?
Like the kind of like, the kind of women out here are not bad, but they're just okay.
Manitoba is like this weird zombified province.
Okay, it's like okay, you know, if the universities I go to, you think that there's going to be dorm rooms of lots of you know you'll, you see all you know you go into, say what do you call it?
Um, like UCLA, whatever it is, and you've got the protests.
We're gonna snop out all those Christians and we want uh, anti-abortion and pro-abortion, and you got all these people that are ready to kill each other.
So you got a little bit here in Manitoba there, like in the, in the University OF Manitoba, for instance, and everybody's like yeah we, we don't like abortion, and everybody's just like, yeah, you know, whatever there's, there's no, there's no.
Frat houses here, there's no, there's no.
Uh, so people don't, people don't hook up.
They're not like doing anything no, it's just like it.
Just this place is, you go to school, you get education, you get the out, you go to work, you get your work, you get your money and you get the out.
And most of the nightclubs are well, there's a couple of clubs here in Winnipeg, but they're just kind of around.
There's like three of them and there's nothing, a whole hell of a lot to do.
There probably is a lot of hookup culture, but it's just so scarce and empty and zombified.
I'm like these women are not celibate.
They're doing some what?
No no, they are.
You're absolutely right.
I'm just saying that Winnipeg Manitoba, is a place of just zombified people like I don't get this, for the men too.
It's, it's.
It's a very weird place.
Everybody's all fluoride, damage or something around here.
Like it, just like it.
Just they're like you.
I have to wonder if they're even human beings.
You go, if I go, into north Dakota, just south of the border, and you start noticing a radical change in culture.
But as soon as you get across, as soon as you cross over the Canada border, northern Manitoba, everything is just zombie.
So you, how old are you?
I'm 40 years old.
So if you met a 40 year old woman and she said let's give it a go with ivf, you're down.
Oh, I said there, you know, might as well just grow it in a maturation chamber.
But you're, you're in.
Yeah, it's just like you might as well.
Like I need.
I, like i'm an only child.
Okay, I got no brothers, sisters.
I got thousands of dollars worth of resources.
Where are they gonna go?
You know you might as well.
So okay, do you know anybody that's done it personally?
No, actually.
No, you don't.
I don't think i've never even seen the procedure available anywhere in this part of the country.
I'm pretty sure it might be somewhere, but i've just never heard of it, even for being offered in this area.
So when you meet your like maple syrup queen up there, you can you have to fly her to like you'll fly her to wherever, whatever the big cities are in Canada.
I don't even know.
Probably have to fly her to Texas or something or LA or California where they screw everything right up.
Maybe we'll get a fertility doctor on the network.
You can't beat them.
Join them.
Do you know what I mean?
Well, absolutely.
Like there's all kinds of things that can be done.
Like for God's sakes, you know, there might even, I've come across some really interesting research in, actually, believe it or not, in electromagnetics.
This is very advanced electromagnetics.
I bet you the other guy from Pakistan would love, I'd love to have a conversation with him.
Okay.
That there may actually be possible to, like, for instance, a 20-year-old woman, if you were to grab a bunch of her eggs, that you could actually almost digitize the complete genome section into a computer and then actually put it back in.
You can see if the kid's going to be ugly or not.
Well, hold on a minute.
It might be possible to digitally change DNA.
Like it might actually be possible to reach in your ovaries or eggs or whatever it is or your ovaries and re-stripe them like a VHS cassette.
Hey, I said a million, a million dollars.
I'll sell one.
I wonder if they're going to have a racket where they'll pay 20 to 25 year old women for their eggs for people to use.
I bet.
No, they do it already.
That's a thing.
Yeah, that's totally a thing.
Yeah.
Okay, I didn't know that.
Well, now with the, like, with the ability, like the DNA inside human beings, believe it or not, has all kinds of information and it's really fascinating.
So it's totally possible.
So let's just say, Pearl, 90 years from, not 90 years, no, it's too full already.
Let's just say 40, 50 years from now, your mother's walking around with a cane.
She's got gray hair.
She's lost all her teeth.
I came across Russian research, which I kind of lost during a police raid, but it was very, very in-depth about a woman in her 90s growing back her teeth by taking light from one of their daughters.
So laser light would shine on the gums and then come back out through a quartz fiber back to another woman, to her mother, and shine that light onto the damaged section of the mouth and able to actually regrow the tooth.
And part of the reason why is as you age, it's like having a VHS tape or a cassette tape and the tape gets chewed up.
But if you were able to restructure that genetic sequence, which much of it exists if you had offspring, there's entirely possible that the immune system can actually rebuild that damaged section of DNA.
So presumably.
Isn't that what Assassin's Creed, the game, is about?
Well, I don't know about that.
On this play, on this way, they have a thing with Assassin's Creed that's kind of where you could tell someone's history through their DNA.
I was making a joke.
Never mind.
Well, actually, you know what?
There might be something to that, unfortunately, which I won't get into it now because if you want to know more, I can give you more, but it's off life error.
I've seen two stories where the daughter had something go wrong with her uterus, which she couldn't carry a child.
So her husband and the daughter had the mother carry their child.
So the mother gave birth to the grandchild.
Then I saw a story where the son was infertile.
So the father, they used the father's sperm to impregnate his wife.
The dad didn't sleep with the wife, they used insemination.
So the father used his sperm to impregnate the wife, and they had a kid.
So they're raising his brother as their grandchild.
That's great.
It makes perfect sense.
Like, you have to understand, like, you can do this all with computers now.
Like, analog to digital conversion technology and instrumentation is so advanced now that you're probably, there is more than enough computing power to be able to digitize enough of the genome spectrum at high bid rates to be able to take it off of, say, a sperm sample and re-stripe it onto another sperm sample.
Like, there is more than enough technology to do that now.
I want to spread.
I want to spread my eggs.
You know, guys can spread their seeds.
Well, yeah, no, that.
Well, if you've got enough computer conversion technology, it might actually be possible.
Why not?
I know it's funny, but it might actually be possible now to do that.
Dang, that's so crazy.
Thanks, go ahead.
No, no, no.
I was going to say, thank you for calling in, Matt.
He put in the chat.
What's the show about?
I'm calling in.
So I knew he was going to come in through always a good calling, Matt.
Thank you for calling in, bro.
Thanks, Matt.
Call him anytime.
Thank you very much.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
I think there was one super chat I didn't read.
It was.
Let me go up.
Let me go back.
Also, thank you to everyone in the Audacity chat.
We love you out here.
Doug MPA, isn't the Audacity chat awesome?
Yeah.
The YouTube chat, the Audacity chat, and there's a bunch of new faces and both.
So thank you guys for being in both chats.
We really appreciate it.
Thank you for all the donations.
And if we ever do a show about IVF again, Pearl, there's a guy, a British guy who met this single, he came to the United States and moved to California, and he met this single mom of three.
They got married, but he they wanted to have a child.
But she was in her late 30s and he robbed banks to come up with money for they went through seven rounds of IVF to have their child.
He robbed banks to pay the money back.
And so he got caught and had to go to prison.
Yeah.
He sold like $80,000 to try to pay out because they went over $100,000 in IVF debt.
He robbed banks and got thrown in jail and then got deported.
I would just take that, Al.
Anna says, great show tonight at the topic commentary and guests were very interesting.
Captain says, I think a lot of autism comes from ultrasound scans.
This is because the technology was designed as a weapon.
Let that sink in.
I don't really think so.
I think the old eggs makes way more sense.
I think that's, I think that's everything from this chat.
I think there was one super chat I missed.
Okay, what are your final thoughts on the topic, Doug MPA?
We're going to see more and more women counting on IVF as a family planning strategy.
We're going to see more single mothers by choice.
You're going to see more women getting disappointed because he can't fight biology.
He just can't do it.
And yeah, and single mothers by choice are the worst.
And that's it.
Emma says, congrats on remonetization.
My final thoughts are that I expect this to get worse.
I don't see it getting better.
And I know I'm black pilled, guys, but I'm a happy black pillar.
So that makes it better.
Okay.
I do think it's going to be more common for women to have kids in their late 30s, 40s, and even 50s.
I don't think the majority will be successful, but I think there will be enough that do it that will spread hope to all women to make them think that they can be them, but they don't have their money, resources, or looks to pull it off.
Similar to Taylor Swift bagging an NFL athlete, Super Bowl champion at like 36 or whatever she is.
You know, she gives women hope everywhere that they can do that and they can't.
I think it'll be something similar.
Do you agree with that, Doug MPA?
Regrettably, yeah.
I mean, that's the reality, the sad reality.
But we're happy people, so it's all right, right?
You know, okay, guys, thanks so much for watching today.
I love having these interesting topics on the show.
So if you guys have any suggestions, put them in the comment section below.