Doug MPA and Pearl dissect Sienna Swim’s 2022 sexual assault allegations by Jack Wright, which cost her $100K+ brand deals despite no legal proceedings. Wright’s viral claims—backed by 23M views—detailed boundary violations, including groping and nakedness, while Sienna denied specifics, citing a manipulated Medium response and lack of evidence. A 2020 Snapchat video, originally shared as "cringy," was later edited to imply assault, though she argues it showed consensual affection. Swim’s silence for three years worsened backlash, contrasting cases like Kobe Bryant or Jodi Arias where careers recovered faster. The debate reveals how social media’s "court of public opinion" favors guilt over innocence, with Swim advising men to fight false claims aggressively—yet her own advice risks weaponizing systemic distrust. [Automatically generated summary]
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I am your host, Pearl, and today we are going to be talking about women getting falsely accused.
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Okay, so today we're going to be talking about the trend of women getting falsely accused.
Normally, when you hear false accusations, you automatically associate them with men.
Every day, men get put in jail because of the words and actions of vindictive women.
And every so often, the tables turn and women have to face the possibilities of being falsely accused.
That's what we are going to talk about on the show today.
Back in 2022, Jack Wright accused Sienna Mae of sexual assault.
We are going to go over the case and talk about which side you guys are on.
Now, Jack Wright and Sienna Mae Gomez starred on a show called Hype House on Netflix based in LA.
It was content creators living together, forging brand partnerships, and addressing online haters, drama.
I mean, we've seen the streamer trend for a couple of years now.
Now, two weeks after the show premiered, Jack Wright posted a video detailing the SA allegations he experienced from Cienna Mae.
He accused Sienna of non-consensual touching while he was incapacitated and other inappropriate behaviors.
After Wright posted his video, Sienna lost upwards of 300,000 followers on TikTok, denting her TikTok following of over 14 million at the time.
Sienna made a video weeks later denying the accusations, and Netflix chose not to include her on the show because of the allegations.
Now, Sienna's first response was a long form article on Medium.com addressing the entire situation.
She wrote, I apologize if there were times where I made you feel uncomfortable.
I am sorry if I ever did triggering things and you have experienced or had any feelings of discomfort.
But anything I did, I did unknowingly as our physical relationship on camera was of closeness and familiarity that I had to know, that I had known to carry on in our real lives.
That said, there was a distinct line between that and sexual assault.
I'm so sad that this is where we ended up, and even more so, that I'm now being used in a new and even more hurtful way.
The situation between CNMA and Jack Wright fostered conversations about the backlash survivors receive when coming forward and the darker aspects of teenage internet fame.
The back and forth between CNMA and Jack Wright went on for months and more with more accusations of sexual assault against Sienna being levied against her by other male TikTokers that they were both associated with.
CNMA and her lawyer appeared on the BFF podcast along with a forensic expert and expressed the following: There has been no police report filed, there has been no police investigation, there has been no civil complaint filed.
Honestly, at the end of the day, it's all just a video online.
CNMA's lawyers spoke about creators' options moving forward, including suing multiple people for defamation.
So, we are going to go see the original video that Jack Wright posted.
But before we do, today I have a special guest on the show.
Our moderator, Doug MPA, is actually here in studio.
Welcome to the show, Doug.
Hey, everyone.
How are you doing?
How does it feel to be in person, see the show live?
Surreal.
You know, I've been a mod on your channel four years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Since the beginning.
And I'm actually here.
So it's kind of a surreal feeling.
But well, thank you so much for coming.
So we're going to get into the video, but what are your initial thoughts on the situation?
On my channel, I always say that feminism, okay, the world's never going to be fair for men, right?
So if women want equality, they're advocating for life to be just as difficult for women as it is for men.
So you're going to see more of this happening.
Yeah.
You know, this is what they fought for.
You know, do you have any sympathy?
No.
You know, I want to see more women getting having to pay child support, alimony, you know, getting boxed up by the police, you know, getting judo throwed by police when they shoplift.
You know, yeah.
I want to see, you know, this is going to have to happen enough to women for them to want change in the laws.
Yeah, because there's no benefit of the doubt given to men.
And it was interesting because when this went down, I was on TikTok at the time.
That's where I started.
And I remember, I remember just thinking it was kind of BS to me at the time, but no one gave her the benefit of the doubt.
No one else had that thought.
The public opinion was completely on the guy's side, which is so rare.
That never happens.
But when we see what he looked like, yeah, this guy is like super chad.
Yeah, here, let's go to three minutes.
I was thinking the only other man where the public opinion went on his side, and it wasn't even immediately, but Johnny Depp where the public, and I know it's still mixed, but the public is more on his side than normal, right?
No, no, no, no, at the time when she wrote that op-ed, that was literally, you know, in the M2 thing.
So no one really gets, I mean, the people closest to him, and maybe some men did, but the general public sentiment was against him at the time.
Yeah.
Well, I'm saying now because now, yeah, because now, like, it's a little bit different than five years ago.
And he's one of the men I've seen being at least retrospectively given the benefit of the doubt.
And that was almost unheard of like five years ago.
I can see that, yeah.
I only really would argue that he got that because he's a good-looking guy.
Yeah.
He's a Hollywood heartthrob, and he's never really had any negative allegations or anything against him historically.
Yeah.
Okay, we're going to play the video.
Oh, shoot.
I think his video was one of the reasons why I was okay and was able to not come out with like an aggressive statement like her.
I was able just to, I knew the truth.
I knew what she did to me.
Sienna and I met four years ago in high school.
She was dating my good friend.
And basically, it did not turn out well.
She cheated on him two times and it kind of like created this whole problem in her friend group.
I'm the type of guy that's all for like mind you.
They were both 18 at the time when this happened two years ago.
So they're both in their 20s now.
So everything he's talking about, all this foolishness was like when they were in high school.
Yeah.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Second chance with the people and I always try to see the good in people.
I was in the hype house.
I was going back and forth from LA and Sienna had just gone viral on a couple videos.
He reached out to me and basically asked if I want to do an interview with her in LA and I said, of course.
We hung out, reconnected.
I showed her around the hype house, introduced her to all my friends, and I was happy for her.
And we just had fun hanging out.
I just want to clarify that we both knew that we were just friends.
She was sitting and talking to other guys in LA all the time.
And I just thought of her as a good friend.
We were making videos.
We were making dance trends.
We had fun.
It was just strictly friends.
And we both knew that.
At this point, nothing inappropriate was happening between us.
We were just friends.
Everything was fine.
This next part of the video is very difficult for me to talk about.
I've been wanting to talk about it for a long time.
So the first incident where Sienna crossed boundaries is after filming.
We went into the room.
I was just chilling on my phone on the bed and she got naked, like completely naked, nothing on, and straddled me when I was literally just chilling on the bed.
But I didn't know what to do in like the situation because it was just like random and weird.
Quickly told her, Sienna.
It's the first time I've ever heard a guy complain about a woman getting naked in front of him.
I've never heard that as a complaint in my life.
So I'm going to.
Especially like not like she's not ugly.
You know what I mean?
Like she's a good-looking girl.
But, you know, but also maybe, I don't know if he was this smart, but you know, if you're working with a girl and your industry is social media, you have to keep those lines.
You know what I'm saying?
Because it can start out nice and good, but then, you know, you have something going with her.
Then she gets scorned and then she rips everything.
Then she burns the whole house down.
And, you know, the simps are always going to believe her.
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Get off.
We're just friends.
Stop.
They're trying to make out with me.
They're like just doing a bunch of things to me.
And I kept on saying, Sienna, stop, get off.
Like, I didn't want to be aggressive.
I didn't want to hurt her, you know?
So I pulled her off of me and it took like a couple of tries because I didn't want to be like too rough.
And I went out of the room and that was like the end of it.
The next morning, where she was like, I'm so sorry for doing that.
That was, I don't know what went through my head.
I had to clarify again that I didn't like her that way.
We were just friends.
She said, sorry.
That was it.
After that, these type of things kept happening.
She would do something and I would forget.
Okay, but it's like, why do you keep it?
It's the same question I ask the women.
Why do you keep going back if she's assaulting you all the time?
I don't know.
Do you believe him?
What do you think?
I think that I'm going to stick with what I said originally.
I think he had a responsibility to keep her off.
I don't think that I think if they weren't in a social media thing, it would have been just normal stuff.
But I think he had a greater, so I think that she did come on to him because before this show, I watched some of their old TikToks and stuff.
And she looked like she was more interested in him.
I mean, she did a TikTok called I Love Jack Wright, like straight up.
You know what I'm saying?
But I think he just wanted to hold the line and say, I can't.
Because, I mean, especially with her track record.
So I think that she did something.
And I don't think it was inappropriate, but he had to hold the line.
Yeah.
They're working together and stuff.
So they're technically co-workers in a house on a show.
So that could be.
Oh, I see.
Give her and she said it wouldn't happen again.
And we would go on and making fun videos.
After all those type of things kept on happening.
The Hawaii incident happened where I was passed out unconscious almost like the whole night.
She got on top of me, took advantage of me, groped me.
I'm so glad they pulled her off of me.
And honestly, I'm glad that they have evidence.
After she and I found out about the video, she said, sorry.
She said if this got out, she would be done.
That is horrible.
And she's working on boundaries and she was seeking therapy.
Pearl, I wanted to say one thing.
There have been an influx of female teachers, you know, as saying young male students.
Right.
And I hate when guys are like, whoa, she was hot.
So no.
Minors are victims under the law.
Yeah.
And because, and that could extend further out.
Women, if this would have been a man and these allegations were he was cooked.
So he like men have to be able to do the same thing.
Like, use the same tools that women use.
It is fair play now, guys.
This whole thing of men having to hold the higher ground.
No.
No.
If a woman assaults you, press charges, guys.
Press charges.
Don't let these women get away with anything.
So the only way they're going to learn is if this happens to enough women.
Yeah.
The website, by the way, guys, if you want your comment read, you go to the live chat on the website and then I do read them.
Craig says, Pearl's been funny lately.
Keep it up.
Thank you, Craig.
Johnny says, Pearl, no one ever wants to mention the lower rate that women pay for life insurance.
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Not equality, but by any means, equality is impossible in this society.
In Moby Dick, a preacher gives a sermon that includes this: Pearl, Jonah did the Almighty's bidding.
And what was that, shipmates?
To preach the truth in the face of falsehood.
That was it.
It's what you do.
Never stop.
Thank you, Johnny.
And shortly after, there was a party, I was taking pictures with a couple other girls.
We took a picture.
Sienna came in, started screaming at me, got mad at the girls, told me to come to her room to talk to me.
She started screaming at me, and I was like, Sienna, there's no reason for you to be mad when you're getting with other guys in LA.
I can't just take a simple picture with a couple girls.
That's when she pulled me in and grabbed me and tried to make out with me.
And I got pissed and told her to leave.
I want to stay at the party, and she kind of had already been yelling at every single person in the party.
So two friends wanted to take her home.
And while the car was moving, she jumped out of the car, rolled, and said, I have to get back to Jack.
So I ran back to the house.
And I was like hiding from her.
And I was just waiting for her parents to finally pick her up.
Looking back now, I don't know why I stayed friends with her, stayed around her.
I truly thought she was going to change for some reason.
I feel like she'd say she had so much love for me and she truly cared for me.
And then the next night she would do something like that.
She knew I had those boundaries.
So when I was at my most like vulnerable state, like when I was arguing, getting heated, or when I was asleep or passed out, that's when she would take advantage of me because she knew I was at my most vulnerable state.
When I'm awake, I hated it.
I hated that touch.
I hated any intimacy with her because I knew we were just friends.
I didn't want that from her.
And especially with like the past couple things she did, I didn't want anything to do with that.
Over the next couple of months, I was stuck in this toxic cycle.
I was stuck with her crying to all my friends saying that I didn't like her back and why don't I like her back?
And she get mad at me.
These social media women, guys, you gotta avoid women where their industry is content.
Yeah.
They're the craziest ones.
Well, minus Pearl, Pearl.
No, no.
Look, I've seen a lot.
I agree.
Yeah, you understand what I'm saying, right?
I've seen a lot.
Oh, my God.
I've seen women leave their families for social media.
Yeah.
Who's that one girl that just does the interviews with celebrities, the white girl?
Oh, Bobby Altoff.
Yeah, who smashes all the rappers now?
Isn't she like late 30s and she had two kids and she walked away from her?
No, she, I mean, she was young.
Okay.
She was like 26.
She had two kids.
And she left her husband to freaking get dug out by a bunch of rappers.
Drake.
Yep.
Yep.
Me for not caring about her as much as she cared about for me, but she'd also be doing these things to me.
I would go see other guys in LA.
So it was like when at all I couldn't get out of this.
She would constantly come to my house, remember my door codes.
Like it got to the point where I had to start screaming at her to get out of my house because I was so sick of her just like breaking into my house.
I would wake up and see her car just sitting outside at like two in the morning.
She would break into my house and when I was sound asleep, she'd come to my room and I'd wake up to her hand in my pants.
And it wasn't like the only time it happened to.
I'm sorry.
I don't believe him.
I know.
I know you're saying like press the charges against the women that do stuff.
I don't believe the women either though.
I don't believe anybody.
Like if she was harassing you, then stop being around her.
The same way.
I'd say the same thing to the women that claim they were abused and blah, blah, blah.
But you were with him for three years.
Get out of here.
So, okay.
A guy like this, do you think?
Because a lot of women, okay, women have beta male orbiters.
Yeah.
Because they like the attention, right?
Yeah.
Do you think it goes for guys like him too, where they're addicted to the attention?
And the reason why they don't cut the woman off is because they know that the woman likes him and he just wants that.
Yeah.
No, totally.
But like, I think it's your responsibility.
Like, if somebody is like, if somebody's treating you a certain way and you don't like it, but you keep signing up, I'm like, why are you like, it makes me think it maybe wasn't as bad as you're saying if you signed up for two years.
And I think the same with women when they say they were like abused, but you were with him for like five years.
Yeah.
Or they were in toxic relationships.
Yeah, for like seven and a half years.
Are you serious?
Or it's like, was were you doing anything like to make her think that maybe it was more?
I don't know.
Like, but I say the same thing to women, you know.
I don't know.
I was so like used to it.
I was so used to it that it I don't know.
It was just like normal for me that like I didn't think there was such like a problem at all.
Like part of me wants to blame myself for being nice and sticking around after so many, so many times.
But now I realize that I was stuck in this like manipulative cycle of her acting like she extremely cared about me.
And then that night she would do stuff to me.
And it was just so normal for me.
I got used to it, which sucks.
I feel like.
What parts of this do I believe?
I do believe she was hitting on him.
I do believe that.
I do think he's over-exaggerating.
I think it's going to go both ways.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm a, maybe I'm a fence sitter today.
Just real quick.
So how, because these people all have a team around them.
Yeah.
Right.
I wonder how the conversation went before he uploaded this video.
Because he had handlers like kind of directing him on what to say.
Yeah.
And then like the timing of it.
What do you think motivated him to put this video out?
Well, in her video, she like she said that it was she wanted to stop making videos with him.
That's what she said.
Oh, I don't know.
So she had what she said in her video.
You didn't see it?
Like she said that she wanted to stop making videos with him because it was too like confusing for her.
And she just like liked him.
And like, if you don't want to date, I'm like, I'm done.
And I think she was going to make a video, right?
And I think saying that they're not going to do content together anymore.
Yeah.
And I think he maybe was scared that she would claim some of the things he's claiming.
And so maybe he hit the ground running.
Because when a girl's making a video, even if she says it's not going to be mean about you, you don't know.
Yeah.
Women are so vindictive.
So he's like, oh, shit, she's making a video about me.
She has the power to ruin my career if she wants to.
Because women will air you out.
Yeah, let me ruin hers first.
Yeah.
And you guys remember, women will make a result or say a result.
So they'll say something happened, leaving other women or the court of public, the court of public opinion to try to figure out a cause.
Yeah.
So she could have said, oh, we're not doing content together anymore because something's happened between us.
It's like, oh, man.
And they're automatically going to assume that something bad happens.
Yeah.
Where if a man, if a man, if a man said it, they would just be like, okay.
Yeah.
Like, no one should have to go through.
It's real.
I almost feel like I owe it.
Real quick.
So do you think that him preemptively putting out this video was a good thing or a bad thing?
At the time, good.
I mean, look at this shit.
This got 23 million views.
Even her response got 2 million back.
I mean, it's kind of backfiring a little bit now, but I don't, because here's what I think.
I think they probably flirted with each other.
She probably took it too far.
Unfortunately, like, I kind of think most of those laws are bullshit, but they are the laws.
So I don't know.
Like, I think they both probably could have said essay because of how broad that term is.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Like, that term is so broad that if either of them wanted to, they probably had something.
Yeah.
Like, if she want, if she went to the internet first, she could have, like, because their relationship was so flirty, I'm sure there was something.
And also, remember, people always remember the first version of the story first.
Yeah.
And then she's been on defense this entire time, which is why there are other people in the space, the web space, that say, if your wife says anything about divorce, you know, go to the call for joint custody or you should file first.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Yeah.
Owed it to her for some reason.
He said, how could she say essay?
Well, I mean, there's tons of video.
Like, the thing is, there's so many videos of them together.
I am sure there is one out there that exists where she could say it wasn't consensual.
Like, the same way Blake Lively made up a whole thing saying it was not consensual.
At first, the entire internet was on her side.
But now the tables are turning.
Women can't really do that the way that they used to.
I don't know why.
Like, I felt like she had this like control, like this power over me.
I don't know.
I was like, I was like stuck.
And I feel like you should never have to worry about falling asleep and waking up to one of your good friends touching you, you know?
I was like terrified for some reason, which you should be for like a person.
One night she started ripping off my clothes, touching my crotch area, trying to make out with me.
I mean, it was just like same old, same old.
Like I say, Sienna stop Sienna stop, go back to the couch Sienna, stop.
So I like locked the door.
She was trying to get in and I literally just slept on the floor and she finally went to bed.
It's like very awkward the next morning and she'll say sorry and I'm like Sienna this, this happens so many times.
Like you do not respect boundaries, you just, oh my god.
So my dad was born and raised in Hawaii.
So we planned a trip to the beach house my dad grew up on in Hawaii.
And Sienna's family basically planned the same trip on the same dates.
They left a couple days before us and we were supposed to leave on a certain date.
But I didn't want to leave because she already left to go back home and I did not want to be at home with her because I know she'd find a way to start hanging out with me again.
So my mom got a text from Sienna's mom saying that Sienna is on a plane taxiing right now.
Hearing that she was coming back, it was like this cycle is never gonna end.
It's like it's gonna be like this forever.
That's like that's what it felt like.
She was always gonna make her way back towards me.
She wasn't respecting my space at all.
She knew I wanted my space.
There's another time I went to Hawaii with a couple friends for like my trip and she kind of found a way to get on that trip and we went to a party one night.
She got mad that I was talking to some girls and she took me into the bathroom to talk to me saying that she wanted to leave.
She was blocking the door so like I couldn't just like throw her out of the way.
All I had was stop Sienna don't do that.
If I come out she will like scream at me in front of everyone and think that I did something.
I mean just I feel like no one believed.
But yeah, she was on the counter and wrapped her legs around me and started like let me out of the bathroom.
Yeah, just weird stuff.
That night we went home, made sure we had like different rooms to stay in.
And I got in the shower and she picked the lock of my door.
I made sure to lock the doors, but she picked the lock and walked in.
I was in the shower.
All I heard was just, like, the door opening, and...
Okay, do you believe any of this, Pearl?
Any at all?
Because, I mean...
Maybe some of it.
Maybe, I would say, I would say it's half true, but over-exaggerated.
That's what I would guess.
I always say, look at things at like a 30% validity rate and see how crazy it sounds.
It's starting to get to the point where even at 30%, this is sounding kind of crazy.
Okay.
That's when I was just done.
I screamed at her, told her to get out.
She started crying.
She went and slept in my bed.
And I went to my friend's trundle bed that was like upstairs.
And that's how like the night ended.
So now we're caught up to when everything went public when Mason posted his tweet.
Since everything was brought to social media, multiple guys came out to me and said that Sienna did similar things to them.
And to a point, wait, she made me really uncomfortable.
I was drunk, sleeping on a couch and woke up to the homie saying, what the fuck?
Because she just got on top of me and was kissing my neck.
I don't want this to go anywhere, but I want to tell you, Sienna Loki essayed me when I was hella drunk.
And I was talking to a different girl probably six months ago.
Sienna Loki did the same thing to me at a party.
That was my house.
I was, that, that my house was throwing Jack was there.
I was drunk, but and so was she, but I was talking to her and she grabbed my face and started to make out with me.
And I was trying to push her off, but I never told her I wanted to kiss her or anything.
I was so uncomfortable.
This was before they were even a thing.
Okay, I don't want to make it public.
Okay.
Basically, I'll show the text right now.
I asked all of them for permission to post, crossed out all their names.
We don't want her to hurt anybody else.
We don't want anyone to go through that experience.
At the time, it feels humiliating.
You feel like you have no power.
You have no control in the situation.
You just, you feel, it's horrible.
I just want to start off by saying that.
Okay, so that's his side of the story.
How much do you believe?
Well, you know, my starting point is, you know, I want to see more women accused.
So guys, mount up, man.
So, so I'm automatically going to take this side because I think more women need to be made an example of.
But I just think that I think that he enjoyed the attention.
I think that if he wasn't a super chad, any regular guy would have liked to have gotten the amount of attention he got from that kind of woman.
But then also, you know, she's like, so I believe that something happened.
She's pretty, probably has gotten away with most things most of her life.
And then she, or has probably gotten most men that she wanted.
Then this guy, Jack Wright, she likes him, and he keeps saying no.
And she probably did the whole thing where if I just keep trying harder at an artist.
So yes, I do think something happened.
Okay.
So after this, she made a video titled, I hope they cancel me.
So just real quick.
So she didn't come out with a video to address this.
She wrote a long form article on medium.com that put the whole thing out.
But while I'm pretty sure she went to her handlers and they, but while they're writing that, she put this video out.
I'll pick hands on me.
Why?
So I can go be with my family.
Why?
So I can quit wearing this mask, though.
Tell them people kiss my ass, though.
I don't certainly.
I hope they put me down.
I hope they euthanize me.
I hope I never ever have to go on TV.
Motherfucker Jimmy Kimmel does not want to meet me.
I told my manager, no more parties at Los Angeles.
And so right now, my job is to lie down.
I hope they cancel me.
Why?
So I can go be with my family.
Why?
So I can quit wearing this mask, though.
Oh, the music.
Yeah, that's okay.
What?
What?
I mean, if you have copyright music, you have to pause it every five seconds.
Every five.
That's okay.
Yeah.
So then her YouTube channel starts losing a bunch of subscribers.
Her, same with TikTok.
She didn't post for three years.
So let's see.
And her most popular before this was 1.2 million views.
And then before this, she was getting like 29K a video.
So that's a really steep drop off.
70K three years ago.
Okay.
Then you got TikTok, same thing.
So she's getting real canceled on this.
she like loses um i'm trying to go before all this happened like half a million okay okay now here's sienna's and her lawyer at the time girls welcome to the bff's youtube channel make sure you guys tap the bell subscribe vehemently deny and it's been an ongoing people love me people hate me everything this look is unusual.
I'm going to say that right off the bat because like having your lawyer and a forensic guy is weird.
He's a little bit of a super simp, but I do love him.
Just so you know, Dave Pointnoy, he had false allegations against him.
Oh, really?
He had to beat.
Yeah.
And I don't know the story.
I just saw that, you know, one of the reasons why he wanted to platform her was because he had to face false accusations.
So that's why they had her on the show.
I've never done that, but it's your choice.
But I do want to.
I came in and I was like, holy shit, am I in the right Zoom room?
What is going on?
I feel you.
So is this your choice or their choice to be like, we want to be on the call with you?
It's a little intimidating.
I feel you.
But no, I just, I want to talk about my emotional state.
And like, I feel like what I want to touch on is like how I'm doing and like the emotional questions that I know you guys are going to ask.
But as for like, take a shot whenever she says like, guys.
Yeah.
She wants to go over her feelings, not the facts of the case.
And like the, so what's going on questions?
That's for them to answer because like I don't want to, I'm, I'm trying to, I don't want to butcher anything.
This is all like, now it's serious, you know, like social media.
Yeah.
Along those lines then, is there some sort of official legal proceeding going on right now?
So I'm going to take that.
Hi, everyone.
Thanks for having me on.
No.
That's right.
And that's really the point.
There has been no police report filed.
There has been no police investigation.
There's been no civil complaint filed.
There has been absolutely.
But for men, nobody cares if there's no case.
So can we talk about that real quick?
Yeah.
So remember, this is the court of public opinion.
Yeah.
Where men get crucified all the time.
Lose everything.
Okay.
And this lawyer on multiple interviews and multiple made sure to emphasize no civil charges, no criminal charges, no nothing.
But this is the court of public opinion.
Yeah.
You don't need a criminal case to get canceled.
And this cost her a lot.
As it, you know, so, you know, you can't control what happens in the court of public opinion.
And she had to find that out the hard way.
Yeah.
And she was getting like $100,000 brand deals before this.
Like at the rate she was at, she was probably making $100,000 per post at how famous she was before.
And so it's like, you don't get internet money and you don't like and not get what comes with internet money.
Like people always complain about being canceled when you get to make money on the internet.
Like it's a it's a privilege.
Most people don't get it.
It's like celebrities that complain about being famous.
Don't make famous money then.
You know what I mean?
Golay concrete instead of getting making money on the internet.
How about that?
Yeah.
Nothing by way of an investigation or any kind of legal proceeding filed.
Honestly, at the end of the day, this is all just a video online.
Right.
So then though, but then that begs the question, if there hasn't been a legal issue, like, why are you here?
She can't, like, there's nothing going on.
She could theoretically answer for herself.
Because obviously, there have been allegations made, right?
Obviously, there have been legal allegations made.
And at this point, after so long of just going back and forth online, and it's all just social media talking back and forth, it was time to actually bring in some professionals who are going to talk about what's really real and what's real is that there's nothing out there.
Okay.
I personally, again, as somebody, I think this almost makes it seem like something's real by involving legal when there is no legal, but that's just my take.
Like, I always think it's better to hear from the horse's mouth.
Like, I get, I always get when someone says, I can't speak on it.
There's a legal proceeding going on.
It'll be used in court, but there isn't.
We're not there.
So that's my personal off the jump with this.
I totally understand what you're saying.
Yeah.
I totally understand what you're saying.
But I think that with how like blown out of proportion this has all got, it's now like to the point where I just like can't even like deal with this stuff anymore.
Like it's literally just me kind of like focusing on my emotional state.
And then as everyone's like, what's going to happen next?
Like, oh, she's 18 now.
I turned 18 like a month ago.
She's 18 now.
Like, is something going to happen?
Like, I just kind of like, all right, I'm going to let my team just talk about this one and kind of like take this one because it's just like not even worth it for me to, you know.
Yeah.
And obviously, Josh Brief, feel free.
I do think in a situation like this, and I'm not, and I've watched everything, I've seen everything, and we've said in the beginning what we felt.
And I think we got crucified.
I tended to be, I looked at it on my side.
It's like, just highly appreciate you for that.
Well, and it wasn't even necessarily like because we'd met or spoken.
I was just, I don't think it was like a favor or anything.
Yeah, it was like if my girlfriend did that in a second, I would never, it's a nothing issue to me.
Like if I'm sitting there and my girlfriend climbs on me, now there's been all dispute on where this is going back.
I will say the seriousness of these allegations both ways, I think it's kind of disgusting that it's being played out on social media when it's getting that serious because those are serious things and nobody knows what's right and wrong.
Like you said, there's nothing wrong with when women do it, they're not crucified for it.
And they play out on social media.
He says it's disgusting.
He never would have said that about a man.
Yeah.
Wild.
So, but it has gotten to this point.
And he late, this is fast forward three years later, but he was the one who crucified Zach Bryan and let that completely play out.
I don't know if you saw the episode, but one of the girls that's on the show later dated a country superstar.
And on the way out, said that he emotionally abused her some bullshit.
And Dave completely simped and like put her on and did a whole episode about how he was abusive and none of them liked him.
Yeah.
And that's what I said.
I really do like Dave, but he is a super simp sometimes.
Sometimes he simps.
Even this interview is very unlike BFF.
So you want to treat it delicately.
Well, especially because I feel like when you just keep bringing this attention kind of to the sit, not you necessarily saying, I just mean like when people keep bringing the attention to the situation, it's just got to fuck up to people's mental health.
Like you and Jack can't be in the greatest mental health place when it's like this stuff is just constantly being brought online and just being talked about.
And then everyone's giving their opinions on you and what you should do and how you should live your life.
Kind of.
Yeah.
No, for sure.
Like if I'm being totally honest, I literally haven't been on my phone the past month.
Like I know that there's been like thousands of like YouTube videos I am and just talking about like just my character and I haven't seen anything and I just know that there's like I don't know I just yeah it's like I Obviously, am not doing, you know, 100% because how could you be when this is a terrible look for her?
This is she shouldn't have gone on this show.
Well, because the thing about it is, is men when they have an allegation against them, it's a different kind of shock.
Like, I'm not saying like now because she's saying like this is genuine shock where she didn't think this was going to happen.
Men, so many men have been falsely accused that they're shocked at having to figure out how to handle it.
But she's shocked that this is even happening to her.
Yeah.
So this is a whole different look on her face.
She's just.
And she doesn't know.
Like men know that their words will be used against them.
So they shut up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that's the, that's the thing because she now is trying to figure out how to talk without having it used against her and she can't figure it out.
But her biggest hurdle in this, and yeah, I don't, you know, is how does she tell her truth?
Yeah.
While not saying anything incriminating, you know, or when in cases of false accusations, everything could be used against you.
Yeah.
There's like just so much hatred, you know, and like literally just so much cyberbullying.
Yeah, on both parts, I could totally.
You know, I got no sympathy for people on the internet who get cyberbullied, even myself.
Do you know what?
It's just like, we ask to be here.
Nobody's putting a gun to your head and making you come on the internet.
If you go on the internet, you're going to get hit pieces.
You're going to get cyberbullied.
Either deal with it or don't.
Like, you don't get to make internet money without the cost of internet money.
You don't, you do not get both.
You get either the internet money and no criticism in your day-to-day life, nobody looking at your personal life, or you get the internet money.
It's one or the other.
You don't get both.
Do you think, do you think, like, bringing it, do you think you bring in the lawyer team and everything, do you think that's going to bring more attention to the situation?
Or do you think that's to like kind of quiet people down?
Or it's going to quiet people down?
I think it is going to quiet people down because it's just like, I literally have my lawyer sitting right here next to me telling you guys and whoever's going to see this now that there's nothing being done.
Like you can't just like, you can't just like claim with no credible proof because yeah, you guys have never had that.
There's a shocking awe right there.
She's literally in shock that this person said these things about her.
And the reason why she has her legal team there is because she's getting hit in her pocketbooks.
Yeah.
I guarantee you after this, all the money she done.
Shut off.
Yeah, she was coached.
So she's wondering, why am I having to pay for this when it's just words?
How many men have had to suffer through this?
And men lose their whole careers.
Yep.
Probably never had, or very few, I don't even know, had people being accused of like an actual crime, like an actual.
I actually have been in a very similar in which there's no, there's no, I'm actually reverse.
Like if people follow me, I'm actually suing.
Like it's very unusual because I've been accused of things.
Usually, and it's so untrue that I am now suing the people saying it.
There is, I'm the one who initiated.
So I get it.
I totally get that.
I don't know that the, and I was trying to prove a point.
So I get the lawyer.
I read through all and we'll get to all this stuff.
A lot of it seemed like things you already said, but even backing up, because I haven't heard you say it.
What the strangest part of this to me, I guess, is like you and Jack, like when you were on with us, you guys seemed like two peas in a pod, the original.
Seemed like you guys were like dating and everything, had like a relationship going.
So, what like do you have, if you look back on this, are you at any point like, oh, I should have seen a red flag there, there, that something was off with this relationship, or are you totally caught off guard?
And were you guys actually dating or never actually dating?
No, so we never actually dated.
Um, and was I, sorry, you asked if I was like caught.
It was like, well, it obviously, I don't, my guess is you didn't see this coming.
So, when you look back, were you like, maybe I should have seen a red flag in this relationship somewhere that alerted that something was drastically off between you two?
When all this dropped on back in 2021, whatever, I was literally in shock.
Like, I was literally so just surprised at like what was being said because it came from nowhere.
In my opinion, I was like, this, this is literally just pulled out of thin air.
And how many men feel like that?
Yep.
And once again, we have to assume that everyone's going to believe the woman and figure out how to do damage control.
Yeah.
Chat, Pearl Reed.
Love you, Pearl.
You need guests.
You are a fantastic debater.
Johnny says history is reminiscent of Jodi Arius.
Do you know who that is?
And Travis Alexander.
Jodi Arias.
Jodi was not going away quietly.
Who's that?
There was a case involving Jodi Arias.
I don't know the whole thing, but it was a case like a couple years ago.
Okay, Pearl, once Pandora's box is opened, the hunger will never die.
Physel, another round of guys with no balls.
What a shocker.
Can't wait for the next soy boy to come forward and whine.
Kyle, all I know is in a certain predic, is in this certain predicament is that it's a simp that fails to realize his mistakes.
And a woman who is a straight-up whore who cannot see, she might as well open up and only fans.
Do you guys find her attractive?
Can you put a poll in the chat if you find her attractive?
And it was would or wouldn't.
It was literally just as shocking to me as it was to everybody else on the internet.
What was your initial reaction to this?
Jodi Arias is a woman who was convicted of deleting her ex-boyfriend Travis at Alexandria in 2013.
So I guess she took him out while he was in the shower.
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
She was convicted of first degree.
Oh, wow.
And guys.
You got life in prison without parole.
Telling you guys, women, they're advocating for life to be just as unfair.
So you're going to see more women getting worse prison sentences, getting all that stuff.
This is what they asked for.
Reach out to him.
What did you say?
What was that conversation?
There was nothing.
So I actually, no, I haven't talked to him in literally since our last trip to Hawaii together.
The last time I literally saw him was before I got on my flight, and we haven't talked since.
So what was the delay between that video?
When did that incident, the first, when the quick grope supposedly, when did that come out versus when it happened?
Wait, I don't understand what you're saying.
Like, so that video, that video, when was that filmed?
Like, what date?
Like, when in the year was that filmed versus when it was posted?
So that was filmed in November of 2020.
And the claims or the tweet was posted in June of 2021.
And then now it's February 2020.
Okay.
So we get that.
I want to move on to her response.
Like, let me see, where do we start it?
Started from the beginning.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
And this response was literally like five days ago.
Yeah.
So her YouTube channel was quiet for like two years.
And then she comes out with this.
Wow, 62% of you guys don't find her attractive.
I thought it'd be higher than that.
No, I mean, the look.
You got to factor in the craziness.
I know, but I've seen, guys, you know how women will cap about the men that are interested in them.
Men cap about the women they wouldn't.
They're like, no, I would never think about this, Pearl.
Look at five drinks in on a Slow Tuesday.
He might.
I think we know, but you know, once again, like sometimes I've seen guys and they'll show me like women they've dated or whatever.
And I'm like, you did that?
I'm like, she's like 40 pounds overweight.
What are you doing?
Like, you know, I assume that the, you know, I've been moderating the chat a long time, and I assume that I assume the best about the chat.
There's a lot of intelligent men in there.
Yeah.
And most of them are cost-benefit calculators.
Right?
So you're talking about would you smash, but they're thinking about what I smash and have to deal with the consequences afterwards.
So that's why I think it's at 62%.
Okay.
I'm deep in the red pill, so no, she's not attractive.
See, there it is.
Hi.
So this video, we're just gonna chat.
And I've been thinking about making this video for like three years.
And basically, what I'm gonna do is summarize my last three years being canceled, the trials I went through, my relationships, my basically trauma and shit that happened to me.
There we go.
You knew it was coming.
You knew it was coming, Pearl.
I knew you'd catch that movie.
But my trauma.
You know, it's fun.
Men, when they have trauma, it's always like they tell you, guys, you ask them what they're going through, and they'll tell you the most depressing story you've ever heard ever.
And women, it's the people on the internet don't like me.
They left me in comments where I got dumped.
Yeah.
I had someone told me a story the other day about how they got like ran out of their home country.
Like, it was insane.
And okay, we'll keep going.
And talk about it and talk about my, I guess, story and my testimony.
And I think for a long time I avoided this because it's, it's really, it gets hard, especially when you live it and you feel it so heavy.
You don't want to like talk about this shit.
I mean, I do talk about it, but with like my boyfriend, my parents, my family, and my closest friends.
Like for the most part, I want to, you know, be a happy person, be a positive person, try to see the light in the world and the light in people.
But I also believe that for my situation, especially, I haven't addressed anything on social media.
And I think that in absence of me vocally, like just talking about it casually, people have made up stories about me.
People post stuff about me that is just like, it's just kind of honestly.
Would you give her credit for going dark, Pearl?
Because you could argue that if she would have been talking this whole time, it could have just made it worse.
Because she went dark for like two years.
Do you think that was a good idea or a bad idea?
I think she should have done a video.
You know what?
Okay, so what I found when it comes to social media is everyone wants you to shut up, right?
And that's kind of what you try to do.
But I actually think Dave Portnoy has been really smart.
Every time he has an allegation, he pulls up his phone, gives his side of the story, moves on, business as usual.
That's probably what I, she was canceled pretty hard, though.
No, I think it would have been better if she just did this video, didn't get the lawyers involved, said her side of the story, and moved on, let people argue about it.
And then just ate all the opportunities leaving.
I mean, I guess they would have, she would have lost and got canceled anyway.
The problem is when people are famous for just existing, they don't have a business as usual to get back to.
That's 100% true.
That's true.
So like if she was, let's say, like a political commentator, I would have just given, like, responded, moved on.
Dave, it's like he does celebrity gossip, whatever.
So when he's in the news, he says, look, this is the allegation.
That's not true.
Believe what you want.
I'm moving on business as usual.
Crowder, same thing.
When the divorce stuff came out, he said, look, this is it, but I have my show.
These people are just famous for being famous.
Yeah.
So I'm going to amend my, I'm going to say for her, that probably was the best situation because she had no like talent.
She just did dancing videos on TikTok.
The best example of what you're talking about was you're too young to remember when those allegations came out against Kobe Bryant.
Yeah.
You know, he, the Lakers, he kept showing up to basketball games and he was just winning.
Like they went on like a win streak and that's how he dealt with it.
He just won the whole time.
Yeah.
So he had basketball.
He was able to do his craft while he was going through it.
But you're right.
Like, what could she possibly do if she gets canceled off of TikTok and Instagram?
Yeah.
Like, I guess for her, it's a little different.
But if she had some sort of show or something she was doing, like, I don't know, even if she started, she used that to like start a podcast or something.
I don't know.
I would have just given a statement and moved on.
Like, I think, I think the longer you wait, the more it drags out.
So would you say that even if she lost all of her brand deals, she should have made a statement and then just kept posting and tried to rebuild after that?
Yeah.
Okay.
Sounds like a good plan to be.
You think?
I mean, letting it go in dark for two years, right?
I don't know.
Like, but the problem for her is she didn't have anything other than existing.
Like, that's why I'm getting stuck in this because she doesn't have anything to go back to because her fame, it was a hype house.
It's like reality TV.
Yeah.
When you're canceled on reality TV, what do you do?
And then also, I mean, because the best argument you can make for her going dark is she was young.
And like social media women talk too much anyway.
Yeah.
But can you imagine if she would have just Britney rendered it and said her truth the whole time, it would just got even worse.
I'm sure it was better for her mental health, but I was just thinking, it's tough because you don't want to say anything that makes it worse.
But I've found in social media that the quicker people respond, at least you can get the response.
And then people are arguing like for you.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like where like his, like, if she did this three years ago, then both sides would have been art.
Like, does that make sense?
Like, where now it's kind of blown over.
I'm not even angry.
But you guys can let me know.
Actually, make it a poll in the chat.
Make it a poll.
Should she have responded back then?
Yes or no?
I'm just like, okay.
Like, it's just kind of like, that's what you think.
Like you don't, you don't know, but Pearl, whenever a woman says literally a lot with long pauses in the sentence, lying and woman speak literally means I'm not lying.
Whenever someone's vocabulary tells you that they are not lying, they're definitely lying.
I guess my point in talking about the last three years and how I got to basically where I am today is for somebody watching this that is depressed, is anxious, is going through something, and it feels like they're alone because I felt like I was alone so, so many times the past few years.
And I felt like nobody could understand me really and nobody could really understand my situation.
But as I listen to more podcasts and as I listen to people's stories, people's like documentaries and get to it, lady.
I kind of realized it.
So in 2020, I was a sophomore in high school.
And this was when COVID was kind of starting, but also nobody knew if it was like a big enough deal yet.
Like everybody still kind of thought we were going to go back to school.
As we started to do online classes and stuff, I had a lot of free time, obviously, because I was no longer in dance since COVID was happening.
We were doing online dance classes, which took up like 99% of my free time otherwise.
And I also didn't have school.
So I had a lot of time to just kind of do whatever, as did everybody during this era.
She gets to it faster.
And go to her YouTube page and go to the nine-minute video because she gets right to it.
Okay, the nine-minute.
The first one?
Yeah, so talking about the Jack Wright situation.
Okay.
Last week, I posted a video about what it was like to be canceled as a teenager.
And honestly, that video was one of the- A man could never make a video like that.
What it was like to be falsely accused.
He would just get too much backlash.
And the thing about it is if you, because she put this on TikTok and YouTube, and people are like, oh my God, she was innocent.
It's like, wait, what?
So she's actually getting sentiment now.
Yeah.
Most important and vulnerable videos that I've ever shared.
Always wanted to address the situation with Jack Wright and all of those allegations that were made because I think in absence of me ever like verbally talking about it, there have been so many narratives made up about me.
I took like six months off of social media during that time.
And I mean, people thought I went to jail.
There were literal newspaper articles that I had killed myself.
The craziest, the craziest things.
And I think I can speak about it much more gracefully without like defensiveness and anger because I was, I was a teenager at that point.
I felt so frustrated at all of these people, at all these narratives that were basically claiming my truth for me.
So today I'm going to be debunking some of the things that people comment on my account and just clearing things up.
I have never really defended myself on my platform, but I have worked so hard for this platform and I want to stand up for myself, honestly.
I also just posted like a 45-minute YouTube video explaining the whole story time with Jack, our friendship before any of the allegations, what actually happened after and like during that time, and then my testimony to Jesus and you knew that was coming too.
You knew it was coming.
Of course, the God phase.
Just how I honestly came back from that and how I've found resilience and built my brands and yada yada yada.
Okay, I've said this since the beginning when all these allegations were made when I was 17.
Until now, I've always been innocent.
I've never been to jail.
I've never spoken to a police officer about the situation.
I've never been on any kind of registry list.
And people like to really argue that I went to jail at some point, but public arrest records or arrest records are public.
And I can promise you I have not.
I get why people bring up the video, the proof, but I think you can manipulate anything to be out of context.
So I'm going to explain the whole video for you.
This video was taken seven months before Jack and I's friendship ended, before they made those allegations, before he put out their tweet, whatever.
We were friends for another seven months afterwards.
So the video was filmed on Snapchat by his brother James.
So you're talking about the where he's supposedly laying on the couch.
Yeah, yeah.
He's touching it.
I mean, I dealt with a guy who was accused of rape and had two kids with the woman after.
And they gave the woman custody because she claimed she was raped on the first night.
And she proceeded to have two children with him.
If a woman makes an accusation against you, it has to be over right there.
If you're with a woman and she calls the police to your house, it's over right there.
You have to stop it right there.
No, no, if, ands, or buts.
Stop what?
The relationship.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, my God.
Because there are lines, there are certain lines that if they're crossed, if it's out of the bottle, it can never be put back.
If you're married and the woman says divorce, even her just saying that, it's over.
You know what?
There was a guy in London I knew who's what.
He was married for like 20 years and I would tell him about the red pill stuff and he didn't really.
He's like, I don't really know what you're talking about.
His wife falsely accused him of rape so he had he was married to a lawyer.
He was like he was a, he was um, one of the trainers at my gym and he was married to a lawyer.
Kids are older.
She starts working and she falsely accuses him of rape because she thought that he was cheating.
Turns out he has a twin brother like, he literally has a twin brother, and the person that, like their mutual friend, saw him, the twin brother with what it was, like she, they thought it was him, but it was his brother.
What yeah yeah, and so yeah you're you're yeah, i'm a twin yeah, so imagine if they saw your like, imagine that you, you and your wife, like you, you're married to a woman and there's a mutual friend who says, I saw your husband with this woman and she thinks she has no reason to lie and she seems very convincing.
Now, obviously the false accusation, bad, but like, but that's not the point of the story.
So she um yeah, so then the, the friend, tells the wife and the wife believes the friend, the husband's like no, i'm not doing that.
Turns out it was the brother on a date.
So how'd that situation get resolved?
So she dropped the charges and they were trying to work.
I don't know how it is now because I haven't talked to him in like two years, but last, like they were trying to work it out, she went to the police and said she lied, like she did the charges, and then she went back and said she lied.
And I guess you can do that in London, because there are times where they have it now, especially with a lot of dv laws, where it's not the person doing the charges, it's the state doing the charges.
Yeah, it is because I, I had a friend uh, who's younger.
He married a single mom and then they had two kids and um the the, the child that wasn't his was a daughter when she was 15.
She, she's messing around with this, with this older boy and she's like i'm gonna go see him and he's like no, you're not.
No, you're not no, you're not.
She's like i'm gonna call the police and say that you, you know that you did something to me, so she did.
So he's like, do what you got to do, but you ain't leaving the house because you know I want to protect you.
So she called the police because she just thought that the police were gonna scold him and say you can't keep her here.
No, they put handcuffs on him and took him to jail and she couldn't believe it's like wait wait wait wait, I was lying.
I was lying like, oh honey, it's okay, you're safe now.
So the, the daughter, went to the judge multiple times and she was just lying.
But he had to go through the whole process so that they kicked him out of his house and he was, he was the sole breadwinner.
So he, he had to get uh, apartment and so pay rent there, pay for the mortgage there, and it took about 11 months for the case to get resolved.
But he couldn't go to his own house and the daughter was telling the judge multiple times, I was lying.
But they had to go through the whole process because the state made the charges, not the, not the girl.
Yeah, I think um, I think at that point like they dropped it somehow.
I don't know, but I know they dropped it.
And the last I talked to him she was basically begging him to not divorce her and like she was like he's just.
He just said yeah, she has been on like like like, very good behavior, like the bat like, because she was.
Yeah, that's the same thing with this guy.
He said the only good thing that happened with his stepdaughter.
Before she did that she treated him like absolute garbage, but then afterwards she was a complete angel.
Yeah, that's what he said.
He said that like because he was a Muslim, and that she what?
Yeah no, he was Muslim.
She was Muslim too.
Yeah, what no.
That's why the Muslims that say like they don't have the same problems.
I'm like bullshit.
I lived in, I lived in a Muslim area.
That was bullshit like, and they married super young too so, but that was like when the kids were like teeny I think his youngest was like 16 or something like older but she um said he could get a second wife, like she wanted him to stay so bad.
She's like, look at, you can go get a younger, like you can get a second wife.
Just please, don't divorce me.
Do you think?
I don't know, you should have stayed with her.
What do you guys think?
Or what do you guys the chat think I don't know, because she could always do it.
Well, I I think she could do it again because once she crosses that line she could do it again.
Yeah yeah, what do you guys in the chat think I don't know stayed or should he have gone?
I think last I checked they were in separate like living situation and that was.
It was interesting because he said I have no idea what you're talking about.
Like he was so blue pilled.
And then it was interesting too because he started dating after that.
Like he started dating with a wife yeah, because he was Muslim.
So, like his wife said, you can go get a second wife and he's like I will oh okay okay, and so he's like I, like I will.
Yeah, and I was explaining to him how like, like the women are different now and it was funny to like watch him go through it because he would, he would date like women.
He was maybe 40s 50s, he would date women closer to his.
Give them some shishka bottom and they're happy.
Yeah, you know in November of 2020, again, seven months prior to them ever posting anything about me or using that as their proof.
We had just gotten back from like a bigger party and we were at another party with people all around us.
And we were both drunk and making out the entire night.
He was introducing me as his girlfriend at the party.
We were like holding hands.
It was like, I was so confused.
I go more into that on my YouTube video about like the what were we, what weren't we, and how he kind of used me for a clout and didn't actually want to date me in the YouTube video.
I'm not really going to go into that here.
But he, this is one of the nights where he decided that he was my boyfriend and we were making out and whatever.
So his brother James filmed it on Snapchat.
And this is what I mean by the context thing.
He filmed it on Snapchat and he sent it to a friend group with the caption like the bar or whatever that was like, oh, they're so annoying, like making out again or whatever.
They're so cringy.
He sent it as like a oh, they're so annoying.
They're making out again.
Mind you, this was his brother that filmed it.
And I don't know how more people don't think about this, but if I genuinely was like sexually assaulting him in this moment, why would his brother film it?
They're both like six foot two, six foot three.
Like they're big guys, 180 pounds.
I'm 5'2 and way less than that.
If they wanted to come remove me off of him, he would have.
But like that didn't happen.
It wasn't until they needed proof multiple months later.
Yeah, but the law protects them, so they can't necessarily remove you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know what?
Hey, a consent is consent.
You know, he could, he could withdraw consent after the fact.
Anytime.
After the fact, right?
That they then had narration over it.
They made it out of context and they basically just made me look like a bad person when the initial feeling or vibe of the video was like, oh my gosh, they're making out again.
This video was manipulated to make me look a certain way.
And after all these years, I've just realized the people who want to see the truth and want to hear you out will.
And the people who just want to hate me, they will.
And I'm not, I can't convince everybody.
Also, my lawyer hired an independent.
I don't know.
I think if she did this at the time, it would have been better because this is going to get like 2 million views.
I think tops.
His got 23 million.
If she posted this three years ago and just said, these are the facts, believe what you want.
These are the facts.
It would have, I think it would have done a better job defending herself than three years later.
She probably could have made a case, a better case based upon what she's talking about now when it first happened.
Yeah.
Now it kind of sounds like I don't know.
Yeah.
Video forensics expert.
And basically we were like, would this hold up?
Like, would this hold up as proof in a sexual assault case if we ever had to take it to legal justice system?
The guy literally laughed and he was like, absolutely not.
Like, this is, this is not proof of a sexual assault.
I think once again, women have got have used less and gotten more.
And what is it that judged?
I mean, it was like a story from 25 years ago.
The Supreme Court justice.
Oh, yeah.
Was it Neil Gordon?
Kavanaugh?
Oh, yeah.
Kavanaugh.
Yeah.
Remember, the court of public opinion doesn't need evidence.
It doesn't need to make sense.
It doesn't need to be based on anything credible.
You suffer the consequences regardless.
And she's talking about, oh, yeah, would it have stood up in court?
It isn't, it doesn't matter in the court of public opinion.
And if the lawyer is saying, if my team of lawyers is basically saying, like, no, this will not hold up as proof, I think that is, that is in itself enough.
I mean, it doesn't really matter if like the 13 year olds on TikTok disagree.
I get this question a lot about why did I not sue for defamation?
And there are two main reasons why.
The first one, it takes years to resolve defamation cases.
And also on top of that, in the state of California, it is extremely, extremely hard to win because a lot of times what she's missing out on is it costs money.
Yeah.
Well, I think that's part two.
Yeah.
Can argue free speech.
The second reason why is because it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to go through with these cases.
And in all honesty, I could not afford that.
That's what they said about Johnny Depp.
They said Johnny Depp probably spent more on his case than he died.
It was literally the principle of it.
I really do believe that the truth has a way of surfacing.
And when you live in the truth and when you live in light, and I think I've lived a life of growth and I think resilience is the best proof of who I am and of what happened to me ultimately.
But honestly, this was always just about the court of public opinion for Jack.
He never had the intention of addressing anything legally.
And when my legal team reached out to his after he posted his video, they literally had no idea that he had even posted this video.
Honestly, the sad truth is that anyone can say anything online without proof.
Yeah, and you're right that this is the only way that it's going to stop is because now she's saying what the men are saying.
100%.
She's saying, hey, anyone can say anything online without proof.
You know, that's why, oh my gosh, I get so irritated with the trad cons when they're like, when really the solution to feminism is more feminism.
That is the only solution.
You can't repeat, like, there's no repealing the 19th.
And if a YouTuber up is watching, I wouldn't even want that.
I would not.
I would not want that at all.
There's no removing women's rights and I wouldn't want to.
See YouTube growth.
Yeah.
Really?
But the conservatives will always say, like, no, you can't do any of it back to them.
Like, be nigh, you know.
But you're right.
Now she's complaining.
It's going to get way more attention than if a man complains.
And remember, the tried and proven thing is I've seen plenty of women where they're all for these female tactics and stuff until it happens to their brother or their son.
Or a woman will find a good guy to marry, but he already had kids and he sees what he goes through with his baby's mom.
Like, oh my goodness.
Yeah.
Or they have to warn their son about women like them.
Yep.
Yeah.
Proof and people will believe it.
And especially with like AI now, things can be doctored and narratives can be changed and they can make screenshots of anything.
And it's honestly just really scary.
People made this out to be a crime, but there was no crime ever committed.
And this only lived on social media.
America's justice system is founded on innocent until proven guilty.
But I've noticed that a lot of the younger generation likes to think that it's guilty until proven innocent.
Who does she sound like right now?
Man.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah.
People just like a good story.
I've seen a lot of people mention about like what Tana said a couple months ago regarding like Jack's character and how he kind of is like a different person online that than he is in person.
To be honest, I've always hoped that people would see through those eyes and that it's not always what is presented on the outside that is true.
I try to have as much grace as possible here, especially when talking about him.
But if I'm being honest, even when we were friends, he's always been very strategic.
He's always been very calculated.
He's a manipulative person.
He is and they shot first.
I addressed that in the YouTube video way more in depth, how he used me and I was like his fake girlfriend and his cover.
And then I decided that we were no longer friends.
And that's how this whole thing started.
He literally told me and I included screenshots.
Sorry, Sienna, it's not good for the brand to end our friendship.
And I was 16.
Thank you for remembering these videos.
After he posted all of his allegations and made everything about me, he deleted his entire all of the TikToks with me to basically sway public opinion and make it seem like it was super one-sided.
I was posting all these videos with him.
Meanwhile, he had nothing up.
But I included a lot of these videos in the YouTube video that I just posted.
And it is genuinely insane.
Even I forgot how affectionate he was to me and vice versa on camera.
I was like, how when you take away context or manipulate what people see, it's a lot easier to tell your side of the story in that way.
Since this happened years ago, I received like thousands of DMs.
Currently 22 and went through something similar at 16 and 19 to the point I deleted all my social media and have scar makeup that are visible enough.
I covered them up with tattoos.
My life is messages from people, girls specifically, who are going through something in their life that they don't feel like they will get out of.
And if I, somebody who went through this so publicly, can speak about it and offer encouragement of like, you will come back and this is not the end of your story, then that's, that's what I'm here for.
Yeah, but for men, it usually is the end of their story.
It takes them down.
In the um, in the long form video, yeah, she you don't have to worry about it, but she actually says she regretted that that one video that she posted because it um it minimized what was going on with essay victims and stuff.
So she took accountability for that cringe video that she she posted.
Bed all day.
We dropped Sienna Swim on June 11th of 2020.
I want to see the videos of them together.
Oh no, that's the new, is that the new boyfriend?
I think that's a new boyfriend.
If you go to her TikTok and her YouTube, if you go far back enough, you'll find it.
But you got to go back like two, three years.
Sure, it's okay.
She literally has a video called I Love Jack Wright.
Is it on TikTok or YouTube?
I think it might be on YouTube.
YouTube?
Oh no, it's on TikTok at me.
Let me see.
What do you guys think in the chat?
Is she innocent or guilty?
Can we do a poll?
I like the polls, innocent or guilty.
Let me read the chat on the website.
She is young, horny, and got shit for brain pearl.
Would you sue if your siblings were smearing your names with your relatives for 50 years, causing them to stop talking to you without asking your side?
Would I sue?
No.
Because I know that's like obviously what men go through, but like lawsuits are just so expensive because I mean, there was even a point where I considered one with some people that said stuff that was untrue about me.
But it's like the amount of time that you have to go through to do it and money and to get what, especially if they're broke.
Like, what are you going to get?
Money that they're never going to pay.
Yeah, I guess you could clear your name, but I mean, Connor McGregor just got guilty in civil court of rape.
You don't even know if that's gonna happen.
I'm trying to see the old videos at the bottom of the document.
I found a TikTok that you can use.
Oh, it's at the bottom.
Okay.
Oh, there it is.
And then the YouTube video below that.
Oh, she was saying too, when he said she broke into the house, she was saying that it was actually that there was a code that everyone had, so people would just go in and out, like all because that's kind of how the hype houses are.
In fast and angry as she can be, I walk my days on wire.
It looks ugly, but it's clean.
Oh, mama, don't fuss over me tells me I'm hers and she's mine.
Open hand or close, this would be fine.
The blood is rare and sweet as cherry wine.
She's cooked forever.
Whoever dates her after, she's cooked.
This is way too much excitement around a relationship and attention.
Well, she's with a guy right now.
Yeah, but it's a crime.
She's going to be cooked.
Calls of guilty thrown at me all while she sings.
The wheels of some other thrown at me so powerfully, just like she throws with it's a crime.
Could this go back to the fact that women don't know how to take rejection and don't know how to take L's?
And she just kept trying and trying.
Yeah, and I bet sometimes, you know, he kind of gave in and was like making out or whatever.
Because, you know, if this was a guy trying to say, well, he was showing, they'd be like, whoa, you should have known better, man.
Yeah, like if she no means no.
Yeah.
She's not around most of the time.
The way she tells me I'm hers and she's mine.
Open hand or close, she still with pieces of fine.
Tisk, Tisk, my 11-year-old nephew sings better.
Okay, well, um, I mean, I think that the government really shouldn't be in those relationships.
I think it's kind of an over-exaggeration, but since women asked for this, we got it.
Congratulations, we're treated like men.
Do you think the court of public opinion is always going to be a thing?
What can make it better than the money?
No, I think now it's getting harder.
Like, I think the truth is coming out more now than ever.
Where you see, like, influencers being found out for being fake.
You see, like, even like the top comments on the Nala woman for her TikToks are a lot of men like calling her out on the B.
Yeah.
I mean, I think people are smarter than they were in the past.
And because women talk too much, our tricks have been revealed.
But I don't know.
I think it's just going to be more male and female content.
So the women will believe the women and the men won't, you know.
Yeah.
I think it's just going to keep.
What would you, what would, I guess, just for sake of conversation, definitively, like, what would you, if a man were to be falsely accused, what do you think would be like his first couple of steps?
Would you recommend that?
Like, what would you recommend?
And then after getting falsely accused.
Yeah.
So let's say you're like a social media personality and false accusations.
Like, what would, and he were to say, Pearl, I'm being falsely accused.
What should I do?
What would you think?
What would you say to the guy?
I want to say this is my opinion.
This is not advice.
This is my opinion.
can take this or leave it um I think men should defend themselves and bring out the receipts I think it depends on the situation and what evidence you have, but you need to be compiling evidence as you're dating women that everything was consensual.
So I have a friend who balanced a lot of women in London.
And the way he avoided false accusations is he'd always get a text the day after saying, I had a good time.
He's like, you have to make sure you like call them back because you have to understand the psychology of women that women tend to falsely accuse when their reputation is on the line.
So a lot of times when women get caught cheating, they falsely accuse.
women look like sluts they falsely accuse so you want to feel like they're going to lose something like not get called back So if they feel like they're going to lose their career, their kids, something significant to them.
Yeah.
So you have to like kind of play into that psychology.
And I mean, I'd even recommend if you want to ghost a woman instead of ghosting her cry in front of her to get her to leave.
No, because if she gets mad, like you don't know what she's going to do.
So it's kind of better to get her to leave rather, you know, than dump.
And I think men kind of figure this out on their own.
But, and I think you should defend yourself, you know, like bring out the text, bring out the receipts.
If she's, you know, if she's, if she's willing to throw you under the bus and go public, like I say, do it back.
And then if a female content creator that you were friends with came to you and said, Pearl, this person could be men or a woman is falsely accusing me of something.
What would you say to her?
I'd say the same thing.
I think defend yourself, let the facts come out and do it right away and move on.
That's all you can do.
I'm not saying I'm right.
I very well could be wrong.
I know a lot of lawyers will tell you not to talk, but I think Dave Portnoy, like he always would say that all the lawyers would tell him to shut up, don't respond, don't respond.
And he would just give the facts and go back to his show.
I think that's the best you can do.
It's the best you got.
So you say the Dave Portney method where when it first came out, you'd literally turn your phone on and try to get your story out there along with the initial narrative.
Yeah, as fast as you can.
Smart, you have to think through what you're going to say.
But there was actually a kid that was a drum major at Jackson State University.
And he was, he was in Target looking for a lamp for his for his dorm room, right?
And this girl turns on a video and says, this guy is following me.
He's a creep.
And the guy's like, she's like, why are you following me?
He's like, I'm trying to get a lamp.
Yeah.
It's like, you've been following me for all these different aisles or whatever.
And he's like, leave me alone.
So then he said, okay, he turns around.
And so she puts that out there.
And then right away, he makes a video.
And he's a respected drum major at JSU.
So the whole community defended him.
He's going to have to take everything down.
But he put his identity out there like right away.
And his whole support group, like the whole school and everything came to defend him.
And it's better too.
Like, I would always get dirt on women that you're dating that she knows she doesn't want to come out.
Do you know what I mean?
Like there has to be some secret that she does not want to be public.
You don't even have to say it, but if she knows you have it, she's going to be less likely to do it.
If she knows something, like, and you got to be non-judgmental too.
Like, you can't like ask her personal questions.
Don't be judgmental.
But if she knows you know, she's going to be a lot less likely to do it.
Women get upset and they don't think about the future when they get upset, though.
Well, I mean, that's when you go and defend yourself, you know?
I mean, that's all, I'm not saying it's foolproof.
Like, you might not win.
That's just, that's the best.
Based on what I've seen, that's the best you got.
But I mean, life isn't fair, you know.
Okay.
Anyways, you have any final thoughts for the show?
I think that's really all I got today.
I'm going to sum everything up.
Guys, I want to see more cases like this.
I want to see more women paying child support, more women paying alimony, more women falsely accused.
I want to see more police judo throwing women around and putting cuffs on them.
Everything that men had to go through historically that women put them through, I want to see the same thing happen to women.
Because this is what they asked for.
This is probably the fourth time I've said it.
Things will never be equal between men.
No, things will never be fair for men.
So equality with women means them facing everything a man has to go through, like their lives being as difficult as men.
So guys, press charges.
You know, I'm just press charges.
And enough women have to go through this for them to realize that.
Yeah, you're not fucking around.
Yep.
Kenny says, consent document checklist.
I mean, we had a PI on the show and he makes women sign a document before hooking up with them.
He says, nope.
He said, I'm not playing.
Kenny says, this is not financial advice, just my opinion.
How financial people on the internet protect themselves.
Look, I don't want anyone to come back and say, Pearl, this didn't work.
Look, this is my best.
That's my opinion.
She only said it because I asked, not because anyone solicited her for advice.
It's just like HR Wars.
I had to learn too late.
Whoever goes to HR first wins.
So any report on weird behavior of women to HR, if you're a man, do not wait and fight for yourself.
Yeah.
That's my ex-wife took 19K and I kept the house because I was going to take alimony from her fight, fight, fight.
Yeah.
I mean, there's be first.
But if you guys want, actually, Terrence Pop sells a course called Administrative Violence on how to use the justice system against women that they use on you.
He says it's immoral, but not illegal.
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