Pearl Daily’s episode examines how modern dating and marriage norms—like Nala Ray’s OnlyFans-to-Christian pivot—expose societal contradictions, with hosts mocking women’s sterilization/sex strikes post-Trump while blaming feminism for rising single-mother households tied to child misbehavior. Zach Costello defends Ray’s conversion but questions performative virtue signaling, while Nick, a divorced ex-pastor, argues U.S. divorce laws (80–90% filed by women) turn marriage into "slavery," citing financial ruin, false accusations, and fatherless homes linked to crime and addiction. The episode concludes that traditional marriage is legally impossible without systemic reforms favoring patriarchal control, urging men to avoid it unless risks are addressed. [Automatically generated summary]
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Okay, let's get started.
So, our first story today was an interesting one.
So, oftentimes, we hear women talk about how we love men's personalities.
We want a funny guy, a charming man, and we don't really care about looks, but we care about the personality.
But unfortunately, sometimes I'm disappointed in my own gender because we say things, but we just don't mean them.
So, a account is going viral on Twitter talking about a science experiment of men putting together a dating profile with a very attractive, model-esque type of guy, as you see here.
And this is his bio.
So, now remember, women say that we don't care about looks at all.
We just want a guy with a good personality that treats us right.
He says, Aspiring model, watch out for me in GQ in a couple years.
You should have, you should know that I've had trouble with law, with the law my whole life.
Convicted three times for rape of a child and once for sexual activity with a child.
But to be fair, she turned 16 like a week later.
So, it was super unfair, but whatever.
I'm on Tinder because maybe if I ask some of you sluts, I'll stop wanting to be with kids.
It's unlikely they're way tighter than your beef curtain cunts.
I hope you can therefore forgive me for my past crimes.
Now, obviously, this is a terrible thing.
And you would think that because women, we only care about a man's personality, personality, and character, that there would be the man would get no messages, right?
Well, unfortunately, that was just not the case.
So, we have Julia right here.
She said, Hey, handsome, how is your week going?
Another woman named Amber, she says, I can absolve you of your sins tonight.
Maria says, Hey, are you living in London?
Angus says, Why, hell, hello there, gorgeous.
How are you?
We keep going.
Molly says, Hey, when I was seven, I stole a gumball from my corner store and felt guilty about it for years.
I guess that makes us equally evil.
He said, I'm surprised you're still out roaming the streets after streets after such a heinous crime.
We should both be locked up.
I don't think I'd mind as long as we're locked up together.
And then it just keeps on going.
I'm surprised you're still out roaming the streets after such a, oh, wait.
What a, oh, and she responds.
She says, what a coincidence.
I'm only here for a couple of days.
What are you doing tomorrow night?
I'm in the area.
And she sends her address.
Wow.
Another woman says, what are you doing tonight?
Come, he said, you.
She said, good answer.
Come on over.
Where are you based?
And this woman sent her address.
Now, obviously, maybe it was just this, you know, maybe it was just this guy, right?
Luck of the draw.
I mean, there can't be a pattern for this sort of thing, right, guys?
This can't be a normal thing for us to be interested in.
So Chad, 29, says, sup, I'm Chad.
You don't like, you don't like me to bad things to you.
You should know this about me because you'll see the ankle monitor.
I'm a convicted child, rapist, and molester.
It is in my past.
Made some mistakes, but working each day to fix them.
Looking for fun.
Longer stuff is cool, but can't be around in a month because I have to go back to jail for a stupid thing between me and my ex.
She is overreacting about a few slaps I gave her a year ago.
Hit me up.
Ain't that bad seriously.
Now, will this man get to find love?
What do you guys think in the chat?
One if he finds love, two if he does not.
So we have this woman that says hi.
And she says, I read it.
Is that a joke or what?
He said, it's real.
It was only one kid.
He was eight and my mind felt it was consensual, but it's over now and I'm trying to move on.
Wow, not really sure what to say.
I guess it's cool that you're being honest about it.
So what are you doing right now?
Anything cool?
Just bored and look and on Tinder looking for fun and stuff.
Are you from?
And then they continue the conversation.
Now this woman, 28 years old, says, hey, we matched.
If you didn't read my profile already, check it out.
Explains why I wear an ankle monitor, which you'll probably see when my clothes are off.
You, WTF, is that serious?
He said, LOL, yeah, it's serious, but it's in the past.
Take it or leave it.
I'm speechless.
How old was the kid?
Two and a half?
That's super effed up, but I would just rather we stop talking about it.
Is that okay?
I didn't say I was done talking to you about other stuff.
I have no words.
This woman was willing to date a man who had done stuff with a two and a half year old because he was good looking.
He said, I don't grape anymore.
It's cool.
And this is a normal looking 28-year-old woman, you know, because the one complaint I always get is it's the type of women.
Certain types of women are like that.
You go and find special women to put on your show.
Okay, so this other woman is 23.
She says, hey there.
Doesn't even matter what I say, does it?
She said, huh?
Just read my profile, see what I did, and then brush it aside, and we can go ahead and smash already, okay?
So your plan is to boss me around and expect me to do everything you say because why?
Forget it.
You give up easily, don't you know?
No.
Whatever.
Calm down, silly.
I did read your profile.
Can we move on now?
And there it is.
What?
Forget it.
Why are we like this?
Oh my goodness.
Okay.
Your photos just made my day.
Okay.
So you don't like compliments now, do we?
Good.
Just make sure you read my profile though.
Seriously.
Yeah, I read it and I'm okay with it as long as you are a different person.
We all make mistakes.
Now, this is a woman.
What would you guys put her?
Six, seven, eight?
I mean, she looks nine?
My producer is putting it though.
I don't know.
Good looking, good-looking lady is okay with the child.
That's disgusting.
Well, it seems like you've been through a lot and learned your lesson.
I'm cooking dinner, and you, he says he's horny AF.
You're kind of blunt, aren't you?
So you live close to blank or what?
I'm about a couple miles away.
They do not care.
They do not care at all.
They're trying to do the same experiment, but with serial killers.
It's actually insane.
Okay, so they're saying seven.
She's got a six pack.
Yeah, in America, she's an eight, right?
Eight or nine.
Maybe you guys are from Europe.
I hear the women are a little better looking there.
Okay, so our next story was: as you guys know, there has been a rise in single mother households.
And one of the challenges you get when there's no father in the home is a lack of discipline.
So it's no wonder that we're seeing more and more videos of children acting out.
And there is one that is currently going viral on Twitter.
So there is a child that was freaking out in Walmart.
Look at this.
Oh, oh, this is my bad.
So there was a child that was.
No.
I forgot to do it.
Where is it?
Oh, here.
There was a child that was freaking out.
So there was a child that was freaking out in Walmart, just throwing everything around and being an absolute menace to society.
let me pull this oh my gosh
Don't y'all do that to a girl girl.
Y'all don't know what you want to do.
Did you hear she said, don't do that to a little girl when they're trying to get her to stop?
Holy hell.
Oh my goodness.
This is the next generation of women raised by strong and independent single mothers because the government pays for them to raise them.
Yeah, and this is what happens when you have some of the problems in the family court system, right?
By the way, guys, if you want, I am doing a documentary.
Feel free to donate.
We're at $10,000 because you guys are awesome.
And we're trying to fund this divorce documentary because we are currently demonetized.
You know, that's why I got a, you know, whatever.
But that is what we're getting with leftist policies, right?
They're funding single motherhood and then we're taking out discipline from the home.
And you have these kids that are going absurd because they are just simply not, they don't have a father to be afraid of, you know.
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So next on the agenda is women, I guess, are very upset by Donald Trump's election.
And they're real, you know, the one thing sometimes when I complain about feminists, you know, I just, I maybe label them as incompetent or lazy.
And I just want you to know that I am actually very, very proud of them because right now they have a plan.
And not making a plan is difficult.
Not everyone has an action plan.
And I am really proud of these, these ladies for doing something to really show the patriarchy and show this country that they're upset.
These women, including OnlyFans models, are getting sterilized and blaming Trump for their decision.
Election tied my hands.
You can't say, you can't say they did not take action.
I'm proud of the women for taking action.
So these women are getting elective surgical procedures to render themselves infertile, all because Donald Trump won the election.
The women who are speaking proudly about their decision say it's their, it's because they fear a reproductive rights crackdown under a second Trump administration.
Newsweek recently spoke to multiple women, including an OnlyFans model.
I know you guys were really looking for an OnlyFans model to be the mother of your children.
Unfortunately, she's getting her tubes tied.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Felix.
Stop crying in the chat.
Okay.
You got to get over it.
You know, stop it, guys.
I know you're sad.
I know, I know, I know.
But they're taking a stand.
So don't.
So they said they were turning to invasive, irreversible medical procedures to ensure their reproductive freedoms remain untrodden upon.
Look at this.
I mean, she's pretty good looking.
I know you guys are sad.
Eden 25 of Florida, who creates content for the adult-oriented site, told the outlet, for me, the idea of getting pregnant is worse than death.
Wow.
And they say women are meant to be mothers, right?
Okay, so she said she was making plans to have a bilateral splintectomy, a procedure in which her fallopian tubes will be removed.
For me, it was a call to action, a need to get locked in so I don't live in fear that at any moment a random guy can destroy my life, she said.
For me, the idea of getting pregnant is worse than death.
I'm doing what I can to protect my right to choose.
I am choosing me.
Reached via Instagram.
She told the post she was muling the procedure before election day, but his winning just made me want to actually get it in my calendar.
She wasn't the only woman considering this procedure with politics in mind.
If I am denied any rights for the next four years, I will not give them up without a fight, says Lydia 28 of Texas.
She also plans to have her fallopian tubes removed.
An unidentified 39-year-old said she wished she had just gotten the procedure, who said she had just gotten the procedure, told the outlet she felt she had no choice after the election results.
You know, nothing like a life.
I mean, she was 39.
I mean, how much?
She didn't really have to do all that, did she?
Couldn't she have just waited five years at 39 years old?
Like, you can barely get pregnant anyways.
You know what that's like?
That's like the fat kid at the end of the bench on a basketball team saying, I quit.
I quit.
I'm never coming back, coach.
I'm never.
I refuse.
I'm leaving.
I'm, that's the equivalent of a 39-year-old saying she's getting her tubes tied.
I am not happy that I felt forced into this surgery.
I did not want to alter my body.
I felt like the election tied my hands and forced me to be sterilized.
This is horrible.
Another woman who said she and her husband both never wanted children described her decision using language straight out of a dystopian novel and TV series, The Handmaid's Tale, in which women are second-class citizens.
I paid too much attention to the vitriol Trump repeatedly spit during his previous term.
And I'm keenly and am keenly aware he keeps around the people he keeps around him and in his ear who all seem to see women as incubators and possessions to subjugate, she told the outlet.
She had preemptively scheduled her appointment to be sterilized in October, claiming she was fully planning to cancel the surgery the day after the election.
In describing her choice to Newsweek, the woman used language that suggested elective surgery was forced upon her.
With Trump's victory, we quickly learned that my choice to cancel the surgery had been taken from me.
I'm sure someone just put a gun to her head, right?
This isn't a weird procedure, but one of necessity due to the politics and subjugation coming on our way.
On a post on the child-free subreddit about the Newsweek article, women were launching their decision to get sterilized as young as 21 years old.
Some throwing around extreme claims now rooted in reality.
When you pass laws that murder women on a regular basis, what are you going to do?
One Redditor wrote without elaboration.
I want to get sterilized so bad, but I don't have the money.
And I want, and I don't want this procedure to come up on my parents' insurance.
Other women are coping with Trump's dominant election win with a good old-fashioned sex strike.
It's been a month, guys.
Do you think they're still at it?
I'm proud of you.
You know what, ladies?
I'm really proud of you.
We all need a plan of action, and I'm really proud that you're going, that you're out there doing the thing.
Across TikTok and X, there's been a surge of videos of women aligning themselves with a South Korean feminist protest known as 4B, in which participants say the four no's, having sex with men, giving birth, dating men, or getting married to men.
Others have even taken to shaving their heads in an attempt at signaling some sort of vague anti-patriarchal sentiment or encouraging their viewers to dump their Trump supporting husbands and husbands and boyfriends will just be devastated.
I'm sure they're in such a happy relationship that they will be devastated when they're dumped by these feminist ladies.
You guys are really showing them.
Do it again.
Keep going.
I think you, you know what?
I think you ladies are actually not going far enough.
You're really not.
You know, why stop it getting your tubes tied?
You know what I mean?
Do a tubes tied and the sex strike.
Do a double.
I think you ladies just need to keep going further.
I'm really proud of you for having a plan.
The movement that has been widely mocked online with some, including women, who would mock such a thing?
Who would?
I can't believe.
Who would mock such an awesome movement?
Questioning participants' sincerity, their sanity, or calling their behavior attention-seeking and cringe.
No.
No, no, no.
It's very reasonable behavior.
I mean, right, guys, go in the chat.
You guys agree.
This is, I mean, they have a good reason for this.
The movement has been so widely mocked online.
Oh, wait, let me keep going.
Some sounds like they need, oh, perfect.
Evolutionary dead ends cutting their own branches off.
One ex-user snidely remarked.
Sounds like they need lobotomies instead, quiped another.
Nothing says defeat like eliminating yourself from the gene pool.
No, no, no, no.
Guys, shh.
Shh.
The men commenting that just shut up.
Shut up.
We're encouraging this.
This is a good idea.
No, no, they have a plan.
Let them.
Shh.
You guys gotta like be quiet.
Trump has sent mixed signals about his support for abortion right, at times boasting about his role in getting Roe v. Wade overturned.
But he's also repeatedly vowed that he would not support a federal abortion ban, even threatening to veto one should it come across his desk.
Soon-to-be First Lady Melania Trump, also famous, famously made her staunch support of abortion rights known in a clip posted on social media to promote her memoir, Melania.
Individual freedom is a fundamental principle that I safeguard, said Melania.
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Without a doubt, there is no room for compromise when it comes to the essential right that all women possess from birth, she continued.
Meanwhile, the number of abortions since Roe versus Wade has actually ticked up slightly, which experts say thanks to a wider availability of abortion pills by mail.
Well, I can't think of anything more, anything more effective at decreasing the number of abortions every year by these ladies getting their tubes tied.
I say go crazy, ladies.
I mean, keep going.
I'm proud, you know, I'm proud of you.
You might as well call me a feminist.
Keep going.
That's a great movement.
Just really good idea.
Okay, so the next story we're going to talk about today, he's on, right?
Yeah, okay.
Okay, so the next story we're going to talk about today is actually somebody that I saw come up on a he had made some videos talking about some of my points that he disagreed with.
And the one thing that I do appreciate about my critics and detractors is when they're willing to come on and have a discussion with me on live.
Not everybody's willing to do that.
So I actually invited him on the show.
90% of the time when I invite people that disagree with me on the show, they say no.
And so he has the hold on, let me pull something up.
So I'm just going to pull one thing up on the here we go.
Okay, so his name is Zach Costello.
He has a YouTube channel with 100,000 subscribers.
And he had a couple videos made about me.
One saying I shouldn't talk about marriage, a couple defending Nala Ray, and just commenting on why marriage is falling apart.
So I wanted to invite him on the show.
And yeah, you can bring them up.
I can't see them.
I don't know if he's up on the screen.
Okay.
Oh, now I can see him.
Hi, Zach.
How are you?
Hey, Pearl.
Good.
How are you?
Good.
Where are you calling from?
I'm right outside of DC, Northern Virginia area.
Okay.
So I kind of wanted to start with some of the points that you made in your video.
And I wanted to talk about where we disagree maybe to start.
Sure.
Okay.
So do you want to start with the Nala Ray situation?
Let's start there.
So I want to know why you felt like I was wrong to point out that her conversion did not seem genuine.
Well, I guess my question to you would be: are you questioning her conversion, or are you questioning her detriment, I would say, to Christianity?
Or do you feel as though she's trying to con Christians into believing that she's a convert for money?
Because it seems like that was more so your take.
Yes.
Yes, I think she is a con.
And the reason I think totally con.
So you don't believe that this girl stopped doing OnlyFans because she found Christ and how she found Christ.
I mean, I know you just talked to Andrew Wilson last week.
I have some disagreements with her if we want to talk philosophically and theologically about the Christianity that she spouts, I guess you can say.
Okay.
But in my opinion, and this is where I disagreed with you, is I, and I said you have a hopeless message with regard to Nala Ray.
And that's basically what I'm defending here in that I believe that if somebody wants to turn their life around and turn away from sin, I guess you can say if we're going to speak in religious language, that is a good thing.
Now, how she went about doing it, doing it publicly, now turning into, you know, what you would call a Protestant pastor, that is where I would say, okay, like, you know, don't agree with everything that she's saying there.
But like I said, and I think a tweet that I responded to of yours, like, I think we can all agree that Nala, not being an OnlyFans model, I'll use appropriate language here.
A hooker.
And being a confused Christian is better for her, right?
It's better for her.
It's better for society.
I think we can all agree.
I think we can all agree with that.
Yeah, but the problem is I've seen this film before.
And I don't think it's necessarily a good thing when we have an OnlyFans model to preach her pipeline.
And I'm not allowed to call out inconsistencies in her stories.
So one thing that she claimed was that she was baptized and she had a change of heart in December.
She had five months to delete her OnlyFans.
Five, not one, not two, not three, not four, but five.
She doesn't delete it until the day before the Michael Knowles interview.
In that time period, her prices were raised.
She has active chats going on where she's communicating with men and still sending newts.
So, you know, she can say one thing, but if I look at her actions, I think if you're claiming I had a change of heart in December and this isn't about money, then you wouldn't make it about money.
You wouldn't start a Jesus Christ brand, right?
You wouldn't start selling Jesus sweatshirts.
And I think that's the challenge where I just think that people blindly believing her without verifying anything are just foolish.
And then they come at me when I'm right.
Okay, Pearl.
And I know that you said that, and I know you've recently come out and said that I was right and I'll take apologies for that.
Can you clarify what you're claiming to be right about?
So if I would say that I am right that she did not have a change of heart because she doesn't know what she's talking about.
So I think it was very with OnlyFans.
Where's my interview?
Where's my bonus points?
Where's my real Christianness?
I never did it.
And the thing is, the problem when we're clapping for like she's doing the bare minimum.
And it's not even the bare minimum because she goes on a podcast with on whatever and she's being completely disrespectful.
She doesn't know anything about the word.
So it's it's very clear, you know, it's very clear that she hasn't been reading her Bible, that she doesn't know what she's talking about.
Like what actions other than the bare minimum has she done?
Anything?
Okay, fair enough.
My question to you would be, what is there to gain for you in claiming that you are right?
So what is there to gain for you for her failing to change her life and turn her life around?
Well, I think that the truth is important regardless of how it makes people feel.
So you might feel icky.
I mean, it's a really great story, right?
That's a really great movie.
Pornstar becomes a pastor, really changes her life.
We all want that to be true.
But if the facts don't line up with what she's saying, and, you know, magically when she's getting the Christian clout, that's when she's magically deciding to delete it.
You know, if we look at the incentives, you know, I'm not going to stop saying it just because it makes people, it ruins people's story.
True.
And I think, I think we should stand for the truth.
I totally agree with that.
Now, here's my thing: that, you know, and when it comes down to it, like, I don't think that Nala should necessarily be a Christian influencer, even though it seems like she's trying to be.
I certainly don't think that she gets to be a pastor.
But that's where, you know, when it comes to my faith, which is I'm a Catholic versus a Protestant faith, like, you don't just get to become a pastor in my tradition, for example.
And same with, you know, Andrew Wilson, who's who's Orthodox.
Yeah.
You become a Catholic.
You become a Catholic.
And then in order to even enter into the Catholic Church, you have to go through an initiation period.
But I agree with Andrew Wilson in that what Nala has turned into is a, you know, he calls it buffet Christianity, where she can pick and choose the things that she likes.
And that is not the case for a number of denominations, like even good Protestant, obviously good Protestant ones, Catholic, Orthodox, et cetera.
Like we believe Christianity to be objective.
We are subject to the interpretation that we've been given by the authority of the church, for example.
Right, but we don't get to go in and interpret our own scripture.
So I think this is the problem when it comes to Christian OnlyFans models, basically justifying what they're doing.
Jesus agrees with what I'm doing.
Like that does, that's not the way that it works.
But you're, but you're part, but you become part of the problem when you're white knighting for her.
And like you make, okay, you make videos condemning me for saying what I said, which was true, and you don't make any video condemning her now.
Like, where's the video now where you say, hey, you shouldn't be preaching?
Hey, that's incorrect.
Maybe, maybe I missed it.
I'm not saying I saw it all, but you know, it's like, that's what I get from Christians.
They're mad at me for my tone and me for pointing it out, but they're not mad at her for being disrespectful to Andrew and, you know, spreading things that are not true.
Yeah, I'll grant to you that her, her current, her current behavior, her current theology, I do not agree with.
I haven't gotten into it online.
Now, that being said, when it comes down to me and you, and the reason that I did that video is because I truly believe and I stand by this that if somebody is saying that they are going to change their life, then I'm, as a Christian, I am, of course, we can be skeptical.
Of course, it doesn't mean don't be skeptical, which I think obviously is important.
And I would say that's where I value, I value your message, right?
Because I think that level of skepticism is important.
But again, like you, you cited the prodigal son when you were going after her.
And the prodigal son is a is a great story and it's a great example.
And it refers to all of us, like every single one of us, like we've all made mistakes.
We're all sinners.
Like it's hopeless to say that none of us can turn our lives around.
Like we all have to turn our lives around from something.
Okay.
What?
You know, it may not be as extreme as something like Nala did.
Like I've never done OnlyFans, like, you know, but I'm not going to sit here and say that I've never sinned before and there aren't things that I've had to get over and turn my life around from.
So what's what's more important, actions or words?
Well, I mean, yes, actions are more important.
Okay.
So other than deleting the OnlyFans after she got Christianity clout.
So I'm not, I'm not even going to give that as a bonus because she just traded it.
We all know if you look at the demographics, white Christian men are OnlyFans customers.
That's the number one.
You could talk to any OnlyFans model, married Christian men.
That's who's buying OnlyFans.
So all she did was substitute in her old fans for her for new Christian fans that are just going to follow her.
And if she ever goes back into it, it's still a backup, right?
So other, other than the deleting the OnlyFans, what did she do?
Like what actions?
My question to you would be there.
So you were community noted for fudging the timelines on her deleting her OnlyFans account.
From what I understand, there's a delay in how OnlyFans allows you to delete account, et cetera.
So no, they were incorrect because what they did was they flagged me because it's a sympodemic and it's defend women at all costs.
It was December she got baptized.
She had five months to delete it.
If she deleted it the day before the baptism, you still would have had three months to clear your contact or five months to clear your contact, make sure all your chats aren't active anymore and take actual action to clear it.
That's five months.
Well, you said actions, we both agreed that actions are more important.
So, I mean, is she doing OnlyFans currently?
No, but she's an influencer.
So she's a Christian.
She just traded in the one clout for the other.
That's it.
I mean, like, if she was sitting in the back of the church, quiet, reading her Bible, no one would have any problem.
But it's that it's becoming a OnlyFans to Christian pipeline.
Do you think that there's any value in previous women who or in women who were previously doing OnlyFans coming out and talking about how terrible the lifestyle is and turning their lives around?
Do you think there's any value to that?
Not really.
I'd rather hear from the women that didn't do it and lived virtuous lives.
I think that when you have ex-hoes going around saying, hey, you can do whatever you want and still get married after, you're basically telling younger women, you can literally do OnlyFans and a man will marry you after.
Yeah, so you think they're incentivizing that behavior and then they have basically an off-ramp later on.
Yeah.
Then I didn't know I was coerced, whatever.
I was so broken.
And the thing is, because I've actually interviewed, you've seen my show.
So I've interviewed these women.
And when they're doing it, it's not because they're coerced.
It's not because they don't know what they're doing.
They love being naked on camera.
And a lot of these women have a huge addiction to attention.
So do I believe overnight that a woman with such an addiction to attention that she got tag teamed on camera by two men at the same time, that in five months, she's magically better and now can be preaching the gospel?
No, I don't believe it.
And I think you're right.
Well, and I think that we, I mean, again, I don't think our points of difference are too far apart there.
I mean, again, in my tradition, you know, when I speak for my own experience, like this is not something that I necessarily have to deal with other than seeing this online.
Because again, when you become Catholic, you have to go through a fairly long initiation process in order to even do so.
And then once you become Catholic, you sit in the pew just like all the rest of the lay people and you listen to, you know, you listen to the priest every Sunday.
There's no, there's no me becoming a pastor.
There's no me coming up with my own interpretation of scripture.
So this, the first time I saw this, the first time I saw this was in the Catholic Church.
The first, the first, like, it's the same thing, Christiana and Jason Everett.
It was the wife got ran through in high school, said, oops, sorry.
And then she got a husband after.
It's like the same story.
What did you see?
What do you mean you saw that within the Catholic Church?
So I meant they have the same thing, but with chastity speakers.
It's like the same thing.
I mean, the last generation didn't have OnlyFans, but it's like they were hoes.
Like, do you know what I'm talking about?
Christiana, Jason Everett.
They're Catholic speakers.
No, you don't know them.
I don't know them.
No, I don't know them.
Because we would have a different one every year.
And it would be the same story.
It'd be like the guy who cleaned up her mess, the girl who did whatever she wants, says sorry.
Yeah, I mean, you know, again, like when it comes to Catholic marriage prep and a lot of the Catholic education, I mean, I'll say this, and I've been outspoken about this on my channel.
I mean, a lot of it is feminist influence.
I think like 90% or so of Catholic education and pre-education comes from women.
I mean, there's certainly a male leadership problem within the Catholic Church.
I mean, you've used terms like sympathetic, I think it's sympodemic.
Yeah, it's a sympodemic is what you've said.
I mean, I'm not going to sit here and deny that the Catholic Church has not been influenced by feminism.
I mean, I think that that, I think you see that.
I think that's obvious.
But so if even you're agreeing that the Catholic Church has been influenced by feminism, how can you still push Catholic marriage and say that feminism won't influence it?
Because that's like the next point we're going to go through.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think we can get into marriage.
I mean, right.
So again, I'm talking about the women today that men have to pick from as wives are not generally practicing Catholics.
Well, I mean, a prerequisite, I mean, it helps.
I mean, there are plenty of statistics on, and I know you know this, on men and women who attend church weekly every Sunday, men and women who pray together.
And I know we can get on that.
I know you've pushed back on that many, many times.
Those individuals are less likely to cohabitate before marriage.
They're less likely to, they're more likely to have low body counts, I guess you can say.
And, you know, the stats say that those individuals are more likely to have marriage success.
But, you know, I wouldn't say that that is limited necessarily to just Catholic.
I think you can look at other religious denominations.
And, you know, as long as those habits are being executed, then you're likely to have more marriage success.
So again, do I care about words or actions?
Well, you've said that you care about actions.
Okay.
So what action would a young woman take that says she's Catholic?
What would be an action she would take?
Like choice she would make?
She participates in the sacraments as prescribed by the Catholic Church.
Okay.
And what other choice, what would she avoid?
Well, she would avoid sin.
Right.
So what percent of women are virgins on their wedding nights?
You tell me.
It's less than 1%.
So based on the actions, women aren't choosing this, right?
So we know that obviously women who are men and women who are virgins that get married.
I mean, again, this is if we're talking about the ideal, then obviously this is the ideal.
This is what the church teaches is that men and women who wait until marriage, I mean, from what the statistics say, they have the highest rates of marriage success.
Now, we live in an imperfect world.
And as the stats say, and as we can agree, most people are not virgins when they get married.
Right.
But who has more choice in terms of a 21-year-old male and a 21-year-old female?
Who has more choice in dating?
Well, the 21-year-old female.
Okay.
So if the women aren't waiting till marriage, whose choice is that?
If we're not waiting till marriage, whose choice?
Is it more women or more men?
More women would be choosing to wait, right?
Because they have more choice.
No, I'm saying to not wait.
Because we know one in three, yeah, because we know one in three men under 30 or virgins or having had sex in the past year, right?
Okay.
And we're not really seeing the same trends when it comes to women.
Like we're seeing the rise in sexless men go up and we're seeing STD rates in women go up.
Body counts go up.
I mean, we know this, right?
So like, how can men force like they can't?
They can't put a, like I'm saying they can't, they can't put a degeneracy that is certainly impacting marriage success in the West.
I'm saying yeah, but I'm saying it's not like the men can hold a gun to the women's head and say, be Catholic, wait till marriage.
So what are, what are they supposed to do?
Ladies, please wait.
Please, please wait.
Don't have sex with the quarterback on the football team.
Please, wait, wait for me.
And then they say, no, we're going to, we're going to not do that.
And then it goes back to the praying every day.
Okay, you get married.
You say, pray every day.
She says, no, what are you going to do?
Yeah, I mean, that's a good question.
You know, I think that those, those types of, I mean, that type of evaluation needs to be done, though, when you're discerning the person that you're going to marry.
I mean, you know, there are values that you can identify prior to getting married that are going to allow you to see whether or not that person is going to be a good fit for you.
Like what?
And I'm not saying that those, I'm not saying that those things are permanent.
I mean, of course, there's always the risk that somebody changes.
We do change over time.
But, well, I mean, like what you asked.
I mean, what are your values?
I mean, do you, are you practicing your religious faith?
What are your political beliefs and values?
You know, I would, my wife and I talk about this all the time.
It would be very difficult to be married to somebody that didn't agree with us politically.
I mean, I voted for Donald Trump.
If I had a wife that, you know, loved Kalamala Harris, I think I'd be in trouble right now.
But so, okay, on your wedding day, she's practicing.
10 years later, she says, no, I'm okay.
I'm good.
I don't want to do it anymore.
That happens, you know.
People change.
So basically, you're saying, like, if I'm Catholic, I'm married to Catholic when we get married in the church.
And then she decides that she is no longer.
Yeah, because the problem is with those stats where it says if you prayed every day and you go to church every day, you can't make somebody do that.
So if the woman tomorrow, and that does happen, I have accounts of men that's happened to where she's religious on their wedding day.
She's religious five years in, 10 years in, 15 years in, something changes.
What is he supposed to do?
Don't leave me.
I want to.
I mean, that's a good question.
And of course, that puts the husband and wife in a very difficult situation.
And it also puts, if they do have kids, that puts them in a very difficult situation.
And again, we don't, maybe we will get into some of the divorce laws, no fault divorce, which I, if, for example, if a female changes her mind and basically says, I'm, I'm no longer Catholic.
Now, there are, there are ways you can go about it within the church to get that marriage annulled if you run into certain issues like infidelity.
And, you know, there are other things that come into play.
I mean, there are ways that there are ways where you can, I guess you could say, legally separate, even within the church.
But now I'm saying today.
I'm not advocating for divorce.
No, I'm not.
But when it comes down to it, like that's a situation.
Like that's that's a worst case scenario, right?
Like that is.
It's common.
It happened.
It happened.
No, it happened in Michael Knowles.
It happened in a terrible thing.
It happened in Michael Knowles' church in his church from California.
I interviewed a guy and he went to his exact church, Latin Mass.
On her wedding day, she was a Latin practicing Catholic.
Five years later, she stole his kid and went to Europe.
His kid doesn't speak his language.
Interviewed another guy, Christian guy, didn't want to get divorced, doesn't believe in divorce.
He's from Texas.
And on their wedding day, they're practicing Christians.
Fast forward five years later, she takes his children.
And she's actually, she just won a court case in Texas where she can legally transition his kids.
He did everything he could.
He spent hundreds of thousands.
Both of these men spent $300,000 plus trying to get their kids back.
Now neither of their kids know who they are or really or have positive images of them.
This is not uncommon.
It's not that you're going to be able to find examples within these communities where divorce and where terrible things happen.
I mean, again, like that's, it's not just because just because that there's a traditional Latin mass community that has lower divorce rates compared to the rest of the population does not mean like again, like we're, when it comes down to the percentages, there are a percentage of those individuals that still do get divorced.
So, of course, within those communities, but when it comes down to it, like the, you have to acknowledge that the percentages are significantly lower compared to the rest of the population.
Like, and if you take the rest of the secular population, I'm sure it happens significantly more than it does in a conservative Catholic community.
Again, you're ignoring what I'm saying, though, because the problem with the stats you're talking about is they're only taking the people that are still practicing.
And the challenge you get is some people start off practicing together.
The wife says, I'm going to leave.
He can't do anything.
And so now he's not taken into that statistic because like now they're not praying every day and going to church, even though they started that way.
So it's like very convenient.
So it's very, it's like conveniently taking the winners.
So it's not a good sample size.
But if you take the number of divorces, and I don't know this off the, I can't remember it off the top of my head, but Catholic, it's similar.
It's because the problem is they have to convince men to get married.
They have to.
And the reason they have to is because men, if they don't keep convincing men to sign up, the government doesn't know what they're going to do with all of these single women.
So that's why they're pushing it because they don't want to see homeless single women.
They want men to do the hard jobs.
They want men to keep paying alimony, keep paying child support, because part of child support is in social security.
I'm kind of butchering it, but that's the reason why.
So a lot of times with these places that are like pushing marriage, they're just conveniently taking the winners.
Yeah.
I mean, again, it's not without its problems, especially in the society that we live in.
But I would ask you this, Pearl.
Like, do you agree that, do you agree that marriage is important for a functioning society?
Sure, when you practice it biblically, sure.
But in today's, but today's society, they're paid to leave.
So, you can't have a traditional marriage when women are paid to leave.
You can't.
Because women will always have the upper hand.
I've heard you mention that you're not traditional.
I mean, I don't think that you're modern, I guess we can say if we're talking about definitions.
No, I'll be modern.
It's fine.
I don't care.
Are you planning to get married?
Are you going to get married?
Do you have a lot of words?
I'm wondering about actions.
Like, is it part of your life plan to get married?
I would never get married with assuming that because I would never want to put a guy in that position after the things I've learned.
And I don't, and when I mean, since we're going, since we're going personal, when did you get married?
So I'm guessing you got married young.
My wife and I were 24 when we both got married.
Okay.
And you've been married, what, 10 years?
Because you look like 35, roughly, 30, 35.
Good guess.
I'm 35.
Yeah.
Yeah.
10, 10, 11 years.
Yeah.
And we've got five kids, but my wife and I, we met in high school.
And how old's your youngest?
How old's your youngest?
He's two.
He's about that.
So the thing is, when women tend to divorce when the youngest kid hits five.
So I wouldn't even say you're necessarily in the clear yet.
Like, I don't know.
And that's the thing because you guys always talk very confidently as if you've won and we don't know because it, I don't know what your wife is going to be like in 10 years.
But Pearl, that's the case with anything in life.
Like you have a very, you have a successful media career and you have a great YouTube channel.
Five years from now, it could be nothing, right?
Again, like there's, of course, there's risk going into the future.
Of course, the future is unpredictable.
But I don't understand how you guys so confidently push it as if it's the right decision when you don't know the outcome.
I'm not saying it's good or bad.
I'm saying decide for yourself.
Well, of course.
I mean, each of us have our own individual vocation.
I mean, when it comes down to it, for me, again, I can only speak from my own experience.
You know, I've not to get too deep into my background, but again, I was an athlete.
I played college baseball.
Again, I met my wife when I was 15.
You know, we've been together since we were 15, other than some brief breakups while we were in college.
And, you know, I'm sure you'll start to question that a little bit.
But, you know, for the most part, we were together for the entire time.
And when it comes down to it, for me, like I was an entrepreneur.
I started my first business right after I got done with school.
And I wasn't necessarily put together financially, physically, you know, as a as a leader or even spiritually when my wife and I first got married.
Like that's, you know, we've both matured and we've both developed over time.
But what I can say is that something legitimately changed in me once when I got married.
But then when we started having kids, it's almost like something in me switched to become like a man and a leader and to get out into the marketplace and produce and build something that could provide for my wife and kids.
Like that aspect of accountability is something that, you know, has kind of powered me and it's something that doesn't go away.
You don't have that.
You don't have that like in yourself.
Like, well, I don't get it.
So does your wife hold you accountable?
You don't have that like inward?
So like if she, like if she left, if she left tomorrow, you wouldn't still have that?
Well, I mean, I'm sure there's, there's certainly some that's ingrained, but when it's about more than myself and when it's for my family, when it's for other people, I mean, I think that takes you to another level.
I think when you're doing something for other people, it enhances what you do.
Now, do I think that I could have a successful business, you know, and a and a media, a media presence without being, being married?
I mean, I'm sure that I could.
I understand how to be competent, but at the same time, it's like, but when there's some, when there's, when there's other people that I can do it for, it enhances my life.
It enhances all of it.
It makes it all better.
And I'm not, I'm not an argument that I would say.
I'm not disagreeing, but that's desirable for a man to pursue, even though there are risks involved with doing it.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't think you're in the clear yet.
Because again, most men get divorced when the youngest kid hits preschool.
So we can't even know if you have a good outcome yet.
So we really will get back together and we'll figure out where I'm at as far as my marriage goes.
And if you're gray divorce is the greatest increase too.
And that's what that's what I'm saying.
Nobody really knows.
What is that?
Gray divorce.
Gray divorce, I think, is 60s.
That's like the big, one of the biggest increases right now is gray divorce.
So people getting older individuals divorcing.
Yeah.
I mean, we're never, I think that it's important to say, though, you're never in the clear when it comes to risk of divorce.
And that's why, just like I'm never in the clear for my business always being successful.
Well, I would just like you're never in the clear with daily activity, daily inputs that you have to execute in order to maintain something.
Like, of course, if I take my hands completely off the wheel and I, you know, and I just like screw all my responsibilities, of course, my marriage could fail.
Like, I agree with that.
But this is a daily pursuit and I have daily responsibilities that I have to execute to remain.
You can't control, even if you do your responsibilities, she could still leave.
Like, why did you guys break up in college?
Like, what was the only reason I'm bringing it up is because people use their relationship as an example.
If you don't bring it up, I don't ask.
But if you're going to use your relationship as an example of what we should be, then it's like, I have questions, right?
Yeah, it's interesting that you asked that question.
I mean, so I would say that the influence of older people telling us that we, that we needed to break up in order, because just being with one person for your entire life, and this is actually funny because we grew up in religious households, you know, going to church every Sunday, but we were actually given advice that, you know, you needed to see what else was out there.
Now, that being said, I will say that my wife and I waited until marriage.
Okay.
Well, because my, what I would think is if somebody influenced you guys back then, we don't know if that won't happen again.
Right?
Like, if it happened before, it's possible it could happen again.
Right.
I mean, there are unknowns when it comes when it comes down to it.
Like, that's, that's the, that's, that's life.
But here's what I can say.
I mean, and I don't wish it.
I hope it works out.
Right.
But the challenge is I've just seen this film before, right?
So I've seen people that like, I'll give you an example.
Steven Crowder, he went around for years saying how great his marriage was.
A lot of the same talking points you're saying, he said like five years ago.
Now everyone called him an abuser.
He's divorced.
So, and all of that was going on behind the scenes, right?
So, I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes with you guys.
I'm not saying it is or it isn't.
You're a stranger to me.
I just don't know.
And so, I just wonder how people can so confidently like push something when there's no guarantee and you don't know for sure it'll work out.
And the other thing is, too, when I'm showing you these risks of these guys like getting their kids stolen, getting their kid transitioned, all of these, you know, being like if a guy's between 50 and $100,000 a year, they take more than 50% of his income for 18 years.
That's slavery.
That's like, there are absolutely men that are in worse places today, and some even suicidal because they got married.
So, do you think that if you push a guy to do it and he ends up in that position that you are at all responsible?
I mean, that's impossible to answer.
I mean, that's impossible to answer.
I mean, I would say, like, I mean, so if a guy gets married, if a man and woman get married, and maybe you're talking about, I mean, obviously, these are real.
These really do happen.
I'm not denying that.
But again, these are, these are worst case scenario type of situations.
They're not impossible, but they are worst case scenario type of situations.
Of course, you have to take that.
Of course, there's the risk that I could go to sleep tonight and my wife takes a knife and stabs me in the heart, right?
Like, that's possible because that's happened before.
But, you know, we have to make, you know, you make prudent decisions as you go through life.
And when it comes down to it, like, if you do want to pursue as a man getting married, having a wife that you can provide for and who respects you and loves you, very rewarding thing to have in this life, and children, which, again, provides a lot of meaning and stability for a man, also for a family, for the wife, and for the kids, and also for society at large.
It's, you know, it's there are, and you know, all the talking points.
The importance of the nuclear family unit, heterosexual man and woman remain married in the household with the kids.
I mean, I would even go a little further and say the patriarchal structure of a marriage with the man actually providing for the providing for the family and the wife in the home as as long as she has kids.
I mean, of course, if there's no kids involved, then there's more flexibility there.
But that model is, we talk, I mean, the word is ideal.
I mean, that model is ideal for the individual and for society, but it also provides a tremendous amount of meaning for the individual people that are involved in it.
And it also protects children and allows them to grow up in an environment where they're stronger individuals.
So that when they do encounter all of these things that are tempting them, causing them to sin or trying to, you know, pull them into degeneracy, they're in a spot where they can, they, they have a firm foundation that they can navigate through the world with.
And it allows them to, it gives them a better chance.
And when I say gives them a better chance, of course, there's no guarantee.
Like, I'm doing all of this.
And well, it gives, but it gives you my kids may be at risk for participating.
I mean, they're going to encounter sin.
Like, I acknowledge that.
But again, like, I can only do my best and I can only strive along this path toward toward the ideal.
And a lot of meaning does come from that.
So I think the challenge is the challenge is it gives you a worse chance if you're the one providing in terms of divorce court.
So you're punished if you like if you do the patriarchal thing and pay all the bills.
Actually, punished for it in court and your child support payment.
Like, I just interviewed a guy in, I think it was Idaho, and he supported his wife, had five kids for 20 years, and she divorced him.
And he now has to delay his retirement by 12 years.
He's in his 50s, 60s around there.
So I think I calculated out he'd be 69 when he could actually retire.
Was that worth it?
She alienated the kids from him.
Now his kids don't like him.
This isn't.
So I actually wanted to see, are you interested in learning more about this?
Or is this more like to preach?
Is that I'm just wondering because the next guest I have coming on, he like works with a lot of these guys.
And I think it'd be interesting for you to talk to him.
Would you be interested in doing that?
Sure.
I mean, you know, I came on your show not to necessarily, you know, butt heads with you, but to, I mean, again, I said to you that there are aspects of your message that I, that I don't disagree with.
And, you know, but there are certainly aspects of it that I do.
And I'd be interested in learning more from that individual.
But again, like, I want to go back to, you know, I want to go back to that question that I asked you, that I asked you about you getting married, because that kind of puts your money where your mouth is with regard to all of this.
And your answer was, well, I would never get married in the state.
And I think that's interesting because like I don't give a crap what the state has to say about my marriage.
So, you know, I understand that the, I mean, I understand what the laws are.
I'm for laws that incentivize, that incentivize families, that disincentivize divorce.
But you stated that you would, so what that alludes to is that you would, but you would potentially get married, but the state wouldn't be involved, which fine.
So does that mean that, I mean, again, I don't know your, I don't know what you're practicing as far as your religion goes, but like married in the church, like, because I consider that, like the marriage as a sacrament to be significantly more binding than what the state has to say about my marriage.
I'll let him pick.
I'll do what he wants.
I don't care.
So, yeah, I mean, I'll do what he wants.
So, if he wants to get married in the church, we can.
I'll do what he wants.
You said your boyfriend.
Yeah.
I mean, whatever he wants to do, I'll do.
We can call it whatever.
That sounds fairly submissive, Earl.
Yeah.
So I have, so you talked a lot about like red pill guys.
So this is Terrence Popp in the corner.
And Terrence works with men that have like committed, like he, he saves men from committing suicide because they were married.
And then down in the bottom, we have Nick.
Nick is a former pastor who also went through divorce.
Where shall I begin?
Where shall I begin?
Are you guys married?
Am I married?
Yeah, I'm just trying to understand kind of the content of who I'm talking to here.
Yeah, I'm divorced.
Okay.
I'm divorced.
Yep.
Okay.
Let me tell you something here.
All right.
I hear what you're saying about the whole Christianity, choose the perfect woman, what have you.
But unfortunately, the world we live in, marriage is managed by the state, not by the religious institutions.
So it doesn't really matter what you have to say, Zach.
The reality on the ground is simply this.
80% of divorces are filed by women.
85% of the time, no matter what, the mother is going to get custody of those children.
A lion's share of all alimony and child support is paid by men.
If men don't pay such child support, it gets over a certain dollar amount.
You can get charged with the felony and put in big boy pound you in the ass jail.
Even if you do pay your child support, you still have to work either a second job or overtime just to make those financial obligations, which means you don't have really that kind of time to spend with your child.
So you're watching them grow up and fast forward, which I'm telling you through experience is literally every time I drop my kids off to their mothers, it was like processing a death.
It's psychologically destroying.
And I have been dealing with the aftermath of these individuals.
Like you're up there, you're in church, you're doing your own thing.
I got it.
I'm at the bottom of the pyramid catching these broken dudes and doing the best I can to slap them back together and get them back out into the fight using logic, reason, and comedy.
All right.
Now, I was raised as a Christian.
My denomination is Catholic Light, which is Episcopalian.
It's virtually the same thing other than the fact that my grandfather had a wife and he wasn't a priest.
But I have, and it happens in the Western world and all denominations, all religions, Buddhists, Muslims, you know, Jewish of all different sects.
They all go through this divorce thing.
And what Pearl said is absolutely true.
Women are rewarded for breaking the marriage contract hand over fist.
All right.
Now, I'm not attacking you at all, Zach.
I respect what you do.
I got it.
And, you know, I wish we lived in a different world where people could get married and stay married.
Well, there are studies out there that once a woman goes over five sexual partners, her chances of staying in a long-term committed relationship drop into the 20 percentile.
It is just an ugly situation all the way around.
I understand that.
And I'm not denying that there aren't that there aren't risks when it comes to marriage.
And I also am not naive to the fact that there are individuals that have certainly suffered at the hands of failed marriages.
And, you know, and I, and I acknowledge that there are laws in place that significantly favor women over men.
And I think reform is needed in that regard.
But I mean, again, what it comes down to is this.
And this is the question that I would pose to you guys.
Like, what then is the solution from a societal and individual standpoint?
So I understand that you help these men that have been divorced.
What?
So what then is your advice to young men who are trying to build themselves, build a life for themselves?
And why would you say, and I, again, I understand the risks, but when it comes to this is being getting married is a is a biological, it's rooted within our biology, right?
Like this is like we are, we are creatures that cohabitate with another, with a, with, with a spouse.
That's the word that I'll use.
And this, this allows us to raise children in a stable environment, which contributes to building successful, stable societies.
So my question would be to you guys then, what is your solution?
All right.
My solution, I can.
Yeah, go ahead, Nick.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
My solution is there's something called, I think Stephen Baskerville was on a week or so ago.
It's called a modern marriage strike.
Don't get involved in modern marriage.
You say, well, I'm for traditional marriage.
No, you are in a modern marriage, whether you like it or not.
The state will ruin your life if they come after you.
You're asking men to play Russian roulette with their posterity.
I was an Orthodox Presbyterian pastor and I got totally wrecked and zeroed out.
I fought for the patriarchy.
I believe in traditional marriage.
But traditional marriage does not currently exist in the United States because the state controls it.
Absolutely correct.
All right.
Here's my retort here.
You're talking about where men are hardwired to get married and reproduce.
You're absolutely correct.
But you also have to take into account just how far the modern women has fallen in value, where men don't want to do that anymore.
They're not dating.
They're not pursuing women, you know, in large quantities.
We've got nightclubs, bars going out of business.
We have the wedding industry has gone bankrupt to two or three times now.
I've been tracking that.
My mother used to make wedding dresses.
So, you know, I have an end to that entire world.
All right.
Now, men build, maintain, and protect the civilization.
And what we have going on here is our civilization has broken the contract between men and women.
So men no longer have an incentive to participate.
And I encourage every one of the men I talk to to ask a simple question: what is in it for me?
And if that question is not answered, do not participate because we have a civilization where millions of millions, I would say, billions of people before us going back, you know, a millennia, where men have sacrificed their health, their well-being, their very lives.
And I would even dare say their immortal souls for the vicious shit you got to do in war.
All right.
And they went into this willingly, knowing that there's a contract, like, hey, I can have the wife, the kid, you know, the white picket fence, what have you.
That's gone now.
So this is what's going to happen.
We are going to see in some form or fashion a collapse of the Western world.
And it's going to turn historically when you look at that.
It's going to be incredibly vicious, bloody, vile.
I don't want to see it happen.
But if, you know, I'm a realist and I look at the examples of history, and that is exactly where we're going.
Fair enough.
And I'm an optimist, and that's why I am currently out here fighting for traditional marriages, which will prevent us from collapsing as a society and as a civilization.
Listen, God bless you, man.
You got a heart of gold.
I'll give you that, man.
I really do.
It's a hill that I'm willing to die on because, again, like, because I think it's, because I think it's, it's the most important thing.
And you guys, you know, if you were listening before, you heard me say that I understand that there are risks.
I understand, you know, big risks, big risks.
To get something that's most meaningful, most willing to die for, something that you will cherish in your life.
Of course, it's going to come with the most amount of risk.
I mean, you know, I used the business example before when I was criticizing Pearl about marriage.
But, you know, we start businesses and, you know, I started in the real estate industry.
It's like 50% of first-year agents are out.
Yeah, but you're not in 150% are out.
You're not enslaved to your business for 18 years, though.
Like my parents had a business.
And if it failed, like they failed.
You can certainly go bankrupt.
You can certainly get into severe financial debt from business decisions.
You absolutely can.
People commit suicide because their business fails.
Like all of those are examples, but that would never be a reason to not pursue it.
I would say that it would certainly be a reason to not pursue it if your business partner was incentivized to rip you off.
That would be the equivalent of going into business when your partner is paid to rip you off.
No one would do it.
Yeah.
And also, like our entire civilization, the laws and the traditions are skewed to favor the woman in virtually every respect.
For instance, you're living with a woman, she dials 911, makes a claim you did some crazy stuff, you're going to jail.
And it's going to cost you between $5 and $20K to get out of that, depending upon if you take a plea or fight it in court.
We've seen the Me Too, where people's careers have been absolutely destroyed by women who made accusations that are decades old.
All right.
I myself in the military, if I did not have a nanny cam in my office recording a specific interaction I had with an off-female officer, I would have been kicked out of the military and probably living in the street now.
And you're talking about risks.
I got you.
But there's a big difference between a business risk and a marriage risk.
You can lose your business and do a bankruptcy.
They're not going to throw you in prison.
Maybe they'll give you a payment plan.
Got it.
You know, and maybe that'll take longer.
But in the real, real world where women are, you know, favored by the laws in criminal court, civil court, and divorce court, and you can literally wind up in prison under false accusations.
I've had judges, I've talked to guys who've had judges impose incredibly high child support numbers based on the degree that the individual held, meaning he didn't even have that job.
He had the education for said job.
So they randomly just picked a number and said, this is what he had to pay.
And he wound up doing what, 18 months in the Michigan Correctional Facility for felony child support evasion.
And he wasn't evading.
He just couldn't pay it.
On average, if you lose your job, you get cancer, you get injured, it's going to take you five appearances before the judge before they'll even entertain lowering your child support.
And that could take anywhere from five months to a year and a half, sometimes two years.
A lot of money can get racked up in two years.
Most states, $5,000, anything over that is felony child support evasion.
So, you're trying to get your numbers corrected, but the court took forever to do it or didn't listen to you the first four times.
And then, all of a sudden, you're standing in front of the judge, you owe more than $5,000, and he could quite literally just pound the gavel and you're going to prison.
And that's not even talking about the whole suicide numbers.
I would estimate from my research and my studies and talking to all these individuals that 60 to 70 percent of the time, the suicides that I've heard about or had to deal with or heard through secondhand had either a divorce or a contact with family court within five years of their suicide date.
All right.
And there's a reason why 65 to 70 percent of the men out there are homeless.
A lot of those guys will never get out of the street because they owe a huge amount of child support.
And in most states, the interest rate on unpaid child support is sitting between 9 and 15 percent.
That's usury.
The state's getting away with it.
And if these men decide, hey, I want to fix my life and get a job, the first paycheck they get is going to be docked almost 85, 90 percent.
And a lot of these guys are like, screw it.
I'm just going to live on the street, turn myself in for child support evasion, you know, in the fall, spend the entire winter in jail, get out in the spring or whenever.
And they just live in this pool of helplessness.
And it is evil beyond compare.
And I understand you want to save everything, but you know, sacrificing men in your church to save the civilization is not the answer.
There's a reason why most of the congregations out there are mostly women, because the minute a man shows up there, they want to pawn off these swamp donkeys, which are these women with multiple kids or multiple divorces on these guys coming in.
And it's a bunch of bullshit.
I'm sorry for swearing.
You're a man of God.
I got it.
I wanted to see.
I invited Nick.
So, Nick, you were a pastor, right?
Yeah, I was a pastor.
And I'm curious: did you have a did you what was like your experience?
I know you ended up getting divorced after you had seven kids.
Yep, I had to do DNA tests on the younger three, younger, some of the younger three.
So I wasn't sure if they're even mine.
Um, wow, yeah.
So, yeah, she had been uh constructing a narrative where I was, you know, quote unquote, abusive, um, verbal, emotional, sexual, physical, you name it.
Even like my facial hair apparently was abusive.
Um, I literally have that text message.
Uh, so yeah, uh, I took her phone and she tried to beat me, and I ran, ran to the church like I usually did.
She had a history of beating me, called police, had lasers on my chest, threw my ass in jail, couldn't see my kids for eight months, lost custody of my kids because of my religious beliefs, because of my patriarchal religious beliefs.
I fought for that in the church, I still do, and I believe it.
Yeah, so these religious women, especially if they're traditional, they have all the more incentive to try to screw you over, excuse my language, or F you, whatever you want to call it, to morally justify their shameful behavior.
So they will increase the charges to justify leaving you.
They can be false charges because they can't deal with the shame factor of the sisterhood, of the church ladies, versus if you had a woman that wasn't even a Christian, it might not even be as bad.
So yeah, I got, I lost custody of my kids and you see your kids develop, but you have no real say on what's going on in their life.
You see the lack of structure.
You see the lack of discipline.
You feel the pain when you drop them off that their lives are probably screwed and that's not a damn thing you can do about it.
So basically, Nick, you were issued the wound that never heals.
Yes.
Yes.
I too have had the same thing happen to me.
So the reason I brought you on, Terrence, was I was hoping you could go through, because I think there's this idea that you guys aren't, it's not common, right?
That it's like a 1% chance, like that it won't happen to you.
And I just, that's what I was kind of, because you were like an expert with the different stats.
So I was wondering if you could kind of go through that.
I'll run you through it.
The punch out years, 7, 13, 21, 24.
If you get beyond 24 years, your chances of getting divorced go way down.
Granted, I probably have to revisit that because I did not take grade divorces into account, which are growing in number.
80% of the divorces are filed by women, and that even goes up to 90% if you add in college-educated women.
And furthermore, if a woman is working and she makes close to what you make, your chances of getting divorced go up quite a bit.
Okay, now of the 85-15, 85% of the time, these women will get custody of the children no matter what.
I've seen women get custody of their convicted felons, you know, in drug rehab, working, you know, as sex workers.
Okay, of the 15% where the man actually gets the custody of those kids, five to seven percent of the time, the mother didn't show up in court and he won by default.
So the true number is somewhere between 93 and 97 percent of the time, or 95 percent of the time, the children are going to the mother.
And if you look at the stats of, you know, the end results of children of fatherless homes, 85% of the felons in court or in prison are there because they came from a single mother home.
You know, the rapists overwhelmingly come from single mother homes, drug addicts, and then you have the, you know, you have your mental instability.
All of those go up through the roof when they come from a single mother home.
And while you're going through your divorce, the entire court will look you in the face and say, we're doing this for the best interest of the child.
And in reality, it's all financially motivated.
If you're not there.
Yeah, I was just curious.
Okay, but my question to you guys would be this, because you've like you, you just, you just explain the detrimental stats of single parenting.
And Nick, I mean, you're, I'm sorry to hear about your situation.
That sounds terrible.
But you also just said that you also advocate for traditional marriage.
So again, it seems like your guys' vision for men is to enter into traditional marriages.
You believe that that's the answer.
Yet at the same time, you're telling men that they shouldn't get married, what, because of the current legal system?
Because traditional marriage doesn't exist currently in the United States.
You can call it what you want.
You can have, you know, you can go before the church.
That's fine.
But the second one person wants to leave, you realize there is no traditional marriage.
Yep.
And if you look at the stats for single father homes, the outcomes of the children are very close to the outcomes of a child having both the mother and father present.
If the court was really about best interest of the child, those kids would be given to the father who statistically makes a lion's share of the income.
But that doesn't happen because everyone wants to get paid.
It is corrupt from the top down, bottom up, and every screwed up stage in between.
And so my question for conservatives is why do they spend so much time on like trans issues?
Why do they spend so much time complaining about the red pill guys, but they don't complain about the marriage laws?
They might do a one-off.
They might do a one-off, like Ben Shapiro.
I'm not, I don't know your channel too close.
I got to step out for a minute.
You're fine.
You're totally fine.
You can, they can, but because my question is, why is it a one-off video about the marriage laws?
But they'll do like trans sports forever.
You know, it's like the one thing that could give us back traditionalism would be changing the marriage laws.
But I never hear anybody rallying for that.
I guess I'm having trouble understanding why you can't practice a traditional marriage and abide by, for example, what the church teaches and treat marriage as a sacrament and structure marriage.
Can you control traditional marriage despite what the current marriage laws are?
Can you control another person?
Of course not.
But even if the laws were totally in favor of traditional marriage, I still couldn't control another person.
Okay.
So if your wife tomorrow said, I want to leave, what leverage do you have to make her not?
How could you stop her?
I have no leverage to make anybody do something that I, I have no leverage to control anybody in that regard.
I mean, you, no other human being has the ability to do that.
Well, that's why you don't have a traditional marriage, because if tomorrow she says, I want to leave and steal your children, she can.
So she automatically has the leverage.
And if she goes to court, there is an 90% chance she gets primary custody, meaning you'll never make another primary decision.
She gets to pick where they go to school.
She gets to pick who's around your kids.
She gets, you get every other weekend if you're locking.
Medical procedures.
So you can't have a traditional marriage because she has the leverage.
So what you're saying is that in a traditional marriage, the husband has complete control over what the wife can do?
I'd say in a traditional marriage, they stay together for an Islamic country, for example, where, you know, I mean, divorce would be severely.
I would say at the bare minimum, it wouldn't be rewarded.
I would say the bare minimum is one person isn't paid to leave.
And if we're going patriarchal, that would mean the men get the children.
So you're saying that the traditional model should be invoked into law would be what your guys' solution is.
If I, well, I'm not saying one way or the other.
I'm saying that it is not traditional.
I'm saying in 2024, you can't have a traditional marriage.
How we fix the legal system, there's, I mean, I would say get rid of child support, alimony, 50-50 custody off the bat.
That's exactly what I would say as well.
Stephen Vasquez says, I pretty much agree with him.
Default father custody would fix everything because it's by default patriarchal.
And hence, that's what's worked forever.
Yep.
There's a reason why when you remove the father, crap goes crazy.
Absolutely correct.
I agree.
I mean, I agree.
And the stats would also the stats say that if there is a single parent household, that statistically the children would be better off if the father was the single parent.
I would be fine with that, but it's it goes back to it's not make a wish, right?
We can't, that's not happening tomorrow.
So I can't blame men if in the meantime they choose to walk away.
And I don't think that makes them less moral.
I don't think you're more moral because you chose to take the risk or less moral.
All right.
Hey, I got to jump off here.
You're fine.
Thanks for coming.
No problem.
And hey, Nick, if you want to send me an email, just send it to redonculus12gmail.com and I'll be more than happy to go over some scenarios with you.
Redonculus, you said redonculus12 at gmail.com.
Yep.
Yeah.
Also, I don't know if you have any other, I don't know if you have any other thoughts, but I was going to go back to me and Zach, Nick, unless you have any other thoughts you wanted to add.
Okay.
Thank you guys.
Thanks for having me on.
Hey, Nick, I'm up to 553 guys saved from suicide in the past 15 years using logic, reason, and comedy.
It would be more if I could get YouTube's, you know, boot off my neck, but it is what it is.
Okay.
Yeah, you can drop them.
Thanks, guys.
Zach also said he wanted to go.
Oh, yes, go too.
I would say her get up.
Okay, no problem.
Zach, do you have any other points you want to make at all?
This was fun.
Did you have fun?
I did, Pearl.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me on.
Yeah, we'll definitely have you back if you want to come back.
Yeah, absolutely.
And like I said, the invitation's out to you as well to come on and maybe do something long form on my channel as well.
I expect a Nala video.
I'm waiting.
I'm waiting for my Anala doesn't know what she's talking about.
Am I going to get one?
Maybe I'll do a Nala as a confused Christian type of video.
But again, can I get heretic?
Could I get heretic?
A confused Christian than an OnlyFans model.
I wouldn't.
I would rather, I would rather have rather her and her soul.
Like, seriously, as a person.
I don't believe her.
I would rather have someone that's not a fraud in church.
I don't believe it.
Like, and I'm not, why am I immoral?
Because I don't believe her.
I never said that you were immoral.
I would just, I mean, again, like, I appreciate the skepticism.
And I think, again, that's, that's important for all of us to be aware of.
But when it comes down to it, again, I don't think we should necessarily at any time hope that somebody can't turn their life around.
I mean, it's, it, it's just, to me, that would go against everything, everything that I believe in that I stand for, right?
Like we want every, we want people to turn their lives around and get their lives on track and turn back toward God is my argument.
And that's the argument that I made for you.
I mean, that's the argument that I made against you in that NALA video.
Miracles happen, but I don't play the lottery.
And that's what I would say.
The chance of her being really converted, I would say, yeah, you could win the lottery, but you probably won't.
10 years from now, 20 years from now, will she be quiet in the back of the church?
I doubt it.
I would put money.
She's going to have to get a real job.
It's going to be too tough.
She'll be back.
You think so?
Yeah.
Yeah.
If this influencer thing doesn't work out, she'll either be a female pastor or an OnlyFans model.
It's one or the other.
Well, I hope that that's not the case.
I hope that she stays away from it.
And again, I'd rather have a confused Christian than, you know, somebody who's doing whatever she's doing online on OnlyFans.
Okay.
Well, thank you very much for coming on.
We'll definitely have you back.
All right, Pearl.
Thanks.
Talk soon.
Talk soon.
Okay, guys.
So I think that's all I got for you today.
Do you guys like having the people that make the hit pieces on me?
If you guys like this, I can do it.
Sometimes I'm just like, do I need this?
But it was kind of fun.
He was respectful.
We liked him.
So, anyways, guys, make sure you like the video on your way out and subscribe.
You know, if we get more signups on the website, I can do more edgy stuff.
I really want to, there's, I really want to bring some people back on, but it would have to be on the website.
So I got to get enough signups.
Let me, oh, let me read the website today.
I am sorry, guys.
I got distracted.
Okay.
So before we go, I hope you're right, but I'm unsure.
Yavak says this means they're only removing their sellable, what the value when it's on the decline.
Chris Watts says that he has two found Christ and he has a daily devotional available.
At least he stopped killing people before talking about his conversion.
I should have said that's funny.
I was in church.
I was a church going, nice guy for decades.
This guy is a simp.
Demonstrate your commitment for a decade or so.
Then we'll praise you.
I respect this guy for coming a lot on and defending his position.
I do too.
I do too.
I don't, if he wants to come back, you can come back on.
Pearl's critics get more upset about her being community noted than about what Nala did, OnlyFans.
Why Smear do Catholic women need to spread to get their annulled three times before 40?
I hope that men and women keep trying to build faithful marriages.
Pearl, that's too damn negative.
One needs to keep trying to stay together.
Her point is that society is skewed to giving women all the power that can't work long term.
It's the liberal society that created these scenarios for laws.
You have to look at the system and the stats.
It's not a reasonable or financial educational decision without a bulletproof prenup.
The stats don't support men.
And there's too much cultural pressure for women to divorce for many reasons.
There's a huge incentive.
Unfortunately, he's confusing potential benefits from a non-rigged marriage versus the reality of today.
Hopefully people see the BS happening in society.
There is no traditional marriage in the U.S.
The system won't allow it.
What men allowed these laws, rights, and policies to keep happening?
All the Democrat women that are willing to stand up in front of the world, stating the most important voting issue for them was the ability to kill their unborn child.
Okay.
Best chance of a lifelong marriage, only the laws of Moses.
If he divorced, then a letter and send her away.
No payments, no children, if she's caught in alimony.
Okay.
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I'm sorry.
Next show, I will be better.
I will do a break mid.
I got carried away.
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