Troy Francis and Sukaina Benzakour dissect modern dating’s transactional shift, where 20% of men dominate success while half of women risk becoming "side chicks" or entering gig work—OnlyFans, sugar dating—due to oversaturated markets. They critique vague self-improvement advice for women, contrasting it with men’s actionable goals: top-tier fitness, style, and wealth (e.g., $6B crypto reparations analogy). A Twitter poll reveals big breasts rank high after thinness, but they argue beauty standards alone aren’t enough; skills like coding or discipline in habits (e.g., reducing phone-checking) matter more. Meanwhile, "trad cons" fail to curb sex work, exposing generational gaps in dating expectations—from TikTok’s superficiality to AI shooters struggling for authenticity. The core takeaway: meaningful connections require effort beyond appearances, whether through fitness, trades, or mental resilience. [Automatically generated summary]
You when it's too like forward, I don't know what it is, but then again, we but the other thing is that we respond to it, so maybe we just don't even know because I don't think guys would do it, they wouldn't get the flashy cars and stuff if we didn't respond to it.
Well, I think, but isn't it isn't there a difference between having the flashy cars and then actually boasting about it?
Yeah, I worked with a guy one time, he was like a crypto millionaire, and um you know, we went out to the mall and he was going to talk to some different girls and stuff like that.
He would literally get his phone out, he'd just go, Hey, hey, you look really nice, I wanted to come speak to you.
By the way, look at my jet skis, and he'd get out his phone and like show the photos of the jet.
Oh, I've got three houses on the island and all this kind of stuff.
I was like, man, you've got to like tone it down a bit because you'll drop it in later on in the conversation when you feel like you've gained her trust a little bit.
Yeah.
Kind of just like, yeah, you know what?
Well, I own three houses on the beach.
Well, I always tell the story about I've told the story about Tristan so many times now that I'll truncate it as quickly as possible.
But basically, I was in a cigar lounge with Tristan Tate.
He kind of got talked to the waitress.
He ended up getting her number.
And the whole point of it, the whole point of it was, he didn't at any point say, oh, by the way, do you know who I am?
Or I've gone to Lambo Parks Outside or look at my amazing Instagram or any of that.
It was all just based on how he came across.
And the point is, you know, it's it and I don't think she knew who he was or anything.
So it should be, it should be implied in your demeanor.
Yeah.
And then as it comes out later, okay, fine.
But, you know, I think, I think leading with it is difficult.
And the other thing is, you are in danger of also attracting the wrong type of women as well.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So bragging is definitely something.
What is the best first date, you guys?
You have taken a girl on and you have been on.
How long does it think about this?
Well, I like to keep it pretty simple, to be honest, really.
I mean, I personally just like to go for to go for a couple of drinks in a nice lounge bar somewhere, which I know is like kind of boring, whatever.
But, or, you know, maybe you'd want a more exciting answer for this.
But the reality is, I think keeping it simple as possible is the best thing to do.
I don't like dinner dates as first dates.
I've got a friend who I don't know if you, I don't know what you think about this.
I know this guy and he's he's just obsessed with the idea that every woman now wants in London wants to get taken out for dinner on a first date.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure that's entirely true.
I don't think it's entirely true.
Personally, I think the best thing to do, a couple of drinks, go to a nice place, sit down, see what the vibe is.
Right.
I'm not into like doing fancy activities or, you know, dinner's awkward because, you know, you could end up spending too long.
You haven't spent too long.
You're sitting opposite each other, all that shit.
You know, have a couple of drinks, see if you see if the vibes there, see if it's good.
And then after that, you can make a decision what to move on to.
So that's always been that's always been my preferred thing, really.
Yeah, I kind of like your approach, just simple, you know, no pressure.
I mean, the step down from that, I don't know what you think about this then, is coffee dates.
I personally, I'm not a huge fan of coffee dates.
I'm not a fan of coffee dates.
And I did a video on TikTok and I got a lot of hate for this one.
So, you know, why?
Because you said you don't.
Yeah, because I was just basically like, you know what?
Can we just stop with the coffee dates, please?
Basically, what I said in the video was that coffee dates and things like going for a walk, you know, sitting in a park, these for me, I feel like are just low-value dates.
It's low-value, yeah, yeah, because it's almost like you're signaling into the woman, like, I kind of can't even be bothered to be on this date.
It's kind of like applying for a job that you're not really bothered about.
Yeah.
Why would you do that?
You know, it's like a waste of your time, waste of her time.
What would be a preferred first date?
For me, well, I'm quite like, I like things like going to the theater.
So going to the theater or watching a show.
And a first date.
Isn't that hard that you booked like tickets to something?
Why don't you think it's hard to get to know a guy on a first date if you're watching?
Like, I would almost prefer the coffee over the theater because I could actually get to know him.
Is that just?
I don't know.
I feel like, see, I think I'm just a bit like different.
Like, I just like if he booked something for us, like a pasta making class or something, I'd love something like that.
I just think from the guy's point of view, it's not about someone you don't know.
I know they're probably like, I don't even know you.
What about drinks or drinks?
Okay.
No.
Wait a minute.
So you said you said you like my approach and now you say you don't.
I don't know.
I like it, but I don't love it.
So I would do it, but if I really, really like it.
But that's the point because guys want to filter out for women that actually like them.
Yeah.
So if I really, really liked the guy and he was like, okay, for example, like the guy that I met at Claraj's, he said that he'd made a reservation at Zuma, but he was like, before we go to Zuma, let's go to a bar before and speak and talk and then we'll head to the restaurant.
Did you end up going with him?
No, I didn't.
I ended up cancelling, but story for another day.
Okay.
Well, but big out of shoes.
Well, that's okay.
That's that's fair.
At least he kind of gave me a bit of both.
So we'd meet in the bar or whatever and we'd talk before and then we'd go to the dinner.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, I mean, so my issue with things like the theater and even pasta making, I think, like you said, I think the problem is you go to the theater, you watch the show, you watch the play, and it's like, like, you know, you're sitting there for an hour and a half, two hours.
You don't have that time to get to know each other.
Like, like, what I, what I really want to do.
No, you're right.
You're right, actually.
Now that I've thought about that, I just want to sit down with her.
I want to see, I want to see what the vibe is like between us.
I want to see if we get on, if there's a spark there.
After that, yeah, fine.
You know, and look, I mean, there's this whole contentious thing in the space about should you take golf dinner first day or not.
I've softened up on my approach to that a little bit.
I have been on dinners from the first day.
I don't, I, yeah, fine.
Okay.
If she wants to do that, that's that's all right.
Um, I think like a nice lounge.
Well, no, that's what I mean, though.
I'm talking about, I'm talking about like a busy bar.
I want like a lounge, maybe like a hotel bar.
Hotel bars are the best.
They're the best because you can actually hear each other.
You feel so comfortable.
Yeah.
So, okay, yeah.
All right.
Hotel bar then.
I'll meet you there.
Okay.
All right.
Tomorrow night.
Tomorrow night it is.
Tomorrow night, there we go.
Well, I was in Clarity's.
I was in Clarity's the other week, actually.
I was you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I really like that bar in there.
Which one?
Do you mean the one?
Because there's two, isn't there?
Yeah, there's two.
But you mean the one that's on the pink velvet like sofas?
It's on the right, I think.
Yeah, the more sort of small, slightly smaller as well.
Yeah, quite small and intimate and a little bit dim.
I like that one.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
There you go, guys.
It's a London tip for you.
There we go.
I do think drinks are a good first date or coffee.
Actually, I disagree with the coffee thing.
I would love to hear, like, is it, is it because you just feel more comfortable?
Okay, because my thing is on a first date, I'm trying to figure out if I like you.
Okay.
Because, you know, and I don't want to be roped into something if I don't like you.
You know what I mean?
So if I go out to like a theater, like, what if I get there?
It's awkward.
And then I'm sitting there for two hours with someone I don't even like.
Yeah.
No, I get that.
I get that.
Or dinner as well.
But see, I feel like because my approach is a little bit more different because like I don't, I don't do the whole speak to someone and then quickly meet them.
Do you know what I mean?
So it's like, if I'm going on a date with you, I've spoken to you for like a month.
Oh, geez.
Probably.
And I kind of feel like, you know, so I kind of feel like I know you.
We've gotten a little bit closer.
So now this is the first day.
It's like, oh, wow, this is exciting.
We're both really excited for it.
Okay.
There's a level of closeness between us.
We're not complete strangers.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, I take it off.
That sounds like a lot of work.
Yeah.
A month of talking.
A month, but maybe like two weeks.
Yeah.
I try to, I've tended to move more quickly than that, really.
I've tried to sort of get them off, you know, the platform.
No, I know people who just kind of like speak to someone and then they're like, okay, you free this Friday?
Let's go.
Yeah.
But I always like that.
I find it's better like that.
And the reason is I find that if I wait a super long time to meet someone, I don't like them that much.
And I think as women, sometimes we'll like convince ourselves we like a guy.
We don't.
Like, I just find that when it's like quicker, I just, I actually like them.
Yeah.
And also, what if you turn up and after all of that?
And he's just not really.
He's not the one.
It's such a waste of time.
Yeah.
I had, I had that.
Like.
I was speaking to, oh, God, this embarrassing.
I was speaking to a guy for like seven months, but it was lockdown.
It was locked down, right?
So we couldn't see each other.
And we spoke for seven months.
And I remember just thinking, this is the person I'm going to marry.
And he thought the same.
And we were so excited about the connection.
He was like, you tick all my boxes.
I was like, you tick all my boxes.
We even like liked the same stuff, you know, like he drank coffee out of like a Versace cup and things like that.
It was tiny small things like that.
And then we met and I can't even explain it.
There was nothing there.
Yeah.
There was just literally, and I remember feeling so disappointed.
And so I was like, why isn't it working?
And that's why I still think meeting in real life has its benefits because when you meet in real life, generally speaking, you can sense immediately what the chemistry is going to be like.
You know, you've had that conversation, even if you've only spoken for a couple of minutes, you can kind of get the vibe.
And most of the time, that's worked very well for me.
I mean, I remember it happened.
Rare occasion.
And bearing in mind, I don't even drink or anything.
So alcohol's not involved in this anymore.
But like, I remember one time I met one girl and I met her.
It was in the evening.
We met somewhere.
We seemed to get on quite well.
Went for a drink with her a couple of nights later and it wasn't working.
And I was like, actually, this isn't working.
I'm not feeling this, you know, like whatever.
But generally speaking, when I met people in real life, that hasn't been my experience because you've already met them.
You kind of know.
You kind of know.
You just kind of, you've got a sense of them already, which you just don't have on the dating app.
Yeah, that's very true.
Although, in saying that, you know, I've also had some good experiences from the apps as well.
So I can't entirely write off the apps.
It's just that, well, as we all know, I mean, for guys, it's, it's a bit tougher on them.
Yeah.
I think it's really hard.
Definitely.
I think it's hard for everyone.
Like, I just hear everyone complaining nowadays just about dating apps.
I think it's harder for guys.
No, you're going to get all the guys in the comments to be like, no, she's.
No, no, no, no.
Listen, I know it's harder for the men because obviously they actually have to get the matches.
I get it.
And women are obviously getting matches like quite easy.
But I just, but then even when the women meet the men, they're just not connecting with them.
And then she has to do it again and again.
But why is that?
Is it because is it because of something about the way the men are coming across?
Like the vibe of the, is there a common theme with these men or is it just different things with each one that's a false?
I feel like the main thing that I keep hearing, and I speak to a lot of women about this, is men are just not stepping forward.
So there's a lot of men that are kind of getting the girls' numbers, texting, texting, texting, doing the whole, you know, sending each other emojis, whatever it is you're doing.
And he's not locking in a date.
And I know a lot of women that are complaining about that recently.
It's just sort of like they're tech.
I don't know if it's fear.
Is it, is it, do they have dating anxiety?
Well, maybe, but like.
Because they're just texting and the girl's like, well, he still hasn't asked me on a date.
It's been three weeks.
What's going on?
Guys in the chat, why would why would a guy do that?
I'm just curious if the chat wants to want to.
Yeah, let's not.
Yeah, yeah, please.
Why would a guy, why would a guy get someone's number and not?
No, because the standard advice from, you know, from myself, like the dating coach arena would be, would be, no, you want to get her off the app as soon as possible.
You probably want to get onto WhatsApp, whatever, and you want to arrange the date as quickly as possible.
Because why not, right?
If you kind of like her, she seems cool.
You like her pictures, whatever.
You might as well meet her.
Yeah.
And then just see if it, if the vibe's good in real life, because if it isn't, otherwise you're just wasting your time.
I feel like, okay, I had this thought.
This will never happen.
Okay.
But I think a lot of problems would be solved in dating if women paid for dates.
Hear me out.
Because we only like men that we do things for.
Women do not like men that do a lot for us because we always seem too dumb though.
There's a reason we have a reputation of not liking nice guys.
Okay.
Now hear me out.
If women were forced to pay for dates, one, we would only go on dates with men we actually wanted to sleep with.
Two, we would only go on dates with men we actually liked.
Problem solved.
Yeah.
It'll never happen.
I mean, literally, you know, in the, do you know in the restaurants, um, they say like it says menu because the menu is usually handed over to the man.
That's why it says menu.
Apparently, I don't know.
All right.
Is that true?
I don't know.
Here's a question.
I can't remember if I asked you this before, but what proportion of women, because we often hear about, okay, there's a lot of girls and they're just going out with guys because they want a free dinner.
They want to go to Nobu.
They want to go to like Baccadalia, whatever, and they just want a free dinner.
Is that happening a lot?
Because for me personally, I mean, obviously I'm not a woman, so I can't, I can't say, but even as a guy, like I wouldn't really want to go for a two-hour dinner with somebody that I wasn't into just for the sake of the dinner, really.
You know what I'm saying?
Do you think it's happening a lot or it's happening sometimes?
I mean, I wouldn't, but, but I'm also really busy and I've always been super busy.
You know, I mean, that's just kind of my whole life.
I've always had like a ton of stuff going on.
I think I'm, I, I, I think 50% of women have admitted to doing that.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they're just like.
I have friends who have done it.
I'm not.
So they're totally, they're not into that.
They're like, yeah, this guy, they're not into the guy, but they're just like, okay, I'm going to go along anyway because, you know.
I'll be honest, I did it when I was really young.
My God, I was like 17 or 18, but you're just a bit silly then.
And you're just like, oh, this guy's asked me on a date.
You don't even like him, but oh, he's asked me on a date.
So I'm going to go.
Yeah.
It's literally like that.
But now, oh my God, I'd never do that.
I haven't got time.
And if I am going to see you, it's because I've, you know, we've had some sort of interaction and I'm like, okay, there's potential.
I could see it.
I mean, the only, the only way I could see it making sense is from an almost from an Instagram point of view, like she wants to get some nice pictures in the restaurant or something like that.
But even then, I mean, do you really want to spend like, you know, two hours with some buffoon who's going to be boring and whatever?
It just seems like a time sink.
Troy, what age do you, because you're, you're, how old did you turn?
50.
50?
Oh, well, big priority.
I would have never thought that.
I know.
I look a lot older.
No, you don't.
So what age do you like to date?
Well, my girlfriend is in her early 30s, 32.
I have dated women in their 20s.
So it's tended to be, it's tended to be that kind of thing, really.
I mean, obviously, you know, I start to get older.
I mean, realistically, but for most of my life, I've dated women generally speaking in their 20s or their early 30s.
You know, I mean, and I'm not, I'm not like one of those, you know, it's got, it's obviously just got to be about the person.
I mean, I'm not one of those sort of super, super like, you know, these, these red pill guys who are sort of like, no, you know, 25, it's over and all that kind of stuff.
I like to, I like to tweet stuff like that because it looks so bad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But, but no, that's generally how it's gone.
But I mean, you know, I think I've been quite sort of, I don't know, I don't know.
You know, I've been quite fortunate in my dating life, I think.
I've found a way to riz it up a bit, you know.
I'm just curious if you find at different ages, like what's the difference between dating like a 22-year-old, 28-year-old?
Well, I mean, is there a difference in the generations between millennials?
Well, it does.
I mean, look, with the best will in the world, obviously, as the age gap increases, you do start to, it's a bit like, hang on a minute, we're like, like two generations apart now, sort of thing.
And I mean, you know, I was, I was dealing with a girl who was in her early 20s and, you know, and you listen, I like a bit of Drake.
I like a little bit of like, you know, it's like, you know, you know, I've down with that shit, but at the same time, you know, some of the stuff she was into, very into TikTok, or there's another girl and she's like, it's not even about Instagram boyfriends now.
It's about TikTok boyfriends.
Like, oh, can you film me do these TikTok dances and stuff?
And it does start to get a little bit.
But I mean, yeah.
So there was one, there was, there was one girl and like her concerns were very, it was all a bit so, like, soap opera.
It was all a bit like petty and, you know, oh my God, my friend stole my product handbag.
Oh, blah, blah, blah.
You know, all this kind of shit.
And it was all like, Jesus Christ, this is kind of a bit inane.
Where did you meet these women?
I think she was from, I can't remember where I met her.
I think she was a banner or something, actually.
Okay.
Or maybe she was in real life.
What problems would you say women should bring to men versus not?
But sorry, just to finish, just to finish that last, just to finish that last thought, but as you then get into, you know, in your 30s and stuff like that, obviously it becomes less, it sort of equals out a little bit more, I think.
So the younger 20s, obviously, they're still, you know, quite, quite sort of immature or whatever, but whatever.
Okay.
When you say what problems, do you mean what?
Well, because you said, I'm just curious from a guy's point of view.
I mean, obviously the ideal is none, but if you're dating someone of your day, I'm just curious, like what, what, what do you find annoying when women bring to you?
Well, I mean, this particular one girl rank, she, she wanted to do a video call with me, and it was like, it was late at night here.
It was like 11 o'clock.
I'm pretty tired.
And she's like, oh, I got to do this call.
I got to do this call.
So we get on the call and she's a French girl.
No, no.
It sounds like a French girl.
No, no, it was, it was a different.
She was banging on for ages about this whole scenario that had happened where she'd been in this hotel and her Prada handbag had got stolen and she kicked up a fuss and got all the staff and said, Right, I wanted to see the security cameras and blah, blah, blah.
And she thought it was one of the staff that had stolen it.
And then the management said, actually, how old do you know this girl you're with?
And she said, oh, she's one of my best friends, blah, blah, blah.
And the guy said, actually, listen, it was her that stole the handbag.
We've got the evidence.
And there was all this drama.
And she was like, oh my God, I got to believe it.
You know, and she was, she was just going nuts about it.
And I was, you know, I mean, look, I mean, I mean, obviously, I'm going to, you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, man, that must have been really bad.
But I'm kind of sitting there going, you know, you know, so things like that.
First world problems.
I mean, it's first of all, she was obviously upset about.
I mean, the worst thing about that was it wasn't so much like a product handbag, it sounds superficial, but basically she'd been fucked over by a really good friend of hers.
So that was the worst thing.
So I did have, I did, I did have some sympathy for that.
But, you know, things like that, it's a little bit like, did I really sign up for this?
Do you know what I mean?
But if it's something more substantial, like they're like, oh, I'm thinking about like a career change or, you know, do I, what do you think about this?
Then, you know, if it's a girl that I'm, I'm seeing, seriously, I'm happy to like sit down and talk with her about things like that.
I think that's, you know.
Okay.
Interesting.
What is the most impressive thing a woman has done?
Like that really impressed you?
Terms of like thoughtfulness or, you know, whatever.
How crude do you want me to?
Oh, God.
What?
Like, like, like sexual stuff?
I don't know, really.
What have people done?
I mean, people, you know, they bought nice gifts for me.
They've written me nice letters.
They've sort of, I mean, it's more the small things, I think.
You know, like, like if they write you a letter, there's this guy on Twitter, right?
And he's got this girlfriend.
He's always, he's one of the sort of traddy Christian type guys.
And he's always flexing about, I've got this girlfriend and you red pill guys, you don't know real love.
And his girlfriend writes you these letters and then he just script, he just photographs them and puts them on Twitter.
Oh no.
And I'm a bit like, I mean, that's kind of private.
Yeah, yeah.
But no, when they do things like that, or they write nice little notes and stuff like that, I think those are those are some of the some of the more meaningful things.
You know, I mean, yeah, you know, like, look, like my girl now, she just, she, she gave me a card the other, like, bearing in mind, you know, we come off the back of a very long separation.
And also she has a lot of reasons to not be in a particularly good mood with me, really.
She wrote me this really nice card and stuff like that.
It's a small thing, but it's things like that.
You know, you're like, oh, okay, that's what's the most thoughtful thing a guy's done for you.
Yacht party.
Dubai.
Do you know what?
I remember one guy, he made this like you guys are going to think it's, I know people in the comments are going to be like, he's such a sim.
He is this.
So he basically like he learned things about me.
So like, I have hay fever, like things like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So like, you know, my allergies are really bad.
My favorite colours purple.
Just like he just wrote things about me.
And what he did was he made this big, I don't know what they're called, like hampers.
Is it like a hamper?
What do you mean, a box with all the stuff?
Yeah.
It was a box with like all this stuff for me.
So yeah, it was like hey, he, because he was a doctor.
So he got me like hay fever eye drops, like the best ones.
Just like purple pajamas, all my favorite snacks, all my favorite like chocolates.
Just filled this massive box up.
Even got me like this really cute, like leopard print fur, like blanket, because I love leopard print.
It was just random stuff.
And I was just like, oh my God, he knows everything.
Like, I was really like, yeah, I was impressed because it was a massive box.
And I just remember thinking, like, it's just got everything in it my whole life in here.
So I'm just curious.
Did you guys stay together?
No, we didn't.
No.
It was a very new thing.
Hammer you.
It was a very new thing.
No, no, no.
I cut it off.
We'd only gone on like three dates or something.
But was he a bit?
Was he a bit soon for that level of sort of well, this is going to sound so wild, but I mean, my life is literally like a reality show.
Turns out he was gay.
That's why the gift was so good.
Wow.
That's never.
Yeah.
Actually, I had this question.
I asked my volleyball team this question.
If you got left, if you're in love with a guy or girl and you got left and you found out it was because they were gay, does that make it better or worse?
Well, my girlfriend said it makes it better.
Yeah, I think it does.
Because when I knew he was gay, I was just like, oh, okay, this is why he never complimented me that much.
Right.
Yeah, great.
What do you think?
Would you think it's bad?
Because it's kind of, you can't compete against that, really, can you?
If it's like, okay, fine, you know.
I would wonder, did I?
I would think I do something to find it like, you know what?
I wish you could miss.
I would think, did I, did I make him that?
Like, that's what I would think.
Yeah.
Kind of unusual situation these days, though, isn't it?
I mean, you like people don't have a problem coming out.
So it'd be kind of weird.
Well, not weird, but you know.
I think he came from a very strict background.
What nationality?
What ethnicity was he?
I don't, I just don't want to be too, because I don't know if he's even out, but he came from a Middle Eastern background.
And I think he's, he was Muslim, I believe.
So he was probably.
It was really difficult for him, I think, to come out.
And I mean, in the end, he was kind of honest with me and just sort of said, like, you know what?
Like, I haven't been honest about my sexuality and things like that.
I mean, it was fine.
I think I'd only gone on like two or three dates with him.
So it wasn't even.
It's a very thoughtful gift.
But he was really sweet, actually, and gave me lots of like medical advice.
So, you know, he was great to call up if you needed to find something out.
Well, there's always these side benefits, isn't it?
Exactly.
Would you have considered gender reassignment for him?
Oh, I don't know.
I think I just, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
Absolutely.
Not what is the solution to modern dating?
I mean, I mean, so you think it's getting harder, right?
It's getting really hard.
Yeah.
I did a shoot.
Like, I did this like AI shoot yesterday, and there was like a bunch of men behind cameras.
And I just randomly asked them, I was like, are you guys like dating?
What do you think about dating?
They were all like, oh my God, it's so hard.
These were like grown men, just like, you know, tech guys.
I think.
And they were like, it's so hard.
They were like, you can't get any dates.
Everybody's just fake.
There's so many options.
And I was like, wow.
I think the world is just going to go the way it's going to go.
I think 20% of men are going to get laid a bunch and have a bunch of chicks.
I think, you know, half of, you know, maybe 20% of women will get married and stay married.
Half of women will be side chicks for a lifetime.
And half of women will be on OnlyFans.
Oh, God.
Interesting.
No, it'll be interesting to see.
I think we're going to see a really big increase in the amount of sex workers.
I think we're already seeing it.
I think it's going to be more normal to have sex worker teachers, congressmen, all that stuff.
Because you're already starting to see it in America.
There's like someone running for office that was a former, like she had like nudes on the internet, that sort of thing.
Wow, okay.
I think if they start taking away some of these government benefits for women, I think we're going to see a huge influx in the amount of women on sex doing sex work.
I think it's higher than we even think if you include things like sugar dating.
Yeah.
I would guess like a quarter of women have done some sort of sex work.
Interesting.
Okay.
And people think I overinflate that.
I think I underinflate it.
If you include, if you include IG models being flown out, if you include sugar dating, if you include Cam working, isn't it?
Well, the shoot, yeah, because the Instagram stuff, I mean, you don't even need to officially be, well, I mean, know more about this than me, but you don't officially need to be on a sugar site because if you're getting guys floating into DMs anyway, saying, hey, come to Miami or whatever, and I'll pay the ticket and, you know, that, yeah, it's happening.
It's clear, it's clearly happening because you look at these women and you can see it's definitely happening.
I mean, I know so many people who've done it.
And it's so easy as well.
It's just like they match with, well, it's not even just match.
Sometimes they just slide in your DMs and just say, look, I'll fly you out tomorrow.
It's so easy.
Well, I think the solution, though, for guys, I mean, it's to get in the top 20% of men.
You're going to get a ton of chicks.
No, but it is the solution, really.
It kind of is the solution.
And I don't think, I mean, in a way, I don't think it's, how can I put this?
I don't think it's a terrible thing if it does become more transactional, because I think the transactional nature of it has always been there to some extent.
Yeah.
It is a masculine, you know, people say, oh, you simping beta, you know, you're paying and all that kind of shit.
But the reality is that, well, as I think it was Sartain said, you know, money is a proxy for competency, right?
Yeah.
Women find competency in men attractive.
And look, at the end of the day, what's more fun?
If you've got two dudes of equal like attractiveness or physicality or whatever, and one is saying, hey, let's go to, let's go to Italy for the weekend.
We'll go to the coast.
It's going to be fucking amazing.
And the other one's like, oh, you know, they've got a sale on steak baked at Greg's.
You know, like, which one are you going to go for?
I just love Greg's.
Greg's great.
I mean, well, and I just think it doesn't really matter what I think in a way, because the world's going the way it's going.
And that's what I think sometimes the trad cons, they're like, go back, go back.
I'm like, I can't change the whole freaking culture.
Like, even the idea of a culture war, I'm like, how successful have you guys been in changing the culture?
Is there less sex workers?
Is there less quote-unquote degeneracy now?
No.
No.
And even your trad wives didn't become trad till 32.
I'm not trying to be rude.
Like, it's just, you know, even like the trad chicks aren't trad because they didn't get married in their early 20s.
It's not, I'm not saying they're bad people, but it's like, you know, but I think you're right.
I think the solution for guys is to get into the top 20% or at least to get as close to the top 20%.
And look, let's be honest.
It's not that everybody has to be Jay Waller.
I mean, you don't have to, as long as you're somewhat better than the next guy, you're still going to have options.
Do you know what I'm saying?
I would say for women, it's the same thing.
You can be in the top 20% of women if you get in shape, learn to look at it.
Basically, what we're trying to say is just everyone should just be striving to be the best versions of themselves.
Yeah.
Because looks do matter.
And for men, money does matter.
But do you think that there's more self-improvement advice aimed at men than there is at women?
There's no real self-improvement for women.
It's all fake.
It's all, it's all, this is what women love hoflation so much.
And if you listen to all the dating coaches for women, it's all just know your worth.
Yeah.
Well, what if you're a fat horror?
Like, no, really?
Like, that's not real advice.
And even when I noticed when women's like fashion coaches don't dress in a way that men, and I'm not claiming to be like a fashion person.
Well, I'm an expert stylist.
Yeah, good child.
No, but I've even noticed that when women dress each other, like you might have this on, so no offense.
But women, like men do not like shoulder pads.
And even like this stuff, I guess they don't really like that.
Like it makes you more like boxy.
And like when I pull men on what they like, it seems to be more like sundress type vibes.
And I've just noticed even when women stylists don't dress women often in like a more feminine way.
Yeah.
For like the male gay.
I just found out the other day that the number one thing that can increase women's options is big boobs.
Is that true?
I don't know if I don't know if it's true or not, but that's like, it was on this Twitter account that got, so don't, don't quote me, but I think it was like a poll on the things that like men value.
I mean, outside of being thin, it was like boobs was like the next wave.
I think that's somewhat dependent on the guy.
I mean, I think some guys, you know, value it more than others.
But again, on that Chris Williamson thing, again, with Piers Morgan, one of the things he was saying was that one of the problems you've got in modern society is that if you look at like movies and stuff like that, women are always seen as being immediately perfect.
Like they don't have to do anything.
And he quoted some film examples, which I forget, but he was basically saying, look, she's already perfect.
So the only reason she's facing any adversity is because of the patriarchy or the outside society.
And he said that's not a very empowering message for women because the message isn't, well, go to the gym or work on this or do that.
For the most part, now the message for guys, as we know, it is that.
You know, the message is, no, get in shape, lift, fucking get your money up, get your style up, you know, all that kind of stuff.
And in a way, I think for men, that's a good thing because it has encouraged, well, not all of us, but it's encouraged a lot of us to do those things.
And I just think as a human being, it's good to do those things.
Yeah.
So if you were going to make a self-improvement course for women, what would, so obviously one is fitness.
What's two and three?
Being nice.
Etiquette.
Well, I mean, it's got to be fitness.
There's got to be some sort of beauty component, hasn't there?
There's got to be dressing for your body show.
I mean, I mean, fucking Britney Bentley sees this.
I mean, you know, but, you know, a lot of, unfortunately, a lot of it for women is physical, but, but what about some of the more mental things?
Well, I think, I think, I mean, you've said yourself, like women, you know, why don't women learn some kind of a useful trade that isn't OnlyFans?
You know, why don't they learn how to, I don't know, code or learn how to, like, like, so that they've got some sort of a skill set that isn't just based within their looks, you know, because even if she gets married and she has a kid, maybe there's something she can do, you know, some kind of business on the side.
I mean, that doesn't seem to get encouraged very much, you know?
And then I suppose you've got the spiritual practices, but they do, they do get pushed a bit, don't they?
But you're, I mean, you know, the mindfulness and all that shit, you're probably not on board with that, you know.
Well, I would be on board with it if there was like real ones, which is most of them are just, I just haven't found many that really have substance.
I think a lot of women, not a lot of women, some women that I've dated actually, they actually don't do very much, you know, and with the greatest respect, you know, they get up, they look at a bit of social media, they watch some Netflix.
Sometimes they exercise, sometimes they don't.
They're not very disciplined with that.
They're sort of that it would be, in my humble opinion, I think it would be better if they had just more shit going on.
Do you know what I mean?
So it's like, okay, because like the fundamentals of my life, like I always like to exercise.
I like to trade every day.
I like to do some meaningful work.
I like to read or at least listen to audiobooks.
I like to, you know, what else?
I don't know, like obviously take care of fashion, shit like that.
Like, I think there are certain pillars that I think men have, and money as well, getting your money up.
Now, for women, that's in theory less necessary because you're waiting for the guy who's going to come and pick up the tap.
But even so, I just think for having a meaningful life, if you could get some of those pillars in place and work towards those.
Because you must be happy because I mean, you've, you know, you've got a, you've got a job.
You're doing, you, you're doing cool stuff in media.
I mean, surely that must bring you some satisfaction.
Absolutely.
But I think, I think what I always say to women is that you should, because I get a lot of messages on Instagram, TikTok saying, how do I act busy?
How do I make him see that I'm busy?
And I'm like, no, no, no, you're not meant to be acting like you're busy.
Actually get busy.
Start doing things in your life, you know, cultivate yourself, inspire yourself, go and learn a hobby, you know, learn a skill.
I don't know, do something with yourself and make something of yourself so that you actually are busy.
Yeah.
And then you're not sitting there checking your phone to see if he's texted you or, because when you're busy, you're not checking your phone.
I promise you, you're not checking your phone all the time.
Or take up some kind of creative pursuit if you're like writing or painting or something.
I mean, I mean, passion project.
Yeah, it just seems like this is, I'm not saying every woman, but I've certainly, you know, dealt with some women, women, and it seems like there's that behind the nice Instagram facade, there's just not a lot going on.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Because it, it, the thing is, with those type of women, is that it's all about the image.
It's how do I appear on social media?
If I had to redo my 20s, I would become a personal trainer at like 21.
I feel like if you're in your early, no, no, because hear me out.
If you're 18 or like, what's college really going to do?
I think that college, you kind of learn nothing.
So it's like, what is the one skill that'll benefit women for a lifetime?
Whether it's dating, you could go into, even if you, let's say you want to be a businesswoman, your looks.
So you should max that out.
Like you should, like 17, 18 or, you know, when you're in your early 20s, I would get a job at fitness.
Yeah.
To start, anyways.
And you can get a job in whatever later.
It reminds me of those, you know, those Abercomby Fitch models in the stores.
They have to be very, very good looking and just aesthetically pleasing to get that job.
I think even with fitness, though, I mean, there are a lot of women and they do work out and they are very disciplined and that's great.
But I also think there are some women who kind of don't because they can sort of coast because they're a great, you know, and it's like, okay, it's fine now, but you want to set that foundation, really.
And also, it's better for your mental health as well.
You know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just think I don't know.
I feel like beauty is subjective because what could be beautiful to you may not be beautiful to Myron, for example.
I don't know.
It's someone in the room.
It's not that subjective.
I feel like it's.
But I think one thing, even if it's different men or even if it's different races and stuff, men still rate the same.
Like they did an experiment where they had men submit celebrities that they found attractive.
And it was the same sort of face shape.
Even if it was like a different race, it was still like the same eye width apart.
It was still the same like lip.
Yeah, but I think when we're speaking about this, I think what we're trying to say is like different guys have different specs.
Okay.
Let's just be real because the world is not black and white.
So I think what I would say to women is just try to be the best version of yourself.
If you're not happy about your weight, let's do something about it.
If you're not happy with the way your hair looks or something, let's do something about that.
Do you know what I mean?
Like try to fix these things about yourself so that you can be the best version of yourself.
Because, and then, you know, you do stand a chance of meeting someone.
Because you do need to level up.
You do need to level up.
I think it's sort of like you want to meet a woman who's got somewhat of an interesting life or she's got something going on.
I mean, I know it's sort of like on the one hand, it's like, yeah, it doesn't matter.
She's cute.
Who cares?
But I think the truth is somewhere in between.
I think you do want somebody who's got some shit going on.
Like, she's going to raise the kids, right?
Well, she's going to know how to do things.
Well, yeah.
Okay.
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Do you know who Peter Nolan is?
Rings a bell.
I don't know.
He's been in my chat recently saying that I'm afraid to meet him.
And I'm like, I don't know who you are.
I just heard of him.
Or he's like, he's afraid.
She's afraid to talk to me.
Is he like related to Christopher Nerlin?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Don't know who it is.
He's saying alimony is voluntary.
Okay.
I was just curious if you knew who he is.
It rings a bell, but I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I don't know him.
He might be on Twitter or something.
Okay.
Well, tell the people where they can find you guys.
Thank you for coming on today.
Thank you.
Fun little chat.
Yeah, fun little chat.
Thank you for having us, Pearl.
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Great conversation, as always.
As always, yes.
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I'm like, do you know how many emails I get?
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