Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein critique Ukraine's potential NATO admission, citing a 2008 CIA warning that it would trigger World War III. They analyze Tucker Carlson's January 6th interview with Russell Brand, where claims of federal agents at the Capitol suggest a false flag operation, noting Carlson's subsequent firing after recording an interview with former Capitol Police Chief Stephen Sund. The hosts condemn Dr. W. Ian Lipkin and Dr. William Hotez for refusing to debate COVID misinformation, arguing that suppressing such evidence undermines democratic oversight and scientific integrity. Ultimately, the episode frames these events as coordinated efforts by elites to silence dissent through manufactured crises and suppressed truths. [Automatically generated summary]
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America's Next Enemy00:04:02
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Here's your host, James Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I'm Dave Smith.
I'm being joined, as always, by Robbie the Fire Bernstein, who is literally in the hotel room next to me.
This just made the most sense to get the episode out quick to record it this way.
But if you see me and Rob both put our hands up on the wall at any point, that's just us trying to be closer to each other.
So, Rob, you're 10 feet away from me and I spoke five minutes ago.
How's it been going?
How are you?
I'm having a great time in Kansas City.
This is my town, baby.
I like it.
Kansas City's cool.
The Comedy Club of Kansas City is a great club.
Unbelievable shows so far.
And we got our last night here.
Anyway, yeah, got to come see me and Rob on the road if you haven't already.
Cleveland Hilarities, that's the next stop.
Come on out to that one.
I'm excited.
I'm recording my comedy special this week and looking forward to it.
Just kind of putting the finishing touches on it this weekend.
It's the follow-up to Libertas.
It is, I get asked all the time since 2017, when are you putting out another comedy special?
And the answer is soon.
Recording it this week.
Dude, I'm so excited just to drink and be able to sit in the audience because I'm always like running around.
Like, you know, I catch 10 minutes here and then I got to go check on whatever, but that's going to be fun night.
Just you and Lewis taping.
It's going to be awesome.
Yeah, it's cool.
It's cool to do it with Lewis too.
You know, we started stand-up together, so it's cool to put this out.
And it's kind of a long time coming.
I mean, I recorded my last special, my first special I did in 2017.
And then I was like late 2019, I was like really getting the new hour together.
And by early 2020, I was like, all right, I got it.
I remember specifically doing, it was a show with you and BK Chris in Boston.
It must have been in February of 2020.
And I did the hour and I came off and I was talking to you guys and you were like, yo, the new hour is really like coming together.
Like it's, it's fucking, you know, and I was like, yeah, dude, I need like, I need two months and I'll be ready to record an hour.
And just those two months, it was like the world changed.
It was so crazy.
Like you, you couldn't imagine from like February to April of 2020, you were living in a different, in a different planet, you know?
And so not only was everything shut down and I couldn't go work out the hour anywhere, but also like the world had changed.
And I'm doing, you know, I do comedy about the world and it's like, whoa, this is, you can't, no one really wants to talk about this old stuff you're talking about anymore.
And I have to have something to say about this.
And then it was months and months of that.
Anyway, so then I had to really kind of just start from the beginning.
And then, of course, later in 2021, as I was starting it, my wife got pregnant.
And of course, we found out about the health complications with that pregnancy.
That kind of threw a wrench and everything too.
And so anyway, it's just been a lot, it's been a long time coming and a lot of revamping my set.
But I'm excited.
I'm excited to put it out.
I'm excited for all you guys out listening to see it when it comes out.
Okay.
So The first thing I wanted to talk about today is which sounds too crazy to be real, but unfortunately, it is real.
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Next week is the beginning of the NATO summit, their latest summit, and they will be voting on whether or not to add Ukraine to NATO.
Now, let me just say to preferences, I don't see any way that this can happen.
It's against the UN rule.
You can't, if you're having a territorial dispute, you can't be admitted into NATO.
And they're clearly having a territorial dispute.
Oh, that makes sense.
That's like buying an insurance policy after you get sick.
Yes, yes, right.
Exactly.
You can't, in the middle of a war, just be like, hey, we want to, yeah, let's make a deal.
If anyone attacks you, we'll help.
And if anyone attacks me, no help.
By the way, I'm being shelled right now.
It doesn't work that way.
You also need unanimous agreement.
So only one country has to stand up against World War III for this to not happen.
You know what I mean?
And I don't think it'll happen.
Particularly, you know, and this is one of the things that this is one of the reasons why Ukraine is not in NATO already is because countries like Germany, particularly Angela Merkel, she was against it because they know they're the ones who will like they're they're the first in line if it does become a direct conflict.
But I just wanted to almost, and I know I've, I've talked about the history of this conflict on a lot of a lot of platforms and on this one a lot, but just to like go over this to go how insane this is.
Okay.
So rewind the tape back to a time far away, 2008, okay?
Which is not ancient history.
Does feel like a long time ago.
A lot's happened since 2008, but it's not, you know, I'm not going to like 1942.
It's 2008.
And Vladimir Putin has been in charge of Russia for approaching a decade at this point already.
And no one, you can't find any American leader, any journalist, anyone who's ever called Vladimir Putin an imperialist, who's ever claimed that he is a war criminal or anything like that.
There's just that that was not the claim that was being made.
In fact, George W. Bush was saying, like, I looked deep into Vladimir Putin's eyes and he's a good man.
He's a Christian.
I could tell he's a good guy, you know?
And then even later, you know, when Obama came in, Hillary Clinton said, we hit the reset button and all of this.
Like the whole, this narrative about him did not exist at the time.
There may have been like some small complaints, but this whole thing was not the case.
Because when we were invading Durham Free Secret, I was just saying we were invading countries and he was staying silent.
He was our best friend.
And in fact, after 9-11, Vladimir Putin was all on board with helping America in the war on terrorism.
That was probably the worst crime you could come up with that he committed was that he had our back.
And also because they have a radical Islam problem as well.
And so he's always been kind of, you know what I mean, like concerned about that.
But he was just nothing but trying to be friends with America.
And George W. Bush instead started taking a very aggressive posture toward Vladimir Putin for no reason when he was trying to like extend a hand.
Now, part of this also, I will say, was out of fear.
Everybody was doing that with America.
But this is Gaddafi is waving the white flag.
And, you know, all these countries around the world are like, oh, they have a blank check for war right now.
Then we better make sure we're not on the wrong side of that.
So in 2008, in February, there is this private cable that gets sent.
And it's important to note that this is private.
This was not published.
This wasn't like, this wasn't propaganda.
This wasn't something that they're like, this is what our government wants the people to think.
This is a private cable from Burns, who is the current CIA director.
At the time he was the ambassador to Russia.
And he sends a memo to Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State at the time.
So this is not, this has nothing to do with spin for the public.
This is their private communications.
The only reason we know about this is because, of course, Julian Assange, the hero, probably the best journalist in the 21st century, who's paid essentially with his life for doing this, he released this information.
He dumped it.
That's the only reason why we know this even exists.
And the cable is titled, Nyet Means Nyet.
And the topic was about Ukrainian entry into NATO, because this idea had been floated at for a while.
And he was just letting Condoleezza Rice know that this was the brightest of red lines for the Russians.
And that he was like, this is, they are really like, they're putting their foot down about this and they're not kidding around.
Like they just will not allow America's military alliance to be on the doorstep of like of their neighbor, their biggest neighbor, a very strategically important neighbor.
They can't have it.
Now, George W. Bush had already put these dual-use rocket launchers, the ACIS rocket launchers, in Poland.
And this was a big issue for Vladimir Putin because they can be used to launch nuclear missiles.
And it cuts down on the time that we could hit Russia.
And the official stated reason was that we wanted to protect Europe from Iranian nuclear weapons.
But, you know, the problem with that is just that those don't exist.
So like no one, Vladimir Putin's not really buying that.
And so as America is going around invading countries, you know, really in the height of it here, Vladimir Putin's very concerned about this.
And according to Burns, he said in this memo, it was like, it's not just Vladimir Putin.
It's everyone in Russia.
He goes from the most liberal liberals to the most right-winger, right-wingers, they're all unanimous.
Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of red lines.
And he says in this memo to Condoleezza Rice, he goes, not only, you know, does Ukrainian entry spark a nerve in Russia and it makes them fear encirclement and fear that they're being aggressed upon, but they're also very concerned that it could lead to destabilization in the region and that there might be a civil war in Ukraine.
And if that were to happen, these are the words of our current CIA director back when no one was calling Vladimir Putin an imperialist.
He said, if that were to happen, Russia would have to decide whether or not to intervene.
And I quote, a choice that they do not want to have to make.
So that's what he said in this memo in February of 2008.
Two months later at the Bucharest summit, NATO announced that both Ukraine and Georgia would be coming into NATO.
They announced that this was going to happen.
Now, the reason they didn't admit them at the time was, as I said, because Angela Merkel put up a fight.
But George W. Bush pushed through that they were going to announce that they were coming in, that it was a matter of time.
And then a couple months after that is when Russia went to war in Georgia.
And there was over a dispute.
They had some Russian forces in this breakaway province, South Ossetia, and Georgia attacked them, and Vladimir Putin responded and they went to war with Georgia.
But this is, I'm just making the point that this was the thing that sparked the tension.
And this isn't just like me or this is what the CIA director said.
These were his words.
He was like, this is the big issue for them.
So the idea that after all of this time, and it played out just like that.
After they overthrew the democratically elected government in 2014, there's a civil war in Ukraine that went largely uncovered in the corporate press from 2014 all the way up until Vladimir Putin invaded last year.
There was a civil war.
Something like 15,000 people died.
It was horrible.
And Vladimir Putin intervened for sure.
He didn't invade the country, but like he sent special ops essentially, you know, in.
But so this is basically this all happened.
They moved forward with the plan to bring Ukraine into NATO.
They backed an overthrow of the government.
It led to a civil war, and Russia had to make the choice that our own CIA director said they were going to have to make that they didn't want to make.
Okay.
And that doesn't mean they made the right choice.
You know, it's certainly not.
And it's horrible what's happening over in Ukraine right now.
But it's just something, if you know, like, that aspect of the history of this, that they're even taking a vote on this next week, that they're even voting on like, should we do it?
Should we do, should we try to do it again?
Has like, and it's crazy.
It's just so wild how people are like so, they just get so retarded on this issue that they're like, what do you say?
It sounds like you're not condemning Vladimir Putin enough or blah, blah, blah.
You're like, dude, can we just have a sober conversation about this?
And go, look, has the guy not demonstrated enough that he won't put up with this?
Like, what do you think?
He's not playing.
Has anyone not picked up on that yet?
He's not playing around.
He meant it.
And this is what Burns was saying.
Essentially, because it's like in diplomatic language, but like what Burns was saying was like, yo, he means it.
That was basically what the whole memo was.
He means it.
This is a red line.
This will be war.
And now it is.
Now they're still playing around.
Like, what do they think he's going to do?
He's going to go, oh, you're in NATO now.
All right.
Well, we all got to leave.
Crimea too, I guess.
What do you think?
He's just leaving everything now.
No, if you were to do this, and again, this isn't going to happen.
But if you were to do this, it's World War III.
That's what you're voting on.
So just pay attention to who votes which way.
Because the people voting for World War III are not your friends.
It's certainly not out of an interest of protecting democracy, which has been suspended, by the way, in Ukraine.
I think Zelensky just recently said, if we're still at war, we can't have elections that are scheduled next year.
So it's like, oh, yeah, that's how we got to fight to protect democracy, which, by the way, is on pause, you know, but anyway, pretty nuts.
The pausing democracy, like, so if your entire country would rather the war be over, how do they vote on that?
How do they change or maybe get someone else that might take a different strategic approach here of not just taking a lot of money from America to puppet for them and, you know, just burn your country to the ground, have people die to what?
Try and bleed the Russians.
And this NATO talk, I mean, we just, it's been an escalation of fighting the Russians.
No victory here other than Ukrainian, a ton of death.
Like they're just trying to escalate it.
And to what end?
Where does that go?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's wild.
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They control these things with so many different topics, but how you just like you somehow, if you just bring up these most obvious basic points, you're like demonized and all of it's so strange.
I remember I was when I was debating Constantine on this topic on Michael Malice's podcast.
And like he said at one point, just like the thing you were touching on with democracy, it's so silly.
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The belief in democracy is so silly.
Like he was a good dude.
I felt like he debated honorably and he wasn't like sleazy.
He made his points.
I was not, did not find them compelling, but you can listen and judge for yourself.
But he said at one point, like, like, I was just like, you know, I was like, look, I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't have a right to defend themselves.
I think it's wrong that they're conscripting an army and not letting people flee if they want to.
But if people want to stay and fight for their land, self-defense is a natural right, you know?
And the Ukrainians are legitimately victims in this whole situation.
I would argue, as like, I think John Mearsheimer very convincingly argues that they were essentially led down the primrose path by the West.
Basically, the West encouraged them to get tough with Russia at their peril, you know?
But like they are victims in this whole thing.
I mean, there's some bad people there too, but there's a lot of people who are victims.
And they have a right to defend their country against an invasion.
But I was like saying in the, I'm like, I just don't, I don't think we should be supporting it.
I don't think we should be supporting a proxy war, you know?
Like that's, that's not our, our role, especially as the biggest fucking warfare state in the world.
And he said at one point, and I was just kind of, it's like people who aren't in our world sometimes, you're just like stunned by the naivete of it all.
But he was like, well, I mean, you're an American system, an American citizen, and that's, I'm not here to tell America what America should do.
And they're like, and you have the right to vote on it.
And you're like, what?
No, I don't.
Like, I get a vote on whether we support the war in Ukraine.
Like, how exactly?
Like, first of all, Joe Biden never ran on the war in Ukraine.
He never said anything about it.
It wasn't happening when he ran in 2020.
So, like, this war happens after Joe Biden's already been in office and no one got a vote on it.
The next time we get to vote is next year in November.
We got a year and a half till you even get to vote.
So there's no, you have no vote for how long.
Who knows if we have another year and a half?
You know what I mean?
Like it's this could get really bad way before then.
And even then, if I vote, what?
I can vote for the guy who says he'll end it.
And what?
Cross my fingers that this is the one time a presidential candidate isn't lying through his fucking teeth.
Like, what does this even mean?
It's all, it's just so obviously like it's demonstrably an illusion that we have any type of vote or any type of say in this.
Like, forget even like your feelings on democracy in general.
It's just, this is obviously not true.
Like we never voted on this.
The American people never voted on this.
They never get a vote on this, and they never will get a vote on this.
This just happens, whether we like it or not.
And, you know, it's just, it's insane and reckless.
And on that note, I think it's worth noting as you and I have spoken about how this is an escalation towards nuclear war.
We're not predicting nuclear war, but we're saying that we're just inching closer towards that.
It also seems like we're not really even prepared for any style of conventional warfare against the Russians.
I think we might even have a video, but where Biden's talking about how we have to sound over these illegal bombs.
What are they called?
The scatter bombs?
Whatever the hell they're calling because we don't have the supplies.
Like, how are we spending this much money on a military that doesn't even have like bullets and the basic stuff?
It seems like we're not really prepared for that style of warfare.
From what I understand, or at least I've read this somewhere that if like we tried just sending like our Navy ships over, like the, we would just get rocked by Russian subs.
So it's like, how, what exactly would be the game plan for even fighting Russia if you're telling me that currently we don't even have the normal or regular supplies to not be fighting them and just handing, you know, random excess supplies over to the Ukraine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's cluster bombs.
Yes, cluster bombs.
It's, it's, it's revealing.
You realize how much this isn't, you know, which really should have been made clear to America in the last the last, you know, 20 years that it's like, listen, we are a dominant military power.
There's no question about that.
But we're not the gods that these people think we are.
Like we can't just do everything.
It's all this.
This really comes out a lot when people talk about Taiwan.
And the conversation will be like, they'll be like, well, we can't just let China invade Taiwan, which by the way, for whatever reason, that's just a topic that's always coming up, even though China has not invaded Taiwan.
You know what I mean?
And like, there's, it's like, we're just like looking for this next conflict somehow.
And the hawkishness on China is just so insane.
So again, so insane and reckless.
We just want to pick fights with both of the nuclear superpowers in the world.
It's so bizarre.
But even when people think about things this way, it's what I always call, I call the empire mentality that America needs to break out of.
And the way I always try to respond to that is when people go, well, we can't let China invade Taiwan.
And I'll be like, okay, listen, let's just say, we don't want to do this.
None of us want this to happen.
But let's just say America wanted to invade Mexico City.
And then I were to ask you, should China let us?
Like, don't you don't you just like immediately hear what a ridiculous question that is?
Because you're like, let what what the fuck are they gonna do?
If we really wanted to do it, like that was America's, you know, the entire government apparatus and all of the people, we were like, we want Mexico City.
We're gonna go take that.
What could China do to stop us?
What?
Come halfway around the world and get fucked up and then we still take Mexico City?
That's what we can do about Taiwan.
Go halfway around the world, get fucked up, and then they still take Taiwan.
And maybe we go to nuclear war and destroy the whole world in the process.
What are we talking about here?
So once you recognize that, then you have a completely different tone with the whole thing.
You're like, oh, okay, let's encourage China not to do anything to Taiwan.
How do we do that?
Well, we don't do it by like fucking threatening the shit out of them.
And we don't do it by warmongering with them.
Maybe we do it by convincing them it's not in their best interest.
Maybe we do it by, you know what I'm saying?
Like there's, there's like other paths here.
And we never asked Taiwan what their feelings are.
You know, it feels like a weird custody battle where the parents are just going after Taiwan.
They get no say.
I don't know.
Maybe they like China.
Taiwan's not old enough to make their own decisions.
But, you know, but like, so with the conflict with Vladimir Putin, in hindsight, it's so obvious.
Like, what would have been the path here?
Well, obviously, since we're seeing now, we can't just stop them from taking Ukraine.
All we can do is fucking prolong a bloody war that gets Ukrainians slaughtered.
I mean, look at it.
It's this isn't like, I'm not arguing in theory.
I'm saying, look at what has happened.
This is what happens, right?
So if you could rewind back to 2008, what would be the answer here?
Well, it's obvious.
It would have been to assure Russia that we're not going to bring them into NATO.
Assure them that Ukraine can be independent.
You know what I mean?
That Ukraine does not have to be a NATO country.
That's fine.
But what need did we have to announce that we were bringing them into NATO?
What did anyone, anyone benefit from that?
Who benefited?
Ukraine?
Clearly not.
Russia?
Clearly not.
Us?
Obviously not.
So it just, it's so insane.
And it is, you know, for all the criticisms you could have of like the founders of this country, if you go read what like George Washington or like what Adams, like what they wrote about this stuff, it was really, it was so brilliant.
Like they really understood in a, in an old world, you know, a completely different world than we live in today, but they understood that it was like, look, here's what you do.
Stay out of entangling alliances, be friends, trade with other nations, have good relations with them.
Don't go around the world looking for monsters to slay.
You know what I mean?
Because you'll find them and then you'll destroy yourself in the process.
There's very like profound wisdom in all of that.
And you can just see already that it's like, I'm not saying Vladimir Putin's great or he's he's a good leader or he's a good guy or anything like that.
I'm not saying he would have been perfect.
But just imagine if we had just like, you know, taken his concerns seriously.
We have such huge negotiating tools here.
And this was one of the things that like I was talking about when Vivek Ramaswamy was on the podcast with him.
I was trying to kind of encourage him.
He was, he was reasonably good on the Ukraine thing.
Not great on China, but better on my show probably than stuff I've heard him say otherwise.
But like he was pretty good on the Ukrainian thing.
But he was talking about how we could negotiate, you know, by promising, you know, all of these different things.
And you're like, we have the ultimate bargaining chip with Vladimir Putin.
There's all these people who are out there.
They're like, well, you know, it's like you'll see this on Twitter.
Whenever people push back against the tape, it's always like just the dumbest shit.
But they'll be like, well, you know what would end the war?
If Vladimir Putin just left, that would end the war.
And you're like, yes.
Okay.
You're right.
That would end the war.
So, hey, now that you've figured out your perfect theory of what would end the war, let's operate in reality and try to make that happen.
What could we give Vladimir Putin to convince him to do that?
Well, you know what?
I guarantee you would work.
I guarantee the ultimate chip that we have.
Tell him we'll leave NATO.
Forget Ukraine not joining NATO.
Tell him we're leaving.
The U.S. is leaving NATO.
We're not.
The most war-hungry country in the world is not going to have this gigantic military alliance taking up most of Europe.
He, I guarantee you, in exchange for that, we could get whatever we wanted out of Vladimir Putin.
You know, short of like wife.
Yeah, short of his wife or his country or something like that.
But like, there's no question in my mind, like we could get him to back off of Ukraine.
And he could declare that a victory.
He could declare that the ultimate victory.
He saves face.
You know what I mean?
It's a whole thing.
And what would we get for that?
What?
We'd save a bunch of money.
We wouldn't have to subsidize the defense of wealthy European countries.
It makes no sense for us to be in NATO.
The justification for NATO existing was that after World War II, the two superpowers that were left in the world were the United States of America and the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union was a big, strong, powerful country that had just won the Second World War.
And the rest of Europe had been destroyed.
It was leveled in the war.
And so it was kind of like, okay, well, we'll subsidize your defense and we'll make this agreement that if Russia attacks any of you, if the Soviet Union attacks any of you, we got your back.
But now you look around and Europe hasn't been leveled by war.
Europe is rich and the Soviet Union doesn't fucking exist anymore.
So what, why wouldn't we just pull out of it?
You remember back when Donald Trump used to always ask those questions about NATO and he'd be like, why do we have to subsidize the defense?
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This is bad business.
You know, why do we and did anyone ever have an answer?
No?
There's never a good answer to that.
So that's it.
It's like things like this.
It's not that we could end all of this tomorrow.
You could actually, you guys who are the Mr. Vladimir Putin just needs to leave.
I care about the Ukrainians so much.
All you people, you could have it.
You could have it very soon.
That's the way to negotiate it.
Just go with the ultimate chip first.
Give that to him and give that to us.
Win, win, win.
We win, Ukraine wins, Russia wins.
How's that for a solution?
They won't even consider it.
Instead, the consideration is, should we bring Ukraine into NATO?
Just fucking unreal.
Ungoddam real.
Oh, Rob.
What can we do about it other than get some Kansas City barbecue after this?
I don't see any other solutions.
That's our next move.
That's our next move, my friend.
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So let's switch over to, I wanted to play this clip of Tucker Carlson was on Russell Brand's podcast or show, whatever you call it.
I feel weird that we still call all these things podcasts, but Tucker Carlson, I believe this was his first Interview since being fired.
Like he's doing his Twitter show, but I believe this is the first time that he went and did another show.
It was really, really good.
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I highly recommend people go watch it.
I love both of those guys.
I love Tucker Carlson and I love Russell Brown.
I think they're just, they're both very thoughtful and entertaining, just interesting people to listen to.
So anyway, okay, there was a clip where they started talking about January 6th.
I thought this was very interesting.
So let's check that out.
Kind of narrowed the available population down significantly.
It's just me now.
I'm the only person who sees that as an advantage.
Well, I really just laugh like a Chinese girl, though.
Also, they said, of course, these FBI whistleblowers that the FBI had a significant number of agents, that there were other law enforcement agencies there on January the 6th.
In fact, it was the whistleblowing on this subject that caused them all this grief.
In a sense, there are some discrepancies, shall we say, on how that event was initially reported on with regards to what actually went down.
Now, what you've been accused of in the mainstream after you received, I think it was like 40,000 hours of footage from your man McCarthy there, was that you sort of cherry-picked is the phrase that often comes up, footage to deliberately show that it was to a degree a peaceful event.
What is your sincere opinion of what went on on January the 6th?
And why do you feel that there is yet an attempt to regard it as a deliberate insurrection?
And also within that, I guess the possibility for presenting moments of peace within 40,000 hours of footage does exist.
So were you sincere in your presentation, or do you have a particular perspective on how they may have?
Well, let me just say one of my children was there working in the building and called me during it and was right nearby when Ashley Babbitt was shot.
So I was interested in it from the moment it happened.
I was appalled by the vandalism outside by fighting with police officers.
I hate violence from abortion to the war in Ukraine.
I mean, I am consistent on that.
I'm not a Catholic, but I share those views.
I definitely share those views.
I'm not for the death penalty.
I'm not for killing people.
I'm not for hurting people.
I'm not for violence.
And I've had those views for a long time.
So, you know, any violence on January 6th, I oppose.
I've said that many times.
I was kind of happy to leave it where it was, which is this got completely out of hand.
The only reason I ever got involved in commenting on it was, I mean, we did a show that night saying, well, this is awful.
Great.
What happened?
Was the lying about it was immediate.
This was a racist white supremacist insurrection.
Okay.
There was no indication to this day that race had anything to do with it at all.
Like nothing.
These are people who thought the election was stolen from them.
There's some evidence they were right.
We could debate that, but that's what they thought.
That's a meaningful thing.
If you've got a big population in your country that doesn't believe that your elections are on the level, you need to figure out a way to convince them that the elections are on the level, or else you can't have democracy because it's a faith-based system.
So that was the first thing I noticed.
Let's pause it here for a second and just talk a little bit because I already found this to be a really interesting response.
And there's, you know, it's funny the accusation Tucker gets that he was cherry-picking.
And Russell Brand's right.
That is the accusation he got from the entire corporate press was that he's cherry picking.
He's just picking out these few peaceful moments to make it appear as something that it's not.
But it's like we've already seen all the violent moments.
You guys put that on loop for years.
Like, so how is that not cherry picking?
Why is it not cherry pick?
Why is it why is it cherry picking that we get to see the other aspects of it?
Nobody, we clearly, we had all, every one of us, every single human being in America who does not go out of their way to not pay attention to anything, have seen the windows being smashed, seen the struggles with police, seen violence of the FBI.
Yeah, right.
Seen Ashley Babbitt get shot.
We've like everyone's seen all those images, right?
So how is it at all?
It's not as if this came out first.
Like you could kind of understand the argument.
If let's say no one had ever seen any footage of January 6th, right?
And the only thing that was being released was the video Tucker showed of the shaman being like guided by the cops.
And then he went, see, this was a totally peaceful event.
Then you would have a fair point, right?
You'd be like, well, no, look at all this, this other video of like breaking windows and struggling with cops and stuff like that.
But this came out well over, what was it?
How long was the gap between then?
Two years later?
You know what I mean?
Like it's, it was, we'd obviously seen all of that.
And then Tucker's just adding in that like, oh, okay, that might give you an impression that this was the whole thing, but here's actually what was going on with this one guy who got thrown in jail for it.
Like, it's so bizarre that that would be the accusation.
And it's all it's, it, if I had a complaint with Tucker, it would be that he somehow pictured all of this footage.
He showed us one of the videos.
He teased that there was going to be a lot more.
And that guy's out of jail now.
He's one for one in terms of getting people out of jail by just showing us more footage of what actually happened on that day.
You know what I mean?
That's not like, that's not a spin.
Literally just highlighted footage showing that what they had done was cherry-pick information and not actually showcase the guy being more civil than had been initially characterized.
And that person is out of jail.
The questions are, where's the rest of that footage?
What happened that you weren't able to put the rest of it out?
But I'm just saying the fact that a criticism of Tucker is that what he put out was cherry-picked.
Like that was the first video that put out.
It gave more context to information that we already saw.
And now the guy's out of jail.
But it's just so crazy.
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
And it's just, it's so crazy that they, this is kind of the way the regime works, that they just accuse you of exactly what they're doing.
And it's like bizarrely, yeah, it's bizarrely very effective and infuriating at the same time.
It's like if someone came up and punched you in the mouth, like that's an issue.
And you might be like, okay, I got to figure out how to defend myself.
I got to hit them back.
I got to, whatever you have to do.
But if someone comes up and punches you in the mouth and then goes, hey, you just punched me in the mouth.
You're like, wait, what?
It's like almost confusing and disarming.
It's like really like fucks with you.
It's a very bad, you know, but so they'll literally go to Tucker Carlson, you're cherry-picking.
Like, no, you were cherry-picking.
The fuck do you mean I'm cherry-picking?
That's literally what you were just doing.
You clearly cherry picked footage and didn't show us all of this footage that showed something else, like another aspect to this, which is that, oh, yeah, a whole lot of it was peaceful.
It wasn't just a violent riot.
No, again, that doesn't change the other images that also happened.
But like, it certainly does change your impression of this shaman guy.
You know what I mean?
You're kind of like, oh, he was let in and then guided by police around into the chamber where he wasn't supposed to be or whatever, you know?
Anyway, all right, let's keep playing on the video.
So that was the first thing I noticed.
There was no effort at all to convince people.
Actually, electronic voting machines are secure, which they are not.
By the way, that's a lie.
And any country that has electronic voting machines is by definition at risk of having its election stolen.
By definition.
No country that cared about democracy would have electronic voting machines, okay?
First thing.
No one even, and by the way, many Democrats have made that point.
Not now, but 10 years ago.
All right.
Let's pause it here.
Because this, again, is something very interesting.
Scandalous.
Man, post-Fox Tucker.
Yeah.
Well, look, he's not wrong about this.
There was a very popular democracy, a very popular documentary.
I believe it was called Hacking Democracy.
I think it came out in 2006.
And it was from a very left-wing progressive point of view, being very critical of the voting machines.
Now, back then, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were in government.
So it was kind of like it was accepted to think that, oh, maybe, you know what I mean, they would steal power and not give it back or something like that.
Maybe he didn't really win or whatever, you know, all that stuff was fine back then.
And it is true that this was very common for like left-wing activists who, you know, in theory, you know, care about democracy, that they were very concerned about these voting machines.
And I think that's exactly right.
The other thing Tucker kind of touches on there, this has become like a major theme of this show, too, is I really think it's a very interesting dynamic in America today.
This is what Jeff Dice calls a post-persuasion America, that the progressive elites seem uninterested in even trying to convince the other side that they're not what they think they are.
There's not an interest in pulling everyone back in.
You know, I never forget, I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I'll never forget, because I read Henry Kissinger's book, World Order.
And Henry Kissinger is truly one of the great villains of the 20th century, no doubt about it.
But he's no dummy and he's an interest, you know, like he's a very powerful guy.
And he said in that book, I believe very early on in the book, he says that the greatest president in the history of America was Truman, which, you know, libertarian doves like me and you probably would not pick the guy who dropped nukes on cities as the greatest president ever.
But Henry Kissinger's reasoning for this was that he said Truman pulled off the greatest feat that any president could ever pull off, which was that he humbled Germany and Japan into submission, won the war, and then brought them back into the fold of the world order, which if you can get past the evil, you can understand the point he's making.
You know what I mean?
Like there's something pretty incredible.
What was it?
I think Mike Tyson said, I'll fuck you till you love me.
You know, there's something impressive about fucking a country until they love you.
And you can certainly understand where if your goal is world domination, then that would be like quite an accomplishment to bomb, target civilians, just bomb them into the ground, and then have not only those governments, but the people of that country waving American flags.
That's pretty impressive.
Now, of course, a tremendous amount of violence it took to make that happen, which is, you know, ugly and not really morally okay.
But nonetheless, I get the point he was making.
And the thing that's kind of different now is that like it used to be in the past when the establishment would root people out of the conservative movement.
You know, they'd get the John Birchers out and the, you know, whatever, I'm sure the Rothbardians out.
Like all these people got driven out of like national review and stuff like that.
They weren't allowed in conservatism, Inc.
But the goal there seemed to be to pull the conservative movement back into the establishment umbrella.
You don't, you know, we want them to believe that the Birchers are a bunch of kooks.
You know, these guys, you know, they're, oh, they're whatever.
They demonize them as racist and you guys aren't racist.
You don't want to be like that or they're conspiracy nuts and you're not a conspiracy nut.
You don't want to be like that and kind of pull them back into the fold.
What Tucker's touching on here is that there was, there seemingly was no effort to try to convince the Trump voters that believed this election was stolen that it wasn't.
And what Tucker points out here is that, and I love that he says this, he's so close, by the way.
He's so close being a good libertarian.
And I don't mean that.
I mean, he's got some very non-libertarian positions, but even just like when he said the thing where he's like, look, I oppose violence.
I oppose violence across the board from abortion to the war in Ukraine.
I'm always against violence.
And you're like, okay, well, that's all right.
I don't know if you are across the board.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm with you.
I'm with you on both those things.
But then it's kind of like, hey, how about like government regulation, taxation, the war on drugs, like all these things?
They're all, guess what they all involve?
Threat of violence.
And in fact, often following through on that threat, on that threat.
But anyway, we'll get Tucker to be a good anarcho-capitalist another day.
But he also points out here that democracy is an article of faith.
And that's exactly right.
I mean, that's like exactly right.
The whole thing, all of government really is an article of faith.
And this is true in every type of government, not just democracies, that you, you, it requires people to believe in you because there's way more of us than there are of them.
That's always the case, even with a government as big as the U.S. federal government.
It's got millions of employees and stuff, but there's still way more of us.
There's hundreds and millions, hundreds of millions of us.
And so you kind of have to believe in it in order for the thing to work.
And I think that's kind of really the essence of what he's pointing out, that there, first of all, if you're, if you're some, I mean, all governments are corrupt by nature, but if you're somewhat of a not as corrupt government and your elections aren't, you know, being rigged, you would think that the response to a large percentage of people believing they were rigged would be to show them that, no, they're not.
In the same way, it's the same stuff with all the COVID shit that we were talking about with that coward, Hotez, who won't go on.
You're like, okay, if you believe all this misinformation is being spread and it's wrong and it's so damaging that people believe it.
So go and explain it to people.
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Go point for point and explain what guys like me and you are getting wrong, you know?
But instead, what's his thing?
No, I refuse to do that.
And those people should be silenced.
Science doesn't work that way.
Yeah, that's right.
Science doesn't work that way.
You can't respond.
You can't debate science.
It's impossible.
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Anyway, okay, let's keep playing this video.
To reassure anybody, they immediately used it as a cudgel to make their political opponents shut up and in a lot of cases to send them to jail.
So I noticed this.
I'm like, wait a second, nobody here is operating in good faith at all.
They're just immediately lying with maximum aggression.
And anyone who asks questions about it, like me, and if you could go back and look at the tape, my first five shows on January 6th were like, well, yeah, it's bad, but I don't think you're telling the truth about what actually happened.
Shut up, racist.
So that's always the key for me.
If it's like an infection, you know it's infected when it hurts.
You press it, you recoil.
They immediately recoiled when you asked any questions about January 6th.
And that was a tip off to me.
I mean, I had no thought in my head as I watched this happen on television and in the subsequent weeks that U.S. law enforcement or military agencies had anything to do with it.
That never crossed my mind.
I never thought there was, it was a false flag or anything like that.
I'm not a conspiracist by temperament.
I never thought that.
And then I interviewed the chief of the Capitol Police, Stephen Sund, in an interview that was never aired on Fox, by the way.
I was fired before it could air.
I'm going to interview him again.
But Stephen Sund was the totally non-political worked for Nancy Pelosi.
I mean, this is not some right-wing activist.
He was the chief of the Capitol Police on January 6th.
And he said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that crowd was filled with federal agents.
Yes.
Well, he would know, of course, because he was in charge of security at the site.
All right.
Let's pause it there.
So that was kind of the bombshell of this whole thing.
And goddamn it, it is, as you kind of touched on, Rob, it's great to see Tucker just untendered from Fox now.
This is what's kind of great.
It's kind of the best thing ever because now there's not even, not saying that anyone was hard telling him at Fox, you can't say this, you can't say that, although I don't know.
He says they weren't.
But it's just great that even just having those soft incentives to be like, well, maybe I don't want to go this far and I would lose something if I did.
Now he's just like, I don't care.
But isn't it interesting?
So he interviewed the chief of the Capitol Police and he said it was there were tons of federal agents in those protests in the protests.
This thing is really starting to smell like a false flag.
And I don't think that's like jumping to conclusions or being too wildly speculative.
Like, I think that's, that's a pretty big, I mean, there was already some evidence about this.
This, this makes it, doesn't that make a lot more sense why under oath, uh, the head of the FBI, uh, Ray, wouldn't say whether there were federal, uh, whether there was FBI agents or informants within the insurrectionists, you know, starts to make a lot more sense.
Starts to make a lot more sense.
And the other thing, which I don't know, I'm just speculating, but isn't it?
It's pretty interesting that he, this must have been right before he was fired because he said he recorded this, but it never aired.
And Tucker did a daily show.
So it's not like this would have come out.
This must have just been like a few days at most before five blessing, my point.
Goben, there you go.
Should have got, should have gotten the backs.
But you know what I mean?
So this, this must have been right before he got fired.
And that's pretty interesting to me.
Now, I will say this.
Tucker says in this interview at another point that he does not know why he was fired.
He still doesn't know why.
And I'll tell you that I know a few people over at Fox News.
And from what I've heard, nobody there knows.
And when I say nobody knows, I mean, obviously there are higher ups who know.
I don't know the higher ups, but I know people who are like, you know, host shows at Fox News.
And the word is that no one knows and everyone was speculating.
Well, he was a huge thing that sent waves through the company, like their biggest guy got canned.
You know what I mean?
And they said everybody just had no idea, has no idea what's going on.
They're all talking to each other.
Like, do you know anything?
Do you know that no one knows?
And I'm not saying I know this is the reason.
Certainly there's other plausible reasons, but isn't that pretty interesting?
Like, this isn't just like some wild speculation.
This isn't even something like Rayeps, where you're like, hey, what the fuck, this big dude out there who's encouraging everyone to go in, then doesn't get charged, then is treated as a hero or a victim by the Democrats.
Like that seems really weird.
This is like the head of the Capitol Police telling you there were dozens of federal agents in that protest.
That is crazy.
Crazy.
And it also just shows you how corrupt Fox News is, that they wouldn't just want to air that.
Like, what a bombshell.
I thought we were in the business of news.
Even if you fire the guy, you own the footage, right?
He already recorded it.
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Put it out.
At least report on it.
Like, forget even, like, maybe they wouldn't even air it, but report on it.
Tell your audience that there's this accusation that's been made from this most credible of sources, the person who was in charge of security that day.
Isn't that wild?
Isn't that fucking wild?
All right, look, we're going to, we're going to wrap up on that.
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Yeah, yes.
Yeah, no, I just, I got one other thing to plug, which is on the last episode of Run Your Mouth.
I don't know when this one comes out.
So it starts with Bobby the Bang from Sheath.
I did a little piece with him, but I did a 20-minute video explaining why I think RFK is being a little disingenuous in his way of exploring the vaccine.
So I think people of this show might appreciate that segment.
Okay.
Oh, very cool.
All right.
Yeah.
Actually, I'm interested to check that out.
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