Dave Smith and his co-hosts dissect the potential for Fox News to replace Tucker Carlson, analyzing how his departure coincided with plummeting ratings and the loss of the 8 p.m. hour to MSNBC. They scrutinize Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s shifting stances on vaccines and climate change, noting how networks edit his arguments while elites exploit environmental policies for totalitarian control. The episode concludes by exposing the U.S. debt ceiling crisis as a Ponzi scheme, warning that failure to raise the $31.4 trillion limit will trigger Social Security delays and a recession, proving the system is destined to live beneath its means. [Automatically generated summary]
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Comedy Room Secrets00:05:00
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What's up, everybody?
Let's do a part of the problem episode right here from our hotel room in your hotel room, Rob.
I didn't want to give the impression that we were sharing a hotel room.
It's not what it sounds like.
I know.
That sounded pretty bad.
Right here from our hotel room, right next to our bed.
Yeah, so we're out here.
I'm not going to lie to them.
All right, fine.
Me and Rob have been lovers for years, people.
So yeah, we're out here in Rosemont.
We've just the last couple nights been doing shows at the Zane's out here tonight.
We're in downtown Chicago.
Great time here.
This was our biggest weekend yet?
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Shows were sold out last night.
Great crowds out here.
We always do well in Chicago.
Always have a good time here.
We're doing a live podcast tonight as well, but we wanted to do one in the hotel as well because I was out in Austin all last week, as some of you may have heard, doing the Mothership Comedy Club and another legendary JRE appearance.
Great time.
Great time out there.
It's gotten a lot of good feedback from the latest Rogan episodes.
I really enjoyed it.
And that club is unbelievable, dude.
I can't wait for you to fucking see it.
It's fucking just so cool.
Tell me about it because everyone keeps saying that it's just the greatest comedy club.
It's like, by the way, I apologize.
For the record, all hotels should have coffee going 24-7.
Dave always drinks that, just not on camera.
I've never drank.
I went this morning and got a coffee downstairs.
He said, give me the milkiest coffee you have.
Before I go, let me go get another cup of coffee.
And then there's just no one there.
And I stood at the counter for way too long before slowly looking around and being like, everything is turned off.
No one's coming.
And so then I had to go get this gay little number next door.
I'll be honest, it's not terrible.
It's not terrible.
I would rather just have a cup of coffee and feel like a man.
But if I held this dainty little thing up, it's a Frappuccino.
Anyway, okay.
So the club is, it's like, you know, it's just, it's very clear that it was built by a comedian with an unlimited budget, which is the perfect way to build a comedy club.
Hell yeah.
Like a comedian building it.
So everything is kind of like has the perspective of like making it like comic friendly.
Like down to every detail.
Like the green room is up on the top floor and is this big, beautiful green room, just like booze and fucking, and it's Joe Rogan designed it.
So everybody's like, he's having a pool table there.
He just sharks people.
I don't think there was a pool table, but the table in the green room is like this beautifully crafted table with like a snake coming out of it.
It's just cool.
And then this to me, I thought was like the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen in a comedy club.
He's got up on the wall in the green room is Rodney Dangerfield's handwritten tonight show set.
Oh, that's cool.
Like literally Rodney Dangerfield writing out, and he wrote out, it's compared all the way down to the tie, like moving the tie.
Every detail is written out.
And then the fucking, the panel segment written out too.
Because he just did another stand-up show on the panel.
You know what I mean?
He'd come over and then just do more jokes.
And so that's all written out.
Evidently, Rodney Dangerfield's wife sent them to Rogan as like a gift for opening the club.
So I just thought that was super cool.
There's two rooms.
There's like a bigger room and a smaller room.
The bigger room is called The Fat Man, and the smaller room is called The Little Boy.
And they're both great.
The Little Boy is like a great comedy room, too, because it's just like packed in, and it's just excellent.
And then to get down.
You enter from behind the stage.
So you don't have to see anyone in the crowd before the show, you know, if you don't want to.
And there's like right before you get to the stage, there's like a little room off to the side just with like a chair.
There's like such a little detail that only a comedian would know that you're like, yeah, you might want to go down there and sit for five minutes before you go on stage and just kind of hear the crowd and how everyone is.
Yeah, anyway.
So great time.
Did a bunch of shows there.
Did Rogan's podcast get getting, like always, just tons of great fucking feedback from it.
So that I really appreciate it.
Million View Backlash00:04:14
Do you ever get concerned Obama might actually watch that segment?
Oh, I hope he does.
I hope he watches.
I hope he watches and hears every word and knows that millions of people are hearing it too.
I mean, I hope he doesn't do that and then call one of his old buddies at the CIA up and tell him to come get me.
So maybe I hope he doesn't watch.
I don't know.
Because you almost never see a prosecution of our world leaders quite like that, where you really just gave the bullet points of here's why this is an evil person.
Yeah.
And it goes to a wide audience.
I was pretty harsh.
I was pretty harsh on Obama.
I was pretty harsh on Biden.
They both deserve it.
The thing I was most happy with was going over all the Ukraine stuff again because I saw that clip.
It was clipped like, you know, these things go all over the place, but I saw it again on Twitter.
One of them has a million views now.
And then, you know, like you get like 15 million views on Spotify.
Then people clip it on YouTube and stuff.
So it just like gets a lot of people see it.
And last time I was there, the clip kind of blew up about me.
It went super viral.
The most viral thing I've ever done last time was talking about the history of the Ukraine war.
And last time, I kind of like, it was like I felt like I told the story.
I was like, okay, this happened, then this happened, and then this happened, and then this happened.
And it was much easier, I think, for that when people were trying to like argue against me to be like, well, that didn't happen, and that didn't happen.
And so this time I went back more like, okay, I am bringing receipts for everything.
If you listen to the clip that the one that I tweeted it, it's got like a million views on Twitter.
If you listen to that one, I'm not even really just making arguments.
I'm just, it's in a very like Hortonian sense.
And of course, I'm benefited a lot because I got an early copy of Scott's book, which is going to be unbelievable.
It's called Provoked.
So that hopefully comes out real soon.
He's such a fucking perfectionist that he's just trying to get everything perfect.
But the whole book, much like if you've read Scott's other books, like if you read Enough Already, or if you read Hotter Than the Sun.
Hotter Than the Sun, but not Hotter Than the Sun is a little different.
That was like more the podcast.
I mean, you know, like transcripts.
But if you read Enough Already or if you lead Fool's Errand, those, it's like he just hangs them with their own words.
So the whole thing is so sourced that you just can't even argue with any of what he's saying.
And it's not like the source at the bottom is like, you know, the Ron Paul Institute or something, which, again, not that we wouldn't think that's just as great, but like the source at the bottom is the Washington Post and the New York Times and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Like this, like it's like, no, this is what they said.
And he just hangs them by their own words.
And that's what provoked is.
It's all just like, no, listen, here is the overwhelming case that they were all saying this.
And so that was, I really went like this time where it was like, okay, here are all of the receipts.
And so even if you're arguing with me, you're not arguing with me.
You're arguing with George Kennan and, you know what I mean?
And Brady and I'm sorry, Burns.
And like, you're arguing with the CIA and the State Department and the defense secretaries because even they all acknowledged while they were doing all this shit that like, this is almost certainly going to provoke a reaction from Russia, you know?
Like that, it's them.
And so I was, I was real happy to get that off.
And it's funny how much of the response to it is just, it's like once I say all that, and then the people online or whoever, the NAFO guys or whatever, they come back and they go, you're just spouting Putin talking points.
And you're like, okay.
Well, it's much easier for people to see.
They're like, oh, but he just quoted like the director of the CIA and three defense secretaries and the cold warrior and like the, you know what I mean?
Like it's like, that's so ridiculous.
So you're saying they're all just spouting Putin talking points about the war in Ukraine?
And they were all saying it for the 20 years before the war in Ukraine.
So anyway, I was happy.
I was happy that I got all that stuff off.
So yeah, good time.
And it's just great, just great hanging with Rogan the whole week.
Elk Barbecue Invitation00:02:13
He's a fucking real, he's an incredible dude, man.
Just real interesting guy, real interesting to hang and talk to.
And that guy is living a life, man.
Just fucking, it is, it is his world, and the rest of us are just living in it.
Have you gotten to eat any elk yet?
I feel like that's the real Rogan write of passage when he actually invites you over, barbecues up some elk.
He's never made me elk, and it does, it's a thing in our friendship for sure.
Like, oh my God, guys, I'm not quite there yet.
You know, always the bridesmaid.
I know Shane Gillis is getting that elk.
I know he's just barbecuing up elk for Shane Gillis.
And it's like, come on, man.
No, he's, he's, I've gone to his house before, and like, even then, I was like, so when do we start grilling up this elk, you know?
And it just never, it never happened.
And you're like, I guess, I guess I got to step my game up.
I don't know.
Maybe next time.
Maybe next time.
If you're listening, Joe Rogan, next time I want that elk meat.
He cooks it real good, too.
I see those pictures he posts.
Like, he cooks it perfect.
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Punitive Verdict Issues00:14:40
All right, let's get back into the show.
All right.
Anyway, so there's, all right, so there's some things we should talk about because we've, because I've been out doing all this shit, we haven't, we fucked up our schedule a little bit.
So the big thing, I guess, that happened over the last week was Tucker Carlson getting fired, I guess.
I don't know if that's even officially been said yet.
The official thing is just they parted ways.
But it seems pretty clear that it was Fox who decided to part ways.
But yeah, he's gone.
It's one of these things where it's amazing what a week can do.
I remember when it first got announced, my first feeling was like, no way they fucking canned Tucker Carlson.
And now a week goes by and looking back on it, I'm like, how was he ever on Fox News?
How would they ever allow this guy to be on the 8 p.m. hour saying the CIA killed Kennedy?
You know, like, it's just insane.
And it's, it's, you know, I don't know, but personally, you know, me and you, we kind of have an interesting perspective on this.
I briefly mentioned this on Rogan's podcast, but we actually had a segment.
It wasn't technically a segment, but we just had done so many things on Tucker that the fans started calling it the Contra Carlson segment because we'd take apart like some of his like kind of populist economic stuff.
And he was, you know, he was real bad when talking about like free market capital.
We need to pay for all young men to be married.
Yeah, yeah.
It was like, it was just bad, the banning driving cars and stuff like that.
But so it's not as if like I was ever a guy who just agreed with Tucker on everything.
I have a lot of disagreements with him on economics.
I think he's way too hawkish on China.
There's like, there's issues, but still, like, how do you not just see things in their totality and go, what a fucking hero he was.
Like, dude, dude, during COVID, during all of COVID, he was like the most balls out guy.
And he was the biggest voice in cable news.
And he was just like railing against the COVID regime.
And then the war in Ukraine, he's been amazing on that.
Having the best guys on.
And like having really good left-wingers on, you know, having Glenn Greenwald and people like that on and Jimmy Dore and like these guys to like really argue against the warfare machine.
So good on that stuff.
So good on all of the fucking like creepy new totalitarian shit.
And like, I don't know.
Those are just, it's like he was great on the most important issues in the world.
And I just like, I'm, I'm grateful for him doing it.
And it's weird, like you see people who, you know, particularly even like the kind of like, I don't know, what are called like the regime libertarians.
What, you know, I know they don't like that term, but I don't really like a lot of the terms they use for me.
So we can stick with that.
But you know what I'm talking about.
Like just kind of like the old guard of the LP who we overthrew and the kind of like Cato Reason types who all just like, not all, but a lot of them have so much disdain for Tucker.
And like they just hate him.
And I think it's because of like some of the cultural stuff.
I think he got a lot of heat for a few things.
He got a lot of heat for his the way he talked about the 2020 election.
Even though if you actually listen to him, he was never saying like the Dominion votes were flipped.
He was always talking about like, you know, the Hunter Biden story being squashed or things like that.
He got a lot of heat for talking about what they called like the great replacement theory, where he was just talking about how like the Democrats.
Jews will not replace us.
I watched the show.
I heard him chanting.
They were wearing some Tucker Carlson-like outfits when they were on that.
Listen, the Daily Stormer makes some good points.
You can't repeat all of them on the Fox News program.
Yeah, but you pick the good ones and then you go with that.
But he was, you know, what's interesting is that even with that shit that he got so much heat for, it was like what he was saying was basically that like, yeah, the Democrats are trying to replace the population and import new voters.
Like that's their whole plan.
And the funny thing about it is that if you watch MSNBC for years, they've been openly bragging about this.
They've literally just openly say it.
But Joyanne Reed has been saying for years that the Browning of America is going to destroy Republicans.
Good luck now, Republicans.
But soon you'll be put out of business because it's going to be a majority Hispanic country.
You know what I mean?
And so it's like they can talk about it and brag about how great it is.
But if you talk about it and go, this is what they're doing and I don't think it's so great.
They're like, you Nazi.
Like it's just, anyway.
The thing that's kind of interesting to me is that a lot of those type of, a lot of the kind of libertarian camp who is not a big fan of me, they'll call me like a right-wing libertarian.
That's the nicest term they'd call me.
Which I don't really consider myself a right-wing libertarian, but I'm also like, I'm not offended by it.
Like, okay, if that's what I am, then that's what I am.
If that's what you consider it, whatever.
Not really interested in getting into the semantics, okay?
People define left and right differently, so it all like kind of depends on what your definition is.
But the truth is that they, like, okay, if there was, let's say there was like someone on MSNBC who was more progressively leaning, you know, and maybe they had some cultural issues that me and you really disagree with them on.
Maybe they were like bad on, you know, some economic stuff.
They were for Medicare for all and for raising the minimum wage, you know?
But they were so good on COVID and they were so good on the war in Ukraine.
And they were talking about the Federal Reserve and how the Federal Reserve created all of this inflation and how the Federal Reserve has distorted the economy to the benefit of like the billionaire class at the expense of the working people.
Like, and that guy got fired, me and you would not be like, yeah, good.
Finally, this toxic hate.
Finally, this Medicare for all talk is off the, you know, the, we'd be like, shit, that sucks because that guy was so good on so many.
And so it's almost like I feel like those libertarians who are celebrating Tucker Carlson, they're telling on themselves.
You're like, oh, so you don't really care that much about like being anti-war, exposing the Federal Reserve, being against COVID tyranny.
Because how is that not a big deal to you?
You could be so bad on every other issue, but if you're good on war and the Fed and COVID, like you would never hear me not at least be like, that person should be on air.
Like I'm rooting for that person to be on air.
And then throw in the fact that they generated the biggest audience in cable news.
It's just fucking nuts to me.
It doesn't matter how big your audience is, if you're not going to be nice to your employees and the employees that you never met can get on the news and talk about how you were mean to them and they didn't like the job that they continued working.
What we need is corporations that don't make money, but they're nice to the people that work there.
It's such a weird thing, man.
And it's true with Rogan.
I think it's kind of less true with Rogan now than it was for a little while there, where he really had a target on his back.
It seems almost like they launched the biggest cancel attempt ever and it failed so miserably that they just accepted defeat with him.
Like there doesn't even seem to really be an effort to try to cancel Rogan anymore.
But there was such a huge one and there was such a huge one for Tucker all along that it's just like it's really interesting.
It's like, oh, the most popular guys you would think were the most hated.
It's something like, you know, when they show those, what is it, like on Rotten Tomatoes?
Well, they'll show the disparity between the official reviewers and the general public.
And sometimes it's like Dave Chappelle's.
That's okay, that was a big one.
Where it's like 2% of the fucking, you know, of the official reviewers, whatever they call them, they liked it.
And like 98% of the general public.
Like there's such a disparity between like, you know, like if you, and then they create this thing like on CNN or on MSNBC or something or in the New York Times or whatever, if they're talking about Tucker Carlson, they're talking about him like, well, this is obviously a very controversial figure who says wild things.
But you're like, no, he's not controversial.
He's the most popular by far.
You're fucking controversial.
Like, but they still like, it reminds me of when Brian Stelter used to talk about Rogan.
And he'd talk about him with like no sense of like, you have been rejected by the people and he has been accepted.
His audience is 25 times bigger than yours.
And you're still going like, well, I think he stepped out of line with that last bet.
That's the only play they have.
I mean, that's what they did with the COVID vaccines.
Hey, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist if you're not getting this.
Everybody has gotten this.
And it turned out the numbers prior to mandates, the compliance was like 30%.
That's their only play is trying to shame you into, hey, this is what good, honest people think.
We're the credible news station.
Everything that's outside of this is crazy and only crazy people believe it.
Right.
And that's why there's such a panic about social media and things like Elon Musk buying Twitter because they really need to lock that down because social media is dangerous for them because it undermines that.
Because it's not just that people can communicate.
It's that you can see how many people agreed with that person.
You know, like there's something powerful about like, you know, Hillary Clinton.
You know, all these people, they turn off their replies now.
Right.
Because they let them know.
Yeah, it lets you know.
You know, if Hillary Clinton tweets something and then someone underneath that is like, you fucking murdered 16 people or something, you know, and your husband's a rapist.
And then that thing has like 200,000 likes.
Right.
You're like, whoa, like 200,000 people were right there with this guy.
You know, it just like, it lets you know that it destroys that illusion that, oh, you're the crazy one.
There's not these other people there with you.
It's like, no, there's a lot of people there.
So my general theories on Tucker's firing is one, in part, his emails to Upper staff made it that they couldn't mount to defend in the Dominion lawsuit.
And so when you say that, is it?
Because I don't even know the details of that lawsuit so much.
But so he had, there were private messages where he was basically saying, this stuff, the claims that Trump's making here are nutty, and we shouldn't be talking about them.
From what I understand and what I read, yes, he had sent emails to executives at Fox saying this is reckless.
And about who, probably about Hannity, about other people at Fox.
I think just the general claims and reporting on the Dominion stuff.
I wish I had more of the specifics on that.
Because I don't think the Fox News desk was doing much in that way.
But I think Hannity might have, I don't know, but I think my guess is like probably Hannity, probably Laura Ingram.
I bet some of them just like ran with the story.
I don't know.
But I think there's a good chance they just got a call and said, hey, this Ukraine thing, we can't have this reporting anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it is possible.
You had a Ray Epp's theory.
Oh, well, that's, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was saying this to you the other day, and I was like, oh, man, I totally missed this.
And like, fuck me, I really fucked up here because we did an episode about this just recently.
And I was saying during Ray Epp's 60 Minutes piece where I was like, why is 60 Minutes even doing this?
This makes no sense.
Because it just looks bad for them, you know?
And then it's like, it was so obvious once Tucker got fired.
I was like, oh, they were fucking laying the ground for another lawsuit.
And then once you realize that, you're like, oh, yeah, that's what this whole thing.
I don't know how I didn't see that as like a possibility.
But the whole time, the whole thing, he was like, Tucker Carlson ruined my life.
And then they'd play a clip of Tucker Carlson.
And then they'd be like, yeah, he's claiming you're a fed.
But it's like they were setting up another defamation suit.
And there's something real dangerous, man, about like about these libel lawsuits or libel slander or whatever the fuck it is when it's on TV.
But there's something really dangerous about it because you can kind of, it's like you see what they did with Alex Jones.
You can't now look, okay, whatever Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook, maybe it was real bad or whatever, you know, but you can see where it's setting up a standard where you're not allowed to talk about these controversial issues if you can't prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt, you know what I mean?
But if it's just pretty clear, like all signs point to this.
If you think, for example, like, okay, in this case, I guess there's not exactly a target that could sue.
But like, if you're talking about, say, like the Nord Stream pipeline, and we don't know exactly who did it.
You know what I mean?
Like, we don't really know.
Was it British intelligence?
Was it fucking American intelligence?
Was it, you know, was it Israelis?
We don't know.
The overwhelming evidence suggests that it was someone on our side.
Even the New York Times is admitting this and, you know, and then saying we shouldn't even know or whatever.
But so if you want to talk about a story like that where there's any person involved, now, what, are you opening yourself up to a lawsuit?
You know, it's like, and there seems to be like with the Fox News one and with the Alex Jones one, it also seems like the number in the settlement or in Alex Jones' case in the verdict, it seems to be like punitive.
You know what I mean?
Like this isn't just like, oh, you owe some damages.
This is like, we're trying to put you out of business with this number.
Now, how the fuck does Fox owe a billion dollars to Dominion?
You know, like that just seems crazy.
Well, the scary thing in the Alex Jones thing, and I actually, I don't want to defend him because I don't know the specifics of what was said or how much airtime was given to it.
Right.
And it seems like if what he knew was wrong and he was doing that for numbers, it's pretty indefensible.
With that being said, the fact that there was a judgment brought against him that he was guilty before he actually got to court to see, like, he was deemed guilty on, they say, oh, the lawyers weren't getting him the information.
But then, so a judge can always make that determination behind closed doors that's still not seeing a jury of your peers.
Tucker Carlson Value00:15:44
Yes.
And then, so they got to court only on the basis of whether or not he was already deemed guilty.
He wasn't allowed to defend himself.
Now is a court case of how guilty is he?
And then even in that court case, I watched the prosecution saying, this is about censorship.
That's what they were saying.
We can't allow this guy to continue what he's doing.
That seems dangerous that there can be a judgment against you before you're even seeing a jury.
What's scary about the Dominion suit and Fox, for whatever reason, didn't even want to pursue it.
So what they did must have been so egregious or there must have been something so bad.
Like, I don't understand how you can just give up on a billion-dollar lawsuit and not even want to fight.
But if Giuliani, the president, the president's lawyer is saying something that's now newsworthy.
So there's a distinction there.
I would think you should be able to say all day, hey, the president's making the following claims.
This is what they're saying.
Now, I understand where it's reckless to go, oh, there is 100% proof, but like, even if you're working off the statements of the president and the press, that's still news.
You're reporting what those people are saying.
Even if Donald Trump got up or Biden got up tomorrow and said, hey, the reason people in the Midwest are having diarrhea is because of aliens, that would be news.
I understand that that's clearly wrong and because of his dementia.
It's still news.
It's what a world leader said.
It's really not that much of a stretch to imagine Biden saying that.
Like at every press conference, you're like, that could be the next thing that comes out of his mouth.
Yeah, well, that's why a lot of these things are so dangerous.
And like, on the Alex Jones example, look, like, just in the same way that it was so obvious that when he got kicked off all the social media companies in like one week, they all got together and banned Alex Jones.
And they said it was over Sandy Hook.
Right.
But it was like years after he had already admitted Sandy Hook is in a conspiracy and moved on.
Now, whatever you think he did in the middle time there, I'm not saying that's not egregious.
Again, you'd have to pull up.
Was it after Trump got elected that he got banned from social?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that was just like internet 2.0.
It was where they realized they had to clean up the internet because an outsider got elected.
Yeah, it was they just wanted to silence Alex Jones, and this was the excuse.
And in a similar way, it just seems very obvious that like this verdict was not about whether these damages were really owed to the parents of Sandy Hook or not.
It was about ruining this guy and trying to like silence him.
So that's the thing that's like so creepy about it, you know?
And I kind of feel a similar way about Dominion and the Fox lawsuit.
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Anyway, Tucker Carlson, you know, he had a great little run there.
And I imagine if he contractually can, that he'll go independent and be really, really huge, be a big voice for years to come.
So, yeah, I'm interested to see where he pops up next and what his next move is.
The Fox News ratings are crashing, dude.
Their first night after he was there, they were at half the ratings of his, and then they've been nosediving since then.
Fox News, 8 p.m. hour, lost to MSNBC and CNN for the first time.
I mean, I don't know.
Like, there might be little examples ever.
Maybe one day someone had a huge story or something like that, but Fox always beats those guys.
And it's pretty crazy that one of the interesting things about Tucker Carlson, which it really does, just it blows me away that anyone could not see something of value in this.
But one of the interesting things, like, Tucker Carlson does not agree with the rest of Fox News.
Tucker Carlson does not agree with the Republican Party.
Tucker Carlson hates the Republican establishment, like viciously hates them, which is good.
And, you know, like Mitch McConnell's wearing a Ukraine flagpin every day and saying that's the most important issue in the world.
And Tucker Carlson's like, you're a goddamn traitor to this country if you think that, you know?
And so it's not as if, like, Fox News can't just replace Tucker Carlson with another Tucker Carlson.
There isn't another one there.
There's just, there's no one else like him on the network.
And so that's kind of interesting, too.
Like, it's not like they have another person who can fill those shoes.
So anyway, it's just a very interesting development.
And of course, also over at CNN, the same day, Don Lemon got fired.
So they got the smartest guy in cable news and the dumbest guy in cable news.
The average IQ in cable news has been unaffected by this decision.
So, yeah, Don Lemon.
Now, just to contrast that, right?
If you take Don Lemon, whoever fills Don Lemon's role will have the exact same political views as Don Lemon.
Guaranteed.
And the insane, like there's, that's just the thing.
Like, there's no one at MSNBC or CNN who's like that.
Who's like, oh, this guy has a radically different political take than everybody else who's here.
There's no one.
They all, on the big issues, they all have the exact same views.
And like, that's, you know, that says it all right there.
But Don Lemon was a wealth of great, you know, fodder for mockery.
So too bad.
Rest in peace.
It's going to be interesting to see if Fox News profits go up despite having fired and ratings going down, which would showcase a, basically a buyout by your military industrial complex and possibly pharmaceutical companies.
You mean because just the ads that they can sell on the show?
I'm not saying that this happened, but I'm saying if you're going to make a Tucker Carlson decision, it could be your Rupert Murdoch.
You just get mad about, hey, what happened with the Dominion lawsuit and you're like, I just lost a $980 million thing because you couldn't play ball and you put him writing this to an executive.
I understand why you might make a rash decision even with your best employee because you're pissed off.
You might also just get a call from the biggest advertiser going, hey, you put someone else in that spot.
Here's what we'll spend with you next year.
I can't prove that that's it.
Well, the advertisers were like, I don't know how it was at the end, but at one point, there were no.
It was nothing but pillows.
Literally.
Literally.
It was nothing but ads for Fox Nation and other Fox News shows and my pillows.
And it's so funny because it's the biggest show in cable news.
And like, I mean, I'm sure they were moving a lot of pillows, you know, but how many my pillows can these fucking 88-year-olds at Fox News buy?
Tucker actually had a younger audience, but you know, like, how many my pillows can you move before, like, they've seen the my pillow ad, dude?
Like, they know.
So it's, uh, and those things last.
Anyway, so it's possible that you're right that advertisers will flood back to that 8 p.m. hour now and there might be, you know, money in that.
It also kind of shows you how much, if you know, if you look at who advertises on the other networks, at least, that's a lot of Boeings and, you know, Pfizers and stuff like that.
And so you imagine like they could kind of create something like that where they go, yeah, get rid of the highest rated guy and you'll actually make money off.
I had a little stretch.
I was hate watching MSNBC with my grandfather.
I visited him during dinner and he'd be watching MSNBC and I would just ruin it for him.
Like he would just be sitting there and I'd be like, I would yell at what was going on.
It was great.
But the ads became so funny to me because there were so many ads for prep and other gay diseases or whatever.
I don't even know.
But like I was like, these commercials are filthier than what they would have allowed on like sitcoms in the 90s.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Like literally Al Bundy couldn't have gotten away with what they get away on these commercials.
Like when I'm spreading my butt cheeks for another guy, I have the confidence of knowing I won't get AIDS or at least not too bad.
You're like, oh, Jesus, man.
When I go to an orgy on the weekend, thanks to whatever, I don't have to worry about herpes all over my face.
It's really like, when I've got two in the pooper and one in the mouth, I can rest easy.
Knowing my chances for AIDS have been greatly reduced.
And then like back to the news desk.
It's like, Jesus, what happened?
What's happening in this country?
Yeah, you know, by the way, one other thing, it's another thing worth bringing up was that one of the things that came out, I think it was in that lawsuit, but that I found so funny because so many people were like using it as like a dunk on Tucker Carlson.
But I just found it so endearing was him just talking about how much he personally hates Donald Trump and that he had said something like he was like, I cannot wait until this guy is gone.
And so we don't have to talk about him anymore.
I just find him to be the most loathsome person, you know?
And people were like, aha, look at that.
He secretly hates Trump.
But then the thing is that you're like, first off, yeah.
Someone, people are so fucking removed.
I think there's like a decent amount of people who don't listen to this show, but have a very strong opinion on me.
You know what I mean?
Like they don't really listen to me, but they've maybe seen a couple clips here or there.
And they get the gist of it.
Yeah, they've seen some tweets.
But they said one guy tweeted at me and he said, he said, oh, wait till Dave finds out about this.
He's not going to love Tucker so much anymore.
As if that would upset me.
Right.
That he personally found Donald Trump to be disgusting.
Like, I find Donald Trump to be the most disgusting human being.
Just, I understand why right-wingers like him because they're like, he seems to be the one guy who's pissing off all the right people.
And at least he doesn't hate my guts.
And okay, fair.
But just on a let, like, he's just the most disgusting fucking person ever.
He's totally just so much vanity and narcissism and ignorance and like fucking, you know, he's just, he's Trump.
And so it's funny what people would be like, oh, look at what Tucker Carlson said.
And you're like, so what?
Your point is that he had a personal feeling about him, but still reported on him?
Like, and didn't allow that to color his reporting?
Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
It's not like he was like dick sucky to Donald Trump.
He was very critical of Trump a lot.
And he, I think Trump like listened to him a lot.
It was also interesting.
He got the interview with Donald Trump after that came out.
So like he's still, you know, like Trump still had kind of enough respect for him and he was still able to do the interview.
But like, I don't know.
I don't find that.
I found that to be totally endearing to him.
That it's like, oh yeah, he gets it.
He gets that this guy's a scumbag, but he also gets how fucked up the whole system is.
Like, all right, right on.
Yeah.
So I literally just, as you're checking the camera, just looked down to see.
I got an alert on my phone and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. just followed me on Twitter.
Hell yeah.
And literally, I was about to start talking about him.
So look at that.
There you go.
I was going to say, speaking of censorship, there's some interesting censorship with our old boy, Robert Kennedy Jr. there.
He got interviewed on ABC.
It is something to watch, by the way.
We're not going to play the whole thing, but I think that one, you know, like one really important takeaway.
If you go watch this interview, it's up online, or part of it is.
But if you go watch this interview, Rob, and I'm sure you kind of noticed this too, from the very beginning, and this is kind of like an interesting thing to just kind of, it kind of reveals how the corporate press operates.
From the very beginning of the interview, there's just like a tone of like, we're trying to get this guy, which they never give to any like of the establishment politicians.
And you realize right away, you're like, oh yeah, you guys can be adversarial when you want to, you know?
Like imagine someone interviewed Biden like this.
Or, you know what I mean?
Like imagine any of them, any senator or congressman, really.
But as soon as he comes up, they're like, we're going to fucking try to make you look as bad as we can, bringing up quotes that his family said about him and shit like that.
It's really inappropriate thing.
This is Aleppo.
Well, right.
It's kind of that type of that type of shit.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, yeah, so this is just a clip from the end of the, not even the end of the interview, I guess.
Or here, just start it where you start it.
We should note that during our conversation, Kennedy made false claims about the COVID-19 vaccines.
Data shows that the COVID-19 vaccines prevented millions of hospitalizations and deaths from the disease.
He also made misleading claims about the relationship between vaccination and autism.
Research shows that vaccines and the ingredients used for the vaccines do not cause autism, including multiple studies involving more than a million children and major medical associations like the American Academy of Pediatrics and the advocacy group Autism Speaks.
We've used our editorial judgment and not including extended portions of that exchange in our interview.
We thank Mr. Kennedy for the conversation.
So isn't that pretty wild, dude?
Like, first off, she just goes, she just goes, we're not going to play what he said here, but I'm going to tell you he made false claims because for her first thing, because the data shows that the COVID vaccine prevented millions of deaths and hospitalizations.
Like, well, okay.
Like, data doesn't just show things like that.
Like, data has to be interpreted.
And he's got a different argument against that.
And by the way, you just know.
You know, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. knows so much more about this vaccine and the data than this broad does.
You know what I mean?
It's that the nerve of them to just say that.
But if you really think about the implications of this, it's like you're literally going, there is a presidential candidate who, by the way, in a recent poll was at 20%.
Kennedy is polling at 20% this early on in the primaries.
And he is making an argument.
And you decide we will not allow you to hear his argument because we decided it's wrong.
Can I tell you something that's wild about that 20% figure?
Yeah.
I bet if you and I walked around right now and we pulled Democrats, the 20% are probably the 20% that are aware of him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just saying, how many Democratic voters, you'd have to be someone in the loop to even know that he's running.
That he's running and that the primaries are starting to heat up and other people have declared.
So if he's currently polling at 20%, that actually strikes me as a incredibly, I mean, compare that to Kamala Harris and some of the established people in the last, what are they, 1, 2%, 3%?
Oh, right now.
And that sounds probably where Bernie Sanders was before he dropped out.
Oh, yeah.
Nikki Haley or someone like that right now is at 1%.
These people have no...
20% actually sounds like a shockingly high number.
Like he's in this.
Like he's in this rate.
Now, okay, that's just one poll.
We don't know exactly where this is going to go.
It's very early on, very hard to predict.
But just for perspective, he is certainly polling better than at this point in the cycle, Barack Obama was in 2008.
Certainly.
So yeah, that's really something.
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But to say he is not allowed to make his argument to you.
He's not allowed to tell you, nope, we decided it's wrong.
And so you can't hear it.
We'll just tell you that he said wrong stuff.
We're just going to tell you he lied to us.
That is dirty, man.
Like, that's a new line than even anything I've seen before.
I've never seen on the news, on the TV, them just go, here's our interview with the presidential candidate.
By the way, you're not allowed to hear this portion of it because all the authorities say it's wrong.
Which clearly means that lady lost.
And he made some very compelling points, which, yeah, that's a scary level of censorship with, hey, this is the guy that's running.
Here's the opinion that he wants to get out to the voters so the voters can make a decision about that information.
We're not going to let you have that information.
Well, and like, as you just kind of got to, like, yes, you're right.
It clearly shows she didn't do good.
But then you're like, no, reporter lady, then it's your job to own him in that moment.
Like, if he says something that's so wrong, then you should just be right on top of it because you know all the details of this, right?
If you know that it's wrong and you know the data proves that millions of people's lives were saved by the vaccine, then you better be prepared to just know so much more than him and win the argument and make him look stupid.
And then the voters go, oh yeah, this guy doesn't know his stuff.
That's the way this is supposed to work.
It's not that you just cut off.
Like for all we know, he just wrecked her in this interview, made her look stupid.
And then she goes, we're not airing that part.
And I'm just going to tell you, he said a bunch of stuff that's wrong.
That's nuts, man.
Freaking nuts that that can even happen.
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The more time that goes on, the more I do find Robert Kennedy Jr. to be a very interesting candidate.
One of the things that's interesting is, so there's, I saw someone showed me a video of him from years ago where he was very bad on climate change stuff.
And he actually even said once that like climate change deniers like and the Koch brothers or something like that, that it should be criminal for them to deny it.
You know, some stuff that was really bad.
And so he was on with, what's her name?
Kim Iverson.
And he was on with her and she asked him about climate change.
And I was really bracing myself for the response to be very bad.
But this is what he said.
There's a lot of questions about climate change.
And what we've seen around the world is that many of the climate change policies that are enacted by certain countries like the Netherlands or in very Upper Sri Lanka, we see that it crushes the small farmers, that they cannot keep up with the big farms.
They don't have enough land in order to do some of the more natural ways to fertilize the land.
And so it is some of these policies are really crushing the small farms.
Where do you stand on climate policies that are being enacted right now?
There is a difference between environmentalism and climate change.
Where do you stand on all of that?
And what types of policies do you support?
Climate, the climate, climate issues and pollution issues are being exploited by the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates and all of these big mega billionaires, the same way that COVID was exploited, to use it as an excuse to clamp down top-down totalitarian controls on society and to and then to give us engineering solutions.
And if you look closely, as it turns out, the guys who are promoting those engineering solutions are the people who own the IPs, the patents for those solutions.
It's a way, you know, it's being used.
They've given climate chaos a bad name, you know, because people now see that it's just another crisis that's being used to strip mine the wealth of the poor and to, you know, to enrich billionaires.
And, you know, I, for 40 years, have had the same policy on climate and engineering.
You can go check my speeches from the 1980s.
And I've said the most important solution for environmental issues, not top-down controls, is free market capitalism.
Isn't that pretty incredible?
Like, I just, look, I'm just saying, I did not expect something like that to come out of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s mouth.
And I like him on a lot of other issues, but I'd kind of, but, you know, he's a Democrat.
He's a Kennedy.
He's not going to say that in a true free market, you can only get rich by making everybody else rich too.
And that actually the solution to climate change is free market capitalism.
Like, that's the type of stuff that'll give guys like me and you bonors.
Well, these are the moments I love, even though I think on the second part, he's kind of trailing into nonsense a little bit.
Yeah, it wasn't perfect.
In the first part, though, to me, this is the most important story to educate people on, which is the powers that be are lying to you about this global warming shenanigans because they want to rob you of their wealth.
I've said it before.
Elites don't want to compete.
It's a very simple storyline.
Great, great tagline.
And that is what's going on.
You got the world powers.
These people do not want to compete in the market.
They don't want to have to create value.
So they're making up this fucking shenanigans that the free market, if it was true and it was catastrophic, the greatest solutions would be found in the technological developments in the free market.
And it's a storyline that for some reason, even though like leftists, I guess, have so much fear for corporations, they can't see that government's actually the tool of the corporations.
Right.
They just, they can't see it.
And so when you actually have people on the left who are willing to, you know, expose this storyline, this is like the most important education for people to get.
Like if there was one thing, well, actually, if there was one thing, it's, hey, we got to defend free speech.
If it was the next thing, it's, hey, corporations are lying to you about creating non-competitive market practices for their own profits and global warming fits that narrative.
And then if you wanted to go to a third one, to me, it would be the Fed.
And then a fourth one, it would be war.
Why war comes forth?
Because you get rid of the Fed, you can't pay for the wars anyways.
Sure.
Okay.
So I get that.
You know, order aside, those are the big ones.
You know what I mean?
And there is something about this argument coming from Robert Kennedy Jr. that is the most powerful source.
Like, there's something where no matter how much me and you argue about this, we're still like, yeah, but you're those libertarians.
Like, that's what you would say, you know?
Like, in the same way that, like, this is why Ron Paul being against the wars was so powerful.
Because if some like hippie who's smoking weed in a commune is like, we shouldn't fight war, man.
We should all just get along and have peace.
It's just like, yeah, but that's what you would say.
You know what I mean?
Whereas when there's Texas Republican, like the most personally conservative person who's like, I've been married to my wife for 53 years and we have seven kids and I'm a country doctor and I'm telling you I'm completely against the wars.
It kind of like has this very, it's a very powerful thing.
It lets you know that like, you know, as Scott Horton always said, if you like your identity, you can keep it.
You know, like that was kind of the message there.
And there's something about Robert Kennedy Jr., who has been a decades-long Democrat environmentalist for him to put this message out there that this whole climate change thing is a scheme.
This is a UN Davos Klaus Schwab scheme to rob from regular people for them.
This is a power grab.
This is not, that is so important, man, if he can get that message out there.
And I wonder, you know, I never know.
With politicians, even though he's not exactly like a career politician, but he's from a political family and he's running for president.
I'm always a little bit skeptical.
It's like, you know, he says there, I've been on record since the 80s saying this.
I don't know if that's true.
Maybe he's telling the truth.
I don't know.
But I'm always a little bit skeptical of like, well, is this just like, look, if your whole campaign is running against the whole COVID thing, you can't really be on the side of Davos when it comes to climate change.
You kind of have to be against that whole.
That's your lane that you're filling.
But maybe it is possible that he's just really woken up to this shit and how fucked up the whole thing is.
And if that's the case, man, he could, like when you say this is the most important thing to like educate people on, that's right.
And he could be the guy to do it on such a huge level where it's like, no, this doesn't have to be a like, like, this doesn't have to be a like, oh, you care about the environment and therefore you have to be on board with this.
It's like, no, no, we can all care about the environment and still recognize that this is all a scam.
Like they're stealing from you.
And that's kind of like the, you know, what is the heart of his campaign, which is really true.
I mean, again, I also, I don't completely agree with him.
When he says we, you know, we don't have free market capitalism.
We have crony capitalism.
It's like, that's right.
And when he says we have socialism for the rich, that's right.
When he says we have a barbaric capitalism for the poor, that's not exactly true.
I mean, there is socialism for the poor in this country.
It sucks, but socialism tends to suck.
Like that's, yes, that's, it's not like anyone in the Soviet Union fucking was like, this is such a great safety net we have here.
You know, yeah, it sucks for the poor.
That's what it is.
But it's more that like there's like cushy socialism for the rich, lousy socialism for the poor, and feudalism for the rest of us, where it's not capitalism.
It's not just like like it almost makes it sound like it's like, oh, okay, so we have like safety nets for the rich and the poor, but everybody else in the middle, it's just, you know, you eat what you kill.
That'd be one thing, but it's actually like, no, you have to pay for the socialism of the poor and the rich.
It's a feudalist system where like basically you can work the land, but it's owned by the billionaires, you know?
Like you could fucking buy a house, but it's owned by the bank and then it's owned by your fucking your state government because you don't pay those fucking property taxes.
They take it.
So that's not really you owning shit, is it?
You know, it's more like that type of deal.
But he's still so close to being on to something when he says that.
Like, yeah, that's the whole story, that there's a merger between big business and big government and they're screwing you over at every turn.
The whole system is completely corrupt.
And we don't have free markets.
We have captured markets.
And we have markets where the people at the very top have a complete unfair advantage and they rip everybody else off.
I'm like, God damn, man.
Like, if this was just, if we all should be so happy that he's running for president.
The Democratic primary was going to be Marion Williamson versus Joe Biden.
She's like the energy lady who got laughed off the last time.
Yeah.
How is she, what did she have some spectacular four years that she accomplished a lot of things?
I think she's rich.
I think she's real rich.
What did she, she like wrote books or something?
I don't know what her deal is, but I think she's got a lot of money.
So she just showed up.
I have the crystals.
Yeah, literally, she's crystal lady.
I will get into the White House and I will purify it.
She's like, yeah, lady, we were talking about healthcare.
You're talking about chakras.
Like, what the fuck happened here?
You just don't understand the vibrations.
She's just goofy and like not at all serious and doesn't, you know, doesn't know what she's talking about.
She doesn't seem like a horrible person.
Like, she's not like a blood-soaked monster like these other politicians, but she's just not at all bringing anything to the table.
And Biden is Biden, you know, enough said.
But now it's like, oh, we have this guy in there too.
Oh, that's so much better.
So much better than what we would have had without him.
So like I said, I've always, I'm hoping a lot of people, a lot more good people.
I hope Jimmy Dore fucking who was floating around running.
I hope he runs.
I hope more people, you know, I hope the libertarians have an unbelievable candidate running.
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I hope everybody, like, I just want more and more of that.
And even like, I'm glad that what's that guy's name?
Was the Indian dude who maybe got done?
Fivek Ramaswamy.
Yes, I'm glad enough.
I'm not sure if it's pronounced that way.
Yeah, almost certainly not.
That's on him.
Come up with an easier name.
You're running for president.
Yeah, can't you do that old thing?
Remember like when Asians used to come to the country and like they would just, they would just call themselves like Chad.
Yeah.
Keep it simple.
Come on.
Like do it the way when you call up technical support.
This is Michael.
Yeah.
You ain't Michael, but I appreciate that.
Thank you, Michael.
Now let's get back.
Let's get down to business.
I'm trying to masturbate.
You listening to my calls, Dave.
Michael, I've been trying to masturbate here for 20 minutes and I just cannot get this together.
But so, right, so I'm glad that guy's running.
I'm glad, like, just, yeah, okay, he's got some issues he's really good on to insert into the conversation.
So more, good.
But this one just seems like it really has potential.
And so I'm rooting for him.
I'm rooting for him.
I'm going to try to get him on the podcast.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
We're at the 54-minute marker.
We got one more topic, which is the CNN video explaining where we can save that for the next in-studio.
No, let's just do that real quick and then we'll call it a show after that.
This is the CNN video.
This is so great.
CNN educating its viewers on the importance of borrowing more money.
Every day, the U.S. draws closer to the so-called X date when it runs out of money to pay all the bills.
The debt ceiling of $31.4 trillion was hit January 19th.
Unable to borrow more money, the Treasury Department is using so-called extraordinary measures, moving money around, delaying some investments to make sure everything is paid.
And sometime soon, as quickly as early June, the accounting tricks run out and the U.S. risks defaulting on its obligations.
Now, assuming interest payments get top priority, every family would face cuts.
Social Security payments could be delayed.
Veterans could receive an IOU instead of benefits.
Federal employees could be furloughed.
And it would be catastrophic for financial markets, where the creditworthiness of the United States is the cornerstone of the global financial system.
A default on the debt would trigger market crashes that would crush business and consumer confidence, that could further shock the financial system and throw the economy into a recession.
Treasuries could tank, interest rates spike, the dollar sink, and global economies reel.
That is the reality Congress is sleepwalking toward unless it raises the debt ceiling.
Now, Congress has raised the limit 78 times since 1960, 49 times under Republican presidents, 29 times under Democrats.
But in recent years, it has become a political football in a game where the American people are the losing team.
Dude, it's so funny.
It's so funny.
It's like, imagine saying that and not even just thinking about what you're saying.
This goes, we've done this so many times.
We keep getting faced with this crisis and we always agree to borrow more money.
And now we're in a situation where if we don't borrow more money, everything will fall apart.
Like, imagine just sitting there and describing a Ponzi scheme and not even realizing that.
You're like, if we don't find a new investor, this whole thing could go to zero.
There's nothing there, Rob, except borrowing more money.
So the obvious answer here is we have to find a new investor.
Like, whew.
It's so incredible to lay out all the consequences of the system without going, hey, we got to correct some of these things because we're constantly playing with doom and failure.
At some point in time, you're not going to be able to endlessly print.
You might lose your dollar reserve.
Like, it's not endless.
It's that great line from Zero Hedge, which is, what is it, the timeline for any empire, like over a long enough horizon goes to zero?
What's the line?
Something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, such a great, which is so true to the theme of the website, which is also why that website can be dangerous to read every day because 10 years ago, you would have gone off the grid and got silver.
Oh, you'd probably be better off today if you had.
Yeah.
So, you know, whatever.
But with all that, she's literally describing all the reasons why we should be having a serious conversation about actually trying to correct the problem.
Like going, all right, guys, it's time we have to raise the debt limit because otherwise it signals this to the financial markets.
But we've already done this 70 times.
And here's the catastrophic problems of existing like this and what we're playing with.
Yeah, there's not even a thought of like, and what's the plan so that we don't just hit it again?
Because all you're advocating for is we do this again next year.
That's what it is.
We'll raise the debt limit and then what?
We'll hit it very soon.
So, okay.
So, how does that help anything?
It's literally on the level of if you're like, if you were like, hey, baby, we have all these bills to pay, so we have to borrow more money.
And you're like, well, what's the problem with that?
It's like, because then you just have another bill.
Right.
Now your bill is the money you borrowed.
So you still haven't paid your bills.
You just fucking spent someone else's money on your bill and now you're faced with this bill.
It's insanity.
And like, again, yeah, just to go over this whole thing of how much everything falls apart if we don't just borrow money.
It's like, well, it sounds like to any sane person, it sounds like you're living above your means and you need to stop.
As Ron Paul used to always say, when you live above your means, you're destined to live beneath your means.
That's the whole deal right here.
Anyway, just crazy.
It's crazy to watch them talk like that.
Yeah, it's horrible.
Look at all the problems that are made by all the spending we've done on things that we don't have.
And so what we need to do is spend even more of the money we don't have.
Unbelievable.
There's CNN for you.
Well, you know, or CNN business, whatever it is.
Even without Don Lemon, they're chugging along.
All right.
All right.
That's it for this show.
And then we're going to go do a live pod at the Chicago Zane's tonight.