Dave Smith and Robbie the Fire Bernstein dissect Dr. Anthony Fauci's alleged narrative shift, citing his admission that shortened isolation periods serve economic needs over science and his claim that vaccinated individuals transmit virus as effectively as unvaccinated ones. They critique the FDA's exclusion of alternatives like Covaxin, highlight hospitalization data showing many children are admitted for non-COVID reasons, and condemn tech censorship targeting Joe Rogan and Congresswoman Green. Ultimately, the hosts argue this suppression creates a poisoned society, prompting their move to independent platforms to foster open debate against government overreach and propaganda. [Automatically generated summary]
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Roll Back The State00:14:53
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Oh, man.
First episode of the new year.
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It is a new year.
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It's, you know, doesn't feel that different yet.
Feels like everything's still pretty crazy.
But I'm excited for this year.
2021 was the best year in this show's history by far.
And I think 2022, we're going to do some amazing things.
So I'm really looking forward to that and really looking forward to talking with you today.
And of course, looking forward to getting back out on the road, which we're doing this year.
We will be in Boston on the 13th and the 14th at the White Bull Tavern Comedy Club.
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Fuck yeah, man.
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Yeah, it ended up working out to be perfect fucking timing.
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You will not be, we're not setting up any gigs where you're going to have to show vaccination records.
We will not be doing any show me your papers gigs.
So anything that we let you know about going forward, just take that as a given.
I promise you, that won't be the situation, or we won't be doing a show there.
So also after that, I'll be going over to Arizona right from Boston.
The next day, the 15th and 16th, I'll be at the Arizona State LP convention.
And I'm doing a bunch more of the state LP conventions.
Me and you will both be in Connecticut at the end of the month on the 29th, I believe that is, doing like an after-party thing there.
We'll do some comedy and everyone will be hanging out.
Angela McArdle, Scott Horton will be there with us as well.
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It's convention season, and I'm real excited for what the LP is going to do over the next few months.
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All right.
So let's jump into today's show.
Rob, as we start this new year, is it just me?
Tell me if it's just me.
Or does it seem like something is really changing in the narrative of the COVID regime?
Tauci's becoming super chill.
He's trying to be like, hey, guys, no one's going to die of this.
Don't worry.
It's all good.
I'm sorry, but there's this weird thing.
Now, I've been talking about this for weeks.
And me and you have spent a bit of time on this.
I saw him smoking a fat blump with threads, just being like, chill, everybody.
Hey, who cares about the COVID mod?
Like, Dr. Fauci, and he's like, well, what I'm trying to say is that, yeah, who cares about COVID, man?
So, look, I've been saying this for a while now, basically since the Omicron variant has come out, that there's never been kind of like a bigger gap between what's happening and the propaganda.
And, okay, there's been a big gap between what's happening and the propaganda, but at least at the beginning of COVID, we didn't exactly know.
So, the propaganda could be at 11, and you're like, where is this thing really?
And then you're like, I don't know, maybe it's a nine, maybe it's an eight.
We don't exactly know.
And the more that things kind of like calm down with COVID, the more the gap widened.
But with the Omicron variant, it's just so overwhelmingly clear that this is like the most contagious and apparently the least deadly and clearly the most resistant to the vaccine.
I don't think there's anyone who could really argue with any of that, right?
And so, what's the response?
Insane vaccine mandates ramping up.
And just there's something that I find, okay, there's something dangerous about that, but there's also something encouraging about the reality and the propaganda having a lot more distance between it.
You know what I mean?
Because it's like, okay, this has got to radicalize some people.
This has got to wake some people up.
So, Fauci has kind of casually changed his tune on several, I think, very important things.
And this has all been within the last week.
And I, I don't know, I find this interesting.
So, let's let's let's go to the first video.
We've got a few Fauci videos.
Let's go to the first video and let's take a look at what we see here.
Dr. Anthony Fauci.
Dr. Fauci, thank you so much for being here.
I want to get right to it.
With an average of three Americans testing positive every second, was this really the time to shorten the CDC guidelines for some Americans?
Well, you don't want to confuse what the rationale for that was.
The shortening of the period of isolation for an infected asymptomatic person was in order to be able to get people back to the workplace, particularly when you're talking about the critical jobs that are necessary for the functioning of society.
When you have an overwhelming number of infections that we're seeing right now and that we likely will see accelerate in the next couple of months, there's a risk of really being able to not function well in society for critical positions and critical jobs.
The alternative would be something where was this guy at the beginning of the campaign?
Well, that's why I mean, so let's this is the thing, right?
I'm sorry, I'm not like making more of this than is there, but for Fauci to admit finally, after all this time, like it's the first time that he's ever, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, if anyone else can find me video or transcript or anything like that, but I've never even heard him even acknowledge the cost-benefit.
You know, no, it's usually I'm making a health recommendation as a health official, and I'm not concerned with this other data points.
But I just, I can't stress enough.
It is really something for Fauci to say that if anyone's not following what's happened here, that the CDC said that if you test positive, but you're asymptomatic, instead of the 10-day quarantine, you only have to quarantine for five days.
They decided that.
Now, the woman asks Fauci, why are we doing this right now when we have the most contagious variant?
And he basically says, without saying it, that there's no scientific justification.
It's just that 10 days could fuck everything up.
That's basically what he's saying.
We need people to work.
We need people to get back to work.
We got a country to run.
For Fauci to say that an extra five days could have these negative effects.
Like, holy shit.
That is really something for him to acknowledge that.
And of course, you know, whatever.
I mean, the implication is so obvious there.
And of course, you don't expect him to be hammered for this in any of the corporate press, you know, outlets.
But the idea that you're like, wait a minute.
So it could be disastrous for people who are asymptomatic yet positive to be home for another five days.
Well, what about everyone who you deem to be non-essential being home indefinitely?
What did that do?
I mean, let's get clear here.
You were insisting on essentially quarantining for non-infected asymptomatic people, right?
For quite a while.
So if this is not a repudiation of lockdowns, I don't know what would be.
He's actually saying that, yeah, you know what?
Even if you're testing positive, we can only keep you at home for so long before like, shit, this might have some negative effects.
Now, what he's talking about is strictly economic.
But of course, I think that we would argue that really the separation between economic and the rest of life is kind of artificial.
Like it's not as if like economics are a huge part of society, but they're not everything.
And, you know, you like lose.
People don't lose their businesses and then have their health improved.
Right.
They don't exactly improved or their life improved or their, yeah, any of that.
Exactly.
Like, whew, it's just, it's really just startling to see him just kind of casually throw that out there.
Like after all this, like, oh, yeah, it turns out there is like, there's, there's costs to keeping people at home.
While we've been screaming about this for nearly two years now, he's just the guy who pretended that you, you couldn't even be concerned with any of that stuff.
And it was just about, you know, reducing the spread of the virus.
And that's the only thing in life that mattered.
All of a sudden just casually threw out, oh, yeah, we changed these numbers.
It's not based on any science.
It's just because of this obvious concern that I've been pretending doesn't exist since March of 2020.
The five days thing also doesn't make sense in that now they're starting to say that you're most contagious, like the two days before you have symptoms and then while you have symptoms.
And I guess for three, like that's where the five days kind of comes from.
But I thought the science, the science has never been clear to me about asymptomatic spread.
So if you're, if they're now saying that you're contagious for two days before you become symptomatics, now they're saying that there is a lot of, I guess, non-symptomatic, like, but I don't know.
I've yet to get away from that.
Well, there's a story on that.
There seems to be a difference between pre-symptomatic spread and asymptomatic spread.
So people who never develop symptoms, there seems to be very little evidence that they spread it.
But the people who do develop symptoms, there seems to be evidence that they spread it before they develop.
But when you're pre-symptomatic, isn't the term for that asymptomatic because you're not showing symptoms?
I suppose at the time, but you become symptomatic ultimately.
So retroactively that you'ren't actually an asymptomatic person.
You were symptomatic.
Yeah, essentially, I think that's what the evidence seems to suggest.
The other thing, and this is a little bit contrary to what we had said in the last episode, and even at the top of this episode, but there was the CDC changed the figures for how many people getting sick at the moment is Omnicron versus Delta.
And so it's interesting, no matter what, they're caught in a lie.
Like it doesn't matter.
They're not giving us clear data.
Omnicron seems to be good because it seems like everyone's going to get the Omicron thing.
There's no escaping it and you're not going to get all that sick.
At the moment, though, there's still a lot of people who are getting sick of Delta.
Now, what's interesting is so when Fauci comes with this new recommendation of, hey, we're going with five days instead of 10 days, it's not because, hey, everyone's getting sick of Omnicron.
And so there's like this new thing and it's not as deadly or people aren't getting sick as long.
He's just changing the guidance and he's changing the guidance because their strategy doesn't work.
There's too many people who are vaccinated and getting sick that like they just have to, like they're acknowledging they just have to move on.
Yes, it's the first of the acknowledgement that we just have to move on is that they realize that, look, if there is a variant out there that basically everyone's going to get and there's no, we can't have everyone have to be quarantined.
Like it just can't work.
And this is kind of like they're just through the forces of nature coming back to what we've been realizing for almost two years now, which is that this is not workable.
By the way, he should almost be getting yelled at for the wait.
So you're saying people should just get sick?
Wait, are you trying to say that we should just go with natural immunity?
Are you trying to say that people should die?
These are things that they yelled at you for a year ago.
And now we should be going back.
Look, that's exactly what we're doing.
And look how much economic growth you cost us by not listening to us a year ago.
Yeah.
Like if we're just going to do this now, why this should be...
Then you were wrong for a whole year.
You were wrong for an entire year.
Or you should still be yelling at.
You should be saying that it's inexcusable for anyone to die of this thing at any economic cost.
And once you accept, hey, that's not really an option, then everyone who is saying they should all lose their job.
Everyone who is saying, how can you even consider that we should just be going about our lives?
Those people should no longer have jobs.
Yep.
Because they're certifiably wrong.
There you go.
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All right, let's play a little bit more from this.
It would be something that nobody wants, and that's to shut down the country completely.
Really?
No one wants that.
Are taking to social media saying that these guidelines are based on idealistic expectations.
I mean, we know mass compliance is low in some parts of the country.
So is it a mistake to not require people to get tested before they go back out into public if they do test positive?
Well, it depends on what you want the test to mean.
The actual antigen tests that we're talking about do not have any real predictive value as to the transmissibility when you're six, seven, eight, nine, 10 days into an infection.
These tests are good for surveillance to determine who is in.
He paused again.
Yes, I think we're going to have to.
You know what that also means is that you never know.
Like if you're kind of asymptomatic, you never know where you are.
Like you could be four days into your illness or nine days into your illness or 12 days into your illness, right?
So if for some reason you're taking a test and you're asymptomatic and you pop positive, then you shouldn't be quarantining at all because like he said, if it's day eight or nine, there's zero indicators.
So why are we going to make you like for the next five days?
In other words, the rule should actually be if you're not symptomatic, even if you test positive, no one should have to quarantine, or I guess you should have to quarantine for two days to see if you get symptoms, in which case that was like prior to you showing symptoms.
However, I'm going to guess from my own experience with testing, if you do have COVID and you're getting symptoms in two days, you're not popping positive before you see those symptoms.
Yeah.
I mean, I've, I, I know from experience that I've had, you know, uh, uh, friends of mine who have gotten COVID and been like, yeah, you know, like people have been explaining to me like, you know, oh, I have all these symptoms, blah, blah, blah.
I was around someone who was positive, but I'm testing negative.
And you're like, well, look, you clearly have COVID.
Like, I don't know what.
I even had one friend who told me, I was exposed to someone who I know had COVID.
I've been sick for four days and I lost my sense of taste and smell, but I'm testing negative.
And I was like, dude, you're positive.
Like, there's no question here.
You have COVID.
And then two days later, he tested positive for COVID.
But anyway, the thing that's just amazing now is now it's like, oh, all of a sudden now, we'll acknowledge that the tests aren't accurate.
This is really something.
It's really something to all of a sudden be like, well, look, I mean, yeah, we don't know for sure that you can't be spreading it to other people.
But, you know, we just can't have people stay at home.
We can't put all our value in these tests.
Think about this right now.
Okay.
There's actually three major things that Fauci is on record here admitting.
Okay.
And, you know, I know these people, when you come out with this, I see people like I had this tweet that like exploded about this stuff.
And people are like, well, it's a dynamic situation that's always evolving and all this.
And you're like, yeah, but okay.
But if I was right about it previously, then you can't really tell me that, oh, it's because it's dynamic and evolving.
It's like, no, I like anyone paying attention saw this shit.
And for Fauci to admit, number one, that there are major costs to just keeping everyone at home that might not be worth it.
In other words, he's opening Pandora's box to saying even something that we know might reduce the spread of the virus might not be worth it.
Something might be more important than just less COVID transmissibility, transmission, right?
Like once you open that Pandora's box, ooh, you got a tough battle on your hand.
It sounds to me like you got a herd immunity strategy then.
Well, but look, even short of that being your complete strategy, once you accept the fact that some sacrifices may not be worth it to contain COVID, well, then you got to start asking yourself, well, what?
At what level do we draw that?
And maybe sacrificing all of Western civilization over the last two years has not been worth it for whatever degree it's contained COVID, which seems to be none.
So anyway, so that's number one, admitting that there's a cost-benefit analysis.
Number two is admitting that the tests are like unreliable, you know, and that this is just, yeah, you might test positive, you might not test positive, but like, that doesn't really tell you anything about how much you're going to be out there spreading this virus.
We don't really know what that means.
It's like, yeah, okay, that is exactly right.
That is exactly right.
And I'm glad you're finally acknowledging that.
And of course, the other major admission here in all of this, that the changes in these guidelines are not based off science, which seems to be pretty big.
I mean, she says, oh, we know there are areas in the country that are like, you know, like not high on mass compliance or anything like that, but they're not saying that those areas need to stick with the same things and other areas don't.
There's no evidence of that.
There's no argument for that.
It's just like, yeah, we thought about it and we think that, you know, it just, it might be too bad.
No one wants to see everything shut down.
No, of course not.
No one in the COVID regime wants to see things shut down.
All right.
I think there's one more admission here, which seems to be that vaccinated or not vaccinated, you seem to transmit the same.
This is the first time he's not making a rule specifically for vaccinated individuals that they only have to quarantine for five days.
Yeah.
When he's talking about the transmissibility of people who have been vaccinated.
So it's interesting that this is just one blanket rule.
That is a fair point.
All right, let's keep going.
It's not, but they were never meant to determine the level to which someone is transmissible to someone else.
And I think that's one of the misunderstandings that the director of the CDC tried to explain today at the press conference.
Can you pause again?
By the private sector, too.
It comes back to if the tests won't tell you the transmissibility.
So we basically just need a rule of if you're sick, stay home.
That's it.
It boiled the entire fucking pandemic.
It boiled down to one simple rule.
If you're sick, just stay home.
Which we've also been saying for quite a while.
Don't go sneeze on people.
If there was one common sense thing, which of course you can't enforce by law and it never should be attempted to be.
But you can shave the fuck out of people.
Yes.
If there's one common sense thing that we could learn from all of this, it's like, eh, if you're sick, just stay home.
Don't try to power through it.
No one's going to be mad at you.
No one's going to be, people will be kind of mad at you if you come in and you're sick.
Just don't don't come in if you're sick.
That's it.
Stay home if you're sick.
Yep.
That's the most common sense, basic thing.
All right, let's keep going.
To make some of these changes, we heard from the CEO of Delta writing a letter calling for a shorter isolation period, warning that 10 days would significantly impact operations.
So bottom line here, are these new guidelines motivated by science or by business?
Well, as I just mentioned, the scientific basis is what we just mentioned.
You can get people safely out.
That's like the Austin Powers allow myself to introduce myself.
Yeah.
As I said, I just told you.
No, you didn't.
No, you didn't.
You said that it would be devastating for society.
There wasn't a scientific basis for that.
And if we're just following, you know, this idea that, well, anything to mitigate the virus or if it saves one life or any of this, then no, keep quarantining for 10 days.
Make it 15 days.
This is all so silly.
It's also like for anyone paying attention, you can see right through this shit.
All right, let's play in a five-day period, so long as they wear a mask, if they are without symptoms.
That is the science.
The impact of that is to try and not be in a situation where we essentially have to shut down the entire country.
This was not done because of any statement by any CEO of any company.
I want to turn to testing.
The Biden administration, we know, is preparing to ship out 500 million rapid tests to Americans at home, despite these new FDA warnings about their sensitivity.
So, should antigen tests be avoided when possible?
Should Americans trust these tests?
There is always a very important place for antigen tests.
They are never have been 100% sensitive.
If you want to definitively find out if someone is infected, for example, if someone has symptoms and has reason to believe they're infected, the test to use is a PCR test, which has a high degree of sensitivity and specificity.
If you want to do surveillance in which you're going to be repeating a test more than once, the antigen test is a good way to do that.
Against Omicron, the sensitivity is somewhat diminished, but not enough to make the tests not useful.
They are still useful under the circumstances of broad surveillance to see if a person or a group is infected.
Last question here: Do you think it's too early for some to be breathing a sigh of relief about Omicron being potentially less severe?
Yes, I think it would be too premature.
We are heartened by the fact that from the South African data, the data from the UK, and the accumulating data in the United States, that it looks like it is less severe.
It's much more transmissible, which is something you need to take seriously, because even though you may have less degree of severity, the sheer volume of new infections might obviate that advantage of it being less severe.
So, even though we're heartened by that, I don't think we should be declaring any kind of a victory that we have a less severe virus.
We've got to make sure we take it very seriously as we do with any variables.
All right, so we can stop that right there.
So, then the takeaway from all of this, right, is that it's almost like they're allergic to ever just saying, like, oh, yeah, no, this is good.
Things aren't so bad.
It's like, well, I mean, all of the data indicates that this is less severe, but we really can't know.
But we really can't.
They never seem to feel that way whenever they're trying to stoke fear.
They never go, well, you know, there's some data that looks bad, but hey, let's not be too afraid of this thing.
Wouldn't it be great if he was like, listen, yes, it was less severe in South Africa, but they don't have millions of people with some new mRNA vaccine in them.
So, you know, we can't be sure.
We've got millions of people with some new thing in them.
So we don't really know.
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Well, right.
I mean, you would think, I mean, look, you make a really good point that if you, you know, comedically, but if you agree, if you believe that the vaccines help you with this new variant, well, we're way more vaccinated than South Africa is, right?
So, oh, the data from there says it's not that severe.
Oh, okay.
We're going to be in way better shape.
You don't seem that confident all of a sudden.
I mean, which is it?
It's one or the other, right?
Okay.
That was one of the major admissions that Fauci had in the last week, or a couple of the major admissions.
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Here was another one.
Let's go to the other video.
This was one that I found very interesting too.
But the other important thing is that if you look at the children who are hospitalized, many of them are hospitalized with COVID as opposed to because of COVID.
And what we mean by that, if a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for COVID and they get counted as a COVID hospitalized individual, when in fact they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that.
So it's over counting the number of children who are, quote, hospitalized with COVID as opposed to because of COVID.
Okay.
Now, again, I'm sorry, but like, well, how is it, right?
Because I'll see so many people and so many people on Twitter will give me shit because I tweet about the COVID regime just non-stop.
And I've been talking about it since March of 2020 on the podcast, on social media, just non-stop.
Because, you know, obviously, what the hell else is more important than if you're in the middle of your society, and this is why I find some libertarians just so goddamn goofy when like, you know, this is like what me and Tom Woods always joke about, but like when you'll be in the middle of like your society being transformed and every societal norm being turned upside down, this totalitarianism just sweeping across the Western world.
And you have some libertarians, God bless their autistic hearts out there.
And they're like, I want to talk about civil asset forfeiture.
You're like, all right.
Long time.
Yeah, like, I'm with you.
It's really bad.
But like, come on, you got to focus your energy on this.
Like, this is the clear and present threat in front of us.
But so many people will just be like, oh, yeah, Dave, you think you know better than like professional epidemiologists?
Or you think you know better than this scientist or this guy.
that it's like, okay, but here's your head guy telling you now what we've been telling you for quite some time.
So it's not that we know better.
It's that we're telling you the truth and they are not.
So finally, Fauci admitted the truth, except there's one little problem.
He admitted it in regards to children being hospitalized with Omicron, but it's true for all of COVID.
And in fact, as we broke down on this, this show, there was a huge study out of the VA that basically they found that 50% of all, this is before Delta.
This was just from the alpha and the first few variants of COVID before even Delta.
They found 50%, 50% of the, or something damn near close to that, of the people hospitalized had mild or no symptoms and they were not hospitalized for COVID.
Now, this is a little bit of extrapolation from that data, but the VA study, this was a big study, and it was of VA hospitals, right?
Now, VA hospitals have no children and they are primarily men.
Now, that is the demographic.
If you're saying men, women, and children, the demographic most likely to be sick from COVID is men.
Okay.
So if you're extrapolating that out and then going to apply it to women and particularly children, you'd assume the numbers would be more that are mild or asymptomatic.
And then if you're going to apply that to Omnicron, well, okay, so you're talking about children with the least deadly, least severe variant.
You'd have to assume that these numbers would be higher.
At least all other things equal, you'd have to assume that, right?
So this is like, it's just crazy that after all of this time, Fauci will get on television and say this when we've been telling you this is the truth the whole fucking time.
And I'll tell you, Rob, I was literally just arguing with people on Twitter two days before this happened, before he said this.
I was arguing with people on Twitter and I was giving them shit because one of them was like had some very minor position in the LP.
He was like a county chair in the LP, but he was arguing with me on Twitter, you know, and he has in his name like county LP chair.
And I was saying something about how the hospitalizations, you know, like basically being bullshit numbers.
Well, I think actually what happened was I tweeted, it was before we did the show on the LA Times piece.
And I said, hey, who has some good data on these kids being hospitalized?
Like what percentage of them are serious cases?
Is there any data like that out there?
And he tweets back at me.
He goes, I think if you're hospitalized, it's pretty serious.
Now, I will give a pass to a regular person for feeling that way.
But it's like, motherfucker, if you're going to have like LP, even if it's just county chair in your name, then don't speak on things you do not understand.
Okay.
And so I sort of said something like that to him.
I go, actually, you know, in as nice a way as I could, actually, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Like, that's not true.
Now, I understand to a regular person, it does sound that way because that's how they intentionally manipulate the way they present this data.
Like, yeah, if you're not thinking it through, you just go, well, hospitalize a COVID hospitalization.
Obviously, we're all thinking, you're so sick that you had to be hospitalized.
That's pretty bad.
Like you got to be, you know, we've all had bad colds and bad flus and didn't didn't get hospitalized.
So if someone's hospitalized with something, that means it's really, really bad.
But no, that's not how they actually count this data.
The way they count it is if you test positive and you're in the hospital.
It's a very different thing.
And isn't it great to have the guy in charge and not ask him, well, why would you do it that way?
I don't understand.
If you were trying to keep records to figure out how deadly something is and how many people are in the hospital, why would you count both?
You're like, so now this is a completely meaningless statistic.
Right.
Like, why wouldn't you give us the point of keeping these statistics is to try to like ascertain information.
Why not just keep good records?
It sounds like you're already keeping records and it sounds like you know the error with doing it this way.
Why not do it that way?
I almost feel bad for these people I was arguing with because like they just Fauci just makes them look like such assholes by two days later coming out.
Like Fauci of all people comes out and goes, yeah, Dave was right.
What was the question?
I mean, I think I send you, so you probably don't, what was the question that Fauci was asked that he's completely, because usually it would be, this is usually when he goes, yes, it's very serious.
Kids are ending up in the hospital.
That's why we need even more people to stay home and we need you to boost your kids and for you to take a booster.
This is, why isn't he selling the vaccine anymore?
This is usually what's so interesting about this, Rob.
This is what's so interesting about, and this, this is what I said for a while that, look, I love doing this show with you, brother.
And I love fucking patting ourselves on the back.
And I love that there are lots of people who we've woken up and, you know, but all of our arguments, all of Tom Wood's fucking charts, all of like the people who have been out there leading every, you know, Alex Berenson sub stack is just not going to be as compelling as this new variant.
It's just there now people are seeing with their eyes.
I'm watching my vaccinated and boosted friends get this.
And then I'm watching my unvaccinated friends get this.
And guess what?
They all weren't sick or mildly sick, you know?
And so I just think what we're watching is the narrative collapsing.
And it makes kind of, it makes sense kind of that as the narrative is collapsing, you have all these people, the politicians like, well, let's grab as much power as we can right now, right now, before this whole thing collapses.
Let's get the vaccine passports in.
Let's get these mandates in.
Let's do all of this.
But, but this is just, I think they just can't fight this any longer.
And I think they start to do damage control at a certain point and start to go like, yeah, yeah, look, we can't, we can't even sell this idea.
But so Fauci just coming out and admitting this thing that it's like, oh, yeah, actually turns out, I mean, dude, COVID, look, there's basically been three major numbers that have been out there this whole time through the pandemic, right?
I don't think I'm, I think this is fairly sound and undeniable.
It's been deaths, hospitalizations, and cases.
Those are the different ways that we measure COVID.
And all three of those numbers are extremely flawed the way that they're counted.
Like number one, when you found out, what was it?
The average COVID death.
I don't know if this is how much this has changed, but I think it was three to four, maybe over four comorbidities associated with the average COVID death.
Like there are multiple comorbidities with COVID deaths, meaning people died of kind of COVID and some other things, you know?
And like, it's very hard to measure.
And then of course you've heard the like ridiculous numbers where like the ridiculous cases where like, you know, man dies in a motorcycle accident, test positive for COVID, you know, COVID death, all of that.
So the deaths are kind of thrown up into the air.
Then the fucking, you know, the cases, it's like, well, you know, you're counting all these asymptomatic cases.
I mean, I don't know.
Does that person really have COVID?
Was it a false positive?
Even if it's a true positive, is that a meaningful case of COVID?
You know, like, oh, by the way, this is what I fucking meant to say earlier that I fucking forgot and then covered my tracks by pretending it was something else.
But the other thing that Fauci was a major admission in his earlier video is that if he's saying that asymptomatic people, if you're asymptomatic, you can go back out into the world, even though you're not, you know, even if you're testing positive.
Well, then isn't that just like, just be real and admit.
So then like, hey, that whole thing that we started this pandemic fear porn off of, which was what?
The super spreaders.
The idea that someone could have no symptoms go out into the world and spread COVID all around to everybody else.
He's admitting now we're not concerned about that.
I mean, this anyway, whatever.
So you're saying deaths, cases, hospitalizations.
These numbers don't mean anything.
They don't give you any real information.
And so what Fauci is just blatantly admitting here, blatantly, and so I guess it's okay for us to say it now, right?
No one's getting censored because Fauci said it.
It's the hospitalization numbers mean nothing.
They mean nothing.
They might be telling you about some kid who broke his leg and they go, okay, let me swab your nose before we go fix your leg.
And they went, oh, you're positive for COVID.
And they're like, do you feel sick at all?
And he goes, nope, don't feel sick at all.
Counting that as a COVID hospitalization.
And again, as I said before, the best data we had on it was about half that number, cut it in half.
And for kids with Omicron, more than half, probably.
It's like, this is fucking wild that they'll just say it.
It's literally, it's almost more maddening than almost two years of them saying shit and us arguing against it and being like, no, we have better arguments.
But then they just casually go, oh yeah.
And by the way, here's something you might hear on part of the problem.
Bruh.
Stop Wasting Time At Post Office00:02:38
Then you just got to go.
And that doesn't come, that comes unattached to an apology or a, oh, and by the way, I'm going to go fall on my sword like a disgraced Japanese samurai or like, I'm going to go fucking put a bag over my head and pick up trash by the side of the road for the rest of my life because I'm so disgraced that I'm just now finally admitting this to you.
It's like, no, none of that's attached.
Just, throw it out there.
Fauci wants our jobs, dude.
He knows his job is coming to an end.
So now he's looking for this one.
All right, fine.
Fine, Fauci.
You can join the podcast.
It'll be three of us.
The new part of the problem with Dave Robb and Fauci.
And that's his last billing.
And he's just on his game because now he's honest.
He's awesome.
I mean, he does know way more about this shit than us.
He just has a handle on everything.
And if he wants to tell the truth, he's so good at it.
Probably.
I mean, probably though.
Probably.
All right.
Yeah, he's made enough money.
I guess he can come here.
He can come here.
We're not going to pay you great, Fauci.
Hey, Tony Fauci.
We're not going to pay you that great.
But we'll have fun.
And you get to, you know, you get to save your soul.
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Rogan Attacks Doctor Malone00:14:09
All right, let's get back into it.
Okay.
All right, there's one more Fauci clip that we wanted to play.
This was not so much on the narrative of COVID changing, but this was something that you sent to me that Thomas Massey had tweeted, and I thought was fairly interesting.
And while we're on this thing of playing, you know, Fauci clips, let's take a look.
Michigan says, why are traditional vaccines like the World Health Organization approved Covaxin, which has proven to be safe and effective in India and which appears to have the potential to be effective against new variants, being delayed for approval in the U.S.?
We had so many people ask about Covaxin.
We have enough vaccines, the best vaccines available in the United States.
So I don't see really, I'm puzzled by that question.
We have more vaccines than we need right now.
We just need the people to get vaccinated with the vaccines that we have.
The mRNA vaccines are vaccines that are desired by everyone else in the world.
So we have what we need.
We need to use it.
But are you not?
Are you opposed to alternative treatments?
What do you mean, alternative?
It's not alternative.
It's another vaccine.
We don't need another vaccine.
We have plenty of vaccines.
They have not applied to get approved.
When you try to get approved, the FDA looks at the data.
And if the data are in order and give you a good scientific rationale to approve it, the FDA will approve it.
There are no interventions that are not being approved for reasons other than they've either not been submitted for approval or the data are not strong enough to warrant approval.
One more question for you.
Also, I found that about a half hour before the show, not terrifically well researched on this, but according to the CEO of that company, they have applied for approval.
So even that excuse that he's spewing of that they have not even applied is not true.
Now, the thing that's important to note about this vaccine, it's closer to Johnson Johnson, and it's closer to a traditional vaccine, which is that it's actually giving you a dead virus particle as opposed to like the synthetic mRNA, whatever.
Yeah.
No, that is interesting.
I also just like the idea that he goes like that we have to just believe the FDA is perfect.
I mean, these are purely scientific decisions that are made by the FDA.
It's not, there could never be any conflict of interest or anything like that.
It's like, no, they just approve what's right and they don't approve what's not right.
So if you have a good scientific rationale, then they'll approve that.
Period.
There's been no, like, you know, just imagine if you were saying, let's say when they talk about the treatments, like, let's say there was a treatment that rhymed with Jiver Schmechton or one that sounded something like by Draley Quoxaquin.
Anything that sounds like those names.
Is that slick enough to keep me out of the algorithm?
Okay.
Would you say that the coverage of either of those two, could anyone argue from either side that the coverage of those two has been devoid of politics?
Do you think the FDA's position on these things has nothing to do with political influence?
Do you actually believe that there's any human being in this country who doesn't have somewhat of a kind of like influenced outlook on any of these things?
But what was the most interesting about that was just Fauci's kind of body language and how he responded to this.
Something, for whatever reason, I'm sure it's just purely truth science, but for whatever reason, he seems really committed to the vaccines he wants to push.
None of these others, right?
They don't get to get in there at all.
All right.
Okay.
So I'd say for the remainder of the show, there's just something I wanted to talk about real quick, which is another subject that we've covered a lot.
But there's been a little bit of an explosion in the backlash to tech censorship over the last really 24 hours.
And I guess there were a few things that happened.
Of course, the great Joe Rogan, my brother.
Dude, he's been on point since he got COVID.
He totally flipped.
Like originally, I'll just be like, he was cool, but he wasn't fully understanding the story.
Then he got COVID.
He had that little thing with CNN and he realized what was going on.
And then he's been just pure awesome.
I think his instincts were great the whole way through, but I think that you're right that there was something that radicalized him about that experience, about actually going through that.
And I know, and I he was just, no, he just realized you're lying and fuck you.
Yeah.
And let's look into this.
And then once he started looking into it and realizing just how much they were lying and how poor there was access to better information, he had Alex Berenson on.
He had those two doctors on this month that were fucking awesome.
Well, he's been getting after it.
Full support, Rogie.
So he's not.
You need my support, but I'll give it to you.
No, he needs the bump.
He needs, he got the Bernstein bump right there.
No, look, I think Joe has been, and I've, I've talked to him a lot, you know, throughout all of this craziness.
And I think he's, he's had a really good head on his shoulders throughout this whole thing.
But yeah, he's really, as of late, just been killing it even more than usual.
And the episode that he just had with the guy who like founded the mRNA vaccines.
Malone?
Yes, Malone.
Dr. Malone is a guy who's like, I mean, you certainly can't argue, is not accredited enough to be able to give his thoughts on this.
It's very funny that there's this kind of dynamic.
I tweeted something to this effect recently where they kind of do this thing where they go, like, so if you say something, they go, well, you're not a doctor.
But then when a doctor says something, they just silence that doctor.
So these people have been kicked off of social media.
These aren't people who are threatening somebody or fucking dropping N bombs or something like that.
These are doctors making medical arguments.
Malone has dropped a few N bombs, but they were called for appropriate.
They were all part of hip-hop lyrics.
But so, but you know what I'm saying?
Like you see, this is what's cracking down.
And then today, this, what's her name?
Green MTG, she was kicked off.
And she is, I really don't know that much about her, but she's a lunatic.
But when it comes to this particular topic, all the things that they flagged as how dare you say such a thing all turned out to be entirely reasonable.
And also because she's a bit of a lunatic, she's a hero to her base.
And I think on top of that, you know, there's a lot of people, I think, like us who like, I like the crazy one in the room.
I kind of like that person being there.
You never know.
When they say the right thing, it's really important.
Sometimes those people, the crazy one in the room, are the one you want to have around because they won't, you know, be shy when other people are.
And I, I, you know, but I think even more than that, the fact is that it was one more example of them ban, they're banning a sitting member of Congress.
I mean, just think about how insane that is.
I didn't see the actual tweet, but it was for, I believe, just tweeting the VARES information of how many people died.
So it's a sitting member of, you know, is she a senator or Congress?
Senator, right?
Oh, Congresswoman tweeting theirs, and she got thrown off for that.
Yes.
By the way, her earlier comments were something along the lines of: if you're a healthy individual, you're probably not going to die of this.
They took issue with that.
Like, if you look through the things that she said that they took issue with, I don't think she was wrong on any of them.
Yeah.
No, that's exactly right.
And so, but there's something about, and of course, Brian just pointed out in the chat.
And of course, they banned the sitting president of the United States of America.
But the idea that you would, you, you're, you're saying that, like, okay, someone is so dangerous that you don't think they should be allowed to spread this misinformation, but yet they, they could vote on the policy, but you don't want people to know what their thoughts are.
It's just so on every level, it's insane.
By the way, it's insane to support doing this to anyone.
Like the idea that if you are, it is a sign of a truly poisoned society.
If people have given up on the idea that if they think they're right and they have the truth on their side, that they don't, they're not confident enough to go, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and I can argue with these people and win the ideas in the court of public opinion.
I mean, if you're in this place where you feel like opposition needs to be silenced, You're going down a bad road already, but something sparked up, I really think between uh Rogan.
Um, I don't know exactly what happened with the Dr. Malone episode, but there ain't no clips on YouTube, and that's pretty rare.
And that guy's been kicked off of social media and all this stuff, and I think the other doctor was as well, and Alex Berenson has been as well.
And this is a point where it's like, you know, like you would think if there was, if there was a healthy society and if the establishment type people had any, if they had a real concern about this stuff and thought these guys were getting it wrong, then wouldn't the move be to like, hey, like we, you know, CNN or whoever it is, they go the New York Times, you know, whoever, we request that we have a debate on Joe Rogan's show.
Let's have three hours with Dr. Malone and the guy who will tell you how he's wrong.
And I'll tell you, Rogan would be down to do that, but they don't want to do that.
They want to just silence that other guy.
They don't want to put their ideas up against up against theirs.
So anyway, there's been a lot of momentum going on.
And I will tell you, I'll make a little announcement here.
I did, which I never do, but I started an account at one of these alternative sites at Gitter.
I don't know if I'm doing that, right?
Getter.
Get in.
Getter.
I now have a Gitter.
And listen, I don't know.
I don't know exactly how to feel.
She said, no, go get her.
Feels like a trap.
I'll tell you, it feels like a trap.
They, I already have more followers there than I do on Twitter.
What?
Which seems like it can't be.
You post refugee this thing?
What are you doing?
No.
But they let you import your Twitter thing there.
But it's like, I don't think I really have this many followers there.
But they also verified me within two minutes of being on the site.
Sounds like you're getting her done.
I mean, if you listen, Gitter, you're making me feel great.
You're already, you're playing a very smart game.
If this is how you're trying to get me there, like they're just, it's, it's like, I don't think any of this is real, but I really like having a big number next to my name.
And so this is, this is enough for you to probably convince me.
That's like if you gave me a ruler that made my dick like be like eight inches because like just the inches were off, I'd love, dude, you have a 64-inch dick.
You're like, pretty sure that's a tiny ruler, but I'm not gonna, but I'm not gonna argue with you.
I'm on this ruler.
All right, here we go.
There you go.
Whole new confidence about me.
But anyway, if you know, this isn't a honeypot and I'm not about to go to prison for life.
You can go follow me over there.
It's the same as Twitter at Comic Dave Smith.
So go follow me on Gitter if you want to.
Verified.
Something like 180,000 followers or something.
I don't know.
It's picking up.
But anyway, I think we, you know, it was just, to me, it was like usually the way I look at it is like, look, dude, I fucking, I use Twitter.
I don't really use any other social media.
And I'm like, what am I going to do?
Add another one?
I'm already, I already spend way too much time on fucking Twitter.
And I got a fucking, I got a wife and two kids and I got a career and shit.
I can't, I can't like do another social media thing.
But when there was kind of this wave, and you know, when you're really fed up with tech censorship, as I am, and I think everyone should be, and you're still kind of on the sites, you feel like a little bit hypocritical.
Although I guess I rationalize it and justify it to myself, where it's like, well, I mean, I got a decent following on all these platforms now.
You know, I mean, I'd say all these platforms on YouTube, on Twitter is a little bit of a decent following.
You're like, well, I want to at least like reach people with this shit.
And if I get off them, then I don't reach as many people.
But when I saw that Rogan and Tim Poole and like people like that were like, hey, we're going over to this other site.
I kind of felt like, well, if there's this energy and there are big influencers, particularly Rogan, who's like the biggest one, like if he's going to go over there, it's like, okay, let's fucking do it.
I'll, I'll jump on board with these guys who I respect very much and admire and who have helped me out a lot.
And like, okay, this will drive at least enough people over there where like, okay, let's give this a shot to actually do the fucking libertarian thing of like, oh, build your own Twitter or whatever.
Diversify Your Podcast Sites00:00:45
Okay.
All right.
I'll, I'll try.
Um, so you can follow me over there.
Um, and, um, you know, we'll, we're gonna, I think we'll do some stuff to kind of diversify a bit more and set up on on different sites with the show as well.
And so we, we got some stuff in the future.
We're gonna get her done.
That's what we're gonna do.
All right.
That is our show for today.
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