James Smith and Michael Malice review 2021, critiquing government overreach, mass surveillance, and the Libertarian Party's internal fractures. They analyze Marjorie Taylor Greene's extremism, the corporate media's failure to question Biden, and the shifting Overton window regarding police abolition. Discussing school board protests labeled "domestic terrorism," they argue for parental rights and a "national divorce" to end political conflict. Ultimately, they suggest that market alternatives and decentralization offer the only path to liberty, predicting further erosion of state mandates as normalcy bias collapses. [Automatically generated summary]
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Roll Back The State00:12:12
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We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
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If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
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Here's your host, James Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem, the final episode in the year 2021, and what a year it's been.
And to close out the year and do kind of, I thought I thought we'd do a year in review type episode.
We have, of course, my great friend, author, political commentator, troll, and the leading anarchist thinker in the world.
As unbelievable as that is to say, the one and only Michael Malis.
How are you, my brother?
I think it's fair to say by 2023, Chomsky will make sure that there's no question that it's me, if you know what I mean.
Chomsky has worked really hard this year to make sure that it's you.
Well, I just mean he's not going to be around in 2023.
Yes, he would be higher on the list if he hadn't been around in 2021.
And I have nothing but respect for Noam Chomsky's previous work.
Anyway, so I thought real quick before we start, I just do want to let people know me and Robbie the Fire Bernstein, we will be in Boston January 13th and 14th at the White Bull Tavern, doing a couple of stand-up comedy shows and a live part of the problem.
And then the next day, I will be flying out.
So that then the, we're there Thursday, Friday night, then Saturday, Sunday night.
I will be in Arizona at the Libertarian Party convention out there in Arizona.
I'm giving a speech and then I'm doing a stand-up show and a live part of the problem podcast after that.
Okay.
Is that one of the states where the slate for who's going to control the state party is happening?
Yeah, I think so.
And it's one of the states I think that we're doing very well in.
But basically coming up now in the next few months is like convention season.
And this is, I mean, let's just say it's all coming together beautifully.
This is all happening.
And everybody in the Libertarian Party now who's like, was an enemy of the Mises caucus, it's like they're split into these camps.
There's like the deranged maniacs who are like, which are the minority.
They're like, the Nazis have taken over.
You know, the Jewish Nazis are here to kick everyone out of the Libertarian Party.
And then there's the other group that isn't the Mises caucus who's like, it looks like they're going to win.
And they seem to have some pretty popular people and they work really hard.
So like, I guess let's get back to work.
And like, this is going to be kind of cool.
Like, you can see this weird divide now happening where like the people who are more normies, but aren't like insane are like, I don't know, it does seem like they're bringing a lot of energy to the table.
And like, that's kind of cool.
Like, oh, all of their guys go on big shows and the guys on the ground work really hard and all of this.
And so it's, it's a really beautiful thing that's, that's starting to happen.
This year, like the, the transformation that's going to happen in the Libertarian Party this year is going to be unbelievable.
I'm really, really, I am, to borrow your term, I'm very white-pilled on what's going to happen over the next few months in the Libertarian Party.
But if you want to, if you want to get involved with it, it's going to be a lot of fun.
Now's the time, people who are listening.
And of course, this will ultimately end in my great honor to serve underneath the next press secretary of the United States of America, Michael Malas, which is what this is all about.
It's all what we've been building toward.
I think every month that passes, I think the White House press corps just comes off as more dumb and juvenile because there's so many very legitimate, not gotcha questions that they could be asking the administration.
And they're not even doing those.
And it's kind of surprising because they have no problem playing gotcha sometimes, like with Afghanistan to some extent with Afghanistan.
With Kamala Harris, there's a hit piece on her like every other day.
But things like, hey, Jensaki, why were you not taking your calls when Afghanistan was going down?
That's a legitimate question.
It's not like, oh, you know, you're absconding with your job, which she was, but you could be like, how was that more important?
Like, explain to me your thought process as the spokeswoman for the most powerful man in the world.
Yeah, it's really like, it's pretty unbelievable to watch it all kind of happening and how the, you know, there's something like kind of like this bigger like theme where, you know, Donald Trump comes in as the anti-establishment candidate.
And in a lot of ways, and I remember me and you were talking about this late last year.
We were like, you know, there's a lot of Trump supporters who are like, oh my God, it's this is, it's all over because Trump, you know, didn't get in and Biden found a way to steal it or whatever.
And we were kind of like, eh, you know, this might be better for you.
And I'm not even necessarily saying it definitely is, but it certainly might be.
And you see that when Trump came in as the, I'm draining the swamp, the whole political class is corrupt.
I'm the outsider.
Fuck all of you, you know?
And then they all, this kind of binds them all together to be hysterical.
We all have a common goal.
We're going to take him down.
And now everybody from someone, you know, in some kid in like Antifa in Seattle and Bill Crystal are all on the same team because they're all opposing Donald Trump.
But then you take him out and you just put an establishment figure back in there.
And everyone knows like this is kind of a disaster.
And yet no one knows exactly what to do.
And it's really been fascinating.
That's, that's one of my biggest like kind of takeaways from 2021.
This whole thing has been fascinating to watch.
Like the press just doesn't know what to do because basically they have this guy in there who represents by his very nature, the establishment of the last 40 years in American politics.
Like this is the establishment.
This is what you guys claimed was so dangerous about Trump is that we didn't have this.
And then we'll get back to this.
And then things will get serious.
And then we'll take on COVID and then we won't be an embarrassment in the world.
And then the economy will be together.
And like.
All right.
Yeah.
And the other thing that's really funny that's going on right now, if I could just kind of change tacks for a little bit, is my hero, Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has managed to, she was out trumping Trump in many ways.
First of all, there's this, I don't understand, or maybe I do understand, or I don't really have a concrete answer, how the press thinks that the tactics that they used on Trump will work on her because the tactics didn't work on Trump.
So for example, he would say something that's like inflammatory, but it would be things that were pretty popular among many people in America.
And they'd be like, can you believe he said this?
And a lot of people would be like, well, he's an ass, but yeah.
Or even if I don't agree, it's like, I can believe he said it.
So she just yesterday tweeted out that Kwanzaa is a made-up religion.
She meant holiday, I'm sure, but whatever.
I don't want to made up by a psychopath.
But like the guy who invented Kwanzaa literally like was like arrested for torturing someone, just like the one the speakers at the Women's March went to jail for a long time because she was part of a group of people who kidnapped and murdered and tortured someone to death.
And they said he was a homophobic slur because when they were raping him with a steel pipe, he was squirming.
And it's like, it's not, and also the people at Cal Rittenhouse killed, right?
It's not like, oh, you know, these lefties or the sons of teachers.
Like, these are people who outside of politics in any context are objectively evil.
Like, if you're literally torturing people, this isn't a Republican Democrat issue.
Right.
And then today, she came out in favor of my big issue of national divorce, and everyone's flipping out.
And it's like, oh, the Republic, the GPQ, they want violence.
They want civil war.
And it's like, we literally had a summer last year of violence.
And every corporate media outlet, with very few exceptions, was cheering them on.
We still have the quotes.
We still have the Chris Cuomo, the biggest show on CNN, saying, show me where protests have to be peaceful.
And they're acting like this isn't what they wanted.
And it's amazing because I don't blame them, but it's not going to be hard to show a blue-pilled person or just a normie.
These people are saying this today.
Look what they said literally yesterday.
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Like their inability to pivot or be flexible or adjust to the moment at all.
It's like, look, we have one weapon and it's this hammer.
And you're like, okay, well, the hammer makes this enemy stronger.
And they're like, well, I have a hammer.
So I'm going to keep throwing this hammer.
I've got another hammer.
Right.
Yeah.
I've got a bigger one now.
Jokes on you because I just got another hammer.
And you're like, okay, but you realize that's what beat you in this game to begin with.
And part of, you know, I remember I always thought this was one of the most brilliant things I ever heard Rogan say.
I always loved this.
I thought this was so like insightful.
And he was talking, I believe he was talking about Occupy Wall Street at the time.
And he said, Occupy Wall Street is like white blood cells.
And they basically they're smelling corruption and they're rushing.
Now, he was like, white blood cells don't necessarily know what exactly the virus is or how exactly to cure the virus.
You know, you may not interview a white blood cell and he may not give you the most, you know, excellent example, but they know there's corruption in the system and we're rushing to it.
And there's really something profound about that, that there's a lot of these movements, you know, it's like, I don't know, the bank, the big banks just crashed the economy and then they got bailed out by the taxpayer.
That's fucking bullshit.
And we know that's bullshit.
Now, when you'd interview an Occupy Wall Street protester, oftentimes, you know, you'd hear things like, we should just abolish money, man.
Like, why do we even need money?
And you'd be like, oh, okay, all right, that's kind of retarded.
But the core of their point was correct.
And you could say the same thing for the Tea Party movement.
And you could say the same thing, at least originally for Black Lives Matter and for a lot of these other groups, that their core issue was kind of like, no, there is this corruption.
And we're fucking furious about that.
And I think there was something about the Donald Trump movement that was the same thing.
And I think it was in part a response against insane authoritarian political correctness.
And it's like, no, we don't want the people who support Green or Trump, they hate the idea that you have to watch your mouth constantly and constantly worry about what you say.
And oh my God, she said one thing wrong.
They're kind of like, I want people to be able to speak their minds.
And like, and the truth is, I think what we both know as two people who really enjoy kind of provocative, you know, thinkers is that a lot of times the people who say the most insightful, most important truth also say some other wild shit that we don't really agree with.
But what world do you want to live in?
You want to live in a world where that person is like, you said the wrong thing once, so you are banished.
Or do you want to live in a world where it's like, no, I want to hear that person talk so I can get the nugget that's really good.
And yeah, you know, kind of roll my eyes at a few other things they say.
So they're this attack of like, we must, they're like, people are going to them like, yeah, we love this person who's a middle finger to political correctness.
And then they're like, but they're politically incorrect.
And you're like, yes, that feeds them.
That feeds them.
That's just, that's what people like about them.
And this is why the entire corporate press sat around when the Trump grab him by the pussy tape came out and said, well, he's done.
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And that, and, but they never learn from any one of these.
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And it's just, it's amazing to watch.
And here's something else.
The base understands that look at, let's suppose you had a choice between Marjorie Taylor Green and Ted Cruz, right?
If you put bills in front of them, they would probably vote identically 100% of the time.
But in terms of which one can, when push comes to shove, can they trust?
Ted Cruz is a snake and she's a lunatic.
She believes it.
So if it comes to me, I would rather have someone who's so crazy that they believe all the crap they're saying for many people in the base than someone who's saying what they need to say because they've seen that many times.
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They'll vote the way you want.
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Recognizing The New Right00:06:29
And I think there's a fundamental recognition on the right that, and I think this is something you wrote about in the new right, that there's a recognition, even if not completely like intellectualized or strategically thought out, there's a recognition that the old way doesn't work.
Yeah.
The old way is we lose this game every single time.
If we just keep doing this, the ratchet just keeps turning more and more and more and we are getting screwed.
So let's try something new, something bold.
Let's piss instead of like trying to prove to the corporate press and the establishment that hate our guts that you really shouldn't hate our guts.
Let's fucking make them hate our guts.
Let's like really piss them off.
Paying the price, you get that.
You might as well get the benefit.
Right.
Right.
And so that's been, that's been a really interesting phenomenon.
There's one thing that I said, and I know you've made this point a lot.
You have that famous quote about Trump being the damn.
How did you say it then?
They thought Trump was the river, but he was actually the damn.
Right.
And so it's soon, even when it became clear that Biden was going to come in, I just, I thought it was so obvious that it's like, I mean, you guys think that you've been selling the idea that this is over now, but it's not over.
It's not about Trump.
And I think the same thing is true with all of like cancel culture and all of that stuff too.
It's like they can, you know, if you think about all of say us, and I don't even just mean us as in like the anarchist or libertarian.
like alternative, whatever you want to call us, the world of talking about these ideas that are not the corporate establishment.
I don't just mean like me and your show.
I mean, I'm saying like people like me and you and Tim Poole and Joe Rogan and Lex Friedman and like all, and just, you know, on and on and on and on.
So many.
If you take all of them, I mean, it's like, you know, there's probably tens of millions of people listening to these shows.
You know what I mean?
Like, and all a bunch I probably can't even think of right now, but are just like, oh, so you can cancel any one of them.
You could kill one of the leaders of, or one of the, the, you know, content creators in one of these shows.
But what about their audience?
Like no one's going from like, no one's going like, oh, Michael Malice got taken out.
He's banned off everything or you don't do your show anymore.
So I guess I'll just turn on Don Lemon instead.
You know, like no one's going back to that.
This also speaks to like the boomer con fantasy of which they grew up with like we have to defeat the Democratic Party like once and for all.
It's like, okay, let's suppose you defeat the Democratic Party.
What do you do with those tens of millions of Democratic voters?
Do you think all of a sudden they're going to be like, you know, big MAGA patriots and voting for the flag and God faith and country?
That's not how it works.
It's like a snake eating its own tail.
And they have no concept of this.
They think in this binary like Republican Democrat us versus them.
The Democratic Party has been defeated in the Civil War.
The Republican Party has been defeated by FDR and other times.
And they come back because the voter, same thing in Canada, literally in 1993, the Conservative Party, which were called the Progressive Conservatives, lost every single seat except for two.
Do you think conservatism just vanished?
They have another conservative party came about in like minutes.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'll tell you, I think there's something that libertarians tend to get wrong on this issue too.
And not necessarily get wrong as in like logically wrong, but wrong as just in strategically improbable, you know, because I guess this is like seemingly kind of a contradiction in my worldview, but I don't really think it is.
But like, I really am like an evangelical libertarian.
Like I want to spread the ideas of libertarianism, convince as many people to believe in freedom and private property and like a stateless society and all of this.
And I'd like to spread it to the whole world.
I'd like everyone to be, you know, like I don't think freedom only works here, but wouldn't work in this other culture with these other people.
I think it's a universal goal with that would universally be better than the alternative everywhere.
But But at the same time, I can recognize practically and strategically that it's probably not going to come about because someone takes over the federal government of the United States of America and reinstitutes like, I don't know, the Bill of Rights or the Constitution or maybe the Articles of Confederation or like whatever it would be.
Like that's probably not going to happen.
And it's certainly not going to happen when you have like, you know, 70 million Biden supporters.
Plus another 10 million who voted twice and 70 million uh, Trump supporters.
You know, whatever the numbers are, it's like that's probably not going to happen, but we could maybe get to a point where there are pockets of, you know, little Lichtensteins and things like that where like, there's like oh okay, this little area broke away and this little area broke away and there could be this kind of like beautiful balkanization of this whole, like system, and that ultimately, we can, we could kind of be both.
We could want to like be Evangelicals and convince as many people to like be unplugged from this insanity and also recognize that the end goal is probably going to be the national divorce.
It's, it's really some, some of these counter arguments, like sometimes it takes me a minute to try to reverse engineer the thinking because I find it so fatuous.
I'm like I don't even know how you got there.
One of the big arguments is like, well, you can't have anarchism, because if there's an anarchist area, it's going to be invaded immediately.
And it's like, okay, let's suppose New Hampshire uh, it declares itself, you know, a free, anarchist area and it's allowed to secede from the United States, which is not at all likely, but it's not at all completely impossible.
Who's invading?
It's got to be Canada or America.
America just said, you can go, Canada's not invading.
Well, that doesn't count, because it's a small area, I don't care.
Like like so if there's like 300 000 people who are free, somehow this is a failure.
I think this is a huge success right no absolutely, and like that's, and, and that's kind of I think you know more where the like, the the more probable actual success in reality is going to come, is going to come in in examples like that.
And, of course, like you know, even the I the idea.
Ideas Pick Up Steam00:10:49
I guess part of it is just because you know, when things are the way they are, people think well, obviously they have to be that way.
Um, and when you live in a country as big as the United States Of America, you know you tend to think it's like, well, we're this huge powerhouse and that's because we're so big, but that's not actually true.
If you look around the world, like there are gigantic countries that are very poor, there are tiny countries that are much wealthier, and there's like there's no reason why one like you should prefer to be a part of a big organization than a small one, and there's no reason why it's not as if it's self-evident to say that like well, I mean, a small country is obviously just going to be invaded by a bigger country, or a country with a small population is obviously going to be invaded by a country with a larger population,
which could kind of sound plausible if it had never been tried and you were just saying, or if small countries don't currently exist right now right right, like i'm saying, they're all over the place and many of them are not invaded.
And the way they do that, they make deals with other organizations, they have defense, you know uh, put in place and all of this stuff.
So yeah, it is, it is interesting, but I, I will say that and And maybe this is, we could, we could talk about this a little bit because as the year ends, I do every year.
And I'm sure there's a normal thing to do.
I do tend to just like kind of reflect on the last year.
And so for you, kind of not even politically, but just like personally, this has been like a pretty crazy year.
Like, I mean, personally, I'm professionally.
I mean, personally, you know, you moved and kind of started a whole new chapter in your life and all of that.
But professionally, I mean, it's.
It's kind of, I was thinking about this as I was just like an hour ago as getting ready to come down and like set up for this episode.
That it's like, I remember like I met you at the, when you debated Tom Woods at that Hamilton-Jefferson debate.
And I think I let me correct you, not Jefferson, because Tom explicitly was saying I'm not defending Jefferson.
Oh, it was just a Hamilton debate, which was great.
It was so much fun.
It was like before the Soho Forum was called the Soho Forum, but Gene had started running a little debate series and it was great.
It was a really fun time.
And just you were just so entertaining.
You did like the Trump slot.
I don't know if it's online anywhere, but if it is, you should go watch it.
It's really like people can find it.
I forgot about it.
So funny, dude.
And you flew Tom's wife out to the thing.
I mean, it was just like, it was great.
It was great Michael Malice debate tactics mixed in with like really good arguments and stuff that really made you think.
But I think I had heard you like on a few things before that.
Like I think I probably seen you on like some Fox News stuff and like heard you on Tom's podcast or something, but I didn't really know like that much about you.
And like that, like since then, it's like, it's been cool to watch you kind of like rise to prominence.
And then this year really has been like by far the best.
I mean, there's, there's, you had a year professionally this year, unlike anything I think you've ever had.
I think it's fair to say.
Did you see just today, like the editorial director?
I forget his title.
I'm going to look it up right now because I want to get it exactly right.
He works at the Blaze, which is Glenn Beck's outlet.
And I've been told like the guy running the Blaze was like, you know what?
I think you might be spending a little too much time here because you're radicalizing everyone here.
Because it's not that hard to do because it's the truth.
Hold on.
I'm almost finding it here.
Bear with me.
I'm sorry.
Daniel Horowitz, he's the senior editor at The Blaze and he hosts a podcast called CR Podcast.
He came out today with a piece called Abolish the Police.
Wow.
To have someone on staff at the Blaze come out in favor of abolishing the police would have been unthinkable in 2019.
Unthinkable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that really is.
That really is something.
And it is interesting to see like in real time, these ideas just kind of like starting to really pick up steam.
It's one thing that I've really, and this is not just over the last year, but I think over 2021, one of the things that's like the most encouraging to me is that, so like I, you know, like I, as I talk about all the time, like I, I came in to these, this whole world through the Ron Paul campaigns.
Yeah.
And I remember it was a really exciting time.
It was a really time.
If you were like a young libertarian, it was really easy to be white-pilled at the time.
Ron Paul in 2008 was just killing it.
I mean, I look, I know he didn't win the presidency or anything like that, but every debate was the Ron Paul show.
Every and every day, there was some new moment of Ron Paul just owning everybody.
And it was just awesome.
He was just right about everything.
Every fight he picked, he was on the right side of it.
He was crushing them.
And he was breaking fundraising records and drawing like thousands of young people out.
And then in 2012, he like doubled from where he was in 2008 and was actually like, looked like he might win Iowa and New Hampshire, lost very narrowly, although technically won Iowa later.
And then after that, it was supposed to be the baton was supposed to be handed to Rand Paul and that kind of things really stepped back.
And it was very hard at that time.
It was like, shit, we had this whole movement.
And then it kind of like stepped back.
And now it's like, it just didn't seem to have the energy, you know, that it used to.
And I remember thinking, and this is right when I started getting popular and I started developing an audience.
And it was kind of this weird thing where like, oh, now I'm getting kind of big, but like there's no movement around to speak of.
The movement then was like the Trump populist movement, kind of the alt-right, the new right, like all these other things, but it wasn't, there was nothing really liberty oriented or really like anti-statist about any of that shit.
But I remember always thinking, I was like, I think this is going to come back.
Like, I think we're going to have another round, however, it happens.
I think we're due for another round because you could just see the writing on the wall.
It's like the state's fucking everything up again.
And this is going to become obvious.
And it really seems like looking at, you know, I guess the last two years, but really in 2021, I mean, just seeing like the growth of like the audience size that of like what you've put together, what I've been able to put together, guys like Eric July, Tom Woods has gotten a lot bigger, being kind of like the anti-COVID regime guy, like just all of these people out there who are really like, it's,
I'm just like getting this feeling.
It's like, oh, dude, I've never, I haven't seen this since 2012.
And I don't think 2012 was like this.
I think this is like a whole new thing where there's just like this energy again.
And it seems like this is a place where like, like you said, you're going on these shows and like a whole lot of people are just going like, it's almost like, like almost begrudgingly, they got to go, shit, that is right.
That was like your whole Glenn Beck interview is the whole time.
Like basically Glenn Beck had the energy.
I was like, shit, I mean, that is right.
It's just when you say it like that, it's hard to tell you you're not right because you are.
And it's obviously.
It has in the Overton window for conservatives the following three things.
Anti-war, ending the drug war, and the police are not your friends.
Those have happened.
Now, I'm not even saying remotely 100% of conservatives.
Think this, but 100% of conservatives regard these opinions as legitimate, even if they disagree.
I think that in terms of the future of this country, bodes extremely well.
And yeah, no, I think you're right.
And I would add to that a few other things because those are all huge.
But then on top of that, these are all things that are within the Overton window now.
Again, like you said, not everyone agrees with it, but undeniably within the Overton window.
The CIA and FBI and entire deep state are corrupt to their core.
And anti-American.
And anti-American.
The last election was illegitimate.
Public schools are brainwashing your children.
Yeah, that's a huge.
I mean, these are like all of these coming together.
It's kind of like, wow.
And I think some young people really can appreciate like how drastic of a change this is.
This is not George W. Bush's Republican base anymore.
And by the way, I think there's also, there is stuff on the other side.
Now, the Democrats are insane and there are like the woke, you know, lunatics and stuff like that.
But there have been these huge walkaway movements and people like that who really are, you know, they're now, the thing is like they're now called right wingers, but they're not right wingers.
They are disaffected left wingers who are also recognizing a lot of these things.
And it's actually much easier to sell them on some of the stuff like the war on drugs and the deep state and all that, because they come from the left.
You know, like, I don't care if woken insane people call like Tim Poole or Glenn Greenwald or people like that, like far right wing people.
It's like, nah, motherfucker, those are liberals who you're talking about are like left liberals.
And they've just also been like disaffected by this whole thing.
So it is like that's the funny, a quick story, just to like kind of sum this up, right?
Yeah.
So Lewis, there are people who really hate Legion of Skanks, like these woke insane people who try to cancel it, you know, and they're like, oh, racist jokes and all this.
And so they were calling us.
They wrote an article.
There was an article about how we're like an alt-right podcast, which is, you know, whatever, so ridiculous.
But so there was this article and they were like their whole right-wing audience, blah, blah, blah.
And so Lewis put out a Twitter poll and I think it got it got like maybe like 10, 15,000 votes or something like that.
And it was about what the Legion of Skanks audience is.
And it's Lewis tweeting it from his Twitter.
So it's, I mean, like a fairly scientific poll about as close as you can get on a, I mean, he's asking what our fan base is on his Twitter.
And he goes, do you consider yourself left, right, libertarian?
And the other option was politics is gay.
And it was something like, I don't know, it was like fairly evenly split.
I don't remember the exact numbers, but like some said they lean left, some said they lean right, some said libertarian, like, you know, maybe like just for the sake of argument, 25% on all of them or something like that.
And so we all looked at that and we're like, look, there's proof.
We don't have a right-wing audience.
But those woke guys looked at that and they went, this is proof they have a right-wing audience because right-wing is right-wing, libertarian is right-wing.
And if you would make a joke about being gay, well, then that's obviously right-wing too.
So you're 75% right-wing.
And so it's this interesting thing where you're like, oh, oh, okay, well, you can call it that, but that's only because you're insane.
Left Defines Everyone Else00:17:41
Right.
Like to everyone else, you're like, no, this is.
So it's not just happening on the right.
It is happening on the left too.
It's just that the crazy part of the left has decided anyone who's not on that crazy part is the right.
And so that's, it's a, it's a beautiful moment, I think.
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Yeah, I'm very optimistic going into 2022, especially because like one of the points I've always made, people have this delusion where it's like, well, you're never going to convince the majority of people to be anarchists.
True.
I don't have to convince anyone of anything if the choices are the post office and UPS and UPS is cheaper.
You don't have to know anything.
You just have to be like, the market provide this alternative.
This is or like private roads.
If the toll for the government road is 10 bucks and the toll for a private road is two bucks with my easy pass, I don't have to have a philosophical position on one thing or another.
And now what we're seeing is quality of life.
Do you want to live in New York City with the COVID restrictions or do you want to live in Austin or Florida or Nashville and be free?
You don't have to have a philosophy.
It's just like, which of these is more conducive to you thriving?
And then people make the choice.
And then in many ways, that leads to the philosophy.
You know, like in many ways, then people go like, oh, because they got to rationalize it in their mind somehow.
And they're like, yeah, I do kind of think we should be free because, you know, free, like, that's nice stuff.
And I like having a nice life and nice stuff and all of this.
And, you know, first, I guess there's a few things I'd kind of say to that like line of argument.
Like, number one, the obvious thing that jumps out is like, yeah, well, I don't need to convince the majority.
Like who said that's, that's like some democratic bullshit illusion?
Like, I don't need to convince the majority.
I need to convince more people, but it doesn't need to be the majority of people.
Like what there's no, there's nothing magical about 50% plus one.
And that's true in a presidential election too, is the majority of people are like, there's never been a president ever elected with a majority of Americans.
They get elected with in total of the American population, maybe 25% or something like that, because it's only like half of people vote anyway.
So that's, you know, like that has nothing to do with anything.
And you could say there's other people who are ineligible to vote because they're like kids or felons or whatever, or the people who just choose not to vote, but those are people too.
No one cares about what they're convinced of, you know?
But then on top of that, I would also say, and who are you to say the majority can't be convinced?
It'd be easy to sit back at any period in time and say, well, this could never happen and the majority could never be convinced.
You know, you can never convince the majority of people that slavery is evil or something like that.
That would have been very plausible at one time in history, but actually you can.
And it was done.
I disagree because I don't think the majority can be convinced of anything.
I don't think they are capable of thought.
This is why you go from Weimar to Nazi.
They're just going to follow the bandwagon.
Well, yeah, but that's my, that's almost my point in a sense.
Like they, they're convinced by just following like the trends where society goes.
So like they are currently convinced that slavery is evil, but yeah, you're probably right.
And as we've kind of seen over the last few years, they, some can be convinced back, you know, like, so, so I actually don't disagree with that at all.
The truth is that society is made up of a very small percentage of leaders and a very large percentage of followers.
That's the way human beings work.
And we all know that.
I mean, like everyone, like anyone, everyone just instinctually, and maybe not instinctually, but just from wisdom and like very basic wisdom in life knows that the vast majority of people are followers.
And that's what's special about leaders.
That's why we celebrate leaders when we see them, because it's like, oh, that's unique.
Yeah.
And we don't celebrate followers because they're a dime a dozen.
They're around everywhere.
But so, yeah, there's, and particularly, you know, like I think that it's quite possible.
And I'm very optimistic about this, that the Omicron variant is going to do more work than any of the arguments that Tom Woods or Alex Berenson or anyone like that could have done.
It's that, you know, if you just see that there is a virus that is far more contagious and far less deadly and far more resistant to the vaccine, how long can you keep this propaganda going?
You're like, I don't know.
I know a whole bunch of people who got infected by it.
Half of them vaccinated, half of them not.
They all had violent symptoms.
Don't try to convince me.
Here's the worst symptom of Omicron.
I'm sure you saw this footage, which dropped, I think, two days ago, of the cop telling this little boy, like to get out of this restaurant with his family and the little kid starts crying.
Yeah.
And all these, see, the thing with conservatives are they're really like family oriented disproportionately as compared to leftists.
And when they see something like that, like I've seen like Matt Walsh, Drew Hernandez, who I got into with him on Timcast, he was one of the Brittany house witnesses.
Like they were all sharing this and they're just like, what is wrong with you people?
Was that the one with Rogan and Alex Jones and all them?
Yeah, he was there too.
I, because he was, he was saying blah, blah, blah.
You know, he was at the Constitution.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did see that.
I'm sorry.
I forgot about that.
You know, all these people were sharing this clip.
And if you're Kathy Hochel, the governor of New York, who is a literal witch, if you are taking money from her to tell a little boy he can't have a hamburger and making him cry, you're not a good person.
Like it's this isn't a complicated gray area.
You're a good person.
And I don't care if you go home and have a family and you're good to them.
Like you're just, you're destroying someone else's family.
You're it.
You're destroying some other kid.
And then you could go home.
I don't care what you do aside from that.
Like, I'm sorry.
Like, it's like you can't do 12 things in your day.
And one of them is like, you know, just bullying the shit out of an innocent child and then be like, but I'm a good person because of these other 11 things I did.
Like, no, you're not.
And, you know, that's another big thing to me of 2021.
I thought was one of the major stories.
And of course, the corporate press has to cover it in their own way.
In fact, we get into two of them, right?
Like, these are two of to me of the biggest stories of 2021.
Of course, one that happened very early in the year, which was January 6th.
It happened six days exactly into the year.
And the other one has been the school board meetings.
Oh, yeah.
And these scenes there where, you know, these parents have just had it.
And of course, both of them, both of these events, one being January 6th and one and the other one being the school board, you know, furious parents, they're both labeled in the corporate press the exact same way, like domestic terrorism.
Right.
Because this is what it is.
And by the way, I will submit to everybody listening that they are right from their perspective.
Yeah, yeah.
And they are in the same way that I always say this, right?
But it's like, when these people talk, you have to understand that they have an empire mentality where you are slaves to them and they are your rulers.
And if you accept that as a given, now, of course, our whole premise is to reject that as a given, but if you accept that as a given, then what they're saying actually does follow.
If they go, Iran is a threat to the United States of America.
Well, one of us might be like, I mean, they don't have an air force that can reach us.
They don't have a nuclear weapon that then they, if they did, they couldn't deliver it to reach us.
And their army could never invade us.
And they're like, how could they be a threat to the United States of America?
It's like, no, no, no.
See, you're thinking about the geographical region between Mexico and Canada.
That's what you mean by the United States of America.
What they mean is the world empire.
And Iran is a threat to our ability to control Iran.
Like they really, and by that metric, they really are.
They are a threat to that.
And so, and this, by the way, explains a lot of things if you start to understand this.
Putin is a threat to our ability to control Ukraine.
You know, but like, why should we control the border of Russia?
But that's a whole different story.
But so in the same way, it's like, oh, yeah, by that measure, if your goal is to dominate your subjects, then yeah, January 6th is a threat.
And yeah, these parents showing up are terrorists.
But I'll tell you, as I, you know, like my older kid, I have two and my older one is just three years old now.
But at this point, it's a weird thing where like when you have a three-year-old, you almost start having a kid.
Like I've kind of been used to having a baby, but now you're like, oh, no, I have a little kid.
And they start going out into the world more.
And there are like play dates and playgrounds and preschool things are coming up, although not because there was crazy COVID shit.
But, but, you know, so, and you start to realize, you know, you have this thing where it's like, okay, I, I don't have when your kids are babies, you have soul control over their environment.
But once you have to send them out into the world, you have to cede a little bit of that control, which is a very scary thing.
And then you're like, okay, now I need to like really influence what that world is going to be as much as I can.
And to see these parents there, it's like, I get it.
I get where they're like, oh, you're going to mask up my child, scare the shit out of them, try to make them a germaphobe and a self-hating racialist, or from the, you know, minority perspective, like a victimized racialist.
And they're like, no, fuck you.
And I'll tell you, like when the administration calls these people terrorists, it's like, no, they're not terrorists, of course.
But I also do understand these parents, they weren't showing up there like, sir, I really disagree with this curriculum.
They were showing up with the energy, which I completely understand of like, I will fucking drag you through the streets and kill you.
Like, are you kidding me?
You're trying to propagandize my kid while you fucking mask them up and convince them to be a germaphobe.
Like this, that's worth dying over.
And that was the energy a lot of them were bringing there.
And I love it.
I think that's beautiful.
Man, I hope this doesn't get me in trouble on YouTube.
Anyway, but I really do.
Like, I think that it's like, that is, dude, anyone who's got kids can understand that if someone was trying to do that to their kids, yeah, that's where you're going to go with it.
And of course, the corporate press's response is domestic terrorism.
And oh my God, this is so horrible.
Look at them saying mean words to the people propagandizing your children.
I hate how the term gaslighting has come to mean lying or mean anything in popular discourse because the term has a specific meaning.
But this is the specific meaning.
When they tell parents that we don't teach critical race theory in schools, which is technically true because they're not sitting down and teaching race theory, but they're teaching critical race theory concepts and then telling the parents that this is all a lie.
We're not teaching it and you're crazy.
When they see the textbooks in the curricula, it's like, you guys are really so arrogant.
And like you were saying, like you generally think you have a right to rule.
And not only should parents not have an input, but you should like me as the educator, I shouldn't even have to explain myself to you, dopes.
Let me do my job of raising your kids, how they should be raised.
And you could give them a bed and food.
Yeah.
That's literally the mentality.
Yeah.
And the idea that like you're even, you know, if you think about it, and this is, this is what I love about this is that the more, and this is like, I think right at the heart of kind of like anarchist, you know, like the anarchist philosophy or the anarchist insight is that what's unique about the state is not that they like are a violent institution because there are other violent institutions and we tend to call them criminals.
What's unique about the state is their declared and perceived legitimacy.
Like there, there is like, you know, the mafia is the mafia, but we all recognize them as the mafia.
That doesn't mean they might offer you some protection and someone might actually want the mafia protection in some cases if there's other violent criminals around, you know, and that.
But, but what's unique about the state is that they're masquerading as this like human rights organization.
They're like, what are you talking about?
What are the mafia?
No, we hate the mafia.
We're just here for you.
We work for you, you know, and this illusion is how they persist.
And so I think from the anarchist perspective, it's beautiful when the mask slips because that's like kind of their ultimate weapon.
Right.
When we'd like to at least get to a point where everyone recognizes what they are.
And so when the teachers union is just telling you, like, no, these aren't your kids.
You don't get a say.
Yeah.
You're not.
I loved that Terry McCullough made that the center of his gubernatorial race.
That was beautiful.
Because, yeah, I don't think parents should be there telling that.
Like, what?
So your position is what the teachers, you, a union of government workers gets a why should they even get a say in policy?
You're literally, you're supposed to, your whole thing was that they're the people's employees.
And do you know what the political answer would have been?
I think it's great that more parents are taking interest in their kids' education.
We need more of that in Virginia and America.
I would encourage every parent, Republican, Democrat, Independent, sit with your kids, study what they're learning what they're studying, have conversations about them, make them informed citizens.
And that's what makes Virginia so, I mean, the speech just writes itself.
It's just double talk.
And like, come into the classrooms and visit.
Like they're not going to be able to, but like say it.
And that would have mollified all these parents.
And he'd be governor.
Yeah.
If he had said that, he'd be governor.
So it's kind of beautiful.
Like that's almost like sometimes your enemy's errors can be your best ally.
I remember that like is I remember like in the 90s, I think it was.
I tried to look for this recently and I couldn't find it.
But there was a movement among the Senate.
It was either both houses of Congress or the Senate, but the Democrats were trying to make it that votes would be held in secret.
So like when you're voting for a bill, you wouldn't know who'd be voting for them.
And it was such a for it was such a telling example of the mindset because they really resented having to have even the slightest bit of accountability for putting over their bullshit.
Right.
Right.
It's like that's, yeah, that's that.
And that's, I almost in a weird way, like, again, like I was saying before, I love things like that.
I love them trying to get something like that through because that's when you can at least like, then it's like, okay, so look at it.
Do I even need to make my argument now?
I mean, just look at this.
This is happening right in front of you.
And go ahead.
I was just going to say there's something I'm very, very hopeful about because as kind of our there's very little intellectual leadership like in the non-left.
It like you're not finding new ideas from like the Daily Wire.
You're finding a lot of new responses to the latest lefty bullshit.
Yes.
Why this is stupid, why this is wrong.
But in terms of how about this program or let's do this, you're not finding any.
It's going to be cut taxes, deregulate.
Okay, fine.
But there's not innovation.
So whenever like any, like I have like an innovative idea, I'm not, I'm convinced that there's a 5% chance this is actually going to get traction, especially as the audience builds.
And one idea I have, which I'm very excited about, is have the Republicans, when they capture the Senate, put forth a bill that sets a constitutional amendment that sets the Supreme Court at nine members.
And then if the Democrats say we're not voting for this, great.
Declaring A Mutual Ceasefire00:02:51
We're going to pack the court.
Yeah.
It makes perfect sense either way.
That is, that is like brilliant political strategy to just do it, do it like that.
And then be like, hey, you had the chance.
Yeah.
Let's take this off the table permanently.
Let's have a mutual ceasefire.
We're going to be bipartisan.
This has to stop.
What are we going to have 200 Senate Supreme Court members?
Put a constitutional amendment bipartisan.
You need two thirds.
No.
Okay.
Whatever reason you say is no, great.
We're going to fucking fill the Senate.
We're going to fill that house with crazy people with this.
You know, there's something about just as you use the term ceasefire.
And this is something I was talking about a lot, particularly at the beginning of 2021.
I was talking about this a lot on the show.
And I think that really, this is what's so ironic about the national divorce being framed as this like declaration of war.
And you're like, well, it's clearly the opposite.
Right.
It's, it's, it's the whole reason to want a national divorce is because it's like, no, we don't want war.
We want to declare a ceasefire.
Yeah.
That's essentially our goal.
It's like, look, this is, and I really think that that should be right at the heart of what the libertarian and anarchist message in all of this madness is, is that, look, there's only one reasonable answer to all of this, to 2020 and 2021 America.
There's only one reasonable answer, which is like declare a truce.
But you know what I mean?
Like declare a truce, ceasefire.
Okay.
Neither of you are going to win.
You're not going to dominate the other one short of a civil war, which will be brutal and bloody and worse than anything that you're dealing with right now.
And you don't want that.
You might even think you want that.
Some people like to LARP as if they want that, but you don't.
You don't want to hold your buddy's head in your arms while he bleeds out and cries for his mom.
You don't want that.
So here's the only alternative to that is that we stop.
Now, there are several, to me, there are several different versions of what that alternative could look like.
I mean, it could be a, you know, a drastic reduction in the size and scope of the federal government.
It could be mass decentralization.
It could be secession.
It could be a national divorce or something like that.
But all of them are kind of different degrees of the same thing, which is more liberty.
Like that's the only way that this thing doesn't just keep bubbling up and bubbling up.
And it'll, I think that as things get worse and worse in a way, and as tensions get higher and higher and people just get sick of this, and I think there's, there's going to be more people who are open to the idea that it's like, yeah, I just like, I'm tired of fighting over this.
Path To More Liberty00:13:26
How about it's just kind of like, hey, if you're a parent who wants your kid to be taught this kind of like race essentialist, you know, shit and wear masks every day and all of that, it's like, okay.
And you get to go do that to your kid.
Yeah.
We don't all have to have the same thing.
Right.
That's all it is.
It's like, you know what?
I'm not arguing with you.
You want to raise your kids in these schools where they teach you that your little boy is actually a racist girl.
Great.
Yeah, right.
And if your kid thrives as a race, I mean this, that's great.
I mean, like, I'm, by the way, still like, and I'm still opposed to that.
And I still think it's horrible.
And I think that I'm confident enough that that will be such a disaster that my way will win out in the marketplace of, you know, how to raise your kid.
But I'm not going to go to war with someone else for wanting to do that with their kid.
But I would go to war with someone else for trying to force my kids to do that.
So it's like, what do you want to do here?
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And I will say that the other thing I guess is that I know like this has kind of been like right at the heart of your message for a while.
And I know you have this big, the next book that's that's going to be focused around this.
And I would just say that like being white-pilled, being optimistic about the future, that doesn't mean that we are downplaying or ignoring how bad some of the things that are happening are.
It's not that we're not recognizing like, holy shit, cops are actually coming in and terrorizing little kids in a restaurant.
Like there is a huge attempt right now to make these vaccine mandates spread.
Boston and Chicago and all these other places just started adding them.
And they're going to, right now, I think they're desperate.
And you see them kind of acting in that manner.
And so let's like, I'm not downplaying the threat.
This is real.
And things are going to be bad in certain pockets of the country.
But the idea is that like, there's a lot to be optimistic about going forward.
And I just, I thought just the other day, just a couple of days ago, was the 30th anniversary of the day that the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
And I was talking all about that.
I mean, to me, that's like probably the greatest white pill in my life still, even though that's kind of old and probably in yours.
Thanks for spoiling my book, you piece of shit.
Oh, sorry.
Did I come up with it?
So anyway, you guys probably don't even need to buy that.
You know, it's like, I basically gave it to you.
No, well, look, it was just the anniversary.
And that was what a beautiful, what a beautiful moment, you know, to just think that like any, you know, this would have seemed five years earlier.
It would have been like insane for you to think that that could have happened.
And it did.
So give us a little taste, just a little taste of the book.
We'll still buy it.
We're all still going to buy the book.
Well, you just did.
I mean, that's, that's one of the big takeaways, but also just, I mean, like Gerald Ford, moderate Republican, was president and he would refuse, he refused to meet with Soljanitsyn.
Soljanitson, who wrote the Gulag Archipelago, which exposed, you know, the concentration camps and the work camps that the Soviet Union had, which didn't even have the time, which had like, which ended with Khrushchev in the early 50s.
So that was 20 years prior.
He was so uncomfortable with upsetting the Soviets, he wouldn't meet with Soljanitsyn.
Nixon raising a glass, a toast, who was Gerald Ford's predecessor as president, obviously, to Chairman Mao in Moscow in a speech that Pat Buchanan wrote.
And then when Reagan came into, was running for president again in 80, he almost unseated Ford in 76, their entire Republican Party were flipping their shit because the guy's a lunatic and he's clearly going to get us into nuclear war.
And they just scrambled.
The neocons said that the neocons at the time were saying that Reagan has just guaranteed 50 years of dominance by the Soviet Union.
These were the articles that the neocons were writing at the time.
But also we got to get George H.W. Bush, who had like one term as congressman from Texas and was like the head of the CIA.
Who is this guy?
Like he was their alternative and he made a good run for it to the point where Reagan put him on the ticket.
But that's the thing.
It's just like, it's a normalcy bias is really a very stupid, and I mean stupid function of the human mind where people think just because something's been going on for a long time, it's going to go on this way forever.
It's almost like the inversion of Al Gore's hockey stick with the greenhouse gas.
Like, well, temperature has been increasing this much.
So if we extrapolate it, you know, by the year 2020, the average temperature is going to be 300 degrees.
It's like, that's not how things work.
And the same thing, well, it's been this way forever.
So it's going to be this way forever.
That's not how things work either.
And I think people are the human mind doesn't want to do any work, just like the human body.
That's where like writer's block comes from.
That's why when you're at the gym, it's often a slog because your brain is being evolved to expend as little energy as possible.
It wants to preserve that energy.
You know, you have to kind of force it because it's like kind of cost now, benefit later.
So a lot of people don't even want to imagine something better because that's a lot of work to work through that imagination.
Yes.
Well, that's exactly right.
And also, and there's something about this kind of like, you know, specialization and division of labor and all that, where usually no one person does exactly imagine it all.
I mean, you know, because it's like there's a lot of different moving parts and then it all comes together.
But, you know, I've had people just recently on a debate, I've had lots of other people, you know, say to me, but, you know, it's like, well, you know, anarcho-capitalism.
I mean, this has never been done.
This is something, you know, what you can't find one example of this in history.
And look, there are some examples of like anarchism, but usually appealing to those aren't very convincing.
And you're like, well, a thousand years ago in Ireland or something like that.
That's not really going to convince someone, you know, but you can't just kind of go like, okay, but like, I mean, we're talking over the computer that's in front of me and that was never done.
This is all kind of new.
It's really quite something.
I mean, if you could just fast forward from just like 1992, which again, I know seems like forever ago, but really isn't, isn't that long ago?
You know, if you could just like, you know, just 30 years ago, which I remember very vividly, to now, this, what me and you are doing right now is something that was never done.
We're in the middle of doing that.
And it's also anarchist.
Right.
Exactly.
And so it's like the idea that like all of, as we know, right, with all of these like big kind of statist, you know, regimes and institutions and policies, they require tremendous propaganda.
You see that with the COVID regime, the vaccine mandates and, you know, lockdowns and all of this, the Iraq war or any of this stuff, like the amount of propaganda required to sell these things.
And you're like, well, hey, this is pretty new.
This is pretty new that so many people outside of the propaganda machine can now just speak directly to like-minded people or curious people and give them like their thoughts on it.
Well, here's what I think is bullshit about all of that and make really compelling cases.
And one of the things I love, and I think this is something why I think this is a big part of why my show has gained so much traction over the last few years is that it's like people, I know they say Americans have a short attention span or a short memory and all that, but it's like, I don't think my audience really does.
And I think that like the people start to build up a track record and they start to go like, oh, look, dude, I'll, I'll put my, I just played on the show the other day a clip of Rachel Maddow, you know, and what she was saying about the vaccine came out.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, in March.
And she goes, we know if you get vaccinated, you can't get the virus and you can't transmit the virus and all this.
It's like, I'll put what I've been saying up against her.
You know, I'll put, you know, like any of like the shit I said about the Trump-Russia collusion hoax or the whole lockdown bullshit or the mask mandates or like any of the vaccines, any of this shit.
I'll put this up against these guys.
And I think people see that and they're like, oh, yeah, this guy's got a way better track record.
Not just that I made a good philosophical argument, but also when it comes to like what's really happening, like people see like, oh, there's actual answers to these crises.
And here's also a big sea change because when we were kids, the big argument on among conservatives used to be, we have to beat the liberals.
We have to beat the liberals.
This is why they still want Mitch McConnell to be Senate majority leader.
Like, well, he's better than Chuck Schumer, which from their perspective is true, but it's like one of my polls.
I mean, neither of these people can be said with a straight face to care about you or represent you.
And now it's become, why do you want to wait?
Why do I want to beat them?
I just want to, I don't care what, I no longer care what these people are saying.
I just want all, I don't feel this need to engage with them and prove them wrong and defeat them.
I no longer am listening to any of their bullshit because I know it's all bullshit.
And that I think is a huge sea change.
A big example of this is the gun rights issue.
Because I remember, let's say, 10 years ago, there'd be some school shooting and then everyone, all about the usual suspects, blah, blah, blah, gun, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then there'd be arguments against it.
And now I think it was after that Florida shooting with Nicholas Cruz and he shot up all those kids.
And the next day, it's like, what was it called?
March Against, I forgot what that march with that girl and all those kids.
March for our lives or something like that.
March for our lives.
And it's like, all right, enough is enough.
We're going to have to have gun legislation come on.
And all the polls, 80% of Americans think the Second Amendment doesn't.
And the gun rights people were like, yeah, nah.
And it wasn't even a debate.
That's what was beautiful.
It's like, we're not doing it.
I don't, I like, this sucks with your school, but I don't care.
And that, I think, is a massive shift in the right direction.
We're not having this argument.
You're not arguing good faith.
This would have been your conclusion regardless.
I don't care what you have to say.
And that's exactly what it should be.
Like, that's exactly like, that's my, I think it was when our last show or one of our last shows together, where I was talking about that, like, that's the beauty of the Declaration of Independence, which is still the greatest document ever written in American history, way better than the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution for sure, or the Bill of Rights or any of that.
The Declaration of Independence is the best.
It's just like, we find it self-evident that we're free and go fuck yourself.
Yeah.
And we find it self-evident that God says that.
Yeah.
Now, like the actual argument, the actual argument that it is self-evident that there is a God and he wants me to be free is not the soundest argument.
I mean, I'll grab that.
I even kind of believe it, but I don't think it's the soundest argument to be like, well, it's obvious.
I mean, like, it's self-evident, Michael.
Like, God wants me to be free.
But I love just declaring that.
Here's my declaration.
It's self-evident that God wants me to be free and fuck you.
And I got guns.
So what do you want to do?
And like, we're ready to use them.
There's something just brilliant about that.
It's like, no, I'm not arguing with you about why I should be free.
And that's the nature, I think, of rights, of natural rights.
It's like, no, you shouldn't like, you shouldn't ever be in a position where you're like, I want to explain to you why I have a right for you to not kill me.
Like, can we have a conversation about this?
Yeah.
It's like, no, I'm telling you.
This is non-negotiable.
And that's it.
And this is like nothing that we're not here to have a discussion about this.
It's like, try and I will hurt you.
And that's like, almost like should be the mentality.
Yeah.
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Something beautiful about that.
All right.
I'm going to ask you in a version of your last question, but this doesn't have to be a quick rack rap.
Okay.
You could, you could give a few answers to this.
But Michael Malice, what has been your favorite part of 2021?
You can give me a couple of things if you want to.
What are you moments, personal moments, things you've done, personal life, political stuff, whatever you want?
That's a great question.
First of all, moving to Austin, because I forgot what it was like to have a big crew and to have a social life and a social life where you could go places and do things.
And to live in a city where lots of people are coming through and seeing them all.
That is something I missed.
And I'm very excited that I've regained.
The enormous success of the anarchist handbook is obviously way up there.
Politically, to watch the enormous, and I'm taking some credit for this, sea change of conservatives turning on the police, which again, as you and I know, would have been ridiculous two years ago, is a major one.
Watching Joe Biden as president and just him being complete buffoon and it's just been hilarious.
And watching like corporate, like cathedral operatives explicitly talk about we don't know what's going on, we don't know what to do.
That to me is beautiful.
And it reminds me of spoiler alert, the climax of like Atlas Shrugged, where they're talking to one of the characters and they're like, all right, make the system work.
And they're like, okay, you just have to give up all these regulations.
And they're like, well, we can't do that.
It's like, all right.
So it's like, with like these corporate media outlets, it's like, just stop lying.
Well, okay.
Okay.
Mr. Radical Moon, January 1st, 60.
It's a great catch 22.
Yeah.
So all these things, I think, are have been like great moments for me in 2021.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also watching Liz Cheney be like completely humiliated by and publicly.
I don't think I've ever seen any member of either party had the party turn to them so hard, other than like Jim Trafficant, who got like arrested for bribes.
But the fact that the Wyoming Republicans are like, you're not a Republican, like a declaration, like things like that, it's just hilarious.
Yeah.
And meanwhile, their senator is like hardcore, awesome on like Bitcoin and all this shit.
Like, she's great.
And the thing is, I really want to make this clear to people.
It's not just that I think Liz Cheney is a disgusting, repulsive person inside and out, and that she literally looks just like Miss Piggy.
There's a lot of issues where there's like two sides and so on and so forth, taxes, regulation.
For me, and I know this is your big issue, when it comes to war, I'm not, this is not two sides.
No, no, when you're talking about chosen wars, where there's not, we're not talking about like Pearl Harbor, whatever, which even that I can, you know, people like all this, right?
When you're talking about we're sending U.S. troops to friggin Syria, which means lots of people who we armed, lots of people dying.
I'm not talking to you and I'm not going to regard you as a decent person with a rational moral perspective.
You are the enemy of civilization, or at least the enemy of my country.
Yeah.
The enemy of humanity.
You're talking about slaughtering women and children.
I mean, let's get real.
That's that's what this is in real terms.
And I'm not, I'm not going to dress this up and use euphemisms and like make it sound like this is a policy disagreement about, well, there's been some collateral damage.
It's like, no, you're a monster.
And that's like, that's the reality of this situation.
That's exactly right.
And I also, I do feel that way about like the COVID regime in general, too.
Like you're talking about ruining children.
Oh, and one more thing also, I got to say as a side note, watching that snake be driven from the head of the Libertarian Party and me getting to call him out on Tim Poole and then him blocking me the next day.
And then all of these people who act like they have the moral high ground, but they act behind closed doors in such slimy, illegal, probably illegal, snake-like ways.
He deleted all his emails and so on and so forth.
Stuff like that is just something I enjoy.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I enjoy that too.
And believe me, if you enjoy that stuff, it's going to be really fun over the next few months when we really, you know, take this party and transform it into something that it really should be, which is what the third, the, the libertarian third party should be, which is, you know, libertarian.
I don't think that's that crazy of a desire to ask for.
Let me ask you this, and then we'll wrap up and we'll get out of here.
Do you obviously, I can tell, and I'm really so thrilled.
Like it warms my heart.
I know that you really are happy moving to Austin and that it's just been great.
And of course, who wouldn't be happy?
It really is almost in modern day.
I mean, I'm not equating the two, but if I were to make a comparison, it's like crossing from like east to west Berlin or something like, you know, there's within the modern American context, I don't know what else you could compare it to.
It's literally going from like a slave state to a free state and being like, oh, look, I can live a life now.
Do you mourn New York City at all?
I've talked to a lot of people.
I'm rooting for Omicron.
You're rooting for Omicron.
Yeah.
You want it taken down.
Yeah, I want New York.
People often ask me, are there any issues you've changed your mind about?
And I agree now with like Bronze Age perverts slogan of raise the cities.
Like, I'm absolutely hoping for like lots of strife in New York City.
So I disagree with you on that one.
I really do.
Like I still mourn it.
I still mourn the loss and I wish it still was what it was.
Even just to be able to visit at times.
No, I feel because I've lived in New York all my life, as you know, since I was two.
I really feel like I left a very violent, abusive relationship.
And I still am in a very angry place at what I was trained to believe is not only acceptable, but inevitable.
Yeah.
Oh, look, I certainly understand your perspective.
And it's just one thing, like just when you leave New York and you watch this footage on the subway of people acting like complete pieces of crap and everyone just sitting there scared, pretending not to notice.
And as New Yorkers, we just kind of shrug.
And then you're like, because, you know, like you someone, again, like you leave abusive relationships, like, how'd you let him hit you the second time?
And like the person's like, I don't, I don't know.
And it's like, how did it get to the point where people are just blasting their music and assaulting people in the street?
And everyone's just like, well, it's the price you pay for living in a big city.
No, it's not.
Yeah.
Like, why should it be?
Why would you ever like get to the point where you just accept this as reality?
Yeah.
No, look, I agree with you on that.
But I do, it's one of the things that still like, I was back in this before Omicron or whatever.
I guess it was just like Delta, the spike that was supposed to happen that never did.
But when I was back in the city for a little bit, because my boy was, you know, in the hospital there, it was like, it was kind of nice in a weird way to be like, oh, I'm back and like kind of going to some of the places I used to go to.
But it was, I don't know, man.
There's something so, there's something really profoundly painful about it.
It's, it's hard to explain that this vibrant city that I loved, watching it almost like, it's almost out of a movie where like, it's like New York City was buried in the pet cemetery and get 12 monkeys.
Yeah.
And you're like, this is not, this is not what it was.
It doesn't have the soul that it had.
Right.
And it's, uh, it's, it's really sad to see that.
I'm still, I, I am still heartbroken over what's happened to that city.
Um, but anyway, but hey, all that white pill stuff.
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So I just wanted to make that point real quick.
All right, brother.
Well, look, we've, we've, we've both had good years, you know, despite all this stuff going on.
I know for you professionally, uh, this has been the best year you've ever had.
And what you did with the anarchist handbook and all the other stuff, I mean, you've done a million huge shows, but particularly with that really kind of like became this thing that I think none of us could have exactly predicted that it took off into being what it was.
And I was honored to read one of the chapters for the audiobook, which I think is all out now, right?
It's anarchistaudiobook.com.
Yeah.
All right.
So go there and check it out.
I know a lot of people really like audiobooks.
So that's, if you haven't, if you didn't get the copy of it, go grab the audio book.
And I think I am very optimistic about what 2022 is going to bring us.
And I know me and you will have a whole bunch of conversations about it as it all unfolds.
So happy new year, my brother, and have a good one.
Take care.
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