Dave Smith and Robbie Bernstein argue that "wokeism" is a CIA-engineered distraction from the military-industrial complex, citing recruitment videos and John Brennan's rhetoric. They critique the movement's religious narcissism while analyzing DOJ overreach against Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani, contrasting these actions with the no-fly list placed on Nick Fuentes. Ultimately, the hosts assert that libertarians must oppose all government power abuses, including identity politics and extrajudicial measures, to expose true state violence rather than accepting manufactured culture wars. [Automatically generated summary]
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Corporate Wokeism Divide and Conquer00:07:20
All right, let's start this show.
We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
You're listening to part of the problem on the Gas Digital Network.
Here's your host, Dave Smith.
What's up, everybody?
Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I'm the most consistent motherfucker you know, the libertarian Tupac, Dave Smith, and I am joined by my survivalist co-host who has gone off the grid, living in a log cabin, Robbie the Fire Bernstein, king of the caulks.
What's up, my brother?
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I'm rich, bitch.
Wouldn't that be amazing if you just became a billionaire this week?
Or you're like, yeah, I put $100,000 when it was 10 cents, and now it's fucking 25 cents.
I have it on good authority.
Next week is when the mRNAs take a turn, people's dicks start falling off, and I just want to be away from it all.
So I'm bunking up here for a couple, at least another week.
There is no sound science to conclusively prove that people's dicks won't fall off next week.
I choose my wording very carefully on that, but I stand by it.
All right, so we've been, our schedule has been a little bit messed up this week.
I do apologize to the listeners for that, but a lot of cool stuff is happening.
And you might just get some extra content out of me in the next couple days, maybe on a large platform.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Just keep your ears to the interwebs and see what's happening.
But there are a few things that I really wanted to talk about with you, Robbie Bernstein, and with that dog.
I wanted to get him involved.
He's got good points.
If possible, I like his anger is justified.
So one of the things that we have been talking about for quite a while on this show is the wokeism, corporate wokeism, government pushing wokeism on the American people.
And I think we've been talking about this from a kind of different perspective than most.
And one of the things that we've really been hammering home is how this is not just some left-wing ideology.
This is not just something that developed in the universities, although it is that.
But it's also the real phenomenon is that it has been pounced on by the government and all of its giant crony corporations and has really been pushed to a just unbelievable level over really over the last decade.
But it started, it creeped kind of slowly.
It was really in Obama's second term when it took off and then just went absolutely crazy during the Trump years.
And we've been suggesting that libertarians should reject wokeism.
All normal people should reject wokeism.
And that libertarians particularly should not only reject it, but should see it for the corporate plot that it is.
I think it's a sales pitch.
Like one of the benefits of giving more control over to the government is that they can claim that I guess they can do a better job of wealth distribution or propping out marginalized communities.
It comes at a loss to us, but the sales pitch is, hey, look at these things that we can do for you if we control the economy.
Now, we're all going to end up worse off, but it's a good marketing claim.
Well, right.
So if you look at it this way, right?
If you'd say you had the, and this is kind of, you know, just a kind of rushed version of my overall kind of thesis on this.
But if you'd look at the left, say, 15 years ago, and they're protesting and outraged about the war in Iraq, right?
They really hate that the government lied us into this bullshit war.
A very left-wing thing to be against.
They didn't realize how much we were helping women, though.
Well, that's right.
If they had just known that then.
If only we had explained to them, you know?
But so this is where they're, and that's very easy for the left-wing to be opposed to.
You know, I mean, it's a war of imperialism, war for oil.
It's being led by a Republican president, George W. Bush.
Very easy thing for left-wingers to hate, and rightfully so.
And if you look at the left 10 years ago, they're standing outside the big banks screaming, we are the 99% and all of this stuff, right?
So if you just looked at America, you know, broad brush, you know, broad strokes here, right?
If you looked at the right half of America and the left half of America, well, the left half of America is very likely to oppose wars and corporatism and corporate bailouts and corporate welfare, all this stuff, right?
So what you see is all of the sudden, right on the heels of Occupy Wall Street, that all of these big corporations start really pushing this left-wing language of being anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, you know, all of this stuff to an obsessive level.
And of course, I'm sure at this point, pretty much everyone's seen like the Nexus charts of where the talk of systemic racism and, you know, toxic masculinity and like all these buzz woke terms just skyrockets up.
And it's not as if the problem skyrocketed and then they were reporting on it.
This was pushed out.
And I'm not talking about mom and pop news companies.
I'm talking about the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and all of these, you know, the giant corporate press apparatus started pushing this.
Politicians started pushing it.
It became this thing.
And what it does in effect, whether or not you agree that this is a plot, what it does in effect is it buys off a large portion of the left half of America and pits the left half of America against the right half of America as the enemy.
Rather than giant corporations or the military industrial complex being the enemy, now the enemy is that Trump supporter who, you know, has politically incorrect thoughts or whatever.
You know, that's who the real enemy is.
And it's a real, like they really mind fucked left-wingers into believing that some, you know, white Trump supporting janitor who, you know, whatever, has some, I don't know, maybe even racist or sexist views, maybe not even racist or sexist views, but just politically incorrect.
And you can call them racist or sexist views.
Intersectional Existence Beyond Boxes00:03:17
That that guy is the real enemy and that he actually represents the power structure because the power structure is all about, you know, white supremacy or something like that.
And he is participating in it.
And this message is very conveniently being pushed by like Bank of America, that this guy represents the real power structure.
So it serves as a distraction from all of the real power imbalances, all of the real violations of humanity.
And at the same time, it pits Americans against each other in a culture war.
So it's a distraction and a divide and conquer strategy.
But as overwhelming as the case that I've been laying out over the last few months has been, just to try to help me further, the CIA entered to really just solidify the point that this is in fact exactly what's going on.
Let's roll the tape.
When I was 17, I quoted Zora Neale Hurston's How It Feels to Be Colored Me in my college application essay.
The line that spoke to me stated simply, I am not tragically colored.
There is no sorrow dammed up in my soul nor lurking behind my eyes.
I do not mind at all.
At 17, I had no idea what life would bring, but Sora's sentiment articulated so beautifully how I felt as a daughter of immigrants then and now.
Nothing about me was or is tragic.
I am perfectly made.
I can wax eloquent on complex legal issues in English while also belting guayaquil de misamores in Spanish.
I can change a diaper with one hand and console a crying toddler with the other.
I'm a woman of color.
I am a mom.
I am a cisgender millennial who's been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder.
I am intersectional, but my existence is not a box checking exercise.
I am a walking declaration, a woman whose inflection does not rise at the end of her sentences, suggesting that a question has been asked.
I did not sneak into CIA.
My employment was not and is not the result of a fluke or slip through the cracks.
I earned my way in and I earned my way up the ranks of this organization.
I am educated, qualified, and competent.
And sometimes I struggle.
I struggle feeling like I could do more, be more to my two sons.
And I struggle leaving the office when I feel there's so much more to do.
I used to struggle with imposter syndrome, but at 36, I refuse to internalize misguided patriarchal ideas of what a woman can or should be.
I am tired of feeling like I'm supposed to apologize for the space I occupy rather than intoxicate people with my effort, my brilliance.
I am proud of me.
Full stop.
My parents left everything they knew and loved to expose me to opportunities they never had.
Because of them, I stand here today a proud first generation Latina and officer at CIA.
I am unapologetically me.
I want you to be unapologetically you, whoever you are.
Know your worth.
Command your space.
Mija, you're worth it.
The Real Meat of the Issue00:04:50
That's a great little video advertisement at the bottom, by the way.
After that, YouTube's like, if you like this, you might also like this former KGB officer breaking down cultural Marxism.
That's pretty funny.
Okay, so look, there's a lot in that little ad.
And this is getting rightfully just they're getting raked for putting this out.
But I think that at the very least, wouldn't this be enough to convince every good libertarian out there or everyone who just opposes the military industrial complex to at least, which includes a lot of left-wingers, to at least be a little bit skeptical about how this woke shit is being used, right?
Like I'm not even saying that that would itself be conclusive that you have to be against it, but wouldn't that be conclusive enough to say like, all right, if the organization that literally tortures people, lies us into war, you know, interferes in foreign elections, like assassinates people, if they're trying to convince us that this is,
you know, they're so woke and inclusive and all of this, isn't this enough to be like, yeah, this is trickery at work here, right?
Like this is not a genuine message by the CIA.
And so you would think that this would be enough to let you know it's like, okay, at least see what's going on here because it's pretty obvious.
And it's also a very good tool for social control because since it's not scientific and nothing can ever be proven or really argued, it's very easy to just point to someone and say, hey, you don't fall into what we deem as being woke enough and therefore you can't get a loan or you can't work at this job.
So it is a pretty good tool for people looking to control society as there's no way to argue with it.
It doesn't stand in reason.
Yeah.
And another thing, one more thing that I would point out to libertarians is that John Brennan, the former director of this wonderfully woke organization, he put you, libertarians, on the list of domestic terrorists, didn't he?
Right.
So again, just keep that in mind too, that you can try to get into this game of competing over who's the wokiest.
But those people who are pushing this message very clearly by their own admission see you as the enemy.
And in many ways, that makes sense, because if you look at it from their perspective, you are the enemy.
You are, I mean, if your goal is to abolish the CIA and roll back the military industrial complex, then yeah, you are their enemy.
In some weird perverse sense, they're not completely wrong.
Do you think this video works on 22, 23, 24-year-olds where they see this and they go, oh, look, the CIA is interested in the woke agenda.
Actually, the CIA must be a good organization.
Do they fall for this?
You know, I don't know necessarily that Sure, there's a percentage of them who do.
I mean, clearly by the CIA's estimation, they wouldn't put this out unless they thought it would work.
But what I think it ends up doing, right, is it almost distracts from the CIA, the actual CIA, even being the topic of conversation.
And I think this is what they've really mastered.
Like she's there with that picture with Gina Haspell, you know, this torturer who runs the division.
And it's like, oh, look, a woman and a woman of color.
And that's what we're focusing on.
And then, you know, they kind of get into this fight over the right wing, you know, being mad about the wokeism.
And then them being like, well, that's proof that you're a bigot and this.
And now the fight is all over bigotry.
And it has nothing to do with the torture program.
Like, that's not what we're talking about anymore when that's what we really should be fighting about.
It's like, whoa, that's, we have a secret torture agency.
That's the real meat of the of the issue here, right?
It's like you guys lied us into wars.
That's the real meat of the issue.
But instead now, we're talking about whether this chick, you know, it's like, oh, I have imposter syndrome too.
And yeah, I also have anxiety.
So I can totally relate to this woman.
And oh, you're just not sensitive to people who have imposter syndrome or whatever.
You know, it's like, so it's, it's like, it's a brilliant distraction.
If you can get a group of transgender people to do all the torturing, like we reopened Gitmo, but it's run with like an elite unit of transgender people.
And then you're not allowed to criticize it because you're really just anti, you know, people's identity or whatever they claim.
And now, again, and now the whole conversation becomes about bigotry.
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I don't think you should torture other people and lie Americans into war.
That's that issue just goes away.
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Toxic Woke Culture Explained00:15:37
The other thing about, you know, the, the, the woke shit is so, it's like such a toxic mentality.
And it's really awful that like, first of all, I don't believe that this woman actually believes any of this.
I don't believe the CIA believes any of this.
These are spies.
There's no like these spooks aren't telling you what they're the truth.
Also, that lady's put on some weight since she started that job, so it can't be that good of a job.
Oh, no.
People that got stress-free, good jobs, they still look good.
No, I don't know.
You eat good at the CIA.
It's a nice job, sweet pension, I'd imagine.
But there are these things that are like, you know, one of the things that's just really destructive about wokeism is that they push these ideas on young people that are truly toxic.
I'm truly like to see yourself as just an identity of checking boxes.
Now, I know in the video, she says, I'm not just checking boxes after checking all of these boxes, but that's exactly what it is.
You know, the true spirit of individualism and of the true, to me, the true opposite of bigotry and racial prejudice and all of this stuff is individualism, right?
And that doesn't, it's not, individualism is not saying like, oh, you like, well, I'm an individual because I'm a, you know, a daughter of immigrants who's a woman of color with anxiety disorder with this and that.
True individualism is recognizing that me, a Jewish kid from Brooklyn, might have more in common with, you know, a woman of color who's the daughter of immigrants who has anxiety disorder than that woman would have with another woman of color who's the daughter of immigrants with anxiety disorder.
That these are just random boxes and that there's near infinite boxes to check off about that what really make you the individual that you are.
And the truth is that, right?
Like if I was sitting down and having a conversation with, I don't know, so I'm Jewish and I'm from Brooklyn.
And if I was having a conversation with some other Jewish guy from Brooklyn who's a dentist, or I was having a conversation with some, you know, like Indian dude from Minneapolis, who's also a stand-up comedian, I'd probably have a lot more in common with that dude because I don't know anything.
You know what I mean?
Like his whole, like we're doing the same thing in our life, kind of.
How long can I talk molars for?
Yeah, right, exactly.
How long?
It's like, oh, what are you going to fucking rip me off again?
You know, can you get me a better price than my dentist?
Because it's pretty goddamn expensive.
But you know what I'm saying?
So like all of this stuff is just, it's so toxic to like reduce everybody's humanity down to these different groups, which then of course leads to pitting them against each other.
The other thing that I just, oh my God, I hate.
And I just think it's truly, it's like borderline abusive that they push this shit on young people, particularly at the universities, is the like, the just insane narcissism of all of it.
Like she refers to herself as perfectly made at one point in the video and then references her brilliance.
And you're like, I don't know, like even if you are a really brilliant person, if you start talking about my brilliance, it's It's just an ugly quality.
Whatever happened to like a shred of modesty?
It's just horrible.
But anyway, all of this is the stuff that they get you distracted about.
Although it's not purely a distraction because it is really toxic ideas.
And the fact that they're pushing it on young people is really incredibly destructive.
But why would the CIA be pushing this?
What other reasonable answer is there than this is their way to throw fuel on the culture war to buy off the left with this bullshit pandering and to pit Americans against each other.
This clearly plays right into their agenda.
And this is why the woke shit is so toxic.
They get people to spend enormous amounts of energy and the finite resource that is outrage.
They get you to spend enormous amounts of that on things that just don't really matter, that shouldn't really matter.
And in fact, the true spirit of being against racial prejudice and all this stuff would be that they don't matter that much, right?
It shouldn't matter that much whether you're a man or a woman or whether you're a woman of color or a white woman or whether, you know, like all this shit.
This just shouldn't matter.
All that should matter is like what you bring to the table, what your skill set is, how hard you work, how smart you are, all of these things.
That's what should.
So instead, we're obsessed over all of this shit that doesn't matter.
And what gets swept away is what actually matters, which is like, what is the CIA fucking doing?
Why do we even have a CIA?
Have they been a net positive or a net negative to humanity?
They don't want to have that conversation.
And I also think one of the nice things which you were talking about, the narcissism of it, is that if you invest yourself in the woke thing, you can just see yourself as being morally superior.
And so these talking points of how great I am for being me, you're kind of contributing to that moral code.
And so, you know what I mean?
So like that's, it's almost like a religion where you're like, no, this is part of the way that we're supposed to talk and feel about ourselves.
So as long as I contribute towards that, like I'm helping everybody out.
And I actually think that the CIA's move here, if the CIA has these talking points, if the government's putting money into this talking point from the media, then all of a sudden it seems very, very real.
That's the way the propaganda machine works.
Did I freeze there or did you?
Your thing froze up a little bit for me, but I heard you the whole time.
So I think that's a...
Cool.
Well, then my points were excellent.
Your points were excellent.
Well, it is a religion.
You're absolutely right.
It is a religion.
And what you're getting at is part of the reason why it's so intoxicating for so many people.
But it's really poisonous shit.
But yeah, it's intoxicating.
It's intoxicating to be able to, you know, kind of feed your own inner narcissism this way and to not feel like you have to, you know, develop this self-worth in some other more productive way, that you can just derive it from your wokeism.
And you see this all over the place.
You see the sense of moral superiority that people who buy into this shit get, whether it's when they're building themselves up, talking about their own struggles as if these are a badge of honor.
You know, I'm not saying that you shouldn't have sympathy for somebody who struggles with anxiety or has any of these other problems, but it's certainly not a badge of honor.
It should not be something you brag about.
You know, it's not, this isn't an achievement.
It's great if you can overcome that.
But if you really overcome that, then, you know, you probably don't have to talk about it that much.
Good luck being an anxious person at the CIA.
Wouldn't you love seeing some kid like me?
He goes, gets a job there.
They're yelling at him.
He's like, but I'm an anxious person.
That's why I came here.
I thought you were understanding.
You're really triggering my anxiety right now.
You go, all right, we've got the operative located and we have to decide the wrong kids.
Yeah, okay, well, I sure did, but you know what?
This is all a very anxiety-producing situation when you're blaming me for drone bombing the wrong kids.
But the other thing that gives people a real sense of superiority is that what wokeism allows you to do is attack the other for being, you know, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, whatever the thing is.
And that's why you see them spend the vast majority of their energy doing that.
It's ironically, they're giving into the exact same low human impulse that is what people really reject about racism of the past.
This is why they enter into, you know, virtual, you know, mobs and you have these like kind of Twitter lynchings.
You know what I mean?
It's like you're not rejecting the spirit of past bigotry.
You're just using it in a different direction.
You are a part of the same impulse that you claim to be opposing.
So anyway, it's, you know, Michael Tracy, he tweeted, and I really liked this the way he said it.
He said something along the lines of, he goes, I'm not saying that wokeism is a CIA plot.
I'm not saying wokeism was all a CIA plot, but it would make a lot of sense if it was.
And I do think that libertarians, when you see this very concerted effort to push a certain narrative coming out of the CIA and the Pentagon and the executive branch and the legislative branch and all of the corporate press.
And I mean, are we not allowed to suspect that possibly this is somewhat coordinated, that possibly there's an agenda here?
I mean, like, what do you think?
Like, do you think like when we wanted to, you know, invade Iraq or when we wanted to, you know, whatever, lock down the economy for COVID, that it's just always a complete coincidence that everybody in the corporate press seems to catch the same fever?
Or is it possible that there's coordination going on here, that there's a structure in place, that there are actually people at the top of it who are knowing, you know, agents who are, you know, making decisions that this is the course of action that we want to take.
And I don't know.
To me, it just seems like pretty hard to deny at a certain point that this is what's going on.
It's at the very least, it's a reason for anybody who opposes the military-industrial complex to really reevaluate some of this shit.
And what a lot of people will say, and this is why I try to hit on the point that this is not, it's not about the spirit of opposing bigotry.
That's not what it's about.
In fact, this has much more in common with the spirit of bigotry than the spirit of opposing it.
Because that is one of the kind of brilliant tactics of wokeism.
It's the same way that they call Antifa calls themselves anti-fascist.
So what are you if you start really opposing Antifa now?
Hmm.
Oh, okay.
So I guess you're the fascist.
And then you have to sit there and be like, well, no, I actually think you have a lot more in common with the fascists than I do.
And that's why I'm against you.
And it puts you into this position where it's hard.
It's not as concise and as easy of a pitch as what they have.
And so what they already, you know, start to create with the woke shit is, you know, so we're obsessed with hunting, you know, what we call racism and what we call sexism and homophobia and all these things.
Like we're obsessively seeing it everywhere.
And therefore, if you're against what we're doing, well, what side are you on then?
We're on the anti-racism side.
So if you're on the other side, you must be on the racism side.
But if you're like an adult with an IQ over 80, you can look at this and say, well, no, that's actually not what's going on here.
And the people who are opposing this shit aren't necessarily promoting racism.
We might just really hate the CIA.
Does the CIA even have a recruitment problem?
I would venture to guess that most jobs at the NSA and CIA are not because people go to the website and apply to work there.
Now, I don't know how they isolate certain individuals as being incredibly intelligent and being good prospects to work there.
But I'd also venture to guess that a 24-year-old's in college, I can only, like even myself, if you found me as a 24-year-old, 23-year-olds coming out of college and the CIA wanted to dine me, I'd be like, yeah, that sounds like a cool job.
And then once you're in the system as a kid, I don't really think you, you know what I mean?
You learn how to validate your own actions.
So over time, you just kind of buy into whatever their agenda is.
And maybe the rare individual realizes, hey, I don't think we're actually helping people here and leaves.
But I think if they get you that young, you probably buy in.
So I'm going to venture to guess that this is not a legitimate recruitment effort.
And it's purely for show and propaganda to play into the importance of, you know, the woke agenda.
Yeah.
Something tells me the CIA isn't hiring the same way Starbucks does.
Like I think there's a slight difference between the two outfits.
So yeah, I mean, look, I was talking about this a little bit with Michael Heiss on the last podcast, but it's also, you know, it's important, I think, for anybody who's trying to rein in the real corruption of government to recognize, at least recognize how this tool is being used.
And the fact that you've divided, like, like to me, I look at it like, you know, people use the term, I talked about this a little bit on the last episode, but people use the term cultural Marxism.
And I don't love the term.
I don't use it a lot because I think it's imprecise and it gives a lot of people the impression that you're talking about something which isn't what I really want to talk about.
But it's important to note that this is not Marxism.
I mean, it's not that these giant corporations are really preaching, you know, government owning the means of production and then withering away to a stateless, classless society.
That's not what they're about.
These are corporatists who are promoting fascism.
However, they are using this technique, this tool.
And what it is about is making people see the world through the lens of oppressed versus oppressor down racial, gender, and sexual orientation lines.
And that everything needs to be viewed through white people as the oppressor, everybody else is the oppressed, men as the oppressor, women as the oppressed, straights as the oppressors, gays as the oppressed.
And the problem purely from the libertarian standpoint is that that is not our major distinction in society.
In fact, there might be some times where those are accurate, but many times they're not at all.
I mean, like the aside from even the libertarian perspective, but just the real life perspective is like, sometimes women oppress men.
Sometimes blacks oppress whites, sometimes gays oppress straits, and sometimes the other way around, you know, but life is a complicated, messy mix of all of this stuff.
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But the libertarian, like true dividing, you know, line in society, if we wanted to look at different classes of oppressor and oppressed, our vision, our belief system is that the lines are those initiating violence against others and those who are not.
Those are the oppressor versus oppressed.
Now, there are other more gray areas that are, you know, people can be victims and that, you know, where people didn't violate the non-aggression principle or whatever.
But if we want to draw a very clear line of what we would say is the oppressor class versus the oppressed, we're talking about those who impose their will violently on others and those who aid those people to do it versus the innocent victims.
And that gets very confused and muddied when you've got people just looking at things through this other lens.
And this is why that they're able to effectively say, oh, hey, yeah, well, look, Joe Biden is hiring all these women of color.
Okay.
So that's, I mean, really, if the great oppression is from straight white men to, you know, women of color or something like that, right?
Then, okay, I mean, he's doing a lot to clean that up.
But if the real oppression is between those who initiate violence against peaceful people and those peaceful people, then you go, I don't care who's getting in there to initiate violence against peaceful people.
Joe Biden's the architect of all of the worst policies in modern American history.
So, right?
So it's like two different ways to view the world and ours is much better.
So we don't need to buy into this shit.
We've got our own, you know, analysis for society.
And this one is devastating.
It's like having a criticism shield.
As long as you have a black, gay, lesbian, Latino around you, it's like a perfect shield.
No criticism.
Doesn't matter what you do.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly right.
And because, and the truth is that the way I look at it is that I think that most people on the left in the broad sense of the word left, like most people, and the liberals included in this.
So I'm saying almost if you took the left half of the country, you know, like everybody center left all the way to very left.
They I think they have very weak immunity to this type of stuff.
Like just naturally, I think that they really, like it's a very small percentage of people who actually believe the woke agenda, very small percentage.
It's like even the big corporations, they don't actually believe it.
The people who actually believe it are like, you know, basically a handful of college professors and some of their young, impressionable students.
You know, those are the people who really buy it.
But then the large swath of the rest of the left half of America, they're just very, it's very effective propaganda against them because so much of their identity is rooted in being against the racism of the past and against the sexism of the past and all of this stuff.
And yes, it's not, the past history is not as black and white as left-wingers would, you know, have you believe, particularly with the sexism stuff.
But there is truth to it.
And particularly with the racism stuff, there's really a lot of truth to it.
I mean, no one's going to deny, no sane person is going to deny that black people were just outrageously mistreated for hundreds of years in the United States of America.
Right.
And so if a huge part of your identity is being against that, being like, no, we are against that past racism.
And then they're able to frame this thing where like you're either in this woke camp or you're on the racist side.
A lot of people, it just robs so much of their identity to be on that side.
And this is a big part of the reason why the anti-war movement was crushed under Barack Obama.
Because it was just too hard for so many liberals and left-wingers in America to be vehemently opposed to the first black president, especially the first black charismatic, charming, you know, handsome president.
That was just too hard for them to oppose because it was so much more intoxicating to their identity to be like, I'm all in with this because this is, we're healing our racial history and all this other stuff, right?
And so part of that, you know, it's like you don't want to just dunk on these people.
You want to at least acknowledge like there's a kernel of goodness to all of that.
Yeah, you do, you do want to be against slavery and Jim Crow and all that stuff.
It was horrific, right?
But they got to find a way or we got to find a way to help them not be boxed in by this shit because this is just this is just bonkers and destructive and toxic.
And it's a real distraction from what good left-wingers should care about.
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So I was arguing with someone on Twitter today, some liberal guy who's like talking about, you know, talking about trickle-down economics and tax cuts for the rich.
And he was saying something about how awful tax cuts for the rich are.
And I just said to him, I go, well, if tax cuts for the rich are bad, then giving taxpayer money to the rich must be much worse, right?
And he was like, yeah, yeah, I'm against corporate welfare too.
And I was like, or he said, he goes, yeah, well, if you're trying to get me to say corporate welfare is bad, sure.
And I was like, no, no, no.
I'm not trying to get you to say it's bad.
I'm trying to get you to say it's much worse.
Doesn't it have to be?
Like, by your own logic, if you think not taxing big corporations is bad, because in some theoretical model, you think that when we tax those people, we would then give it back to the people who need it more, right?
If that's the general idea, well, wouldn't it, by definition, have to be much worse to tax the people who need it more and give it to those corporations?
You know what I'm saying?
Like if you're saying like somebody needs a blood transfusion and not giving them a blood transfusion is bad, if you accept that, then by that logic, it would have to be worse for me to start draining blood from them, right?
Like that's got to be worse than just not giving them the blood transfusion.
So it's like, it's interesting to see this kind of like, you know, like you almost set up a framework here where you have to agree with me if you want to be like on the same plane of, you know, existing in reality.
And there's a lot of those people.
Obviously, there's a lot of those people who just don't care and will contradict themselves.
But there are some people who can be reached with this stuff.
And we got to at least give it a shot.
Okay.
So in connection to some of this stuff, because it is interesting.
And one of the reasons why I began talking to libertarians, you know, I've talked a lot to left-wingers about how they should feel about this CIA woke shit.
But to talk to libertarians and right-wingers about it now.
Now, for libertarians, there's obvious reasons like that we've been saying.
But for right-wingers, just on a practical level, you better really be worried about all of this because you're the target.
So this is why I started by, you know, focusing on left-wingers because I think they're the ones to convince about this.
I don't really think you need to convince right-wingers to be anti-woke.
But forget just being anti-woke.
You right-wingers, you got to be better than that.
You got to be better than just anti-woke.
You got to realize what the woke shit is a distraction from, which is what the CIA and the Pentagon are actually doing, okay?
Because you're the target of that shit.
John Brennan, the former CIA director, you know, libertarians were, we were outraged that we got lumped in with those groups.
But you know what?
Those other groups shouldn't be there either.
They're just talking about Trump supporters and religious extremists and all of this different shit.
It's like, well, I don't know.
The vast majority of the people that you're mentioning are just American citizens.
What?
Religious people?
Trump supporters?
The hell are we okay with the CIA targeting them?
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And there is, I will say, a profound irony in the fact that the whole war on terror was championed and put into practice by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, who enjoyed a lot of support from the right half of America.
And now they have become the targets.
And this was one of the things that I just kind of kept thinking about with that Rudy Giuliani situation where Rudy Giuliani was raided.
And, you know, it's Rudy Giuliani famously on 9-11, or at least this is what they say.
You know, who knows exactly what his first words were.
But supposedly, Rudy Giuliani's first words after he saw the second plane hit the tower were, and I quote, thank God George W. Bush is the president.
And he was the biggest champion of the war on terror.
Well, at least as big a champion as he could have been.
And to see this whole apparatus of the state now turned on him because he also equally enthusiastically supported the next Republican president, certainly not justified, but it is a bit ironic, you know?
I also like that he somehow went from being pretty cool to basically turning into Sylvester the Cat.
I mean, there's been few people that have aged worse than he has.
He used to be cool, dude.
He had New York City.
Like he was always at, that's when the Yankees were awesome.
He was always at games with those big rings, cleaning up the mob.
Well, New York City was in better shape then than it is now, that's for sure.
And the Yankees were fucking awesome in those years.
These were the Mariana Rivera, Derek Jeter, Yankees.
Yeah, and he was always at those games.
But I think what's particularly concerning is that the way the DOJ is being used is pretty clear that we just got a fucking deep state, dude.
They investigated Trump for, I mean, you know, the whole system turned against him.
He finally had to get rid of, who was the weasel face guy that he had at first before he replaced him with Barr?
Who really screwed him, Sessions?
Oh, Sessions, Jeff.
Yeah, that guy, that guy Sessions totally screwed him by, you know, basically allowing that whole Mueller thing to move forward.
Well, he recused himself.
Right.
Then they tried to turn, basically they tried to, you know, use the outset of that entire fake phony thing to figure out what did the Democrats do to us that we weren't able to basically have our four-year presidency.
That's already been thrown out.
They got rid of Durham, who was supposed to be running the investigation into the origins.
And now, to flip it once again, they're now investigating Giuliani for his looking into Ukraine, which was the getting to the bottom.
You see how it keeps flipping on each other, whoever's got the power here.
And Biden's being way more aggressive in terms of using DOJ power and government towards, which, by the way, I mean, now we're in conspiracy space.
What do you think they actually said to Trump on his way out that he's been as quiet as he has?
They didn't release certain individuals.
There was something said to him that let him know, like, hey, man, you're going to, you're not in charge anymore.
You're going to have to start playing along with the system.
You know, who the hell knows?
Who knows?
There were reports that he wanted to, there had been some reports coming out that he wanted to pardon Snowden and Assange.
And like, I don't know.
You know, you got to take all these reports with a grain of salt.
Who the hell knows what's really being said?
It's all kind of like, well, anonymous people close to the president said this and that, right?
So could, who knows?
But it is pretty plausible that Trump would want to pardon those guys.
He had like pretty obvious direct motivating factors.
I'm not talking about he wanted to do the right thing.
It's obviously the right thing to pardon both of those two.
But, you know, Assange is the guy who dumped a lot of that dirt on Hillary Clinton, really helped him win the presidency.
He knows it would piss Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama off so much.
You know what I mean?
He knows it would piss them off so much to pardon Snowden, who was the one who revealed the spying apparatus that was turned on him and his campaign and his presidency, right?
So there's reason to believe that maybe he would be motivated to do that.
And then there were reports that came out.
Again, take it with a grain of salt, but there were reports that came out that they said that the Republicans didn't want him to do it and that McConnell was going to lead the charge to vote to convict him in the impeachment hearing if he did that.
And so he didn't.
Now, again, this is all, it's been reported.
I don't know whether this is true or not, but it's possible.
And if that is true, if they could work out a deal like that, what other deals and what other threats would be off the table?
So, you know, we're not going to know for sure what the answer to the question you were asking is, but it's not out of the bounds of plausibility to let your mind run wild a little bit.
And by the way, it's not that different than when Manafort went to jail.
That guy's been doing dirty things in politics forever.
All of a sudden he helps an outsider like Trump get elected and he's got to go.
You know what I mean?
This is usually what's out of bounds.
And it's the reason that Trump didn't go after Hillary.
You usually leave the previous administration alone.
That's kind of the political courtesy is that everyone does dirty shit when they're there and you're not going to go after them.
But Trump's the outsider.
And I mean, thus far, it's not like they've been that aggressive to him, but raiding Giuliani's home.
That's a pretty aggressive move.
Yeah.
It's a pretty aggressive move for sure.
And the, you know, it's like, just to back up your point, right?
There was just another report that came out detailing the FBI's abuses in the Trump campaign investigation, specifically in their misleading of the FISA courts, which we've, you know, we've been talking about for years now.
I mean, just to be clear, it's not, it's not as if like, you know, with Carter Page or with Flynn or Manafort or any of these guys, but particularly with Carter Page and with Flynn, it's not as if they didn't know whether they were guilty or not.
It's that they knew they weren't and still went after them.
You know what I mean?
And this is clear.
There's like, it's like, there's like irrefutable evidence at this point that this is just clear.
And so these reports come out.
It's like, oh, yeah, the FBI abused all these powers when they did this.
And it's like, okay, that's fine.
Now we're going to go raid Giuliani.
Like, it's like, there's not like some move to go arrest all of the FBI agents who did this or to see how far up the ladder it went because we know that it went all the way up to the top.
That we know we heard Andrew McCabe tell you that it went all the way up to the top.
But there's no move to punish those guys.
The move is to go get Giuliani.
So you see, you know, it's very convenient who they choose to go after and who they choose not to.
But I would say that as libertarians, you know, our role is to be against all of this shit and to say that it's fucking, this is awful.
And these are all like abuses of the government.
And that, you know, it certainly seems like, you know, I'll say in every other case that the idea of these like raids with all of these armed guards, I mean, what they did to Roger Stone was outrageous.
What they did to Rudy Giuliani is outrageous.
All of this stuff.
It's just awful.
And I'm no fan of Giuliani.
And Giuliani was claiming, I think I saw him on Tucker where he's like, I was telling them, like, hey, there's the hard drives that you guys are looking for.
They're right there.
They got Hunter Biden all over them.
And they're like, no, we're not taking that.
He goes, no, no, no.
I read.
I'm a lawyer.
Yeah, this is where I read your thing.
That's what you're supposed to take.
They're like, we're not taking it.
Yeah, this is what Giuliani said.
He said that they took all of his electronics except for Hunter Biden's hard drives.
He said he offered them to him.
They didn't.
Again, though, I mean, I take Rudy Giuliani's word with a grain of salt.
Who the fuck knows?
They can add it to the Epstein safes.
Yeah, right.
There you go.
There you go.
I'd say also that there were reports.
I don't even know if that's the word.
So Nick Fuentes, who's been on the show a couple times, he was a right-winger, Trump supporter.
And he was at the January 6th March.
I think he spoke at it.
He wasn't in, he didn't storm the Capitol building, but he was there and he spoke at a few events.
And he was doing a bunch of that, like a bunch of speaking at rallies for Donald Trump after the election about the election being stolen and stuff like that.
And he was, at least he claimed he was put on a no-fly list and wasn't allowed to go to or was unable to go to a rally opposing big tech censorship or something like that.
And, you know, he put out a video that I saw on Twitter, but it was kind of inconclusive.
It was like some lady at the TSA telling him he couldn't fly.
And she was like, I don't know.
And he was like asking, he's like, Am I like, can I fly a different airline?
Am I on their list or am I on the no-fly list?
And she was like, she was like, well, you might be on the no-fly list or something like that.
And then Tucker Carlson did a thing on it and said they were unable to determine because the truth is that the TSA won't just make it transparent and clear who's on the no-fly list and who's not.
So I don't know exactly what's going on there.
But if he is on the no-fly list, that is fucked up and pretty goddamn creepy.
I mean, the idea that we would let the government start barring travel for people whose politics they don't like is pretty, you know, pretty damn creepy.
You got American citizens aren't allowed to support the former president, or now they're not going to be allowed to travel anymore, particularly going after one who's got a large audience and is an influential person.
That's something that libertarians should oppose.
And I hear, you know, I hear some other libertarians who are like, you know, like they'll either not say anything about it or they'll say something with always the caveat that like, well, I really think his politics are awful, but he still shouldn't be on the no-fly list.
And it's like, dude, fucking be a man.
Stand up for your principles.
I don't care.
Like, if they were, if they were treating some left-winger like this, I would say the same goddamn thing.
I don't need to have some caveat.
Yeah, do I disagree with his politics?
Yeah, I disagree with like everyone's politics, except for fucking 17 anarcho-capitalists.
I disagree with everyone's politics, okay?
But whatever.
You shouldn't be put on a no-fly list by the government.
You're a citizen of that country.
It's so weird, too.
There's such a, and this is part of the woke shit and how the woke shit has infected libertarians is that there's such a bias, an allergy to right-wingers who are deemed racist.
Like there's just an allergy to them that it's like, well, you better be condemning them.
You better be making it real clear that we're not with them.
Yet, if I were to say, as I have many times on the show before, that I would defend Anwar Alaki, who was murdered by Barack Obama.
Now, Anwar Alaki was, he had sworn allegiance to Al-Qaeda, and he was in Yemen at the time, but he was an American citizen, and Obama ordered him murdered.
And I stood up at the time and have done many times since and said, No, I'm sorry, that's unacceptable.
He's an American citizen.
He has unalienable rights, which include the right to a trial.
You have to charge him and try him.
That's how that works.
He gets a lawyer.
He gets a judge.
He gets a jury of his peers because he's an American citizen.
And no libertarian ever said to me, Well, you should really start by condemning al-Qaeda and making it really clear that you're not a part of al-Qaeda.
And while I find Al-Qaeda repugnant and awful, I do think that he should get a trial.
No, I can just say Obama murdered an American citizen, and that is a crime that Obama now should be arrested for.
And you know what?
Obama should get a lawyer and a jury of his peers and a judge, but he should be charged for that crime.
And so why is it like by any metric, I think Al-Qaeda is worse than right-wingers in America, right?
Or even someone who you might deem a racist right-winger or whatever you want to call them, right?
So Al-Qaeda's worse, right?
But we either believe in principles or we don't.
And I do.
So nobody should be put on the no-fly list.
The no-fly list shouldn't fucking exist, but nobody should be put on the no-fly list for their political views.
And being on the might be ultra-fly list makes it pretty difficult to make plans.
It's almost a better approach that when you show up sometimes, well, you're not formally on the no-fly list.
We just can't let you fly this time.
And then anytime someone wants to book you for a gig, you're like, you can book me, but they might not let me on the airplane.
So you're functionally on the no-fly list.
Well, that's right.
And it's a really, I mean, it's an absolute perversion of due process.
I mean, you don't get to like face your accuser.
You don't get to defend yourself.
You're put on it.
And then you have to try to get yourself off of it.
So you have to try to prove your innocence.
And oftentimes you don't even know who to go to or what you're accused of doing, which can make it pretty tough to, you know, prove your innocence.
So it's.
I find yelling at the baggage check machine, that always helps.
You just got to yell at the machine.
No, that'll get you on your plane.
No problem.
So help me, God, if you don't get me on this plane, I am going to hijack the plane and fly it into a building.
That's usually, that's what you got to yell.
Eventually someone from TSA will come over and help you out.
Friendly fellows.
Friendly fellows, those TSA agents.
But yeah, so it's, it's, I don't know.
I mean, if you, if you're for individual liberty and you're against big government or any of this shit, then yeah, you got to, you got to defend people, left-wingers, right-wingers, whatever they are, when their rights are being violated.
And again, you know, I don't know for a fact what the details in the Nick Fuentez situation, what the details are.
I don't know for a fact what the details in the Giuliani situation are.
Like, I don't know.
He's saying he offered them Hunter Biden's laptop.
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Who the hell knows if he really did or didn't?
But regardless, it's, you know, if it is what they're saying, then that's pretty fucked up.
So I'll say that.
All right.
You know what?
We're going to wrap up there.
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Your call.
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