Robbie Bernstein and James Smith dissect America's polarization, arguing government overreach created a cartel-like economy and mob violence against statues. They condemn the "war against the center," labeling Trump's presidency a failure due to endless wars and debt, while criticizing CNN for biased propaganda. The hosts analyze the Supreme Court's procedural rejection of DACA as a systemic flaw that sent a message to conservatives their votes don't change outcomes. Ultimately, this deep divide between 63 million conservatives and 65 million liberals suggests secession may be the only viable path forward for those feeling abandoned by a dead Constitution. [Automatically generated summary]
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Government Overreach and Surveillance00:10:05
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Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem.
I am the most consistent motherfucker you know, and I am joined, as usual, by my good friend, my life partner, my other half, the fire, the king of the cocks, Robbie Bernstein.
How are you, sir?
I'm doing okay.
I'm a little tired today.
I made the mistake.
I got some drive-through food, which I never do.
I ate some like real garbage food, and I either got coronavirus from that drive-through or those fake gags will make you fucking, it's like a sleeping pill.
Yeah, you really shouldn't have gone in your police costume, but you know, you got to do what you got to do.
Is it, you mean what I'm wearing now looks like a police costume?
Or you're saying that that's what becomes draining is looking like a cop and having everyone harassed?
I'm saying, don't you know about the fucking female cop who went to McDonald's and thought they were trying to poison her?
Because I think a couple cops got some bad shakes from Shake Shack or something.
Wait, can I interrupt you on that for a second?
That was even scarier that at first they went, hey, some cops got poisoned at Shake Shack.
And you're like, oh, that is brutal.
But then Shake Shack turned around and went, no, no, no, that was just accidental.
That had nothing to do with them being cops.
That's way scarier.
That means that just randomly at Shake Shack, they're putting bleach into people's fucking milkshakes.
And there's so much sugar in there.
I wouldn't taste the bleach.
You know what I mean?
Let it be known that we were poisoning everybody that day.
It had nothing to do with being cops.
White, black, green, or yellow.
You were getting bleach in your shake.
Anyway, come on in.
We're still open.
Yeah, but so I guess this cop got freaked out because at McDonald's, they were like acting shady and taking a real long time.
And she was like, fuck that.
I don't want this.
I don't want this coffee.
Hey, what are you going to do?
It was like that farva moment when he's like, hey, is there spitting that burger?
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So, oh, I'm sorry, Brian corrects me.
It's a security guard, not a cop.
Okay.
Either way, yeah, you get the point.
I'm just coming for security guards.
Security guards are on your team.
They're low-paid workers.
They hang out.
They sit in booths all day.
They just try and get by eating junk food, reading newspapers.
Who's mad at these people?
I guess they're part of the bad guys because they call the cops or something, something like that.
I don't know.
Listen, the country's not doing great.
That's the long of the short of it is our country's in a weird, weird fucking place.
I do think there is something very disturbing.
I mean, obviously, in this uprising or whatever the fuck you, you know, riots, protests, all this stuff that's been going on, the most disturbing things to me are what I've talked about already, which were, you know, the assaults, the looting, and, you know, all of those things.
That was really, you know, the worst.
But there is something about the tearing down of statues that really I find I find, is that music playing on your end, Rob?
No, you know, they just never stop mowing lawns around here.
Oh, is that what it is?
I'm sounding beautiful music.
No, that is not the sound of beautiful music.
That's the sound of lawnmowers.
I'm new to the suburbs, but I almost feel like every block needs to coordinate and just have one day where everyone gets their fucking lawn.
Maybe that's a government thing.
Maybe the government should be mowing people's lawns.
Why do we have private individuals doing it when they keep doing it a chaotic hour?
Need a monopoly on this.
You're right.
Absolutely.
I've found a qualifier.
I'm an anarcho-capitalist, except I do think we need a government to mow the lawns.
That is, yeah, I get it.
I get the suburb life.
I feel you on that.
Anyway, so the tearing down statues things really rubs me the wrong way.
And it just seems like really, I mean, I've been saying from the beginning there was something about the mob violence that seemed very anti-civilization.
And something about tearing down statues, you know, obviously.
They're so expensive.
At least steal them and sell them.
It just seems like a real waste.
Let's do it.
Exactly.
Sell them for parts.
I got Jefferson's finger.
You want to melt it down?
But it does seem like, look, obviously there's a lot of people who did a lot of bad shit in the past.
But do we just tear down our history?
I mean, I don't know.
I just thought like, like, even like Auschwitz, like, they turned it into a museum.
You know what I mean?
They don't, they don't burn it down.
Like, burning it down, I mean, what is that?
That's kind of like, that's like what's, you know, kind of savage behavior.
You don't just burn it down.
It's like, no, look, this happened.
Whether or not, you know, you like it, and obviously the Jews aren't fans of what happened at Auschwitz.
And I understand where black people aren't fans of, you know, George Washington or something like that.
But he still was the first president.
He was the general who led the Revolutionary War.
So we just don't have a statue of him anymore.
Are we pretending that doesn't exist?
How about, you know, like me and Lewis were talking about this on the phone the other day.
I think he tweeted something out about it.
And Lewis made a really great point, which just shows you how much trouble this nation is in when Lewis is making solid points.
But it was like, how about you build a plaque next to it and kind of make your point that, you know, there were these bad parts of his legacy.
Like, I would find that to be more reasonable, like something.
But just this kind of like a mob of people tearing down a statue, that's like, this is like third world country shit.
It's very, it seems very close to me to like burning books type of behavior.
I don't like that.
What's the George Washington gripe?
Slave owner.
You know?
I mean, look, there's, you know, it's a slave owner and he also, you know, I mean, look, you could, you could get every one of the founding fathers, you know, like the, not like Thomas Paine type founding fathers, but you could get every one of the like, you know, original signers on they codified slavery into law, even those who didn't own slaves.
I mean, you know, okay, that's fine.
You know, it's it's Juneteenth.
I don't know if you've seen a whole lot about that.
But it's, so this is like, you know, the celebration of the abolition of slavery.
And everybody's kind of making these points.
And I hate, you know, it's like Chappelle in his special, which by the way, I did a review of Dave Chappelle's special on my OnlyFans page.
If anyone wants to check that out, go take a look at that.
But one of the things he talks about, which is a very popular point to make, is that, you know, slavery really wasn't that long ago.
Like 1865 really isn't that long ago.
You know, it's like your grandfather's grandfather or whatever, you know?
And, you know, okay, there's some truth to that.
You know, time isn't as long as we think it is sometimes.
You know, it's not as far in the past.
So I guess we're kind of kicking ass.
Give white people a break.
I mean, look at how much progress we made, everybody.
Well, that would be kind of the flip side to it, right?
But I feel like people in America in general, this is probably a comment on the education system, but people don't know much about history or have an appreciation for Kind of the grander scheme of things, the bigger picture.
And, you know, okay, it's true that 1865 wasn't that long ago, but it's not like slavery isn't the only thing that 1865 represents or that the mid 1800s represents.
I mean, it was a pre-industrialized world.
You're talking about like living in poverty that none of us can, you know, even fathom.
And yes, that wasn't that long ago.
But just like you said, the other, the flip side of it is like, holy shit, we've, we've climbed so high since then in so many different ways.
And I don't know, it just seems like all of this is kind of lost.
And, you know, okay, slavery was so evil and we all still have to celebrate Juneteenth and all this stuff.
And I'm fine with like celebrating it.
I'm fine.
I'm, you know, slavery being abolished is one of the greatest accomplishments in human history.
I mean, you know, speaking in the West, that is.
It hasn't been abolished everywhere.
Still exists in Libya right now, thanks to Hillary and Obama.
But no one really, that doesn't really fuck with anyone.
No one really, you know, it's like we're so, it's like, oh my God, you know, 1865 really wasn't that long ago.
You know, it's really not that long ago today.
That's really not that long ago.
And that's when there was slavery in Libya.
So maybe we could spend a little bit of energy on that.
But anyway, but okay, so it wasn't that long ago.
But this, I'm fine with celebrating the accomplishment, but can we at least have like some understanding of where human beings came from and where they are today, at least in the West?
And I don't know.
It's just, it seems like none of that is really happening.
I wonder, you know, obviously we're not in the most stable situation right now in the country.
And I'm trying to, you know, as all of these things are happening, I try to talk about each, you know, kind of event that's happening.
But as you know, I am the big picture and I like to kind of put these things in a broader context.
The War on the Establishment00:06:16
And I saw, so I was tweeting a little bit last night after my daughter fell asleep on top of me in a rocking chair and I had nothing but my phone.
That's when I'm, by the way, usually if you just see me go on like a tweet like fucking storm, like I'm tweeting a lot, it's usually something like that.
But so I'm like, you know, like pinned down with the phone in my hand.
And so like, what else am I going to do?
So you're just holding your daughter while she sleeps and saying, fuck it, like just the most aggressive shit in the entire world over Twitter.
Yeah.
I don't say it.
I just type it.
But yeah, that's right.
I don't think she's absorbing any of that energy level.
I think she's fine.
He's like, oh, yeah, you think I'm a racist?
Well, you're a fucking cunt.
How's that?
Fucking truth.
Oh, yeah.
Well, look at this.
But anyway, but so I see like a few different people and they're kind of like tweeting these things.
They're like, you know, it's about like how radical the left has become or how radical the right wing has become.
And, you know, more and more, if you remember when I did my debate with the LP chair, Nick Sarwak, when I demolished him in that debate, my dominant performance, one of the things I said early on was, you know, I was trying to get to what libertarians should be doing, what the Libertarian Party should be doing now.
And in order to make that point, I wanted to like lay down where we are, you know, as a society.
And I tried to quickly kind of do that, but I tried to make this point.
And I think that, you know, the essence of my point was that there is, and this was before, obviously, all of this shit.
This was, you know, last year.
But I was saying that there is a war in America against the center, that essentially there's an anti-establishment populist revulsion going on on all sides.
And you see this with the Bernie Sanders AOC wing.
And obviously, you really saw it with the Donald Trump wing, which has pretty much taken over the Republican Party, like a hostile takeover.
And it's easy to look at either side.
Like it's easy to look at an AOC or a Steve Bannon and see what's crazy about them.
And I get that.
It's almost like the first thing you see.
You know what I mean?
You see that.
You're like, well, look, AOC wants to do all this.
This is fucking insane.
Or Steve Bannon wants to do all this.
That doesn't make sense.
You know, whatever it is.
But the message of CNN is like, well, we don't want to go as far as AOC.
We definitely, definitely do not want to go Steve Bannon.
Let's just meet in the middle with Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham.
You know, like that's kind of their message.
And the truth is that I think for a healthy society to operate, like there's always going to be deviations on all sides.
There'll always be kind of like extremists and radicals out there, you know?
But in a healthy society, I think the people at the center, the people who are kind of like, you know, influential or running society, you know, running to some degree, just being like the ones who have more power, whether that's market power, government power, whatever, they'll be able to go like, no, don't go off to these extreme areas.
And that'll hold some weight.
People would be like, yeah, you know what?
That's okay.
They're right.
We don't want to go too radical.
We have a good society going here.
Let's not go crazy.
And I think the story of America is really that the centrists became the extremists.
And it's like there's no ability for anyone in the establishment, in the ruling elite, to pull people back right now because everyone is seeing through their bullshit, one way or the other.
Even like the lefties who are supporting Joe Biden, they know he's full of shit.
They just hate Trump that much, but they'd tell you.
They know that Biden's full of shit.
And it's like when the centrist moderate in quote moderate position is like, look, we just need to fight seven wars for decades and decades, spend trillions of dollars on bombing campaigns in third world countries.
We need to, you know, indebt your grandchildren to a level that they'll never be able to pay it off.
We need to lock millions of people in cages for victimless crimes.
We need to, you know, have a completely, you know, like a cartel economy across every different, you know, industry, you know, like this complete crony bullshit.
And they've just, it's like, that's the most extremist policy you could imagine.
Like, what could be more extremist than that?
And so really what's going on in America, I think, is that the centrists became the extremists long ago, at least, you know, starting in the George W. Bush administration, where it was just clear that there was no moderate center.
It was just this, you know, like, I mean, I don't know what's moderate about the plan to remake the Middle East in our image.
It's about the most extremist, you know, like policy you could have.
That is some real radical shit.
And now the radicals that are, you know, spawning out from the left, you know, in these marches and protests and stuff, they just don't have there's nothing to pull them back in.
And you notice this when they say things like, you know, me and you have talked about a lot in the past, where they'll be like, AOC, you just proposed like $38 trillion in new spending.
Like, where do you get this money from?
And she goes, where we get the money for the wars from.
You know, and you have to admit, there's somewhat of a point there.
Like, okay, they're both horrible policies, but she's not wrong.
She's like, okay, well, this is what the establishment said.
They pull money out of their asses, so we're going to do it too.
And I don't know.
I've just been thinking about that more over the last couple of days, that it's really, this is all part of the war on the establishment.
And it's just that it's not, it's going in a dangerous direction right now.
Funding Wars vs New Spending00:08:31
I think, so part, what you're saying is super interesting, but I think part of it just in terms of human decision making is that we like to compare two different elements.
And you're saying what's supposed to be the moderate middle is this completely warped thing.
So any evaluation try and make to compare to like the status quo is very warped.
Like you don't have a baseline by which to make a comparison.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you see this thing?
Just, I mean, it's like this is they've lost all credibility.
I mean, like, like all of them.
And it's not even like, I think, I really don't even think Trump or Biden have any credibility in people's minds.
It's just that we've degenerated into teams and they're like, this is the guy we got on our team.
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Trump's kind of, by the way, all right, listen, I don't think Biden's winning this next election, but there's something funny about Trump that he's kind of just turning into a whiny asshole.
Like he went from being the guy who's like, listen, you put me up here and I'm going to win.
I'm a winner.
I go out there and I win to my last guest on Run Your Mouth, go check that out.
He pointed this out.
You got this guy who says he's going to accomplish all this thing, all these things, and he spends most of his time, most of his time complaining that Twitter's censoring him.
You're fucking Donald Trump.
Just go to a different platform.
And now he's complaining, hey, the Supreme Court doesn't like me.
It's like all the guy really does is complain that everything's fucking stacked against him while he's super fucking rich and he managed to become the president and his entire pitch is, hey, listen, I'm a winner.
You put me up here.
I'm going to win for you.
And now he's just become a kind of whiny guy who's like, everyone's out to get me.
Yeah, it's weird and weak.
I agree with you.
And look, you can always point fingers and blame all of the other factors, you know, but after a while, you go, look, your whole thing, right, was that we're going to win.
And everybody else is so stupid and you're so much smarter than them.
And this has been, there's no question Donald Trump's presidency has been a failure by any metric.
This whole thing is a failure.
And I know we have a percentage.
It's, you know, I'd say maybe like 20% of our audience are Trump supporters.
And they get mad at me when I point this out sometimes.
But look, blame whoever you want to blame.
But like Rob just said, now you're in the position of just blaming everybody else.
And the truth is that Donald Trump was elected for a number of reasons.
And one was almost maybe just short of a revolution, but a real, we're shaking up the whole system.
We're shaking up the whole system.
We're sending a middle finger in there.
A lot of it was about cultural issues, a rejection of the leftist takeover of American culture.
Well, on that front, how's that going?
Look at what's going on in the streets of America today.
And you tell me if Donald Trump got elected, did you own the libs?
Did you take back the American culture?
No, by any measure, it's worse.
It's much, much worse than it was under Obama.
Again, you can, for every single one of these things, to the Trump supporters who listen, to every single one of these things, you can have an excuse.
I'm sure you do.
This is how every supporter of every president works.
They have an excuse for every bad thing that happens.
Fine.
But this is just the reality.
Whatever the reason is, it's failure.
Okay, we're going to end all the wars.
Not a single one ended.
Not a single one ended.
And, you know, blame everybody you want.
Sure, the media gives him a hard time whenever he talks about it, but he is the commander in chief.
That's a pretty tough one.
You can say he didn't get us into any other new wars.
He flirted with them in Venezuela and Iran, didn't get us into any new ones, flirted even in North Korea at the beginning, but then walked that back.
Okay.
But he didn't end any of them.
And when you're in six, seven wars, whatever we're in now, and they're the longest wars in American history, it's not good enough.
It's not good enough to say, I didn't add another one to the list.
It's just not.
And he hasn't ended any of them.
As far as trade deficits and things like that that he ran on, it's all still fucking happening.
And then, of course, there's the big one, which is immigration.
And, you know, just lost a huge Supreme Court decision.
You know, everybody's like, oh, Trump's doing so great.
Clearly, we're not keeping the other people out, but the minorities that are here seem to be getting more powerful.
I mean, that's not what we voted this guy in for.
I mean, it's really, you know, it's just, this is just the state of things.
And I agree with you that Trump's, he goes from, you know, look, I always said, this is why I didn't vote for Trump and I never supported him.
And I, I always said, I think this guy's a fucking cartoon character and a con artist and a showman.
And he's an entertaining one for sure.
Do you think this upcoming election's got to just be the lowest voter turnout in the history of the country?
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
This stuff might motivate a lot of people to go.
There's a lot of reason right now for people to be driven into their camps.
And most of it is just hatred of the other camp, you know?
So I don't think it'll be super low.
I don't think it'll be like record-breaking high.
I think it'll be somewhere, somewhere in the middle.
I think pretty decent voter turnout would be my guess, but who knows?
But Trump is just in this situation.
It's like he's just a cartoon.
I mean, that's all he is.
You know, he's literally physically, he's a cartoon.
Everything about him.
And he'll tweet something that's hilarious and he'll troll and he's great at that.
But after a while, you just realize that's what you got.
That's it.
Have you seen his new tweets with the highly, I've only seen two of them, but these really, they're well-produced videos of incidents happening and then the way the news interprets them.
Did you see the one with the toddlers?
Well, the one I saw, I saw that one, but I didn't watch the whole thing.
I don't think the one that I saw was this guy who was like pushing like an Uber out of the snow and then the neighbor reporting it.
Do you see that?
But like they're great and they kind of prove a point, but then they also didn't happen, which is weird.
Well, the one with the toddlers, this one was really funny, right?
So it's this video that like went viral because it was like an adorable video of these two toddlers and they like run up and hug each other.
And then one of them has a truck and then they start, one starts chasing the other one up the block.
It's like two and a half year olds or three year olds or something.
Very, very cute.
So Trump shared a video.
I don't know who made the video, but he tweeted it.
But the video just shows one of the toddlers chasing the other toddler.
And they were like, CNN reports toddler chases other toddler.
And then it shows the full video, what really happened.
And this is like what you just can't believe.
Then Jim Acosta is grilling Kaylee McKenney, Trump's press secretary.
And he's grilling her.
And he goes, what do you think about Donald Trump using edited videos in his tweets?
Yes, they did, or they marked it or something.
He goes, isn't he exploiting children?
And you're like, wow, this is just fucking bananas.
Toddler Chases and Systemic Racism00:14:59
Like, there's no low that you guys won't stoop to.
It's really, it's just bananas.
But so this is the whole thing, right?
Is that it's like the media, they just live in clown world.
The whole culture is falling apart.
Meanwhile, all the major problems in the country have gotten substantially worse this year.
Like substantially worse.
I mean, we're going to, I don't even know what the numbers are going to be when this is all said and done of how much we added to the debt just this year alone.
The deficit's going to be, you know, it's already record breaking.
Well, there's this thing called modern monetary theory, which means they modernized it.
You know, there was some ancient theory that was wrong.
And the new theory is it doesn't matter how much debt you take on.
There's enough poor people in third world countries that will form a fund or deficit that it doesn't matter.
Just pile it on.
And we're the moral ones here because we've got to make sure that people in this country have the best possible healthcare possible.
No, modern monetary policy basically, I mean, if you really get down to the bones of it, what it basically says is that if you use enough force, you can repeal the laws of physics.
Like as long as you, as long as you're the government and you're the issuer of a currency, as they say, well, then you have to keep taking this currency because you need it in order to pay them when they extort you later.
And it's like, yeah, okay.
Obviously, that is the system that we're in right now.
But there's still like, there's still reality to deal with.
This still has to be financed by someone.
This still, like, you know, it is.
Did you see the Fed's comments, by the way, about systemic racism being the biggest drag on our economy?
Did you see that?
No.
So there were two members of the Fed that basically came out and made that statement.
And there's two things that make that just absolutely hilarious.
Firstly, if you want to concede or get into this world that there's something called systemic racism, there's no institution that has a more systemic racist policy than the Fed, which gives a lot of money over to white, wealthy bankers and people that are in the stock market.
That would be white.
Yeah.
But what's incredible is like, okay, it takes, like, let's just say you wanted to say, hey, you know, there's been institutional racism.
So we're going to give every black person in America $1,000 for the next three months.
Let's just say you want to do that.
You'd have to go through Congress.
It would get debated.
It would go back and forth.
But if you want to just buy bonds and stock assets to make sure that every single person who's in Wall Street doesn't lose their money, well, the Fed just goes, hey, man, here's your money.
I want to make sure that you.
So there's no organization in America that is more systemically racist than the Fed.
But what's weird is that they're going to pretend like it's not inflation or any of their monetary policies.
It's the fact that the overall government is systemically racist and that for some reason, outside of the Fed's control and outside of their policies, you know, black people can't get jobs.
And that's what the problem with all of America is.
Yeah, it's really, it's fucking something.
It's the, the, dude, I mean, I'm like the level.
And it's funny because even like some, you know, some people who kind of give me shit about my me being hard on this whole movement, like be like highly critical of everything, not just Antifa and the Black Lives Matter movement, all of it.
It's like, do you not see the level of propaganda that's going on all around you by all of the institutions that we hate the most?
It is creepy.
Dude, they're making, they made fucking an Elmo video, a Sesame Street video with Elmo and his dad talking about systemic racism and how difficult, you know, it is to be black in America.
It's like, they want to fucking, I mean, and as you guys know, as I talked about with on that episode with Gene Epstein, there is really nothing that gets my blood boiling short of like war and maybe just like horrific, you know, state violence.
But there is nothing that gets my blood boiling more than child targeted propaganda.
I think it's like the most evil thing you can do, again, outside of like brutal violence, is to try to propagandize children.
It's one thing to try it with adults, but to really try to like, I mean, it's so profoundly evil.
And dude, I mean, I'm talking about me and my wife were just playing around with our Siri the other day.
I know Scott Horton tells me I'm crazy for having that listening device.
I know I am.
But you talk to her and you'll be like, Alexa, you know, do Black Lives Matter?
And they're like, yes, we stand with Black Lives Matter.
And you can donate money at Black Lives Matter.
Black people are battling systematic racism and we stay with them.
And then you go like, do all lives matter?
And they go, while everyone deserves the right to dignity, All Lives Matter was created as a counter to Black Lives Matter.
And we stand with, but it's like, holy shit.
Like every corporation, every media outlet, everybody is pushing this fucking propaganda.
And you're like, hold on, slow down.
Let's have a conversation about this.
Let's actually like make the argument for me.
And an argument isn't just saying a buzzword, just saying systemic racism.
Like, well, what?
What's systemic racism?
Okay, let's talk about it.
And let's see like what's actually going on here.
Because no matter what you say, you know, like even if you go like, what it always comes down to in the systemic racism thing is like they go like, well, there are these rules that disproportionately affect black people.
And you're like, okay, but those rules exist for everyone.
You know what I mean?
It's not as if like it's like, oh, drugs are illegal for black people or this is illegal for black people.
It's like, no, there's a war on drugs.
There shouldn't be, but there is one.
And okay, disproportionately, maybe black people get, you know, arrested for it.
But then you have to look at like all the factors that could contribute to that.
It's not just as simple as like, oh, like in any other historical time where you'd be like, there's systemic, you know, racism, you would point to a policy.
Like you could, you know, if you were looking at like in Nazi Germany, like why there was like an anti-Jewish society, it'd be like, oh, well, look at this rule they just imposed.
Like they're making Jews wear stars or they're rounding them up or they're shutting down their businesses.
They're seizing their assets.
Eventually, doing a lot more than that.
I mean, you know, they went on to kill dozens of them.
Anyway, say, I've been accused of it.
I might as well just own it.
Millions of everybody killed.
No, it's exactly dozens.
And that's what Dave Smith wants you to know: the numbers from the Holocaust were inflated and it didn't really happen.
And I'm happy that you finally addressed that.
Well, the truth is that it is dozens.
It's just, it might be like, you know, it might be hundreds of thousands of dozens, but still.
Right.
In the same way, Black Lives Matter isn't offensive or, you know, doesn't rule out other groups mattering.
Sure, yes.
It's technically dozens.
Right.
Right, exactly.
But so it's this weird thing.
And I'm sorry, like, I think the job of any truth teller, anybody who wants to get to the bottom of this shit is like step one is peel away all the propaganda.
And then you got to take a look at what's really going on here.
But there was another great moment when Jim Acosta was, you know, was battling it out with Kaylee, where she starts quoting back shit that CNN has said.
And CNN was, you know, because they're trying to carry water for the protests now.
So they're basically telling you, which is the line, which really, man, it's a fucking fascinating time to be alive.
I love when they tell you that they keep saying these are peaceful protests.
And by the way, for the record, certainly in places in New York, it's gotten a lot more peaceful.
There's not looting like there used to be, like there was a couple of weeks ago.
And there's not, and that's great.
That's fucking wonderful.
And let's call it as it is.
You know what I mean?
Like, okay, there are some people peacefully protesting.
There are other people who are violent.
There's a lot of people, you know, and it's different all around the country.
But to just label that, like, there was no rioting.
That's just what they're telling you.
But then, of course, we all have social media, we all have the internet.
And it's like, it's such an amazing thing to see.
You could see 100 videos in a day of what, if there's ever been rioting, this was rioting.
Like, I don't know.
Because then they'll tell you they're peaceful.
No, those were white people from out of state.
I know they looked black and like they were pretty clearly from Harlem, but you got that all wrong.
Those were some Jersey white kids right there.
I saw a lot of blackface then.
There were a lot of Justin Trudeau's running around smashing in windows, which I'm sure that must be what it is.
Outside white agitators and blackface, very disrespectful.
Not cool at all.
But so CNN is trying to tell you that they're peaceful, right?
So they're playing up the peaceful aspect.
And they were saying, they go, they were like, you know, everybody's being peaceful.
It's a very warm, welcoming environment.
There was one guy giving out free hugs, blah, blah, blah, all these other things.
And Kaylee McKenney just posed, and she goes, oh, so hugging strangers is okay now.
So hugging strangers, that's not killing grandma.
That's not anything to be mad about.
Like, that's just fine.
We're just going to support that.
And it's just like this great moment where there's still, it's so like transparent.
There's still, look, dude, on the head of fucking CNN.com today, the number one story in big bold letters, if you pull up CNN.com, is Trump rally violates CDC guidelines for gatherings.
They're still simultaneously trying to push that narrative.
It's because they're not doing themselves.
That's right.
Now, look, I have, I'll tell you, if you were dealing with anything like a media that's that's, I don't know, just not the enemy of the people, like not the worst human beings on the planet, you know, like anything, fine.
Look, I'm not, I'm not against seeing an opinion piece that says, look, you know, we think COVID is this really dangerous thing, but I do think police brutality is so bad that it's worth the risk in order to protest against police brutality.
Like, I could see someone having an argument there.
You know what I mean?
But to pretend that you're an objective journalist who's just giving the news, who goes, well, protesting racism, okay, is okay, but trying to get Trump re-elected is not.
I'm sorry.
That is an opinion.
That is a subjective political preference.
You can certainly make an argument that who becomes president next is a very consequential thing to happen and that that's very important.
You can obviously make an argument that protesting the lockdowns was legitimate.
And it's not, you know, protesting the lockdowns isn't just about government infringing on people's rights.
It's about tens of millions of lives that were fucked up over this shit.
And not just like, you know, like major important things.
You know, like not being able to see loved ones as they're dying, not being able to be around your family.
Kids, I told this weeks back on the podcast, but I heard this one story that just broke my heart is this post from this father who had an autistic son who was in like a special needs school and was making a ton of progress.
And then they canceled the school and he said he reverted right back to where he was.
Like that kid may never get back to where he could have been.
It's like heartbreaking, horrible things.
That's just one story out of tens of millions.
So you just decide in some objective fashion that that's not worthy of protest, but racism is.
And of course, just like with the term systemic racism, just being very vague, you know, like, what exactly are we protesting?
Like, what do you mean by racism?
What do you mean?
People being violent toward other minority groups?
Like, okay, that's, that's fine.
But if you're just saying racism, like, what?
Just if anyone else doesn't like another race, that's worthy of protest.
It's all just so, I don't know.
I almost can't believe that even knowing who CNN is and they're the enemy, you know what I mean?
But even knowing how terrible they are, that there's not someone there who just goes, yeah, don't, don't play the angle of Trump rallies violate CDC guidelines.
We just, we look too foolish.
We can't be sitting here celebrating mass protests of hundreds of thousands of people that have obviously degenerated into mob violence in almost every single area where they've been protesting.
We can't defend that and then hit Trump for this.
We're just going to look too stupid.
So let's not do that.
And it seems like nobody there even feels that way.
They're just like, yeah, let's go for it.
Let's hit him for this.
It's very strange.
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The Trump rallies are almost an interesting display of free choice and how much some people really love Trump because they're saying you got to wear a mask.
And I think they also have to sign a document that they're not going to sue if they get sick.
So, I mean, that really hurts CNN because look at how, look at how racist Reed people really are, that they're willing to sign away a document and put themselves at risk of coronavirus just to show up and support Trump.
Yeah.
It really is like I tweeted something out about this the other day, but it's like there's, who was it, Susan Rice came out and said something about how Trump will and his supporters will be left in the dustbin of history.
And people are freaking out because I guess that was a Trotsky line.
So they're like, look, she's a secret communist.
She's quoting this guy or whatever.
You know, there's a lot of different angles that you could go on this.
I mean, the one that pops to my head the first is just like, who, you know, the fucking Obama administration, the fucking blood-soaked monsters that run that shit.
I mean, like you, the idea that you, after just, you know, destroying the nation of Libya, launching a war of genocide in Yemen, like, who the fuck are you to talk about anyone else?
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But almost a different angle entirely from all that.
And this is what that, like, I really think the case for secession has never been stronger, that this whole country just needs to break up.
It's like, look, you can say that the Trump voters are going to be left in the dustbin of history or something like that.
Like, okay, well, there were 63 million of them last time.
Now, he's going to get somewhere in that ballpark again.
You know, I mean, I don't know.
Maybe he'll get 61 million this time.
Maybe he'll get 64 million this time.
Who knows?
But there's going to be something, you know, like in that ballpark of the amount of votes.
So maybe you win.
Maybe Joe Biden wins.
Maybe he gets 65 million votes just like Hillary Clinton does and he wins.
You know, I don't think so, but maybe.
Those people don't vanish when you win the election.
This is the thing.
It's like the left in America wants to move forward with a more and more radical leftist agenda.
And you're not going to have an easy time ruling over 63 million people who you just called, you know, deplorable, despicable, and are going to be left in the dustbin of history, particularly when most of them own guns.
I bet beyond the gun thing, which is fascinating to go, hey, if we really decided to have a fight here, who would win it?
But I bet amongst, and I'm not saying essential services in the same way that they use the term essential services, but I bet if we were to split the country between, and you and I, we're not conservatives, but if you were to split the country between the conservatives and these libtards, we'd probably end up going to the conservative areas and going, hey, that kind of suits my sensibilities a little better.
They seem to like family values.
They seem to like relationships.
Yeah, no, right now they're better.
Yeah, they seem to like savings.
And if I can just convince them that we don't need to fight wars on the other side of the world, I think we agree on most more things than we don't.
And by the way, and just to add to that, though, it's like the worst issues of traditionally of the conservatives are like, oh, they want to fight all wars all around the world and they want to lock people in jail for drugs.
And they're getting better on both those issues.
Like they're still not great, but they're getting better.
It's a lot easier to have a conversation with a conservative about how we shouldn't be fighting these wars and how we shouldn't be locking people up for nonviolent crimes than it's ever been since I've been alive.
But I'd love to see the study if you actually looked at the professions of most people that fall into which camp.
But I'm going to guess that if you just suddenly split all conservatives from all liberals, so the liberal team is going to have a lot of academics and they're going to have a lot of people with these weird careers.
And then on the other side, you're going to have every farmer, a lot of CEOs, a lot of people in the financial professions.
I'm just saying, if you were going to create two different teams and draft them tomorrow between your conservatives and the liberals, that conservative team is probably going to have a lot more of the services you actually need to function.
Yeah, that would be my guess.
But I don't think, you know, most leftists probably don't look at it that way.
But that would be my guess that you're right.
But they need to realize that it's like, you can wish that they go into the dustbin of history, but they're still going to be here.
They're still going to be living, breathing.
They're still going to be in the country.
And that's there, whether you like it or not.
What the conservatives need to realize is that the Constitution is dead.
The 1950s are never coming back.
The police will not protect you when you need them the most.
And that this other group, just like I said with the Trump supporters, these leftists, they're going to be here too.
And there's a whole lot of them too.
I mean, from the liberal to leftist spectrum, you know, you're looking at 65 million people.
This is an issue.
And, you know, once you kind of realize that the Constitution has been dead for a long time, that the 1950s have been dead for a long time, and neither of them are coming back anytime soon, you realize that the only conservative answer is secession as well.
So I think that's just, you know, like, look, as I said at the beginning, and maybe it makes sense to kind of bring this back a little bit.
This, the Trump moment was in many ways like an attempted revolution.
It was like a revolution that wasn't quite ready to be a revolution.
It was, you know, when you go from Mitt Romney to Donald Trump, that is, you know, it's a whole different way.
It was just wild on every level that that would be the guy.
The problem is that short of saying so much winning, it doesn't seem like there was any real plan.
I don't think that Donald Trump really understood the battle he was in for.
I don't know if he really wanted to fight the battle or not.
Obviously, there were obstacles and they did this to him and they did that to him.
But it's like, yeah, well, that's what you can expect.
But I have to say that that Supreme Court decision on DACA really to me was like a real blow to the idea that Trump getting elected did anything to change this system.
I mean, Trump's message was, we're going to make America great again.
Like, that's it.
We're taking this country back.
We're bringing it back.
It was the last, in many ways, I think the last gasp of the conservative desire to have a country that looked more like 1958, you know?
And that's over.
You know, there's, it's, it's, look, they, they said like that it was like a technicality kind of.
It was like a procedural issue why Trump can't overturn DACA.
But think about that, right?
Trump was talking about.
I want to hear from you on this.
But Trump was saying we're going to deport them all.
We're going to build a wall.
You know, every one of the millions of illegals have to go back home and then we're going to figure it out from there.
He couldn't even repeal Obama's executive order.
Just think about that.
This was something that by executive fiat, Obama guaranteed these DACA people, you know, essentially amnesty.
Trump couldn't even get rid of that.
And this is almost four years in.
If that's not a failure, I don't know what is.
Go ahead.
Okay, I got to dig in a little bit more on this Supreme Court thing, but what's really rotten about it is that essentially what they said is, yes, DACA is illegal and it should totally be overturned.
And all of us justices agree it should be overturned.
However, as the highest court and justice branch in the land, we're not going to overturn it just because we all agree it's illegal and it shouldn't exist.
You have to come here and present the argument in the correct way.
How does that make sense?
Like, if I was trying to run a perfect software, like imagine for a second, I was trying to run a perfect software.
What would I do?
I would inspect the software.
I would run every single case study and figure out where the software is not working properly and I would correct it.
There's something really messed up about the Supreme Court that you got to realize how much power do you need to actually bring a court up to the Supreme Court, bring a case up to the Supreme Court.
And then once it's up there, they can go, oh, well, procedurally, you didn't bring this to us in the right way.
So even though we agree with you, and yes, the law, what's on the books is completely illegal.
This should absolutely be changed.
You have to present this to us in the right way.
That is so backwards and against the way, in my opinion, democracy should run.
Like there was an interesting case, it was like a year ago in New York City, in the state of New York.
There was something that had to do with, I really, I don't remember the specifics on this, but there was something to do with gun laws.
And the New York state got rid of what they said was illegal because they didn't want it to go to the Supreme Court.
And then once they got rid of it, it never ended up going like, but that's backwards in itself.
Then like, you see what I'm saying?
It's like the Supreme Court shouldn't have to wait for a case to get brought to it for it to start reviewing, hey, are there things that systematically they need to be changed because they go against the Constitution?
They should almost be running an autopilot.
There should be a Supreme Court division to make sure that everything that's happening is in line with the Constitution.
It shouldn't be that you got to go through 15 different court cases beforehand with the benefits of the courts.
If you come back and argue it in this way, maybe we'll repeal it.
And that'll only take you four or five years to come back.
And you're like, what?
But like this, you know, look, and to be honest, I'm, I'm, just so it's clear, I'm not like, I don't have strong feelings like DACA should be overturned and all these people should be deported.
I don't know.
I don't really have strong feelings on it one way or the other.
I do think that it just shows you how much of a failure the Trump moment was when this was the central promise of the campaign.
And there is, look, I don't listen, here's my like mentality on all this shit, right?
I am, when it comes to government procedure, whether it's democracy, the Supreme Court, Senate votes, and anything like that, I'm a complete Machiavellian.
I just want the outcome that I want.
I don't care if it is, you know, like I'm not one of these people who's like, like, I'm obsessed with like the original intent or whether it's a living, breathing document or like any of this.
I don't care.
I believe in liberty.
I believe that is the moral option.
And whatever gets you there gets you there.
Like, I don't care if the Supreme Court, you know, let's say hypothetically had like abolished slavery and you'd be like, yeah, but that wasn't really the original intent of the founders.
I don't fucking give a shit.
Whatever.
Someone did it.
That's better.
If they can end a war, if they could do anything like that, I'd be for them doing it.
I don't care.
If a vote would get you there, then fucking fuck yeah.
Let's vote our way there.
If the vote won't get you there, I hope a judge overrules it.
Like, I just want the correct outcome, which, by the way, is, I think, how most people feel.
They're just not comfortable admitting that.
But I don't care.
I don't care about like the Constitution.
I don't care about democracy.
I don't care about any of these things.
I care about morality.
And if you could convince me that one system will lead to morality more often, maybe there's an argument there.
But isn't that kind of what all the Democrats were feeling about Trump with like the Mueller investment?
Like, I don't care how many laws get broken.
I just think the guy's got to go.
Yes.
That's exactly.
Yes.
They all are all like that.
I just have different morality than them.
I don't care.
Listen, if the Democrats were using those same procedures to try to end a war, they were like, we just want to get this guy out of here because he's fucking murdering innocent people.
I'd be all for them doing that.
And be like, yeah, fuck.
It's still against the Constitution.
It's still fucking illegal, but whatever.
It's for the right thing.
The problem is they were trying to get him out of there because he didn't, they weren't convinced he'd fight these wars.
That's what I care about.
I don't care about this bullshit.
I don't care who wrote some shit down on a piece of paper hundreds of years ago.
Like, none of that means anything to me.
I believe in individual liberty.
I believe in free markets.
I believe it, like, that's, that's what I believe in.
And any way we could get there, I'd be for.
But I look, I see these like you know, libertarians who are arguing that the Supreme Court decision on transgender, you know, like discrimination was a good decision because, well, it is technically, you know, like the way that you know they're interpreting the law.
And this is technically, this should be part of the Civil Rights Act, which is, by the way, complete, like as if when they wrote the Civil Rights Act, they were thinking about transgender people, which is such bullshit.
But I'm sorry, anyway, go ahead.
No, I think you should just have to interview at whatever gender you're going to show up as.
That's fair enough.
Yeah.
Well, listen, I think this in the same way that you have a right to not work for someone for whatever reason you want, you have a right to not hire someone to work for you for whatever reason you want.
And that should, I don't even see why that's like such a courageous statement, although I guess it is today.
But regardless of all of this shit, it does just show you with the Trump decision on immigration, not the transgender one.
There are two losses for the Trump administration, but the transgender thing isn't a big one.
The immigration one is.
It does just show you, right?
Like, as I was saying, I don't care about the whole process, but there is something revealing when a president, when you have a democratic process laid out, a president runs on more so than any other president in my lifetime, one central message, which was about immigration.
And he wins.
He wins the Democratic race.
You know, I say whatever you will about the popular vote, but that wasn't the game we're playing.
You know, like we've said before, that's like, you know, if you lose, you know, a series in four games, but you're like, but in, you know, or you lose in five games, but you're like, in game three, we beat them by 30.
You know, it doesn't matter.
That's not the game.
The game was electoral votes.
But he wins.
They get this big victory and they can't even get DACA repealed.
They can't even, right?
Talking about this revolution in like immigration policy.
You can't even get back to where we were three years before that guy got elected.
Like that's quite a message to all the Trump supporters that like we don't care.
Your vote doesn't mean anything to this system.
It really is like a very clear message.
I mean, and that, by the way, that is the essence of conservatism.
Like that's it right there.
It's like you could have what you consider a revolution.
You know, they called in, what was it, in 94 when the Republicans took back Congress under Bill Clinton and they called it the Republican Revolution.
And then in 2000, when they took both houses and the executive branch, they called it the Republican Revolution.
Then you had the Tea Party and like all these different things in 2010 when they took back Congress.
And you can't even, when you have this huge conservative moment, you can't even recover the last five years.
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You just keep losing.
You keep losing.
So Donald Trump promised all this winning.
Look around, conservatives.
Look around.
How's the winning going for you?
Just please explain to me what exactly have you won?
What exactly have you won since Trump's been in there?
I think it's something to think about.
If nothing else, I think it is something to think about.
All right.
That's our episode for today.
That was good to see you, Rob.
It's good to see you.
And Kavanaugh should be ashamed of himself.
I mean, we fucking got a rapist onto the Supreme Court, and it wasn't to improve, you know, approve fucking keeping DACA in the country or, you know, whatever that is.
He's like doing a keg stand while he's up there.
He's like, huh?
What are we doing?
Yeah, I'll just, whatever that guy says, I'll vote with him.
Hey, what are you bitches doing later?
All right.
Hey, guys, don't forget, I'm going to be at Freedom Fest.
It's coming up soon.
I just had a call with those guys the other day.
We're going forward, going strong.
I'm so excited for Freedom Fest this year.
And I will be, I'll be hanging out and stuff.
If any of the listeners of the podcast come out, I'm going to be there the whole time.
I'm hosting the whole event.
I'll be hosting the whole main stage event.
They had to break it up into like three different rooms now because there's like capacity COVID rules and stuff.
But I'll be there the whole time.
A lot of fucking really cool speakers.
I was given some information about some of the secret speakers that are going to be there.
I'm sworn to secret there.
But it's going to, you blew it.
There.
No, I know.
Yes.
Tom Woods is there.
No, that's known.
That's a known fact.
I can't say, but let me just say there's going to be some real interesting ones who try and get a hold of him for a podcast.
That'd be cool.
Yeah, I absolutely will.
We'll see how that goes.
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