Michael Malice and Dave Smith debate whether an anarchist U.S. would foster libertinism or conservatism, noting market realities might enforce social order. They dissect Chris Dahlia's grooming allegations versus Joe Biden's conduct, questioning age-of-consent consistency while criticizing left-libertarian hierarchies regarding gender and drugs. Malice argues the state artificially suppresses natural human hierarchies, condemns binary thinking that equates mild prejudice with extreme evil, and attacks "woke capitalism" for prioritizing corporations over working-class audiences. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that ignoring organic social structures and enforcing ideological purity creates new, often more dangerous, forms of oppression. [Automatically generated summary]
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We need to roll back the state.
We spy on all of our own citizens.
Our prisons are flooded with nonviolent drug offenders.
If you want to know who America's next enemy is, look at who we're funding right now.
Every single one of these problems are a result of government being way too big.
Hello, everybody.
And let this be you're welcome for the next hour.
I have, of course, with me the great, phenomenal, and sexy Michael Malice in the building.
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The crossover continues.
And one of the, so I want to talk on today's episode about some things, some things I've been thinking about over the last 24 hours or so involving cultural issues.
And Michael always has a very thoughtful and kind of interesting, unique take on cultural issues that don't, well, they don't exactly line up.
It'd be very hard to place you either on the left or the right, you know, in the traditional spectrum with your cultural takes.
And I've been thinking about a few things related to a couple stories that are in the news.
But let me just ask you this: a more kind of broad question before we start.
Do you think in an anarchist society, do you think we, like, let's say in a country like the United States of America, if the state was to dissolve away or be drastically reduced, do you think that would have an impact on the culture?
Would it lead to a more libertine culture, or do you think it would lead to a more socially conservative culture?
Or do you not think it would have a big effect?
I think the bell curve would be a lot wider.
So the fringes would be even fringier.
You would have, you know, the bigger distribution.
I'm wearing a shirt.
It was very coincidental that you said this.
I'm wearing a shirt right here from the vultures.
This was a replica of a shirt that Debbie Harry from Blondie wore on stage back in the mid-70s when the punk scene was coming up here in New York City.
This is something you can implant, but it's just a happy coincidence.
And one of the things she pointed out was, as compared to New York Now, is that it was really easy to be a young deadbeat artist.
Like rents were cheap because crime was high.
Like they lived across the street from CBGB, like above a laundromat.
And they were like in a loft.
Like now it would be five grand.
There's like six of them on mattresses and the floor, roaches everywhere.
The point being, you know, when you have expensive rents, but the thing, like a lot of conservatives see someone like that and they're like, oh my God, disgusting.
That someone is, there's going to be the degenerate, disgusting people who are just putting mayonnaise in themselves running around stage who contribute nothing.
But it's also going to be the young innovators who do have something to say and do push culture forward, especially when they're co-opted by corporate America and made something bigger with this kind of Voltron situation.
So the biggest positive thing that would happen is an anarchist society where you have cheaper rents, it's going to be a lot easier to make scenes of young, hungry people who are, you know, have a day job, they're just trying to make do, but at night they're creating something magical.
And yeah, I would say, let's pretend 1% of them are creating something magical, but I'm not a numbers guy.
For me, it's the 1% that almost matters if 99% of them are just beating off and making paintings about how Trump sucks, like that's neither here nor there.
Like the ones that I care about are the ones on the margin who are very talented, but also it's going to be a long-term market reward.
And short-term, they got to figure out how to get that ramen.
And that is something that not having a state would further.
It would also encourage a lot of private organizations to promote artistic creativity instead of having it these big corporate monoliths where they're going to be rewarding someone just based on, oh, look, we have a black trans writer talking about how much America, blah, Like, let's give them a check.
I mean, it becomes a hustle, you know, very quickly, depending on who the in-group is of the moment.
So those are two great mechanisms that would immediately happen as a consequence of having less of a state.
I don't know how else it would work out, but those are just two very quick solutions.
Yeah.
And it was also one more thing.
It would also attract people from around the world who want to be part of a scene, who want to have a place where they can put their work on the marketplace and have it like an Etsy and have it be rewarded and appreciated.
You're going to have that diversity of opinion, diversity of culture.
And I'm not using that word in the loose sense of having a black person there, but you're going to have a range of experiences and innovations in every field.
And I think that is, you know, on the other hand, that was the big promise of communism, right?
There's the big promise of communism is once there's communism, the artists are going to be free to create and express themselves because they're not going to have to be slaves of the factory worker.
And we saw how that worked out.
So I can be perfectly, it's possible I'm talking completely out of my ass.
And they'd all do like Hoppe.
And basically, anyone who's like more fringe than like Avril Levine is going to, you know, be physically removed.
That's right.
Well, it was Marx himself.
This was his vision for communism that, you know, why can't you be like a fisherman one day and then a painter the next day?
Yeah.
Maybe one day you wake up and feel like painting.
He's like, I'm going to paint today.
It's like, I don't know exactly how that's going to work on a societal level.
You know, Jeff Dice said once, I really thought this was a great point.
He said that the true test for being a libertarian is like whatever culture you prefer.
Like, let's say you prefer a socially conservative culture, or let's say you prefer a more socially libertine culture.
He goes, if you knew that getting rid of state power was going to result in the culture you didn't want, would you still be down to get rid of state power?
And if your answer is yes, then you're really a libertarian because you're that, you know, it's like, and the truth is, we don't, nobody really knows for sure.
My guess is that there would be pockets of very libertine areas, but overall, I think we would have a more socially conservative culture.
And the reason I think that is that I think that the state does a tremendous amount to cushion the blow of what could be considered degenerate lifestyles.
And in the market, there's harsh realities to that.
So, you know, if you're out there just like doing drugs and not working and shit like that, I doubt that voluntary communities are going to be like, oh, we're all going to pitch in to make sure that you have the minimum housing needs and education and healthcare and all these things.
It's going to be more of a force of like, no, you got to get off your ass and work.
We're not, if you have kids out of wedlock, there's not just going to be checks coming in if it was, you know, in many ways your own fault.
And I think that those checks.
Yeah, be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool.
We love the cops.
We love you guys.
You're real heroes.
You're not worse than dogs.
You can do your job.
No matter who's coming, you just have to be on their side right away.
And then when you start getting rocks through the window, we're on power.
We're on your side.
We're on your side.
Just whoever it is, cops too.
Well, you saw that video where they threw a rock through the guy's window and he starts yelling, we're on your side.
Yeah, I tweeted it.
It was fantastic.
One of my favorite things.
Oh, go ahead, finish your point.
I'm sorry, the cops scared me.
You're not getting checks to have kids out of weblock.
I'm sorry, I was busy hiding my weed.
Yes.
So, well, you're not going to get checks out of web.
I mean, you might, but the truth is that when it's done on this federal bureaucratic level, it's like everyone in the situation gets a check.
When it's done on the more communal, like local level or on a church level or something like that, they usually know the individuals better.
And if it's something like, oh my God, this is a great person whose husband was like a firefighter and died, people are going to pitch in and help that person out.
But if someone who's like, you know, doing drugs and just having more and more kids, they're probably going to be like, yeah, we're not paying you to do that.
No, or we're going to pay you.
We're going to sterilize.
We're going to pay you to get your tubes tied.
And then we're going to take your kids and we're going to raise them because you shouldn't be having.
I mean, there would be all sorts of workarounds that would be a lot harsher, that stuff that we wouldn't wrap our heads around in today's culture.
Right.
Or things that it might be something where imagine the incentives actually lining up.
Like we're going to pay you if you stop doing drugs and start making sure your kids aren't a problem in the community.
But I'm going to say something, and I'm not joking.
And I think you're getting a little bit like boomer con because I think you are underestimating how much, how prevalent drug use is among high achieving people in our culture.
My buddy was listening to Tim Ferriss and Tim talks to obviously very famous people, very accomplished people.
And the use of drugs, I don't mean like cocaine or marijuana, I mean like brain hacking drugs and things like that, is orders of magnitude more prevalent than it is among genpop.
But this is the kind of thing where these drugs aren't stigmatized because there's not the kind of drugs that the regular person is going to know about or think about.
So it becomes this very common thing with all elites where you have, you have the dog and pony show for the masses.
It was like Oscar Wilde with the gays in the Victorian era.
It's like, we're going to do what we want.
And oh, yeah, it's terrible.
It's terrible.
But behind closed doors, we're going to be complete degenerates.
But we're here to reinforce and validate your bourgeois values because that keeps you safe and comfortable because you need the people at the top to tell you what's acceptable and what's not because you're not capable or interested in making choices for yourselves.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I think that's true.
I do think though that there's maybe some justification for why people whose lives are in shambles, drug use is stigmatized more than successful people's because I really don't care.
If you're successful, I really don't care what drugs you're doing.
But if you're throwing your life away, that seems to me to be more of a problem.
Oh, of course.
I just think there's a lot of binary thinkers, and this has been a relic of the 80s and earlier, who think drugs are bad.
These are accomplished people.
Therefore, by definition, they can't be doing drugs, right?
And we see this another example, sorry, is with Hollywood and actors who take steroids, right?
You have these actors who put on muscle mass at a ridiculous rate in a short period of time.
And you will have people tell you with a straight face, well, they're not using performance-enhancing drugs.
Have you ever seen them taking them?
And it's like, no, but we know biology.
And we know that it's only possible for a human being to change so much within a window.
So if they're doing something beyond the window, it has to be through some kind of supplementation.
And blue-pilled people are not capable of perceiving this because that person is good.
People who do drugs are bad.
Therefore, by definition, this person can't do drugs.
I'll give you an example.
There's someone named Kristen Nunn.
She's on Instagram.
She's a bodybuilder.
She looks amazing, jacked out of her mind.
And she jokes about this.
She'll be like, oh, am I on steroids or not?
It's not physically possible for a female to get to that size without using steroids.
She doesn't look gigantic, but it's clearly beyond the level.
And you'll see all her fans will jump in and be like, no, don't listen to the haters, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, it's not about haters.
It's about biology.
Yes.
It's like the thing about, have you ever seen them take steroids?
It's like, no, but I have lived in this world for long enough.
I remember when I was- Wait, here's one thing.
Have you ever seen Harvey Weinstein rape anyone?
Well, Case Clay, it's like, yeah.
Well, so I remember when fuck, fuck, fuck, what's his name?
The former fat governor of New Jersey, Chris.
Chris Christie, when he, someone wrote an article about how unhealthy he was.
And he was like, are you my doctor?
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Have you looked at my medical history?
Do you know that I'm unhealthy?
I was like, yeah.
Yeah, no, we do.
I mean, like, I'm not a doctor, but like, if someone doesn't have legs, I can pretty confidently tell you that that person has no legs.
And they're like, did you go to medical school?
No, no, I didn't.
But you are morbidly obese, sir.
Yeah.
And that is not healthy.
Your blood type is butter.
Yeah, like you cannot convince me that you're okay.
But, you know, anyway.
Well, there's another example.
Star Jones, when she was on the view, she got her stomach stapled and she was very heavy.
I mean, probably, I think 300 pounds.
And she's a short woman, 5'2, 5'3.
And she got down to 100.
And it was a gastric bypass, which she later admitted.
And basically, she had everyone in the view swear not to acknowledge it or like pretend she was doing it through quote-unquote healthy reasons.
And I'm like, you are lying to people.
And there's nothing to be ashamed of if this is the process you use.
Maybe it'll help people who are at the end of their rope, but whatever it is, like I think people underestimate to what extent so much of what they even red-pill people, so much of what they see presented as fact to them in the media is a facade.
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That was a great point, a great insight that Ayan Rand had.
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That she said that bragging is a really great thing if it's something that you truly are proud of that you actually did.
And being humble when there's something that you're truly proud of that's great that you did is an evil thing to do.
And the inverse of that, of course, is bragging about something you didn't actually accomplish would be evil.
And because, of course, like, what is it?
What message does it send to the rest of people?
What impact does that have on others?
If you're, you know, you're telling someone who's overweight that I did this the right way, and they're like, man, I'm trying to do it the right way, and I can't have any of these results.
It's like, it's a really nasty thing to do.
It's very psychologically discouraging.
Yeah.
You know, and you see it like, oh, like, you know, I train harder than anyone.
That's why I get these results.
And then you'll have people start up and they're passing that at the gym and they go home and they're getting nowhere near the progress.
And then they want to, you know, kind of get extremely depressed.
And it's, and they're looking up to you as someone that they admire.
It's really sick.
And it's amazing how comfortable people who are in elite positions are with getting away with this kind of situation.
All right.
Well, that actually transitions fairly nicely into what I wanted to talk about.
One of the stories that's been catching my eye.
So this blew up on Twitter today.
I assume you probably saw this because I know you are a Twitter enthusiast.
So Chris Dahlia, who's a big comedian in Los Angeles.
I do not know him personally.
I don't recall ever meeting him.
Isn't that a good thing to say?
In these.
I do not recall.
But you know, I've been around a lot of comedy clubs.
He said I'm skank seven times.
Well, I still don't recall.
I don't recall.
You can't prove that I recall any of that.
So whatever.
I don't.
Don't try to Roger Stone me.
I do not recall this.
So he has been me too'h.
And he's, I guess, several women have come out and made accusations about sexual misconduct.
He just, I think within the last hour, denied it all.
He released a statement.
Yeah.
Even though there's receipts, there's like screen caps.
Well, here, let me see.
I have his quote right here.
This is according to TMZ.
He says, quoting Chris Dahlia here, I know I have said and done things that might have offended people during my career, but I have never knowingly pursued any underage woman at any point.
All of my relationships have been both legal and consensual, and I have never met or exchanged any inappropriate photos with the people who have tweeted about me.
Oh, that being said, I am truly, I really am truly sorry.
I was a dumb guy who absolutely let myself get caught up in my lifestyle.
That's my fault.
I own it.
I've been reflecting on this for some time now, and I promise I will continue to do better.
End quote.
So that was his response.
Now, for people who don't know, what he's been accused of is sexting, requesting nudes, and what they call grooming like 16-year-old girls.
You know, requesting nudes from 16-year-olds.
Yes.
And then, You know, a bunch of other things as well, just kind of being a creep in general.
No, no, but making memes of those pictures.
Oh, yes, that was another accusation.
Yeah, yeah, that's specific.
That's that's specific and pretty creepy.
Um, and but then there was all other just kind of run-of-the-mill creepy dude, like a 21-year-old girl and asking for a blowjob, you know, like things like that.
Um, which I don't know why it really bothers me when there's an accusation like of 16-year-olds.
And then in the same article, like I think it was on newsweek.com, in the same article, there's like, and then this other woman goes, When I was 21, he, you know, her story was when I was 21, uh, he posted that he was coming to my town.
So I replied to him, Hey, we should hang out, and he immediately DM'd me and said, Yeah, let's hang out.
And she's like, It was so weird.
And you're like, Okay, well, first of all, you approached him, and then she says, I knew he wanted sex with me.
I mean, why else would he be hanging out with me?
So he asked me to come to his hotel bar.
But that's pretty telling.
Yeah, you said, I love how she's saying there's no reason to hang out.
What else do I bring to the table?
I have nothing to offer humanity other than sex.
And then, so she meets him at his hotel bar and he texts her, like, why don't you come upstairs?
And she said, No.
And she said, Then he stopped responding to her texts.
Now, that is kind of a jerk move, but what does this have to do with like what?
Here's what bothers me, right?
Like, I think there's a line that gets blurred a lot, but there's a line between scandal and gossip.
Like, that to me is just gossip.
And it makes me uncomfortable to even know this.
It's like, I don't like gossiping about other people's like hookups.
What am I?
A fucking 16-year-old girl?
Well, right, not even a hookup, right?
It wasn't a hookup.
And it just, it makes me uncomfortable.
Like, are we high school girls here?
Like, why are we even talking about this?
And why is this in the same article with soliciting sex from children?
That is a different thing.
And I think to me, you know, I know that there's like libertarians, left libertarians like to debate age of consent laws and things like that.
And there are some gray areas when it's like a 19-year-old and a 17-year-old and things like that.
But if you're in your 30s and you're attempting to hook up with a 16-year-old, I think that that is like, I mean, I think there should be severe punishments for that.
That's that is like truly predatory evil behavior.
I don't know if I would go as far as calling it evil, but to me, if you've ever talked to someone who's 16, it's like talking to someone who's mentally disabled.
I mean, they are, they do not know what the hell is going on.
So if you are then comfortable, even a high IQ 16-year-old is just, you know, mentally disabled.
So if you're comfortable having sex with mentally disabled, I am comfortable putting a stigma upon you for that consequence.
There are a couple other things that happened with that story, which that were pretty funny.
One girl, maybe this is the same as a 21-year-old, said he told me that I could meet him behind the club and give him a blowjob.
She was a different girl.
Behind the by the dumpster, and I made up an excuse and I didn't meet him because he was such a creep.
And I go, oh, I like how you needed to have an excuse to not meet someone to blow him in an alley.
Oh, I totally would blow you in that alley, but I left the stove on.
So I can't be a whore pig, which I would totally be in any other situation.
What?
The other thing which I tend to believe these claims is one girl, a comedian, I think her last name is Arnold.
I'm blanking her name, M. Arnold, or something.
She was saying how when she got onto the scene, she was warned, do not send him nudes because he's going to make memes of them and show his friends.
And I think it is very unfortunate in both senses of the word unfortunate that you have to be told not to send someone nudes.
I mean, it's kind of like having AIDS.
You should assume whoever you're with is negative and wishes you harm and take precautions accordingly.
So before you're sending nude to some dude, This should be common knowledge.
You have to ask yourself, what if this guy turns out to be an asshole?
There's a lot of them and then does something with these nudes that you don't like.
So you really have to be ready for that.
On the other hand, maybe you think you've got a great body and you're like, hell yeah, man.
Well, and then that's fine.
That's fine.
Look, I say this about, and this is not unique to me.
Many other people have said this.
I don't know who first gave this advice, but it's very good advice.
And I said this about close friends.
If you lend a close friend money, have the mentality that you're giving them that money.
Just have the mentality that I'm giving you money.
And if it comes back to me, fine, great, but I'm not expecting it back.
And that's the mentality you should have because otherwise, otherwise don't lend them money.
You don't want to make this like an issue in a friendship.
And that's the mentality I've always had when I've lent like close friends money.
Just, okay, I'm just giving you money.
Like, cause I love you.
So why wouldn't I?
Same thing.
If you're sending nudes to someone, just have the mentality that you're showing everybody your nudes.
Now, if you're okay with that, go ahead, go for it.
But if not, don't do it because it's just, it's just a bad idea.
Particularly if it's not, and I give that advice with money with close friends.
You're talking about doing this with someone you barely know.
That's that's a risky proposition.
But I do think there look, age, age of consent in general, not just in sexual matters, becomes an interesting, you know, philosophic area for libertarians in general, because it's not like so many of our other views that are somewhat objective.
It is inherently subjective.
I mean, everyone knows, you know, if you, if you don't allow a 35-year-old to drive a car, that's crazy.
And if you allow a six-year-old to drive a car, that's crazy.
But should it be 17 or 18 or 16?
I mean, that's very arbitrary.
And likewise, it is almost like a kind of arbitrary thing where you draw the line.
And I find myself like, look, if someone in their 30s hooks up with someone who's 16, I think that person, like, I'm fine with that person going to jail.
I really don't have a problem with that at all.
If they hook up with someone who's 14, I think maybe they should be killed.
Like, I really like think that is like an outrageous crime.
And like, if they hook up with someone who's 12, I think maybe they should be like tortured.
I don't know.
Like, it's just, it becomes so evil, like each couple of years that you go away.
But then there's a weird thing also where you go like, okay, so Dane Cooks, he's his girlfriend, I think is now is 20, but he's been dating her for two years.
And so he, so he's like, was in his mid-40s dating an 18-year-old.
Now, conversation with someone like that, I don't understand.
That's bonkers, but it's a weird thing to go like, okay, so if a 30-year-old hooks up with a 16-year-old, we're going to put that person in jail.
But if a 45-year-old hooks up with an 18-year-old, that's just okay.
Like, how does it go from jail to just okay?
And where exactly is the line there?
It gets a little bit murky.
It's all pretty gross to me.
And there's also the issue with gender.
And there's also the issue with sexuality.
Is it different if it's two dudes or two women or, you know, or whatever combination?
Older woman, younger, younger man.
That's another one.
And like, you know, people laugh about that.
Like, I wish that was my high school teacher.
And then people are like, sit down and think about what you're saying.
That's not really what you want as much as it is funny as a glib joke.
And then when you think about it, you're like, yeah, you know what?
This might not be ideal.
It's not exactly cult sculpture behavior.
Yeah, I don't know that I have any particular insight or good answers.
This is such an individualist kind of issue because we know that there's plenty of people who are, you know, 16 who are ready to go and whatever.
And then there's 16 year olds who are basically children.
And physically and mentally, people develop at different rates.
So to have this kind of caught off line, which is, I guess, the top of the bell curve where you're trying to get maybe 80%, or maybe not the top, but a couple of standard deviations over trying to get 80% of people under, it's weird.
And I think there's a very big acknowledgement in the law that it's hard to work around.
I know that the laws are different and that it is very different if you're 20 and have sex with a 15-year-old than if you're 40 and have sex with a 15-year-old.
So I think that's healthy that the law recognizes this because at a certain age, it doesn't become old or younger.
It becomes daddy issues.
And then it becomes this kind of incest subtext going on there, which is some whole other level of disturbing behavior.
So these are the kind of conversations that I don't think anyone is comfortable having.
There's a book I read by Catherine Harrison many years ago called The Kiss.
And she was adopted, I think, or whatever.
And when she became an adult woman, she started having an affair with her dad, her biological dad.
And then you think about that, you're like, all right, like, you know, it comes like Jonathan Haidt, right?
This was one of Jonathan Haidt's moral questions in his book, The Righteous Mind.
The premise of this book is people have their moral conclusions and then rationalize their way backward.
And he said, okay, what if you have a brother and sister and they have sex once and they use protection and they both have a good time and they agree to keep it their secret and they never have sex again?
Is that morally wrong?
And everyone says yes.
And then when he says why, everyone's like, and to the point where the human mind starts rewriting the questions, they're like, well, what if the kid comes out deformed?
And it's like, this is a hypothetical and there's no what if.
We know exactly what happened because it's imaginary.
So working within these parameters, why is this wrong?
And then people have difficulty formulating a response.
I also think, and I know you agree and most people agree, that we have two completely different impulses going on here, which is we want to be as pro-freedom regarding sexuality as possible.
And what people do in the comfort of the bedroom is perfectly fine and so on and so forth.
And then you have there are a lot of people who are sexual predators who exploit that kind of thinking and mentality and they try to muddy the waters and they try to make it a gray area and that kind of comes creeping and creeping and things get lower and lower and lower.
And what about other parts of the world?
And that is a very sinister aspect to this whole conversation.
And this is a dirty little secret of libertarianism.
A lot of those people disproportionately find themselves attracted to libertarianism as a philosophy.
In fact, Max Stirner, who was one of the great founders of individualist anarchists, he was the hipster Nietzsche.
He was Nietzsche before Nietzsche.
He wrote this one book, The Ego and His Own.
The title is translated as in 1856 in Leipzig in Germany.
And he kind of fell by the wayside.
And then he was revived by this guy named John Henry McKay, who basically took him from the garbage can, reintroduced the book, spread his ideas to people like Benjamin Tucker, who was the big individualist anarchist in America.
Well, I just finished reading a biography of John Henry McKay.
And under the pen name of Sagitta, I think was the guy's name, he was pro-pedophile and advocating for, you know, man-boy love and how this is great and it's Greek love and blah, And not, I mean, like with kids, we're not talking about like 18 and 40.
We're talking about like 12 and we're like 14, whatever it was.
And it's just like, this is something that I don't know that we have the vocabulary to talk about.
I certainly don't really.
I don't know how to wrap my head around this kind of stuff.
Yeah, there's no question that there's, you know, there's different wings of libertarianism.
And so, you know, like I know from going to different libertarian events, like if you go to the Mises Institute, if you go to Mises University or something, you're really smart, serious kids who are really into the philosophy and economics and like all of this stuff.
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Very high in the spectrum.
Yes.
Yes.
If you go to Porkfest, you see a little bit of a different group.
And there are some people there.
Hold on, I interrupt you, but they're still smarter than the average person by far.
Sure.
Yes, the average person there is still smarter than the average person.
I don't question that at all.
However, I did, there is a percentage.
I don't know exactly what it is, who, and oftentimes it's the younger kind of left libertarian types.
Not always, just often.
And this, I'm not talking about the left libertarian intellectuals.
I'm talking about the younger kids who are lean, more left libertarian.
And a lot of them, you know, like you go to Porkfest and it's like, and by the way, I'm not against a lot of it.
Have fun.
I like to have a beer and have fun or whatever.
And in my younger days, I certainly partied a bit and stuff.
But if you.
Hey, kids, you like to party?
I got my Barls and James and I got my Marlborough cigarettes.
Who wants to party?
Party.
Study the Constitution.
Hey, obey the law.
It is great when you just look in the mirror one day and realize that you're a father pushing 40 and you're like, oh, yeah, I am every bit that.
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But a lot of them aren't just there to talk about, you know, Rothbard and Rand and the great thinkers of the movement.
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They're there for the scene and they're there because this is an ideology that lets them, whatever guilt they Might be feeling, whether that's instilled by maybe their parents or just instilled by the fact that they're not maybe doing what they think they should be doing.
Any guilt they feel about getting drunk or dropping acid or hanging out or having casual sex, this philosophy in their mind alleviates them of all of that guilt because I'm not initiating violence and I'm kids.
And there is that part of the libertarian movement.
And they also see, it seems to me, there's this is a common theme, again, not true for everyone, that they seem to be the quickest to really get triggered and snap at what you could consider the right libertarians, you know, the Hoppas of the world for their bigotry and their this.
Because what I really think just my kind of amateur psychoanalyzing of the situation is that Hoppe comes in and is kind of like, no, this isn't against rules.
We're going to have very tight rules about what you can do and you could be removed from your community.
And if you're a degenerate, we don't really want you in our community.
And they're, and this really removes their security blanket of, but I thought this was all about guilt-free sex and drug use.
And it is, there's no question that there are, there is something like when the alt-right criticism of libertarianism, I do not think applies to serious libertarians, but there is that element within the broader liberty movement.
And it's, it's silly to deny that it exists.
There's a certain subculture that, you know, they would call themselves libertarian, maybe in an older version of the term, that would say that if you are not to some extent gender fluid and polyamorous, there is something wrong with you.
They really have this idea, and I'm not saying whether they're right or wrong, I'm just saying this is their perspective, that unless you're open to everyone, you are being inherently discriminatory against gay people or trans people or races.
And if you are, you know, not to some extent gender fluid, maybe they wouldn't use that word, you're reinforcing traditional gender roles and the patriarchy.
Now, why there's a little bit of a bait and switch, in my opinion, is we all have masculine aspects and feminine aspects to our personalities and so on and so forth.
And a lot of times these words don't really have as much meaning as people like them to think.
You know, for example, when they say gender is a social construct, a lot of that, there's some truth to that.
If a guy cries, it could be a sign that he's, you know, he's like a girl, or it could be he's really passionate and intense and he just saw his buddy's legs get blown off.
And this is a sign of his strength and him reaching his limit.
There's no shaming whatsoever.
And I know people are rolling their eyes because that's not what they mean, but I'm just saying this is an example of how that expression can be used correctly.
But yeah, they really is this, I think, I think there's a lot of pressure in certain, especially college circles, to be open to all sexual experiences and all kinds of genders and things like that.
And, you know, if you don't, it's kind of, oh, bourgeois, whatever.
And it's, I, there was this one show, it really bothered me.
I went full Dave Smith RomneyCon.
It was the guy.
Severe conservative.
Severe.
Binders full of juice.
There was this, I forget his name.
He was the friend on Broad City.
They gave him a spin-off and he was just doing a bunch of characters.
And I was watching one at the first episode I turned off.
And the skit is the dad sitting down the college son.
And the college son is so woke and it's haha gender issues.
And the dad's trying to teach him about the birds and the bees.
And the son's like, well, when a man loves a woman, what do you mean, man?
Do you mean someone with male genitalia?
And dad's like, wait, hold on.
And like, it's like, ha ha ha, this stupid dad has these old-fashioned issues and doesn't he realize the kids today realize that everything could have sex with everything and it's all going to be fine.
And it's, it's like, we talk a lot about peer pressure and how bad it is with drug use and things like that.
But I think this is a taboo that it is not acceptable to talk about peer pressure at universities about issues like complete open sexuality and complete openness to gender.
Because then it's like, oh, you're reactionary or you're a TERF or this and that.
And it's kind of unfortunate.
And I say this as someone who has a framed autograph photo of Candy Darling in his kitchen.
Right.
Yeah.
It's there's, I mean, to me, I think it's undeniable that there is quite a bit of peer pressure and there's quite a bit of, you know, ostracizing people who don't fit into the accepted narrative.
Can I say one more thing?
I think the left, if one of the definitions of right and left is their relationship toward hierarchy, right?
By definition, and this is one of the axes of left and right, left people want to be equal and to take down hierarchies.
People on the right regard hierarchies as either natural or desirable or admirable or something like that.
So there is a feigned or sincere shock when someone says that people engage in insincere status-seeking behavior for a leftist.
Like, oh my God, who acts like this?
Oh, you're just making something.
This is cynical, blah, blah.
You know, they have their whole little speech and they freak out.
But for those of us who aren't part of this mentality, it is indisputable that human beings are status-seeking people, men and women.
And when you create an environment where acting in vision A, B, or C results in them having higher status in some way, there will be some people and a not insignificant amount who will engage in that behavior simply because now they can increase their status, especially people who are very low status and have no other mechanism to improve it.
Yes, that is.
Well, you see that, and you see that all around you.
It's the people who don't really have anything else to offer who are quite oftentimes the first ones to label everyone they don't like racist or sexist or xenophobic.
Because if you take that weapon away from them, what makes them relevant or even in this conversation at all?
And now they can assert dominance over someone who's higher status than them.
Or attempt it at least.
Or attempt it.
Yeah.
Now they've landed a blow and now they're not at zero.
They've actually gotten somewhere.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And it's also, you know, it's with the left libertarians particularly, they end up getting themselves in wild contradictions.
I mean, all of them do.
I really should say with all of the being opposed to hierarchy, you always end up in wild contradictions because it's just hierarchy is ingrained in all biological life.
There's no way.
I mean, you know, it's like intersectionality is a hierarchy in its own way.
They just recreate a hierarchy immediately.
There's no way to get out of it.
Can I say one thing?
Because this is something I have a lot of background in because my background is in zoology, right?
The term pecking order comes from birds.
And I had in my house, there's an art story written about it by Harvey P. Cart in his book, Our Movie Year.
I had a fish that was called a big eye, and that was from the Caribbean Ocean.
And I had a double-banded soapfish from the Indian Ocean.
And I had a cowfish from the longhorn cowfish from the Pacific.
And I had a batfish.
I think that was Atlantic.
Basically, literally, the only place on earth these fish were in the same space was my house.
Like literally, nowhere else on earth were they in the same space because they're pretty rare species and kept cultivation anyway.
When it came time for food, they figured out a system who's going to get it first.
They spoke each other's languages, even though for millions of years, these fish have never seen each other.
They use posture, they used aggression, whatever needs to happen.
So the premise, and even within a group, like a pack of dogs, it's going to be across species and within species.
You are going to have a hierarchy inevitably.
So like you're saying, if you think now you could say, okay, we're humans, we're above that.
To claim that human beings can transcend being animals is to claim that we can step outside of nature.
That is not.
Possible and it's not even.
It's completely nonsensical, because you can't step outside of nature, there's nowhere else to go.
And it's particularly incompatible with um, opposition to statism.
Yeah um, because there's that which, of course, by the way, state the statism is a hierarchy of its own right, like I mean obviously um, but you know people who are left libertarians, or even the hardcore marxists who claim to be anarchists at their at their core, you know like they want a stateless, classless society.
But the problem is that human beings, in organically, will always fall into some type of hierarchy, number one because it's in our nature and number two because it's the best way for us to interact with each other.
It's, it really is the best way.
I mean, if we, if you just look at a basketball team, there's a reason why they have a coach and a captain and a center and a point guard and all that because if everyone's just got the same role and everyone's equal leadership, nothing is, it's not going to work.
It's just not going to be as effective.
And this is sports are a great way to kind of demonstrate these things, because you can actually tangibly see what works and what doesn't work, and the only thing that's ever going to enforce this natural spontaneous, organic order.
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Not occurring is going to be the heavy hand of a state.
It's.
The only way to to break that out of people is to force them, and then, of course, the guy forcing them automatically becomes the top of the hierarchy.
You can't tear down hierarchy without just recreating a hierarchy, and usually a worse one.
Um, there is something uh well, you know what I wanted to mention before we switch gears uh, about the, the Chris Delia thing, and and to be fair, I don't know if he's guilty or not, and I I usually maintain that with all of these situations my, my rule of thumb and I don't know him at all is the more specific an accusation is, the more likely it is to be true.
Now, that's not always true, it's.
I'm just saying it's a general rule.
So if someone is saying something like hey, I was told he takes pictures and makes memes out of them, that is very specific and it's also not even remotely implausible.
No, it's not implausible, but but being specific, I mean Tawana Brawley was pretty specific about what those cops did to her, and that you know.
So it's it.
It might make it more likely, but it certainly isn't.
You know uh a certainty or or even anything approaching that.
So I do you know, with most of these situations, I just kind of maintain the like, I don't know.
I just don't know whether or not you're uh guilty.
I did see uh, Kurt Metzger had a really funny tweet that I uh fuck, I retweeted it.
God damn it.
You know Kurt, I don't know him.
Yeah, I know he is funny, he's a funny comedian um, very funny that's, wasn't he on the list with you?
Oh, I don't know.
Did he make the list?
I know you did, and Lewis didn't.
Yeah.
No, I think Lewis has a great shot next year.
He's just going to ramp it up with the race war.
He's going to stop a little bit.
You know, he's really literally.
It was his whole brand is being racist.
I don't know if you guys saw his special.
I was there to the taping.
I know you were too.
It was so excellent.
I was not.
I was not at the taping.
It was the day after my daughter was born.
Oh.
So I didn't make it.
He had this whole great bit about how the good thing about being Puerto Rican is when the race war hits, we're going to sit back and see who's the winner and say we were on their side the whole time.
I'm like, that is hilarious.
And meanwhile, the guy is marching with Black Lives Matter and then starting white power chants at Skatecress.
He's living it.
He doesn't just joke about this shit.
He's really living it.
Like, motherfucker, he's really going to get to pick the winning side.
I tweeted him during all these protests.
I said, it's here.
Which side are you on at Lewis J. Gomez?
And he's like, I'm like, I know you saw it, asshole.
All right.
So Kurt tweeted this.
I just, I got a kick out of this.
He said, he uh, Kurt tweeted, quick question.
Are we de-instating the concept of due process for Chris Dahlia that we literally just reinstated for Joe Biden after previously de-instating it for all men?
Please, someone, I just want to be on the right side of history.
Oh, my God.
What a nuke.
Excellent tweet.
Excellent tweet.
It is pretty funny to watch this believe women thing get selectively applied when convenient.
And it seems like Chris Dahlia is not useful enough to get the no, you get due process.
But there is another thing that I saw that I can't.
So I'm prefacing with saying, I don't know what happened here, but there is something that I saw.
I got to say one thing because I saw an article that says they were accusing him of sexual assault.
Nothing I've heard or read comes even close to sexual assault.
I get a lot of inappropriate behavior, but nothing, unless you're saying sexual rape.
If you're, if there's children involved, I understand calling that an assault.
I mean, if now, you know, nothing I saw actually accused him of statutory rape.
They accused him more of like attempted statutory rape.
But still, you know, I'll let that one slide just because if you're soliciting nude pictures from children is to me, it's a sex crime of some sort.
I'm sorry.
I think there's this is why I disagree.
I think there's a very big difference between using the same term for I want nudes from a 16-year-old and I raped a chick.
To have the word assault cover both, these are conceptually very different situations.
But assault is a broad term and assault would cover punching someone in the shoulder or stomping them on the floor after they're unconscious.
So, you know, listen, I get what you're saying.
Technically, probably, at least from what I've seen, it hasn't been an accusation of an assault.
I think it's predatory behavior.
Sure.
I think it's useful that whenever possible, we should be as specific as possible.
I agree.
I don't like broad words.
I don't like, I hate the term sexual misconduct.
I hate the term racist for that because it's like, what are we talking about?
Yeah, really.
Talking about you.
What are you talking about?
Me?
I see the Turner diaries behind you on that shelf.
No, they're right behind my head, right here.
I don't.
But, you know, the term, what I hate about the term racist is that it's just, it's so broad and then is intentionally widened to the point where you're like, what does this mean?
Are you talking about genocide or white silence?
Yeah.
Because literally that same term can mean any of it.
And then when you label someone racist, it's like, okay, just be a little more specific with me.
What are you saying?
Because if some, you know, if somebody is like has their personal feelings about people of a different race and kind of generalizes them and goes, I don't really like hanging out with Asians.
Well, we could call that racist for sure.
But if then someone screams in the face of some Chinese guy, go back to your country on the street, that's also racist.
To me, those are two wildly different things to do in scope of evil.
The cathedral encourages binary thought as much as possible, and our education system being a part of that.
And the point I've made many times is there were lots of people who are full-blown anti-Semites who do not like Jews, who do not want to be around Jews.
If you bring one home, God help you.
And the idea of children being gassed to death would mortify them to every inch of their being.
This is what Martin, I've made this point before with Martin Luther King.
When you are, you could be a full-blown racist, think blacks inferior, blacks can't, whites can't live together, all this other stuff.
And you turn on TV and you see men and women in suits getting assaulted with fire hoses and dogs, and you could be like, I'm not for this.
Sorry, I'm out.
So I think any kind of nuanced thinking is something we're very much trained to avoid and to stigmatize.
And that term racist is a great way to cash in on this because you're equating Hitler with grandma who wants to make sure you don't bring one of them home.
And these are not the same phenomenon.
And the argument they want to make is that grandma leads to Hitler.
And that's not true because grandma is all over the world.
Every culture has someone.
We don't want you bringing one of them home.
It could be the Japanese person if you're Chinese or Korean hating the Chinese, whatever.
Oftentimes, yes, and oftentimes the closest genetically are the ones who are the most passionate.
You know, like it's the Sunni Shiite, Chinese, Japanese, like that type of shit, where they really, really are very tribal.
No, the thing that bothers me the most that I find to be the most just reprehensible, despicable quality is when you are the people who, when someone attempts to speak with nuance on these things, immediately labels you back into the binary.
It's usually done by a lot of low status midwit types.
And I know I've had, you know, I've dealt with a few of them.
I made the point on a show a while ago.
And this is one of the things that the, as me and Tom call the loser brigade, has jumped on me a lot for.
But the point that I was making, of course, would be disclaim it.
I say this as a Jewish person whose family was slaughtered in the Holocaust, which really did happen.
But the point I made was that people, I said, Holocaust deniers are, you know, made out to be like the worst thing you can be is somebody who denied the Holocaust.
And I just, if you look at this in a nuanced way, believing that a historical event that I know did happen didn't happen is not the same thing as rooting for that event to happen.
They believe it didn't happen.
Now, yes, most of all that Venn diagram is pretty overlapping.
Well, no, I don't know if that's true or not.
Let me quote Chris Cantwell, who said, I find it, I find it funny that the same people who think the Holocaust didn't happen are the ones who said it should.
Oftentimes, they are.
But what is reprehensible about that is them wishing it did happen.
Yes.
And the point I was making was just that if there's somebody who doesn't believe, they go, you know, I really think the numbers are exaggerated of the amount of Jews who were killed.
And then there's somebody else who enthusiastically supports the war in Yemen.
Which one am I supposed to be more morally outraged by?
I think rooting on the current genocide is far worse than denying a past genocide.
But of course, when you say this, it's as soon as you get into any type of nuanced conversation like this, immediately the low IQ response is like, oh, look at Dave.
He doesn't have a problem with Holocaust deniers, or he's, you know, like giving a platform to them.
It's like, no, I just think it's interesting, it's worth having a conversation about.
And like you said, there is a difference between somebody who hates Jews or somebody who thinks Jewish propaganda controls the world and somebody who would actually be down to fucking kill children.
There is a difference.
I love how we're talking about political nuance and you're like, yeah, what about Holocaust denial?
They're cool.
What?
I have this nuanced position on Holocaust denial.
Well, I do.
I don't know why I like, I just like flirting with getting in trouble.
So, okay, so you know, but literally, we, I fucked, there was another story I wanted to talk about.
But, all right, let's, let's do that one because this, this, in the last few minutes that we have.
Well, I'm just going to say one more thing to the binary thing.
One of my favorite tweets, and I hit this tweet every like two or three, two or three times a week is by Neon Taster.
If you guys don't follow him, it's just absolutely great.
And this tweet is one of their best tweets of all time.
He goes, if you go out to the left and aren't a Trump person, they have no idea how to talk to you and will just proceed as if you are and bring him up incessantly.
And many times this has happened.
And someone will be like, you're only saying that because he upsets your boy Trump.
And I'll just cut and paste it as a reply to Neon Taster and they'll start doubling down.
You totally are a Trump person.
And then I'll paste my quote where I said, I think Trump should be imprisoned with all the politicians.
And then they don't know what to say.
I've literally, it's worse than that.
I've had them where people are accusing me of being a Trump supporter.
And then like, you know, like fans post back at them like clips of me saying that Trump should be impeached and tried for war crimes and he should be convicted and put away for the rest of his life or executed for what he's done in Yemen specifically.
And they'll respond to that and go, he's just saying that to cover his bases.
He's just, he's a Trump supporter who just throws that out there every now and then so he can't be accused of being a Trump supporter.
Yes, I'm a Trump supporter who thinks the man should be imprisoned for war crimes.
Like, oh, like you have been.
You're supporting him being imprisoned, a Trump supporter.
It's like you have the level of mental gymnastics.
Like you've bent over backward and then around 360 again into a pretzel just to get back to your binary world where it's really binary thinkers clinging to their binary thinking is something.
It's really a spectacle.
It's disturbing to see because at a certain point, then it's like, oh, wow.
Like you look like a human being, but in a full sense of the term, you're not.
Right.
Yes, exactly.
That's why the NPC meme is so great.
So the other thing I wanted to mention quickly, as we're running up against the clock here, is another thing that I found disturbing and really I think is something that libertarians and anarchists should think about, is the ad boycott of Tucker Carlson that they just got a whole.
Now, he's had trouble with advertisers for a while, but they just got this major boycott where a whole bunch of big corporations pulled out from boycotting Tucker Carlson's show.
And the thing that I find so interesting, I mean this is what what's known as woke capitalism.
Yeah, to me this is like one of the most um salient examples of that.
So Tucker Carlson at least has been.
He goes back and forth with Hannity, but for the last couple weeks he's been he's number one in cable news.
He has has the biggest audience.
He dwarfs the shows on CNN and Msnbc.
I mean he has more than any hour of theirs combined, CNN and Msnbc.
Um, he's just killing it.
People are drawn to his message and yet these corporations will turn down this, this big chunk of money short term, to bet on wokeism um, long term.
Now, me and you have discussed this uh uh, this phenomenon before, but I will say, if I were, just if I were talking about it in a theoretical and I was just hypothetical about how the market would work.
I would tell you there's no way that the show who has the number one show is going to have trouble getting advertisers on that show, and it's what's interesting to me.
So I was arguing with a member of the Loser Brigade uh on uh on twitter the other day who is a uh, a uh, a libertarian socialist.
He calls himself, and here's something that's really funny to me.
So right away he starts going, well, this is just because Tucker's a racist and he's horrible and all these awful things.
And it's like, why would a racist in a racist America have trouble getting advertisers according to that's right.
Well, that's a big, that's a big uh issue for them to solve.
Also, the funny thing is like, look, I I don't agree with Tucker Carlson on everything, but from a libertarian position.
I think he's probably the best conservative in the last 30 years.
On the other hand, he's kind of weak on your holocaust denial issue.
He believes that the holocaust happened.
So yeah, i'm not.
I didn't say he was perfect.
I prefaced by saying I disagree with him on a lot of things, but he is listen, it's amazing to me and and particularly for, like a left libertarian, like as this guy you know, I I address you do you not find it to be a little bit amazing that the most passionate assertive, anti-war person in cable news is the 8 p.m hour on FOX NEWS and has the biggest audience in in cable news?
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That's to me like, at least that, even if you deny everything else man, there's something really of value there.
I I don't know if some of these guys are old enough to have lived through the Bush administration development.
No, I don't think that he's a value to them at all.
It's not a function of how right wing he is, it's a function of how popular he is.
If Tucker Carlson was 15, they wouldn't give a crap.
The fact is, they're always going to go after the biggest target, because if you take out number one, everyone else is going to fall in line.
No, but i'm not.
No, I understand that from a lefty perspective yeah, but from a libertarian, socialist perspective, who's against the war, that was against wars.
I would think you would at least see some value there.
And then the other thing that's ironic, wouldn't they say that perpetuating racism inevitably leads to perpetuating war?
I think that's their strain of thought yes, they would probably have some, some ridiculous justification like that.
No, it's not ridiculous, because if you, if you value brown people's lives less, you're going to be that much more willing to invade Iraq.
There's a reason we're invading Iraq and not not, you know England?
Okay fine, but then, by that same logic, if you are against invading Iraq and Somebody and just have whatever because you don't value the lives of Iraqis, to save them.
Right.
Okay.
So that seems to be a kind of heads-i-wind, tales-you-lose type of game.
Um, but if you do actually value brown people's lives, then your most important issue should probably be ending the genocides that are going on over there.
They're big, but they're big nationalists.
Like, lefties do not really care about other countries at all.
They really are very much part of that social gospel which started over 100 years ago, which is we have to redeem the soul of America.
And they, the only countries they care about are the countries that are Okaran and the New Yorker or whatever it is.
And they're supposed to be caring about, you know, one random country a week.
And when that changes, they completely freak.
What happened to Greece?
Remember Greece?
Like, they had this huge debt issue, and the EU was having a problem.
And then they voted in this like hardcore left government.
Everyone's like, oh, yeah, like they just vanish.
Like, there's there, there'll be a country that they care about for like a month.
The Syrians is another one.
It's like, they don't fucking care about Syria anymore.
So they don't, they're very, very, very much more nationalist than almost anyone on the right because they only care about control over what they can control, which is their own country.
Yeah, no, that is a very good point.
The other thing that I just find to be ironic, and it's crazy that it doesn't even give them pause is that these people will go like, you go, well, no, it goes like, that's just, that's just Tucker's racism catching up with him.
And yeah, you want, you know, they call him white nationalist and all this other shit that he isn't.
But, you know, I have plenty of problems with him, but he's not a white nationalist by any stretch of the imagination.
But it's like, do you even realize, Mr. Socialist, that you're arguing that the biggest corporations in the world, we're talking like Disney, these big corporations, that they are acting out of a true, you know, concern for racist behavior.
That like this is you.
So here you have a person who millions of Americans, my guess is Tucker's audience isn't like billionaires.
It's a bunch of working class people.
I mean, I don't know how many, what percentage of people.
Elderly people.
Yes, but I would say, I mean, I don't know what percentage of Tucker's audience would be defined as the working class, but it's millions.
It's millions of people for sure.
So millions of working class people enjoy this show, and huge multinational corporations are pulling out.
And you, socialists, find yourself on the side of the multinational corporations.
And that gives you no moment of pause to just go, huh?
That's kind of in conflict with my entire worldview.
Yeah, I mean, this is one of the things I always yell at the alt-right about, right?
Because they think that, okay, the left cares really badly about Muslims this week, or they really care about trans people.
And I always say, if the trans people didn't exist, if Muslims didn't exist, there'd be some group they could latch onto to further hold on power.
And the proof of this, not just evidence, but proof, is look how the Labor Party in Britain, it's not called the Democrats, it's called the Labor Party.
It's named after Labor.
Look how they talk about the working class when the working class votes Tory.
They're not like, oh, what have we done?
We've lost our base.
We have to give them back.
It's like these people are scum who should be eradicated from the face of the earth.
So as they're all for some group, if that group serves the purpose and falls in line and can be used kind of as like a ship to cross the river.
But as soon as there's holes in that ship, the condemnation will be without cessation and just terrifying to behold.
Yeah.
And you had made the point months back when there was that CNN segment where they were doing the impression of Trump supporters.
Oh, yeah.
And you were talking about right, right.
And how this is just, it's just racism, you know, applied to a different group.
It's just the same old tropes used against a different group.
If you really want to see like hardcore, blatant racism, and I mean, it's worse than what the alt-right does, because in terms of just how they speak to people, maybe not the worst shit poster or something like that, but in terms of like alt-right leaders, they at least, even though you can kind of tell they really feel this way, they try to mask it a little bit.
You know, like people like Richard Spencer, guys like that, they'll say things like, they'll be like, well, I don't hate any other group.
I just don't really want to live amongst them.
And I just care about my people.
And I just care, you know, they'll try to kind of put it in as non-hateful a light as they can, even though it does rightfully come off hateful.
But listen to your average left-winger, talk to a person of color who's not a left-winger, and you're going to see some outrageous, all of a sudden, all the protections go away, and demeaning terms like Uncle Tom, like Tony Negro.
It's worse if they're for the gays.
Then they're really run out of town in a rail because then it's like blah, blah, blah.
AIDS, Reagan, we're under attack.
Like how you're disgusting.
You're so privileged.
We should be better.
Yeah.
It's much worse.
They'll attack you for it.
And the funny thing is, and I know I'm sure you've seen a few of these videos, but there's several different videos of Antifa, which, of course, are the white people, or not all of them, but the group is pretty much, you know, 99% white.
They're whiter than us.
Oh, sure are.
Sure are.
When they're screaming at a black cop, they don't even see the irony that they'll single out the black cop in the group of policemen and just start hurling racial epithets at the guy.
It's unbelievable to watch.
No, because it is a religious faith, and these black cops are, in two sense of the word, perversions of the natural order.
Like we know how it's supposed to be.
You're the exact opposite.
You're an abomination.
And any religion, when it comes across an abomination, attacks it in the most vituperative language possible.
Like you, you should not exist.
Like you're that much against what the world should look like.
So the rage is, in one sense, follows suit from their premises.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I think that's exactly right.
But let's also talk about privilege.
I mean, the idea that I mean, privilege, I'm not a fan of the cops.
Obviously, I'm no fan of the government and I'm a big fan of this country, but there is no, I might think there's literally almost no example as a better example of privilege than feeling comfortable berating someone on camera who has the legal authority to use violence against you, knowing nothing's going to happen.
That is as safe as it gets.
I'm just going to say one more thing.
Derek Freeman, who I adore, love you, Derek, from New Hampshire.
He did a movie called Derek's Victimless Crime Spree.
I talk about this in my book, Then You Write.
And he was doing all these things in Keene, New Hampshire.
And just he was like yelling at like a crossing guard because she didn't really have the legal right to do it.
And we all kind of cringe.
I'm sure he's not a fan of it now.
I can't speak for him.
But it's kind of like, listen, if your idea of the Gestapo is tax-funded crossing guards, like this is gold sculpture, man.
Let's just relax.
No, and it's just, and it's hard to like, even people like me, you know, who's been, I've been talking, I've used the term police state probably a zillion times in the last decade, not a decade, and I've railed against it.
But you'll see like these kids out there shouting at cops, you know, and they're like, this is what a police state looks like.
You're like, it's really not like you just, if you just know a little bit about what real police states look like, it's not that.
You know what a police state looks like?
Do you remember when the Major League Baseball went to Cuba for the first time in decades after Obama opened up relationships with Cuba?
And they're doing an ESPN broadcast.
And this very dark-skinned Cuban guy runs up in the back and he starts protesting.
And he's like, the Castro regime is blah, And an unmarked car with four non-suit-wearing people just grab this guy, shove him in a car, and drive off.
Oh, my goodness.
This guy, who the hell knows where he is?
He had Hillary Clinton syndrome.
Yes, that's right.
So they take you, shove you in a van and take you away.
And then you say, oh, he had pneumonia.
That's what happens if you're if you're Hillary Clinton or if you have dirt on Hillary Clinton.
Yeah, ironically, either one.
He had pneumonia and he's still in the hospital 20 years later.