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Narrative Shattered: The Pretti Hoax Has Been Blown Wide Open

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We're here back in Washington, D.C.
And don't let our B-roll deceive you because it is a snowy, icy, freezing cold Washington, D.C.
The roads here are terrible.
I have no idea who's in charge of this.
It's absolute chaos on the streets.
But one thing where there's even more chaos is in the narrative in Minneapolis that it was completely shattered yesterday.
Today is January 29th, 2026.
Anno Domini joining me here in studio is Dr. Charles Cornishdale, aka the Raw Ag Nationalist.
What's up, Brad?
It's great to be with you again, Jack.
So let me ask you this.
We see this video, and guys, as we're chatting, you know, throw up the B-roll a little bit of this.
This new video of Alex Predi brought to us, verified by the BBC of all places, you know, very strange there.
This completely destroys the narrative, doesn't it?
That they were trying to say that this individual was some peaceful nurse rendering aid.
He was merely there for on the side of the angels.
And so many people lied about this.
And I think we need to really spend the entire episode talking about all of them.
Yeah, I think we should.
I mean, it's yet again, it's vindication of our instincts, our basic instincts.
As soon as that first footage came out of the shooting, it was like, no, this guy, this isn't his first rodeo.
This guy is obviously not just a bystander.
He's obviously not just a good Samaritan who tried to intervene, you know, to help a woman who was being heinously attacked by immigration agents.
No, this guy is a violent person, is obviously a violent person, is probably a professional to some degree, has probably done this kind of thing before.
Nope, it was denied until leftists and anti-Trump people were blue in the face.
And then look what happens.
We get confirmation that this is actually, this is actually an unpleasant person.
This was a deeply unpleasant person.
He's spitting at immigration agents.
And there's something, I'll say this, to me, even in that first footage, there's something in the eyes, there's something in the bearing that I've seen before at so many of these Antifa riots, at so many of these situations, where you know, you just know, you've seen it a million times, this look, the rigidity, the way he squares up, the way he launches himself at the officers when they first arrive.
And people want to play this game of the freeze frame game, I call it, where they just go through bit by bit like it's Zabruder film and you can, you know, but that's not what it's like in reality.
There's the sirens and the shrill whistles and actually have one of the whistles.
I left it home.
I should have grabbed it.
And this cacophony of sounds created by the agitators to escalate the tensions on the ground.
Keep in mind that these agents are not going around looking for protesters.
They're going around sweeping for illegal aliens.
Well look, I mean, with the René Good case, then what did we see afterwards?
We saw the shooting for various different angles, but we also saw footage of Rene Good's wife saying, I didn't believe you had real bullets.
I thought you didn't have real bullets.
They're there to escalate.
Of course they're there to escalate.
They want to escalate.
But at the same time, they don't seem to understand the stakes a lot of the time.
And so, yeah, I mean, you know, you've been nose to nose with these Antifa people before.
Smell to smell.
Smell to smell.
We'll be right back.
Hold that butt.
That's just a couple blocks from here, as a matter of fact, up the way where it's true.
They are feral, they are committed, and they are extremely violent.
Right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily with the Raw Egg Nationalist.
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And, you know, I talk about, you know, obviously Patriot Protect is an ad that we do, but these people, when you look at the signal chats, when you look at the things that Alex Predi was doing, and we had Mike Howell on here yesterday from the Oversight Project, who is fair, he's gained access to some of these signal chats and is fairly certain that he's found an account that was associated with Alex Predi.
And that's exactly what they're doing, isn't it?
They're doxing, they're going after people.
So my brother was in the field and they would be finding people that they thought may have looked like Kevin and were sharing photos around, even there in the field.
What would they do if they had actually uncovered, say, Kevin or Cam Higby or Nick Sortor or any of these people?
What do you suppose an Alex Predi who comes there?
Remember, we were told originally, oh, he's, you know, he's just got his gun for the Second Amendment purposes.
He's just got it.
And by the way, by the way, how was it that in the state of Minnesota, he was able to keep his permit even after assaulting and attacking federal agents the first time?
Because we were told this was a guy who had no criminal history.
We were told this was a guy who was on the side of the angels, and yet we see him attacking guards, attacking these agents, I should say, border guards.
And he is able to keep that.
The entire media told us that he had no criminal history.
We can see his criminal history on video.
What is going on in Minnesota?
Why didn't Tim Walz and Jacob Fry enforce their own laws?
And Ren, I'll cut it back to you because I think they're protecting these people.
Yeah, of course they're protecting these people.
And I think, you know, when you said, who was that like?
I mean, I'll tell you who Alex Pretty reminds me of, actually.
Is that Joseph Rosenbaum, one of the guys who tried to kill Kyle Rittenhouse?
Shoot me.
Shoot me.
Yeah, go.
Assault me.
It's exactly the same language.
And what did Joseph Rosenbaum do?
He tried to disarm Kyle Rittenhouse and wanted to kill him.
He wanted to kill him simply for being in Kenosha and trying to protect a business from being burned down.
Which, by the way, not very far from Minneapolis.
Exactly.
No, I mean, this is all linked.
I mean, there is a very distinctive MO that Antifa has, and there is a very distinctive way, actually, that the Democrat Party and the left, the organs of leftist government, utilizes groups like Antifa and these people on the ground as foot soldiers, as a paramilitary.
And that is what they are.
And, you know, there's compelling analysis.
There was a thread on Twitter actually by a chap called Eric Schwalm, I think, about, and he was a warrant officer, I think, in the special forces.
And he talked about, you know, the similarities between what was happening, what has been happening in Minneapolis, and what he saw in Anbar province in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The same kinds of organization, the same kinds of division of labor where you have people who are spotters and they're watching and you have people.
And what people have to know about these spotters is that, so I actually met with James O'Keefe yesterday after the show, and he was telling me, he said, Jack, they're in cafes, they're in hotel lobbies, sometimes they work in the hotels, sometimes they work in the restaurants, they're on every block, and they're spread throughout the city so that, oh, when there's a convoy, boom, they come up.
So Alex Predi that morning, he's not, you know, walking down the street minding his business.
No, he's on duty.
He's on duty as one of these active spotters, and that's why he's the first on the scene.
So for people to say, oh, well, you know, he just showed up to a protest.
No, He showed up to disrupt the operation to protest.
To do his job.
To do his job, exactly.
The protest, the riot, all of that came after the fact.
And, you know, I think to go back to the Rene Good thing, her husband.
Her husband.
No.
Her wife.
Sorry.
Her wife.
Freudian.
Freudian.
Freudian slip there.
Her wife.
Or you could even say Street Wave, because actually there's no record of them actually being married.
Quite, yeah, quite.
But her partner, her wife, had been that week to an organized, it was a Zoom session, I think, but it was nevertheless an organized training session on how to disrupt ICE operations using vehicles.
I mean, you know, this is organized.
I mean, this is the.
And of course, the tactic that we see, and we'll have Will Chamberlain on here in a minute who knows about this.
One of the other tactics is the de-arrest.
So when he sees an ICE officer, an ICE agent going towards whether it's a woman, a fellow comrade, a neighbor, right?
Barack Obama's word, that's the new word, the neighbor, right?
Tovarish.
The new word is de-arrest.
So we're going to go and disrupt even the arrest.
That's what he's doing when he's going over with the woman.
Yes, it's not that he has some sort of objection to the ICE agent or the CBP agent is being too rough, it's being brutal.
It's no.
I mean, it's the moment you see someone being arrested, you need to get in the way.
And what does that do?
Well, it makes it harder to arrest the person.
Maybe they can escape, but it also makes the likelihood of escalation greater.
And look what happened.
Look what happened.
But these people know exactly what they're doing.
They're coached, they're trained, they're ready for this.
So that being said, and we are going to have to check this out, the pattern, and I'm going to go in even here a step further.
The fact that he armed himself multiple times while knowing that he was going out to these incidents, going out on duty, going out as an agitator.
We see him do it the first time, we see him do it again, and we know that he did not have his legal ID or his carry permit, which I have my carry permit on me right now.
I'll leave it to you to figure out whether or not I'm armed.
And I've got my ID on me right now.
And you know that if you're going out to lawfully carry, you will carry those things.
He did not do that either time.
No.
No, and that's, again, I mean, I think.
As far as we know, if they're first I should say that was another parallel, I think, with the Rittenhouse thing, right?
Gage, I think it was Gage Grosskreutz was expired.
Yeah, he was armed, he had a pistol, he was advancing on Carl Ruth Naus to execute him on the floor.
Yes.
But no, he wasn't, he didn't have a permit.
He wasn't legally.
an expired permit if I believe.
So I mean yeah I mean do you they know what they're doing I think that that's the that's what I'm saying.
And that's the key here.
I keep hearing this from the Lulbertarians out there saying oh but I thought you were for the Second Amendment.
I thought you were for gun rights.
And of course we're for those for the purposes of self-defense.
Criminals use guns every day.
We don't support criminals using firearms because we don't support crime.
Okay, this is a very basic thing.
But this is something I want to tease out with you a little bit because we have seen the Lulbertarians completely take the side of this offender, someone who's been, he was certainly violently resisting arrest the first time.
He has no one to blame for himself other than himself for what happened.
But we see him the second time as well.
He is not using this firearm for the purposes of self-defense.
He's using it for offense or attempting to.
Yeah, of course.
And I think that's a crucial distinction is, you know, I mean, yes, I mean, everybody supports the Second Amendment or should support the Second Amendment, but you shouldn't get confused about the purposes that these weapons serve.
I mean, he is going out there not only to disrupt, but potentially actually to use a weapon, maybe to kill an immigration agent.
I mean, and certainly to make it more likely that the situation will escalate.
And yeah, but these Lulbertarians, every time, they have completely the wrong instincts every single time.
It's this sort of sense that any time the government is used and government force is used for any purpose, then you must be against it.
Even if we see in this case a violent individual who is armed in the first video, and by the way, I'm not conceding any point of this.
He's obviously disrupting traffic and is either blocking traffic or urging cars to come forward to disrupt an arrest operation.
He's interjecting himself while armed.
So that's an armed roadblock that he is attempting to set up.
And then he's bringing his comrades further.
He's already put out the call for more people to come because he wants to disrupt this operation.
Again, while armed.
That was his own irresponsible action.
Then he's attacking agents while armed.
And that means at some point, he intended to draw for some reason.
And he knows that his target is ICE agents.
Now, we don't see him, again, we don't see him draw, but at the same time, this is visible.
It's visible the entire time.
Yeah, well, he did.
I mean, he did reach for his magazine.
And he reached for it, yeah.
So, well, he doesn't realize that it's just his magazine at this point.
But still, I mean, the point stands.
If there had been a gun there, he would have drawn it and he might have shot someone.
And we have no idea what would have happened.
And that's why you can't look at these things in play the freeze frame game.
You have to look at the totality of evidence as it was understood by the people at the time.
Right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Daily.
Talk about influencers.
These are influencers.
And they're friends of mine.
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Jack?
He's got a great job.
I want to say something about that.
So Jack Pisovic back live here, Human Events Daily.
We're in studio, Washington, D.C. with the Roig Nationalist.
One of the things that I wanted to point out here with Alex Preddy is that he was now there's a lot of rumors going around about his family, things his family has said, his parents have said his job in and out of work, which exactly it was.
We don't know exactly the details of that, and there have been some rumors, so I don't want to get into it, whether or not it's substantiated.
But one thing that I do see here is that Alex was formerly married.
According to the Associated Press, his ex-wife didn't want to share her name publicly.
She hadn't spoken to him since they divorced more than two years ago, hadn't spoken to him since they divorced, and she moved out of Minnesota.
After his death, his ex-wife said she was not surprised by reports that he had been president at demonstrations tied to the immigration policies because he had taken part in protests after the killing of George Floyd, also in Minneapolis, which occurred near where the couple once lived.
Alex could be outspoken toward police during protests, and that he obtained a permit to carry roughly three years ago.
So what we're seeing here actually is a, I would say, a spiral of radicalization.
And this is something where typically when you see these radicals, when they make this decision to go violent, when they make the decision to cross that line between peaceful protest and violent radical, is it is typically tied to a major life event.
So I'll just say right here, Alex Preddy, divorced.
Thomas Matthew Crookes, it was a college dropout.
Tyler Robinson, college dropout.
You see this over and over.
Luigi Maggioni.
He graduates college, but then he drops out of his, you know, sort of his work life and he goes traveling and he's in Thailand getting beaten up by ladyboys.
And, you know, again, he just has this break with his, you know, I think he got to work and he didn't like it, so he, you know, he's unemployed at the time.
You see these shifts in life changes over and over again with people who then, these major life events.
And it seems though that in some way they feel as though life isn't going their way.
And then they turn to these radical causes and attempt to take radical action as a way of, you know, perhaps ingratiating themselves or perhaps a sort of search for their own heroism.
Meaning, meaning.
Yeah, well, unpack that for us because it's a pattern we see again and again.
Yeah, yeah, it is.
I mean, I think, and I actually think that not enough focus goes on this radicalization process.
Especially, you know, as you just laid out, Jack, there are clear parallels between Tyler Robinson and Thomas Matthew Crookes, this college dropout thing, right?
Same kind of period.
They're the same kind.
They were, I think, the same kinds of person, but, you know, they go through the same life event and then suddenly they're murdering people.
One of them tries to murder the president of the United States and another murders, you know, the most important young conservative in the U.S.
Setbacks and Aggression 00:03:54
I mean, that's a hell of a thing to do because, I mean, we all suffer to some extent in our lives.
We all suffer setbacks and reversals and whatever.
But these people, I think, take reversals and setbacks particularly hard.
Maybe that they're very significant setbacks and reversals.
I mean, Luigi Mangione suffered very bad health, and I think that that embittered him about the state of healthcare in the U.S.
He also, I think, got quite heavily into drugs as well.
But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there is actually a, if we could reconstruct a detailed chronology of exactly what happened to Alex Pretty to drive him to, you know, from being an ICU nurse, happily married, let's say, to being basically an Antifa Foot soldier who is going out armed onto the streets of Minneapolis to do battle in life and death situations with immigration agents.
You have talked about this in your book where would it surprise you?
And I don't know that we have any evidence of this, but would it surprise you if we found out that Alex Freddy was a vegan?
No, no, not at all.
Not at all.
It's a surprising thing.
So tell people what your book is and the thesis.
Yeah, so my book is called, a new book just come out, it's called The Last Men, Liberalism and the Death of Masculinity, and it's about testosterone and testosterone decline in particular.
So we're witnessing a kind of civilizational decline in testosterone levels in recent decades.
And it has very clear political implications.
And I unpack the political implications and talk about where we're heading with a society of increasingly low testosterone men.
But one thing that actually isn't appreciated is that...
Well, so wait a minute, but isn't testosterone usually associated with aggression?
Aren't we told usually that people who have higher testosterone have higher aggression?
So how can we associate violence with lower testosterone?
Well, this is the interesting thing because actually it's not that simple.
And estrogen, which is typically seen as the female hormone, actually has very important effects on aggression as well.
So there are these very funny studies of monkeys, for example, where they gave male monkeys soy isoflavones, which are estrogenic compounds in soy, and it basically turned them into incel monkeys.
It basically made them into these sort of passive, aggressive, nasty, sneaky monkeys.
They'd retreat from the rest of the troop and then launch a kind of vicious attack when the rest of the troop weren't looking or something like that.
So an estrogenic man actually can be more aggressive than a man with testosterone.
Now, a man with more testosterone might be dangerous, or more dangerous even and more motivated, whatever.
But I think there's a difference between the kinds of aggression that estrogen and testosterone.
It almost seems like one is more spastic, one is more randomized, erratic, whereas emotional ups and downs, whereas testosterone, that has more regulation.
That has more balance, more regularity.
Yeah, and I mean, I think probably a man who has high testosterone is likely to feel more confident in himself.
You know, there's always an element actually with a lot of this violence that actually it's men who, I think, don't feel very confident about themselves and they want to assert themselves.
They want to, you know, I've got to show I'm a man.
I've got to, you know, I've got to be violent in order to.
Overcompensation.
Yeah, it's overcompensation.
And yeah, I wouldn't be, I mean, it's so funny, isn't it?
You know, these pictures that have been used of Alex Pretty that have been digitally alternated.
Right, so they're actually making himself.
He's got a jawline and more hair.
Left Wing Agitprop 00:06:58
And all of which kind of goes to show you that what you're talking about in your book isn't some, you know, isn't some fantasy.
We can see it play out in reality, even on MSNBC or MSNOW.
Be right back, Jack Kosobic, Rawag Nationalist, here at Human Events Daily.
Special guest coming up.
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Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'd be getting public.
All right, Jack Rosobic, we are back here, Human Events Daily.
We're on Real America's Voice.
We've got Rawag Nationalist here live in studio.
I want to bring in now Will Chamberlain from the Article 3 project.
Will, how are you?
Doing great.
Doing great.
Good to be with you both.
So Will, this incredible vindication from local media in Minneapolis, as well as the BBC of all places, verifying that Alex Predty, yes, in fact, just like everyone said at the beginning, was an agitator, was a disruptive, committed, communist sympathizer, was very violent, while armed with law enforcement, with federal law enforcement.
I mean, it's just something where the narrative has completely been shattered that they were trying to erect that this guy was just, oh, some peaceful ICU nurse.
There's AI video now, AI pictures going around, not just look smaxing him, as Ren was just talking about in the last segment.
We were talking about the, they're trying to digitally increase his testosterone levels, but it's true, they're trying to digitally increase his testosterone levels, but also they've made videos of him helping out with veterans and all the rest of it.
It's so ridiculous.
Will, I've got to ask you, though, why was it that so many people that nominally say, oh, I support immigration restrictions and I want to decrease the amount of illegals in this country, but this is just so icky.
This is just so wrong.
So many people immediately took the side of the leftist agitator on this.
And even, by the way, even Joe Rogan has come out now and said that this guy was not doing what he should have been, that he was acting irresponsibly.
So many people now are having to walk back statements.
Certain individual running around calling me a hypocrite, saying, oh, Jack Roman was just a peaceful guy.
No, no, he wasn't.
No.
What is it, Will, that caused so many people to just immediately have that knee-jerk response be so incredibly wrong?
So are you, the question is, are you vulnerable to left-wing agit prop?
And, you know, should you be?
You know, I mean, there's people like Eric Erickson who have no business being vulnerable to left-wing agit prop.
They've been doing the Republican commentary game for decades now.
It's kind of embarrassing that they got caught up with it.
There's other people, I'm thinking of people like Dave Smith, kind of more of the libertarian types.
I was just caught what I see.
I think they have trouble reconciling in their minds the sort of what is needed to actually restrict immigration in the United States with their more broader pro-agit prop advocacy elsewhere in the world.
I think it's very difficult for them to reconcile.
Like from Dave's perspective, he's been buying into this sort of Pallywood-style agitprop in Israel for years now.
And now that the left in the United States is doing what the Palestinians were doing in Gaza, he's not able to kind of reorient himself and realize that, oh, this is agitprop.
This is all fake nonsense.
And you need to do that.
And I think Servic had a very interesting tweet the other day where he's like, you know, the right-wing Jews, of all the people who kind of messed up here, the right-wing Jews were like, saw right through this.
Even Joel Berry, of all people, saw right through this and was based on their, incorrect on the subject.
So it just goes to show there's something to that.
Well, so Will, walk us through what is agit prop?
You know, how is it that agit prop is used just sort of in a general sense, regardless of what the setting is?
So agitrop, you're trying to, you know, you're fighting the legitimate authority, trying to provoke a confrontation with them.
And then when there's violence, you're, you know, trying to get it, make propaganda out of it.
So there you go, agit, agitation, propaganda, prop.
So that's what that is.
And really every one of these videoed interactions between these anti-the-protesters and law enforcement is an attempt to create useful agitprop.
And so then let's go back to Rog Nationalist, because how is it then that this type of agitprop has been used in the past?
Because we see it over and over.
It's like a, you know, it's like a pheromone goes out or something, and the media just immediately spreads it everywhere.
Yeah, well, look, I mean, I think the playbook is well established by now.
We've seen the same kinds of things happen.
I mean, the great example, obviously, the real example is George Floyd.
It all comes back to George Floyd in a sense.
That worked so spectacularly well.
The framing of the narrative, the selective presentation of evidence.
Even though you could watch the video and make up your own mind, the narrative was framed so well, the media got behind it, the politicians got behind it, the celebrities, captains of industry, basically the entire world got behind this narrative.
And it worked.
And it was basically a domestic color revolution in the US.
And so it's no surprise then that they're deploying exactly the same tactics.
I mean, it's worth remembering George Floyd happened during the first Trump presidency.
Trump was in power.
They can do these things even when they're not formally in power.
But yeah, I mean, it's disappointing.
It's very disappointing to see people who should know better because we've seen this all before.
We've seen it happen.
We've seen large parts of the George Floyd narrative unravel too.
A lot of people have come around to the notion that maybe actually George Floyd wasn't the saint who made the most amazing banana and mayonnaise sandwiches that the media has.
However, I should ask, by the way, it is possible at this point that he may have actually been having the city dish of Minneapolis, rice and bananas.
Yeah, well, I mean, we learn a lot about what it really means to be a Minnesotan.
It's rice and bananas.
Right, rice and bananas.
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No, Will Chamberlain, let's want to jump back on you and ask about this because what's really going on here, and Tim Poole, massive credit to him for coming up with the line, they say, oh, you guys are a bunch of boot lickers.
And he responds, he said, no, we are the boot.
We voted for this boot.
This is a huge difference between the conservative and libertarian forms of philosophy, I would say, because we're in one hand it's saying, oh, we're going to restrict government power and that's the way for the flourishment of liberty.
Whereas I think folks on the new right, this has been the new thinking to say, well, wait a minute, in the current situation, we just don't have the luxury of being able to do that.
We need to fix the situation we're in now, and then perhaps we can look into other things.
Right.
I mean, I think the defining ethos of the new right is to use government power to achieve conservative ends.
And it's deeply anti-libertarian in that respect.
And so I was actually thinking about this the other day.
There was a great piece from Paul Graham, who sucks on politics generally, but he had a very interesting piece about how experienced computer scientists think about the world.
They see things in the world that can be fixed, like the way a carpenter sees like a broken hinge, a computer scientist or a good computer coder sees problems in the world and thinks, oh, I can use code to fix that.
Well, I think part of what we're doing is we're, you know, we're looking at the world and seeing ways law can fix the problems we see from a conservative perspective.
And so we're perfectly willing to use law.
We're perfectly willing to come up with legal fixes and changes to policy to do things like that.
We don't have an attitude towards government power that is reflexively against it because the idea is that a small government is a means, not an end, right?
If the small government is the means to human flourishing, it's not the be-all end-all of anything.
And so there's going to be times when government needs to act to achieve the goals of human flourishing that we look for.
There's a lot of reasons why I think the libertarian philosophy is just ultimately very simplistic and relies.
So it's just, it's like they think they know the answer before they've ever done real empirical analysis of what actually would work.
Because the answer is always less government.
And it's like that's sort of reflexive and dogmatic.
And I'll toss it back to Ren here for a second.
So what happens if we say, oh, we shouldn't use government power because what if the left uses it against us in the future?
Well, what happens is that you end up disqualifying yourself, you end up ceding power, allowing your enemies to become totally entrenched in government, to become totally entrenched in the bureaucracy.
All the major institutions, the universities, all the institutions of public life, and then potentially you're shut out from government for good.
And, you know, maybe you end up lined up alongside a trench in a field in the early hours of the morning waiting to be shoveled into a mass grave.
And that's exactly what happened at the end of the Spanish, or during, I should say, the Spanish Civil War, when they rounded up all of the conservatives of Madrid and their children, by the way, put them into mass prisons and then eventually led them.
They told them they were being released and they walked them out to the mass graves.
Yeah, the stakes are that high.
I don't, we're not being hyperbolic here.
It's not silly to look at past examples of conservative failure, past examples of right-wing failure and say, look, we need to learn from this.
Like, we can't, yes, we can, as Will rightly said, you know, small government can be and in appropriate circumstances should be the means to an end, but it's not the end in itself.
And simply limiting ourselves to not using this incredibly powerful apparatus of government that's being used against us and has been used against us.
That's a recipe for failure.
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Follow me on X at Will Chamberlain.
All right, right back with my favorite anti-communist joining us in a moment.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to turn it around and make our country great against him.
Amen.
Jack Selbiger back live here with the Raw Egg Nationalists in studio human events daily.
So I wanted to get on because people are telling me, they say, oh, well, you know, people are saying that the heavy-handed tactics of the administration, they're just getting too strong.
It's getting out of hand.
You know, they've run their course.
So I said, all right, you know, let's get on.
Let's get on a female perspective.
Someone who, by the way, lives in the area not far away from the city of Minneapolis.
It is, of course, my favorite anti-communist, Evita Duffy.
Hey, Jack, thanks so much for having me.
So let me ask you about this.
You and your husband, you're not far from, who was just on the show the other day, are not far, of course, from Minneapolis.
You've seen all this.
You personally covered the riots in Kenosha.
What is your sense of these illegal raids?
Where's Gen Z at it when it comes to polling?
You know, do they want to see the mass deportations continue or do they want a de-escalation and some kind of pause?
So first and foremost, there are millions of Americans across the country who voted for President Trump, who voted therefore for mass deportations and are being defrauded out of their vote by psychopath anti-Facacairans in Minneapolis.
People in St. Croix County, which is 20 minutes from Minneapolis, voted for President Trump.
The people of the 7th District of Wisconsin, which borders Minnesota and therefore Minneapolis, voted overwhelmingly for President Trump.
We see the problems that Minneapolis lets in with their toleration of illegal immigration spill into our communities.
So because a bunch of crazy people in Minneapolis, encouraged by the government officials, are trying to subvert ICE, confront ICE, we don't have a country anymore.
That's completely unjustified.
And Gen Z, I mean, it's fascinating.
You're seeing a lot of young people confront ICE in the streets.
But I'm also noticing a lot of millennials.
If you ask young conservative Gen Zers, immigration is the number one or two issue.
And that's because mass immigration devalues American labor.
No one is hurt more by the devaluation of American labor than young Americans.
So this is a winning issue for young people, for Republicans, for Trump, and I hope they stick with it.
And so the question, I suppose, is more, I guess, now let me ask you the question of like the optics.
You know, there are some people who say, well, the optics aren't good.
We don't want to see this.
We want to get rid of Bovino.
We want to get rid of these raids, these sweeps, and they would prefer it to be done in some, I don't know, magical fantasy, wave a magic wand, and they all go home.
Well, they're making it that way, Jack.
I mean, this is, it's being self-presented as horrific, as a Nazi regime, right?
I mean, and you guys talked about this a little bit before, the way that they are lying about Wait, Vita, I have to give you a pause on that, because Stephen Colbert says we're not allowed to call them Nazis anymore, because that would be offensive to the Nazis.
Jewish Americans need to come out and rebuke it.
I mean, it's absurd that we're going to say ICE is worse than the Nazis.
What are we even doing right now?
And of course, the left always gets away with that kind of rhetoric.
They always paint people who are agitators, who are breaking the law, as somehow victims.
That's the migrants.
That's also the radical lefties who are confronting ICE in these cities.
They did it with George Floyd.
They also did it with Jordan Neely.
If you remember, that was an incredible altercation with Jordan Neely and a young former veteran.
He was presented as a child, as a young black child.
No, the guy was a man, a black male man who was schizophrenic, had a history of drug abuse, clearly was having an episode.
They lie about these situations all the time to garner sympathy for the agitators, for the criminals.
And the victims are always, always law-abiding citizens.
Well, and you see this again and again take place.
Rog Nash, let's throw it to you for a second because this is a form of anarcho-tyranny, isn't it?
What is anarcho-tyranny?
Well, anarcho-tyranny is a term that Sam Francis came up with in, I think, 1991, 1992, to describe the way in which chaos is controlled, directed, weaponized by government against the citizens in order to control them, basically.
So what you have is you have low-level crime is tolerated and encouraged.
Criminals are given lenient prison sentences or just let off altogether as a way actually of maintaining this kind of endemic crime, terrorizing the kind of the middle classes in particular, squeezing the taxpaying classes harder and harder and basically kind of scaring them straight.
And it's something that, I mean, you can think of untold examples in America today.
It's a very, very pervasive way.
Let's just use the example that Evita Duffy is talking about because she's saying that you have these millions of taxpaying middle-class Trump voters who are now being disenfranchised because of the chaos that is being used.
The Karens who are, again, suburban moms who have been so radicalized that they're willing to conduct ISIS-style vehicular assaults on federal officers.
This is a serious issue, and the radicalization of suburban women in America absolutely needs to be studied.
But what Avida's talking about is how the government doesn't seem to do anything, or at least the local government doesn't seem to do anything about these types of criminals, whether they be the Jordan Neelys, whether they be the, or this Alex Predty, who again is on video.
I'm going to keep saying this, and the left is really mad at me online for saying it.
He was on video committing crime, and the state of Minnesota, the city of Minneapolis did absolutely nothing to him.
They did not revoke his concealed carry permit.
So there were, or even face charges, as far as we're told, because Tony was no criminal history whatsoever.
Evida, this is exactly what you're talking about, isn't it?
This is how the people in power squeeze out the middle class by using these agitators, using this criminal class at the bottom, and then essentially giving them a free pass.
This is so key, Jack.
The violence and the chaos is intentional.
And it's not being caused by ICE.
It's being encouraged by Democrat leadership.
Just a few years ago, we saw this in 2020 on a mass scale.
I was on the ground in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Governor Tony Evers sent more National Guardsmen to a Milwaukee Bucks game than he did on the first night of rioting in Kenosha.
He let the city burn for three days before he accepted federal help from President Trump.
He did that on purpose because he believed that the riots were politically beneficial for Democrats.
It's always intentional.
They always use fear to try and strangle law-abiding citizens out of justice, out of law and order, out of what they voted for, which is, of course, President Trump and mass deportations.
And I'll toss it back to Rog Nashlis.
So when you're in a situation like this, how do you get through it?
How do you overcome it?
How do you, as a citizenry, how do you stand up to the agit prop?
Well, I mean, I certainly know what you don't do as an administration, you don't back down.
I don't think you can back down from this kind of violence.
I mean, there are different ways to handle it, certainly, and there are better and there are worse ways.
And we've been talking a little bit about optics.
And of course, you want to avoid government agents, federal agents, immigration agents killing people.
I'm not saying it wasn't justified, but it does look bad.
And if you can avoid that kind of stuff, then obviously you would want to.
But nevertheless, you can't be seen to back down in the face of this because, of course, you're sending signals.
You're sending a very clear signal.
You back down.
You withdraw ICE.
You come back off the streets.
Okay, no, we're not going to deport people anymore.
What does the left think?
Oh, we can get what we want by being violent.
And they do get what they want by being violent.
That's what's happened again and again and again.
And it happened most spectacularly, of course, in 2020.
But I mean, I think for ordinary people, then you just have to question.
I think you need to often, you know, you see these videos that appear online, the shooting of Alex Pretty, the shooting of the way I always put it is simple.
It's, number one, the 48-hour rule, which the great Scott Adams gave us.
And then also ask the question, what happened before?
What happened after?
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Two of my favorite anti-communists, but I'm sorry, Ren, Avida is the all-time favorite.
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