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The Poso Family Christmas

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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.
A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posovic.
Christ is king.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
Jack-Jack.
Aboard.
It's a board, Jack-Jack.
Try it again.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
Board.
Talk into the mic.
Board.
Today's edition of Human Events.
Daily.
Remember, Jack-Jack, you have to talk into the mic every time or people won't hear you.
I know.
You know.
Okay.
You can move it a little bit to make it closer to your mouth.
Like right there.
Right there.
So move yourself so you're sitting closer to it.
All right.
Now lean forward and talk into the mic a little bit.
All the way in, Jark Jark.
Okay.
All right.
So, Jack-Jack, it is time.
What year is it?
2025.
Talk into the mic.
2025.
We are here doing another Pozo Christmas.
It's the fourth Christmas special, right?
Fourth Christmas special that we've done.
21, 22, 23.
No, wait, I screwed that up.
22, 23, 24, 25.
Might just be the fifth one.
We'll have to double check.
And Jack-Jack, we are here at Turning Point USA, aren't we?
Yes.
This is the very same building where we did the very first Pozo Christmas special, isn't it?
Yeah.
Mike?
Yeah.
So, and last year, do you remember which studio we were in when we did the special?
Charlie Kirk's.
Charlie Kirks, and we're right across the street from that right now.
And Charlie, he's not here this year, is he?
Yeah.
Talking.
Yeah.
And how did you feel when you heard about what happened to Mr. Charlie?
Me too.
And for Mr. Charlie's family?
Yes.
Felt also sad?
Yes.
So what do you think a good thing that we could do to try to remember Mr. Charlie would be?
If we do if we talk about him?
If we talk about him?
Yeah.
So what do you remember about Mr. Charlie?
He was 31 years old.
Yeah, he's 31.
Mike?
31.
He was 31.
And do you remember anything that he used to do?
The Charlie Kirk show.
That's right, the Charlie Kirk show, of course.
What about, what kind of places did he go?
Did he go to colleges?
Yes.
And he was always talking to students and kids?
Yes, yes, yes.
And who was Charlie's favorite president?
Donald J. Trump.
That's right.
And was he a big Trump supporter?
Yes.
And on Sundays, where did Charlie go with his family?
To church.
To church, exactly.
Because Charlie loves church.
Church and a church we go to worship.
Jesus.
Jesus, exactly.
And God.
Yes, and Jesus is God.
So that's why we say Charlie is right now in God's army, right?
Right.
And where is he?
In heaven.
He's in heaven, that's right.
And do you think he's watching down and keeping an eye on his family?
Of course he is.
Of course he is and making sure they're okay.
Yes.
Yes.
And are you going to be are you going to try to be good friends with his kids?
Yes.
Because they're going to need friends in this world, right?
Probably.
Definitely.
Probably.
Definitely.
Probably.
Jack-Jack, they will definitely need friends.
And I think that's something really sweet of you to do for them.
So thank you.
No, definitely.
Probably.
Definitely.
Ah, yeah.
You tricked me, Bugs Bunny.
What's up, Doc?
What?
So, and did I hear that you and AJ made some Christmas cards for Charlie and Erica's kids?
How did you know?
Because I gave them to them.
Excuse me.
Yeah.
Mama had me get them from the room, and I walked over and we gave them to Erica.
I gave them.
I brought them over and gave them to you, and then you gave them to Mrs. Erica.
Mommy gave it to me.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
So I gave it to mommy.
Mommy gave it to you.
And you gave it to Mrs. Kirk.
Mrs. Erica Kirk.
That's right.
And were you very happy to do that?
Yes.
Well, thank you very much, Jack-Jack.
I'm glad that you did that.
I think that's very nice of you.
Because is Christmas about getting things?
No.
What's it about?
Celebrating Jesus.
And how do we celebrate Jesus?
By going to church.
We go to church.
And so on Christmas, should the only thing I really care about be getting presents and getting what I want and all that?
No.
What should it be about?
It's not about getting.
It's about giving.
Why is that?
Because when you get, you can make somebody else happy?
Yes.
You can make someone else happy, and isn't that what Jesus wanted?
But when you give, can you make someone else happy?
Yeah.
Yeah, and isn't that good?
Yes.
I think it is.
You having fun doing this interview, Jack-Jack?
Yes.
I didn't realize to be interviewing my son, but here we are.
Well, maybe, maybe we could add somebody else to the interview.
Who should we bring next?
Who do you think?
I let me think.
You've got some other family members around.
Maybe my brother?
My brother?
You think we should bring Uncle Kevin on here?
Stinky old Uncle Kevin?
Yes.
All right.
Say, come here, stinky old Uncle Kevin.
Come here, stinky old Uncle Kevin.
All right, we're bringing stinky old Uncle Kevin.
What?
Here, he's here.
He's here on the posto Christmas special.
Once again, hey, Jack-Jack, why don't you sit here?
And Uncle Kevin will sit right there.
Here he is.
I get my own hat.
No, no hat for you.
Talking to the mic.
No hat, no hat.
No hat, but no, all hat, no cattle.
So I do have my Gulf of America hat back at the hotel.
Nice.
Well, we're not at the hotel, are we?
That's true.
So it doesn't really do any good, does it?
So when we're here, TPUSA, we're filming this on the sidelines at Amfest.
And, you know, we're here in this building where Charlie started his show, where Charlie started Turning Point, where Charlie, not started, but, you know, where Turning Point really took off was right here in this building in Phoenix, Arizona.
And, of course, this was the first Amfest without Charlie, and this is going to be the first Christmas without Charlie.
And so, Uncle Kevin, Kev?
Yeah.
I wanted to, if you could, just, you know, you got to meet Charlie, you got to work with Charlie a couple of times.
What's the story you remember about Charlie?
Oh, well, there's several stories I remember about Charlie.
And I spoke to a few of them during the vigils that we held directly after mid-September there.
But yeah, just to preface it, you know, I was walking in just now in the HQ and I saw that one picture of the original Turning Point studio there in Chicago.
It's just this little building, and it reminded me of you and me, man.
Like just started out working class guys in an Italian baker.
You know, we'd be working overnights right about now and the other time.
So I've just been kind of reflecting on gratitude, really, and all the blessings that we've had and all your success, clearly.
It's opened a lot of doors for me.
And, you know, Charlie was, you and Charlie had just become good friends.
And I could tell, knowing you, that there was great chemistry.
So that blossomed over the years.
And, yeah, Charlie, and it's just bittersweet, Jack.
It's just bittersweet.
It's been the best Amfest ever, really, and without without Charlie.
But one of the stories in particular, so we were just getting the shot set up here and we got In-N-Out.
And I think the last time I was in this building was with you and Charlie and a few other guys after Amfest.
And we were just doing some of the things.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.
We did the AmFest.
Yeah, that's right.
I remember that.
We were just doing some of the things that we had.
We were sitting there right over there.
And we were just kind of debriefing and chatting about how the event went.
But so.
If I remember correctly, that was going into 2024.
So that was 2023, right?
I think you're right.
That was 2023 going into the 2020.
Into 2024.
We were sitting right over here.
Yeah, and interviewed Tucker right over there.
I forgot we got In and Out.
But here's the kicker, though.
And they're all just kind of hanging out chatting about plans for 2024.
Yeah.
Yeah, and Charlie never, like, he's, you know, much more close with you, but I think you ever just meet somebody, you need it, you're like kind of on the same frequency as them, but that's another thing.
But Charlie asked me directly.
He was like, hey, Kev, like, good to see you.
Brought me right in, you know, and he's like, what do you want from In-N-Out?
Yeah.
And now we got In N-Out here, too.
So it's just kind of surreal to be in the same building eating the same food.
But it's like, wow.
It's kind of cloudy.
No, Charlie, Charlie loved his In-N-Out.
Jack-Jack, do you like In-N-Out?
Yes.
Very good.
Thank you for your contribution.
And yeah, I don't know.
That's pretty much the gist of it.
You know, Charlie's always been just very gracious with me.
And what I've been telling everybody else is he's a man of integrity and character.
Like, Charlie, aside from literally eating, like, he was always on the mission.
Breaking bread.
Well, breaking bread, but he inspired me by being like, all right, like, basically, like, this is cool.
We're hanging out, but, like, what are we recording next?
Or what are we going to talk about?
You know, when I would see him in West Palm Beach at the studio there with Rav.
And when you were down there, you were down there a little bit as well at Mar-a-Lago during the transition period.
Charlie was running around all that time.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was bumping into Elon.
Elon's there, Elon Charlie, everyone.
Yeah, that's true.
I remember witnessing that with you and them, and we were talking about Doge.
Bright creation.
Yeah, that's right.
So being there at Mar-a-Lago on the terrace where Doge was didn't even have a name for it, really.
Well, I mean, Elon made the name for it as a joke, really.
And, you know, like a half-joke.
And then we said, no, you know what?
Let's actually turn this to a real thing.
And Charlie was a huge part of that.
Charlie said, let's do it.
Let's go all in.
And that's just the one observation that, and one of the reasons I love Charlie and respect him is because even then, like, you guys didn't say, like, hey, like, you know, you got to get out of here.
Like, it was, it was just amazing.
You know, I feel like sometimes I have some good ideas and some insights, but to be on that level with, you know, the president himself and Elon Musk and Charlie and everyone else around and you, it just means a lot.
You know, it means a lot.
And then on top of everything originally, like what I tell people has turning point didn't exist when you and I were in college.
So that's why I love being able to come back here and give back and encourage young college students and, you know, kind of spread an olive branch to anybody else that is, there's, you know, just a lot of infighting lately.
And I feel like Charlie would kind of be that guy too, just to at least hear people out and especially at MFest.
So I try and give that back in his spirit and his stride.
But definitely, you know, keep it on, it's all about, you know, college kids, the future, and giving them a different way to go instead of these indoctrination camps when it started, right?
You're right.
And, you know, since it is Christmas, I suppose, Uncle Kev, can you remember any NARS Town Christmas stories that maybe we could tell Jack-Jack while we're here?
Oh, boy.
Nars Town Christmas stories?
Yeah.
There was always some snowball ones, you know.
Snowball fights and, you know, building the forts on the corners.
Building forts, Jack-Jack, we used to always make snowball forts or snow forts on the quarter.
And then when cars would come by, we'd throw, well, Kevin would throw snowballs at them.
I never did that, though.
Never, ever.
But then when the car, when the guy, but then, do you remember the time that that guy stopped the car and got out?
He was like, what are you kids doing?
Yes, yes.
You used to go sledding up at the hill at the medical center there.
Yeah, the medical center.
Well, then Valley Forge, too.
Kind of a horse.
We were just going over Valley Forge the other day.
I don't know.
I mean, honestly, Jack, I mean, some of the I don't have the best Nars Town stories.
You know, I remember a lot of the bad things, you know, and eventually why we moved and whatnot.
But I do remember just nostalgic Christmas time, like old school Christmas tree, just like this, you know, and the divider with the stained glass doors on our childhood home.
Well, the thing, the problem was, and I've told Jack-Jack about this, the reason that we lost our town was because of crime.
It was because of Section 8.
It was because of illegal aliens coming in.
And I tell Jack-Jack, it was bad guys, just bad guys took over the town, and we had to leave because it got so bad.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And that's got us out.
Yeah, long story short, I mean, we grew up in the back alley.
We had a milk crate nailed to a telephone pole to play basketball in, and then there would be dog fights in the back alley, and then in the front.
In the front of the street, we would see people just fighting on the front lawns and stuff.
I remember specifically one day, me and dad just peering through the shades out front because there was a loud argument and people were fighting.
Shouldn't have to live that way.
No, no, you shouldn't have to live that way.
And that's, you know, that's one of the reasons that mom and dad got us out because Jack-Jack could see the bad guys totally took over our town, so we had to leave.
Can you film me a nickel story?
About what?
What kind of story do you want to hear, Jack-Jack?
Anyone.
Any story.
What do you mean, any story?
In Norris Town.
in Norristown, well, in Norristown I used to, where we lived, 1418 Powell Street was the, maybe the monster icicles that you used to get.
Well, those are just high schools.
You can get high schools anywhere.
We used to live about three blocks away from the library.
So when we were little, we could go and walk.
We could just walk out of our house, turn, and walk past the hospital, and then walk two more blocks.
And then, boom, the library was right there.
So we could walk to the library, get books whenever we wanted.
And I used to have a wagon, and I would take the wagon with me and take it all the way down to the library and fill it up with books and then come home and read them all.
It's true.
I love the books so much.
And you used to be able to do it, you know, without having to worry about if you're walking with somebody or, you know, unsupervised.
Well, mom would let me go.
Some more high trust society.
Totally high trust.
Slowly declined.
And Jack-Jack, we had, and then at the other corner, we had Fardman's Pharmacy.
Yeah.
And we had Jackson's, which is a convenience store.
So at Fardman's Pharmacy, you could buy medicine.
You could buy cards.
And you could also buy comic books.
And I love buying comic books there.
Then there's Laundromat, and then next to Jackson's store, and then in Jackson's store, I guess what they had?
Video games.
And you could play video games and pinball.
And I remember the day they got more combat, Mortal Kombat 2.
I got another one.
The tin can phones.
Remember we used to do that with the neighbors?
Did you ever do that, Jack-Jack?
You take two empty soup cans with a string between them?
We got to show them.
It's a matter of science.
We had the red caves across from us, and we would do tin can phones, and you can make a phone out of two tin cans and a string.
Does the Bible say love your neighbor, Jack-Jack?
Yes.
It does.
It does.
And we could eventually return to creating neighborhoods where we can become friends and love our actual neighbors.
Tell me a story about a snowball fight.
A snowball fight.
We would just have, you know, there were so many kids around that we could get into a snowball fight with the kids on my block versus the kids from the other block.
And sometimes we would wait until they weren't ready, until they weren't looking, and then we would sneak up behind them and throw all the snowballs at them.
And then we'd run away before they could find us.
So they wouldn't know who attacked them.
So we'd have these little snowball fight wars with all the kids in the neighborhood.
It was a lot of fun.
Well, Uncle Kevin, I think I'm looking over here.
Do we have time?
Is it time to bring our next special guests on?
Is it time?
It looks like it might be.
So, Uncle Kev, if you don't know.
Oh, Merry Christmas, y'all.
Peace on earth.
Sneaking out.
Christ the Savior is born.
We've got some spe and some more special guests that we want to join because it is, of course, the lovely Tanya Tay and, of course, Mr. AJ.
Jack-Jack, help your mama with her microphone.
And remember, Mama, you got to talk right into it.
Hello, everybody.
Hope you don't mind me bringing a little Santa's helper here.
Hi, AJ.
You want to say hi, AJ?
So AJ had a little stomach bug, a little he got caught the Amfest flu a little bit.
So AJ might not be quite as talkative on this Christmas special.
Jack-Jack, what do you want to say about that?
You were a little sick too, right?
A little.
Yeah, I know.
But AJ's been really good.
And he came out and said a prayer with us, didn't he?
He did.
He absolutely did.
And AJ, you know what?
I think you did a really great job when you came out on stage at Amfest.
So thank you for that.
I'm proud of you.
I'm proud of you.
And not only that, you said all the words of all your prayers and you remembered every single one perfectly.
And AJ, I even have a video that Nana and Pop Up sent me of you singing the Ave Maria.
Did you know that?
Well, can you sing it to us?
No, not right now.
Well, we won't put him on the spot, but I have the video so we can add it in post.
Put it in the microphone and then people can hear it.
Oh, no, maybe we'll put it on later.
But AJ, were you scared when you were out there with all those people?
No.
No?
Why not?
It was not scary.
No, no, no, no.
It's okay.
Don't beat up the microphones.
I've heard that the posto boys are the bravest boys in the world.
Are you two the bravest boys in the world?
Yes, sir.
Yes, it is.
Here, Jack-Jack.
Here, you can sit in my lap.
It'll be closer to the microphone.
So.
Yeah, but AJ, here's something that they don't know about us, about me and you, is they don't know that me and you are on a team, aren't we?
Yes.
Yes, we are.
Should we tell everyone what our team is?
No.
Okay.
It's a special secret team.
Oh, I think AJ's about done.
We got a little out of him.
We got a little bit of a lot of people.
We lost him.
Fast, by the way.
It's team fast.
And Jack-Jack and Mama are on team slow.
We're on a team smart.
No, no, you're not.
Totally team.
You're also on team tricky.
You don't even know about that.
What?
I've never heard about that team.
Me and Stinky Old Uncle Kevin are on team Rocky Jumpers.
The Rocky Jumpers, what are that?
True.
True.
What are you talking about, Uncle Kevin?
So, dear, let me ask you this.
You know, you're out here with me, with Jack-Jack, with AJ.
But at the same time, you got to spend some time with Erica backstage, a little bit of time.
And you've been with her in this time, you know, since everything happened with Charlie.
And obviously with her.
Talk to me a little bit about just your thoughts and feelings on this Christmas being, and we were talking about it before, the first Christmas without Charlie.
Whenever somebody asks me about how it feels to not have Charlie around, I answer that I'm still in the denial phase.
That it still feels surreal that he's not here with us at the biggest event of the year.
And keep waiting for him to just come around the corner.
Feels like there, just give it a minute and we'll see Charlie walking on stage with all the sparkles, the biggest sparkles light up the stage and he'll be there saying hey everybody, and just go on with his speech and just keep waiting for that moment.
And I couldn't even imagine what Erica has to go through, walking the stage, going with the teen, through all the little details, talking to everybody, having her kids at home, decorating the Christmas tree and not having your friend, her dear husband, the father of her children not around.
She has shown so much strength dealing with it.
I don't know if I ever could be half as strong had something ever so terrible happened.
And I truly admire that, that she managed to be an example to all of us, showing that we have to put ourselves together and get put on the armor, the armor of God, and get through that phase.
Amen.
Amen to that.
And if you could say anything, and I know you talked to Erica, but if you could say anything to her on this Christmas, what would that be?
I hope that she knows how much love there is for her.
And I hope that she feels all the prayers for her and her family.
And I hope that she keeps doing exactly what she's doing right now, but even with more determination, with more confidence, knowing that there is the army of turning point USA students, high schoolers, ambassadors, contributors, sponsors who are 100% behind her,
who are so willing to continue what Charlie started.
Amen.
And I know she appreciates you being a good friend to her.
And everything we could do.
So, sweetheart, you know, I got to put you on the spot.
Oh, no.
Since it is Christmas time and we're trying to remember Charlie at the same time, I don't know if I ever asked you this on air, but what is a, you know, a Charlie story or, you know, a Charlie moment that you remember?
You either either, you know, with me or on air, off air, anything.
What's something that really sticks with you?
The one story that I keep going back to is when we first met him.
And it was in Chicago.
It was, gosh, feels like forever ago.
And I remember meeting him, we got introduced, and you were just kind of getting in a political movement.
So we had just gotten married.
And this was like, I want to say a week or two after we got married.
But it was before we went on our honeymoon.
Right.
And it was around Thanksgiving.
And this was really snowy.
It was like super, super snowy.
I don't remember all those details, but I remember.
Oh, it's incredibly snowy.
Like, we landed at O'Hare, and then we got, we got to go.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Okay, it's coming back to me.
Yeah, we drove out and we stopped at that diner, and then we met Charlie there at this, it was just like a local event.
But I think he was there because he was going to visit his parents afterwards.
Okay, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
And there was a room.
What do you think?
I think 300 people?
At least it was before he even came to Arizona.
I think he was still, when Turning Point was still out of Illinois.
Right.
So I remember we just got introduced to him.
We chatted briefly.
And then he got on stage and he was trying to pitch this idea that he has this vision about creating a student organization.
And he's going to get on campuses.
He'll try to talk to students and get them to become more conservative because he was saying that our colleges are becoming so liberal.
And it was, I just keep going back, thinking about that moment.
And at first, when you met him, because I mean, he was such a young kid.
I don't know if he was 20 at the time.
I mean, you just see this kid and you're like, and then we heard him on stage.
And then I remember thinking to myself, like, you know what?
He would have been about 22, 23 or 20.
Something like that.
Yeah.
Thinking to myself, you know, he's up to something.
And looking back.
So did you, so when you say that, and this is, this is pre-Erica Charlie.
So, I mean, you know.
It was the very early Charlie.
And so, but did you think, when you say you saw him and you thought about it, did you think that he could do it?
Or were you thinking like, ah, it'll never happen?
He was speaking with such conviction.
Yeah.
And he had this charisma about him.
He got me to believe in him.
At that moment, I really believed what he was saying.
And there was this spark in him.
And his vision seemed to be so clear.
And he was going on and on about him.
And I felt like every person in the room at that moment believed that he could do it.
Fast forward it, 10, 15 years later.
And here we are in Sydney, Turning Point, USA.
And I just keep going back to that moment when we first met him.
Yes.
It was so special.
It was a really special moment.
What did you say, Jack-Jack?
It couldn't have been 11 years.
He's fact-checking you in real time.
I wasn't going to say that.
Here's your son.
She's just telling the story.
She's just telling the story.
It's okay.
The point is, it was a long time ago.
Yes.
And it feels like a lifetime ago.
It really does.
It really does.
Well, here's what we're going to do.
I want to bring in one of the neighbors here, if that's okay real quickly.
And I'll let Jack-Jack and you take a quick break and check out AJ.
I know he wasn't feeling too well.
Let's see if we can get him back to full health here.
Because I want to bring in, I hear a knock on the door.
I said I heard a knock on the door.
Oh, yeah.
It's neighbor Joshua.
There he is.
Hey, neighbor Joshua is here.
Oh, my goodness.
What are you doing here on a snowy Christmas day?
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
Something's falling out of your pocket there.
Oh, someone just took a nosedive onto the chair, I think.
Yeah, let's see.
Who's that?
This is Roscoe, Lego Roscoe.
He accompanies me on my various adventures and trips when I'm away from the children.
So we're just going to put Lego Roscoe right here.
He's rocking the Santa Claus hat.
Every time I go on an adventure, he gets into some sort of trouble and I take pictures of his antics for the children.
Totally not creepy.
Totally not creepy.
It's something that every parent understands.
So here we are.
We're in the TPOSA headquarters.
We've just done Amfest.
It's Christmas time.
Talk to me about, and you got to meet Charlie through when we did Unhumans, and then later he did the blurb for Bulletproof.
And I just remember that when I'll just say this, when we first introduced you to Charlie, he was like, ah, who's this guy?
This ghostwriter guy, et cetera.
But man, when you guys started going, I could really see that he was very locked minds with you because Charlie could sense that intellect.
And he could see that, oh, this is someone that I can have that intellectual repost with.
And I could see that he really, really enjoyed interviewing you.
I could see that right away from Charlie in a way that, you know, there'd be times where, let's just say, let's just say at events where Charlie could be a little distracted, pulled in different directions.
It is what it is.
But I could really tell that with you specifically, he was locked in.
He was, yes.
He and I both have had evangelical apologetics background where you studied the various ways to defend the faith, let's say the Christian worldview.
I had that background being homeschooled.
And he, of course, has that background from his own training.
And what I appreciated about him, unlike in a lot of interviews that we've done, that I've done before, that Lego Roscoe has done, I'm sure, in his little plastic world, the interviewer will take for granted what the interviewee says.
Like, oh, that's interesting.
Next question.
And then they go on from there.
But there were several times in the first interview with Charlie where his reply back was, in a kind way, I don't believe you quite yet on that.
I need you to prove it to me.
Yeah.
Was his response.
He would challenge you.
He would challenge you.
Yes, which I appreciate.
I've only ever gotten that once before in an interview ever with someone, a gentleman named James Alticher, who has one of the most popular podcasts over the last, what, 15 years now.
And it's just a, and I've done hundreds upon hundreds of interviews at this point on books and publishing and our books and whatnot.
And it's just a rare response.
But there's one particular moment where the three of us shared during the first interview on the Unhumans book in which we were talking about the overthrow of Russia by leftists and how there was effectively this Bolshevik movement of revolutionary, radical, far-left-wing individuals in Russia.
And they had all gathered in effectively one building, one place.
They were all there.
And the Russian army, the white Russian army under the Tsar, effectively did nothing to stop it.
They allowed the violence to continue to build.
And in the midst of this commentary, Charlie cut us both off and he said, I feel like something's about to pop.
Something's about to bounce.
I can feel it.
He said, do you remember that moment?
And I had a record scratch moment of internal dialogue in my head at that moment.
And I thought, oh, that feels really important.
I need to remember that of him saying that, predicting that.
And of course, the book predicts and explains that we are in a period of revolutionary violence and upheaval within our culture, within our society, that's being run by radical left-wing individuals who are thoroughly anti-Christian, thoroughly anti-Christmas, thoroughly anti-parenthood, anti-the joy of simple moments that we all want to share.
And they want to take that away.
And they took that away from Charlie's family for the rest of their lives.
And, you know, little did we know that on the day the book was slated to come out, that Steve Bannon, who wrote the foreword, would be hauled off to federal prison.
Ten days after the book came out, a radical tried to assassinate Donald Trump.
And the year and change after the book came out, that our friend would be assassinated.
And, you know, we were right here in this room, and I was sitting just over there when I got interviewed by CNN.
And they asked me, they said, are we a civil war?
And I said, well, we are facing asymmetric civil warfare.
My friend's in a box.
And that didn't happen by accident.
And as horrible as it is, that's exactly what we had said was coming.
But let's shift off of that.
But are there any lighter moments, any lighter stories with Charlie that you can remember?
There were several moments where it was as if you were interviewing him during our conversations.
And he was riffing.
He was going off.
And he was in his element.
And what I appreciated about him, both in the interviews, I think he interviewed us maybe three times across the two books.
There were some remote interviews we did as well.
Yes, that's right.
On Unhumans and also the Bulletproof book.
And it seemed as though he thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
So often people who are podcasters, who are influencers with a capital I, they go through the motions.
They kind of, let's say, lock into a mental zone of what they're thinking about, what they're focused on, what they're working on.
It's like the next thing and then the next thing and then the next thing.
But he was fully present and in the moment.
One of my favorite memories of his was I was at one of his fundraising presentations in which he was basically pitching for donors for a turning point.
And it was incredible.
What were you doing there?
You don't have any money.
I'll arrest that case later.
In any case, Charlie was like a tech CEO venture founder surrounded by venture capitalists who was absolutely in his storytelling element.
And he was going through a slideshow running through it.
And you could see people in the audience, given the, let's say, the percentage of gray heads of all the heads in the room, this is the room for Charlie to be in.
And he was going through the successes of Turning Point, going by the numbers, and he was saying what the numbers mean.
And then there's one point after going through the various numbers that we flipped this and we did this and here's what the campuses did and blah, blah, blah.
He ran through a bunch of headlines of hit pieces about him personally.
Look at what they've said about me.
This is what they said about Turning Point.
Look at this here.
Going through the various slurs and claims and insults.
And he said, that's how you know we are doing the right thing.
Can I put you down for $5,000 or $10,000?
That was the fact that I was.
By the way, he used to send me those every single time it happened.
He loved the Media Matters, hit pieces, and daily write-ups and whoever it was.
And I remember I used to bust him.
said Charlie, how much are you paying to Media Matters to get them to be your own personal PR department?
Because they'd write things up where like Charlie Kirk claims that DEI is racist against white people.
And it's like, yeah, it is.
I mean, just like something where we say it and we look at it as a good thing and they say it is so horrible and beyond the pale kind of, you know, kind of headline.
Or Charlie Kirk says that, you know, women shouldn't be in athletic competitions with men.
You know, it's just ridiculous things.
And yet people are saying, Charlie Kirk, here it is.
Here he's fighting.
Here he's effective.
And you're so right that that's exactly what it was.
But I do want to add something that I don't know if I ever told you before that do you remember that tweet when Unhumans made the New York Times bestseller list that he wrote and posted for us.
You remember that talking about?
That he was so proud that we had made the list.
And I remember him coming to me and saying, you made the list.
You actually did it.
And he said, you know, and I remember he said this, you know, you didn't ask me, he goes, Jack, you didn't ask me to endorse it.
You didn't ask Turning Point to buy copies, which is true, by the way, despite what anyone tells you out there.
He said, you guys did that all on your own.
You really did that on your own.
I said, Charlie, that was the test.
That was the test to see if we could do it and actually do it on our own.
He said, you really did it.
He was so proud.
He was so happy.
Maybe a little steamed that his own book that year didn't hit the list.
In 2020, the MAGA Doctrine has been.
Yeah, MAGA Doctrine, but not his 2024.
So we had a little competition, friendly alpha, a couple of guys having a competition.
But he was so happy.
I think he was so happy that we got out there.
And I don't know if I've ever told you that.
And I wanted to make sure I did say that, that that wasn't some form tweet, that he was really, really happy about that.
He was that kind of guy.
He was sort of totally that kind of guy.
Celebrate other people's celebrations, very much so.
And that's what I'm saying.
Which celebrate excellence, celebrate greatness, celebrate achievement.
And that is right-wing-coded 100%.
Exactly.
100%.
Is that we're going to be competitive.
And, you know, my book is going to sell more than yours.
No, yours is going to be like, you're so competitive.
But then when someone wins, you shake hands and you're happy because at the same time, we're all on the same team at the end of the day.
Yes, Team America and the values that undergird us, which have somehow become exclusively the domain of the right.
Heritage, tradition, law, order.
Kindness.
As much as they like to say empathy and decency, generally speaking, the left is empathy-free and decency-free.
Indeed.
And it is those of us who have this.
Of course, today we had a recording of this.
We had that fantastic moment with Target Grandma.
Grandma, Target Jeannie.
How she was being harassed by obviously a leftist with the profanities and attacking her and apparently trying to get her fired from her job.
That's just doing her job.
And Jeannie just responded with simple graciousness and said no, no, no, to the various accusations about Charlie and about her and simply just turned her back and walked away.
And that was the end of it.
You know, you can just tell the left no.
You can just say no.
You can just say no.
And then smile and turn your back and walk away.
And she was so polite, but you could tell in that moment the Target Genie was, you could tell she was pretty tough.
I think you could tell that she was pretty tough in that moment and that she really, she stood her ground.
She stood her ground.
She defended Charlie.
And I got to be backstage there for that moment where she met Erica.
Yes.
And that was an incredible moment.
They must have, that was a very powerful hug.
I was right there.
I was behind you.
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
Oh, my gosh.
And we were both there.
We were both there.
And something that some people have noticed as well from Jeannie's Facebook, and she talks about this, that she had also actually lost her husband years before.
And so, what are the odds?
They were actually both widows.
And in that moment, they got to meet and share a bond that I don't.
I mean, part of a club that obviously nobody wants to ever be in.
And everyone, it's kind of like they say this about Gold Star families.
It's a club that nobody ever wants to be in, and that every single person would leave if given the chance.
And what are the odds that they were part of that same club?
So often, so much that happens in this story of life does appear to be scripted, where there are these unexpected flashpoints, just like it's fiction, like it's being scripted.
People will say, oh, it's almost like there's an author of reality or the universe or something like that.
And speaking of the author of the universe, I'm getting the moment call for to return the family back.
So let's see if we can get Uncle Kevin.
We can get Mama.
We can get Jack-Jack and maybe AJ if he's feeling a little better.
He's a little sleepy.
Just grab him.
Let him sleep.
Let him sleep.
Have him come out.
Have him come out.
Let the sleepy guy come out.
You're coming back because.
Thank you, Jack.
No, no, no.
You're staying.
Well, let's look.
You're at Roscoe.
Jack-Jack, have you met Roscoe?
Did you give him a handshake?
I was just on my way to Creedmiss.
No, the only way to Creedmiss in Miami.
Oh, yeah.
And let's see.
Can we get little AJ?
Can we get little AJ?
Where is he?
Where is he?
He's a little sleepy, but that's okay.
I can give Tanya my chair.
Yeah, okay.
The children that are all slung in their beds.
Visions of sugar plums danced in their heads.
He's got visions of sugar plums dancing in his head right now.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
Merry Christmas from the Postos, from neighbor Joshua, from all of us to all of you.
Thank you, everybody.
God bless all of you.
God bless Charlie Kirk, Erica, and the kids.
God bless America.
Merry Christmas.
And Brosco.
And Roscoe.
Jack-Jack?
What?
How do we start?
Hail Mary.
Padre.
Ave Maria.
Gratitude.
Domino.
Benedicta tu humolierigos.
Santa Maria.
Lo teramor.
Amen.
Pater noster.
Cuies.
Advenia regnum.
Fiet volantas nobes.
Timit novis.
Nosra.
Nostra.
Sicut et nos dimitibus, debitoribus, et ne nos synducas en, sed libera nosa, maa, a-men.
One more.
Saint Michael defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God reuke and we humbly pray.
And do thou prince of the heavens.
That the power of God cast into hell who wander throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.
Nomine pop.
Merry Christmas, everyone.
God bless you.
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