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AmFest Exclusive Interview w/Megyn Kelly & the Catholic Adoration Breakout

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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.
A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posovic.
Christ is King.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's Human Events special.
We're going to take you inside Amfest.
And so a lot of the stuff that we did while we were at Amfest, that the content that we got, the interviews that I conducted, we, you know, we put them out on social media, but we wanted to make sure that we actually included them here on the program as well.
So what we've done with this episode, we put two together.
We've got one interview that I did and then one panel.
So we'll start with one.
We'll move to the other.
And first up, you've got my interview with Megan Kelly.
Now, you may have seen clips of this.
A lot of people were very critical of things that Megan said, as well as a lot of people were very supportive of things that Megan said.
Certainly was a controversial interview, to say the least.
And so look, for those of us who were there, myself as the interviewer, I'm not going to put words in Megan's mouth.
I'm going to let you watch it.
And then right after that, an interview with the Catholic panel.
So stay tuned.
take you back to AmFest.
Hi, guys.
So cool.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're here with Megan Kelly at Amfest 2025.
Just when you think Turning Point can't go next level on the walkout, they can.
They can shift to 11.
Megan, I've got to ask, how does it feel to be on this stage without Charlie?
Oh.
Like you, Jack, I miss him so much.
And this is how we would always do it, right?
Because just for me, I prefer a Q ⁇ A.
I just think it's more interesting than a speech.
And we would sit at all of these things.
And he was always so great, not to make you feel nervous, but he always knew exactly what question to ask, how to get you up and down in a story.
He had a very good judgment for what was interesting to the audience, too, and was always so generous with his time and his, you know, his approach.
So that, of course, I'm going to miss, but I can't believe it's been three months.
In some ways, it feels like yesterday, and in some ways, it feels like another lifetime that we've seen him, right?
Somebody brought up an event I was at just a few days before Charlie's murder.
And I remember thinking to myself, we were sitting, we were having lunch, and everything was totally normal.
Everything was just normal life.
And then suddenly God snaps his fingers and shows you that you are not in control, that he is in control, that you are a spectator, you are a reactor, you are someone who is living out God's will.
And I think that's one of the biggest things for me that I've been, and look, you know, it's not easy doing all this, but one of the things that I've been working hard to remember that God's will is absolutely paramount in all of this.
I know.
We don't have it all figured out.
I mean, I'll tell you, I was backstage a little while ago, and I went to see Erica in her green room.
And, you know, she's so strong, and she's the picture of class, but she was alone.
You know, and I saw her, I met her for the first time backstage at one of these events, and she was with just their daughter, who was just a baby at the time.
They didn't have their little boy yet.
And she was seated.
She looked so beautiful.
She had her baby with her.
Charlie was in and out of everything.
It was crazy.
We were in Florida.
He was like sweaty.
And she was just like an angel sitting there in the middle of the chaos, like completely managing it and nonplussed.
And I just couldn't help but seeing her backstage alone, thinking, it doesn't feel right.
You know, she shouldn't be alone.
She should be with the love of her life.
And that's why we have to make sure we get justice for the man who took him.
Absolutely.
And Megan, you were talking about this on your show recently, and you and I had a little conversation about it as well.
And you said, you know, can a Christian want that kind of justice?
And can a Christian believe in that kind of justice?
And it's a great question.
It's something a lot of people wrestle with.
And the Bible tells us that the sovereign is given the sword to wield justly.
And so when you talk about things like the death penalty, when you talk about things like capital punishment, we understand that it is not done out of vengeance.
It is not done out of anger.
It is done, as Charlie said himself, out of valuing the life of the victim and showing that that life had worth, showing that that life had value.
And by the way, it is a way to start to repay, I believe, as a way to start to repay the debt that's incurred by every single moment that was stolen from Erica, from his daughter, for his son, for every single Christmas, for every single holiday, for every single birthday, for every single baseball that'll never be thrown and caught, for not being able to walk his little girl down the aisle.
That's a debt that needs to be paid.
That's right, Jack.
And that's to say nothing of the debt that is owed to all of us, to everyone who is sitting here, who knew and loved Charlie in whatever way it worked for you.
I mean, if Charlie could see this, he would be so proud.
He would be so happy.
He'd be so lifted up by all of you.
But we've all been robbed.
We've all been cheated.
And so, yes, we will both be watching that trial minute by minute.
And I believe justice will be done.
I think it will.
And, you know, I do believe that Charlie is watching us right now.
And I'm sure up in heaven, I'm not sure quite what the radio schedule is, but I think Charlie's probably on from 9 to noon.
And then from noon to 3 is rush.
That's amazing.
And of course they do a handoff, because why not?
But Megan, one of the things that's come up in the wake of all of this, and people have said there's so much division in the movement.
And is there divisiveness?
Are there two sides?
Are there fractures coming up?
There is division, and Charlie was that uniter.
So I'll just ask you the question as interviewing here today.
Do you think that there has been an inseparable rift in the conservative movement that we've seen since the death of Charlie?
I mean, there's a rift, but it was starting even before we lost Charlie.
And it revolves around Israel.
There just is.
It's gotten worse without him.
He was helping us navigate it.
And this is another area in which I miss him so much because I feel like Charlie and I were completely in lockstep on this.
And you guys may have seen the episode that we put out, what we re-released, of Charlie and yours truly talking about Israel weeks before he died, where we had a really empowerful heart-to-heart on where we both were.
We were both ardent Israel supporters and had both been extremely defensive of American Jewish people on college campuses getting harassed and those hostage pictures getting torn down and very outspoken about it and horrified by it.
And then we had a discussion at the Student Action Summit in July where there was a passing comment about if Epstein was an Intel asset, whose would he have been, which Charlie asked me.
And I said it would make sense that it was the Israelis since he was very close with the former prime minister and the former president.
And then we both got called anti-Semites, like by some legitimate Jewish organizations for that conversation.
By the way, Benjamin Netanyahu would go on to say, I was right.
And we were both on our heels.
But Charlie was with young people every day for a living, in particular young Republicans.
And he was seeing what I was seeing in my neck of the conservative woods, which was this party's changing on the issue of Israel.
I mean, when I was at Fox, you supported Israel, period.
Like, no one was really interested in your actual opinion.
You just supported Israel.
Which was fine for me because I did.
But the party started to turn after 10.7.
Uniform support and sympathy for Israel in 10-7, but as the war went on two years later, people were starting to turn on them.
It felt like too much.
And then we were under pressure to get involved.
We had the Iran bombing and so on.
And the pressure started to mount on those of us who were pro-Israel to not allow the doubters their say.
To try to censor them or disagree with them publicly or call them out.
And neither Charlie nor I felt like that was what we wanted to do at all.
Nor was it our job.
We're not the policemen of the conservative movement.
I'm not.
He wasn't.
Ben Shapiro isn't either.
Well, Megan, you mentioned him, and your name came up on this stage last night in regards to pretty much all of this.
Would you like the opportunity to respond?
Well, I found it kind of funny that Ben thinks he has the power to decide who gets excommunicated from the conservative movement, which shows a willful blindness about his position in it.
It reminded me a little of when the girl who was the head of our middle school chorus told me she was going to take all my friends away from me.
Chorus?
A head cheerleader, maybe, but like.
So I resent the whole thing.
I object to the whole thing.
Ben and I, he had the nerve to call me a friend right before he called me a despicable coward for not calling out the people he wants called out.
So he both wants to parent me and be my child.
He wants to tell me what I have to do and who I have to say what to.
And then when I don't, he and some of his friends want to act like utter victims because I won't do what they say.
They need me.
I have to be their daddy and step in to protect them.
And I am not their daddy.
And I resent that he thinks he's in a position to decide who must say what to whom and when.
Thank you.
So I don't think we are friends anymore.
I've been a very good friend to Ben.
Nobody knew who the heck Ben Shapiro was when I started putting him on my shows on the Fox News channel.
And I helped make him a star.
And I've been very, very good to Ben over the years.
And he's been good to me too.
He just recently came on my tour, as did you, and I gave him the most kind introduction I could possibly give him because I know that he's losing subscribers a lot.
And so I tried to do something nice for him by giving him a long 10-minute intro and personally vouching for him.
And we mixed it up on Israel out on stage.
It wasn't Israel because we're on the same place on Israel.
We mixed it up over whether Tucker Carlson should be excommunicated from the conservative movement, which I do not believe.
And thank you.
And when it was over, we hugged, said goodbye, and then we had a nice text exchange a couple days later saying our friendship was important to us.
And the next thing I saw was him attacking me on stage last night as a coward.
So that's not friendship.
And I think that's fine with me with friends like that.
There was also, there was also some response where it seemed like that call was being co-signed by the new head of CBS News, Barry Weiss.
And I wanted to know if you wanted to respond to that as well.
So it's a similar situation with Barry.
None of this is about them calling me out for anything I've said or haven't said.
It's certainly not about Erica Kirk as Ben tried to make it sound last night.
It's about Israel.
Those two are very pro-ardent Israel activists, which is fine.
But they don't get to dictate how the rest of us feel about Israel or what we do with respect to our friends and our friends' opinions on Israel.
And I'll tell you, you know, Barry Weiss wants to couch herself as Erica's protector, Erica's defender.
She's retweeting the Ben speech, saying anybody who doesn't call out conspiracy theorists is a coward.
Erica Kirk barely knows Barry Weiss.
Barry doesn't know anything about Erica.
Barry Weiss has never been to a turning point event.
Do you guys remember her here?
Standing up for what we believe in when Charlie was alive?
I don't remember her standing up for our principles.
I don't remember her defending Charlie the many times he was called a racist or an anti-Semite.
I really don't remember that at all.
What I do remember is she had Erica Kirk come on one town hall in which Barry Weiss tried to play both super important VIP executive and super fabulous star anchor at her new network CBS, Pro Tip Barry, that's no way to win friends at your new organization to try to steal all the hosting abilities of the on-air talent.
So good luck with that.
And what she did when she had Erica there was to have the nerve to bring on the man who asked the final question of Charlie right before he got shot to put Erica in the position of having to defend whether Trump uses hateful rhetoric.
The nerve.
I'll just say I didn't appreciate when I saw that that happened and I don't think that that ever should have happened.
I don't think that question should have been asked.
And I noticed that when Hunter Kozak did that, he immediately went to try to get Erica to denounce Trump, denounce his rhetoric.
This is a man who was standing in front of Charlie, in front of her husband when he died.
And he never once even said to her the basic human decency of saying, I'm sorry for your loss.
He was sick.
And that was a Barry Weiss move, because trust me, I've done town halls.
You know who the questioners are, and you know what the questions are in advance in that setting.
So she knew it was coming, and she thought it was appropriate to have Charlie's widow answer for Trump's violent rhetoric.
I'm sorry, that's disrespectful, and I will not be taking any lessons from Barry Weiss in how to treat Erica or anyone else.
So since we're spilling all the tea tonight.
Tea, I did not want spilled for the record.
I kept my powder dry.
I could interview you, so I'm asking all the questions here.
We're turning the tables on Megan Kelly for once.
So, Megan, you mentioned something on your show recently that I know a lot of people have been chatting about.
There's been a lot of chatter about this.
The sit-down, the peace summit heard around the world between Candace Owens and Erica Kirk.
And you mentioned that you played a role in brokering this.
Tell us the story, if you would.
Well, Erica has asked me to tell the story and is fine with me telling the story, so I will.
Otherwise, I would not have gotten into the details.
So from the beginning of Candace's programming on this, I've been in touch with Turning Point.
And I know you have too.
We've all talked about it behind the scenes.
But I've had long, long conversations with everybody at the highest levels on how to handle this.
And I think everybody was confused about what the next right move was because it was so extraordinary.
And I'm not going to get into the substance of those discussions, but suffice it to say that I think everyone felt the best course initially was to try to just rise above it and not respond in a tit-for-tat manner.
And as it went on, it started to get more and more problematic for Turning Point, for Erica, and so on.
And Erica called me and said, I want to do a sit-down with Candace, and I want you to moderate it.
And I said, what?
Say what?
And I said, you know, she said a word from you would silence her on this forever.
Like, it doesn't have to be an oral word.
It could be like a text or an email.
Maybe that's the best way to see if we can put this to bed.
But Erica really felt that they should sit down together face to face.
And I've gotten to know Candace a little better over the past months.
And I actually thought she might do it.
Like, I wasn't sure, but I don't know.
An invitation from Erica would be hard to resist.
And she said, you know, would you please come and facilitate it, really?
Just like they were going to have the discussion.
But Erica's thought, and Candace originally wanted to do this too, was for them to live stream this out that same Monday that the Turning Point guys were going to live stream their event.
And of course, I'm like, oh my mother of God, what am I getting myself into?
But I actually felt, I felt like it was divine right order.
And I have to tell you, Jack, I've prayed so many times, so many times to Charlie and to God to give me the right guidance on how to handle this whole thing.
The fracture within the conservative movement, my friends turning on me because I won't call out my other friends like Tucker.
This dust up between Candace and Erica and Turning Point and Erica, which, or Turning Point and Candace, which is fraught.
And yet, I understand, I know people are very angry at Candace right now, and I understand it, but I have to say, and Ben, yet another thing he mocked me for was saying she was a young mother.
Candace had like literally just had a baby.
And I'm sorry, maybe Ben doesn't understand, but that is a vulnerable position for a woman.
And then her friend got shot in the neck.
And so I did think she deserved a wide berth right after Charlie's death to explore what she wanted to explore.
I had real empathy for her.
And of course I don't agree with what she's said about Turning Point Erica, and she knows that.
But my point was simply that I thought maybe Charlie helped me understand to keep my powder dry in the whole thing so that maybe I could be in a position to help it happen.
It's what Erica wants.
Maybe Candace does want an off-ramp.
And I'm willing to try.
So Candace and I were in touch, and she was very nice.
She said, I'm thrilled to see you.
I'll do it.
So they were going to do it out here in Arizona.
And then there was a security issue Candace said that she said she couldn't come.
And then Erica said, I'll go to you.
I'll go to Nashville.
Which is just extraordinary.
I mean, Erica's been all over the country trying to honor Charlie's commitments on his book tour.
She was exhausted.
She had this coming up this week.
I mean, she's going through.
She has two babies at home who she's now a single mother two.
But she really wanted to put this to bed, and so she said, I'll go to you.
And then it morphed into, let's not do the live stream.
Let's just do it, the two of us, which I thought was great.
So they both went in there.
Erica brought a trusted friend and employee here, and Candace had someone very close to her.
And they, by all accounts from both women, had a very good meeting.
Now, will it last?
Where does it go from here?
I was joking earlier, like, what's more tenuous, the Gaza peace deal or this situation?
What I really want is for Candace to move on from Turning Point and Erica.
I have no problem with her asking questions, but not about them.
But I also object for the record to the people who have tried to shut Candace down entirely on inquiring into what, if any, role did Israel have here.
And I want to make clear, I don't think Israel had any role.
I think Tyler Robinson killed Charlie.
My only question is whether there was some trans Tifa element that helped him.
However, it's okay to ask questions about Israel.
And it was Andrew Colvette, the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show, who sent those texts to the FBI of Charlie's, from that private message.
It wasn't a text, it was private messages, like a group chat, in which he said the Jewish donors to Turning Point were driving him up the wall and that he'd had it with them and that they were making demands of him that he was not prepared to meet and he was at his wit's end.
And he had told me personally that he found their behavior, and I quote, repulsive.
So I was fine.
Again, I don't think Israel had anything to do with it, but why did I have an obligation to stop Candace from asking those questions?
I didn't, and I didn't call her out because I favored her asking them.
So then, Megan, what is the way forward?
What is the way forward for the right, for Turning Point?
Charlie is on assignment with God.
Erica is here now.
The organization is here now.
What is the way forward for the movement?
Look, I think we're far more united than we are divided.
And I think, wow.
I agree.
Right?
Yeah, I think we're far more united.
I mean, I would just put one final period on the pro-Israel activists, which are not to be confused with regular Jewish Americans who are lovely and don't run around trying to tell you what you can and cannot say.
But I think they need to stop being such ardent bullies because it's dividing our movement.
Unnecessarily over a country that is not ours, over Israel, not America.
We need to care about America.
America first is the principle that will get us through.
And I think we need to remember that the people who are literally killing us, like literally killing us, are the ones who are the true enemy.
These crazy radical leftists are the ones about whom we need to worry, not our own side.
You know, Megan, we only have a couple of minutes left.
I just wanted to tell you, would you guys mind if I embarrass Megan a little bit?
If that'd be okay a little bit, no, hold on, hold on.
I'll tell you a story because it's actually embarrassing to me.
That you don't know this, but about a decade ago when I was still in the military, when I was in my Navy unit, we would be there in Navy intelligence.
And of course, in my office, we only watched Fox, right?
And every single day while we were watching there in the military, we'd be sitting and we would have on the Kelly file.
And believe it or not, folks, I just want to let you know that the people of the military, the people that I knew, people like me who were just guys who were serving, we loved everything that you and all the people were doing to support us, to support the things that we were doing, to support the patriotism that we thought that we had.
And keep in mind, this was under Obama.
So we were, in many cases, feeling very isolated, feeling very, you know, very looked aside and blamed for a lot of the things that were going wrong when we realized that these were political decisions that were happening.
Keep in mind, this is the era of Benghazi.
This was the era of the drone strikes, et cetera, et cetera.
So I just wanted to say that I hope you know that there are so many people in the United States military, in United States law enforcement, that would be out there watching you day in and day out, and there still are today.
And we wanted to thank you for having our back.
Oh, Jack, that is so sweet.
The fact that you would put it, the thanks goes the other way.
It does not go from the military.
Now the embarrassing part?
Okay, I'm going to admit it.
We used to kind of have like an office pool about Megan.
And keep in mind, this is a couple of guys in the military.
We always used to try to guess which color you would wear that day.
It being Fox, it was a high likelihood of neon, pink, red, or yellow.
I was always green.
I always went with Kelly Green.
For Megan Kelly.
The one thing that would have cost you the bet immediately was orange because Roger did not allow orange.
Oh, no, our endeavor.
Black occasionally.
Black.
They didn't love black, but they sometimes let you get away with it.
You know why?
Because there was a wardrobe leader there who really felt like the orange, like the neon colors would pop.
So somebody who was channel surfing would see like, oh, the bright pink and a blonde head.
I'll stop.
What does she have to say?
And lo and behold, that formula worked, and Fox News became number one within a few short years after launch.
There you go.
You know, I've tried that myself, but I don't really have the same effect, Megan.
No, it's different in podcasting, but you have a voice for podcasting, Jack.
My dad says I have a voice for radio, too.
Megan, thank you so much for your leadership on this, for your guidance, for brokering peace in a situation like this, for stepping up and being a leader when you could have been divisive, when you could have taken sides.
But I'll say it from my side and you as well.
I'm on America's side.
I'm on Turning Point side, and I'm on Charlie's side.
Right on.
Same.
Same.
Sign me up.
Thank you all so much.
Give it up for Megan Kelly.
God bless.
Good morning, and thank you for attending our session, Kneel for the Eucharist and Stand for Truth.
How to inspire Catholics to vote.
My name is Cindy Ketcherside, and this is Marcus Tork.
And we, along with Deb Cheatham, are the co-chairs of the Catholic Action Network, the ballot chasing committee of Arizona Right to Life.
We have a lot to accomplish in a short time period this morning.
So, unfortunately, there will not be an answer and question period, but our panelists and the committee will stay afterwards to ask, answer any kind of questions you may have.
We're going to start our session with Marcus giving an overview on Catholic ballot chasing that we used in 2024 and we will be using again in 2026.
Then we'll move to a panel discussion, followed by the most important part of our session, the Eucharistic Adoration.
And a quick reminder, please join us at St. Mary Basilica, Vigil Mass today at 5 o'clock.
And if you don't know where St. Mary's is, just stand outside and look north.
So you'll be able to see it and you hear her bells toll all the time.
Marcus will now give us an overview of the Catholic Action Network ballot chasing process.
Marcus good morning So I just want to go over and share a few of the Catholic Action Network's accomplishments from the last election.
We moved disengaged Catholic Republican voters from a 20% voting rate in 2020 to an 87% voting rate in 2024.
We did it with God's help and partnering with Turning Point to create a specific section of disengaged Catholic registered Republican voters in the Turning Point app.
We recruited captains from our 96 Catholic parishes around the diocese.
We organized and implemented voter registration at our parishes, called and texted Catholic-specific scripts for disengaged Catholic Republican voters.
We mailed 12,000 Catholic-themed voter information postcards to disengaged Catholic Republican voters.
On Election Day, we called and texted Catholic Republicans shown as not having voted yet in the election, contacted them and made sure that they knew where they could go to vote and urged them to get out, cast their votes, and bring their faith into the public square.
For 2026, we can win the midterms by ballot chasing again disengaged Catholic Republican voters.
If you will, scan the code up here so that you can receive detailed information on the Catholic Action Network Committee and our work with the Catholic Ballot Chase.
Thank you.
Marcus, thanks for the overview.
And as he said, taking Catholics and moving them from a 20% to an 85%.
We know that every state can do that.
We need to get Catholics in the public square.
We need to get Catholics to vote our morals and values.
So we can, we'll have this scan code back up at the end of our presentation so you can get into that and obviously we'll help you in any way we can.
Marcus, thanks for the overview.
And now it's my honor to introduce our distinguished panelists.
I'd like to acknowledge a recent addition to our panel, Father John Parks.
And Father Parks is a respected priest within the Diocese of Phoenix.
He serves as the pastor of St. Joseph's Parish and is the prior director of evangelization for the diocese.
And something not a lot of people know is he is also a Hall of Famer along with Erica Kirk at Notre Dame Prep High School here in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Kelsey Reinhart, the president and CEO of Catholic Vote, a graduate of Notre Dame University, and a former Dominican sister.
She served as a director of media and evangelization for Catholic Vote before becoming the CEO in June of this year.
Jose Pulido, president of Learning and Development, where he trains Catholics in communication skills to stand up for their faith and morals.
An alumnus of Yale University and a former political advisor in Washington, D.C. Our final panelist, who really doesn't need an introduction, Jack Bosovic.
One of the most important parts is Jack is a devout Catholic.
Was a military intelligence officer.
He's host of the podcast, Human Events Daily, and most importantly, a member of the Turning Point Action Team.
And thank you, panelists, for being here with us to share your thoughts on how to inspire Catholics to vote.
I'd like to start the conversation with this question.
Kelsey, what do you think is the greatest obstacle preventing Catholics from involvement in the political or at least even voting?
Well, that's a great question.
Thank you so much, Cindy.
I want to start out maybe with the most important point that Catholics are the lynchpin in every election.
In the last 50 years, every presidential election except for one was decided by the Catholic vote.
That's because the Catholic vote is also a little bit swingy.
So you saw in the 2020 election, the Catholic vote went for Biden narrowly 50 to 49.
In the last election, it went 65% for Trump.
So marshaling the Catholic vote is an important aspect of what we do.
Now, the question is a little bit difficult.
I'm interested in hearing what the other panelists have to say.
Why is it so difficult for Catholics to vote when you look at the numbers of evangelicals who vote versus Catholics?
I have a hypothesis, probably not applicable to this room, but that people have what I call a temptation to political pietism.
Politics is too messy.
It's too dirty.
I don't want to be involved.
If I just pray and I go to Mass, why do I have to involve myself in this ring?
Answering that question, I think, is going to be definitively important when you go out and you invite people to be involved in this process, which is a moral duty.
So I want to ask Jose, he might have a different thought here, and Jack, what they think the greatest obstacle is, because it's certainly not just one answer.
Yes.
Confidence.
We as Catholics need to feel more confident, and we need to be able to give that confidence to others.
When we look in Acts, we see that even at the very beginning of St. Paul's ministry, he is being called to share the faith with Gentiles, kings, and Israelites.
And that's because of how he was prepared.
All of you here, whether it's Ali, Kim, other people, you are ready to share the faith.
You are ready to participate.
You're ready to vote.
And the reason is, and this, I know this for sure, is because you can love.
You can love, God said so.
If you can talk to your family member in the Christmas dinner table, if you can talk to your neighbor, if you can research things with charity, you are prepared to do this.
You can love.
You can love via your vote.
You can love via your conversation.
You can do this.
So, Jack, how is voting an act of love?
You were resonating when I said it's a little bit despairing out there.
Political pietism is real.
What are your thoughts on this?
Well, thank you so much, Ryan, having me.
Thank you so much for everyone for being here on a Saturday morning.
I know it's early.
I know there's a lot to do.
But personally, I couldn't think of anything better to do this morning to be here and give praise to our eternal Creator and our eternal Savior, Jesus Christ, the King of the universe, which we are about to do very shortly here at Adoration.
And that's why I made sure to be here as well.
I've got my family here, my very sleepy five-year-old in the front row.
And look, you know, when it comes to political piety, I also wanted to add because you see two sides of this, because on one side, you see the political piety of people saying, oh, well, I don't want to get involved in politics.
But then on another side, you see people who are so pious, they will say, oh, well, Donald Trump isn't, you know, Catholic enough, and he's not pro-life enough, and he's not this enough.
So I'm not going to vote because I can't vote for a guy like that.
And I would say, I understand it.
I get it.
We're pushing him in the right direction.
But at the same time, if you don't come out, then Kamala Harris gets in because it is a binary.
You have to look at politics as it is not a vacuum.
It is relative.
And if she gets, she got in.
Remember, when she was in the United States Senate, what was she doing?
She was demonizing the Knights of Columbus.
She was demonizing the Little Sisters of the Poor.
She was there when Merrick Garland and Chris Ray were sending the FBI after traditional Catholics who were praying their rosaries a little bit too hard.
And I said, you know what, you want to come for me?
Here's my rosary.
Please come for me.
Because this is absolutely key.
So you need to break that and understand, get people to understand that if we let Marxists win, the Catholics are the ones they're going to come first for.
And in fact, they've already started, haven't they?
They've already started.
And what I would say then, to answer your question, though, how do you convert those Catholics from, you know, sort of just going to Mass to becoming politically active?
It's really simple.
And the way I teach it to my boys is I use the, I actually use the Charlie Brown Christmas special to explain this.
The Charlie Brown Christmas special, which is my favorite.
And I think we'll always go down as the best one because we know of all the classic Christmas specials, that is the only one, the only one where when he's asked about this question, what is the true meaning of Christmas?
Linus gets up in a public school, in a public forum, a secular forum.
And remember, this was the 1960s.
So this was the height of the Cultural Revolution when they were trying to drive God out of everywhere.
He gets up and he says, and he just starts quoting directly from Luke.
And he explains the truth of the matter, that it was Jesus Christ as God's only Son who came to this world so that those who believe in him may be saved.
That is the reason for Christmas.
And Linus' testimony in public meant that being a Christian, being a Catholic, is not something that you just do behind closed doors on a Sunday morning or Saturday vigil, right?
I know people are going to St. Mary's.
I have to check the schedule on that, sweetheart, if we can make it.
But we'll probably be at St. Mary's at some point this weekend, I'm sure.
You must become Catholics in public.
And so for me, look, I'm going to carry this wherever I go because you need that spiritual defense because we are living through spiritual warfare.
And don't be afraid.
And when people see you doing it, they will follow you.
They will follow.
Those are some powerful words.
Father Parks, what does the church teach about the involvement of the laity in the political sphere?
To put it simply, it's your job.
So thank you.
Wow.
He's good.
You should do this professionally.
So my job as a priest is to help form people in the Catholic faith, to feed them spiritually through the sacraments of the church.
But at the end of the Mass, I say go and make disciples of all nations or go and pronounce the gospel of God.
And the old Mass in Latin was ite mise est, and it is the command form in Latin.
So the priest is saying, you've heard about Christ through the scriptures.
You've received Christ through the Eucharist.
Now be Christ to the world.
So to put it simply, the role of the laity is to bring everything under the dominion of Christ.
There's an old saying that if Jesus is not the Lord of all, he's not the Lord at all.
So if he's the Lord of every part of your life, as Jack's saying, if he's the Lord of my heart, he's the Lord of my church, then when I'm a Catholic everywhere I go, that's not called imposing my faith.
That's called integrity.
I'm the same person before God all throughout the world.
So the role of the laity is to form their conscience well according to the Catholic faith and then to bring everything under the dominion of Christ to be salt and light in the world.
Can I actually, I'm talking out of turn, but something I heard recently about be salt and light, and Dr. Taylor Marshall talks about this, be salt and light, go out there and be salty.
And what does salt and light do?
This is so interesting.
What do salt and light do?
And Christ calls us to be salt and light.
Salt and light are both change agents.
They change the environment in which they're in.
So salt can be a preservative.
Salt can be a spice.
Salt changes the food.
It changes the texture, the flavor, the quality of it.
And what does light do?
We all know.
Light affects darkness.
Light gives us the ability to see.
So when he says be salt and light, it means change the environment in which you're in.
Very well said.
Very well said.
I would just add, building off of Father Park's comment, you know, Jesus didn't say go out to all the earth and stop at the ballot box, you know, or stop at the public square.
And you look at what happens when Catholics absent themselves from the public square.
I mean, how is it possible that we're in a situation where we cannot understand the difference between men and women?
I mean, I played basketball for the University of Notre Dame.
You might have noticed I'm a little tall.
There are only six women, well, when I played, which was eons ago, there were only six women in the history of the sport who could dunk.
And every sophomore boy over 5'10 spends his entire summer sophomore year learning how to dunk.
I mean, the fact that we cannot understand and live basic truths in the public square, that's a failure on our part.
And we need to accept responsibility because there are elements of the light, the truth, and the gospel that we need to be bringing to every aspect of the public square.
Now, Jose, talk to us a little bit about how evangelization fits into this, because you've written a book, How to Evangelize Anyone.
Obviously, there's probably some principles in here that apply both to the political life and to the practice of proclamation of the gospel.
Absolutely.
The key to evangelize is you have to start with love and end with love.
That's what the catechism says, even the one from 1566.
Start with love and end with love.
Now, to do that, and this is why I'm so excited about this panel, that we're basically warming up the stage for the Eucharist, is you need to do two things.
You need to feel seen and you need to feel hope.
Now, why do you need to feel seen?
All of you, all of you have done so many quiet sacrifices.
Quiet sacrifices, whether it's knocking on doors and them slamming on you, whether it's proposing something to a family member and them hanging up on you.
Bring those things to the Eucharist.
Feel seen in front of Christ.
And after you are seen, after your sacrifice has been acknowledged, after he says to you, well done, Kim, well done, Angie, after that, then start to see Christ.
And what does Christ have?
He has a vision for you.
He has a vision.
And that is, what if everyone, every Catholic was heard?
What if every Catholic was at the table?
What if every Catholic could share what they believed?
And people thought, not only, wow, that's important, but also, I'm so glad he spoke.
I'm so glad she spoke.
be seen in front of the Eucharist, and then receive his hope.
Now, Jack, I want to turn to you for just a second, because one of the things that has fascinated me is that our non-practicing Presbyterian president has recognized the importance of prayer and kicked off an entire initiative for America 250 called America Praise.
And what he's asking is for every person in this nation to join him one hour a week in praying for the nation.
What insight does he have into the importance of prayer for the recovery of our nation?
And why do you think this is so significant?
Well, that's a great question.
I actually had the opportunity, the honor really, of joining this initiative.
And the White House Faith Office reached out to me and asked if I would come join the coalition's kickoff at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C.
And if you guys haven't been there, it is the best museum in all of Washington, D.C. You have to go there.
You can skip the other ones.
It's amazing.
It's so awesome.
Jack-Jack, he's in the front.
Jack-Jack, do you like Museum of the Bible?
All right, good answer.
And wait, Jack-Jack, which play did we see there?
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
So they put on plays about Narnia.
They put all their, it's fantastic.
Look, we need to understand that it is prayer, it is the return to God that will bring our country forward because, and as you said before, you were mentioning, you know, this trans athletes and the switching of the genders.
And what is that really driven by, right?
It's driven by a denial of truth.
It's driven by a denial of truth.
And the acceptance of God, walk it backwards.
If you believe in God, that means you believe the Bible is true.
And if you believe the Bible is true, then that means it must be written by the author who wrote it must also be the author of truth, which means that all truth was authored by God because he authored everything.
So that when we return to God, we are also returning to the truth.
And to have a well-ordered, a truly ordered society, republic, community, town, family, it means that we are ordering it based on God's truth.
And I believe that President Trump, no, he's not Catholic, but if you notice, he's got Melania around him.
He's got JD Vance around him.
I pop in from time to time.
So he's got a lot of Catholic, Marco Rubio, he's got a lot of Catholics that are around him.
And I think that they're working on him.
They're praying on him.
And let me just say, December 8th this year, when you saw what the White House put out, a full-throated statement, a presidential proclamation praising our mother, praising our lady, praising Mary on the date of the Immaculate Conception.
And when you think about it, and I'll just say it, I had tears in my eyes reading it, because we went from just one year ago when our president was, well, basically Barack Obama.
Think about it, think about it.
To right now, if you go to the official White House website, that you will see some of the most sacred words ever written are right there on the official website of the White House of the United States of America.
Hail Mary full of grace.
It's there.
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