Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 105 — Woman-Free Miitary? End All H-1Bs? Christmas Decorations?

Nov. 15, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec

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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 105 — Woman-Free Miitary? End All H-1Bs? Christmas Decorations?

The ThoughtCrime crew dives into the most important topics in the entire world, including: -Is it time to end the H-1B immigrant visa, or does President Trump have a point? -Is Pete Hegseth purging the military of women, and if so is that a bad thing? -When is the correct time to put out Christmas decorations? Support the show

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	From the AJP brother If they want to get you they'll get you the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone They're collecting your communications All right, welcome to Thursday's Thoughtcrime, and we have Cliff Maloney in the house.
	What's up?
	Not in the big house, but the house, in the studio.
	You could be in a big house.
	It's great to be here.
	We got Mikey McCoy also in studio a lot of people from Pennsylvania are in a big house.
	That is true.
	It's a national pastime of you Pennsylvanians, but that's fine.
	We also have Blake Neff.
	He's in studio in D.C.
	And then we have Jack Pisobic in an undisclosed bunker.
	That's about all I'm going to say about that.
	He's on assignment.
	Yeah, you're on assignment in an undisclosed location.
	Jack Pisobic, welcome.
	You move an undisclosed location somewhere near California.
	I'm going to be asking a lot of questions.
	I want to have them answered immediately.
	Are you running a bot farm in Eastern Europe?
	Who's your daddy and what does he do?
	Yes, I'm not running a bot farm.
	Don't look at the bot farm.
	Is this a Romanian thing?
	That's what I've heard.
	Not those questions about Romania.
	Well, we have a new time here.
	So we want to hear from you guys in the audience what you think about the new time.
	Do you like the new time?
	Do you hate the new time?
	Are you more likely to watch in the new time?
	Or are you less likely to watch?
	And if you are less likely to watch, we don't actually want to hear that.
	We just want to hear the positive feedback.
	No, I'm kidding.
	We want to hear it all because this time works a lot better for a lot of reasons, especially when Jack is East Coast.
	We're on Mountain Time now in Arizona.
	Mountain time.
	And you're often on Pacific time, aren't you?
	Correct.
	Which is tricky, especially when you have media.
	Jack, do you want to?
	Can I just say since we're going to bring it up?
	Since we're going to bring it up, since we're going to bring it up, East Coast time is the best time, period.
	There's no question about this.
	Eastern Standard Time is the best time zone.
	Look, East Coast is basically like, that's basically like caffeine and Adderall and cocaine and like just you just drive the world.
	When you live in the East Coast, you're in that like that New York, Philly, D.C., Florida vector.
	You're driving the world, right?
	Not only should East Coast time be the standard time for America, it should be the standard time for the world.
	Steal at Greenwich meantime away from London.
	London's time.
	It's over.
	It is time for East Coast supremacy.
	We have a rule in the Citizens Alliance that Eastern Time is the Lord's time.
	I don't know about that.
	I will say, you know, what does not get enough respect is Central Time or Mountain Time because then you're kind of like splitting the difference.
	Central Time doesn't deserve any respect.
	Well, I'm just saying from a quality of life standpoint, it's not as bad as you'd think because, you know, at least you are roughly on the same time zone as the East Coast.
	You're just one hour behind, so it's not like terrible if you have to do East Coast timing things.
	But if you got West Coast games, when like the Dodgers are in the World Series and you're watching the World Series on West Coast time, this is not going to be so late at night.
	Even when they announce it, they say the game's at 8 Eastern, 5 Pacific.
	They just skip over the time zone.
	Cliff, go with me on this.
	Imagine if all the West Coast stoners had to wake up before the East Coast.
	They would have no idea what to do.
	They would be clueless.
	They would be rudderless.
	They need the firm, steely-eyed hand of the East Coast to set the way.
	With all the like bad complexions.
	The best time zone, the best time zone is pretty simple.
	It's Arizona time because it is the only time zone in America that is never on daylight savings time, which is this curse and blight upon the peoples of this earth.
	I've evolved on this issue.
	We certainly could.
	I'm evolved on this issue, as Barack Obama said about gay marriage.
	I've evolved on this issue, guys.
	And I actually do think standard time is probably the right time.
	Blake convinced me on this.
	It's a Blake thing.
	Jack had nothing to do with it.
	No, Blake convinced me first.
	You know, it was funny because Politico was writing this up at one point.
	Did you know there's actually a foundation for getting rid of all the daylight savings time?
	And they were like sending stuff to me and they were like, retweet our stuff.
	And I was like, hey, this is pretty good.
	And they were pulling up Bible quotes and different health studies.
	There are political action committees dedicated to this issue.
	Yeah.
	And then Politico wrote it up and they came to me and they were like, did Donald Trump tell you to start tweeting about getting rid of daylight savings time?
	And I was like, no, but someone did.
	And they're like, who?
	Blake Neff.
	They're like, who is this?
	Who is this Blake Neff?
	Blake, funny.
	I didn't report that part.
	So here's a question for Blake.
	So you were living on the East Coast and then you joined the Charlie Kirk show and you moved to permanently standard time.
	What was that transition like for you?
	Did you like it?
	Well, I liked it overall.
	I do like a kind of funny thing, an artifact of me moving out, is I actually still have my computer on Eastern time because the show is on Eastern time.
	Let's go.
	It keeps me from getting messed up.
	Keeps me from getting messed up if I fly somewhere.
	And I just, I always basically intuitively know, you know, let's just pay attention.
	What time is it in DC?
	Because that's where, you know, most things are going on.
	That's where the show time is always on.
	I do like things generally happening earlier in Arizona.
	I do think there's this like psychotic need to keep everything very late at night out east.
	So I kind of like that the Super Bowl begins as an afternoon event.
	I like that the NFL basically is rolling as soon as like church is over, even if I go early in the morning.
	Yeah, I'm just kind of becoming a sucker for all these things that happen early in the day, which is accentuated by the fact that you're a traitor.
	You're a traitor to the East.
	It's accentuated by the fact.
	Eastside, devilish.
	We don't have devilish daylight savings time in Arizona.
	So the sun is rising in the morning as it should.
	And then it is setting in the evening when we should be preparing to sleep.
	That's correct.
	And so all things are in alignment under Arizona time, whereas the East Coast goes and they rebel against God because they hate God on the East Coast.
	And so they keep on.
	And then they have dinner.
	They have dinner at 9 p.m.
	It's okay.
	One at a time.
	One at a time.
	And they want to stay up late.
	They want to stay up.
	One last thing.
	They want to stay up late.
	They want to stay up late on the East Coast because they want to watch late night television shows like Jimmy Kimmel that are on very late at night.
	And this is just part of their general evil dynamic on the East Coast.
	And yet Jimmy Kimmel is broadcast from the West Coast, Blake.
	That's a little flying news.
	It doesn't matter.
	They air late at night for their East Coast audience.
	It's not where it is recorded.
	It's spiritually where is the show base.
	Yeah, so many holes in this argument.
	I will tell you, I will tell you.
	It's a cheese argument over here.
	When I go to like New York or D.C. and just the late night of it all is really like an adjustment.
	Like people on the East Coast stay up way later as a general cultural trend than we do on the West Coast.
	And I don't love it.
	I don't love it.
	No, like, when I'm, you're texting me, it's nine o'clock your time.
	It's midnight my time.
	I'm still up.
	And then I'm hitting that wake up, pray up, GM, Christ is king.
	That's 6:45 a.m.
	You got to roll.
	You got to roll.
	Listen, you know what's funny, though?
	I just looked at our graphic.
	Throw up 342.
	This is hilarious to me.
	So we, because the show graphic was made in mountain time, they included 4 p.m. MT.
	Like nobody ever includes MT.
	And I just noticed that.
	4 p.m. MT.
	There were people in the comments who were actually correcting it and adding PT because people are like, why?
	What is this?
	Like, who puts MT in the graphic?
	I don't know who on our team did.
	No, the funny thing.
	Like, how many states are in MT.
	Possibly quite a few.
	It's a pretty, you know, there's like a lot of states out there.
	Although, a funny thing is that happens with MT.
	A funny thing, if you really want to be intensely pedantic, and I think it's caused issues before when we schedule things, is, you know, we'll send out those emails for like when we're doing the AMA with subscribers.
	And technically, even when we're on Pacific time due to daylight savings time being practiced in the heathen lands, we're just always on mountain standard time.
	That is the official time in Arizona.
	We're not going back and forth between mountain and Pacific.
	It's just we're always on MST, Mountain Standard Time.
	And this totally bamboozles people.
	This causes no end of trouble, which could all be eliminated if we eliminated the heathen daylight savings time and its rebellion against God, which is the cause of most natural disasters in the United States.
	I just have this vision of Blake winning the lottery and spending all of the money on lobbying the U.S. government to make everything like Arizona.
	But Blake, you said I thought Hawaii also doesn't do time change.
	I think they do.
	I'm pretty sure Arizona's the only one.
	Oh, no, I think it's Hawaii and Arizona.
	Maybe who's that?
	Did Hawaii change?
	Did Hawaii?
	That would explain why Hawaii doesn't have bad things happen to it, even though they're really low.
	It just almost burned down Maui, but that's fine.
	It basically did.
	But hey, throw up this image.
	Okay, Hawaii doesn't observe it.
	It does not.
	Hey, you asked a question.
	You asked a question.
	We're going to answer it.
	Look at 343.
	It's a pretty good map.
	343.
	So you got Arizona, which is on mountain time, like part of the time.
	What we would consider mountain time.
	You got New Mexico.
	You've even got Western Texas.
	Like, so where El Paso is, is on, and then you've got Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Eastern Oregon.
	I had no idea.
	Only part of Idaho is on Mountain Time.
	And then the northern part of Idaho goes back to Pacific time.
	All of Montana, southwestern North Dakota, western South Dakota, western Nebraska, and western Kansas.
	This is a, I had no idea it was this elaborate.
	Is this like news to anybody else?
	Like, I will say this: traveling as much as all of us do, it is, you know, it is funny.
	I'm actually interested.
	Do you guys all keep your computer in a certain time zone?
	My rule is my computer stays in Eastern.
	I keep them in America's time zone, which is Eastern time zone.
	Okay.
	The Lord's time.
	Okay.
	Jack.
	My favorite thing.
	Yawa and your tasty cakes and your Philadelphia Eagles, the United States Super Bowl champions.
	Is that going to happen again?
	I hope Juju when we come here because they lost.
	No, it's not going to happen.
	No.
	Will, before we move on, we should move on to our official topic in a second, but I do just Jess Freedom.
	We have our live chat now, and just Jess's Freedom says that we have daylight savings time to help farmers, and I need to wage war upon this myth.
	Here we go.
	Because it is not true.
	If you've ever talked to a farmer, they can't follow daylight savings time because what do farmers work with?
	They work with the natural world, which was created by God.
	And do cows know that the time zone has changed?
	No, the cows are going to do their cow stuff at the same time.
	Solar, the same solar time.
	So if you have to do something at sunrise, you just have to do something at sunrise.
	If you have to do something before the sun goes down, they're just going to do it regardless.
	So daylight savings time really has no effect on the farmers.
	It was created during World War I by evil people like Woodrow Wilson, and then it was brought back by other evil people like Franklin Roosevelt.
	Wait.
	And now we just perpetually live in slavery under what they've created.
	Wait, I did not know that.
	Woodrow Wilson, Daylight Savings Time originated.
	The original idea for it, the original idea for it was during World War I.
	And they thought it could save some energy and they thought it would improve wartime production and something like that.
	I can't remember the exact nature of it, but it originally began in World War I as a wartime measure.
	And then they brought it back.
	I'm not making this up.
	They brought it back during the Great Depression because FDR thought that there would be more shopping if there was more daylight and this would stimulate the economy.
	Let me throw out one cool factoid.
	Florida is not all in Eastern time.
	Parts of Florida and Central.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's how you know because we have to go.
	Yeah, every year during the election.
	Yeah, I figured the election folks would remember this, but they count obviously the first half, and then you've got a little piece of the panhandle.
	Yeah, it's a panhandle.
	That covers it, but that's how wide the panhandle is that it dips in the central time zone.
	I knew that because I went to Destin and I kept showing up an hour late to phone calls, and I had no idea that there was a central time zone in Florida.
	You know what?
	I do feel bad for the states that are like cut in half, right?
	Because you've got Tennessee, Eastern Tennessee is on Eastern, Western Tennessee is on Central.
	Eastern Kentucky, Eastern, Western, same.
	Indiana has parts of Eastern, parts of Western.
	And did you know that the farthest west that the East Coast time goes is to the Upper Peninsula, but half of the Effort Peninsula is on East Coast, half of it is on West Coast.
	Fascinating.
	Look at that cutout of Idaho.
	I mean, Idaho is really struggling.
	I mean, they literally just didn't know it.
	What's going on with Eastern Oregon?
	I don't understand what's going on with that.
	Is that the conservative part of the state?
	Which part of Oregon?
	That's the conservative part.
	There's literally only one part that's not conservative.
	It's called Portland.
	Well, it bend, you know, probably is, but the same with Washington.
	It's like Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, liberal.
	Everything else, conservative.
	Let me just throw that map up again one more time.
	Can we show that up?
	Because I just want to look at my glorious East Coast time zone.
	Oh, look at it.
	It's so good.
	So perfect.
	So wonderful.
	It's just, I mean, what is that even saying?
	Play the Stephen A when he went after Andrew.
	Hell yes.
	Well, Blake, can I at least get you to agree on this?
	That if we do start messing around with the times at all, that we should also take GMT away from London and make U.S. East Coast time the sort of international standard for zero.
	I'm torn on that one because Britain is a like benighted country that has become kind of third world.
	But GMT was created by Britain when it was a great country.
	And I don't know.
	It's like I would rather just GMT would still be GMT because it's Greenwich because that's where Greenwich is.
	It's based on London.
	But what I'm saying is you make, you know, you just make like American, like AST, American Standard Time, and that's, or American Mean Time, and that's East Coast, and that's zero now.
	And force everyone else to change their clocks off of us.
	Wouldn't we just still call it Greenwich Meridian Time and we just set it to like Greenwich, Connecticut?
	There you go.
	Now we're thinking genius.
	This is why we have Blake.
	This is why we have a Blake.
	Solomon like wisdom over here on tap for you.
	All right, we should get in to the actual topics here.
	Let's see.
	Which one do we want first?
	H-1B, H-1B, H-1B.
	H-1B.
	All right.
	Okay.
	We've got to hit the H-1B topic.
	Okay.
	So this blew up again.
	It's kind of blown up cyclically over the past year, but it blew up again this week because President Trump had an interview with Laura Ingram on Fox, and they hit a lot of different topics.
	But a big thing that came up was H-1Bs because a lot of people have said we should have an immigration freeze.
	We should radically cut back H-1Bs.
	For those who can't remember, H-1Bs are kind of the skilled, the most common skilled worker visa.
	So a company says there is some skill we can't fill in the U.S. market.
	We need to bring in someone from overseas.
	A lot of tech companies do this.
	Anyway, Laura asked President Trump about H-1B visas, and this came up.
	Let's play Clip 200.
	There's never going to be a country like what we have right now.
	And does that mean?
	The Republicans have to talk about it a lot.
	And does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?
	Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.
	We also do have to bring in talent.
	We have plenty of talent as people.
	No, you don't.
	No, you don't.
	Ooh, no, you don't.
	And I love that after that clip saying we don't have talent, I went straight to a full shot of Blake.
	Imagine Blake being replaced with an Indian on this stream right now.
	We must make Arizona Martin Time back.
	H-1Bs.
	I like Aijon Beach.
	You only pay me half.
	I work for half the dollar.
	You know, Mikey's got it going on when the whole control room is losing.
	This was the Momdami theme song.
	Remember, this was the theme song that Lundani walked off of his.
	That can't be real.
	Is that real?
	Well, don't you know when they award?
	Play the clip if you don't believe me.
	No, it is.
	It's true.
	When we award H-1Bs to Indians.
	Yeah, when we award H-1Bs to Indians, when we hand the piece of paper, that's the song that plays.
	That's the first song that he heard when he got to the bottom.
	This is what Mom Donnie wants for America.
	Yeah.
	We'll get the clip.
	We'll get the Google.
	Can we play the song again?
	How's it going?
	I need the song again.
	How's it going?
	You should show.
	No, no, Mikey's got it down.
	I wanted to hear it.
	It's the Mom Donnie theme.
	You got to do your Mamdani interpretation.
	Wow.
	H-1B.
	So to some alert.
	Okay.
	These studios having so much fun right now.
	Can you, studio, show my image.
	So from after that, the screen I have up right now.
	After that happened, the conservative base lost their minds after this clip from Laura Trump, or Laura Ingram, rather.
	Now, this ABC saying, where is my president?
	Some MAGA supporters are in an uproar over Trump's H-1B visa comments.
	So this is, I would say I got some of that feedback when we did the show.
	the next day, it was like absolutely an uproar.
	The emails were ugly for the Trump administration.
	And I think like, listen, if there's an opportunity where we could get rid of H-1B altogether and maybe expand the genius visa, but actually ensure that they're geniuses, I'd be open, more open-minded to that conversation.
	But the way that the communication came off, it was kind of rough.
	It was kind of rough.
	Saying we don't have talent.
	Yes.
	No, no, we don't.
	We don't.
	No.
	But, you know, it's genuinely interesting because the H-1B has like bounced back and forth a lot.
	And like the truth is, is America does have a talent issue.
	The problem is that it's actually significantly created by H-1Bs.
	And, you know, there's a lot of good stuff pointing this out.
	Like a reason not as many people are going into STEM fields as you'd call it is like we lowered the wages for it because we brought in so many H-1Bs in certain fields.
	And another thing we did is we screwed up the education pipeline.
	Like for example, getting a PhD in something like computer science, something like physics, something engineering related.
	Way fewer Americans are getting PhDs in that.
	Why is one reason they do that?
	Well, a huge number of foreigners are willing to do those PhDs for like very low pay while you're getting the PhD.
	Well, why do they do that?
	Because you can come to the U.S., study to get a PhD, and in addition to whatever money you're getting, you can get a visa to live and work in America at the end of it.
	And so effectively, they get paid way more while they're studying because they're getting something hugely valuable, which is U.S. citizenship or a path to citizenship as a side effect of it.
	So basically, you've made it.
	So you're getting paid way less if you're an American getting a PhD at a school in America.
	Same thing with the H-1B thing.
	And on top of that, we make it lower status because we've kind of signaled, oh, like certain fields are things tons of immigrants do.
	And, you know, being a fresh off-the-boat immigrant worker is not as high status as working in various other high-powered fields.
	So unsurprisingly, Americans have gone into jobs like finance, like law, like consulting that have fewer immigrants in them.
	A lot of those jobs, you need to know English a lot more fluently than you do in hard STEM fields.
	So we basically just massively borked our own skill pipeline.
	And then they turn around and they're like, oh, Americans just don't want to do these jobs or Americans are too dumb to do these jobs.
	And it's like, no, we just actively screwed them up.
	And if you look at the America that landed a man on the moon, yeah, there were some immigrants who worked at NASA.
	There were some immigrants who worked on the Manhattan Project.
	But 95 plus percent of that workforce was grown in America.
	And we have a perfectly smart population to continue doing that.
	We just chose not to.
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	Yeah, I actually totally agree with this.
	But I also, I think it's more like soft incentive structures.
	So yeah, you could look at wages, you could look at this and that.
	But what's probably what I've seen, and I've talked to one of the things I would do when we'd go on these campus tours, I'd talk to people like, hey, why don't you pursue that?
	And some of the more honest kids would just be like, well, listen, like, it's all like Indians and Chinese kids that are in those classes.
	There's something about wanting to be around people that you recognize and that you relate to.
	And when you, when you want, as you're an American kid now and you want to go be an engineer, you want to be a, you know, go into these STEM fields and you look around, you're like, none of them are like me.
	It must not be for me.
	There's like, it's almost like a subconscious conclusion you reach pretty immediately where like, this is not for me.
	Yeah, I actually remember touring UC Berkeley as a rower and I was going around the campus and I remember eating at the dining hall and it was just like all Chinese students.
	And that went through my head.
	I was like, I don't know if I want to go here.
	I just, this doesn't resonate with me.
	Like these are literally all foreign like Chinese.
	It just doesn't feel like me.
	Yeah.
	It's just not.
	It feels un-American.
	It feels like you have to like, you're studying abroad just at UC Berkeley.
	Yeah.
	I think that has more to do with it.
	Real quick here, though, do you guys know the facts?
	70% of H-1B visa holders come from which country?
	where's the song 70% Let's get the number up to 80.
	I don't know.
	I think we have a song for this one.
	10 to 15% of H-1Bs come from China?
	China.
	Yep.
	Where's our, do we have any China music?
	Not quite.
	Not quite.
	Bigs, caboose.
	And 80%.
	Let me just say to anyone who thinks that the Chinese have the ability to take over, they're certainly not taking over this country.
	They're certainly not taking over this podcast.
	And another thing, what is that?
	Some of those soundboard things that you see?
	When the control room is laughing, that we can hear them through the controls.
	The control room is out of control.
	Yeah, the soundboard is definitely killing all the bits we're trying to do tonight.
	Oh, gauntlet drone.
	Music is good, but yeah, like the voices are not.
	Oh, well, Jack has spoken.
	It is hard to understand what those sound effects are.
	So, how about this, though?
	JD Vance is, I think he's sounding a better tone, if you will.
	This is a little bit longer clip.
	And that's all right.
	All right, let's go to clip 186.
	Let in about a million legal immigrants into the United States of America every single year.
	And I think the evidence is pretty clear that a lot of those immigrants are actually undercutting the wages of American workers.
	It's one of the reasons why the president of the United States, it's one of the reasons why the president of the United States and a lot of us in the administration have encouraged H-1B reform.
	Because if you look at the H-1B visa, what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to be is that you have a super genius who's studying at an American university, who's working at a great company.
	You want that super genius to stay in the United States of America and not go somewhere else.
	What it's actually used to do is hire an accountant at a 50% discount to an American citizen.
	I don't think that we should be hiring accountants from foreign countries when we've got accountants right here in the United States that would love to work for a good wage.
	Always on the money.
	Huge.
	Let's go.
	End the scams.
	Get it out.
	End the scams.
	I think that's where we all kind of come on this issue because you had Trump kind of sounding a different tone, but that was connected to this 600,000 Chinese student visa holders also.
	And I have to read into this a little bit.
	So the timing of this interview, and then you have this press conference with Kash Patel, basically, was it the next day or two days after saying that China has agreed to cut off all these precursors to fentanyl.
	So the sympathetic reading here is that Trump was trying not to scuttle a deal that was in the process of happening and wanted to send friendly vibes to President Xi.
	Yeah, but I think you've got two different problems here.
	And that is the argument about, hey, do we want to have immigration for manual labor jobs, the jobs that actual Americans likely do not want to do, right?
	Now, will they adjust if they have to?
	Maybe.
	But I think JD's point, like, if we're talking about accountants, like, that's a good paying job that Americans would be very happy to have.
	I just think they're two very different conversations.
	And I think JD understands how to package that in a way.
	Because when people hear that, it's not, oh, hotel workers.
	It's not sanitation.
	It's not landscapers or farmers.
	It's legitimately, you know, somebody that's making close to six figures a year as an accountant.
	Well, but I think the base, and maybe Blake, Jack, you guys have a different take on this.
	I think the base is so sick of immigration that they just, they want like moratorium, full moratorium.
	They want H-1Bs gone.
	Even if I say genius visas.
	That's a big part of it.
	It's that like, yes, you can come up with a justification for almost everything they do, yet we've heard these explanations for decades, and the clear long-run result is basically great replacement and tons of scams and just this general displacement of the American people.
	And as I was saying, a lot of where we're dependent on immigration or immigrants are doing the jobs Americans won't do, it's like actively because we brought in so many immigrants.
	Like there's a recent, I saw a recent article where a ski resort is claiming they need to bring in foreign workers, I think guest workers in this case, to be ski bums at a ski mountain because no one in America is willing to ski, spend the winter skiing to be a ski bum.
	No one in America, and like they'll probably do this for lifeguards at like nice beaches because no one in America is willing to work as a lifeguard.
	We never had a super popular TV show about Americans doing exactly that.
	Like we have actively messed up so many pipelines into work.
	Like, you know, people will complain Americans don't do summer jobs anymore.
	And yet we've actively kind of foreignized all of the jobs that young workers would do.
	And we just, we like messed everything up.
	And also we changed our college admissions so they require all this BS and you're not supposed to be working a job.
	You're supposed to be doing your BS for college admissions.
	It's just absolute lunacy.
	And like you look at that and say, yeah, sorry, we've gotten addicted to this bad thing.
	The way you fix the addiction is you go cold turkey.
	We got hooked on the heroine of the heroine of Hindus, I guess, in the case of H-1Bs.
	Yeah, and it's literally like it's, well, I guess you would say poppy in that case, but it's, it's literally just like we've become worshipers of the GDP.
	Like, do conservatives actually care about conserving anything other than the GDP?
	Like the social order or the social fabric or patriotism or our Christian background or our heritage or any of these things.
	Like you talk to some of these guys, it's literally, they're like, oh, GDP, GDP, GDP.
	First of all, the GDP doesn't even exist.
	It's like an economic model.
	It's not like a theory.
	You can't go out and like take your portion of the GDP and invest it in the stock exchange.
	The GDP is not a real thing.
	Like it's literally not real, bro.
	So, you know, what is real is economic conditions.
	You know, what else is real is quality of life and cost of living.
	And all of these things are real.
	And the GDP is not.
	There are certain businesses that are doing well.
	There are certain segments of the population that are doing well, typically older segments.
	But no, it is not good for everybody out there.
	And worship of the GDP is going to destroy the Republican Party, the conservative movement, the MAGA movement, and ultimately the United States of America.
	And I just want to be very clear about this.
	So I just want to make sure everyone understands that.
	Yeah, but I think the question is, do we really understand a word of it?
	Do we really want a full moratorium?
	And are people ready for the growing pains that are going to come from that?
	Yeah, there's going to be a lot of economic disruption if we did a full motor.
	Oh, the libertarians coming out now.
	Cliff's libertarians coming out.
	I've been radicalized on this in a good way.
	You guys would be proud of me.
	But no, I think those growing pains would be a little tougher than people think.
	Oh, they'd be.
	We don't.
	Here comes.
	Here comes.
	We don't know.
	We don't have.
	According to Ayn Rand.
	We don't have the intestinal fortitude as a country to put up with it.
	And the reason is, is that our media landscape would absolutely revolt.
	So everybody, this is half the problem with our current dynamic.
	We can't have nice things because the media tells us that everything's in disarray.
	Trump is screwing everything up.
	All hell's breaking loose.
	And really, like, if you're just like driving to work and driving home, hanging out with your kids, you have no idea what the heck they're talking about.
	But then you get on social media and you're just like, everything's crazy and everything's awful.
	Oh.
	And we would instantly reverse course and then weak Republicans in the House and Rand Paul would start saying we need to pass a law to make it so that people can't do XYZ.
	I mean, that is the truth.
	We do not have the ability to take dramatic action, it seems, in very many ways at all, actually.
	And it takes essentially a decade to shut the border down.
	That's what it is.
	It took a decade of us having one of the most dramatic political fights of Trump's 1.0, his exile, and Trump 2.0 for us to finally, as a country, go, okay, we probably don't like this.
	We're going to actually shut it down.
	Otherwise, we can't have nice things.
	So you can't do H-1B reform.
	You can't do actual legal immigration reform without building a consensus over about a decade.
	Because if not, then the media will just tell you everything's awful.
	And people will believe it.
	Well, and this debate reminds me of the big Trump moment at the first debate against Hillary, or one of them in 2016, where he says, you know, the famous line, well, you've been in office for 40 years.
	And you know how I know you're not going to change the tax code?
	Because of your donors.
	Your donors do very well.
	Yes, that's why I do well into the tax code too.
	But he does this whole thing.
	And Dave Chappelle, there's a whole bit about how he was like, what did Trump just say?
	Like, that's speaking for the people.
	That's the battle right now, which is you're going to have tons of CEOs, business owners, different people that are going to be pushing the president and the administration to actually come out and say, listen, we need workers at our hotels.
	We need workers in the farms.
	And then you have the base of America First saying, no, we want no more of this immigration stuff.
	We want to pause it.
	And I think those are the two forces.
	Yeah.
	I think it's corporations.
	Corporations are the ones.
	It's easy to blame the corporations, but kind of an interesting thing I was reading just a few days ago that got pointed out.
	It's another way the H-1B stuff actually has screwed everything up.
	And it's if you look at it, it actually squares with some of the economic turbulence people have talked about lately, where if you look at the economic data, things are still pretty good if you're an older worker, like an established professional.
	The economy is kind of humming along fine.
	There's actually a good number of job openings.
	Where it's really bad is entry-level workers, the workers just out of college.
	And yet they're still saying we need to bring in a bunch of foreign workers because they can't fill jobs.
	And it's kind of true because where we have a bottleneck is specifically entry-level jobs.
	And this is partly a product of what Charlie would love to talk about, which is college being a scam.
	You don't learn useful things in college.
	Even if you're studying a technical field, you don't really learn how to do the jobs in that field getting that degree.
	You learn those by getting entry-level jobs in that field.
	You learn to be a programmer by being a programmer.
	You learn to be an engineer by being an engineer.
	You learn to work in media by working in media.
	All of those things.
	You need to get an entry-level job.
	And those are bad.
	And the availability of those is bad.
	And but yeah, there's like kind of it's almost a meme that there's like infinite jobs out there that require five years experience and something.
	And what we've gotten ourselves into here is we've gotten ourselves into this H-1B situation where companies have like very little incentive to provide training to like provide that sort of thankless on-the-job training for people because then an employee can just leave.
	And so they just decide everyone should just already know how to do the job when we're going to hire them.
	Oh, no Americans know how to do this.
	Let's just bring in more H-1Bs.
	So like an actual policy thing we need to do is we need to make it so a company has an incentive to just train new people to do their job.
	And it's not like we're unable to do this because we actually have a pretty big institution in America that is able to train Americans to do jobs.
	Even kind of dumb Americans, even Americans who like might only have a high school education and we still need to train them to do technical things.
	And it's called the U.S. military.
	The U.S. military trains random people of below average intelligence all the time to do complex stuff.
	And honestly, I suspect the reason is just because they can sign you up for four years and you just can't leave.
	You can't quit.
	You get in trouble if you leave.
	Blake, you know there's no test if you join the military, right?
	Yeah, but is it that demanding, Jack?
	Well, yeah, but there's literally nuclear engineers in the military.
	Yes.
	But there's also like guys with no college degree.
	I bet not every single guy on a submarine needs to be that smart to work on the nuclear submarine.
	Well, you are if you're working in the nuclear power plant.
	Maybe, but it's probably not as smart as you need to be to get a PhD in nuclear engineering.
	There are people with PhDs in nuclear engineering in the military, Blake.
	There are, there are, but I bet you don't need to have one to work on the nuclear submarine, including in the nuclear stuff.
	You do just military trains people doing complex stuff all the time.
	The point that I'm making is that actually there is a sorting process when you join the military so that they test people's intelligence, which is kind of like illegal in like every other field.
	I know we've talked about this before, where they actually can, you know, they do sort people by intelligence and they say, okay, you know, you're this type of age range called the ASVAP on the enlisted side.
	So you're in this age range, IQ range.
	So we're going to put you here.
	You're going to be over here.
	You're going to be here, et cetera, et cetera.
	And it's something that actually works.
	When it's done with the right, when you take the DEI quotients and all that randomness out of it, it actually can be used really, really well because you can find, like, certain people just don't have what it takes to be a nuclear engineer.
	And in fact, you can test that while testing someone's intelligence.
	You don't have to just like put them through the pipeline and see what happens.
	And so I think it's actually something that we should look to as, you know, probably a pretty good model for, you know, just the rest of these things that we're talking about.
	Like, for example, I don't know, the workforce.
	You know, what's interesting as well is that this is brought back up Vivek Ramaswamy's Christmas Save by the Bell infamous tweet.
	And you know what I didn't realize is that that tweet, that original one that caused all that kerfuffle in December, has 125 million engagements.
	What?
	On X and Twitter.
	Huge.
	Throw up image 345.
	And this was a snippet of it.
	He says, the reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born and first-generation engineers over Native Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit.
	A lazy and wrong explanation.
	I don't know who was suggesting that it was an IQ deficit.
	So that was interesting.
	A key part of it comes down to the C word, culture.
	Tough questions demand tough answers.
	And if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth at all caps.
	I mean, do we think that the American culture, Blake, you're saying that the H-1B problem is self-perpetuating, that it creates its own problem.
	When we drown out certain industries with foreign-born workers, American workers either get priced out or they no longer go into those fields because they're looked at as foreign-based fields.
	Is there an innate culture problem that we have?
	I think culture to some extent is created by, it's almost an unintended side effect of a bunch of choices we make.
	And, you know, it's often commented one of the issues, one of the things people complain about with H-1Bs is they will say, like, a company will let in a few H-1Bs.
	Maybe a lot of them are from specifically India.
	And then over time, it just gets more and more foreign.
	And eventually it's like a foreign shop.
	Well, that's a real cultural issue because, you know, you probably reach a tipping point there where if it's 75% people of foreign origin, now it's like, why would I want to go work there?
	Where a lot of the guys, maybe they don't even talk in English when they're in the office.
	They prefer to speak a different language.
	It's just very alienating.
	They may sort of see you in a hostile way.
	There's all of these dynamics that go on.
	And then when that happens at a society-wide level, you eventually have a different country.
	And when you're doing this to important skilled fields, which a lot of the stuff that we do with H-1Bs is important stuff that's important for our most like sophisticated and advanced and technical companies, you're messing up the whole country.
	And we have, because we've made it so easy to bring in foreigners for those highly technical fields, we've basically de-skilled the American population in a way that's really damaging.
	And I think, you know, we're focusing on the H-1Bs a lot because that's been the meme.
	That's what people talk about.
	But I think, you know, we also have that other Trump clip with the 600,000 Chinese students.
	I think it's as bad there.
	The fact that we've made it so easy for colleges to bring in more foreigners to fill their PhD programs, I think is a huge issue.
	And a big reason the colleges do it is just so they can pay PhDs less to be adjunct professors.
	It's absolutely insane to me that we would devalue PhDs for Americans, like super highly skilled work, just so that, you know, freaking Tufts University can pay an adjunct professor $40,000 a year instead of $55,000 a year or whatever amount it is.
	I think you just hit on something that's actually, it's a college scam that's behind a lot of this because the universities can't pay full, native-born students don't pay full freight.
	Guess who does?
	The Chinese students.
	And they'll pay full freight, not at the top universities.
	They'll pay it at the B and the C list universities.
	So that's happening a lot.
	A lot of these student visa problems, when you talk about this clip, 600,000 Chinese students, they're coming over and they're basically keeping the lights on at a lot of these universities.
	Yeah, yeah, excellent take.
	And then on top of that, just to defend Trump a little bit, our universities are failing our students here in America.
	Like we're just not producing the type of students that can qualify for jobs like this.
	And instead of it actually being like an in-depth PhD or degree, it would be the sociology and understanding of accounting for lesbians.
	And these are like the degrees that you're getting instead of actually like producing good students or trade schools, which is what Charlie used to advocate for.
	Let me make, I don't think I've ever talked about this.
	Before I got in politics, I was a math teacher.
	Do you guys know that?
	I don't know if I've said that on the other side.
	You have.
	Mr. Maloney.
	Those were the days.
	You would be a great math teacher.
	It was a lot of fun.
	I'd love to.
	Here's a really interesting thing.
	I was teaching in like central western Pennsylvania and I had one Chinese student.
	Now he has since graduated.
	Wait a minute.
	That's not true.
	They don't teach math in Pennsylvania public schools.
	Okay, let me get to the punchline.
	So this is fifth grade, and I just always remember this cultural moment where, and this is so, this is such a bad stereotype.
	His family owned like the one Chinese restaurant in town.
	It's a very white town, yes.
	And I went there one time for dinner after school, a couple buddies of mine from college, and I walk in and he's literally in my fifth grade class.
	And he comes running up, says hello.
	Hey, Mr. Maloney.
	And his parents were very happy to see me, but they made it very clear that he was not to be interrupted until his homework was done.
	And he had to finish the homework before he could eat.
	And I just, that was such a cultural moment for me.
	I know it's like very much like the stereotype moment, but you think that's happening with any type of American born student.
	I mean, yeah, there are some great parents out there doing good things, but the cultural difference is just you can see it.
	And I think the discipline that a lot of these cultures have, we just, we don't have it as a whole.
	We really don't.
	And by the way, they're poor of the poor.
	They're not like, you know, people that are very well-to-do sending their kids to some great school.
	So I don't look at it like that because if you look at it like that with, you know, let's say white Americans or, you know, your everyday blue collar American, I think it's even worse the lower you go in the socioeconomic statuses because there's just no, it's such a lack of discipline that the other cultures have.
	Well, to your point, it's kind of depressing.
	If you throw up image 239, this is UCSD's math two course teaches grade school math.
	That's grades one through eight to freshmen.
	So this is UCSD.
	UCSD is ranked as the nation's fifth best public university.
	And so 25 percent of students got this problem wrong.
	Seven plus two equals blank plus six.
	What is that?
	What is that, Cliff?
	What is it?
	Let me see.
	I'm not a biologist.
	So seven plus two equals blank plus six.
	Let me see the box.
	Let me zoom in here.
	To three.
	Dude, seriously?
	There you go.
	He's a math teacher.
	There you go.
	Three?
	61% of students, a large majority, couldn't round 374,518 to the nearest hundred.
	That would be 374,500.
	It's been many years since Mr. Maloney's.
	37% of students.
	I don't know.
	For the record, I was kidding.
	I knew the answer is three.
	They're going to clip that.
	I'm going to lose my license.
	Zoom in.
	You didn't have your spectacles on.
	There you go.
	37% of students couldn't subtract fractions.
	So this is like, to, you know, I mean, I look at this and I have no problem.
	I can subtract fractions.
	But that does suggest at a top five public university in the country that majorities of students couldn't round to the nearest 100.
	Yeah.
	And listen, math is going to be our biggest problem because if you miss a couple history lessons, but you get engaged later on.
	This suggests that the problem is arising in high school and middle school and elementary school.
	Well, the problem, I mean, the problem is it's so many levels, and especially with the UC schools, what's not kind of being talked about with this going viral, but we 100% know what happened.
	So California bans race-based affirmative action officially under their law due to that thing in the 90s.
	They tried to get rid of it in 2020.
	And in the same election where, you know, they went for Joe Biden by 30 points or whatever, they failed.
	They failed to repeal that.
	It was very funny.
	They tried to ram it through, and everyone was like, no, I don't like racial discrimination.
	So the UC system, what they do is they just try to scam this system because what they do is they have the data for who goes to different high schools and they just start letting people in who are totally not qualified for certain schools if they go to the right high schools.
	And a big reason they do this is they, I'll just say it, they want to increase the Hispanic percentage at a lot of the UC schools.
	So UC San Diego has just been caught where they're freezing out.
	Only they're totally freezing out.
	No, I'm actually freezing out.
	I actually think Cliff is wrong.
	I am wrong?
	Yeah, no, put that question back up.
	The original one.
	No, seven plus two.
	That's not the right answer.
	Seven plus two.
	It's not the right answer.
	It's not the right answer.
	Throw it up.
	Throw it up, studio.
	Not the right answer.
	Nine equals.
	It's very obvious.
	It's very obvious that the right answer is.
	I can't believe you guys can't see it.
	Oh, my God.
	Fill in the box.
	Oh, is it 15?
	I can't even say that.
	No, the correct answer is obviously.
	The correct answer is obviously 6'7.
	6'7 right there.
	Let's get it.
	Yes.
	Hemdas.
	Dive in.
	6'7.
	Let's go.
	Shame.
	Shame.
	I really thought my career was over.
	I was like, we're going to have to edit this whole thing out, aren't we?
	We're going to just take the stream down to save Cliff Maloney's career.
	Mikey, these boomers don't get it.
	They don't get it.
	6'7.
	6'7.
	I have a seven-year-old.
	Stop saying 6'7.
	He's only 6'2.
	It's not funny.
	Oh, man.
	Okay.
	Angela goes, it's live.
	You can't edit it out.
	Thanks, Angela.
	Andrew's like, I'm revealing too much.
	He pops a smoke grenade and disappears.
	So Angela brings up a really good point.
	This is, I think, the crux of the argument here.
	Philosophically, it feels like the base is at an inflection point, right?
	Are we going to burn down the institutions or is it still worth trying to reform them?
	You can reform them.
	Maybe.
	By the way, half the chat is saying, I knew he was going to say 6-7.
	And the other half is like, what is 6-7?
	Accurate.
	Very accurate.
	6-7.
	Mikey, you need to explain to everybody.
	Mikey, it's not funny.
	Okay, I'll explain, guys.
	6-7.
	Six, seven.
	That's literally all right.
	Why did they?
	I don't understand how that even caught.
	I mean, 6-7.
	I know.
	I now no longer support helping Gen Z turn itself around after this meeting.
	Because I have spent time with Mikey.
	All right.
	Shall we, I think we've hit the, I don't know if we want to answer that question.
	Can we save the institutions, Blake?
	Maybe that's a Blake question.
	I would probably burn them to the ground.
	Like, when Trump says half our colleges would close if we cut off the Chinese students, good, good.
	A large number of universities and colleges just should be obliterated.
	They have become an absolute parasite upon the American body politic.
	We're just making it where to have a normal life, you have to divert four years into a school that we know at this point doesn't teach you many important things.
	Yet it's like socially required to get married or to have good dating prospects or just to be clubbable.
	It just, it's clearly become this bizarre thing that has greatly metastasized beyond what it was useful for.
	It costs a ton of money.
	It's sucking up actually a lot of talented people who could work in a real field to work instead at places that kind of produce not a lot.
	And just, no, we need to obliterate these things, blow them to smithereens, be like merit-based, have people get actual jobs again that actually make things, that teach useful skills.
	And just we need to, we need a cleansing of this country, a great cleansing, a great purge, if you will.
	I'm starting, I'm getting a message in now that's pro-soundboard.
	Throw it out to the chat.
	I am in the chat, by the way.
	What does the chat think about the soundboard?
	Can you understand it?
	Do you think it's funny?
	6'7.
	Oh, yes.
	Still my favorite.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	No, that one is good because it's established.
	The Sabrero is established.
	The Bollywood is established.
	Established sounds are good.
	Jack's part of the establishment.
	You got to watch him.
	I disagree with Blake that I want them to.
	Yeah, okay, Ayn Ray.
	Iran boy.
	Here we go.
	These things are never going to end until they stop getting funded.
	The money is going to be the problem.
	And this is not just the Democrat problem.
	This is Republicans as well.
	We keep funding these higher ed institutions.
	And Charlie always said this, and I never realized how accurate he was about the donor class.
	You ask the donor class, are colleges indoctrinating their students?
	100% of them say yes.
	Then you ask them, are you still giving money to your alma mater?
	And they all say the same thing.
	Yeah.
	Well, my school, there's a sentimental connection.
	You see, it's different.
	It's just like Congress.
	Everybody hates Congress, but not their congressman, right?
	They're different.
	We know him.
	He's a nice guy.
	It will not implode if we keep funding it with federal dollars, state dollars.
	That's the only way you end kind of the charade.
	The only industry where the cost of the product goes like this and the value of what you're getting goes like this.
	It's just, it's unsustainable.
	And we keep funding it.
	Excellent.
	So you guys don't have to do it.
	The chat is completely against me.
	The chat is completely pro-soundboard.
	I have been destroyed.
	It's over.
	It's 87 pozo.
	Pozo is done.
	It's the end of pozo, guys.
	This is, I'm checking out.
	Checking out.
	Also, nobody yelled at Andrew for wearing a suit on thought crime.
	Oh, yeah.
	Breaking our rule.
	Breaking all the rules.
	You know what it is?
	He's wearing a suit on thought crimes.
	I didn't even know that was.
	I know, right?
	Like, we don't know.
	There's really tiny thought crime.
	Okay, so this whole Arizona, we talk about time zones.
	Here's the thing with Arizona: everybody over-air conditions everything.
	And so I'm constantly cold.
	And it's a problem.
	Okay.
	It's cold because you're in a studio.
	Are you saying you're a little chilly, Andrew?
	Do you need a blanket?
	Andrew is a widow too.
	He's coming after Cliff.
	He's coming after the soundboard.
	He's talking to your name.
	Andrew is a little bit chilly, widowed.
	Andrew is just a little bit cold.
	It is very cold in here, though.
	It's cold.
	Can someone get Andrew some hot cocoa?
	Do you want the little marshmallows?
	All right.
	It is cold.
	All right.
	Listen, I think this is a good time to go to the next topic.
	Which is women in the military.
	Speaking of the military again, oh boy.
	Speaking of room temperature, people were not talking about your activity.
	It's very simple.
	Let's get up.
	It's very simple.
	Women are wrong about the temperature.
	Men need the cool.
	Men need what's the thermostat at in your house, Jack?
	Temperature, it is at 68 when I'm home.
	That's cold.
	But something interesting happens when I go to work and come back because I see 70 and above.
	I see 72s.
	I see 73s.
	I, on occasion, see 75s.
	And that simply will not do.
	That simply will not do.
	We usually keep the studio temperature around 6'7.
	Yeah, keep it right around 6'7.
	I think that's my apartment at like 78.
	I actually keep it pretty warm.
	Jack's reaction.
	Don't they say that if it's easy?
	I need to see Chad's evaluation of this.
	Don't they say that if I ever have ACs?
	You need to keep it cool for the production of testosterone.
	Did you know that Taylor Swift keeps her thermostat at 80 degrees?
	Did you check out?
	Checks out.
	Where did you find that information?
	Is that before?
	You just asked Grock, what does Taylor Swift?
	No, I was trying to think, what's that crazy former Washington Post journalist, the Lizard?
	Taylor Lorenz.
	What?
	Taylor Lorenz.
	Yeah, she keeps her thermostat at like 86.
	I can't believe I'm going to admit this on air.
	So I've been up and down about 100 pounds over my last couple, like five years, like gaining and losing.
	And I'm probably the lower of where I've been.
	When I was a big, big boy, a lot of tasty cakes, a lot of sugar in the Wawa iced tea.
	When I was a big boy, I mean, I would keep it very, very cold.
	But it's funny, like the more weight I lose, like when the hotel rooms, like I used to be like a 67, 6 to 7 type guy.
	I don't mind it sometimes, a 70 or 71.
	It's not too bad.
	I get cold.
	I got less.
	72 and sunny is literally the ideal human temperature.
	I don't understand.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Listen, high temperature.
	No, high temperature is low T behavior.
	Correct.
	High temperature is low T behavior.
	Yes.
	72 is not hot.
	That's California.
	You're just expansive.
	It's expansive.
	So the hotter you go, the lower the T.
	Well, I'm 72.
	I don't know.
	I feel like a lot of people.
	When did this become hot?
	I reject the premise.
	You're like setting the benchmark it like this obscenely are you saying temperature has no effect on testosterone?
	I'm saying that 72 versus 68 is four degrees and it's not that much.
	Jack, what do you have to say about hot tubs?
	I mean, for a limited time only, like you, you set it, you go in, then you get out.
	Do you like hot tubs, Andrew?
	Yeah, I'm very pro hot tubs.
	I literally have the search feature on Airbnb.
	That's like the one thing I put in.
	If I'm like going to get an Airbnb, I'd love just that 15 minutes in the hot tub.
	This is new to me because you came and you're like, Arizona doesn't have hot tubs.
	That's the one thing I miss about California.
	Yeah, no, it's weird.
	Everywhere's got a pool, but no hot tubs.
	But what's funny is that nobody has heating for the pool.
	And like right now, what is it?
	November 13th.
	What are we at right now?
	And it's too cold to go in the pools without heated pools, in my opinion.
	Unless you want to go.
	You're saying in Arizona?
	Yeah, Arizona.
	So you really only use your pool during like when it's 120 out or 110 out.
	Yeah.
	That's basically the culture around it.
	Yeah.
	Everybody's got pools, but nobody uses them during this time of year, and there's no hot tubs to use.
	I do a cold plunge.
	Charlie used to get addicted to cold plunges.
	Charlie was big on cold plunges.
	And then he stopped.
	No, he stopped because it screwed up his central nervous system.
	Yeah, he was like, he was like, it spikes cortisone levels if you don't do it right.
	So it was actually, it was too much.
	He was doing it too much, right?
	He's doing a little too much.
	Who inspired him?
	Tony Robbins, Tony Robbins.
	Tony Robbins.
	Tony Robbins.
	Tony Robbins inspired him.
	So he met with Tony and Tony told him, you should do this.
	It's really good.
	So he got really into it.
	And then all of a sudden, he started having this medical condition where he couldn't.
	Remember, he was like, it was almost like vertigo.
	And the doctor, so he goes to all these specialists.
	What's wrong with you?
	What's wrong with you?
	Because, you know, Charlie's got a very active life.
	He's speaking.
	He's doing this.
	He's got to do this and that.
	And then all of a sudden he couldn't stand up and he just had to basically sit down.
	And they identified that it was probably most likely the cold plunges that were screwing up.
	Do you remember?
	You remember this?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	No, you're right.
	Anyway, so I've never even delved into the cold plunge because A, it sounds terrible, but B, when Charlie had those issues, because he was starting to tempt me.
	I was like, oh man, maybe I need to start with cold showers or something in the morning.
	Do you guys do cold showers in the morning?
	Everybody says you got to do cold showers in the morning.
	No.
	No.
	No, I don't.
	No.
	All of these things, I'm going to go back to where I was.
	Almost all of these things are memes because people, yeah, they're woo-woo.
	Just people want to think there's more super hacks that they can do.
	And they come up with strange nonsense where, like, yeah, like, no.
	Cold plunges.
	They just don't.
	If you like a cold plunge, I guess go for it, but they don't do that much.
	Cold showers.
	No, he's disagreeing over here.
	Black Pill Blake at it again.
	Blake used to disagree with Charlie about all this stuff.
	Like supplements.
	Yeah.
	I told him the cold plunges were dumb, and then Charlie had to quit doing the cold plunges.
	And I told him.
	Charlie was so healthy.
	Charlie was literally the most healthy problem.
	Charlie had all this weird health problem.
	You know this is true.
	Charlie was always complaining about weird stuff.
	He got vertigo for like two weeks one time.
	Well, that's what we're talking about.
	He had like some back issue or whatever.
	Charlie had like endless weird mindsets.
	Because he worked harder than anybody else.
	Well, you know where he actually got the back problems.
	You know what he got the back problems from?
	I was actually with him in Los Angeles when his back like gave out.
	But what it was, he was running like 10 or 12 miles.
	This might have been before.
	He also slipped on black ice, guys.
	Well, so he was running like 10 to 12 miles a day.
	He was lucky?
	And then he was flying commercial across the country.
	He would have like four commercial flights a day every single day, like every single day.
	And then run, find a way to run 10 to 12 miles in a day.
	And it was just too much.
	And eventually his back just gave out.
	At like 27, his back was toast.
	Yeah.
	He was the most healthy person.
	I'm telling you right now.
	Period.
	It's almost 6'5.
	Yeah, we're the same height.
	I didn't know that.
	I don't think people understand.
	This is such a first world problem.
	But being 6'5 and having to fly, I did not fly four flights a day, but I probably fly like four or five flights, you know, every week, depending on what I'm doing.
	It is so taxing.
	And like, you can't complain to people that are not 6'5 because they just think like I'm just being a pain.
	But it's like when my legs are lodged into the seat in front of me, flying across the country, like it is miserable.
	And like you can't.
	So even today, flying here, I can't sit up straight because the cushion, like for your head, where it breaks, you can pull it up a little bit, but like it's on my shoulder blades.
	So you have to sit hunched.
	It's just like you got those Viking jeans, bro.
	So this is something that happens, by the way, Cliff.
	I know about this because producer Faz, people know he used to, he used to, you know, we don't talk about a ton, but he used to work with a lot of pro wrestlers.
	And a lot of those pro wrestlers end up with that like bow-legged sort of odd walk where they're doing that.
	And it's, it's, people assume it's because of the wrestling, but it's actually because of the flying is according to, wow, according to our producer, that it's because they're flying so much.
	Yeah, he's here in the chat and he's just saying that like, like when you, so you would see Hulk Hogan right before he died.
	Obviously a lot of heart issues there.
	But, you know, all the flying, all the driving.
	And you're exactly right.
	It's that cramped up.
	There's a photo of like Andre the Giant, I think, you know, flying and he's like taking up the whole row basically.
	And it's just, it's, yeah, when you're that big, cramped up for so long for so many hours, it does mess you up.
	Yeah.
	And back to Charlie.
	He was a million miler on every single airline.
	He was always in a car.
	He was always driving across the country.
	He was always, so you want to wonder why he had back problems?
	That's why.
	Wow.
	Did you know?
	So Foz is kind of like going off in the chat right now.
	Throw up this image, Studio.
	This is one of those cryo-freeze chambers.
	Cryotherapy.
	Those are great.
	So it burns three minutes of cryotherapy will burn 800 to 1,000 calories.
	That's right.
	Because of the energy your body expends trying to get you back to a normal temperature.
	So is that woo-woo, Blake?
	Yeah, it kind of sounds like woo-woo to me.
	I'm going to just talk about it.
	Blake's going to say anything's woo-woo.
	You can literally ask anything.
	So the thing that always strikes me about Charlie's health regimen, though, was all the hot sauce.
	Like that can't be too much hot sauce.
	Charlie loved sauces.
	He put sauces on everything.
	Yeah.
	He had like a sauce collection that he traveled with everywhere he went.
	And it was in a separate bag.
	And it was, I'm not even kidding, like 15 different sauces.
	And he knew the different combinations.
	He's like, with my chicken, I do two green, one red.
	And it was good, too.
	Charlie was like, wait, hold on, hold on.
	Okay, hold on.
	I'm now on the cryo bar cryotherapy.
	This is a blog post they made from 2020.
	Does cryotherapy burn calories?
	And they say the burning of calories is unfortunately one of the lightly researched benefits of cryotherapy.
	So they basically say, you know, it might happen, maybe.
	You guys big on hot sauce?
	Yeah, I. Color one.
	I love hot sauce.
	So I was like the most Irish.
	I had potatoes, like plain guy, no spices.
	And then I got COVID in Florida, which COVID didn't really happen in Florida, but I did get it.
	And I lost all of my, like, you know, I couldn't taste anything.
	And so the only thing I could get a reaction from, this is how you know I'm an eater, I'm a fat boy, was using hot sauce because the hot sauce would at least give you something where you could get, you know, something out of the food.
	I eat a lot of hot sauce.
	So apparently I'm low T because I like the thermostat at 72, but I'm high T because I can I can eat a lot of hot sauce.
	That's high team gang.
	I know.
	It's the Mexican.
	You know what's so funny?
	Like ever since like everything happened and like I have to be on TV more or whatever, it's like all these people are like, he looks Jewish.
	He looks super Jewish.
	And then the other ones are like, because of this show, they're always like, oh, he's quarter Mexican.
	So, you know.
	There it is.
	Blake is in the chat just saying, woo, woo.
	It's all everyone just, they all want, they all want to come up with these like weird, expensive medical hacks that they'll say, solve everything, do these like extreme benefits.
	It's the same thing they do with food where you're like, oh, I have to go to this special grocery store where all my food costs twice as much, and then it gives me like super health, and I'm going to live forever.
	Blake notes.
	You just have to do the basics.
	It's all the basics.
	I love this.
	Just do it.
	Blake, you'll eat a box of 12 Krispy Kremds.
	Yeah, and it's great.
	Yeah, hit your freaking protein thresholds, lift weights.
	Yeah, like, what's your bench, Mikey?
	What is it?
	Blake, get out of here.
	He's going after everybody.
	Blake's on the back of the bottom.
	Yeah, but who looks better?
	Oh, God.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	We're discussing testosterone levels, and you know what causes male pattern baldness.
	That's right.
	And only one of us has this blinding paint here.
	Only one of us has this.
	You do look good, Blake.
	Yeah.
	Well, Cliff, Cliff is coming in.
	Yeah, Cliff, all of us.
	Blake, you weren't on when Jack called me out on live television saying that I need to shave my head.
	Very nice friend of Jack.
	You should.
	You should.
	Increase your power.
	However, I also took Blake to a bar and we met that nice Mexican cop and he was telling Blake that he should go to Tijuana to get a hair transplant.
	Wait, where's the music?
	He did.
	Oh, man.
	I forgot about that guy.
	That was really funny.
	Blake, who do you have a hair transplant?
	Send Blake and Cliff down to TJ for the hair transplant.
	We film the whole thing.
	Guys, we're sitting on money here.
	That's a bunch of woo-woo.
	It probably is.
	It probably is.
	I refuse to believe.
	He took his hat off and he showed like his giant full head of hair.
	And he's like, he's like, yeah, I used to look like you till I went down to Tijuana.
	And there, now I look like this.
	Blake, you could benefit from that.
	Oddly enough, he looked exactly like Andrew.
	Everyone's trying to rag on me for various things that I like eat, that I'll eat anything and I don't do all their health woo-woo.
	And I just feel like I'm really healthy and I don't have all these like weird other problems that people complain about.
	My main problem is I somehow got like tennis elbow while I was in South Korea and I don't know how that one happened, but such as life.
	Because you're not eating enough.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Good things.
	Maybe someone in the chat is saying, I wonder what Charlie is thinking of your topic.
	I'm not even sure what our topic is right now.
	Women.
	Yeah, we were supposed to talk about, we were supposed to talk about women in the military, which they shouldn't be.
	Just kick them out of the military.
	Have them clip that up on their own.
	Have killed intakes or later.
	I feel like libertarian Cliff is.
	Can I ask you if you've ever done that?
	The libertarians don't want us to have a military at all.
	So it's funny.
	Charlie, I always used to tell people that Charlie would actually be one of the, I think I said this on Thought Crime a couple weeks ago, but Charlie, when you would go on, he actually would be tough at interviews, especially when I do his show and it was a one-on-one, you know, where he'd just be like, what's going on in PA?
	Like digging in on the numbers.
	I don't know when it was.
	It might have been election night.
	I mean, we were on for, what, eight hours?
	But he asked me at one point, he said, you know, how does a Ron Paul libertarian go from that to running a ballot chase effort for Donald Trump?
	And he got mad at my answer.
	So maybe I shouldn't say it in terms of he thought maybe we'd get demonetized or delisted, whatever it is.
	But I said, yeah, I'm still a hardcore libertarian.
	I have my own definition of what that is, small L.
	But things change when they start to chop the private parts off of our 12-year-old boys and girls and consider it normal.
	There became a breaking point where the things that, do I believe in free markets?
	Do I believe in free trade?
	Yes, but like you have to look at things in reality, not theory.
	This is where Jack will be proud of me for being okay with certain protections that Ayn Rand would not be.
	But I think a lot of the culture stuff just made it where it was like, we got to be in this fight.
	Like there's so many libertarians I know out there that want to sit on the sidelines.
	They want to complain.
	They want to say, hey, you know, that doesn't pass our purity test.
	Do you want to save the country or not?
	And so, yeah, I have a lot of beliefs that, you know, a lot of Republicans in Congress, you know, and a lot of this spending stuff.
	I got a lot of problems with it.
	But I think 2024 was like the country was on the brink.
	And I still feel that way.
	That's why I'm still doing a lot of America First candidates.
	And, you know, I would define myself as America First.
	That's probably the best label I would use.
	But I just think the people that sat out in 2024, it's like, you got to open your eyes.
	Like that was the battle.
	And we have the battle now, I feel like every single year moving forward.
	Did that suffice?
	Yeah, that will said.
	No, that's helpful.
	Although it doesn't answer the question about women in the military.
	Well, let's play clip 282 and it'll kick us off.
	282.
	No more social justice, no more political correctness, no more toxic ideological garbage that infected the department.
	No more identity months, no more DEI offices, no more dudes in dresses.
	No more climate change worship, no more division, no more delusions, gender delusions or quotas, no more distraction.
	As the chairman of the Joint Chiefs puts it, Pete, you're clearing out the debris.
	And then CNN reacting.
	283.
	What Pete Hegseth has done, he has pushed women almost completely out of the top ranks of the military.
	He has.
	Point blank.
	Women are 18% of the U.S. military right now.
	There are now no members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who are women.
	Despite the fact that women are the majority of the population and 18% of the U.S. military, there are zero women on the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	In fact, every member of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff right now is a white male.
	White men are 29% of the population.
	Is it possible that white men are the only people in the world, in this country, who are qualified to be on the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
	That's the assumption, I guess, that Pete Hegseth wants us to believe.
	Hmm.
	Damn, you can sound awesome.
	Jack, you first.
	For the record, that's not what Pete said at all.
	It's just not what he said.
	That's a really good point.
	When he says gender delusions, he's talking about transgenderism.
	He's not talking about getting rid of women.
	And that's just accurate, right?
	That's just accurate to what he's saying.
	So, you know, you have to set the frame here.
	And the frame is that they're just lying about what Secretary Hegset said.
	He's talking about getting rid of the political nonsense in the military, pitting genders against each other, gender quotas, just all of this nonsense.
	And so it's the idea here, right?
	The idea here is, you know, make it so.
	Now, that being said, that being said, I would say it's simple as this.
	Why do we have male female standards for combat, for combat MOSs, for combat jobs, for combat duties?
	Why do we have male-female standards for different, you know, in those critical capacities?
	Why do we have those?
	If you are going to be in a, you know, in the infantry, if you're going to be in special forces, if you're going to be in EOD, any of these capacities, right?
	Any of these serious combat capacities, combat units, you've got to have the same standards.
	It's as simple as that.
	Because guess what, right?
	If you got to pull your buddy out from under fire and you can't lift a 200-pound man with, you know, who's loaded with another 100 pounds of gear, then guess what?
	You're a liability.
	You're a liability to your unit.
	You're a liability to the fight.
	You're a liability to the mission.
	You're a liability to the country.
	And that's something that, by the way, doesn't just cover gender.
	That's something that would cover people with various health conditions, people, but all sorts of, there's all sorts of reasons that people are denied for certain jobs and certain positions or even entry into the United States military.
	You know, a lot of people know, I think if you had like childhood asthma and you tell the recruiters that you pretty much can't get into the military.
	So, I mean, there's lots of reasons that we preclude people from the military or certain positions within the military.
	And I think at the end of the day, what it comes down to is we need to make this, or we just need to go back to what is the most important point of the military.
	Is it getting the mission done or is it social engineering?
	Simple as that.
	Oh, hold on.
	We have a donation from Big Man S17.
	I want to read it.
	He gave us $5.
	It says, hot take.
	We protect women.
	Women don't protect us.
	And I'm going to use that to go from there.
	I like, in general, Jack, I would agree.
	It would be an improvement to just say you need to hit a certain minimum standard, whether you are male or female, even if that means it's going to be 95% men, 99% men, 100% men.
	But I might go further and I might say I do think there's actually probably something wrong with having women in the military generally outside of like truly auxiliary roles, kind of like how we did it in World War II.
	Like you had wax, you had certain sort of supplementary roles that you just had lots of women work in.
	But I do think there's actually something, I think you do lose something once you have women in the infantry, women in the armor, women in like direct immediate combat situations, even if they can pass a certain physical qualification.
	I just think there's actually a historical reason these roles in every advanced society, every advanced civilization were basically, for all intents and purposes, 100% male.
	And I think 100% male institutions and like groups have like they have certain they have a certain dynamic to them that you lose once you're introducing women to them.
	And I think we've seen the side effects of that in our own military.
	Once you add women into a group, like you're introducing a certain competitiveness element for the men that's not there otherwise.
	You're just changing what kind of you're changing what the team is doing, the way the team works.
	And I kind of think it's impossible for us to divorce the way the U.S. military has clearly become less effective as a war-winning organization from the fact that we treat it as like a egalitarian gender organization, even if we set the same standards for the sexes.
	But I also have never been in the military, so I'm probably over my skis a bit.
	But I know who is that Virginia senator, the Democrat, is it Jim Webb?
	I think Jim Webb has actually commented on that.
	He also said he supported hazing in the military for that reason.
	He said, once he got rid of hazing, it actually wasn't about the military.
	He was a Marine.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to try to find it.
	I'm going to try to find it while one of you weighs in.
	Let me comment.
	I think Jack thinks I'm going to be anti-military.
	I believe in a strong military power.
	I agree with Jack, merit-based, 100%.
	Why do we have different standards?
	It's stupid.
	This isn't about Title IX and sports.
	This isn't something where we're trying to carve out something to make it fair for women.
	We're trying to protect the Republic.
	We're trying to save America.
	If you think the biggest fear is China, which I would say if we look at other superpowers, you know, who has the potential to really take out America, it's China.
	Guess what percentage of Chinese military are women?
	4.5%.
	What do we say?
	What is the clip?
	18% here in the U.S.?
	Four and a half in China.
	Yeah.
	Think about that.
	Merit-based is 100% the right answer.
	And I agree.
	Pete didn't say that.
	He's talking about like the transgenders and these people that have mental delusions about what sex or gender they are.
	They should not be in the military, 100% full stop.
	But this is about winning the war.
	And if it's merit-based and if it's about skill sets, you don't break that down by gender.
	You break that down by skills.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And look, Pete Hegseth, he's amazing.
	But also, I had an opportunity to talk with him at the White House a couple of weeks ago.
	And I just told him, I was like, it's a top-down thing.
	When there's a man in a position like that, that's talking like that, it inspires all of the under, you know, like my brother's in the military.
	He had to see under the Biden administration, there was a gay pride flag on the ship that he was on.
	And then on top of that, they had there was a transvestite that was on his ship with him.
	And so I told these stories to Pete and he was like, look, when I came in, I saw that they were spending hundreds of millions of dollars on recruiting for the military.
	And when I saw where they were spending this money, they were spending it on the view and these crazy, crazy leftist television shows and programs.
	It's like, what do you think that produces?
	What do you think that produces?
	And he's like, I shut that down immediately.
	It produces transvestites that are on ships.
	This is not if China's not doing it, why are we doing it?
	But it's bigger than just women in the military.
	Like there are legit gender.
	Yeah, deluded transvestites.
	Delulu.
	Delulus.
	Yeah.
	And then on top of that, too, I mean, back to the H-1B thing.
	And we talked about this on the show.
	Americans are resilient.
	Like, we figure it out.
	And to women in the military, during World War II, women were making tanks and bullets.
	And maybe that's a role for women in the military.
	I just, I don't know.
	I'm with, I agree with everything you just said.
	I'm glad.
	I'm glad I support Pete Hegseth.
	Jack, you're totally right.
	What's getting lost in this argument is that's not at all what Pete Hegset said.
	So first of all, it's much ado about nothing.
	It's a fake conspiracy, fake hoax.
	Secondly, Blake is right.
	Male-only fraternities are really powerful.
	There's something culturally that happens.
	This is what they did to the Boy Scouts.
	They ruined that.
	If you're around all boys and you're trying to learn how to climb the rope, guess what?
	You're going to fail, fail, fail, fail, fail until you get that right.
	Women come in, the Boy Scouts, you don't want to fail because you don't want to embarrass yourself in front of the girls.
	There's just a lot of things like that happen.
	Now, are there roles for women in the military that make a lot of sense?
	Yeah, I think you could look at the military, the different jobs, the different functions and roles and find a bunch of good jobs for them.
	Okay.
	When it comes to combat troops, when it comes to special ops, special forces, I mean, these are going to be predominantly male anyways, even if you had just a merit-based system.
	But I think there's something about the male fraternity order that just, from a cultural standpoint, just is absolutely, without a doubt, a thousand percent better if it's all men.
	And I think it's such a lazy argument they made on CNN that was like all of Trump's cabinet, or you know, he was saying the top military leaders are all white men.
	Who cares what race they are?
	Who cares what gender they are?
	Like, I just love that they imagine these quotas and then they compare it to the rest of the United States.
	We are trying to win wars.
	We're trying to promote peace.
	We're trying to have a strong military.
	But it's just, it's almost sad to me that in 2025, they can still go back to those random talking points of, you see, you know, these blocking people, or he's trying to get every woman out.
	How about we just hire the best people?
	Well, I mean, the quota system, you know, good for you.
	So, okay, but then we might have to, we have to throw it up, Angelo.
	Throw up what we're going to have to do if we've sent our best people.
	Are we going to send Emma and Daisy back to war?
	We discussed this.
	I love that.
	Almost two years ago, I think.
	The draft, the draft our daughters episode, where we were like, well, you know, if we're going to add women to the selective service, we may just have to send our women out.
	And Daisy would fit in even more now because she's pregnant.
	She could wear that pregnant flight suit that they made for the Air Force.
	But I did find it.
	I found the Jim Webb article, which is from 1979, and it's awesome.
	It's titled, Women Can't Fight.
	That's the name of it.
	And I just want to read a little bit of it because it's really evocative.
	He just opened it.
	Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Jim Webb fought.
	Women definitely argue, though.
	They can fight.
	They can argue.
	They can definitely argue, but can they fight?
	And so this is Jim Webb.
	Jim Webb fought in Vietnam, for those who don't know him.
	He goes, We would go months without bathing, except when we could stand naked among each other next to a village well or in a stream or in the muddy water of a bomb crater.
	It was nothing to begin walking at midnight, laden with packs and weapons and ammunition and supplies, 70 pounds or more of gear, and still be walking when the sun broke over mud-slick paddies that had sucked our boots out all night.
	We carried our own gear, and when we took casualties, we carried the weapons of the ones who had been fit.
	Hit.
	When we stopped moving, we started digging, furiously throwing out the heavy soil until we made chest-deep fighting holes.
	When we needed to make a call of nature, we squatted off a trail or we straddled a slit trench that had been dug between fighting holes, always by necessity, always in public view.
	We swept in makeshift hooches made out of ponchos or simply wrapped up in a poncho, sometimes so exhausted that we did not feel the rain fall on our own faces.
	We caught hookworm, dysentery, malaria, or yaws, and some of us had all of them.
	And he, it actually gets like more visceral from here.
	I don't want to read it forever.
	It's a quite long piece, but he's just saying, like, this is a purely, like, it is a very, very male environment.
	And I'm going to skip ahead here and then I'll let you guys react.
	And what he says is, he says, let me get it here.
	Men fight better without women around.
	Men treat women differently than they do men, and vice versa.
	Some of this is induced by society.
	Some of this is innate because of the desire to pair off and have sexual relations.
	These tendencies can be controlled in an eight-hour workday.
	They cannot be suppressed in a 24-hour, seven days-a-week combat situation.
	Introducing women into combat units would confuse an already confusing environment, and it would lessen the aggressive tendencies of the units, as many aggressions would be directed inward towards sex Rather than outward toward violence.
	A close look at what has already happened at the Naval Academy during the three years women have attended that institution are testimony to this.
	It's an amazing piece.
	It goes on quite long.
	It looks like it's almost like 10,000 words long, but it's interesting.
	I just think we've gotten so used to it.
	We've gotten so used to the rhetoric of, yeah, we should just have an equal standard, but men and women are different that we're almost unable to conceptualize what used to be obvious, which is just men and women are so different, and men are so much more suited for military stuff, and men are so different from women that they operate differently with no women around, that we sort of removed our ability to conceptualize what used to be obvious, which is just the military should be an all-male institution for the most part.
	Based.
	Blake, here's the.
	So, Blake, let's get to the real thought crime now, because I think we've hit this one out.
	We've talked about women in the military, but what about female police officers?
	Ooh.
	You know, like, kind of the same thing, I think.
	Like, there's a lot of jobs in the police force that are effectively paperwork-based.
	But yeah, similar thing.
	I think it's probably a problem.
	It's a problem when you have cops who can't.
	Yeah, yeah, dispatches all that.
	But the average beat cop, a beat cop should basically be able to beat up maybe like at least at the 85th percentile of the people they're going to encounter.
	And you get real problems when you have officers out there who are encountering violent, psychotic, dangerous people.
	And they basically have no way they, you know, if they're at the 10th percentile of physical ability or the fifth percentile or less compared to men.
	And let's be real, the vast majority of people that they're dealing with are men, and they have nothing to deal with them except tasers or their gun.
	And I don't have the data in front of me, but I believe female officers are more likely to end up shooting the people they're trying to corral because they have to.
	And if you have a normal tall cop who's strong, you know, they can just tackle them.
	They can just use the baton.
	They can beat them down in other ways.
	They don't need to shoot them.
	But we have this fantasy probably encouraged by television where you have kung fu women cops who can weigh 115 pounds and take down that is a fantasy.
	That is not reality.
	That is a fake world.
	And it's the same thing that makes people when they have juries where someone does a shooting that's fatal and the jury's like, why didn't they shoot them in the leg?
	Because that's not real life.
	In real life, you can't just micro aim at specific body parts to disable someone.
	And in real life, a 115-pound woman cop is not taking down a six-foot-two crazy guy on PCP ever.
	I have a very simple answer.
	A woman that is not able to physically arrest somebody or pass the standard, like Blake said, should not be a cop.
	Just like a fat guy, a man who's overweight and is not able to patrol or to catch somebody should also not be a cop.
	It's just having a standard.
	They love the donuts.
	They love them.
	Like Blake.
	Well, Blake is a fat cop.
	Blake loves the doughnuts.
	He loves the donuts.
	I don't need as many donuts as I want if I'm not a Tubster.
	We actually may have some breaking news.
	I'm going to see if they can pull this tweet up.
	I just threw it in there because it involves us.
	But Just as we were going live, or during the show, FBI San Francisco just posted a tweet saying the FBI is seeking the public's help in obtaining any video or images of acts of violence that may have occurred during the November 10th, 2025 Turning Point USA event in Berkeley, California.
	Video or images can be submitted online, fbi.gov/slash Berkeley TPUSA.
	And if you click it, they've created a TIP website specifically for this event.
	So this is incredible.
	The FBI, I mean, I just want to step back here for a second.
	And as horrific and insane as the violence was, the FBI has gone from investigating conservatives like a year ago today with Arctic Frost and Turning Point and Charlie were definitely targets of that to now actually investigating people who are attacking Turning Point members on camera.
	Just what a sea change.
	And by the way, please, if anyone, you know, if anyone can identify, there's a website, fbi.gov slash Berkeley TPUSA.
	This is huge.
	Andrew, this is huge.
	Yeah, no, and I already retweeted the FBI one, and Harmeet Dillon, Assistant Attorney General, said, were you at or around the TPUSA Berkeley event Monday, November 10th?
	And she says the FBI San Francisco is seeking digital evidence to support the federal investigation.
	FBI seeking information on acts of violence at the Turning Point USA event.
	And she linked to that same thing.
	So I actually, during our show, I'd gotten that sent to us.
	I was going to bring it up, but yeah, this is a sea change because I think, you know, kind of on a little bit of a different wavelength, Jack, and I think you'd appreciate this.
	There's been a lot of consternation.
	We talked about the H-1B, the 600,000 Chinese visa holders, student visa holders.
	And there's been this disconnect, it feels, with the administration.
	And what you're seeing is you saw a clip today from JD Vance saying that we're going to be surging housing supply and we're going to be deport mass deportations are going to reduce the overall demand side on housing in the United States.
	So you've got them messaging now on housing and doing this Gen Z economic revival plan to get people to buy into the economy.
	And then simultaneously, there was a lot of pushback after the UC Berkeley event.
	You saw some of our friends like Cernovich basically poking the admin right in the eye saying like, hey, are you guys going to step up?
	Is this all talk?
	And, you know, I think the base was saying like, we want action.
	And here you got the administration coming through and doing active, taking action to defend our students and to stand up against Antifa.
	And then Marco Rubio's been messaging on it.
	So there's good things happening.
	That's all I'm saying.
	The administration is showing the ability and the flexibility to listen to the base.
	Very good.
	So what do you guys think about Christmas lights?
	Yeah.
	Jack.
	Christmas lights, Christmas lights before December are unacceptable.
	What?
	Christmas lights before Advent.
	Advent can sometimes start.
	No.
	Yes, it can.
	Okay.
	So I will say that Andrews.
	Like, for example, this year, Advent is, I think, November 27th.
	So Foz and I were talking about how there's just way more people.
	There's way more people this year putting up Christmas lights on OGA.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Here we go.
	That's on November 3rd.
	November 3rd.
	Get some spirit in here.
	Yeah.
	Here comes Pregnant Daisy.
	Well done.
	No, no, this is.
	No, this is good.
	This is good.
	No, this is completely and utterly wrong.
	No, this is great.
	Plug it in.
	Reject.
	Completely reject.
	You guys, you are erasing.
	You are erasing Thanksgiving.
	Yeah, what are you doing?
	Oh, the least.
	I need Thanksgiving.
	This is great.
	I have a confession, though.
	I set up for Christmas November 1st.
	Oh, wow.
	No, this is unacceptable.
	That's disease.
	That's depraved.
	Well, that's what I'm talking about.
	Everybody needs a little joy in their life.
	No, it's great.
	99.99 in Phoenix, Arizona.
	It's already playing Christmas music.
	Look, everybody needs a little joy in their life, especially at times like this.
	There's been a lot of chaos for us.
	You mean like joy in your life?
	Why are you taking Christmas?
	I will not apologize.
	This year we've seen a lot more people set up in October.
	Or after that.
	It's literally a marketing strategy.
	It's just marketing for people to buy more stuff earlier, to buy presents earlier, which, of course, the libertarian probably loves.
	The baby capitalist.
	I wonder if this is as hot of a topic as Halloween.
	We should ask people to email Freedom at Charlie Kirk.
	When do you set up for Christmas?
	I mean, to me, the standard is after Thanksgiving.
	Christmas was never a pagan holiday.
	It was always after Thanksgiving.
	It is not based on Saturnalia.
	Thanksgiving's over and then setting up for Christmas.
	Listen, I'm an American and we have an American culture and the American culture said after Thanksgiving, you set up your Christmas lights and you can do all that stuff.
	I'm with Andrew.
	Christmas is after Thanksgiving.
	Also, Advent is the start of the Christmas season.
	In our house, we keep the tree up from the first Sunday of Advent through Epiphany, basically.
	Which is usually like early January, correct?
	January 6th.
	Jay 6th.
	Is Epiphany fixed or is it shift year by year?
	It's neutered.
	Pretty sure it's always Jan 6th.
	Okay.
	Point is, we now have this abomination in our studio.
	Fantastic.
	It's 12 days after Christmas.
	So it's always January 6th.
	This comment said, Christmas is up November 1st.
	I'm with Mikey.
	Yeah, do you just hate America?
	I mean, America.
	I actually think Mikey's on to something.
	I think a lot of people have been just like really rocked by this year with what happened to Charlie, with just all the people just want something that they like, and so they're throwing up the Christmas lights early.
	Let's get some joy.
	No, no, no.
	I'm not saying that Christmas is bad.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But I am saying that like we shouldn't just give away Thanksgiving.
	I know.
	Why are we doing that?
	Why would you just throw away one of America's greatest holidays?
	People like Christmas.
	I love Thanksgiving.
	I love Thanksgiving and I will listen to Christmas jazz in the background as I say.
	Actually, I think I know what the problem is here.
	I think I know what the problem is here, is that you guys live in a desert where people are not supposed to live.
	And so you don't have seasons, which are where normal, which what normal people have.
	So if you live in a place where there's seasons, it doesn't make sense to have Christmas stuff up when the leaves are changing colors.
	I agree with this 100%.
	That has a bunch of woo-woo, as Blake says.
	So Thanksgiving is associated with the fall because it's the harvest.
	And then Christmas is associated with winter, which is another thing that we have in normal parts of the world.
	And that's when it's cold and there are no leaves on the tree.
	So it wouldn't make any sense for Christmas to be up at that time.
	But since you guys live in an artificially created space like the Sun Valley, where humanity was never supposed to live, God did not intend people to live there.
	He first flooded it with an ocean.
	He then put dinosaurs there.
	He then turned it into a desert.
	Like he's begging you, do not live in this place.
	And you guys just don't want to listen.
	Well, let me know.
	Holidays, which are based around God's nature, don't make any sense when you apply them to a place like that.
	This person said Thanksgiving is okay, but Christmas is king.
	Team Mikey.
	Way to hate America.
	Way to just hate America.
	Now, let me actually backjack up on this.
	I think there's some nostalgia, especially growing up in Pennsylvania.
	Like, it's cold for Christmas, right?
	There is the winter.
	There is that nostalgia of like, and I hadn't thought about that since it's not cold right now.
	It's so hot here.
	No, like Pennsylvania.
	No, I mean, it's turning, but the definition for Christmas is cold.
	There's a lot of places that have Christmas in the U.S. right now.
	Yeah, but I think that's what Jack's saying I agree with is that it kind of connects in a weird way that's like, I don't know, like when I get off the plane here, how hot is it here right now?
	He's on fire!
	Yeah, exactly.
	I just think there's something about that.
	We are agreeing, though, that the normal timeline across the country after Thanksgiving.
	It gets very cold here.
	At nighttime, it reaches like traditional.
	That is the traditional timeline.
	After Thanksgiving, you set up for Christmas.
	You're just admitting that you're not agreeing.
	No, actually, I disagree.
	In fact, since I was like 17, my tradition in life has always been October 31st at midnight.
	I play All I Want for Christmas.
	And I continue the tradition to this day.
	Please stop playing that song.
	This is also American just from a secular perspective because of Black Friday.
	So Black Friday is Black Friday because it is traditionally seen as the first day of the Christmas shopping season.
	That's why Black Friday exists.
	You guys have a lot of talk.
	So like, Mikey Nomics are an affront to reality, and Mikey Nomics are something that we should completely upturn.
	I'd be the great peacemaker here.
	Our heart, body, and soul, because pretty much everything from Mikey, we should oppose.
	And Black Friday exists, again, because it's the first day of the Christmas shopping season.
	Yeah, but here's the difference.
	Mikey, I think what Mikey is saying is that you can still celebrate Thanksgiving while you're setting up, while you're celebrating Christmas.
	And Jack, you're saying that, no, if you start setting up for Christmas, you're pretty much blunting out Thanksgiving and not giving it its full time.
	It's Thanksgiving eraser.
	It's totally Thanksgiving erasure.
	Great pacification.
	I will go to Starbucks tomorrow and enjoy a peppermint mocha and red food diet.
	No, it's still pumpkin spice.
	I'm going to argue with this back.
	I'm taking this back the other way.
	Christmas is so great.
	It is pumpkin spice season.
	If Christmas is so great, why don't you just have the Christmas decorations up all year?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Fun story, though, because so on New Year's Eve last year, Charlie and I flew straight to Florida for the transition team stuff and then straight to DC.
	So I didn't even, I wasn't able to take down my Christmas decorations outside.
	And I didn't come back from the East Coast.
	So I basically was on the East Coast of Charlie for a month and a half, almost two months.
	So I didn't take down my Christmas lights until late February this year.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Yeah, it is shameful.
	So you set up.
	No, that's not shameful.
	That's not shameful because Candlemas is February 2nd.
	No, give me the full timeline of you having the presentation on February 2nd.
	Keep it up until about February 2nd, the Feast of the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple.
	See, Jack's got my back.
	Thank you, Jack.
	I'm okay with you having it up for a longer time.
	No, no, Jack, you got to hear it.
	He's got to answer this, Jack.
	He's got to answer this.
	We had my back.
	What was your full timeline, Mikey, of Christmas time?
	About November 10th through February.
	Got him.
	Wait, so this is basically.
	Wait, hold on, Mikey.
	I just realized something.
	Wait, wait, guys.
	Mikey's been cuffing.
	That's what he's doing.
	This is cuffing season that he's talking about.
	I'm married.
	Do you guys not know about cuffing season?
	Are you serious?
	Oh, gosh.
	October through March.
	No.
	Look at that.
	Yes, I do know cuffing season 6'7.
	No, cuffing season 6'7.
	Wait, Mike, you know cuffing season.
	Yes, of course.
	Yeah, these guys, these boomers don't know it again.
	Cuffing season is like, is because during the winter, like during the winter holidays, mistletoe, baby.
	People hook up and start like a relationship just so that they can have a date for all these various holidays so they can sit together in the cold and stream stuff together, stream movies or whatever, TV series is.
	And it's basically like, yeah, it's like October through Valentine's Day, give or take.
	And then, so it means you're handcuffed together.
	That's the whole point.
	You're handcuffed together through all the holidays during this time.
	And then the guys who don't know that they were just being cuffed, they realize that after Valentine's Day, they get cut loose and they have no idea.
	This reminds me of Baby It's Cold Outside, the Christmas song.
	So watch out, boys and girls.
	Watch out, young people.
	I really can't stay baby it's cold outside.
	Here's a question.
	My mother will worry.
	Thanksgiving.
	Do you guys have Thanksgiving parades where you're from?
	Yeah.
	Was Santa in the Thanksgiving parade?
	That was Thanksgiving.
	The day of Thanksgiving.
	So you can play Philly's music on Thanksgiving.
	You can watch Christmas movies on Thanksgiving because it's like you're ushering in the season.
	No, you should watch Thanksgiving movies on Thanksgiving.
	To Mikey, it's a quarter of the year.
	I mean, listen, the reason you don't win up.
	Hold on, Blake.
	I got to answer.
	I want to flag this.
	Go ahead.
	Well, I was just going to say, we got another donation from Big Man S17.
	He says, guys, y'all don't even know how much joy this show brings to my night.
	I am working almost every day until 1 a.m.
	It makes my week.
	All I can say is thank you.
	My name is Cade, but I can't change my name, he says.
	Thank you.
	I like it.
	Cade, you're a patriot.
	We appreciate you.
	So here's why you don't keep Christmas decorations up all year, even if you're going to be a weirdo like Mikey and do it like after Halloween.
	Here's why.
	Because variety is the spice of life.
	It's special because it's a limited time offering only.
	Yes.
	So to Jack's point, I like to limit that when you make yourself wait even longer, it gets even more special, I think.
	You condense the specialness into a more higher octane of Christmas specialness.
	That's fine.
	That's fine, Mikey, if you disagree.
	I disagree.
	Do you have Christmas decorations up right now in your house?
	Yes.
	Yeah, but that's from last year.
	That's great.
	But yeah, it's great.
	And lights are outside, too.
	Oh, I forgot about that.
	Baby, it's cold outside.
	Went through all that criticism.
	The rape undertones.
	The rape undertones.
	There's a stand-up comedian.
	There's a stand-up comedian that does his bit where he talks about how that song got all this fire for the undertones.
	And then it was, I can't say this on air, W-A-P, WAP, that song.
	And he read the lyrics to WAP and then read the lyrics to that and saying, like, it's hilarious that we allow wet to whatever.
	Should we do that right now?
	I don't think so.
	We should rap before Mikey pulls up the lyrics.
	Jack, you want to take us home?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're dealing with something wet and bring a bucket and a mop.
	Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet and no give me not, baby, it's wet on the floor.
	It's disgusting.
	Oh, see, Mac truck.
	The Mac truck reference.
	And actually, maybe, maybe WAP is a Thanksgiving song because it does have the word gobble in it.
	All right.
	Well, that's good.
	This would be right about the time where Charlie would be like, why would you tweet that?
	Christmas movie.
	Charlie would be a Thanksgiving movie.
	You should tweet that, Jack.
	Why not?
	It's a gift.
	I'll give.
	I'll tweet it right now.
	You think I'm scared?
	I'll tweet it right now.
	I mean, WAP should be a Thanksgiving song since gobble gobble.
	Hashtag it.
	Word.
	No, just one gobble.
	There's only one gobble.
	Oh, this is.
	Oh.
	This is why lyrics imply coercion or pressure to stay, especially the line, say, what's in this drink?
	I forgot that line in it.
	I mean, bring a bucket.
	It was 1940s.
	There wasn't roofies in the 1940s, was there?
	Anyways.
	All right.
	Jack.
	No, it's just a guy.
	He's wooing her.
	He's wooing her.
	Yes.
	He's wooing her WAP.
	He's just wooing her WAP.
	Oh, gosh.
	See, now.
	He's just wooing her WAP.
	All right.
	Just wooing her WAP.
	That's all it is.
	All right.
	We're going to go.
	It is Thursday.
	Sanya right now.
	In our new time.
	I'm going to take us home because somebody's.
	Yes, please.
	We're counting on you.
	Remember, keep committing thought crime.
	I believe the Christmas tree.

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