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The Anchorage Accords - Chapter 2

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Well, just hours from now, the President of Ukraine has a pivotal meeting with President Trump in Washington.
And just a few hours ago, we got a look at what exactly President Donald Trump may be proposing to end this conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
So the president posting on truth social early this morning that Ukraine should give up Crimea and agree to never join NATO to end the war.
This comes after Friday's high stakes summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska.
Sources tell ABC News that Putin is demanding Ukraine give up more land in exchange for stopping further attacks.
Zelensky, who was not included in the Friday summit, says Ukraine will not agree to give up any more territory.
The British Prime Minister, French President and German Chancellor are all among the European and NATO leaders joining Ukraine's President as he meets with President Trump.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
We are here live at the White House today for a historic meeting, chapter two of the Anchorage Accords.
Now, Friday, as everyone knows, I was here on the ground as well.
Starting out at the White House, traveling with President Trump alongside his delegation and the American delegation to meet the Russians up in Anchorage.
We arrived here at the White House about 4:45 in the morning, zero dark 30, then traveled to the White House, excuse me, traveled to Joint Base Andrews over in a motorcade with President Trump, No Marine One that morning, flew Air Force One to Anchorage, met with the Russians, flew back, returned about 0:30 hours, posted one video on the way out of that.
And so, folks, an incredible day in Anchorage.
Special thanks, by the way, to the White House team for including Human Events Daily in that coverage and, of course, as well as having us here today on Monday for this truly historic series of accords.
Now, for the Anchorage Accords to be successful, it's going to require a number of compromises, as all negotiations do.
President Trump said this a few times over the weekend.
There is no side in any negotiation that is ever going to get 100% of their requirements.
And what does this mean?
We're talking security guarantees, things that the Russians have been asking for in terms of their wariness and skepticism towards NATO as well as human rights.
As Ukraine then asking, will we have security degrees?
Because, of course, it was Russia that invaded Ukraine in the first place.
A lot of the escalation being pointed at by President Trump and President Putin on Joe Biden.
Really, the breakdown in communications that occurred during the Biden regime as well as the Russian build up is something that President Trump and President Putin are now in agreement on.
That that is what led to, in fact, the outbreak of the Ukraine war.
Something that we've been talking about for years here on the program.
But, of course, when it comes down to it, folks, this is really all about President Trump, President Zelensky.
You've got the chaperones, as Steve Bannon was calling them, or perhaps the minders here of the European leaders, the President of France, the Prime Minister of Italy, Ursula von der Leyen of the European Commission, President Zelensky, as well as the Prime Minister of the UK, all here visiting the White House, and there will be a press conference.
So just on a programming note, my goal is to be out here as long as I can with you on Human Events Daily.
We are outside the White House, but then at some point I will be ushered in for that press conference.
We're going to hand it over, and then I'll be coming up live.
That will probably take place after the show.
But of course, we remember that this is a do-over for President Zelenskyy in a sense after his first Oval Office meeting, which did not go so well.
So we're going to put the Real America's voice camera.
We're going to park it right here outside the West Wing.
And that's the West Wing just over my shoulder there, where they're meeting in the Oval Office.
Just in case there's any early exits the way there were last time, we're going to make sure that we're able to capture that and figure out what's going on.
Now behind closed doors, the meeting is going on between President Trump and President Zelenskyy.
This is something that I certainly remember having traveled to Kiev.
The last time I saw President Zelensky was there with Secretary Besant and they were talking about this economic mineral deal between the United States and Ukraine.
That deal was not agreed to by Zelensky on that trip and certainly also not agreed to in the last Oval Office visit that we had between the two presidents.
Zelensky, of course, wore a suit today and was able to talk to Brian Glenn about that just a few moments ago.
President Trump also mentioning that Vladimir Putin is waiting for his phone call on the other end of this meeting here at the White House.
They're meeting in the Oval Office just steps away from where I'm standing here today on the North Lawn.
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President Zelensky, you look fabulous in that suit.
I said the one that attacked you last time.
I remember that.
I apologize to you.
You look wonderful.
No, my first question for you, President Zelensky.
In the same suit.
I changed you.
Maybe yours is much better.
I was just telling the president, I just spoke to President Putin indirectly, and we're going to have a phone call right after these meetings today.
And we may or may not have a trilat.
If we don't have a trilat, then the fighting continues.
And if we do, we have a good chance.
I think if we have a trilat, there's a good chance it may being it but he's expecting my call when we're finished with this meeting.
Thank you very much.
President Zelensky, are you prepared to keep sending Ukrainian troops to their deaths for another couple years or are you going to agree to redraw the maps?
Thank you for your question.
So, first of all, you know, we live under eachday attacks, you know, that today have been a lot of attacks and a lot of wounded people and the child was dead.
It's a small town, one year and a half.
So we need to stop this war, to stop Russia.
and we need support, American and European politics.
All right, folks, this is Jack Posobik.
We are back live here, Washington, DC, on the north lawn of the White House.
Just a few steps away from where you can look just behind me there, in the Oval Office, the west wing of the White House, President Trump and President Zelenskyy are now holding Chapter two, Part two, the Anchorage Accords, now being conducted.
On Friday, we were accompanied with President Trump.
We are embedded with his delegation up to Anchorage to meet with the Russian side, Vladimir Putin.
Now we are here at the White House to explain what's going on with President Zelenskyy and President Trump.
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Now, folks, getting back to it as we're here, remember, it wasn't that long ago, just a year ago, when President Trump was in power.
Where President Biden was talking about how the United States would be escalating the war in Ukraine, talking about escalation in terms of missiles, long range strikes, sabotage attacks deep in the Russian backfield, the Kursk incursion going across the line into Russia proper,
pushing the Ukrainians to do that back in 2023, that summer two years ago, the incredibly failed summer counteroffensive where Ukrainian troops were smashed against Russians in places like Mariupol and Melitopol.
This was the issue that President Trump came into when he came into office.
President Trump didn't start this war.
President Trump was a private citizen when all this was taking place.
And now looking, there's numerous White House officials.
They're coming by as we go.
And folks, President Trump has always been against war.
He's always pointed out that it never should have happened.
And in fact, President Putin said this to him when he was meeting at that meeting in Anchorage that it wouldn't have happened had he been in office.
Because they would have found a way to have that one-on-one deal, that one-on-one conversation between President Trump, President Putin, and then, of course, President Trump also being able to go and have that sit down with Zelenskyy.
And in fact, he's always been sitting with Zelelenskyy all the way to the fact that even one of his phone calls with President Zelenskyy became the basis for an impeachment back in 2019.
It's very clear here, folks, that Ukraine represents to a number of the Atlanticist interests, the globalist interests, something far more than just the people on the ground or even the leaders in Kiev.
It represents what they have been working on for over a decade, a project, Project Ukraine.
And that project, unfortunately, has been to pit them against the Russian Federation.
and to escalate this to the point where they could foment a war.
The globalists, the Atlanticists, will tell you that if they are able to achieve this, that it will force regime change in Russia and it will force President Putin out of office.
However, that has not happened at all.
In fact, far from it, we're seeing the Russian army, the Russian military, is now on the advance.
They are the ones who are currently on the march.
They are encircling Ukrainian troops in the Donbass as we speak.
They are creating these operational cauldrons and they are cutting off the supply lines.
As we said, and Human Defense said, you can go back, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, when we've had him on, other analysts we've had on all these things have been taking place, keyed up on when?
The end of July, beginning of August.
We told you that this would be the time that it all came to the forefront.
Why?
Because what we're now starting to see is a rolling collapse of the Ukrainian military on the battlefield.
And that rolling collapse means that the Russians are now poised to break out, not just beyond Donbass, but even all the way up to where the Dneper River.
And the Dneper River really bifurcates Ukraine north-south going from all the way in the north from Kiev all the way down south to the Black Sea.
And that's what this has all been about, that Black Sea.
There are people, by the way, in Russia that don't want this deal.
They're saying, why sit down with the Americans at all?
There are hardliners to the right of Putin who say, we want the whole thing, or at least the whole coastline, take all the way up to Odessa and leave behind a failed rump state of Ukraine.
That's what the Russian right is saying.
On the Ukrainian side, they're saying, no deal.
Don't negotiate with a country that invaded us.
Don't negotiate with a country that's come in and started this killing, that started this shooting, that started this aggression.
They are the aggressor.
Why would we negotiate with them?
So it's President Trump who's now coming in here.
and he's diving this up.
Now, I've heard from a lot of people, people saying, look, we don't want to see American boots on the ground in Ukraine.
Everyone I've talked to in the administration, that is the furthest thing from anything of what they're saying.
Now, these questions, though, I saw this going around yesterday, Article 5 like security guarantee.
What does that mean?
Well, on the Russian side, in fact, the Russians have always agreed that Ukraine should have a security guarantee.
The question is, who are the guarantors?
Are the guarantors of that going to be NATO?
Are they going to be European nations?
Or perhaps a consortium, a coalition, if you will?
That's what you're hearing from the Ukrainians as well as the Europeans and the G7 members that are here that are meeting here today, the NATO leaders, they're saying, why not a coalition of the willing?
Russia, on the other hand, has said we would be willing to join such a coalition and perhaps even involve the Chinese, the Chinese Communist Party.
So all of these factors are playing into the meeting that President Trump, the series of meetings that he embarked in last Friday in Anchorage, now today in the Oval Office in the White House.
I want to get in now, we have a couple of minutes till the break.
I want to get in now, some of the real American voice team.
I think we have Beau and Emily down there in West Palm guys.
It's great to see you on the North Lawn there.
Jack, if I could, I'd love to touch with you here on a topic you just touched on before you have the jet.
With respect to Donbass, my understanding is that there's economic value to it, but there's a defensible reason that Ukraine wants to keep this because the terrain is different.
And if you open up that territory to the Russians, then it's basically flat farmland all the way to Charkiv and Kiev.
Is that why a place like Donbass is so critical in these negotiations?
Well, I mean, pretty much all of Ukraine is really that low flat land, that low flat farmland coming off from the Black Sea.
The Donbass, yes, to it, has an extent of terrain to it, but it's really not that much.
And yes, to your point, the key geographic formation that would include any kind of military barrier after the Donbass really is just that Dneper River.
So there really isn't any.
And again, it's just these rolls.
Remember, Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe, and it certainly was the bread basket of Europe prior to the war.
That black soil that they have in Ukraine is incredibly arable land because of its proximity to the Black Sea.
That's why the growth there is so incredible.
And it's also why companies like Monsanto and other GMOs have been looking to get into Ukraine from the very beginning.
So there's, to your point, not just a military reason but also an economic reason.
And Jack, what would be the best possible scenario coming out of today in that meeting right behind you?
Well, you know, the best possible scenario would be a peace deal today.
And I certainly think that each side is going to have some consternation.
Each side will have to make concessions.
The Russians have been willing to say that they don't need to get all of the provinces that they're claiming.
They're sort of positioning that as a concession.
Whereas the Ukrainians are saying, we want just up to the contact line and nothing else, so up to the current front line.
But really, it's about getting a pe peace deal as quickly as possible for President Trump, for the administration.
I think that's what they're driving towards, and one that, again, is not just going to be a ceasefire that could fall apart.
They want a real, lasting peace deal that could perhaps set a new framework for relations between the United States and Russia and Russia and the entire West.
Jack, walk us through what the rest of the day is going to look like there at the White House.
We know that Trump and Zelenskyy are meeting right now, but there's also European leaders, seven, if I'm not mistaken, that are going to be meeting with them as well.
So what can we expect to hear there?
I understand that Zelenskyy had his own private meeting before meeting with Trump today with those European leaders.
What can we expect to see?
That's right.
So they're going to move from this meeting into a wider meeting with the president, Zelenskyy, and the European leaders, and at which point, if that goes well and if everything goes according to plan, then they're going to move to a press conference where you're going to see President Trump, President Zelenskyy, and likely one of the EU leaders.
I think we're coming up on a quick break here.
We're looking for that press conference as a positive sign.
Coming up, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice, live from the White House.
Thank you.
You talk about influencers.
These are influencers.
And they're friends of mine, Jack Rysovic.
Where is Jack?
Jack, he's got a great job.
If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that he hasn't seized yet, but negotiates his way into, doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize land by force?
But this is not about accepting.
This is about what Ukraine can accept and what Russia can accept.
They both have to accept it.
Otherwise, there won't be a peace deal.
Okay?
If there are no concessions, if one side gets everything they want, that's called surrender.
That's called the end of the war through surrender.
And that's not what we're close to doing because neither side here is on the verge of surrender or anything close to it.
So in order for there to be a peace deal, this is just a fact.
We may not like it.
It may not be pleasant.
It may be disgusting.
But in order for there to be an end to the war, there are things Russia wants that it cannot get, and there are things Ukraine wants that it is not going to get.
Russia is still unsuccessful in Donetsk region.
Putin has been unable to take it for twelve years.
And the constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible to give up territory or trade land.
Since the territorial issue is so important, it should be discussed.
only by the leaders of Ukraine and Russia at the trilateral Ukraine, United States, Russia.
So far, Russia gives no sign that trilateral will happen.
And if Russia refuses, then new sanctions must follow.
Okay, Jack Posobuk here live outside the White House.
We're on the North Lawn.
It's called Pebble Beach.
Not too many pebbles here right now, but there is a little drizzle, a couple of drops of rain hitting.
We knew that we were going to get rain at some point today, but I said, guys, we have to do it.
We have to be out there.
So I'll be out here.
Even if it's pouring rain, I'm not going anywhere because this is what it all is.
That is what it all is about.
Stakes higher than ever.
The war in Ukraine, the war in the Donbass.
And Secretary of State Marco Rubio is saying it very clearly that neither side is willing to surrender here.
And in fact, both sides are willing to continue fighting.
After all, this is Eastern Europe, and that's exactly how it goes over there.
They are not in to surrender very much.
But perhaps a peace deal could be reached.
And something that I think a lot of people may have missed is that when Vladimir Zelenskyy, when he was first running for president all the way back in 2019, so three years before the war began.
One of the things that he said that he wanted to be able to achieve during his time in office would be to find a way to normalize some kind of situation with Russia.
Because for folks, remember, the original Donbass crisis goes all the way back to 2014, go to the Maidan Revolution, that's when you see those territories break away, become autonomous, then the Russians move in.
So this conflict really goes back over a decade to that point.
And it's something that Zelenskyy talked about quite a bit when he first ran for office.
So we'll see whether or not he's interested in going back to his original position.
I want to say I'll be here for a couple more minutes.
We're going to hand it off to the rest of the Real America's Voice team because I've got to run in at the end of the segment here for the press conference.
I believe we have Steve Gruber though with us.
You do, Jack.
I'm here, standing by, ready and willing and able to pick up where you're leaving.
Steve.
Jack, Steve, what do you think of the day so far?
It's a remarkable day, Jack.
And, you know, I was reflecting on your video in the middle of the night here the other day.
I ran it on my morning show here on Real America's Voice first thing this morning because the point that you made is really important.
Donald Trump worked all the way home from Alaska.
He didn't rest on his laurels.
He didn't say, hey, we had a good meeting here.
He was on the phone, working the phones with European leaders, NATO leaders, Zelenskyy, all of them.
It is remarkable that this man, 79 years of age, is one who works his fingers to the bone, literally, dialing the phone, hooking up and putting together these relationships and making it happen.
You were right there at the front row.
I'd like you to reflect on that a little bit.
I mean, to me, it's a remarkable display of grit and leadership.
And I think that's what it's going to take to maybe close the chapter on this war.
Your thoughts?
Well, Steve, not only that, but he went golfing just a few hours after.
So we get there.
We land on the tarmac.
And I don't know if I quite expressed what you said.
I don't know if I expressed this quite.
It was, you know, three in the morning.
And I've been going through how many time zones I couldn't even tell you.
But we're on the tarmac.
We landed, though, at two in the morning on the tarmac.
And we're sitting there and we're ready for the movement.
We're ready to get into the motorcade.
And suddenly we're waiting, and we wait a little bit longer.
And then we see the Secret Service, which is in the compartment ahead of us.
They all sit down.
We said, Wait a minute, when the Secret Service sits down, that's probably a sign you're not going to be moving any time soon.
Then Caroline Levitt comes back to us.
She says, Folks, we're actually holding here on the tarmac.
What are we holding here on the tarmac for?
Is there some situation?
She said, Well, President Trump is currently on the phone with a NATO leader.
He was in a conversation with a NATO leader, didn't want to hang up the phone call.
So he held the entire delegation, held Air Force One there on the tarmac for probably about another 45 minutes to an hour in order to finish that conversation.
He didn't want to hang up the phone.
And at that point, we headed back to the White House.
So for people to realize that when he's up there in the air, Air Force One, that is a total working airborne White House.
He's got his airborne overall office.
He's got his situation room, full communication suite, ability to contact anyone in the world.
And he was working from the moment he got on board to the moment he disembarked.
and he still got up and went to golf in the morning.
Yeah, it's remarkable.
And yeah, what an experience for you to be lucky enough to see that from the front row where you were, a pretty incredible experience.
You know, I want you to weigh in on this, Jack, because we've talked about this, obviously, since February 2022.
My opinion has been and continues to be that I'm sorry, as angry as you may be, that Putin is going to be rewarded for his illegal invasion of Ukraine, but he probably is.
He's not giving Crimea back.
He's not giving back those naval bases or those military airfields in Crimea that's been in the hands of Russia since 2012.
And the Donbass and those regions on eastern Ukra Ukraine probably won't come back either.
That's been my opinion for a long time.
And I think it was framed properly by Peter Doocy, who asked it right out of the gate today.
Are you willing to redraw the maps of Ukraine, or do you want to spend another two years having people get killed?
Look, as our colleague Steve Bannon pointed out numerous times, 1.5 million people killed here or wounded.
That's more than the people killed in the first two years of World War two on the European continent.
This war has to end.
Will it get done today?
I don't know.
But the war has to end.
Well, I think that's exact been obviously one of the most powerful wars that Europeans and really the world has seen since the end of World War II.
Will it get done today?
I hope so, just from that perspective.
But again, anything could take place.
But I would say this, as we know, President Trump has been working the phones all weekend, we know that a lot of these decisions, a lot of these conversations were held even before anyone showed up today.
So it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of this had already been hashed out.
all right jack posobiec i am going to head inside to the press conference turning it over to the real america's voice team here live at the white house human events daily Hey Jack, where's Jack?
Where's Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys.
And these are the guys that should be getting bonuses.
Welcome back to Human Events Daily.
I'm Bo Davidson alongside Emily Finn.
Emily, it's a hopeful day.
We would call this a hopeful day in the progress towards a path to peace.
You know, Vladimir Zelensky and President Trump are meeting right now as we speak.
We can only imagine what's being said.
But we hope it's a path to peace.
That's the hope.
Absolutely, Bo.
And I think, as Jack was mentioning throughout the show, it's really part two of that hope.
Last Friday, when Trump met with Putin, that was really the first step in the right direction with all of this.
But as we've been discussing throughout the show, I mean, it just seems like the two sides really are hesitant to give up what they want.
On the Russian side, you know, being that Donbass region, that land that 88% of it has already been controlled by Russia three years into this war.
And on the other side, you know, Zelenskyy wants those security guarantees, but what does that mean?
So I think that's what he's talking with the president about as we speak.
They will be meeting with those other European leaders, as we've been reporting on as well, UK Prime Minister Kir Starmer, French President Emmanuel Macron, Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney included in that group.
We know that Zelensky talked with them earlier in the day, had a private side conversation before all going in on a unified front to talk with President Trump today.
So that is something that I'm going to be keeping a really close eye on because I think that's going to give us some cues as to where the negotiations really do stand.
Yeah, and there's no deal till there's a deal, right?
That's what President Trump has said.
Vladimir Putin probably raised his issues and what he wants.
Vladimir Zelensky will do the same.
But remember, as Marco Rubio said, not everyone is going to get everything they want.
That's why we have something called compromise.
And that's something that just has to happen in this path to peace.
And Donald Trump has worked out tirelessly.
Jack Bisoba gave that anecdote of what happened on Air Force One, working out tirelessly to speak to European leaders as he will do shortly.
I do want to talk also, Emily, about the lack of popularity of this war.
There's an attitude that has changed in terms of what the Ukrainians feel they should do and putting their trust in their fearless leader, Vladimir Zelenskyy.
Let's go to a SOT right now we have from CNN that talks about polling that has changed from 2022 up until now.
There have been some absolutely major shifts.
The idea that Ukraine is going to achieve complete victory, that idea has collapsed within Ukrainian society.
What are we talking about here?
Ukrainians on the war versus Russia.
You go back to 2022, the start of the war.
Fight until Ukraine wins.
Look at this.
The vast majority, about three quarters, 73 percent agreed with that position.
Negotiate to end the war as soon as possible.
Only 22 percent.
Look at where we are now.
It's a complete flip.
It's the inverse.
Now 69 percent want to negotiate to end the war as soon as possible compared to just 24 percent.
who want to fight until Ukraine wins that's a 49 point drop in this emily the results speak for themselves that is an entire flippage between 2022 and now as in terms of the mentality towards this war and whether they want it to end, whether they should agree to peace?
Absolutely.
And let's think about the mindset behind that, Beau.
I mean, the Ukrainian people, at the very beginning, you know, it was so unfair.
They didn't want their region to be invaded by the Russians.
They had a lot of fight in them to not want to accept any kind of negotiations, not accept any kind of a deal.
But three years later, the Russians are still holding out.
And it just, it feels like that probably is a huge inspiration behind those, that flippage in statistics that you see on your screen here.
It is not a popular war.
There are a lot of people, obviously, from Europe as well over at the White House today that want to assist in getting this war ended.
But the United States is a really coming to the table and trying to get both sides together.
President Trump talking about how he's going to call President Putin after all of these meetings today and kind of fill him in and get an update on where negotiations stand from the Russian side.
And Trump, when he was meeting with Zelensky earlier, said that a trilateral meeting and getting that scheduled is the goal after all of these meetings today.
So I think that would be the next step looking forward, Bo.
That would be the goal.
And we've got a lot of peace deals that Trump has brokered.
You know, Trump is the great peacemaker.
We've got Armenia and Azerbaijan, Rwanda and the Congo, India and Pakistan, Cambodia, Thailand, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Israel and Hamas.
These are major, major peace deals that he's brokered.
I would like to bring in Steve Gruber, the great Steve Gruber, the Encyclopedia, the Human Encyclopedia Steve Gruber, who knows so much about the tireless work that Donald Trump has done.
Steve, I would like to ask you about the effect of the European leaders that are there today.
What effect are they going to have?
Are they a buttress?
Are they chaperones?
Oh, we don't have Steve.
Okay.
Well, we'll go back to him again.
Are these Steve Bannon called them the chaperones, basically, of this agreement.
A lot of these are NATO countries, okay?
So how do you do a deal that's NATO-like in nature but that does not involve NATO?
I think that's a fascinating component to this particular negotiation.
Bo, I think you are absolutely spot on.
I mean, this is going to be some pretty challenging conversations for everyone to have today.
Everyone wants to make sure that both sides are getting something out of this deal, but it's just going to be extraordinarily difficult.
President Trump really hesitated earlier to say that there was going to be necessarily U.S. boots on the ground, but a potential partnership with some of those other countries that are present at the meeting today.
So going to be keeping a very, very close eye on that.
Maybe weapons that he will be assisting, sending over as well.
So like I said, Beau, got a lot of very high-level conversations happening today at the White House.
And let's mention those leaders again who are there.
It's Ursula von der Leyen of the EU.
You have NATO Secretary General Mark Ruta, Kir Starmer of the UKK, Emmanuel Macron of France, Georgia Maloney of Italy, Friedrich Merz of Germany, and Alexander Stubb of Finland.
I do believe we have Steve Gruber back.
Steve, I called you an encyclopedia and you weren't even there for me when I needed you most.
But let's do talk about these leaders that are there.
What effects, Steve, do they have on this negotiation?
Well, it's like having camp counselors there, I think.
You know, you've got the little kid at camp and they've got the counselors there circling him to make sure he doesn't do something wrong, like set the barracks on fire or whatever.
That's kind of what he did the last time I was in the Oval Office.
I think that's a concern.
You know, I want to go back to you doing the CNN polling there a moment ago.
And to me, you know, the Ukrainians were all for fight till the end a couple years ago.
Now they're like, you know what?
Let's just be done with this.
We'll negotiate our way out of it.
It reminds me of Mike Tyson.
You like sports analogies.
Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the nose.
Well, let's be honest.
They've taken a big punch in the nose.
1.5 million people killed or wounded.
And like Peter Deucey asked today, do you want to redraw the lines or do you want to have another 100,000, 500,000.
He didn't put a number to it, but I will.
You want another 1.5 million people killed and wounded.
I mean, Ukraine's not a big country.
It only has so much to give.
And it's a terrible price that they're paying for a war that's going nowhere.
It's been basically at this standstill, grinding back and forth, almost like into trench warfare.
And it's just damn sad.
And so I give a lot of credit.
I listen, and I hear these people on the left screaming, well, Donald Trump, you know, is meeting with Putin.
He's his puppet.
Well, they didn't say that when George W. Bush met with Putin, or when Barack Obama met with Putin, or Hillary Clinton met with Putin and did all these different things.
It's only when Donald Trump meets with him that it's a problem.
And the problem here is, Democrats know this.
If Donald Trump is able to help facilitate an end to this war, and I pray that he can.
He's a shoemaker for the Nobel Peace Prize.
You can't deny it at that point.
You can't.
If he's able to facilitate a peace here, you can't deny it.
And if you do deny it, then you know that it's all garbage and nonsense, and it's a meaningless award.
I mean, Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for stopping exactly zero wars, from what I recall.
Donald Trump, I think, this would be number seven or eight.
I lose count.
I mean, he's he's bringing peace at a fevered pace around the world.
It's remarkable to watch, it really is.
And I go back to what I said to Jack.
I don't think you get out of this without redrawing the line.
I think Peter Doocie was right on the question.
I think that the Donbass has probably lost.
And look, I get it.
People do not want to reward Vladimir Putin for his behavior, for his aggression, I get it.
But there's no way around it.
You're not getting Crimea back.
You've got, let me see here.
You've got the Sevastopol Naval Base there, the Bakhlava submarine base, the Vardisk military airfield that have all of those things have been reinforced and upgraded since Russia took that piece of real estate in 2012.
So, look, this is where we are.
We can either stop the war and cede some territory one way or the other, at least Crimea at a minimum because it's been gone for thirteen years, or this meat grinder can continue.
for another year or two or three.
Nobody wants that.
And how this plays out, by the way, also has the attention of Xi Jinping in Beijing.
There's no question.
This is an important outcome for what happens next on the world stage.
What does China see out of this?
These are all important questions.
I think that Donald Trump has projected himself of American strength and diplomacy and leadership.
And again, I pray that we can get something done here today.
And Steve, it kind of goes back to what President Trump said to Zelenskyy before.
You don't have the cards.
You just don't have the cards.
He doesn't.
And here's the other thing I want to ask you too about this poll.
It was mentioned that there haven't been elections in Ukraine in several years.
Do the Ukrainians have faith in their leader to be able to broker proper peace, no matter what Zelensky does?
That's what I'm wondering.
Do they have faith to get it done?
That he has the, he can get it done.
That's a great question.
Because again, you have all of these folks on the left pontificating about we must save democracy in Ukraine.
What democracy are we saving exactly?
The one that canceled all of its elections?
Let me tell you something about American history.
In the throes of the war of 1812 or the Civil War or World War I, World War II, we never canceled elections in this country, ever.
It didn't matter what the United States was up against, even when we were fighting brother against brother in places like Antietam and Gettysburg.
We didn't cancel elections.
So there's no excuse in my mind at all to cancel elections in Ukraine.
If you want to be in the civilized nations, you hold elections.
You have leadership.
I mean, Winston Churchill got thrown out after winning World War II.
A few months after winning, he got tossed out by the Brits.
But you stand for re-election.
You don't cancel the elections.
Not in my opinion, Beau.
Not in my opinion.
That's 100% right.
Well, Steve, we appreciate your commentary.
And as you are the Human Encyclopedia, as we all know, bring us some great Civil War references as well.
Thank you, Steve.
We appreciate that.
And we will be returning.
Emily Fenn and I will be just in a few moments back with more Human Events Daily in just a moment on such a hopeful, important day.
Welcome back to Human Events Daily.
I am Bo Davidson filling in for Jack Bisobik, who is at the White House right now.
We're getting a live look at this family photo with European leaders.
You can see Donald Trump front and center alongside Vladimir Zelensky.
taking photos with these wonderful European leaders who are not.
This is not NATO that you're seeing.
I think it's an important moment, Emily, to consider that these European leaders are there and this is not NATO because it's been a hard line for Russia that Ukraine cannot join NATO.
And maybe this is the foundation.
Maybe this is the answer that is not NATO.
And I think that's an important thing to consider today is Donald Trump has coalesced all these European leaders that are not NATO and said we may have a different way forward.
Definitely taking a different approach to this, Beau.
Looking at that scene right there, Zelensky looked very, very happy.
He had a big smile on his face.
I know that those conversations are going to be continuing right now, broadening out to the rest of the group.
It was just Trump and Zelensky earlier.
And so I'm sure that these NATO conversations will be a big part of that, Beau.
Yeah, and I think we have Ben Berkwam, our RAV correspondent, who is the guru of all things border.
I spend so much time at our southern border.
Ben, I would like to take this conversation to you in terms of borders, language, culture, things that Zelenskyy wants, things that Putin wants.
We've got a coalition of European leaders there, and this isn't NATO.
And maybe this is a signal, Ben, I'd like to get your thoughts on this that globalism is not the answer anymore, that Donald Trump has found a different path forward to create world peace that's not NATO run.
Yeah.
Well, look, just real quick on NATO, on the United Nations, on the World Economic Forum, all of these organizations have been taken over by communist globalists.
And you look at what they've done originally set up for good.
They've been bastardized basically to do evil at this point.
They are not the answer.
And really, NATO was the cause of the problem to begin with.
We go back to 2014.
You look at the mainstream media's coverage of this over the last weekend and basically saying, well, Obama was right because he gave a stern look and Trump's wrong because he smiled at Putin.
These guys are clearly out of touch with reality of how things actually get done.
I think you're absolutely right.
Now, my concern is I don't think Kia Starma is the answer either.
I mean, he's not somebody that is a coalition that if I was building a coalition, he's not the guy I I would be putting on there.
You look at what radical Islam and The woke agenda of the global reset inviting the invasion of Islam back into Europe.
So Europe screwed regardless, both Western and Eastern Europe.
But actually, Eastern Europe's doing a lot better than Western Europe right now because they've actually stopped a lot of the globalist leftist United Nations push for all, you know, basically no borders, no walls.
This whole idea that we have of the left in America.
They go around chanting, no borders, no walls, no USA at all.
Well, that's the same mindset, the same model that you have in Europe.
And England is basically being Islamized as we speak right now.
And so there's a whole bunch of other problems going on as well.
But what I think this is really is President Trump showing you don't need all of those.
You don't need NATO.
You don't need these organizations that are really against our best interests.
You just need a strong leader in America.
If we have a strong leader in America, we are that shining beacon on a hill.
We can be that vacuum.
We can fill that vacuum, the power vacuum globally if we choose to use the power that this nation has.
And we only do that when we have a president like President Trump.
Joe Biden had four years to do it.
Instead of actually helping the situation, he hurt it.
Barack Obama had the same.
He was what led us into this position.
President Trump in his first four years stopped any new wars.
and you actually had Vladimir Putin say, if President Trump was in office, this would not have happened.
I mean, for him to come out and say that and then the media attacks Trump for all I mean, it's just absolutely insane.
We're living in this paradigm where people are living, one side of the world is living in cognitive dissonance, the other side, we're living in reality and we're watching all this happening saying, there's a solution and you guys aren't it.
You're the problem.
So I'm really hopeful.
I mean, in the end, whether or not President Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize or not, he deserves it.
You look at what's going on.
Again, all we've been talking about it all day.
Jack's been talking about it all last week and before.
As I said before, everything President Trump is doing moving from a position of strength is the answer.
It's the model in order to achieve these goals that we have and that I believe he has as well.
Well, thank you, Ben.
We're going to dip in right now.
President Trump is sitting live with these European leaders right now.
Let's take a listen.
Hi, Mark.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Yeah.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
Well, thank you very much.
It's a great honor to have you here.
Special place.
White House is special, no matter where you're from.
represents so much and it really is beautiful.
And thank you for all of the wonderful things that took place today.
We've had a very successful day thus far and important discussions as we work to end the killing and stop the war in Ukraine.
We're all working for the same goal, a very simple goal.
We want to stop the killing, get this settled.
I've just had the honor of being with President Zelenskyy in all of the discussions that we've had.
We covered a lot of territory.
And I spoke indirectly with President Putin today.
We're going to call President Putin right after this meeting.
I'm sure we're going to have a solid meeting, good meeting, maybe a great meeting, and we're going to try and work out a trilat after that and see if we can get it finished, put this to sleep, because this is not since the Second World War has there been anything like this.
So I'm honored to welcome NATO Secretary General.
Mark Ruta, who's a great gentleman, great, great political leader in Europe generally, but now he's the NATO Secretary General and you're doing a fantastic job.
Thank you very much, Mark.
of the United Kingdom, our friend and my friend, and doing really well.
And people like him a lot.
We all like him.
Everyone knows President Macron of France, who's been with me from the beginning, one of the first people I met as a foreign dignitary, and I liked him from day one.
And I like him even more now.
That's pretty good.
That's unusual.
That's a pretty unusual thing.
Prime Minister Maloney of Italy, who's a really great leader and an inspiration over there.
She's served now, even though she's a very young person, she's served there for a long period of time relative to others.
they don't last very long.
You've lasted a long time.
You're going to be there a long time.
Chancellor Mertz of Germany who is a very strong person and a very strong leader and very highly respected in Germany and he's my friend and it's an honor to have him as my friend.
Thank you very much.
Very good.
You look great with your tan.
Where did you get that tan?
I want to get a tan like that.
President Stub of Finland and he's he's somebody that where are we here?
I'm right here.
Oh.
You look better than I've ever seen you look.
But you've done a great job and we wanted to have you here because you're someone that we all respect and you've had a lot to do with the success, I think, and the potential success, and thank you very much for being here.
We appreciate it.
And the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, who is someone that we just made a big deal with, with all of those countries, I don't know.
I think you might be more powerful than all these guys at this table.
I don't know.
But we had a great negotiation and you are respected all over the world.
So I want to thank you very much for being here.
It's a great honor to have you.
The Alaska Summit reinforced my belief that while difficult, peace is within reach, and I believe that in a very significant step, President Putin agreed that Russia would accept security guarantees for Ukraine, and this is one of the key points that we need to consider, and we're going to be considering that at the table also, like who will do what, essentially.
that collectively we can reach an agreement that would deter any future aggression against Ukraine.
And I actually think there won't be.
I think that's even overrated, largely overrated, but we're going to find out.
And I think that the European nations are going to take a lot of the burden.
We're going to help them and we're going to make it very secure.
We also need to discuss the possible exchanges of territory, taking into consideration the current line of contact.
That means the war zone, the war lines that are pretty obvious, very sad, actually., to look at them.
And negotiating positions, President Putin also, you have President of Ukraine, who is you just met a little while ago, and we're going to try and get a three-party meeting, maybe as soon as we can, and I have a feeling that you and President Putin are going to work something out.
Ultimately, this is a decision that can only be made by President Zelensky and by the people of Ukraine working also together in agreement with President Putin.
That's very good things are going to come out of it.
So I hope we have a good meeting.
And if we can have a good meeting, I'll set up a meeting with President Putin.
And if you want, I'll go to that meeting.
And not that I want to do that, but I will do that because we want to save a lot of people from dying.
A lot of people are dying and we have to save them.
We have to save it.
Five thousand, six thousand, seven thousand people, sometimes a week.
All of us would obviously prefer an immediate ceasefire while we work on a lasting peace.
And maybe something like that could happen.
As of this moment, it's not happening.
President Zelenskyy and President Putin can talk a little bit more about that.
You know, in the six or so wars that we stopped, we haven't had a ceasefire, and so I don't know that it's necessary.
You can do it through the war, but it would be I like the ceasefire from another standpoint, you immediately stop the killing.
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