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July 17, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 91 — The Epstein Hoax? Somali Mayors? Bowling Alone?
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.
We're doing things a little bit different this week.
Of course, today is Thought Crime Thursday came early because we're all committing thought crimes, apparently all the time.
And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk committed so many thought crimes that he has been put in thought crime time out.
So unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, depending on your outlook, you are here, and you have to deal with the rest of the thought crime crew.
So we've got all the rest of the four of us here.
We've got myself, Jack Pasobic, we've got producer Andrew, and we've got Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer.
What's up, guys?
Woo-woo.
So Jack.
So we're doing things a little bit early this week, and uh the reason that we are doing this early this week is because of course all the news about Epstein.
Yes, the curious case of Jeffrey Epstein.
Uh this case where you know, we we think it's done, we think it's uh more's coming out, we think that it's been settled.
Oh, wait, it's not settled, and then you know, one day a bunch of us get invited to the White House, and we get told that there's gonna be a phased release, and then we get told there is no release, etc.
etc.
That's kind of where things are at, though.
Interestingly enough, and so as we are live right now, and there is an interview that was pre-recorded between President Trump and John Solomon that's gonna come out later, uh, I think in about two hours time from where we are right now.
And in that President Trump, and I've spoken to John Solomon about this, that President Trump is going to come out and embrace a special prosecutor, not just for sort of the Russiagate stuff and the uh various hoaxes related to that, but also one that he wants to have on Epstein.
And this is something that is gonna come out in just a few hours.
So one special prosecutor for really looking into all of this stuff that goes back, you know, even probably before 2016.
But that's where we're at.
Uh President Trump had a truth up earlier today, and uh, well, everything has broken loose.
Blake, maybe you want to get bring us all up to speed on that.
All right.
I mean, a lot a lot of stuff has happened over the last few days.
Uh it it's it's been escalating and kind of what's uh you know, you can see below the subhead, the Epstein hoax, and that is the label that has currently been given to the entire story by the president of the United States himself.
He said on Truth Social this morning, he says it is the Epstein hoax, and he says it's in a lineage with the Russia hoax, the uh Hunter Biden hoax, or really the the Hunter Biden narrative that it was that it was a hoax or double hoaxes within hoaxes here.
Uh but he basically says it's into this whole stream, all you know, Jack Smith stuff, all of these come together, and that the Epstein case is one of these things, and he actually says, if you are a supporter of mine, you will reject all of us and stop talking about it and have it all go away.
I think we can all say, having talked to various members of the base, there are certainly a lot of people who are not going to let this go away.
I do think that it is probably an issue that resonates the most with highly online, highly engaged, like people who are really wrapped up in the media narrative of things.
I don't think it matters as much to probably like I don't imagine my parents are closely following this, for example, and you know they're big Trump supporters, of course.
Uh but I do think more people care about it than you know the president said in his truth post.
Do you think um do you think actually let me throw that out?
Is this one of those issues as well where it's sort of there's a split, and I'll open this up for everyone, where there's sort of a split based on where you get your news from where your primary source of news is.
Whereas so for people who are on social media, people who are tracking that, you know, this is a huge issue.
This is obviously been dominating uh What, like almost the has it been two weeks?
I think it's almost been two weeks since the uh that memo came out on 4th of July weekend, or I guess a week and a half at this point.
And in a way that it's just not really penetrated until just now cable news.
Well, I I have a feeling on that.
So I mean, you're somebody who interacts with the media as part of my day job.
Um they basically told me that there was no there, and so they're not gonna ask a question about something that they consider to be a conspiracy theory, but they quickly betrayed the pat answer that I was receiving when they saw that MAGA and the base was up upset about this issue and they wanted more transparency and answers.
So they are giddily covering the fact that there is discontent in the MAGA base and that Trump is at odds with his base or whatever.
So the so the while they won't cover the actual substance of the story to any degree, they will cover that there is a split between the base and the president, seemingly tonally uh at the top.
Yeah, it seems like that's the story that's built on the story.
So it's now it's more of a story talking about the infighting than it is about actually the substance, like Andrew's alluding to with Epstein.
But I thought it was really interesting.
I think CNN came out with a poll that said like 97% of Americans care about Epstein.
So if they say that, I think I'm gonna so this is gonna be the hour where I just make all the people watching really angry because you know, gonna be what blue pill Blake?
Is that is that what I'm gonna be this time?
Blake the contrarian.
Like if you were if you were an ancient king, you would have been Blake the Contrarian.
Something like a contrary.
Well, I do I was an ancient king, yeah.
Maybe Blake before before we dig into that, you know.
Let's let's so this this Quinnipiac poll just dropped, and I think we're all looking at it right now.
It says 63% of voters disapprove of the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
Quinnipek University National Poll fines, nearly half of voters would consider joining a third party, not just one created by Musk.
Okay, that's a separate question.
And it said only 17% of voters say that they approve of the way Trump is handling his the Epstein files.
And there's a there's just a comment from the analyst, and he says Epstein has been dead and gone for years, but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him.
Uh it also gets into Pam Bondi, Dan Bangino, and Cash Patel.
So uh I want to go to Blake here.
Blake, you when you when you look at stuff like this, let's talk about not just the case itself, because I feel like the story has become even bigger than that.
It's the handling of all of this.
And you know, I'm uh a little biased, obviously I disapprove of the handling of it, but uh, because and the way that I've been wrapped up in all of this, and the way that the focus has become on binders and influencers and meetings and all this nonsense rather than actually getting to the facts.
But Blake, what what is your sense of all this and has the handling of this been what's riled this up?
Yeah, so uh let's go back to what the original assertion is in the you know leaked memo and in subsequent statements.
It's the statement is basically Epstein did kill himself, he wasn't murdered.
Epstein didn't have a blackmail list, there's no file of like who he was blackmailing, and basically we don't have additional crimes we can prosecute.
All we have is the stuff that was committed by Epstein and by Maxwell, which like they had they had illegal, you know, child videos, but it was just normal, it was like normal abuse.
I don't want to say normal, but uh it was just like stuff they could have downloaded off the internet.
It was not like made by themselves, is what they say.
And so there's basically no one to prosecute, there's no deeper hidden thing here.
This is a pervert who died and he is still dead, he can't be punished anymore, and that's all there is to it.
Uh, and I think where they aired is that they didn't appreciate that this was going to for lack of a better term, like it's gonna disappoint people.
There's a good portion of people out there, especially the ones who follow it most avidly, who they really believe That there is like there is something to the Epstein story that could be exposed, that there are important individuals, whether in intelligence or in finance or in uh politics,
who Hollywood who were involved in this sort of like sordid elite sex ring, and they were either just enthusiastic participants or they were kind of entrapped and then blackmailed by Epstein.
And there's something that could be revealed here, and that it's not being revealed as sort of emblematic of like how powerful people can be protected in America.
So I'll just go with let's assume that Cash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and the president, of course, are all correct and telling the truth.
And I think we generally do trust these people.
Uh, that there actually isn't anything to this.
They had to appreciate this was going to disappoint people and sort of let them down easily.
And the way you do that is you have to kind of come in and say, All right, guys, we're gonna lay it all out for you here.
I would have gotten Dan Bon Gino, I would have had him really study everything we had for you know, dedicate a good few days, maybe a few weeks to getting ready for this.
Then you come out in the press conference, and you're like, all right, everyone, you've got me for five hours if you need me.
And here is what we looked for.
Here's what people have said would exist, and we looked for this, and actually that doesn't exist.
All we found was this.
Uh, we want to dispel some myths here, hit me with all the questions, and you do your best to come out with maximal transparency.
Where they the misfire happened on this was dump it on Sunday night, saying this is nothing, don't ask us about it, and getting angry when people ask about it.
That is to the people who care about this, that is the polar opposite of what you want to do.
That is essentially aggressively shouting like you have something to hide, even if you don't.
It's just it's a pure strategy thing here.
You should have handled this in a in terms of communication strategy differently if you wanted to make sure people wouldn't get upset about it.
Yeah, I think the problem that most people I'm seeing have with everything is is again, this is similar to the way that the media is handling it, is the way that the administration's handling it, and then the rings that are around the administration.
So, right now you kind of have laid out the situation where it's you know, there's clearly something there that people the the general public doesn't know about.
So, like, let's start from the the baseline position and I don't know where Jack wants to jump in on this, but there's a there is a nucleus of information that exists with Epstein that people don't know about, and the fact that everybody doesn't know about it, and the jump to conclusions is like, well, there's a bunch of fake stuff, and there's a bunch of things that are hoaxes, and there's a bunch of there's hoaxes on hoaxes, right?
It's like I think that's what's bothering people so much.
It's like, well, okay, well, explain what what the heck is going on then if there are problems that exist, right?
Because that's not the way that it's been framed this entire time, and everyone from the president to people within the administration to the rings again around the president, because there's layers to the president.
There are organizations, there are uh, you know, people who have supported the president, there are people who work in the administration, people outside the administration who have all said the same things for many years now, and there just needs to be a really strongly curated PR layout of absolutely everything, what is accessible, what's not accessible, why, what did happen, what didn't happen, why they think it is, right?
And and and the president's team could do that, right?
They could come out and say, Here are all the things that we thought were true that are we don't know or are not because this is what we have access to now.
I think that's probably what's driving most of the issue.
And now the fight that is occurring are people that are kind of in those layers having to say, well, I'm defending what I don't know, or I'm arguing against what I don't know.
And the problem is right now is that it's like everybody's fighting each other.
It's like they're going to battle without really knowing what jersey they're wearing when they show up, and then they don't even know what weapons the other guys are gonna bring, and so they're like fighting battles with you know, bringing knives to gunfights and and guns to knife fights and bazookas to knife fights, right?
So, like that's kind of what Twitter is in general.
That's what X is, and that's kind of where we are in real life now.
And the problem is is like someone's gonna clean all that up.
So, like, again, when you have the the you know, when you have BLM burn down Minneapolis, like someone still has to go clean up Minneapolis and rebuild it.
Like, that's kind of where we're at right now, is where we have like some bazookas and knife fights type situation.
Every there's just a crater there.
Now someone's gonna clean that up at some point.
And most of the people who are doing the work and like trying to win the election next year uh are gonna have to do that.
I think it's incumbent upon many of us to realize like, hey, we do deserve answers.
We need the answers the right way.
We need some really thoughtful leaders.
I think Charlie's trying to be one of those people that's in the room that's like, hey, we we need some answers, but you know, whatever the answer is, we need to be prepared that it's not gonna be maybe the answer that we were hoping for, or that we may not have all the information that's that's laid out in front of us.
Anyways, Jack, I don't know if you what your thoughts are with that.
Yeah, no, I mean I think I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here too, because let's keep in mind that you know this was a situation where it Trump's Department of Justice.
So the DOJ came out and said that there would be a phased release of Epstein files, um, starting with phase one back in February, and that there would be others that followed.
So there's there's two things here, I think, going on.
Number one is this uh, you know, people saying, hey, we want prosecutions, we want we want this going on, we want to see who else was involved.
Okay, that's number one.
Number two is the statement that there's nothing else to be released, especially at a time when JFK files, they released them all, threw them up.
Anyone can go look at them.
Uh Tulsi Gabbard came out and said, hey, we're we're scanning these things.
They've some of these files because they're so old, they've never even been scanned before.
They spent a lot of time doing that.
She was completely open about it, and they put them right up.
And then anyone can go and look at the PDFs, and I believe they're searchable in one way, shape, or form RFK as well, RFK Senior, I mean his assassination.
They've talked about doing other stuff with files.
So those are examples of the way to do accountability right.
But when it comes to this, rather than saying, okay, here's the link, everyone can go and look at the Epstein files, which really would have diluted, I think, all of this anger.
Instead, it's there are no Epstein files.
And that was the initial response, which I think has kind of been has kind of been driven over in the past uh nine, 10 days or so, because obviously if they're talking about who's in the Epstein files, then that means there are files.
And so there was this strange unsigned memo that came out on a Sunday night saying there are no Epstein files.
And that's just to everyone's, you know, uh, you know, to everyone's response was just ridiculous because people are sitting there going, well, wait a minute, though, if you're conducting an investigation, obviously there are going to be files, they're gonna be memos, they're gonna be FBI 302 forms, etc.
etc.
And then trying to hide behind this idea of, oh, well, there's there's child sexual abuse.
Nobody wants the child sexual abuse material to come out.
Obviously, they want the children, if if at all possible, as much as possible, to be protected, and if at all possible to get the justice that they, you know, really were deprived of when this guy uh, you know, when he died in that cell.
And so when when people are really looking at all this, they're saying, why isn't there any information that you can just put up where the emails, you know, from the investigation?
Where are the memos?
Where are the documents?
Where are any of these things that anyone could release, you know, go back to like Julian Assange when those tranches of emails came out, people could go and search them.
You can still go to WikiLeaks and search them right now.
And I think that is the second bucket of things that people are looking for.
So the first one, yes, prosecutions absolutely, if possible, we know that this uh this interview is supposedly coming out in about 90 minutes or so with President Trump and John Solomon, but then also troves of documents for people to be able to look through and people be able to research on their own to find out what's actually in there.
I think I think the statement that there's no files at all is is really what was driving a lot of people.
And Jack, Jack, the way that it was the way that it was released is problematic as well.
It it was it was a Sunday night on a holiday weekend.
It was this memo leak to Axios.
And by the way, when this is a base issue and you're going to send it to Axios, like what exactly do you think the base is gonna respond to with it at that point?
But ultimately, I mean, I think that the calm strategy, you're 100% right.
It should have been very, very straightforward.
Here's our WikiLeaks style document, everything we have.
Here's what we don't have.
We are working to find that.
And as soon as we find that, we will let you know, and we will subsequently release it just like we've released this.
We have we have only redacted anything that's related to victims, any names, sources, methods, all that stuff has been released.
And I understand that there is potentially, this is one of the excuses I've heard there's potentially collateral damage in that release.
Like Blake's made the point a lot, at least in our in our chats.
This is this guy was a socialite.
He was out and about.
He he was uh they they say they describe him as having a motor of a of a curious brain, like he and he would fly just to go have dinner with professors and scientists and nobel laureates and all of these things, right?
So so there's gonna be a lot of people that that he was interacting with that probably had nothing to do with any of the CD or parts of his of his uh activities, and that could potentially sort of ruin their lives, right?
Uh at least for a time being.
And so that's one of the things that they have been working against and kind of trying to deal with.
I don't think that they should they should give too much credence to that.
That shouldn't be the top priority list because it's been so butchered now, Jack, that we're starting to see this reflected in the polling, right?
We're seeing it repl reflected in the polling when it comes to 18 to 29 year olds.
We're seeing, and and by the way, that slide with 18 to 29 year olds has been happening since the Iran uh situation, which I would have expected had things gone normally to go back up.
But I think when you tack on Iran onto the Epstein thing, which again is very online, which 18 to 29 year olds are very online, this is becoming a compounding effect.
So this is Ukraine and Ukraine.
This it totally.
This is the the the fire alarm for the base.
I I actually have something of an in-between view of Epstein.
I don't think that we're gonna we're it I don't think of him as the skeleton key uh that's gonna unlock all the mysteries of the of the previous decades and the intel corruption.
It might have some answers.
I don't think it's gonna unravel all of them.
I don't give Epstein that much credit.
But the red the fire alarm here is that when you handle this thing in such a way where people are so pissed about it that you're gonna have a compounding effect that shows up in the polling, which then means it's gonna have an impact in the midterms.
So if you want to get impeached again, this is the way you do it, is you just keep ignoring it.
So we have to address it, and you have to just sort of say, hey, listen, you guys are gonna be disappointed.
I'll give you everything we got.
Let's go.
Well, Blake's position is that nothing happened, and that everything we should just ignore everything that happened at that little I would say I think there's like almost there's this.
He actually said that he actually said that both he and Michael Jackson are in the same camp that there was nothing bad that ever went down.
Every this is wrong.
Uh no, Epstein, Epstein, it seems pretty clear.
Epstein actually had like crimes with underage girls.
I don't know the full extent of them.
Uh here's the deal though, Blake.
I have people who are down at the US U.S. Virgin Islands, and and and the follow-up to that I mean, they've gone in and out of that place.
We tell Tyler, walk this, walk walk, walk through this for people because I I've been meaning to sort of ask you offline about this, but if you're bringing it up, bring it up because I know that you know more about the US Virgin Islands connection.
Keep in mind, folks, this is where uh the Epstein Island was, and people don't even remember that one of that that they remember the two cases, the Florida case against Epstein, and then also the New York case, but there was a third case in the US Virgin Islands.
So just for everyone's understanding at home, there is some really sketchy stuff just in general that goes on down at the US Virgin Virgin Islands.
And so the political parties that are established, which are American political parties, both Republican and Democrat, operate down there and operate as uh as holding companies for so much political dollars.
I mean, this is a this is a tiny place.
Isn't a lot of that just that the Virgin Islands are kind of a dump, though?
Like his island is nice, but it's otherwise like it's kind of a slum.
Yeah, so that's the question you should ask yourself is why does every major candidate that runs for office go down and do massive huge fundraisers down in the Virgin Islands, like right in the shadows of Epstein Island.
So that's a qu it and and that's legitimately a big question.
There's lots of shady stuff that goes through the US Virgin Islands.
There are a lot of shady characters who show up that are super involved all of a sudden with the political parties down there, including the Republican Party, including the Democrat Party.
And the people that have been down there that live down there have witnessed that are the citizens of the Virgin Islands that have been there for generations that live there, have watched as and the government has gone in numerous times, cleared out, they will absolutely you know take out people that try to get anywhere near the island.
They have watched as uh items, documents, things were have been carried out at later times, months after Epstein had had died, had killed himself, right?
So you have uh or allegedly killed himself, I should say.
Uh the these are all things that are part of the questions that that should be answered with that all revolve around Epstein, right?
That's like so if there isn't an explanation, yeah, this is something that people should be looking at.
Well, then explain what has been going on there and why so many federal agents have gone in and out of that place.
Well, yeah, that's part of it.
I actually think no explanation can ever suffice for a lot of what's like that's kind of that is the big problem that the administration is caught in is to the extent if it is true that a ton of people care about this, because his claim is no one cares about it, but well, CNN said 97% of us do.
Who knows?
We'll we'll see how passionate people care about that.
But like uh the the catch 22 they're caught in is there's like really any evidence they give, unless it is like, oh, here is the list, here's the 57 people that actually were like blackmailed by Epstein, and now they will all have to resign in disgrace and the system has come crashing down.
They'll say anything you release is just it's actually perpetuating the cover up, like ever more and more people get in on the cover-up.
It's like does anything they ever release about Kennedy kill the JFK conspiracies?
No.
Does anything they release about 9-11 kill 9-11 conspiracies?
No.
Same thing with this.
Like, if they were to release everyone, like, let's say it's grand jury testimony and it's all the guilt by association stuff.
Here's everyone who ever basically shook Jeffrey Epstein's hand over a 25-year period, and then all these people are tarred by association because they met Epstein, went to some social event that he was at, knew him, exchanged emails with him.
No proof of any actual crimes that they were involved in.
And then people will just say, Well, why aren't you releasing all the stuff that shows they're guilty of all those crimes too?
There will always be new things they will demand.
And I think it actually probably does behoove us to pause and like look at the evidence that we might be massively outrunning ourselves here.
Like, let's take a core part of the Epstein mythos.
A core part of the Epstein Methos, like part of the proof that he is an intelligence asset, is that supposedly Alex Acosta, who was the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor involved in negotiating that plea deal he did in Florida back in the 2000s.
Supposedly he 2008, I believe.
Supposedly he told the White House during the Trump years, because he was coming in to take uh Department of Secretary of Labor, right?
He was coming in to take a cabinet position, and they were like, Well, you were involved in this.
That's of course a controversial thing.
What uh why did you reach that plea deal?
Supposedly, he says he was I was told he was tied to intelligence, and so I had to go easy on him.
I always hear this cited as like a thing he said on the record.
It's not that was never stated on the record.
That is a secondhand assertion attributed to an anonymous former administration official in a Daily Beast article in 2019.
So anonymous second hand source.
Uh and also uh since then, Acosta actually went.
We have an on-the-record statement from Acosta in 2020, and he said uh he doesn't think that he I think he said like the answer is no, he doesn't think that he was an intelligence agent.
And Vicky Ward, the author of that 2019 Daily Beast article that had that citation.
She says today she doesn't believe Epstein was a spy or working for any government.
In fact, I think we have uh a tape of her saying that recently.
Uh yeah, let's play uh 379.
Well, I mean, that's the other now fairy doing the rounds, right?
Among You know, that the reason the Epstein we no one's gonna release the real data that they have is because he must have been some sort of agent or spy.
I don't think he was working for a particular government.
I don't know what your take on that is.
People of power, people of influence um who enjoyed his company.
Um I mean, well, I'm I mean, I think we're mesmerized by by him in so many ways.
And part of what met was mesmerizing is that everybody came away with knowing things they did not know.
I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was certainly a conduit of all kinds of information.
So uh so I guess based off of what you're saying then is that they could just give Gislay Maxwell immunity and just let her talk freely then.
Maybe I mean uh that's another thing.
Have you ever like looked into the Ghana Maxwell trial?
Like, there's some stuff that's weird about it.
We we covered it actually.
I I was surprised that because there were no uh cameras, so back then not a lot of people were covering it live, but we were doing on uh on my show, we were doing pretty much daily updates when that thing was coming out.
It was believe it or not, it was four years ago when she was on trial, which is crazy to even think about.
It's been six years, by the way, since uh he was found dead in his cell.
So I mean, this has been it's it's just crazy when you think about how long it's been that people have really been asking this.
And and I agree though that it's it's a fever pitch now because people are being told because of the way it's been handled, because people are being told you can't have any information as as a and and this is totally you know on whoever put together that memo from a week and a half ago.
It's totally on them.
Uh, I don't think it's on the people asking for questions, and I certainly don't think it's on voters asking for information and accountability from their government.
I think that's what MAGA is all about accountability from the government and let the chips fall where they may.
Absolutely let the chips fall where they may.
Just release what you got, show show us what you got.
Well, when but well, one thing on you what you just said, Jack, like whoever signed off on that memo.
I mean, don't we know now that it was like Dan Cash and Pam?
Like they all they all touched the memo.
They all looked at it, and that that much has been made public now.
I think they just didn't understand how deep this goes, uh, at least the the intrigue with the base.
And I think, you know, they know now, they see they see now, but uh, but but I don't want to go away from what you said, Blake.
What was so weird about the Glenn Mask Maxwell case?
What were you thinking of in your head when you said that?
Well, so for example, uh this came out.
Uh one of the juror so when they were getting jurors for the trial, uh, they asked on the jury questionnaire, were you a victim of sexual abuse, or is someone close to you a victim of sexual abuse?
And this guy said no on his form, and then it turned out that was not true.
He said he claims to have been a sexual abuse victim himself.
And his like testimony to other members of the jury about his own abuse, which was not at issue in the trial, like helped them overcome their doubts, and like he was explaining how actually like what the process of abuse is like and how the fact that their stories are inconsistent or have holes doesn't disprove them.
It was like it was like totally the the me too narrative that we've heard before, where like, oh, if their story doesn't make sense, that's just that's because the abuse affected them so badly.
And then like afterwards, he was just straight up like celebrating with one of the alleged victims about like helping achieve this verdict outcome.
Like it was not it was very odd behavior from a juror.
Also, one of the uh acute one of like the four core victims in the case was like a schizophrenic who said that she had voices warning her that people were like agents were gonna come and kidnap her children and take them away for sex trafficking.
Like there's a lot of weird stuff around the case, and I think it's worth remembering that Epstein getting arrested the second time, leading to a suicide, that was happening at the height of Me Too.
It followed like a series of articles from the uh Miami Herald that basically laid out you know all these people who said they'd been abused by Epstein.
And I just think it's worth pausing to think like how much do we truly 100% ironclad know in this case versus like the mythology, the mythos that people have built up around this for years.
Because I feel like I often have isn't that the argument though why you should just like everything.
You could, but it's also why there wouldn't be nearly as much as people think.
And I I've heard stuff like the great mystery of why Jeffrey Epstein had so much money, like this is just a 100% thing that can't be explained.
So I finally I just went and I read biographies, like articles about Epstein from 2002 before he'd even been arrested or anything.
Right.
And he was like, he was a math teacher, and then he was super smart and incredibly good at math.
Like he's clearly a prodigy.
He was a math teacher at Dalton at like 20, and he didn't even need a college degree, and everyone just thought they were like, You're a genius, you should go work at that Wall Street, those banks that are doing stuff.
He gets a job at Bear Stearns at the Blake.
Wasn't it like some one of the so it's a prestigious school?
One of the dads goes, What are you doing?
Dalton School.
Yeah, you you you what are you doing teaching math in high school?
You need to go work for my friend at Bear Stearns.
Yeah, and he goes there, and this is this is well, wait, wait.
There was also if you go back to the Dalton school, there were some issues between him and some of the students there, too.
Particularly the the girl students.
Well, so he's this guy, like he's he's he basically he's a guy who was insanely talented at money.
Like, I think when people say, How did this math teacher get so rich?
It often carries this implication, like he was this nobody until he's 30 or 35 or something, and then he suddenly plucked up and becomes incredibly rich really quickly.
When it's actually he was a math teacher when he was like 20 to 22, then he goes and works on Wall Street at the age you would work on Wall Street as a young adult, even today, and he rises incredibly rapidly.
I think he joins Bear Stearns in 70 like 79 or something, and he's like a partner within three years, and then he supposedly like quickly jumps out and starts his own firm.
His ascent was absolutely meteoric, and he's working with billionaire clients, supposedly with his own firm from like 1983 onwards.
And if you're employing billion, if you're if you have billionaire clients paying you millions of dollars as a flat fee for money management from the mid-80s, you could absolutely be insanely rich by the 90s.
But Blake, you're skipping over an important point because I you you've uh put that article in our chat and I read it.
The question that I had instantly reading that jump from like working on Wall Street and Bear Stearns, and all of a sudden he launches his own firm.
It basically paint and I don't remember the author, Blake.
There's some there's some mystique around the author, too, that you brought up.
But the the author goes, well, he instantly only was accepting billionaire clients, like almost instantly.
Like if you had 500 or 800 million dollar portfolios and you were saying, Hey, manage my money, he'd say it's not big enough.
So he this is like early mid-80s, he's still really pretty young.
That jump alone was pretty pretty dramatic.
Like, who that was a question I had.
It's like, how at such a young age with that little track record, would you be able to command billion dollars plus in the 80s?
This is not billionaires now, so that's probably only a handful back then.
Yeah, that'd be you know, many multiple billions of dollars today.
Yeah, so that's true.
Of course, what we know is he's a charismatic guy who is very good at making friends with all manner of people.
That's the best answer.
That's the best that's the best non-exciting answer.
Yeah, there's that, and there's also I think it's possible that he maybe cultivated a bit of a mystique around himself.
So maybe he basically had one client, two clients, and then the idea was he had the I you know, he kind of encouraged people to think he possibly had more.
But what we do know clearly, for example, is like with Les Wexner, who was he was basically Les Wexner's money guy from 87 to 2007.
The C the founder CEO of uh Victoria's Secret.
Yeah, yeah.
And limited.
Yeah, and this guy limited.
He's basically he has power of attorney over the sky in the early 90s.
He had absolute control of a multi-billionaire's money.
All his money.
Uh and later, I will note Wexter claims that basically Epstein embezzled large amounts of money from him.
He basically claimed he got robbed.
So that would be believable.
Like if you he was basically running this guy's money, and he self-enriched himself to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.
So maybe the narrative is as simple as he had one or two very rich people get really like become extremely close with him, and he essentially exploited them.
Certainly would not be the first such arrangement to exist in American finance or anywhere else.
And so I only bring all of that up to say there actually are mundane explanations of comparatively mundane explanations.
So you don't have this thing where only oh he's an intelligence asset explains what he was able to do.
I think he's a smart and extremely like charismatic individual who was in Wall Street during this massive boom time can explain a lot of things.
And I think for the later stuff, like there was a sort of like mythology around him that encouraged wild accusations, wild beliefs, and we're sort of now coming to terms with that, and people are finding it difficult to extricate themselves from these many, many years of like mythology building around Epstein.
And yeah, but Blake, there's things like how did he get possession of the largest you know, mansion uh estate in Manhattan that was owned by the State Department via these locations?
It was it was owned by Wexner, wasn't it?
Like the claim is he got it from Wexner.
He sold it is that the claim.
So Wexter had it, and then he sold it, and there's some claims he may have sold it to him for a dollar, which would also explain if he was able to get it before he would have otherwise been able to afford it.
But he may have also just bought it normally because he made a ton of money.
I tend to agree with you, by the way.
I I think that you know, I I was looking at this former prime minister Neftali or whatever for uh Israeli Prime Minister because you know, post Tucker being at SAS, then the entire Israeli Jewish community was you know pretty up in arms that Tucker was suggesting that the tie only went between Israel, Massad, and Epstein.
And so then you have you know, you have former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, firmly denies it.
So we asked Mike Bence about that on the show, and Mike was like, hey, I look at this as like you know, really uh an artfully written letter, uh essentially saying, Yeah, we're not denying any ties, he just didn't work for us.
Okay, well, what is working for you mean versus having ties?
And and I tend to I my my the way I look at this, and Blake, I think you would probably resonate with this at some level is this is a guy that's fooling around with you know hot women and then underage women.
He claims you know, at the time that he didn't know any of them were underage.
I think he I think we all can ignore that.
He probably knew he probably he was doing weird crap with them.
A lot of these women claim they were victimized, all that stuff.
But he obviously had this appetite for titillation, right?
He he liked the extreme things, he was always pressing, and again, motor of a socialite.
Like he he had this motor of an inquisitive brain of conversation, he would call people apparently be on the phone for 10 hours a day with overseas, you know, currency brokers, and and he would be checking on markets all day long and building up these relationships.
And I see what he did as much on the island for himself, his own getting you know kicks for himself and creating this mystique, but also it was probably good for business.
He was known as a bon vive, right?
Like the sort of man about town, a mis man of mystery, he liked to keep it that way.
And you know, it is probable that he was doing titillating things because he found it intriguing working with intel agencies, right?
So doing these these offshore uh you know complicated tax shelters or layering of different businesses, like this was he had a particular set of skills that he could sell out to the highest bidder, but it didn't necessarily mean he was married to any of them, right?
So he might have been involved in different projects within the Intel community that were seedy or unseemly.
But that was I it's almost like he might have been drawn to that because it was this is the type of person he it like what do you call him, Blake?
A fabulous I think it's a fairly compelling, a fairly compelling way to look at his psychological makeup.
He would do things that in that increased his mystique that that got his kicks off that that you know and and that sort of pattern holds in each different area of his life.
Yeah, there are there are other articles about him that say basically in the 80s he told people he was an intelligence agent.
I feel like you know, the greatest Intel asset of all time would not do that.
Uh, but there are definitely fabulous who tell people all the time that they're intelligence assets, and a lot of people even believe them.
This this actually works with a ton of people.
You just tell someone you work for the CIA, and if they don't get it disproven otherwise, they sometimes just believe it.
Uh and so I guess like getting back to the core thing is are we able to does this like damage the administration, or are they gonna be able to extricate themselves?
I don't know, Jack.
Well, I think look, I I think it's already shown up in polling.
Um, I think it's gonna be something that and by the way, let's let's keep in mind too that the effect of the tariffs is now starting to come in where we're we are, you know, CPI was down, which was good, but at the same time, you know, the effect of the tariffs is starting to be seen a little bit here and there with price increases um around the board.
You know, July usually is a very, very like it's the doldrums of summer.
This is normally not a hot news time.
The news cycle is usually completely quiet during July.
And yet here we are with this completely heated, I mean, almost seems chosen kind of discussion.
And you know, it's really one that was done with without any reason, as far as I know, as far as I can tell.
Um, there's no political or legal reason to put this memo out when they did.
And so what I think the admin here here's the issue, right?
Here's what I'm trying to say.
The admin has a lot of wins that they can directly point to.
They're also going to have to be spending political capital on various things here and there as things come up, you know, uh ice raids, etc.
etc.
Tariffs, um, who knows, something kicks off with Ukraine or not, this new arms deal that's going through.
And so this thing has turned into this this massive, I think, umbrella in the sense that it's blocking out everything else that's going on.
And for people to think that it's just it's a mistake to think that it'll just go away on its own.
And it's a mistake to think that people will just stop caring about it because they're told to.
I don't think that's how MAGA works.
I don't think how that that's how the America First movement works.
And I don't think it's going to go away, quote unquote, until some pressure is released in some way.
Now, whether that's by a release, I would love to see a release, whether that's by a special prosecutor.
I would love to see a special prosecutor.
We're now one hour away from that interview with John Solomon that's going to drop here with President Trump.
It was recorded earlier this morning, so we're gonna hear that as well.
But of course, the question is, are we going to actually get one?
No, I've heard I have heard that uh there is a serious effort underway to appoint a special prosecutor, and that names are being listed already.
So there's a list of names that's being brought together of potential um, you know, potential individuals who could be that special prosecutor.
This is a deep state thing, right?
Deep deep state prosecutor, so it's gonna be kind of like over all this, including Epstein, but it's gonna be like so it's it's you put it together, right?
So it's a deep state prosecutor, but you add Epstein to the scope memo of this broader conspiracy that they were looking at already with Russia Gate, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, etc.
But you add you add Epstein essentially to that as well to see if there's any Nexus or be able to go.
And so for people to understand this, by the way, when you look at Mueller, right?
The special counsel's office isn't just it's not just like one person is going over and reviewing this stuff.
They have they have teams under them, they have prosecutors, they have investigators, they have analysts.
So you can easily have dual um, you know, dual tracks of investigations and different buckets that they're looking into underneath the office of the special counsel, if that is the route that they end up going under.
And by the way, there's also a question of whether or not this person needs to be Senate confirmed.
That's something that um with some of these Supreme Court orders that came down.
Actually, Blake, that would be that's an interesting question for you.
I know I'm I'm kind of throwing you uh for you know, it didn't ask this beforehand, but is it true that with some of the court rulings on Jack Smith that a special counsel would need to be Senate confirmed?
Well, so it's unclear because I think the court ruling was specifically about his correct or I have I haven't closely looked at this, but I think you know what I'm talking about, right?
Yeah, yeah.
It's not it's not required for an inferior yeah, it's not currently I think they could still do it in theory.
I know Clarence Thomas basically said in like uh one of his concurrences that he would really like the Supreme Court to look at this, but I don't think the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that basically special counsels are actually of that sort are actually not allowed anymore.
Uh but you are putting me on the spot, so I don't know that for sure the answer.
No, no, no, I am.
I don't think it was the Supreme Court either.
I think it was I think it was just a federal court.
I think it was just uh district level.
I know we all we all were upset about Jack Smith being appointed uh special prosecutors uh without without uh Senate confirmation.
And it what I believe uh what was the judge down in Florida?
What was her name?
She I think she ruled something about that as well, or she had written about that in one of her one of her uh rules.
I mean Cannon.
Yeah, that's right.
Um so I it's a good it's a good question.
Uh we should we should probably look into it.
Yeah, I think it's good.
And so for for folks who are there, you know, I want to um, you know, uh in the chat, you know, send us your stuff as well.
Um, you know, uh freedom of charliefher.com or 1776 at humanevents.com.
Send us your send us your comments because there's a ton out there on this.
We've spent now uh about 47 minutes talking about it, way longer than certainly we intended to, but honestly, we could go even further because you know, at the end of the day, I think this is a situation where people want answers.
You're starting to see, by the way, when you look at the polling, this is something where the left and the right are actually in agreement on where they want more answers to come out on this or at least something to be done in this situation.
So it's it's sort of becoming a self-perpetuating uh prophecy here where you know it's it's or self-fulfilling prophecy, I should say, where the absence of a story has created a story rather than the other way around.
And and that that goes back to that goes back to the way it was handled.
That goes back to the way that it was set up.
But uh, I know this is thought crime, and we did have a few other topics that I wanted to get to, and so it would be remiss if we didn't talk about the Somali mayors.
Do you guys want to get into the Somali mayors?
Oh boy.
We we knew this had to come someday for Minneapolis, but you know, they could have they could have waited a bit longer.
But here we are.
What's what's his name again?
Oh, I had it.
Omar.
Omar Omar Fate, right?
Yeah, Omar Fate.
Which I assume that's probably fate, like the word for conquest in Islam.
You know, they have they have basically that it's super common in like Turkey because it refers to like oh, the Islamic conquest of uh the Christian Empire.
But anyway, we'll have a different Islamic conquest going on in Minneapolis, and I'm sure it will work out equally as well for the inhabitants.
So yeah, this guy, Omar Fate, he is uh Somali born in uh the United States, but he has clips of him referring to Somalia as our country, much like Ilhan Omar also has clips of her doing that.
And he's really born in 1990, he's only 35.
Oh gosh.
Oh man, so he's basically as old as I am, but he's running for mayor of a large city.
Uh, do we have uh what's the uh what's the number for it?
I should bring this up here.
Oh yeah.
So we've got uh he's he's vowing to protect all of the illegal immigrants of Minneapolis from ICE.
Let's play uh 286.
Protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not letting MPD interact with ice, whether it's for an immigration raid or not.
Our residents deserve a mayor that will stand up to Donald Trump and say, no, not in our community.
Did you know that the city's own data showed that 47% of calls to MPD can be diverted to non-police response?
Cops aren't social workers.
And then should we just play let's play the clip of him referring to uh Somalia our home.
Let's play uh 309.
I understand that our Somali communities are all connected to each other.
Um here in Minnesota and back home and ask for your support.
Uh there's always been a link between our community here as well as back home.
And I'm running to bridge that gap and unite all of us and represent all of us.
Because when we succeed here, we're gonna see succeed everywhere.
And I'm hoping to do that just like Abdurzak.
Inshallah.
Inshallah.
Back home.
Back home.
Back home in the motherland.
Back home in Back home in Somalia.
Actually, this is the issue.
And so apparently, unheard is like writing an article about me this week, and they asked me about this.
What do you mean?
Because I said, I said this guy's clearly not an American.
And I said the same thing about Zoram Mamdani.
And what I'm getting at is we have at some point, this is this is a broader debate.
And it's it's honestly something that I think is one of the most pressing issues in America today, because we now have these foreign enclaves inside the United States, which are completely, as you can hear from their own words, that they they bear allegiance to the homeland, the motherland.
They bear affinity towards them.
This is something, by the way, that our founding fathers were uh very directly worried about and very directly concerned about the idea of allegiance to foreign powers.
It's something that all of them spoke at great length about.
But then when you combine that with uh new factors such as the internet and social media, which allow for this direct communication, direct consumption of media from that area, news from that area, FaceTime, uh group chats, etc., you really don't even need to assimilate at all within the home country anymore, the Western country, the host country, if you will.
And they can grow and grow exponentially in in many cases, uh, particularly Somalia.
But then there's also this question of birthright citizenship.
So this individual, Omar Fatah, which by the way, I I looked this up before the show.
I wasn't able to get a definitive answer as to whether or not his parents ever attained U.S. citizenship at all.
I think it said that they came when they were younger as students, and yet I have no information as to whether or not they ever attained US obtained U.S. citizenship.
And yet here he is running for mayor.
He's a U.S. citizen, and yet he bears allegiance to Somalia.
He you saw the same thing with Zora Mondami, who is someone who just became a citizen a couple of years ago and is now running and probably will be the next mayor of New York, although I believe the polling has tightened up a little bit in that race.
Where it's it, I I think it just bears, you know, and for everybody, you know, open it up.
It just bears this bigger question of, you know, does a piece of paper make you an American?
Does a piece of paper mean, oh, well, here you go, you're an American now because this piece of paper, this stamp says you're American, and I would argue that that's not what a nation is.
And I would argue that these ethnic enclaves and mass immigration absolutely do dilute our national character and our national identity.
And a nation is a breathing, living, organic thing, and every other nation around the world and all throughout history would agree with us in this aspect.
And it's this belief in this weird 1960s version of the country that uh, oh, that like anybody can just automatically become an American has led to some really really bad outcomes.
So uh a kind of fact that's interesting regarding whether his parents became citizens.
Uh, so I'm reading here, this is from migrationpolicy.org.
But uh Somal, did you know that of all immigrants from any country of that we have like a sizable number of, Somalis have the highest naturalization rate of actually going through the process of becoming citizens?
68% of all immigrants from Somalia have gone full all the way and become citizens.
Uh whereas the average overall is just 52%.
So they're like way above the norm.
And I think it's worth confronting that.
It's worth talking about that because I would hazard to say that Somalis are probably among the groups with the highest rate of like probably going on state support, receiving uh welfare in various ways.
They probably have lower employment rates than a large number of immigrant groups.
And we've seen it play out multiple times where you have frankly insane feeding frenzies on uh on government money that route through the Somali community.
Uh anyone who's unfamiliar with it should look up the uh feeding our future scandal.
That was a COVID era program where a they basically were receiving money uh to provide meals to children during COVID, and they took hundreds of millions of dollars.
And if you look at the indictment for this, it every single person involved is a small has a like has a Muslim name, except for like the one like white like white Lutheran woman who's like at the very top of the organization.
It's like her and then everyone else below it.
And they're basically just taking cash and like shipping it directly to Somalia that they got through this thing.
All of everything about it from top to bottom was fake, and it really like has to stand out.
Like there's an there's just a clear-cut difference in my view from like one guy and you know, maybe embezzling money from a company he works at, or someone robbing a store or something, and this like real like hundreds or dozens of people, possibly hundreds, participating in this systematic plundering of the government so they can route money to their like ethnic subgroup.
And then when they were trying to prosecute this, people were offered like multiple like tens of thousands of dollar bribes, like we had jurors who were just offered bribes.
This was caught, this was detected.
It's like absolutely insane what has happened because they've built up this large sub-national community in Minneapolis.
And I think you know, Matt Walsh went viral the other day for just asking, I challenge anyone, he said, to provide a single way America has benefited from Somali immigration.
And the simple answer is but no one can but no, it's no, no, that's that's not true, Blake.
That's not true because I was able to answer and rise to the occasion of Matt Walsh's challenge.
Because does anyone remember sports illustrated a couple of years ago?
The burkini.
Yes, that's right.
The burkini is what we have thanks to Somali Americans.
God bless, excuse me, Allah bless the burkini, the wonderful burkini.
You don't you don't want to get caught wearing a bikini uh burkini in Minnesota and the winter time.
It's a little nippy.
I think it's really interesting what's happening in Minnesota.
The back the history, the political history of uh Minnesota is you're starting to see a significant shift.
Uh Kamwa Harris only barely squeaked out Minnesota this last go-round.
And a lot of this has to do with the fact that Minnesota has one of the few uh not Democrat proper Democrat parties.
They have what's called a DFL.
So it's the Democratic Farmers and Labor Party there.
There was a merger that happened, I think it was pre-World War II, somewhere in the early 1900s, that they merged together, and it was the farmer, the farmers, mostly farmers, but farmer labor uh party merged together with the Democrat Party.
And now you have today this circumstance where it's like you've got a complete takeover of you know, outsiders coming into the coming into the state of Minnesota, and people finally their Democrats are waking up, and we see this now happening in the outskirts, and again, where the DFL really dominated for the better part of a century, which was you know, in the more rural parts of Minnesota that have now gone Republican.
Now you have Republican congressmen that are there.
And and that for the first time in a long time, uh, the Western part of the state went Republican a few years ago.
And so you you are seeing a shift and a change, and this is becoming right down lines.
And so I do think that the outcomes of having such radicalized foreign nationals come in is probably is is for sure certainly driving Democrat proper rural areas more Republican.
Um the question is, is that going to be fast enough and enough votes to offset the the growth that we're seeing with the invitation of all these foreign nationals coming into cities like Minneapolis where you have to ultimately abandon your state and just the entire rural area basically just has to live underneath you know a Somalian empire that has been created within your state,
and people are waking up to that now, and like the average Democrats, moderate Democrats are like, oh my gosh, like I don't agree with any of this.
I'm gonna vote Republican as DFL members.
And that's the reason why they have like a million, they they have estimated more than a million more voters than Republicans do, the DFL does in Minnesota, and yet Donald Trump only lost the state by whatever it was, like three percent.
Yeah, like it's crazy.
So this is the same issue with with New York City that's going on right now.
It's like there is like letting them hang themselves a little bit, is that there you're going to have this shift as these things continue to happen.
I would much rather, and this is a thought crimey subject here because people will debate me and and say I'm stupid all day long for saying this, but I would much rather have a foreign national get elected incidentally as mayor of a big city that we've already lost, anyways, to commands who are constantly brokering deals in the background, because it's going to actually have a net positive uh right word shift outcome when people don't like what they see.
I just think I mean, I I've been I've been I went kind of viral for talking about this at SAS, and uh, you know, I'm I'm I don't care.
Like I it's just it's gone too far at this point.
Everyone knows what an American is.
This is way too much.
It's and it's it's just too far.
The whole thing has just gone too far, and I think that's why the average an American is like I I don't want to hear any of these flowery arguments about oh, this is why we need this, and this is why we need the mall of America to be overrun by Somalians anymore.
Like just it's just too much.
I'm with you, Jack.
I you know, I I am a hundred percent American.
I'm gonna die here.
I'm gonna raise my kids here.
I know what an American is.
And when I see guys like Fata, Omar Fata, or Zoram Am Dani, or there's some guy in Detroit that's running for Senate in Michigan, I forget his name.
I I just instantly think immigration moratorium.
I want an immigration moratorium.
I want less legal immigration because it's obviously getting gamed, it's chain migration crap where they just bring all their their nephews and nieces and their aunties and their uncles over and they say, Oh, look, it we've got this United States and we can just fleece the system.
And oh yeah, we happen to be Muslim, and we which means we're called to uh politically dominate uh the host country like a parasite, and we're gonna play into their uh their sympathies and their weaknesses because they all these white people are scared of being called racist, and so we're gonna use their rules against them, and we're gonna take over.
And then you get this red-green alliance where they're all sort of race Marxists and socialists, and they want to extract the wealth of hardworking Americans to give it away to all these people we just imported because we're all racist, apparently.
That and so the whole the whole thing is a ball of wax, it's a mess.
And if anybody with half a brain, and kudos to Matt Walsh for saying it, knows that this does us no good.
This does us zero good.
You don't even like I don't even know about Somali food, right?
At least with like Mexican immigrants, you could say I like the tacos, okay?
And they're Catholic.
But with Somalis, you got it's the Muslim portion of it where I'm sorry, you're not going to assimilate the same way that a Christian nation uh will assimilate.
And you've also got no good food.
And these people, I'm sorry, of all the countries on planet earth where you could make an argument that oh, they bring some sort of like good Aspects of their culture.
Somalia is a disaster.
And it's a disaster for a reason.
It's called the quality of the people, and it's called the quality of the culture, the quality of the governance.
There is no, I mean, look at look no further than Ilhan Omar.
This woman is a train wreck.
She's an ingrate.
She has made Congress worse.
She's a disgrace to Congress.
She's a disgrace to Minnesota.
The fact that she's getting elected is only as a result of poor immigration policies.
So yeah, I'm done with it.
I want an immigration moratorium.
That's it.
Net zero.
We just take in as many as we get out.
We'll do some genius visas.
We're gonna automate everything.
Enough of this crap.
And by the way, there is, and Blake, you know this better than me, but there is data to support when we look at our fertility rates across the West.
When you start importing the third world, if fertility rates, maybe they were already low to begin with.
That might just be a factor of modernity.
I'm not saying there's only one variable here, but when you start importing the third world and you are growing up and you become of age to start having kids, and you think you don't necessarily feel tied to the culture that you're inhabiting anymore.
You don't look around and go like I want my kids to inherit my country because it's my country.
There's like some weird psychological pattern that unfolds, and you don't you don't tri that doesn't trigger when you feel like your country doesn't belong to you anymore.
And I'm sorry, I'm I'm old enough to remember an America that looked dramatically different than this.
And guess what?
It was better, it was more cohesive.
It was it was more singing from the same song sheet.
And and you know, so point is uh Blake make I don't know what uh Blake, you sent the the some uh some research paper on on basically declining birth rates and high immigration like high immigration of like of other groups like it suppresses it lowers like the fertility rate of the actual like natives of the country, and that also can just exacerbate what people I think so much of this just happens because people are bad at math.
Like every time mass immigration projects have been started, it always starts with someone saying this won't like fundamentally change the nature of the country, and it always fundamentally changes the nature of the country.
It fundamentally changes.
Which Ted Kennedy said in 1965.
Yes, he said it about us, and like they said it in other countries.
They told this to the Britons before they started bringing everyone in, they've told it to the French, they've told it to all sorts of people.
And the answer is just it's not true, especially at the scale they are doing it.
And yeah, it's really like this.
You know what?
I'm gonna I'm gonna divert this thing.
We need to actually highlight this because we haven't mentioned it on the Charlie's show yet, and we need to make sure it happens.
In the UK, did you see this story, Tyler?
In the UK, the government, they initiated an operation to bring 24,000 Afghans from Afghanistan to Britain, and then they got a court order, they got a judge to order that it was illegal to report on this.
It was illegal for the press to notify the public that this was happening.
They spent seven billion pounds on this to fly them to the UK, even as I'm not making this up.
The government did an internal report that one that actually they're not really in any danger from the Taliban, and this is probably not necessary.
And two, by the way, a lot of these migrants will probably be radicalized because the UK is a dump and they're going to decide that it sucks and they're going to become terrorists.
Yeah.
I just I mean of how crappy Britain is.
But here's here's what's crazy.
Look at the average birth rate of a Somali.
This this plays into what you're talking about, Blake.
Look at the average birth rate.
I know we have this here.
It's uh 380.
Throw it up in the middle.
This is in Somalia, okay.
Granted, this is not Somalians in America, but you can imagine the culture.
This is 6.2 Somalis per woman.
Per woman.
This isn't 2022.
Our birth rate is around 1.6, 1.65 per woman in the United States.
You bring over the Minnesota.
Only has uh negative babies, actually.
So the average DFL woman.
I don't know what that means, but uh they had like what two abortions.
It's two abortions per DFL member.
Anyway, so sorry, I just want to make sure that stack outside of it.
And but Blake, to your point, when you bring over 24,000 Afghans or whatever, I don't know their birth rate off the top of my head, but I'm assuming it's higher than your average Western woman.
You're not just bringing over 24,000, you're bringing over people that are gonna go on the dole, you're bringing over higher crime, you're bringing Over probably sex pests, and we've seen this throughout Europe, and you've you're bringing over all of their like in uh increased birth rates.
So when you're talking about math, and you go to like Somalia, the uh Somalians going into Minneapolis, if you start doing the the like the the charts of how one population is going to keep and keep growing, plus and the other one shrinking, plus you talk about chain migration, like this is it this problem may have already become too big to solve in a place like Minnesota.
And also speaking of the birth rate scam, this is part of what they'll do.
One, they'll say, like, we need this to keep our birth rate high enough to avoid our pensions becoming uh collapsing, or like we need them to fill like all the holes and our employment system.
But it's it's literally a scam from top to bottom because especially if they're coming from Afghanistan or Somalia, these groups have vastly higher rates of unemployment, vastly higher rates of going on every form of welfare.
Uh, and like multi-generationally, you'll just be have a huge share of them be not in the workforce.
If again, let's look at Britain.
It's worse than that.
It's worse than that.
During the Biden years, we were our tax dollars were going to fund NGOs to help them understand how to game the system.
Yeah.
So then they would get here, and then we paid to help them fleece us.
So you want you wanna know what the scariest part is in most of these states where they bring in uh Middle Easterners uh or Africans from and from you know from these countries, most of the places that they go to work now, they are coached through the healthcare system and social work.
So a lot of the individuals, this is why you're seeing this you'll have, and and again, this is this is just a scary fact.
You have international uh migrants coming here with absolutely no skills whatsoever.
They're put through things that we pay for to put them through school for health care working, meet like nursing, uh, long like end-of-life care type stuff, uh, senior care type stuff, uh, social work type stuff, and that's who's now taking care of of our elderly here in America.
People who are brand new here to this country that don't even speak the language, and now they're now we're sticking them in, just basically, you know, uh change, change diapers and on seniors and feed them and get them up and out of bed and into and and that to me is just like a very scary thing as well.
When you think about it, is that you know, when we talk about the how society is has changed so much with young people not getting jobs and doing this the tasks that we expect now foreigners to do, we're outsourcing foreign labor to take care of our seniors.
So they're they're taking over jobs that young people should have.
They're also taking jobs that you should probably be doing as a family.
We're talking about the complete disruption of American societal values, top to bottom, all because they want to you know institute foreign labor into the US.
And this is like a very common thing.
Like in Minnesota, it says the number one, the number one job that Somalis have is social work.
Yeah, like you end up like where the main job the main job they end up being qualified for is like managing how much assistance their community needs to function.
And crazy.
I always worth reminding people, like the main remember the infamous Ilhan Omar marrying her brother story.
It's not a story of like incest.
No, no one actually really argues she had sex with her brother or something.
It's entirely a story of just scaming the system.
Scamming this dumb system.
It is an entire group whose like main livelihood is scamming the system and teaching others how to scream.
We had a guest on Charlie's show the other day.
Do you know what group has the highest autism rate in the world?
Minnesota Somalis.
Way higher than anyone else.
Guess what?
You get tons of money when your kid is diagnosed.
So it's like you just look at it and it's from top to bottom.
It's like, what is the economic livelihood of this immigrant group that we brought into America?
It is literally skimming off like the surplus that everyone else in Minnesota is able to create.
Why would any country do this?
So number one is social work, number two in Minnesota is health care and it's servicing, which isn't like real health care, it's like senior care, like we're talking about.
Number three is teachers of Somali heritage and Somali bilingual teachers.
They provide all the bilingual educators you need in public schools because there's so many kids who don't speak English.
So this is what I want to this is my point though, right?
When we create these ethnic enclaves, what we're doing is you're not making someone hyphenated American, you're not even making someone a little bit American, they're not Somali Americans, they're just Somalians, they're just Somalians in America.
That's even if you listen to Omar Fatah, that's exactly how he describes it.
He describes it as this sort of like it's an exurb, like it's a separate part of Somalia that's in America.
He's telling the truth.
That's exactly what's going on.
And so when I say he's not an American, that's what I'm referring to.
I understand that on a piece of paper, he's a legal citizen.
I get all that, I get birthright citizenship.
But I'm talking about is something much bigger and much broader.
Becoming American is a multi-generational process.
It absolutely is.
And in this case, they don't even seem to be interested in embarking on that.
I want to go.
I think we have this clip, it's clip 384, and this is from the Mall of America today.
Like currently, it's B-roll.
And and yeah, it's just B-roll.
Wait, this was today.
No, no, no, no, no.
Like, like in modern modern day.
Oh, yeah, in modern day.
Like modern day.
Because I have another one from the 90s.
I'm gonna play.
And this was just, I guess, some fight at the Mall of America recently, you know, that was going on, which I've never been to.
Have you guys ever been there?
I've never been there.
Yeah.
So I remember my parents going there.
My dad had to go on a work trip to Minnesota when I was like in like I don't know, third grade or something.
Uh-huh.
And they went to the Mall of America and was like, You went to the Mall of America?
And my like my dad had pictures they took on like his like, you know, the wind up camera and stuff like that that they had developed with my mom, and it was like an umbly but brought back like a shirt from the Mall of America, and it was like, this is an incredible place.
Like this is like you can see it from space.
Like it's like people like really wanted to, you know, go see it and be there.
And now you have this.
Now you have like it's like a thorough world country inside of America.
So like a lot of our big cities.
This went hyper viral.
This went hyper viral on uh on Twitter right after the this.
And this is so we have footage of the opening, right?
When the Mall of America opened in 1992, and the crowds that were there, and again, this is something where I remember when this happened.
I remember what I was old enough to remember when this opened.
I remember just this whole thing.
So let's play clip 385.
Oh, it's just B-roll too.
This was 1992.
1992.
Oh, the the audio of this is great.
Um, I wish we had it, because there's they're just talking about how fun it is to be there, you know, how how excited they are to be there.
You also get into these this sort of like I don't know, there's sort of like 90s American archetypes that just don't quite exist anymore.
Like there's a guy who's like a collector, there's a guy who's there to just sort of um it's towards the end where he's just he just visits American landmarks and likes to take pictures of them.
So it's sort of like a precursor to selfie culture, I guess, where he he's just sort of sitting there and it's amazing because he's just sort of enjoying the moment saying, Yep, I I really love this mall of America, and I'm really excited to be here.
And you could tell he's just so genuine about it, where he's he's not posting it to some blog, or he's not posting it to some uh you know social media account, or he's just enjoying it because it's part of America, and that's what he loves.
Uh, I'm being told by Proof Surfaz in the chat that is the home of the first nitro, WCW Nitro.
So a ton of, yeah, just a ton of you know, a ton of history that's gone through there that's like it's just totally gone.
It's just an America that doesn't exist anymore.
I don't know what do you guys think?
Yeah, it's got it's actually really sad.
I follow uh dead malls on Reddit, and just like you can they show up the pictures of before and after, like the balls when they opened or like in the 90s, and then like what they look like today.
And people like take video cameras in there.
And I think one of the saddest things for me, it's just like I for it is what it is.
And I talk about this with like my grandparents who we talk all the time about driving movie theaters and stuff like that.
And just like like the entire the lore of like how America used to be.
And for us, it's it's malls, right?
And just to see that, and I forget, you forget you haven't been in a mall in like a long time.
And there's some malls are still open, and you'll go in every once in a while.
Like here in Arizona, we solve Scottsdale Fashion Square, they're still open, but it's not the same as what it used to be.
And where it was like you just had a mall in every big city, and you would go and it was such a big deal, and there were like kids would go and hang out all day long and you would see this stuff, and it's just gone.
Like the the culture of America shifted, I think with cell phones, like the pretty much when the iPhone was developed, and you just don't, and then obviously like Amazon and everything else, but you just don't have any of that anymore.
And the personal interaction that exists, the human interaction, the going there, getting excited about it, being there, and like a big part of that was like you went with like your family, like you went with your mom or your dad, and like they were they would like give you like five bucks, they'd be like, Don't spend that everywhere, right?
Like, and you would go like you know, to like the you know, dairy queen or whatever it was, or like hot dog on a stick and you know, eat whatever Wetzel's pretzels and eat whatever you had there.
And it was like that was like such a like a mentally different time, and now it's like nothing like that exists.
Like, where do you start?
We have wait, guys.
I think we've cleaned this up.
It's let's play it again.
clip 385 with audio.
The bargains are coming!
The bargains are coming!
Hear ye, hear ye!
The mother of all shopping crowds was waiting as the doors opened.
Yes, chop till you drop.
We are professional shoppers.
By noon, the two parking ramps were filled with 13,000 cars, and that sent the malls war room into action.
We were able to divert to off-site parking properly and efficiently and effectively within five minutes.
There was congestion on the roads, but the plan seemed to work.
Meanwhile, the traffic jam continued inside the mall.
It took almost an hour to get on some of the most popular amusement rides, and the wait continued in the food line.
Now I'm looking up uh so remember when that uh kid got thrown off the balcony at the Mall of America by uh was it a Somali migrant who did it?
I think it was.
Uh anyway, he lived, he he's actually doing okay, so that's good.
The New York Post of all things did a follow-up article about him.
He's he's doing all right now, so that's good.
But he probably shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony in the first place.
That would I think that was avoidable and lamentable.
So the dip big the biggest difference between outside of not no longer having malls everywhere and you know, normal Americans walking through them is now we have no malls and just like a bunch of mentally ill people and a bunch of foreign migrants running around most of our cities.
Great job, America.
Doing well.
So one of the Tyler, one of the things you're talking about is the idea of third spaces.
Um, I've talked about this quite a bit.
I used to do this this thing, we called it Pizza Hut Nationalism, where even though a pizza wouldn't necessarily really count as a third space, but it was sort of like third spaces were places that you were going to that it wasn't work, it wasn't school, and it also wasn't home.
And it was just a place that you would go to that you would exist in where you would commune with people, where you would meet people and you'd sort of bump into people from in you know in the real world, and you weren't you weren't just there to like pick up something and leave, or you would actually spend time, and uh churches are a great example of third spaces, so churches are sort of one of the only ones left, but with the death of malls, you you really lost this communal gathering place.
So that used to be the town square, it used to be just sort of your your community center, and we've totally lost that in real life.
I mean, these were places where you could go on a date, it's where you could meet your girlfriend or boyfriend, it's where you could spend time without mom and dad, like totally looking over your shoulder when you were, you know, a teenager, but you were still in a generally you know controlled safe environment and to be sure you know part of there there's a lot of factors at play here in uh in all these things the death of malls uh the internet certainly played a huge role in that financialization played a huge role in that the rise
crime has played a massive role, but specifically for the Mall of America.
I just don't think that you can accurately tell that story if you don't include the massive influx of Somali migrants that took place over the last 15, 20 years.
You just can't talk about the story of the Mall.
And this, in a sense, is sort of a microcosm of America writ large, that there it was, this
just just play those you play the b-roll again guys as we're talking about it this was in our lifetime that places like this existed and they were great and they were fun and you could go there and and go shopping and feel get a book to read and and go pick up something and and meet some people and eat some food do whatever and you didn't have to worry about crime you didn't have to worry about getting your children thrown off of the top railing and just stories like that were just completely unheard of.
I should I should correct before it gets clipped by somebody it was not a Somali migrant who did that that was a false story that spread on the internet so I want to correct fake news it was just a normal crazy person I guess.
So I wanted to throw that out there but still shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony well and and this is like what you're talking about Jack is thanks for that correction Blake good work.
Wait way to self way to self-clean up there.
But what you're talking about in those third places is like what we saw in a lot of the sitcoms and stuff like that on TV, right?
Like it's like that's the Arnold's drive in from happy days.
That's the Max from Saved by the Bell that's like that's that's like we have talked about this before on on the show where it's like those existed Central Perk in Friends.
Central Perk and Friends right like those monks restaurant in the those weren't created on Seinfeld.
Those weren't created on sitcoms those those were actually a part of America American life and they kind of don't really exist anymore.
Like you know the fast food like especially post-COVID one of the things horrifying things is like they've opened up all these restaurants now including Chick-fil-A's that they don't even have a dine in it's like you they don't even want that they want they want you to drive through or pick up or get it delivered on apps.
And you know this goes back to kind of the very you know 1984 stuff that we talk about which is yeah what is the ultimate goal of some of the overlords that are out there and it's like human interaction actually turns out to be really bad for people who want to control you.
Like they don't want I don't I really think people it's sad to say but I think people choose this.
Like people choose to not go out I think people choose it at times right like the the antisocial whatever you want to I'm I'm too fast paced.
I've got too much going on especially in American Americanism but the point is is that it is easier to control people when you have less of that.
It is but I just that's like what the I don't know it makes me think of like you know I think it's so easy to say like oh they want to control us and people just don't want to confront the fact well they stay inside a lot like what do people what are people doing with their time they're watching huge amounts of TV whether it's literal TV they'll be like oh I don't watch TV but you watch five hours of YouTube videos and live streams a day and all TikTok and like TikToks.
Yeah if you're if you're watching two hours of TikToks a day like you are just watching two hours of television except like even dumber than usual television.
And you can't even talk about it because you have nothing to talk about.
Yeah then there's nothing to talk about yeah so like and people are like choosing to door dash their food rather than go eat it in a place and I think it's it's too simple to just say like oh like mass migration or whatever killed them all.
I think it played a role in killing a lot of them but a lot of it is just people are kind of they're they're retreating from living lives out in public and they're retreating from socialization.
And that is an unfortunate reality reality we have to reckon with.
And but you can't you can't just say that's happening because uh and I agree there are more distractions online but that's also because the public spaces have absolutely deteriorated and And in places like the Mall of America, or you know, it's definitely migration plays a huge role.
I think it's a subconscious thing.
I think it's a subconscious thing.
When you when you you go out and you subconsciously don't recognize or feel like you're part of that community, when you think your third places, like your parks and your public spaces and your public pools and your malls, they don't feel comfortable anymore, they don't feel safe.
You you just it's probably a slight change of behavior of degrees over years, and then before you know it, enough people are feeling the same thing that they've retreated from those those spots, at least in a place that's that's uh to it to a level that then becomes really obvious,
and then there's a degradation of like normal, hardworking, law abiding normal people in those places, and so then they go to other places, maybe they go to more exclusive places, maybe it's the country club, maybe it's higher end restaurants, but then it then you start seeing this effect that everything starts costing more because our free stuff is no longer palatable for a large part of the population.
You could call those people racist if you want, or you could just get to the point where guess what?
It's called cultural displacement, and it's real.
Now, I uh the this is a point I made before, but when you talk about the urban core and all of a sudden it starts gentrifying and money starts pouring in, and you get all these, you know, Atlantic articles or New Yorker articles about the cultural displacement of the urban urban poor and how they can't afford their home anymore.
Well, you get sympathy for those people, but when you have, you know, however many tens of millions of immigrants that have come in through the third world over the last three or four decades, and all of a sudden people that grew up in this country never no longer recognize their neighbors, and you just call them racist.
Well, you know, they've been culturally displaced too.
So don't be surprised when their public places are no longer frequented by native-born Americans.
Yeah, that book there was a book, uh bowling alone that came out um, I think in 2000 or 2001 that talks about that.
Robert Putnam that really gets into this, and it talked about how um it just it just mentioned you know, it started about talking about bowling, but it it used bowling as a sort of uh a linchpin for or microcosm of civic societies, and so communities had civic societies and civic societies like the PTA or the Federation of Women's Voters, Boy Scouts, Red Cross, like all these different things.
And that as and one of those was uh was bowling leagues, and one of the things they pointed out that more and more Americans from the 1960s on were not joining bowling leagues and the teams and club, which is funny because I remember my mom and my dad used to have a bowling night,
and I've talked before about how I lived in a town that was completely destroyed by illegal immigration when they became a sanctuary city, and uh my mom and my dad used to have their own bowling balls and were on a bowling team and they would have bowling night, and that that bowling alley has is now getting like shot up because people from Philly are coming out there and like gangs are settling beefs because they know people are there, and so people don't really show up for the bowling league anymore.
And and what it ends up then, what they end up doing is that they are bowling alone, so people will will go out, and then it's um you know, to do bowling, but you're either bowling alone or just with a couple of friends.
But this this idea of the broader civic life just isn't existing anymore to the extent where you know these these third places like a bowling alley, um, can only be sustained through through entertainment or adding non-bowling features, but the idea of the bowling league just isn't something that exists anymore.
In the same way, yeah.
And and this is I mean, I I have conversations with my friends that are all, you know, everyone's in their mid-30s at this point, mid to late 30s, and they're all talking about you know things that they remember, even their parents used to do.
And it's like they're starting to have those conversations like why why don't we go do things?
Why aren't there I mean, there used to be like men's and women's clubs that like uh adults used to be part of that are were very prevalent, and I'm not saying they don't exist, they're they're they certainly exist in some communities.
Uh, but you know, for millennials, millennials are kind of figuring it out now.
It's like, holy crap, like all the stuff that we grew up with is kind of gone.
All the things that our parents grew up with are kind of gone.
What do you do?
And and you have to have some creativity and some people that will do it.
But you know, part of this has been like kind of the eradication of religion for sure.
So, you know, the eradication of religion in a lot of communities has has led to some a lot of this.
There's been the assertion that politics supersedes everything else, right?
And that's like where again, people have just kind of just brain-numbed everybody.
It's closing those those third spaces that you mentioned, uh, Jack, where they just don't really exist anymore.
Um, you know, and like again, like bring up COVID, COVID, I think, you know, killed and changed a lot of, you know, I don't know if we've like totally embraced it or recognized it, like how much of society changed post-COVID.
COVID changed dramatically, so many things that we forgot about.
I all the time, like I'll be talking with my wife.
I'll be like, oh my gosh, yeah, we used to do that.
Like, why like that happened?
It took like three years for people to start going to movies again, and it still hasn't recovered.
So, like, there just is a world today that has to be like there has to be a pretty well-defined decision by I think conservative millennials and and Gen Z that are gonna say, hey, we have to recreate a society that integrates all of this, and you have to participate in and want to participate with it.
And so Blake's plan, I don't know if they will.
Like, I don't know if people will, if they'll they'll decide to or not.
I think we're it's it's probably gonna have to, you're gonna have to edge up to it.
I think we're actually effectively going through like a selection mechanism that we're just living through, and we'll just have to come out the other end.
Like everyone used to sort of just have kids by default.
We are now selecting for people who like actively want kids because they're the only ones who are gonna have them.
Yep.
And I think we're probably gonna also like select for people who like actually create community, because if you don't, you're just gonna kind of isolate and like die off.
And we're gonna get a lot of that.
I I've told people I have a I have an idea.
I I want to reinstitute a lot of things that like modern versions of a lot of these like third places that exist.
But you know, they're just uh it's just gonna be interesting to see if it's if it if it's plausible, possible.
But one of the places like I I talked with my grandparents, my parents at length, and I even remember when I was growing up, it still exists was again those drive-in movie theaters, things like that, like where it was just like a place to be seen, the things that you do, like the the aura that was kind of around all of that.
None of those places really exist anymore.
Like, I literally they like there's so few places that exist where you know people get excited about those things, or they're just like the known go-to places in your community in your neighborhood, they just aren't as big anymore.
And like we even talk about you know, we've talked about this before on you know, the the international thing, right?
With people migrants coming in, like a lot of our parks like you know, don't feel like home.
The stores don't feel like home.
Those, you know, places that were once kind of the places of community have kind of turned into where it's like, is this a third world country?
Is this you know, I don't even I don't even recognize someone speaking English here anymore.
And and that's problematic, especially when you look at a society, it's like where are all these displaced people going?
What are they doing?
What are they doing with their time?
And that that ultimately leads to higher crime, it leads to uh you know, breakdown and family community because again, like if if dads don't have places to take their kids, right?
Like parents don't have places to take their kids, what's gonna happen?
Where do they go?
What do they do?
They're not doing anything, right?
They're not doing enough uh to really lean into their families, and so that's a big that's a big difference.
That's a big difference with how society looked uh just a couple decades ago to where it is today.
Well, let's not be so black pilled, because you can still do it.
And by the way, there they're listening I think economic growth, uh getting serious about enforcing crime, you know, penalties on crime, accountability, these these things can turn around communities, make them safe again.
We saw this with the revitalization of Times Square.
And and Blake, to you to some of your points you've made, it's like listen, we went through a crime wave in the 60s, 70s and 80s and early 90s that got corrected With uh with a country that we all are talking about, you know, in glowing terms, and maybe there's a little rose-colored glasses here, but we went through a crime wave during those decades that wasn't turned around until the policing surge of the mid-90s.
And you saw that in LA, you saw that in New York, and you saw that in uh metropolitan's uh metropolis all across the country, more police, less crime, and then you saw this flood of investment that poured into the cities and you saw them turn around, and then it became, you know, then we we we went through a reverse cycle that started in 2014 a little bit, maybe before that, but really 2014 with the with the uh Ferguson and then George Floyd 2020 and then a spike in in urban crime.
And so these things do tend to fluctuate.
People forget the lessons of the past and they go back and they repeat the same mistakes, and then you have to learn the the old lessons again.
So, you know, I'm a big fan of lots of police, and uh, and that can really change and turn things around.
So which is what they did in New York City, which is exactly what they did in New York City to make it so safe as it is now, which was absolutely the right answer.
And I I really do think that you America is underpoliced.
And beyond that, it's not just under police, but it's also with the situation.
You you had the migrants on top of that, the massive invasion, you had the influx of this, and then you add like the Soros prosecutors and this whole idea that oh, you know, it's you know, you you only shoplifted less than a thousand dollars, so it's it's totally fine.
Or, you know, you get sent right back out on the street with the um you know, revolving door prosecutions and homelessness all over the street.
I mean, it is it is just visible.
I I can remember in my I can remember in my lifetime, and I'll I'll I'll drop this off here, but in Philadelphia, so you guys know that that area of Philadelphia, Kensington, where they always show like the fentanyl zombies walking around, you know what I'm talking about?
So that used to be called that's called KA and the K the Ken Kensington and Allegheny corners, and that used to be like a shopping area that you could go, and I can remember in my lifetime going there with my parents on like Sunday or whatever, and just going shopping, like after church, like that that was just a normal place to go out and get some water ice, and it was totally totally safe, and it wasn't like that.
And so all of these quality of life issues have occurred during our lifetimes.
So I talked to Gen Xers about this, right?
And they kind of they describe themselves like the free range kids, you know, latchkey kids that would just kind of go ride their bikes after school, run around the neighborhood, you'd never see them until it's dinner time, right?
And that was considered safe back then.
Why is that not considered safe anymore, Blake?
Thank you.
Thank you.
If you're gonna look at the macro trends, is it just because paranoid are uh parents have become paranoid because of social media and they see one bad story and then they they sort of overreact and they helicopter parent their kids, or is there this growing sentiment that like you can't trust your community anymore?
It's been it's changed, it's changed for the worst.
I'm asking you, Blake.
Oh, sorry, I was totally distracted.
I was looking up New York.
Did you hear what I said?
Yeah.
No, I just when we were kids, we ran around the neighborhood in our bikes.
And they do, but like at a really good thing.
That didn't stop because it got unsafe.
That stopped because parents just decided to like not allow it anymore.
Like they became paranoid.
That's actually what it is.
In my town, it definitely stopped because it got unsafe.
No, like people, people I bet people are less free to run around in the absolute safest parts of America.
Their parents still won't let them do it.
I I think I think I agree with you, Blake, that the paranoia of disaster is just more in your face.
Like people are more aware of things that go wrong.
Yeah.
And just and things broke down, like in terms of like, well, now you'll get in trouble if you do it.
And so like the social sanction against it is greater, and like people don't want to be thought of as bad or negligent parents.
We had everything related to like the child abuse kind of, I'll be frank, like panic of the 80s, and that that increased paranoia.
Like the child abuse thing is like a real thing.
Yeah, it's just like parents are not calling CPS on your neighbors, yeah.
And like the the simple truth is is like you'll get in trouble if you let your kid like roam around too much.
And that is going to apply even more in the places that are absolutely the safest.
Like in the end, I think people have to hear like a lot of stuff that they reminisce about is saying they just kind of have nostalgia for a period that because they were just 12 at the time.
And in some ways it was better, but a lot of the stuff was not better.
People just lived differently, and you could choose to live differently today, but people collectively don't.
I agree with that somewhat.
It's like a crime.
Like people, okay.
If you are nostalgic for the 1950s, you're nostalgic for a period where America had way less crime.
If you're nostalgic for 1990, which or 1986, and a lot of people are, you're nostalgic for a period where America had tons of crime.
And it also frankly, I think you're making a category error, Blake, because America didn't have tons more crime everywhere.
And it actually did.
A big part of America's decline of crime.
No, I I think actually that was like the peak of stranger crime.
Uh people going home, you know, what would they call them?
The uh uh home break, like like follow home follow-home break-ins and stuff like that.
Those happen today, but those happened then too, in like for various ways.
Uh there was just there was just a lot more crime back then, and people kind of gone along, and there was more random crimes like in your like own community.
Like a big reason crime is actually dropped so much.
It's like yes, like the black crime rate went down, but like the white crime rate also went down, like actually quite a lot from 1990 to today.
So, like safe suburbs, like the safe middle class suburb got safer and middler classer uh from 1990 until like the present.
And like in general, there there's a lot of that, and people like you know, murder, you know, if it bleeds it leads, people see crime on television and they react to it.
And there have been moments where we have had terrifying spikes.
2020 was bad, thousands of people are dead because of the 2020 crime spike.
But I don't think it's accurate to say people don't go outside today because it was safe in like 1990 and it's not safe today.
People go outside today because people don't want to go outside.
Violent crime per 100,000 spiked at its highest ever was in right around 1990.
It was 758.1 for every hundred thousand, and now it's at 372, so it's essentially half of what it was.
But like it was it it dramatically increased from 1980 to 1990, and it has dramatically decreased since since then.
Yeah, and that's overall a good thing.
We shouldn't let it return.
I I do think that Jack has a point though.
I I I feel like crime was a little bit and and Blake, maybe you've got specific data that backs this up.
I don't I don't know.
I I'm looking for it, I can't find it.
But it does feel like crime was isolated to certain parts a little bit better, easier.
It was easier to avoid crime-riddled places, and now it feels like it's less easy to do that.
If anything, I suspect crime is probably more specifically centered on a handful of places, and that includes like the spillover, like crazy stuff in San Francisco, where like you like homeless junkies, but in general, it's like crime kind of collapsed in areas that are not like major crime hotspots in the United States.
So, for example, like the bad parts of Baltimore have actually I think a higher murder rate today than they even had in the 90s.
The bad parts of like I think New Orleans actually broke records for its murder rate during the Floyd surge, broke records that existed in the 90s.
But overall, like the national crime rate remained a lot lower.
And so I think a lot of that is the passive crime rate in your random middle class areas went from like pretty low to like extremely low.
It's definitely true today that you can like avoid the bad parts of America with with trivial ease.
I don't think any of like frankly, I don't think any of us live in fear that we'll like be victims of random crime.
And I even I even go to the air uh what's the like the Arizona Mills Mall that's near here that everyone like claims is relatively dangerous, and like nothing ever happens at this mall.
And you know, maybe I'm missing it or something.
Well, I hope you're right, Blake.
I hope you're right.
I actually saw somebody selling fentanyl in front of that mall once when I was out there for uh for like one of these.
For sure stuff happens to that mall.
For sure.
I woke up.
That was I was on the phone with producer Fox.
And I was like, wait, isn't there a street club like right across the street from there too?
Ryan goes, OMG Blake, that mall is so bad.
Shootings all the time.
People always getting junk.
I ain't ever heard the shootings.
Like, we're just gonna we're gonna put body cameras all over you.
So this will be an addition.
This will be the yeah.
I come up with shows all the time that Blake should do.
Yeah.
This show should be Blake at Arizona Mills Mall.
We should we should do like a Mr. Beast style thing.
Like I get like pay me like a thousand dollars a day for how long I can live in the Arizona Mills mall.
How long you get you get a certain amount of money per hour until you see a crime until someone spots a crime on your body.
Yeah, what about the thing?
What if it's occurring, but I just totally don't notice it because I'm like I'm on my phone.
I'm just looking at my phone too intently, and I like don't see the mugging or the shooting that's happening right in front of me.
I I just want they'll they'll have one of those like mall food court meltdowns, and there's like hundreds of people throwing punches, and I'm just kind of like walking through not noticing it.
Blake's just like Blake literally sparked Blake has sparked a conversation with our tech team, even they're like they're saying literally a shooting in the food court at the start of the year.
Blake, it's like the sex trafficking hub of Arizona.
What is that?
What's the street called?
Wait, wait, do you guys need to use a guy's house?
Is there a curfew?
It just means there's a lot of teen curfew there.
Oh that that they should just say that.
Like that's not a good thing.
A lot of my counterinteres.
Is it Arizona Mills or is it just that?
There's like a club near here that's a good thing.
Well, there is a strip club across the street from it.
Yeah, it's a strip club, Blake.
That sounds like that's probably a gentleman's establishment.
Well, I mean, I probably mean Arizona Grand is the hub.
because I see that's where they taste it.
The data shows that trip clips are less violent than they used to be.
With a Waffle House.
We can't lose our ability to put people in the Arizona ground.
But here's what here's what they probably during the day spend their time at the mall, and at nights they're at the strip club or the McDonald's.
One of the two.
Okay.
I'm not in a crispy things.
There's a crispy criteria.
That's recent though.
That's newly opened.
Well, Blake, Blake has data that proves that proves that strip clubs are less violent than they used to be in the 80s.
And uh probably are.
So they you can easily walk around strip club without getting mugged now because of the precipitous drop in violent crime.
Less cocaine today.
That's probably true, actually.
All right.
Well, here we go.
All right, now we're getting into real thought crime territory.
So I think we might.
We've this is probably our longest episode ever, I think.
Yeah, Charlie's not here today.
Yeah, this is what happens, which Charlie's gonna come back and be like, what did you guys do a four-hour episode?
Why don't you guys do a four-hour episode about crime at strip clubs?
Well, this is a perfect time to wrap it up because we have Solomon and Trump interview coming out, and it is something.
Yeah, that's gonna be starting in just a couple of minutes.
Yep.
So I think we should wrap.
We had some other topics.
We will get to those at a later time.
Any any last thoughts?
Anyone go around the horn?
Uh yeah, you know, I I just wanted to say I think we shouldn't have any more Somalian mayors.
I just want to put that on record.
I think we should just elect Americans.
I know that's but he is American.
He is American, Tyler.
He was born here, apparently.
Well, that's flawless zero accent.
TBD.
I don't know.
He was talking about he was talking about homeland in that clip a lot.
So Jack, he does look he does look like the I'm the captain now guy.
He looks like the I'm the captain now guy.
That tweet went super viral, super viral.
Whoops.
All right.
Blake.
Do I have to have uh I was just thinking about the fact that if we did the like crime and strip clubs thought crimes, it would be like the other spelling of well, that could be the other show that we do is we could send you the body cameras to the strip club.
You're just coming up like we're just gonna need a whole show of like like a live stream of Tyler generates like weird experiences to inflict on me.
Uh I just think you're a really interesting person, and we could we could create a channel around you.
I feel like I feel like nothing would dispel the idea that I'm interesting faster than like putting a camera on my body 24-7.
It'd be like uh true man.
We'd have to have Ryan edit it.
But say you do weird to do weird stuff all the time.
So all right, Andrew.
All right.
Uh my my rap is that I can't wait to watch the Solomon and Trump interview.
Good.
Because I'm fascinated.
Jack, take us home.
They're not American.
I'm just saying it.
They're not American.
Don't tell me that piece of paper makes them American.
They're not American.
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