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The Truth About Dr. Fauci and Mike Pence's Attempted Sabotage of RFK Jr.

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This morning, Sacramento County Sheriff's Office has arrested a Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist accused of being in possession of child pornography.
Detectives from the Sacramento Valley Internet Crimes Against Children served a search warrant to 49-year-old Darren Bell, seen here at his home yesterday morning, after receiving a tip from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
Today is January 16th, 2025. Anno Domini.
Folks, today we're going to dive into a story that's as twisted as it is ironic in a narrative that might read like a dark comedy if it weren't so tragic.
Darren Bell.
A Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist for none other than the Washington Post has been arrested for possessing and distributing child pornography, including content generated by A.I. Yes, you heard that right, A.I. child porn, possibly made by himself.
Take a moment to appreciate the sheer insanity here.
Here's a man celebrated by a media outlet that has often positioned itself as the moral high ground in American journalism, preaching about ethics, integrity, the dangers of the right-wing supposed obsession with child pornography and pedophilia.
This is the same Washington Post that has in numerous articles and editorials criticized conservative figures for their focus, our focus, on child protection laws, often framing it as an overreach or paranoia.
But now one of their own, a star in their editorial cartooning firmament, has been caught with his hands in the proverbial cookie jar.
Or should I say, caught with over 100 sick videos of child sexual abuse material.
The irony is palpable.
The Washington Post, which has been quick to label any conservative push for strident stringent child protection laws as an exaggeration or a political witch hunt, now is to deal with one of its own.
And this isn't just about one person's criminal actions.
By the way, this guy won a Pulitzer Prize.
It's about the platform on which it stood, the platform that sanctimoniously pointed figures at others now having to grapple with its own skeletons.
And this guy, chief SJW, social justice warrior, critical race theory, all the rest of it, as anti-MAGA as they come.
And let's talk about the tech issue here, too.
AI-generated child pornography.
This brings a whole level of depravity into the conversation.
We're talking about technology that we were told was going to advance humanity, and it's being used for one of the lowest forms of exploitation.
You have to remember that any tool can be twisted into a weapon of moral decay.
It also shines light on the broader conversation about media integrity and accountability.
When a media organization has built its reputation on upholding certain moral standards, and one of its most prominent figures is caught in such an act, it's not just a personal failing, it's an institutional one.
What about the vetting processes, the culture within the Washington Post, the hypocrisy of their public stances versus the private realities?
And beyond that, beyond the hypocrisy, there is a dark, sobering truth here.
This isn't about political points or scoring.
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Of children.
The most vulnerable members in our society.
Well, well.
I suppose if you can't trust the Washington Post, who can you trust?
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All right, we are very excited.
We've been talking about new documentaries all week here, and one of the ones that's popping out, That is just absolutely fantastic.
You guys have to see this.
It's all about finally getting us to the truth about Dr. Anthony Fauci.
And it is available up at the Tucker Carlson Network.
Let's play the trailer.
From the beginning, the lines were drawn.
I said this virus came from the lab.
Tony said I was wrong.
I was only the head of CDC until I got iced out.
I was told it was the White House.
I don't buy that.
Here was the cover.
Why would he trade the Chinese the most advanced biotechnology in the world?
He's a spy.
It's insane.
I don't think this is going to be food-proof.
Things are going to slip through.
Ouchie.
You lied repeatedly.
This thing is like a thriller.
It is action-packed.
It is going into and exposing government corruption.
This is everything that you would think that folks like the Washington Post would be doing, but I guess the Washington Post and their cartoonists are a little bit more busy with other opportunities and other endeavors.
Well, we have the director of the film, Jenner First, here joining us on Human Events Daily.
Jenner, how are you?
I'm great.
Thanks for having me.
Tell me, why was it that you guys decided now to put this film together?
Thank you, Dr. Fauci.
Well, you know, it's ironic.
In 2020, I was actually approached to direct a film about Fauci that was from a totally different angle.
It was something of a celebration of his work in the AIDS pandemic, which we know is a bit of a farce.
He was not really a hero in that pandemic either.
And that movie didn't move forward.
And ironically, Three years later, I get contacted by these independent producers, Louis Fenton and Scott St. John, who were just very dedicated to exposing the truth.
And at that point, it was almost like a low in the story where so much investigative work could happen.
There had been so many breaks, and yet it still was not being taken seriously.
It still was a highly politicized issue that half the country dismissed as propaganda.
And coming from my background as sort of an anti-government, you know, left-leaning person, a true populist, someone who believes in the greater good of the people, I felt like this was a core issue for the greater good of the people.
And so I investigated it not more than one day when I had realized that my whole algorithm Everything that I was watching on social media was contrived and completely and totally misinformation.
And I realized that even me, an informed person, someone who's investigated things for his entire career, was a sucker and that I could easily be manipulated just like anyone else.
And so it propelled me to look deeper, to contact Fauci and to try to put him on the spot.
As an award-winning filmmaker, with a lot of titles that he was familiar with, as someone who was contacted to actually direct a movie about him years ago.
And that's what I did.
And I found a chorus of people who had done absolutely stellar investigative work for the last three years, four years, five years, actually.
People who really understood that this pandemic was happening months before it was reported.
And I'm just very...
Happy, if there can be such a thing with global pandemics, especially with the risk we're facing now, that this new administration, specifically the folks at HHS and as well as, you know, NIH and FDA, these are folks in the film.
And I'm very, very encouraged that true disruptors And folks who have been committed to truth, non-biased scientists and doctors are now going to take reins of a highly corrupt, captured system in America, truly sinister organization here that we have in government that is not protecting the best interests of our people.
Let me let me ask you, ask you about that before we get in, because, I mean, you've got.
It seems like half the people you've interviewed are going to be going into the new administration here, particularly from the health side, as well as Dr. Bhattacharya, who's going in as the director of NIH. But let me actually ask you about what you just said, though.
That process of everything that you were seeing on social media was actually fake and was actually propaganda.
What was it for you, just as someone who's Living through COVID, living through the COVID moment that made you want to start asking more questions or made you skeptical or made you start questioning the narrative.
Because as you say, people are reaching out to you with this Dr. Fauci as a hero kind of plot line.
And then suddenly you're looking at it from another perspective.
And we do still have lots of people in this country.
Probably not as many as before, but there are still lots of people who view Dr. Fauci as this hero.
What is it that creates that bubble?
You know, I think that one of the things that I wanted to focus on was not an us versus them story, because it is an us versus them story amongst the general populace that is used to manipulate and deceive people.
And that the reality is that 99% of us in this country actually do have common interests, and we have a lot more in common than a fraction of the percentage of the population, which is highly powerful, wealthy, manipulative, disingenuous people that make money off of us, you know, the general public.
And so I wanted to be compassionate to people who were victim to misinformation.
And again, I came up in 9-11.
I challenged every single thing.
I did not trust government.
I don't think I've ever trusted government.
And I believe that my role is to expose the corruption in government systems and the abuse of the public.
And so I approach this not with condemnation for the left having fallen for the propaganda that was fed to them by captured Media agencies.
I came about it with compassion for everyone because everyone lost.
There is no winners in the populace.
There's winners at the top, but there's no winners in the populace.
And so I consider myself a nonpolitical person who was open-minded enough to realize that An allegiance and sort of cooperation and some kind of common interest could be formed across the aisle, even though that whatever's happening in DC is not in the interest of any of us, that I believe that we need to deconstruct these ideas because there's propaganda on both sides.
And that is how our system works, is to manipulate us to view each other as the enemy.
This was a key part of COVID, is that if you were vaccinated or non-vaccinated, it was about us fighting amongst each other.
The truth is that we were manipulated to behave that way by very, very sinister people in our government, transnational, highly powerful corporations like Moderna and Pfizer and even our intelligence body.
And it serves those folks, those folks who have disingenuous, ill will, bad intent, for us to be arguing with each other about vaccines or about DEI or about, you know, fill in the blank.
Like, that is part of the problem here, is that we are so deceived by social media on both sides, by the media in general, that we're willing to turn against each other.
Even though that 99% of us have a common interest with one another and have more in common than the folks who are in power in this country.
So I want to be clear about something, by the way.
Did you actually get access to Dr. Fauci?
He responded to my email.
It's one of the benefits of being an award-winning filmmaker who has a lot of recognizable titles.
I've been making documentaries for over a decade now.
I've tackled criminal justice.
You know, multi-level marketing.
I've tackled deception in social media.
These are titles, you know, that are big, like Kalief Browder and Trayvon Martin and Fire Fraud and The Pharmacist, Lula Rich.
These are things that he could Google and see that I was a real, real filmmaker and someone who, on appearance, looks like they're from the progressive left, which...
Again, another huge irony, Anthony Fauci has never been part of the progressive left.
In fact, he was put in the largest position of power and the one that he abused the most by Dick Cheney right after 9-11.
So it's completely and totally a farce that this man represents even the left.
He has been an institution player for 50 years, one used by highly powerful people to carry out an agenda.
That ingratiates, again, very bad actors.
And so he responded.
I think he's a relatively narcissistic, if not highly narcissistic individual, megalomaniacal.
And he responded.
But at the same time, I think that given his security clearance and given the access he has to information and his ability to probably check me out.
Chances are he knew that I was already investigating him.
And we had an exchange with each other over email.
And I'm not surprised that he declined an interview because the facts that I am asked and the questions that I have for him, there is no good answer for.
And unlike Congress, I'm not going to grandstand with him.
I'm actually going to focus on the things that were downright criminal that he did.
And try to actually get to the truth.
We'll be right back.
We're talking with Jenner First, the director of Thank You, Dr. Fauci.
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I tweeted out that we were doing the show.
And having you on.
And the comments are just flying in like crazy on this.
I didn't realize that it's going viral already.
And a lot of people saying, you know, we've been deceived.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
People saying they want to see Fauci.
Prosecuted.
But here's something that, you know, you get the anger.
The anger is definitely out there.
Someone actually, a blessed patriot just wrote, she said, I've watched the documentary.
It's definitely worth everyone's time.
A lot of people are saying they really like it.
But here's an interesting comment that I wanted to read to you.
And a guy says, I always tell, this is an anon account, it says, let Grok cook.
That's hilarious.
I always tell my pro-Fauci family about these things, yet they continue to deny it and they keep getting boosters.
So would you say that this is the type of documentary that's put together from, like, kind of what you were just talking about in the previous segment there, that this is the type of thing that you could get someone who is quote-unquote pro-Fauci to sit down and say, look, maybe there's another perspective on all this.
I would make a guarantee.
A money-back guarantee that anyone who sits through this film, even for up to 15 minutes, who is a pro-Fauci person, will not walk away the same as they did when they walked in.
And I've seen it happen.
I've seen people that said, you know, I'm going to watch this, but I'm highly skeptical.
I'm a big fan.
And they were, you know, had circly eyes at the end of the film.
They were so hurt, in a way, betrayed.
And again, I think that the values that I hold dear are really compassion and empathy, and I don't expose corruption in the government to further divide us.
So my hope was that me, as someone who you could Google and see represents something on the surface for these folks on the left, that I could maybe be a messenger to help these folks who have been Seriously abused by propaganda to realize that the truth is not what it seems and that they have been sold a bill of goods that is highly deceptive and abusive and that these products,
the booster, the vaccine itself and the virus, which is essentially a product of American funded research, is a catastrophe that could have been prevented and that folks like Anthony Fauci had a huge part in creating.
And I think that the exposure here for folks is alarming.
And I think many people have cognitive dissonance about this.
And the power of a documentary is that if you can sit there in the dark or wherever you are and you can watch it and you're not distracted, and ultimately it's entertaining enough that you're going to get through it, which I hope the movie is.
I've been told it is.
But that that is a powerful tool for transformation.
Because it's in those moments that we don't have the distractions that are intentionally meant to alienate us, to silo us, and to make us more easily manipulated.
And so what I've noticed with this film is that people on the left, no one walks away.
A staunch fan of Anthony Fauci, no one walks away feeling the same way about him, and no one feels the same about this pandemic.
And many people feel angry because they realize that The divisions that were put in place and the products that they were sold and the lockdowns and the mandates and the school closures, all of it could have been prevented, could have been managed better, and even worse, we were essentially sold upriver to abusive corporations that abused our bodies and forced us to do things out of fear that we're now living with the consequence.
And the consequence of COVID and the vaccines is going to extend years.
There's going to be people dying from Uh, sequela related to COVID and the vaccines, both.
This is the thing that I think is really important to understand.
The vaccines obviously have serious side effects, but so does the virus itself.
And the reason why the virus has serious side effects is because it's genetically mutated with very dangerous components, uh, like fragments from HIV and, uh, something called the fur and cleavage site that makes it instantly Transmissible through the air in humans was one of the key smoking guns that told scientists in the beginning many of the folks in the film who knew right from the first second that this was not a natural virus and we are dealing with consequences because of that.
And in many ways, the mRNA vaccines should not have been released to the public.
They needed years and years more of clinical trials and that the public had no idea that for about five years this research was happening and that we were experimenting, we as in the United States, was experimenting with coronaviruses for purpose of both an mRNA vaccine development and potentially bioweapons, biodefense application.
And we were using this research to spy on the Chinese, which was one of the most foolhardy, absolutely insane concepts and could potentially be the largest military mistake in history.
That our defense and our intelligence body, in a somewhat clandestine way, with potentially the full cooperation of Anthony Fauci, was funding a bioweapons lab in China in order to spy on that lab.
We were giving them our most advanced technology, technology that shouldn't even exist in universities, that should be under lock and key.
At places like, you know, the Z-Lab, the Livermore Lab, you know, in Los Alamos.
There's a need to contain this.
And yet, folks like Fauci were like Johnny Appleseed around the world, spreading the most dangerous technology into the private sector, into universities, and ultimately into the laboratories of enemies of the United States.
So you look at that scenario, if you're a pro Fauci person, you look at all the things that this man actually knew at the time that the pandemic happened.
And then you look at his public appearances and he is lying through his teeth every single appearance and he's doing it as smooth as butter.
Right.
And, you know, I just want, you know, the guy is like totally cool about this.
And I think it's alarming to people when they realize how much he actually knew at the time of the pandemic and how much he was lying to the public.
It's absolutely criminal.
And, you know, whether or not Biden pardons him or doesn't pardon him, it's not going to change the fact he's a criminal.
And I think that there are a lot of other criminals that he aided and abetted and they need to be brought to justice as well.
And if we don't correct this, if we don't actually have a proper accounting, a nonpolitical proper accounting, of what happened.
It is likely to happen again and it's likely to happen very soon.
Wow.
Now, a number of the people...
That you have, and I want to jump ahead because we only have a couple of minutes left, but a number of you people that you have in the film, Dr. J. Bhattacharya, he's just been nominated for the director of the National Institute of Health, so that would be Fauci's boss's job.
You've got Dr. Richard Ebright in this thing.
You've got Bryce Nichols.
You've got Justin Kinney.
You've got Dr. Marty McCary.
David Asher.
Makari is going into the FDA. This has been a captured agency for literally 40 years and a man who is not captured by the pharmaceutical industry is now in a position to run the FDA. You know, there's so many people in this film who have been disenfranchised and alienated for four years straight who are now in a position to actually...
He was from Johns Hopkins, right?
He was the doctor from Johns Hopkins, if I have that right?
Yeah, I remember.
Andrew Hough, who was a whistleblower, who knew about the research in Wuhan, he is now right underneath RFK and the HHS. And of course, David Asher, a long-time advocate for this story and someone who fought to expose it within the State Department, who has decades of experience in government.
There's almost a sense that...
There's almost a sense that the way that we should look at the new Health and Human Services Administration, obviously RFK being at the head of all of it, this team, this really serves and what your documentary shows is the playbook of the way forward of how the people that are going to be put into these various places are going to expose what was coming before, but also overturn.
All of these systems inside and out from where it was a corporate-focused revolving door between corporate interests and these regulators to actually getting to a place.
And we saw, of course, my wife, by the way, is going viral right now for a video she did talking about the FDA's ban on red 3 dye yesterday and so many of these things that are already banned because we know that they're...
We know that they're harmful, we know that they're cancerous, and yet the FDA has allowed them for years and years.
We've only got about a minute left with you, but by the way, I wanted to say, I love the fact that you have Adam Mangievsky in the film.
He was a friend of mine, and he passed away in an untimely situation just a couple of months ago, and he was a great guy, ran open the books, and I'm really, really glad that you have him in.
Thank you.
And, you know, I'm just honored to have been led into this investigation by people who were leading it for years.
I mean, we have the CDC director, Robert Redfield, at the time of the pandemic.
You cannot deny the voices that are in this film.
These folks are reputable scientists and doctors who have approached this nonpolitically from day one.
And the power of a story like this is to wake us up to prevent it from happening again.
And what we're going to be looking at, because of the hard work of the folks in this film, and now their future, hopefully, in these agencies, is potentially the largest disclosure in American history of corruption in science and medicine.
We're likely to see cancer care that's been suppressed by the pharmaceutical industry.
industry, we're likely to see cures for Alzheimer's, potentially cures for AIDS.
All of those things are literally sitting in the catacombs of these agencies waiting to be exposed by the people who bravely fought to expose COVID.
It's a microcosm.
And it's something that's also, you know, the canary in the coal mine.
The documentary is a dark future.
Got got to run out of time.
The documentary is.
Thank you, Dr. Fauci.
It is available on the Tucker Carlson network.
God bless you.
Godspeed to you, Jennifer.
Jack wins Jack.
Where is Jack?
Where is he?
Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
Thank you.
What a job you do.
You know, we have an incredible thing.
We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.
All right, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C. By the way, everybody's got to go see that documentary.
Thank you, Dr. Fauci.
I'm going to sit down and watch it with Tanya Tay, I think.
But folks, we got a guest on that we haven't had on in a minute here.
His name is Richard Barris.
He is the People's Pundit.
Rich, this actually, our last segment there, and we were talking about sort of the health nominees that President Trump is now talking to.
He's got this team of outsiders.
He's got this.
And that's really...
Obviously, the focus has been on Hegset.
The focus has been on Tulsi Gabbard and some of the others that have gone through.
But there's a lot of these guys that are on the health side.
Of course, Mike Pence coming out and saying that he strongly opposes, strongly opposes RFK. So let me ask you about that square on.
What are the politics of this?
So you have this team of outsiders that President Trump has nominated.
By the way, one which that...
He expressly and explicitly campaigned on.
He said, these are the people I will put in my administration.
He brought them on stage with him.
He told the American people, this is the team.
This is who we are going to put together.
And now you've got people like Mike Pence saying, oh, no, we don't want that.
It's like, excuse me.
Are you not understanding what the political moment is?
It's not that just Donald Trump got the votes and this is the guy that he wants to nominate.
No, he expressly said this is what he would do.
This is what the American people asked for.
So walk me through some of this stuff that you're seeing, the politics of it.
Look, I don't think Mike Pence has the stroke to actually block RFK, but what's really going on here as it pertains to the United States Senate?
Well, Mike Pence has delusions that he's more important than he is.
I mean, there's a lot of people in Washington that are like that.
Jack, I did the Four Freedoms poll.
The results of that poll were enormously consequential when RFK left the race and decided to endorse Donald Trump.
The synergy there between those RFK voters, and I'm going to specifically cite the people who aren't really partisan and said they didn't have anything in common or very little in common with either party and RFK. You know, when we talk about 5% here or 3% there, I mean, in a state like Michigan, that's huge.
So when you look at Michigan and you can see why he won Michigan by a larger margin than he won Wisconsin, it's because those voters were there, he had the issues on his side, and they were...
Central, I mean, to bringing over that coalition to winning.
So, I mean, he's got to keep these promises.
It's something that transcends party.
It really does.
I was shocked by the results of that poll when we conducted it months before the election.
I couldn't believe some of these issues that he has been championing are so popular and with so many different groups of people.
So, I mean, it was a no-brainer for Trump to do what he did.
And I think that, you know, Mike Pence is just first and people like him.
Are just further isolating themselves away from where the American public is on these issues.
You know, they're done with everybody, Jack.
It's so funny.
We watched the Hegseth confirmation hearing, right?
And it's exactly the kind of person that people want in charge of that bloated bureaucracy.
And he did well.
And it was important he did for RFK, right, in his hearing.
And it was important that Pete Hegseth did acquit himself well.
And now it'll be easier on these others.
And that's a good thing because the American public, they want something different.
They do.
They want something very different, which is this.
Well, so that notwithstanding, there is clearly something going on here with Mike Pence.
Look, Pence knows that he doesn't have any political future, that he doesn't have any moment.
No, I know what we're getting to.
You know what I'm setting up to.
Yeah, I'm going.
But Pence is...
Being used by his backers to become this voice to go out there and say, no, you can't have RFK Jr., and you can't have him because of this, that, and the other thing.
And you watch.
He's going to start saying the same stuff about Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Markay and all of the people that suddenly come up when you're in terms of the FDA and all of these issues.
Suddenly all the people that...
President Trump campaigned on and said, these are the ones that I want in, particularly when it comes to the Maha movement.
Mike Pence suddenly stands in direct opposition to them.
What's going on there and who's his real target audience?
Let's remind everybody who was in charge of the Trump administration's COVID relief team, right?
Who worked closely with Dr. Deborah Birx, who worked closely with Anthony Fauci, who told the president to listen to the research from England that, you know, these are your voters.
Tens and tens of millions of them are going to die.
We can have this, you know, utter disaster on our hands.
That was Mike Pence.
Right?
I mean, let's take a trip down memory lane for a second.
These are the people he's speaking for.
That's the audience, right?
So they're just tapping it to whomever that they can get their hands on.
And Mike Pence, no matter, and it is a fact, he just doesn't have a following anymore.
It's still for them, they view it as politically damaging because he was his former vice president.
So they think, oh, it's a gotcha.
But it's not.
It's really not, Jack.
And it's just...
They're all in their own bubble talking to each other.
They're powerful interests, right?
I mean, he looked out for Pfizer.
He looked out for Moderna.
He looked out for all of these people.
Of course, they don't want RFK there.
And of course, they're going to pick up the phone and call Mike Pence to do whatever they can.
They're going to use every round that they have in the chamber.
Exactly right.
Even if it's a dud, like Mike Pence.
Well, yeah, and they know Pence is a dud, but it's kind of like the Democrats using Tim Kaine against Hegseth, right?
They know the guy's a dud, but they need someone to kind of put it all out there.
So, all right, you give it to Tim Kaine, the guy who looks like Pennywise the clown if you rubbed his makeup off, and so they give it to him and throw it out there.
But so, same deal with Mike Pence.
My issue is not necessarily that Mike Pence is going to influence any of this, but what happens...
When some of those U.S. Senators start to sit down and say, you know what?
I like my pharma donations.
I like my donations from Monsanto, and I love my donations from all of these various companies that are involved in GMOs and pharma and everything else that's out there.
So this is where the Maha movement actually meets the wall because the wall, we all think the Maha movement is incredibly popular.
It's going viral.
It's something that's really, I think, captured the curiosity and the interest of the nation.
But you're going to run into these roadblocks, and this is the first one.
And I think that there's a lot of people thinking that, oh, it's just going to happen.
It's going to be fine.
But I think you need to seal yourselves in because this is going to be a fight.
Jack, after the pandemic, right, when Mike Pence was the head of that team, the Pfizer...
Had by far started to onboard the largest number of lobbyists of anybody on K Street, any single entity on K Street.
I mean, they were stacking them.
The control that they have, and not just Pfizer, but Big Pharma in general, the control that they have over a lot of these politicians, including Republicans, is immense.
And people, we always hear about the military-industrial complex and the control they have over both parties, but Big Pharma as well rivals it, Jack.
They do.
I mean, Pfizer wasn't putting all those people together for nothing, right?
They knew eventually that the frenzy would end, and they wanted a foothold to remain there at Capitol Hill when that was over, when the chaos and the fear was over.
So they're there.
They've written those checks, and they intended to cash them.
It's not going to be easy.
It's not.
No, it's not.
And there's going to be a variety of senators that all of a sudden come out, and I guarantee you there's going to be a few.
Look, President Trump won in a resounding victory.
In 2024 at the ballot box, seven out of seven swing states.
Again, I remember when RFK stood on that stage with Donald Trump down in Georgia, when he made that moment, that endorsement was probably one of the biggest endorsements that we've seen.
I mean, Rich, actually, before we go to break, let me just ask you on that question.
Can you think of a bigger endorsement than that in the general election?
No.
I mean, look, the Electoral College wasn't close, right?
But if you look in the battleground states outside of a few of them, like Florida is not even one, but Arizona, some of these Midwestern states came down to a point, Jack, two points.
And if you looked at RFK's support, you know, three to six percent, let's call it.
And Trump was getting 40 of that.
They wanted to vote for him, but maybe they needed a little bit of a push.
RFK not only endorsing him, but then being on the trail with him day in and day out and telling them he cares about them.
It obviously made a huge difference.
You're talking about another two points at least if we're being conservative.
That's a significant amount.
That moves the needle.
That moves states.
And I'll just put this out there.
You know, if people need a reminder of the Four Freedoms poll, they should really go check it out.
The number of people from all walks of life that are going to want to hold Big Pharma accountable is astounding, right?
So that's what this comes down to.
And we polled that question.
Should pharmaceutical companies be exempt or basically be above the law when it comes to damaging people with vaccines that weren't developed properly?
I mean, they're worried about this, man.
They're going to push back.
Anyone who thinks it's going to be a walk is kidding themselves.
It's not going to be a walk.
No, not at all.
We've got to seal ourselves in for a fight.
I know we're excited about inauguration, but this fight ain't ending any time soon.
We'll be right back in advance. - Jack is a great guy.
He's written a fantastic book.
Everybody's talking about it.
Go get it.
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
And we're going to turn it around and make sure it's actually quite a good deal.
Amen.
All right, Jack Posobiec back live, Human Events Daily.
We're gearing up for this fight because the Maha movement, and I get it, a lot of these people, they're new to politics.
They say, we woke up during COVID.
We realized there was a big problem that happened, the vaccines, and it's branched out into the additives, and Tanya Tay's been outspoken on that and many others.
But now when it comes to the rubber actually meeting the road and understanding how Imperial DC actually works, suddenly you realize that it's kind of like, Rich, we were saying during the break just now, it's kind of like the Tea Party when you find out that, what do you mean?
Don't we just get our people elected and everything gets fixed?
Isn't that how it all works?
Yeah, and they just have no political experience.
They've never had any power.
They've never had any voice in this town before.
So they don't really know what to do with it, right?
And that's why it is important, though, to keep that pressure on when we're talking about getting confirmations or when he gets through.
Let's say he gets through, right?
And he brings up something like removing the protections for vaccine companies, for vaccine developers like Pfizer and Moderna, who are basically...
Folks, they're exempt from being held responsible if their vaccines cause any injuries, right?
And when we pulled that, I just sent it to you during the break, it was actually more than I thought it was.
I thought it was around 60%.
It's closer to 68% who said that if this presidential candidate...
Supports removing these protections so that these vaccine companies will be held responsible when they put something on the market that hurts people, then I am more inclined to vote for them.
And these people, obviously, there was a huge link between that group of people, those voters, and people who were inclined to support RFK. So now that they have that power, it's not a campaign anymore.
They need to know how to direct it and how to use it, and it's constant vigilance.
Because believe me, Pfizer is not going to put the phone down.
Okay?
So for people out there like, ah, maybe I don't want to give my senator a call.
Pfizer is not going to put their phone down.
All right?
And for many of these people, their offices are revolving doors for those lobbyists and for those, you know, those voices that they have on K Street.
So it's a reality that they have to, that's got to set in quickly because obviously we're coming up on this stuff and they got to make effective use of that political will.
Because I got to tell you, some of the stuff that we pulled, Jack, I thought it would be a dud.
I thought most people didn't care about this stuff.
They do.
So if Trump gets these wins, his popularity is going to continue to climb.
It's unbelievable.
Wait, I could tell you the, I've said this on the show before, but I could tell you the exact moment that I knew it was real, was I'm walking through my house.
And I go into the kitchen.
And look, I had gone to a lot of the COVID rallies.
I did stuff with RFK and Dr. Malone years ago, way before the election and all this.
I knew it was a thing.
I knew it was a real thing.
But when I found out how big it was, was the day, about a year ago, I guess, when I walked into my...
And I see Tanya Tay sitting there watching the Joe Rogan experience on her phone.
And I was like, sweetheart, like...
I don't think I've ever seen you listen, unless it was something we were listening to on a drive together.
I've never seen her on her own just sit down and watch a Joe Rogan podcast.
And I said, what are you watching there?
And she goes, I'm just watching Joe Rogan.
I'm like, well, why are you watching Rogan for?
And she goes, it's fine, by the way.
It's just not something she normally does.
And she goes, well, I'm listening to this RFK episode.
And that RFK episode, and I said, well, what made you want to listen to that?
And she goes, All the moms in my mom group are talking about it.
They can't stop talking about it.
They're all listening to it.
It's all the way in.
Then after that, the other data point that I got was, so RFK and I share a publisher over at Skyhorse, and not to get into it too much, but when his book came out, I mean, the reason the New York Times had to eventually put it on the list was because it was literally just selling more books than any other book that anyone had seen in time.
It was just selling and selling and selling and selling like crazy, and yet nobody would give it the credit.
Nobody would actually admit how many books it was selling.
That's how propagandized we are as a country, that RFK Jr. could have the number one book of the year, and nobody would give him any credit.
And same deal with when he went on the Joe Rogan.
I'm sure it was one of his biggest episodes ever.
And that's when I knew, okay, this thing is bigger than anyone wants to give it credit for.
Yeah, I should have known better, too, because so many of us have those anecdotes.
And, you know, 25% told us that they knew somebody personally close to them that had suffered some kind of rather severe adverse consequence from a vaccine or having a vaccine injury.
And that's a lot, Jack.
If you were to pull that on the flu or something, it would be almost minuscule.
So why wouldn't we expect this to be something that people care about?
And again, a lot of liberals do.
A lot of people who would otherwise call themselves Democrats in Pennsylvania but could vote for Trump in a general election, they did, right?
And when we polled this group of people constantly, they just have this, you know, I don't know, it's not disgruntled, they're not disgruntled, they just don't like either party.
So, I hate to say it, it's just the truth.
Trump and the MAGA movement needed RFK as a bridge to build a bridge to these people.
And it was enormously helpful for him to do it because we're talking not really about politics.
Everybody cares about their health.
I mean, everyone's got a father who's got, you know, health issues or a son or a child or they themselves.
Like, these are the lives of people in our family who are the closest and mean the most dear to us.
So, of course, they care about their health.
I mean, I really kind of disappointed in myself that I was surprised, you know, when I saw those results because it's a very politically powerful issue.
It's won Democrats for years used against Republicans.
And then after Obamacare, it just kind of fell off the grid.
Yeah, think about that.
Wait, wait, Rich.
Rich, think about that.
Rich, think about it.
This is something we should get out of the data.
I'm going to give you some homework, Rich, for the People's Pundit.
Did Republicans actually win on health for the first time in every presidential election?
Is it possible that Republicans actually won on health because of Donald Trump and RFK Jr.?
Rich Barris, the People's Pundit.
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