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Happy Thought Crime Thursday.
For those of you that would know, one day we'll tell the story of what really happened today on campus.
Quite a day, right, Tyler?
It was a great day.
It was a great day from God, praise God.
Blake is here.
Howdy.
How was your day, Blake?
Mine was pretty good.
I don't even know what happened, actually.
No, I'm confused.
It's good stuff.
We just had a lot of good things happening.
You didn't know?
I don't know anything.
No one tells me things.
It was just a great day.
Jack is here.
Jack, welcome.
How are we doing?
Doing well, of course.
I'm sorry, Blake, I am sworn to secrecy, so I am not able to divulge the contents of what happened today until the opportune time.
A real gentleman doesn't kiss and tell.
That's right.
Blake, what's our first topic?
Our first topic today, Charlie, Donald Trump.
He's on trial in New York.
He's being threatened with jail for contempt because he just keeps truthing up a storm.
And a lot of fans say, they've been saying this for a few weeks at this point, that Donald Trump should call the judge's bluff and intentionally try to go to jail for contempt.
A lot of people are saying, or they were saying he should go to Barron's graduation and make them throw him in jail for that.
That's now happened, but some people are saying he should just say whatever he wants and if they send him to jail, that's a good thing.
Is it actually a good thing?
I am of the increasing opinion of the Nelson Mandela effect.
I really do.
And Tyler, I want you to take this.
Do you see that in the ground, in the grassroots?
I think it makes him more sympathetic.
Let me tell you why.
Because it'd be one thing if the country was not completely falling apart economically, but the stuff that, excuse my language, piss people off the most, like high rent, high gas, high credit card, is not going away.
And I think people, they get crushed with their bills every night.
And then they see Trump going to jail.
It's kind of like a super insult to them.
Like, for someone who's not as politically sophisticated, it feels and sounds like, I can't pay my rent and you guys are wasting your time with this.
It seems as if that's the way that a lot of Americans are processing it.
Tyler, what do you think?
Yeah, I mean, we've seen it.
I mean, so far this election cycle, I mean, the story of 2024 when I think in the history books is going to be every time they came at Donald Trump, he got more popular with the base, with conservative movement, with independents.
And so I think that the Democrats are really looking at this and they're not, they're not unified on the decision to jail Trump.
It's the ultra, ultra radical part of the party.
And so just like our, you know, our law corrupt chants, Right?
That probably would have actually made Hillary Clinton- But here's the provocative question.
If he gets acquitted or a hung jury, does that help him as much as a conviction?
Totally.
The question is, which one actually, or is it both the same?
My personal opinion is, I understand why the base thinks it would be awesome for, like, Trump, the ultimate rebel, to go to jail.
I would say right now, I lean towards it being a bad idea for a few reasons.
First of all, Trump, I think, is kind of ahead right now.
Like, he's up.
Biden seems to be imploding.
Most of the polling is good.
We're kind of fluctuating around a good point here.
And Trump going to jail, above everything else, it is...
Unpredictable it's on it.
We just can't really know what would happen.
It's sort of like an event horizon You just don't know what is beyond that and so it could be good, but it could also be really bad It could be that a lot of normal people who are following this lightly would just see this and be like whoa Trump's in jail he must have done the thing really bad that the judge did that and And they won't necessarily follow the whole, like, oh, yeah, the gag order he's on was, like, BS, and they did all this stuff to, like, throw him in.
They would just think, oh, he did a clownish thing, and now he's in jail, and then they're going to convict him.
And that might be the only way he goes to jail, because even if they convict him, they have to do sentencing, he can appeal, like, he almost certainly will not be in a cell before Election Day unless he intentionally does it.
Do you think that the coverage of this doesn't seem to be penetrating polling or mainstream opinion?
Maybe I live in a bubble.
It's really boring, I think.
That's a big part of it.
Without video.
Do you think if there was video, it would hurt him?
It's not on TV.
Maybe.
So Jack, if it was on video, this would have been one of the most watched things ever.
To see like Trump in trial, Stormy Daniels.
Do you think the fact that we're just getting sketches and first-hand reports from journalists, what do you think?
Well, so there's two parts of it, right?
Obviously, number one, look, why was the Johnny Depp trial so big?
Why was the O.J.
trial so big?
Why were all of these, again, state-level trials, Kyle Rittenhouse, another state-level trial, they were all televised.
And then with the power of social media, which obviously didn't exist during O.J.' time.
But with the power of social media and all those other cases, the clips go viral when you see these high profile cases at the state level put on television and then we get the video out.
Now, under New York, for whatever reason, this is a state level case and yet it's not televised.
And that's the first reason that this is just getting no traction whatsoever with the media, because otherwise you'd be getting these clips of Stormy Daniels, and the left would be pushing that.
But then Trump's defense team would be cross-examining her and she'd be tripped up.
And then that side would be pushing that.
Or Trump would make some kind of face and BS kind of comment.
And then we'd all be talking about it right now on Thoughtcrime.
But of course not, because we're not getting clips.
So that's how the world works right now, is everybody gets their clips out.
It's like congressional hearings.
However, there's the second part of it, too, is that no one can actually under, like, explain what the crime is.
And when I say no one, I don't mean the people here who, like, we're, like, political wonks for a living, and, you know, we're all involved in the process in one way or another.
It's because the average person who's watching this, I think they're understanding that.
And I've talked to people about this who are kind of like outside of the, what you were just saying, like outside of the bubble.
And they're like, so he went to jail for having, or they want to put him in jail for having an affair with a stripper or something?
Like, why is that a crime?
It's, you know, did he pay her?
Like, well, no, but he paid her not to talk about it.
So, okay, but also why is that a crime?
Did he try to cover it up?
Well, no, not really.
And so it's so confusing to the average person what exactly the crime is that it just kind of plays out like a Stormy Daniels thing from, and again, she's been around for like eight years.
This is not a new story.
There's nothing new that's being revealed here.
There's no new cast of characters.
In fact, the interesting characters, like Michael Avenatti, are in jail and can't even be a part of this.
It's totally not rating, and if anything it's just backfiring because of everything Blake just said.
Blake, you had a thought.
So, I think Jack's correct.
It is a case no one who's not paying a ton of attention can really understand.
What I'm not sure of is whether that is overall good or bad, because If it's something no one can understand, that means they also can't quite understand that it's a total joke.
I've often said to you, of the four criminal cases against Trump, this is, in my opinion, by far the most legally BS one.
That Mar-a-Lago, like, it's ticky-tack, but it sort of, like, is a crime if you did it.
Uh, Georgia, is bullcrap, but it's more marginal bullcrap.
This one is just a true Soviet-style, we have invented a crime that no one has ever been charged with before, and no one else will ever be charged with this again, just invented to take out one guy.
It is an appalling case.
And as Jack says, the details of it are so confusing, I don't think that we'll get through.
So if he does get convicted, it won't be super bad.
People won't think, oh, he's guilty of murder or, you know, massive corruption.
But they will think, oh yeah, he committed a crime, I don't like, we shouldn't elect a criminal president.
I just think there's gonna be this 10 to 15 percent normie blob of the public that is just, in an old-fashioned way, going to be pretty offended by the idea of a criminal being the president.
And we have to worry about that, and that's why I don't think Trump should, you know, lean into getting thrown in jail, because I don't think he's quite that level of folk hero with a majority of the population.
Definitely with his supporters, but they support him anyway.
So I don't think you should race into that.
And one thing about it is, I think if he goes to jail for contempt, he increases the odds that he gets convicted.
Like, I think that will make the jury turn more against him.
And so you shouldn't embrace that.
I think we should have the goal of, don't get convicted here.
So I have a question, though.
Just real quick.
The Normie left, though.
Does the Normie left abandon voting and Biden because of a conviction?
You see what I'm saying?
So the normie right, okay, says, eh, I don't know, there's a more middle-of-the-road left element here that sees the radicalness of, like, the... I don't know.
You mean the principle of it?
I would say it's more of, like, the... they go RFK.
Can I... yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But, like, more of the protest... But that's the same thing, though.
That's good.
That's civil rights Democrats.
Civil Rights Democrats that are like pro-abortion, pro-constitution, but might be like sympathetic with some Republican like tax stuff?
Let me just give you, let me tell you, I was on the plane last night and I'm watching a person who is wearing a mask scroll through CNN, okay?
And I'm watching this and I'm watching this scroll and it was just really interesting watching them what they stopped on, right?
And obviously like half the stories are about Trump.
Every story about Trump is, like, fast scroll through.
Fast scroll through.
Stopped on something stupid.
Fast scroll through Trump.
Something stupid.
This person had a mask on.
On a plane.
Right?
And so, I just don't... You spent the entire flight watching this person.
Oh, yeah.
That's what I do.
I sit behind people on a plane.
You can learn a lot.
I sit behind people on a plane.
They hold it up.
I'll admit it.
I've done it a million times.
So, but, like, I'm watching this person, and this is clearly a leftist, because they're wearing a mask.
The only people that wear masks on planes right now are self-avowed leftists.
But they're not reading and, like, guzzling the information on Trump's stuff, right?
So what that tells me is, like, the normie left is, like, really going to get really worn out about this for the next six months.
I don't know.
Anyway, sorry, I didn't want to interrupt.
Go ahead, Jack.
It's just really interesting that I witnessed that last night.
I have a question for Blake, actually, because I get the sense you've been following the trial.
I've been following the trial as well.
And you mentioned something a couple of times that I hadn't even really considered.
I got a phone call from someone today who is like not a, you know, regular Trump supporter, but, you know, someone I'm friends with and, you know, from the D.C.
area.
And it was like, you know, there's a real chance that Trump actually gets acquitted or there is a hung jury here because the case is just so incredibly bad.
And I wanted to ask, have you been following it and were you coming to that conclusion as well based on how bad the case is?
The New York case is weird because what's so bad about it is kind of at a higher level where I don't know the whole process for appeals, but it's something that should just not be on trial.
It is the sort of thing that there should be a federal judge or some level of judge who comes in and says, this is an obvious miscarriage of justice and we are not allowing this travesty to happen.
Where you are Again, for anyone who hasn't followed this in New York, what they are doing is, they are saying that Donald Trump made hush money payments to someone and he falsified business records to do this.
That is a crime, a felony, because he's doing it to cover up another crime.
It's only a felony if you're covering up- They can't tell you what that other crime is.
So, it's only a felony if you're covering up another felony.
So the felony they're alleging is that he broke federal election law.
Which means, one, New York is prosecuting him for supposedly breaking laws in a totally separate jurisdiction that's not New York State.
Two, that is a crime he's never been prosecuted for.
He's never been charged with it.
He's certainly never been convicted of it.
And not only that, it's even worse than just they haven't done it.
They investigated this, they considered it, and they declined to press charges.
So this is an offense he has explicitly been cleared of.
And then New York is just saying, actually, we think you did it, and so we're going to prosecute you for this.
And even then, it would be a bullcrap case.
Because it would be saying, any money you spend that can help your reputation is actually a campaign expenditure, which would be a massive expansion of what we count as a campaign expenditure.
Every level of this is completely insane.
Whether the jury recognizes that, I don't think we're going to get an acquittal.
This is a New York jury.
It's going to have some like rabid... You might get a hung jury.
You can get one person.
One person could be a hung jury.
What I wonder is, would that be enough to make the left decide, we need to get rid of unanimous juries, we need 10-2, something like that.
Which they have, until now, really hated.
They've always hated it because You can, uh, it makes it more likely that people go to jail, basically.
And, of course, the left loves having criminals be out of jail, as long as they just murder people or rob people and aren't just politicians they dislike.
The left is evil, man.
They're really bad.
Jack, do you have a thought here?
Well, I was gonna say, Jonathan Turley, you know, all credit, because he's termed this the Rube Goldberg machine of indictments.
And that's really what it is, so if people don't know what the Rube Goldberg machine is, that's like when you're... I know, Ruth.
I've met her before, actually.
She wasn't that terrible.
But yeah, I mean, there's a whole... Not that Ruth.
No, Rube Goldberg.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's one of those machines that's like... I'm sorry, I thought you meant the reporter for the Washington Post.
No, it's where you have like the ten different things to just like pour a glass of milk.
No, no.
Isn't there a Ruth that writes for the Washington Post?
Ruth Marcus.
Ruth Marcus.
I'm sorry.
That's exactly like Rube Goldberg.
I'm sorry.
Exactly the same, Charlie.
Yeah.
No, that's like, that's like you ever watch those movies and it's like the inventor and he's like, he's got this or like Honey, I Shrunk the Kids is like this with Rick Moranis in the beginning.
And it's, you know, he's like, you know, it's a machine that like brushes your teeth when you wake up, but it makes the toast and cracks the eggs.
And it's just all these crazy little devices for, you know, producing these mundane tasks.
And it's basically this contraption that's completely put together by like duct tape and spit and bubble gum and doesn't seem like it should be serious or ever taken seriously by any actual person.
And yet that's the kind of indictment that Alvin Bragg has brought.
The Rube Goldberg.
And that's their hope.
So my thought is we should not lean into enabling this machine by saying like, oh, we're going to intentionally go to jail.
I understand where it comes from, but I think it would be a mistake.
I think.
All right, next topic, what do we got?
Our next topic, this is an interesting one.
We talked about the other day, like, is there a vibe shift hitting America?
And a mark of this, there's a specific story we're talking about, is there's this story out of California, and so in 2020, Actually the full story here is pretty great in 2017 these three boys had like a sleepover, and I guess they're zoomers So what do you do if you're a zoomer having a sleepover you like get a mud facial mask to like beat acne?
you know like a woman or something.
Anyway, they did this and they took a photo of it.
And then three years later, a habitual criminal drug addict expired beneath the knee of a Minneapolis police officer.
So naturally, that meant that they needed to go and dig up this photo that these boys took three years before.
And then they expelled them from their Catholic school From a Catholic high school?
From a Catholic high school.
They got expelled for this.
But weren't they getting facial treatments or something?
Yeah, it's a facial treatment for acne.
But that's blackface now?
They said it was blackface.
But they're retreating from this, aren't they?
The school is under huge fire, right?
So the news story now is they sued, and they just managed to win a $1,000,000 award.
They actually won the case, not even a settlement.
So they got $500,000 in damages for two of the boys, and then $70,000 worth of tuition returned as well.
And obviously that's great, but the question is, does it represent more than a one-off?
Does it represent a vibe shift for America?
Well, I will say this, I mean, I think there's an over-prosecution of quote-unquote, like, racist cultural crimes, and I think that there is a vibe shift.
I also think that when you flood the zone calling everything racist, nothing becomes racist, obviously.
And I would, yeah, I just, I think that if you tell this story to a normal person, they get outraged about it.
And they get outraged that these kids got kicked out of school, and I think that the same sort of thing, I mean, For example, this kid at Ole Miss, he got kicked out of his fraternity.
He hasn't been kicked out of school yet, but I got so many emails from Ole Miss alumni insanely mad that this is even an issue.
That's a big deal, though.
But in 2020, that's not how people reacted.
People lost their minds in 2020.
No, meaning in 2020, alumni would have been like, oh, well, you know, if you're racist, you have to pay a price for it.
Here's a thought-provoking question.
What if it had been blackface?
Again, I'm not a big believer in destroying people's lives over blackface, even if it is legit blackface.
Now, again, context matters, but I cannot see a context where other than if you are, especially if you're a kid, but if you're an adult and you're wearing blackface and you're doing it to try to be racist to a black person, that's a separate issue.
But I don't, meaning like...
And has that ever happened?
No, I just want to qualify it, which is what...
For example, Sarah Silverman wore blackface, and Joy Behar wore blackface, and they haven't had their careers cancelled.
It's selective cultural enforcement, and I don't think there should be a kid, let's say those kids were wearing blackface, I don't think those kids should have been cancelled.
I don't.
You should maybe get a speech about why that's a bad idea.
Like oh, yeah, you should you know that might have hurt someone's feelings be careful like or like maybe suspended or whatever it is But like I do not understand there, but it's a death penalty It is a generational death and I would just go to the point of saying like a thing that I don't think people can explain is it's truly Like this blackface thing.
It's a taboo because rationally think about it.
What is the harm from this?
Well, the harm of wearing blackface?
Yeah!
Well, I mean, there really is not a victim except being somewhat maybe insensitive, or... And even then, like, the insensitivity is so many levels removed.
The reason blackface is considered bad is because more than a hundred years ago, we had blackface minstrel shows.
So I'm not even familiar with that.
Well, I know what you mean now.
I didn't realize that was the connection.
So yeah, they would do these blackface minstrel shows where you'd have white performers and make fun of black people.
So it was a whole genre of comedy.
And that's where you'd get like, you know, that kind of offensive blackface minstrel speak.
You know, they kind of talk like.
I don't I don't want to imitate it but like they talk almost like Jar Jar Binks or something.
I don't like or support that obviously.
But it's like that was what they did.
And then that turned into how they portrayed black people and like advertisements and everything else.
There was like the whole chicken restaurant that had that scene.
They're really over the top like in black dialect.
They have a toothpaste. - Yeah, yes, yeah.
And so that's what the origin of it was, is like, that was hurtful.
And I agree, it would be hurtful if someone blacked up their face and then went on television and started to do this schtick again.
That would be pretty offensive.
But it's almost like they've invented this massive taboo just spinning off from that.
And I think it's exhaustion with that sort of thing that we're seeing grip more and more of society.
Like, you'll even see some people do it to try to do transgressive humor.
I think you should have the right to do transgressive humor.
It might even fail sometimes.
But we're talking about kids in school.
Yeah, even more so then.
Jack, you have a thought.
Well, I was gonna say that the thing that it reminds me of Is this similar to, I guess, the situation with the frat boy at, um, I believe it was Ole Miss and, you know, or at least I don't know if he was, or I guess he was a frat boy.
He's been kicked out of his frat for, I guess, you know, he was part of a group that was taunting this, uh, black pro Hamas, um, you know, pro Hamas person.
And the question is, you know, was he really making racial tones?
I don't think so.
And, and, you know, or even if it was, You know, the question is, like, are you really going to cancel him over that versus, like, pulling him off?
Like, I think a good way, there's this economist, Brian Kaplan, who's a libertarian, but sometimes when they have a cancel frenzy, he likes to ask, like, okay, rationally speaking, is this worse than a husband cheating on his wife and, like, leaving her and his kids to be with his mistress?
Something that, one, happens all the time, two, people often remain friends with those who do it, and, like, three, we allow public figures to do it and basically suffer no criminal or even not much social sanction for it.
And so, is anything like this, is doing blackface and having a photo of it appear on Twitter worse than that?
Is making like a King Kong noise at a protest worse than that?
And I would say in both cases the answer is no.
Yeah, I agree.
And at the least, we are, and for that matter, we're more forgiving of people who like commit assault and robbery, or who point guns at women's abdomens and then later become career criminals.
We have some sort of bizarre moral hierarchy problem where something that makes people kind of mildly uncomfortable in their stomach is treated as this grave moral atrocity and I think it's because the ultimate sin is thou shall not be racist.
Yes, and like I think if we have a collective exhaustion with that And maybe we see that in the form of this jury ruling, or when you might see it in the sense of even, like, the roast of Tom Brady.
Like, the roast of Tom Brady had all of these transgressive jokes, and everyone seems to agree that it was amazing and hilarious.
That can be a good sign, and we see more comedians just making extremely anti-woke humor part of their brand.
And if this continues, we can win, I think.
So I agree.
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What do we have next?
All right, so the hook story on this was we have this new study out of the UK from the Center for Policy Studies, which sounds like the fakest organization in the world, which they studied immigration into the United Kingdom.
And they found, surprise, surprise, that all of the immigration that was going to save their economy and their pension system and everything Actually had basically no positive effect on their economic growth, but it was driving up housing costs because London is an incredibly crowded city and they can't build anything because you can't build anything in modern countries anymore.
So let me ask you, when I go on campus, a activist or a student will commonly say, Well, immigrants are a net benefit to society and they are, the refugees, they'll pay into society, they'll pay taxes.
Where do they get that?
Is that just a complete fabrication?
Is that a lie?
Where do they get that from?
Charles and David Koch.
Okay, so what do you mean by that?
I'm just saying that that's where it came from.
So studies funded by... Our side was the one that, like, served that up on a silver platter.
Like, the left, like, literally looked around.
They're like, wait, you want, you want to, you want to pay for all this?
Okay, great.
And so we spent 10 years telling everybody that that false notion that... Which Bernie Sanders said famously once.
He said open borders is a co-policy.
Yeah, exactly.
So, Blake, can you answer that question?
Because, I mean, they say it with such authority, and I can do my best in broad generalities, but they say, no, studies show, studies show, and you look it up, there are a amount of quote-unquote studies that allegedly show that immigrants are net benefits.
Is that true?
So, first of all, it's always really vague, and they never bother to try to fine-tune it to ensure the maximum quality.
So you can say, oh, yeah, you know, X number of top companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants.
Often true.
Or, you know, they'll work this amount, and that'll often just account for the fact that they might come here like they're disproportionately of working age, so they're more likely to work.
We don't have as many people come here who are one year old or 75 years old.
But when we check the numbers in some countries, especially in Europe, it's actually like worse than here where they just love to admit people who are a total drag on their country.
Like they'll run the numbers in Germany and Afghan migrants and such who they let in, you know, a million of them in 2015, a million, half a million, some big number like that.
And something like only 62% of them have any form of employment years later.
It's almost been a decade now.
There's like 10-15% below overall German adults.
And then these adults from Afghanistan, way less likely to work.
And then when they do work, they work for less, and the ones who are not working are more likely to be on XYZ social program.
But that's not what this discussion is about, Charlie.
We're going to talk about something more important.
So this is the UK.
The UK is getting absolutely flooded by immigrants from the entire planet.
No one can afford.
Their economy is a total disaster.
The Conservative Party is going to get completely wrecked.
So the question is, all the English-speaking countries are clearly in decline.
Which English-speaking country is in the worst decline?
The worst decline.
And I'm going to be, just so people know, I'm going to be putting up a live poll right now that we're going to be conducting.
So you mean birthrate decline?
No, straight up, like, which of these countries from our read do we just feel is declining the worst?
Now, just to quick outline them.
Britain, we've got, uh, they're absolutely being flooded by migrants from Africa and India and a million other places.
A lot of them don't work.
They have, like, these city councilors who are Muslim and chanting Allah Akbar on the Leeds City Council.
Uh, very strong sense of, like, moral decay.
Absolutely no one goes to church there.
Uh, many people go to mosque.
Canada.
Canada, we have mass euthanasia.
They love their, uh, suicide death pods.
We have abortion up until birth.
Uh, They are now, like, letting- they basically have open borders in Canada now, so they've let in, like, a million and a half young men in the past year, so they now have a, uh, male-female sex ratio that resembles those Asian countries where they abort all of their girls before birth.
America...
We have Joe Biden.
Ireland, Ireland is an underrated one.
They're a total head case here because they're kind of having this like, uh, Hick-lib, post-Catholic, weirdo guilt thing, where they've decided that being a Christian country all those years was a big mistake, and they're acting out in a really wild way now.
Like, abortion was banned in Ireland a decade ago, and now they're basically running around being like, abort everything!
We have to take God out of our constitution!
We have to send Satanists to Eurovision.
They're being really loopy.
And then, Australia's kind of going to be a Chinese colony, but they're probably ahead of the rest of us.
So you're asking me which one I pick?
So, wait, wait, wait.
Which one is doing the steepest decline?
You guys keep interrupting each other.
I don't know what you're talking about.
What's the steepest decline?
Which country's doing worse?
Canada.
Canada?
Ooh.
Canada's the worst?
That's, I mean, of all the ones you just laid out?
Yeah.
Either Canada or Ireland would be my choice.
Okay.
How about you, Jack?
Well, so, here's my question.
I can only do four choices for the Twitter poll.
So, um, what, which four should we choose?
I would do America, Ireland, Canada, UK.
I don't, I don't think New Zealand or Australia are really going.
Okay, take out, take out the Anzac.
Well, we're going to, no, we're going to let people poll.
Uh, we are going to conduct this poll right now.
It's very official, very serious poll that I'm going to launch right now on Twitter.
And then we're going to come back to at the very end of the episode.
Okay.
So again, UK, US, Ireland, Canada.
I would lean.
Canada is really bad.
Canada is the one that has their national identity as being more liberal than the U.S.
And that's getting really hard because the most liberal parts of the U.S. are really, really liberal.
And so I feel like Canada, it's really going off the deep end.
On the other hand, it is Canada, they have essentially unlimited natural resources, so they have a way to come back.
Whereas Britain, all Britain has ever had is human capital.
Otherwise, there's not a lot that's nice about the British Isles.
There's no sun.
The sun has set on the British Empire.
The sun has set on the British Empire, and so you're just gonna have these sad limeys hanging around in this once great country.
Britain's pretty bad, man.
I don't really know what to pick, but America's the source of a lot of this rot, and so it feels like we're pretty messed up, too.
But it depends on how you define English-speaking.
Like, most European countries, English-speaking.
Like, German is English-speaking.
Well, we mean, like, you know, the Anglo-sphere, as we call it.
The Anglo-sphere.
Do we mention Australia?
I think Canada's the worst.
Canada's a strong country.
Canada just said they're bringing in 10 million people.
Yeah.
Yeah, how do you feel about this?
Is Australia on the board?
Well, they're not in the poll.
That was my judgment call.
I just feel Australia's not as screwed as the other ones yet.
But they might be.
They are kind of a Chinese colony, but so are we in some ways.
No, China's like taking over Australia.
They are.
One of the creepiest ones.
You hear about this all the time in Australia.
So they have all these Chinese university students just like we do.
And it's just absolute naked corruption where they know, like, don't fail the Chinese students.
And so I've heard accounts from Australian academics where someone will come in and they'll have their English paper and they'll feed it through, like, translate this using Google to Chinese and then back to English.
And then they submit it.
So it all comes out, you know, not clear.
And then it's like auto A because I was one of the Chinese students can't fail them.
Well, that's the same thing that's happening in Europe, though.
So like all the African countries Buy their students way into the universities and so they don't fail they have an incentive to not fail and then plus like in Eastern Europe like they take all the all the professors take bribes and So there's literally no educating going on in Europe that's of real value and that you have all these foreign countries and foreign entities paying for a higher price.
And this is what's happening to our education system too.
It's terrible.
It's that point where you realize all the complaints liberals make, where they're like, the U.S., the capitalist economic system is corrupt and exploitative and produces nothing, and you realize it's because they're in academia, which is full of liberals, and therefore actually is all of those things.
Or like Hollywood, like they'll just say sexual harassment is in every industry because the industry they run, Hollywood, actually has tons of it.
Is it the case, Jack, that, let's take Canada, not that it's the worst, but is it the nicety and the pleasant nature of these countries that is then used against them?
A bunch of the comments are saying this is a trick question because Canada's already ruined, and so we should go to the next one.
UK is in the lead right now.
UK has taken a commanding lead to begin with, Canada in second, United States in third, In last place, some of the comments are just, look at the comments on Rumble as well.
Franklin's in there.
Poland's in there.
Let's see, he said, no Blake, that's just where the power structure is set up.
Surrounded by third world countries, India and China.
I think he's talking about Australia there.
People are saying UK or Canada.
Denny A. Wright is saying we should annex Canada like in Fallout before they go full commie.
UK is doomed.
Yeah, a lot of people saying Canada, England.
And yeah, they're really talking about how in in Canada, the cops are defending the Palestinian protesters over Israel.
I mean, Canada is just.
Yeah, Charlie, to your point, your original question, it is because of the sort of like Canadian niceness and agreeableness and which is which has really turned into a aversion to confrontation.
And it's that same aversion to confrontation we see I want to just say before, I don't agree with what Anne said.
I don't think you should categorize people the way she did.
I think that has led to just a huge problem in our society because we don't actually have people that are willing to confront any of these things.
All right.
We have a few options here, but how about we discuss Ann Coulter and Vivek's little bit here?
So just the...
I want to just say before, I don't agree with what Ann said.
I don't think you should categorize people the way she did.
I have to say that out of the gate.
All right.
I mean, that's good.
It's Just so people who haven't followed it, what's the number here on it?
So Vivek had Anne on his podcast, I believe, and she basically said, Vivek, I love all the stuff you're saying, I just can't vote for you for one little reason.
What was the explanation she gave?
I'm not sure, but let's just play the clip.
Oh, 125.
So Anne, thanks for coming on, and I'm looking forward to our conversation today.
Me too.
Thanks for having me.
That was a fantastic opening monologue.
I too am a fan of yours.
I'm going to make a point of disagreeing with you so that it will be fun.
You are so bright and articulate and I guess I can call you articulate since you're not an American black.
Can't say that about them.
That's derogatory.
And that was a great opening segment.
Lots of things to talk about there.
Oh, and I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact, probably more than most other candidates when you were running for president.
But I still would not have voted for you because you're an Indian.
We'll get back to that.
Okay, her point was on birthright citizenship.
Well, not birthright citizenship, because he was born here, which is why he could run.
It's that she follows up, which I don't think we have this recorded, so I'll just read the quote.
She says, there is a core national identity of America, and that is the identity of the WASP, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
That doesn't mean we can't take anyone else in, a Sri Lankan or a Japanese or an Indian, that's what she said, but the core around which the nation's values are formed is the WASP.
We have never had a president who didn't have at least partial English ancestry, Coulter continued.
And she said that if any of Ramaswamy's children married a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution, then she would vote for those people for president.
I actually think she's mistaken, because I think, I actually, can I tell you what I actually think that she was trying to say?
I think she was trying to say there is this constant rumor that circulates about Vivek that he is, he is a subject of birthright citizenship, and I think she just literally didn't know, and that's what she was saying, and she followed it up with that, saying that because then she realized that he wasn't.
But I've seen it all over Twitter, where there's like people that say this in the circles that she runs in, which is just like these like pseudo 2MAGA anti-Trump circles, saying that he was disqualified because of that, and I think that that's literally what she was meaning.
I'm not saying that's okay, I'm just saying I think that she was just so misinformed and so stupid that she had to follow up with something even stupider with her statement.
I don't know.
Do you think that she was actually talking about the ethnicity?
I'm not sure.
Definitely in Audios America, which I've read, and everyone else watching, read Audios America.
It will possibly make you have a stroke in anger, but if you survive, you will understand what they are doing to this country.
Uh, but, a thing she really emphasizes is, like, that, you know, the nation of immigrants thing is a post-hoc invention that's relatively recent, that for most of America's history, it's, you know, British Isles, Germans, settlers, and Dutch.
Yeah, you know, and it's from a pretty narrow part of the country, and you can make the argument that that is where a lot of our special political culture comes from.
Like, the English legal tradition, the sort of, if you want to call it like, Protestant European conception of rights and government, and blah blah blah blah blah.
And I think, at the least, what is defensible is saying that before anyone is elevated to the presidency, we should have strong reason to believe that they have bought into and understand that legacy.
Now, are we picking people right now who do that?
That can be debated.
I saw a good tweet the other day that one of the best displays of multiculturalism is that Antonin Scalia, who by heritage would be like a peasant in Sicily, Can instead be on the Supreme Court and write about the great Anglo-Saxon legal tradition and how great it is and how important it is.
And that would be a triumph if we have Vivek doing that.
If Vivek is going on and saying, like, the British legal system is the greatest thing ever, and as an American, I am a proud inheritor of the Magna Carta.
Okay, but Horta and Coulter supported Mitt Romney, who's not a WASP, so what's her point?
Mitt Romney's, I mean, he would be a wasp.
He's a Mormon.
He is a Mormon, but wasp, I think she really basically means, like, ethnic.
And more, he would definitely be that, like, Mitt Romney, I assume.
Yeah, Mitt Romney from Massachusetts.
Mitt Romney's super duper English.
Hung out with all the wasps.
He's probably descended from, like, Huguenots or something.
He's super waspy for a Mormon.
He's definitely a wasp.
He's a Mormon, though.
I know, but he's a waspy Mormon.
You're being overly literal about, like, you can be waspy without having to literally be, like, Anglican.
Culturally, mega wasps.
Some of our worst presidents have been wasps.
For sure.
I don't understand the contention.
I think Anne is going for something more fundamental than that.
I'm telling you what I think.
I think she was trying to make up something afterwards because she was wrong and she literally was following nothing but tweets.
I disagree.
I disagree.
Do you think she meant it as she said it?
That we shouldn't support Indians for office?
No, I think she was I think she was being purposely, you know, bellicose to make a point and she knew it would go viral.
And this is something that she's done, you know, over throughout her entire career to make points by say something that's that's very belligerent, but also that cuts across to a deeper meaning.
And what she's I think the core of her argument, if you listen to the rest of what she's talking about, in and really, which is the core of Adios America, which she of course refers to in the podcast as well, is that if you
Change the demographics of America by letting in people from all different parts of the world, which is, you know, what we were talking about in the last segment, that don't have the same traditions, that don't have the same belief in the Bill of Rights, particularly the First Amendment and the Second Amendment, from countries that have just no experience with them or no understanding of them, that eventually you will get a body politic that does not actually support those things anymore.
And that is More than anything else, more than anything else more than like communism and and Gramsci and all of these things on campus that is driving the changes that we see right now is because we're bringing in so many people that have no direct tie to our traditions and have no background whatsoever from our tradition.
So I don't think it was necessarily A thing where she was saying like, oh, I don't support you because of your race.
I think it was more of a broader point that she's been making for a decade now.
But I mean, but when, when does, what bothers me about what Anne said?
Okay, fine.
It's like, has Vivek not demonstrated that he believes what we believe?
Okay.
I mean, does she not, does she think he's not on immigration?
Can I ask a question?
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Vivek has said pretty strong stuff in immigration.
Maybe I'm mistaken.
Can I ask one question about Ann Coulter and her past and her history?
Because this probably dates back to her book.
Are you going to mention that she dated Dinesh D'Souza?
Yeah, so Dinesh D'Souza.
So I know this, so I won't say, we won't talk about that, but there's a very tight circle of people that are friendly with that whole crowd.
So you've got that all went to college together, right?
That are all super close in that era.
And again, oh, we could get into this.
I mean, I don't want to expose my source on all this.
So Laura Ingram and Dinesh D'Souza both went to Dartmouth and dated.
I don't think Ann Coulter did not go to Dartmouth.
No, I understand, but they were all super close.
So you have Laura, and then you have Harmeet Dhillon, and you have Dinesh, and you have this whole group.
But she was also a huge supporter, if I'm not mistaken, of Herman Cain.
So 999?
I don't know if she was a supporter.
Really?
I'm clawing way back to the Herman Cain era.
I'll look it up.
Man, I forgot.
And she was on all over Herman Cain.
And so my question for you is how does that conflict with the Waspie statement?
Because he's definitely not Waspie.
Didn't you date Jimmy Walker?
I mean, I think Anne's always had a bit where she, you know, she does like to emphasize that black Americans are very American.
And, you know, so you can say like.
Yeah, but that wasn't her statement about the Waspie statement.
True, true, true.
I think she's trying to dig herself out of a provocative box.
It could be, it could be.
And I like Ann Coulter.
It is funny that when she said, you know, she says, partial English ancestry, which even Obama has.
In fact, I'm just, I'm sure Herman Cain does, too.
Let's play the verbatim.
JFK did not have British ancestry.
Yeah, he was all Irish, wasn't he?
Let's play Kyle's argument.
- How many came as black in the Obama? - A British Isles argument? - Let's play cut 144. - Why am I the only person who can actually offer legal argument for why we should be able to end birthright citizenship without a constitutional amendment?
And so the irony to me is... I can answer that.
I can answer that.
Yeah.
It's because of the color of your skin.
And I don't mean... I'm saying you are inoculated, you know, for someone who looks like she's straight from the hip.
I disagree with that.
I'm going to be back at you, Steve.
I'm going to hit you hard for that.
That is because the rest of you are freaking lazy.
Cowards!
And the conservative movement has grown lazy.
Cowards!
People in this country have common sense.
What we really lack is courage.
So I'm not going to buy some BS that, like, my last name or my skin color insulates me.
Think about it, I had to step down from my seat... No, but that's the perception.
You have balls, but other people won't criticize you.
We'll just level at this, we're having some fun here.
I stepped down from a CEO of a company, a multi-billion dollar company that I founded, led a CEO, built it from scratch, wasn't born into money, and had a choice to do what every other biotech CEO was doing in the wake of George Floyd.
Chose not to do it, did not issue a statement in favor of BLM, because saving this country involves some measure of sacrifice.
So Jack, what's your thought on that?
Yeah, Crowder's 100% right there.
There's no question.
This is something that we've all faced at one point or another, you know, in America, right?
So, we've talked about that stuff on this program, on our separate programs, birthright citizenship, as well as illegals getting citizenship, various things that we've gone even further than that.
At times, stripping citizenship, And the issue is not whether or not we have the courage to say those things.
The issue is the fact that because of the color of our skin, which happens to be white or classified as white, that we don't get the same kind of pushback, or excuse me, we get pushback that a guy like Vivek or a guy like, you know, any, you know, what do you want to call it?
Any non-white conservative would not receive because we all get called racist for saying those things.
Whereas they don't get the same kind of pushback because they don't have white skin.
And it's as simple as that.
This is a basic form, and that's what Crowder is explaining right there, that this is a basic form of the anti-white regime that we have in this country that will always push back and will always go straight to that if you are white and espouse any of those statements.
Yeah, so I just want to make sure I understand.
Let's pretend that Anne wasn't saying this just for clicks, and she said it as bluntly, that I won't vote for an Indian, right?
But is Vivek not American?
She thinks that a country he wasn't born in is his country just because his parents are from that country?
Is that her position?
I would take the position I wouldn't vote for an Ohioan.
I'd vote for J.D.
Vance.
I'm just kidding.
I'd vote for J.D.
Vance.
For President?
For J.D.
Vance.
For President? 100%.
One day, J.D.
Vance for president, if he was on the ballot, yeah, of course.
I said every other day he is vice president.
I'm just teasing Ohioans.
I do think what she's partly getting at, that maybe she's misassigning it to him being Indian as opposed to something else, but there is a strong sense that Vivek, he is a strong upstart, so he doesn't have a super political background, and in the last four or five years.
He writes a few books criticizing like wokeness in business, runs for president when he's 36, 37, is pretty recently taking all of his views.
I remember he like hadn't really decided an immigration view even like a year ago.
So he's saying really based stuff now, but it's like, it's so quick that you could easily just say he essentially has, you know, consultants go, tell me what the most base thing to tell Republicans is right now to appeal to them.
Like there's a sense that Could he be, is he saying stuff we agree with?
Yes.
Does he seem to get it?
Yeah, he's doing it really well, but could he be, like, manipulating us as his path to, like, slingshot his way into a cabinet seat?
Into the vice presidency?
Into the White House?
I think the criticism of the—again, I don't want to—I will chalk it up to Anne's very impressive career on the topic, saying something either that clicks or that she doesn't actually necessarily mean, because I bet I could drill Anne down on this, where it's like, OK, if Vivek did everything he said he was going to do and he was running up against Like, Bernie Sanders, who's WASP-y, or he's Jewish, but I mean, like, let's just pick a WASP left winger, okay?
WASH.
Okay, who would you vote for, Ann Coulter?
Like, WASP-y socialist, you know, open borders, or Vivek?
So I just, I don't, I don't like that.
And on a funny level, it's kind of like, modern American politics, when you think about it, a huge portion of the conservative Republican electorate Is, like, non-wasp people who have assimilated to old wasp values while the wasps themselves have become these sort of secularized, you know, modernist liberals who have abandoned all of that?
Globalists.
So when you think of, who founded the Republican Party?
When the Republican Party was created, it was the most wasp thing to ever exist.
Pure Yankeedom.
All of these Episcopalians and Methodists in northern states.
And the descendants of those people are overwhelmingly pretty liberal.
And then the people who love the old Republican platform from 1860, 1880 are, you know, the children of Irish immigrants, Italian immigrants, German immigrants, these days, like Mexican immigrants.
Like you're getting sort of this latter day adoption of the old Yankee values.
And that's probably the best display of American multiculturalism.
So let me just say, the other question of this, did Vivek push back enough?
I actually, what, that's, I would say, if I, if somebody would have told me, I can't vote for you, Charlie, because you're a white person, I would explode on them.
What if they said that to you and you were in India?
If I was in India?
Well, it depends on what the Indian value system is.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
If I would have assimilated to Indian culture, like Vivek has assimilated to America... You would never win an election, though.
Well, okay, this is very hypothetical, but... India let an Italian become their prime minister!
Go ahead, guys.
No, sorry, I... No, no, you can keep going.
No, it's good.
No, keep going.
Keep going with that.
No, I was saying if I would have gone to India and India had the same values.
India doesn't have American values, though.
They don't treat outsiders very well.
They have a caste system.
That's what should make America a little different, is that it's about your value system, not about your skin color.
It should be.
Maybe that's not an ideal that we hold up anymore.
It's a bad example because Indians with the caste system don't really love English colonizers.
So I don't think, I think they have a bad rap.
So I think you're not gonna get elected an Indian or anything.
So it's not the same, right?
But I mean, I'll repeat this though, which is, I mean, the question is, did Vivek push back enough?
Well, I was just going to say, I think that she just is very representative.
She's very boomer-ish in how she looks at things.
How she responds to things is very boomer-ish.
She's like the cool boomer in the room, that all the boomers are like, that's the coolest boomer, and that are on our side, more conservative, like tea party-esque, whatever.
She just is very boomer in her immediate knee-jerk reaction responses.
And I think she just says stuff to kind of be Jack, where do you fall on this?
Do you think Vivek pushed back enough?
great like your point is exactly right charlie it's like why would you take a open borders you know coke product like like uh blake was saying like super lib waspy guy over a vape who's like heading towards the right direction does it make sense jack where do you fall on this do you think vape pushed back enough
so i've heard that argument a couple of times and i remember people saying this as well in the Tucker Carlson Putin argument.
Oh, he didn't push back enough.
Tucker didn't push back enough.
He didn't push back.
I come down this on the side of an interviewer, right?
If you're an interviewer and you're doing a show, Charlie, you have people on all the time.
And the question of like, did you push back more?
It's like, well, I look at it this way.
Did I bring someone on with the intention?
Did I, you know, did I book it as a debate?
Did I explain it was going to be a debate?
Or did I say it was going to be an interview and I'm interested in actually seeing what that person has to say?
And so those are two separate things.
If I'm interested in what that person has to say, I'm not going to push back because then you're going to get more information out of them.
Then you're going to be able to actually have a more free-flowing conversation, an open conversation.
But the minute you start pushing back, the minute you start attacking someone, That's when your physical and mental defenses start raising up.
You crush your arms.
You lean back more.
Your body language completely changes.
Your micro-expressions change.
So you're going to have a completely different situation.
So I think it's a false argument when people say, oh, you didn't push back enough.
And it's something that I just don't, yeah, I don't really hold against interviewers.
And I don't think I ever will.
Do you think you should have pushed back more?
It was his show.
She came on.
I think they've interacted before.
Yeah.
It was a little weird.
I'm never going to say someone was really awful because they didn't get really mad because it's...
It's good to have mastery over your emotions.
It might be a little too slick where he's just like saying like, ah, you know, Anne says her thing, but we were just saying don't, I guess don't flip out about things that are allegedly racist.
And maybe we should include explicitly saying, I will not let you do things because of your race.
Yeah, I just, I mean, I don't, I think it's just, it's un, it's needlessly like shallow where it's like, okay, Anne, would you rather have like a left-wing WASP president Or someone like Vivek who's a Hindu who might do like really based things.
Yeah.
I guess not.
I suppose that the policy doesn't mean as much to her.
Does that worry you at all I guess?
Like America has, every president we've had has at least nominally been Christian.
Does America lose something if we have a president who is just not Christian?
I asked, I mean I talked to Vivek about this recently.
And he espouses a form of Hinduism that is dualism or non-dualism, meaning he says he's a monotheist.
So there's a separate part of Hinduism that is monotheism.
You'll see this with modern Hinduism.
They'll say all the gods are manifestations of a single divine essence.
So that bothers me less because polytheism is directly at odds with ethical monotheism.
But, no, I mean, I would take Vivek over, like, David French in a second for president.
Would you?
Yeah, I think so, probably.
Like, David French is, like, a Christian, right?
Or, I mean, the guy that wrote this, like, ridiculous book.
David French... Or how about Joe Scarborough, who pretends he's a Christian every morning on Morning Joe?
I feel like David... The thing is, is that Vivek would be able to read the Bible, and he'd be able to find, like, a good number of books in it that he agrees with, whereas David French kind of, like, condensed the Bible down to that turn-the-other-cheek verse.
And then he cut out all the other parts.
It's like the Jefferson Bible, except you cut out everything but one verse.
Yeah, you cut out the sword and all the most wimpy interpretations.
I think we honed in on it.
I think it was her dating history with Dinesh that that's what she was really saying.
That's getting too psychological for me.
I'll never date or vote for an Indian.
Final thoughts, Jack, on that?
Uh, I had a rule about Italian women after my first girlfriend that I've stuck to since then.
See?
For sure.
Alright, next topic.
Two options, we can talk about The Onion or we can talk about surrogates.
Onion.
Onion, alright.
So, absolute earthquake in the media landscape, The Onion, a publication you last read 15 years ago when it was funny, has new management.
And it's actually the funniest thing the Onion has done in at least 10 years, I would say.
The Onion got bought by some Silicon Valley gigalib, and he decided to let Ben Collins be in charge of it.
Now, Ben Collins, for those of you who don't know, he's the, like, lame half of the reporting duo with Brandi Zadrozny and Ben Collins.
And all he does, You can go read his Twitter, he's made something like 80,000 tweets by now, I bet.
And all Ben Collins does is sit on Twitter, or until he left, I think he left because Twitter was too offensive, and moan and be like, There's so much hate on this website!
There's so much hate!
They're threatening people's lives!
Charlie Kirk is a Nazi.
And he just freaks out like this.
And so they made him the editor-in-chief.
He gets really sweaty.
He cries.
He once almost went into tears talking about Elon Musk buying Twitter because he was so upset about it.
And big picture, he is the least funny person.
I will pay someone $50 if they can send me a funny thing that Ben Collins has posted that makes me laugh.
I dare all of you.
I will pay you if you can do it.
And so we have modern, like the modern onion is like we have new articles and they're all just like the worst lectures in the world.
Let's see if we can like bring some of this up on screen.
Because we were checking some of their headlines like with the campus.
What's that one there?
Can you read that one?
Yeah, like Florida's near total abortion ban by the numbers.
And I'm sure there's allegedly a joke in that.
But it's really just like Florida.
They're taking away a woman's right to cheer.
It's so serious it's not funny.
There's no joke we can make about it.
Yes, and I'm just gonna go to the website right now.
Are they succeeding?
Is the Onion doing well?
Well, I mean, they got sold, so whoever owned it, the A.V.
Club, thought it was an asset worth spinning off.
Trump drapes jacket overhead so nobody can tell he's sleeping in court.
Haha!
Come on, you guys!
Oh my gosh, that's so funny!
Meanwhile, the Babylon Bee is actually funny.
Yeah, the Babylon Bee is amazing.
Their new Woke Jesus video is hilarious.
Yeah, and the big picture is I think a lot of us did read The Onion 20 years ago, and we weren't liberal, and it didn't always hit, but There used to be a world where people on the left were often funny, and now they're just not.
And I guess it's an interesting evolution, and is it that too many things became sacred, and the nature of comedy is being able to poke fun at things?
that's a good topic which is uh and i think you were in the car when we were talking about this you said the tom brady roast was like one of the few like re-emergences of old comedy can you talk about that oh yeah i don't think we have any clips of it but that shows that's a tension with the onion thing though yeah and so but it was i guess you would say is it felt almost like i don't want to say right-wing comedy because that's going too far
but it was a lot of jokes that certainly like smug left-wingers would say like, that's not okay.
That's punching down.
Like, they made jokes about Aaron Hernandez hanging himself in his prison cell, which is definitely pretty dark.
That would be, like, triggering to a million people.
There were no trigger warnings for a bunch of this.
It's like, I guess, good comedy requires the ability to take a risk, and if the risk doesn't work out, it won't be the end of your life.
And I think that might be the big flaw of left-wing comedy, is you cannot take a risk on the left, because if your joke falls flat, it's not just an unfunny joke, it might be the end of your life.
You will lose your job, they'll make your wife divorce you, they'll try to find a way to throw you in prison, They'll do every manner of bad thing.
And unsurprisingly, this is a situation that doesn't lead to very good comedy.
I'll bet that they had comedians in the USSR and I suspect that they were not very funny.
Tyler, did you watch the roast?
Yeah.
It was incredible.
It was like throwback 2000s Comedy Central.
How were they able to get away with it?
They stopped doing the roast like years ago on Comedy Central because Comedy Central got too woke.
But how were they able to get it, just they wanted the ratings, Netflix didn't care?
Because they went there, they broke a lot of the rules of modern comedy.
So Netflix has, was doing this, I don't know if everyone knows this, but they had a convention, a Netflix comedy convention that they were doing.
Netflix is a joke, they have a radio station on, so they're trying to make money, right?
And it turns out, in order to make money, you have to actually be funny.
So this is this is in perfect juxtaposition to the onion and why it's gonna fail is that and and nothing could be greater and grander than Looking at like I mean we saw with daily the Daily Show, right?
What happened with the Daily Show?
The Daily Show got I think they're bringing back part of it, right?
They brought back Jon Stewart They had to bring back Jon Stewart with three other people just to try to like revive it.
Mm-hmm They have this is the new onion advisors assure Biden.
This will blow over once all Gazans dead.
Oh Say that again?
Advisors tell Biden that all of this will blow over once all the Gazans are dead.
Okay.
Is that the onion?
That's the onion.
That's the onion.
I'm just going through Ben Collins' Twitter.
He's now just spamming, you know, his new onion articles from his super duper funny... But the Babylon Bee is hilarious.
Let me read this top.
Bob Iger insists Disney stock drop not caused by failure of latest movie.
Biden strikes deal where Hamas gets to keep American hostages in exchange for 15 electoral votes in Michigan.
That's good, right?
It's like, it's real comedy.
So.
Oh, man.
This one.
Stormy Daniels offers hush money to courtroom sketch artist to please stop drawing her.
It's like that's actual comedy.
Alright, here's Dana White who gets pretty upset about the Tom Brady host roast.
Play cut 145.
Actually, let me get into this real quick.
It pisses me off.
I flew all the way out here and you guys give me 60 seconds?
My name is Dana.
Is that not trans enough for you liberals?
I think at another point someone said they were like, Tom Brady, you only brought one black wide receiver here or something, real woke of you.
Some joke like that.
I heard it second hand.
But it was pretty nasty though.
I mean, it got there.
He made the 9-11 joke.
Oh yeah.
Tony Hinchcliffe was so funny too.
Who made the 9-11 joke?
Was it Brady himself?
Tom Brady.
Yeah, when two Jets slammed into Drew Bledsoe.
Two Jets were slamming into Drew Bledsoe.
In September 2001.
September.
Yeah, it was it was like, whoa, whoa.
So this is this is kind of like the theory.
So we should we should actually go go around like, there's a theory that kind of running around the, you know, like right wing frog Twitter right now.
And the idea is, have we reached peak woke?
And a lot of people so this, the theory has been posited.
And even like the New York Times has written about this.
Financial Times, a bunch of people saying it, but the real question is, Have we at this point, and is the roast of Tom Brady, have we reached peak woke?
I would also say that peak woke is also exemplified by the fact that you notice that Hollywood is starting to actually cast Like really attractive women again in movies and SNL has, you know, a lot of these different, um, a lot of the actresses are like not there.
What's the word to say?
The traditional standard of beauty, uh, has now returned.
And so I guess this is my question.
Have, have we reached peak woke?
Uh, it depends where.
I mean, I think that at some point, the lords of easy money, you can't sustain a business enterprise just by putting forward a revolution.
I think it's going to matter a lot that, for example, if the onion is not funny, and the Babylon Bee is, young people do like what is funny.
And that's a cultural power.
You know, we haven't had for a long time, I'd say going back maybe at least like 70 years, the funniest comedians by consensus are usually left-leaning as a whole.
Not 100% of the time, but most, you know, they would be left of center culturally.
And now, we're actually at the point where I feel, if you ask people, like, who do you consider, like, what's the funniest website you know?
Or who are the funniest people you know?
They're just not, they're definitely not going to be normie libs.
At most they would be some sort of libertarian leaning person, or maybe some like actual total like weird commie Marxist whack job.
Well because comedy is supposed to go up against the norm and the culture, the dominant.
Or it subverts your expectations, as they would say.
At the very least up against the dominant.
Yeah, even if they say like, oh good comedy punches down, which I don't, or punches, it's punches up, punches up.
Which, I don't actually fully agree with.
You can totally punch down and it's hilarious.
But, if you believe in that, well, punching up is always going to be targeting left-wing things.
There is no conservative establishment anymore, no matter how hard they try to pretend that this is the case.
Like, if you're protesting at Columbia, you are protesting against a bunch of liberals.
You are not protesting the man.
So I saw this clip super early, and this is an example of comics going right.
This is one of my favorite clips.
I don't know what this comic's name is.
If you guys can get me his name, I want to make sure I give him credit.
He's at the Laugh Factory, which Andrew used to go to a lot.
And the best part of this is that he starts doing improv, kind of with the guy in the front row.
Like, hey, what do you do for a living?
And the guy takes his job so seriously.
I work for the Biden administration.
I don't think he's going to get roasted.
And then the guy in the crowd is like, oh, no, no, no.
I travel to southern states, not realizing, like, How dare you make fun of me type thing?
This is an amazing clip.
Play cut 146.
Nick, what do you do for a living now?
You work for the Biden administration.
Is your job to wake them up or what's your job?
There's a war!
Okay, what do you do for the Biden administration?
What a show of a job you have.
I can't believe you admitted that in front of all these people.
You have the freedom to lie.
You could have said you were a hooker and I would have been prouder of you.
What do you do?
You go to the South and try to sell them on Biden?! !
What are you talking about?
That's your job?
Just to go, hey, listen, I know you guys like Trump, but Biden, I mean.
Wow.
Are you ready to be unemployed or what's your vibe?
This guy is Arab.
His name is Josh Ocean Thomas.
When you lose the front line comics like that, that's a bad sign.
Not even just lose them, but when the clips go viral and they're authentically funny.
I've been around a while.
I think you and I can probably recall there have been attempts at conservative comedy.
In the Bush years, in the Obama years, and they didn't stick.
They would be kinda cringe, kinda lame, they didn't quite get what made things funny.
And especially since Trump, it's just been different.
The people who are the funniest Twitter accounts you can follow, they like code.
I'm not saying they're explicitly right-wing in the sense that they're saying like, go vote Republican!
But they code as right-wing.
They are much more offensive to liberals than to conservatives.
And that's a big change, and I don't think Ben Collins is going to change it.
Even though, like, someone coming up and telling me Ben Collins was just named the head of The Onion is one of the funniest things that I have heard in my entire life.
Buddy Ben!
Dude, have you heard Jerry Seinfeld just like over and over and over going off about this stuff?
I just dropped the link that we posted.
Jerry's actually funny.
And he's going after, like one guy in one of the interviews was like, hey, there are not enough white people in your audiences.
And he's like, are you serious?
And then like, just like going after all sorts of stuff because he's like, yeah, they're killing comedy.
The left is killing comedy.
I think he said the left is killing comedy.
Speaking of killing comedy, we have some troll in our comments who's saying, uh, suck my farts over and over again from eat my butt 12.
He's a funny guy.
He's actually funny.
Like all week he was on my show.
Yeah, he's probably an onion contributor.
He might be Ben Collins.
If you do follow Ben Collins's Twitter, one of the secrets you discover is Ben Collins is like never, never not posting on the internet, never offline, never not coming up with reasons to call people racist Nazis.
He is truly the most humorless person I have ever seen online and that's saying something because there's a lot of very pouty liberals on the internet.
Well, I wanted to say this one thing about The comics, it's just so many of them they've attempted to cancel, including What's-His-Face that we just dropped in the chat that they canceled off of SNL.
You guys know that whole history with him, right?
Who?
With Shane Gillis.
Oh yeah, that's right.
He used to go on SNL and they canceled him over the racist stuff.
And then there's that.
I think we have him right here in the chat.
You want to play his tape?
But it wasn't... What's that?
We have Shane Gillis' tape right here.
Let's play Cut 147.
The night the United States killed the leader of ISIS, Trump comes out of the Situation Room at like midnight.
Walks up in front of the entire world at midnight and just goes, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is dead.
He died like a dog.
Meanest dog you've ever heard.
In front of the whole world.
Abu.
We could hear him crying.
I said, Abu, don't die.
Let me tell you something, Abu cried, he cried quite a bit.
I wouldn't have cried.
Cry baby, cry daddy, that's what we were all called.
Yeah, a real part of this is Donald Trump himself is He's not a comedian, but he actually kind of is, as a cultural presence, the funniest person in the world.
The amount of comedy that has been earnestly generated by Trump supporters who love Trump is higher than the comedy we get from anything else.
And that is huge cultural importance.
Norm MacDonald.
Norm MacDonald once famously, before he passed, he once went on an interview and was saying that he actually went to a Trump rally once and was talking about Trump's public speaking skills.
And he was like, oh, this is, he's like, look, I've been doing standup my entire life.
That's my whole career.
That's clearly what Trump is doing.
He's got the timing.
He's obviously knows how to lead an audience.
He obviously knows how to bring people up.
And he was talking just purely from, you know, a critique, not a critique, but a, a, um, a review of his performance.
He was like, this guy is doing the same thing that we teach everyone in my industry.
He's just doing it in politics, which no one's ever really done before.
All right, everybody.
Great episode today.
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