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| Deliver us from evil! | |
| From both this, quote, my first acts as your next president will be to close the border, drill baby drill in all caps, and free the January 6th hostages being wrongfully imprisoned. | |
| Let's talk about those January 6th insurrectionists and rioters, not hostages. | |
| The Department of Justice has since charged about 1,300 people for their roles in the deadly attack. | |
| Nearly 500 have been sentenced to jail. | |
| They are not, to a person, wrongfully imprisoned. | |
| They are simply facing the consequences for crimes any of them admit to committing. | |
| I am in Plymouth, Massachusetts, standing right beside this national monument to our forefathers, those pilgrims that came over to this land over 400 years ago to make a covenant with God that this land would be for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith. | |
| Three years ago, I drove 25 hours because I believed in this covenant, and now I am on trial to defend that covenant. | |
| If former President Donald Trump retakes the White House, he says he'll free January 6th Capitol rioters. | |
| Trump writing on Truth Social that one of his first acts in a second term would be to, quote, free the January 6th hostages being wrongfully imprisoned. | |
| My question to you is, will you pardon the January 6th rioters who were convicted of federal offenses? | |
| I am inclined to pardon many of them. | |
| I can't say for every single one because a couple of them, probably they got out of control. | |
| That my own country is treating me like a criminal. | |
| It's because I believe that they stole my rightful president. | |
| And just standing up for my country makes me a criminal. | |
| And it's just not right. | |
| It feels so weird to be here. | |
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| Today's edition of Human Events Daily, live from Washington, D.C. | |
| Today is April 4th, 2024, Anno Domini. | |
| The videos you're watching there are of Colorado resident Rebecca Labyrins, dubbed the Praying Grandmother. | |
| She's actually a great-grandmother. | |
| She attended the Stop the Steal rally on January 6, 2021. | |
| She prayed with a group of people outside the Capitol building and went into the Capitol building where she stayed for just 10 minutes. | |
| She's on trial this week right now in our nation's Capitol, same nation's Capitol she visited on January 6, and is facing prosecution at the hands of the Biden DOJ. | |
| She spent 10 minutes inside. | |
| And outside, she spent over an hour praying on January 6th on the steps of the Capitol. | |
| I'm going to say that again. | |
| A grandmother from Colorado traveled to our nation's Capitol from her home, prayed on the steps of the Capitol, went inside for about 10 minutes, We have the photos from when she was inside. | |
| Look, we're gonna put them up. | |
| She wasn't attacking anyone. | |
| She wasn't violent. | |
| She was walking around in the rotunda of the Capitol. | |
| That's it. | |
| She's now facing a year in prison. | |
| Rebecca Laverins. | |
| There's a fundraiser. | |
| People can go and get it out. | |
| And this photo of her that we have, she's got the white beanie. | |
| She's got the two little American flags. | |
| This is the threat to our democracy. | |
| This is the threat to our country. | |
| With everything else going on around the country and around the world right now, this is the person that the Biden administration has decided that they are going to focus their energies on on putting behind bars, making her spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees and punishments. | |
| She has four adult children. | |
| She has seven grandchildren, and she even has one great grandchild. | |
| Post Millennial has the story. | |
| There's no statements or even accusations that she did anything violent, that she did anything other than walk around in the Capitol. | |
| But of course, we know what this isn't about. | |
| This is about punishment. | |
| And let me explain something to the feckless conservatives out there, and I don't just mean the one in Congress. | |
| If you do not start exacting lawfare and using the law, the iron law of reciprocal lawfare, on the other side, you are doomed. | |
| Steve Baker from The Blaze joins us next. | |
| He's also facing indictment for that day. | |
| Stay tuned. | |
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| He was just on Tucker Carlson. | |
| He's been making the rounds on social media and on the podcast circuit and any place where free speech is still allowed in the United States and the West. | |
| His name is Steve Baker. | |
| He joins us from the blaze and he too is facing indictment for January. | |
| Yeah, well, Jack, it is what it is, but thanks for having me. | |
| So, walk me through this. | |
| the purpose of reporting doing something we call covering the story steve uh thank you for joining us here today i wish it was under other circumstances man yeah well jack it is what it is but thanks for having me so walk me through this um what what led you to be there on january 6. | |
| very simply i was there to cover an event my Myself and another colleague, a writer of some esteem, we traveled up from Raleigh, North Carolina together on the evening of January 5th. | |
| Met a couple of other colleagues while we were there that evening, shared some adult beverages, and then the next morning arrived at the Washington Monument Lawn by Uber at about 9 o'clock and began to try and, you know, get into the Ellipse, which was already packed by then. | |
| So we found a spot there on the memorial lawn or the monument lawn, and we watched most of the speeches that took place that day. | |
| And then because of the cold and the wind and the fact that there really wasn't that much interest in what was happening on the stage, we decided to go ahead and start moving away towards the Capitol about halfway through Trump's remarks. | |
| And, uh, there was already tens of thousands of people peeling off from the main crowd and heading that way because there were, in fact, other announced license permitted events taking place on the Capitol lawn that day. | |
| There were stages there that even Congress members were scheduled to speak at. | |
| And these were events that were permitted by the Capitol Police themselves. | |
| And so we knew about that, and we were headed that way. | |
| I was there with my camera, my tripod, my man-on-the-street microphone, and I intended to do nothing more than just interview people in street corners and see what their impressions of the day and of the remarks made at the Ellipse would be. | |
| And of course, the story took a turn by the time we got to the Capitol. | |
| And Steve, at this point, just to ask real quick, so you're there under the auspices. | |
| Were you with the Blades at that point, or you were just running your own, basically your own YouTube channel? | |
| That's correct. | |
| I was completely independent. | |
| I had my blog and I had tens of thousands of followers, uh, all throughout the social media. | |
| And, and, and so I was doing my own thing and, uh, not that I hadn't written for other people and submitted stories. | |
| Other things have been published elsewhere over the years, but that was my, my, my main reason for being there. | |
| Was for my own thing. | |
| And that, of course, as I pointed out on numerous occasions since my arrest, is that you understand that if you've got 50,000 followers on Facebook alone, not counting all the other platforms that I was serving at the time, that you have a higher readership than 90% of America's newspapers. | |
| And so you don't get to pick and choose who is a journalist in that circumstance. | |
| The First Amendment takes care of that. | |
| Well, and that really is a big aspect of this, because I remember when I first started reading about this, I realized that this is part of one of the things that we've seen happen time and time again. | |
| I've seen it happen a lot when it comes to, just when it comes to DC in general, and I don't mean necessarily for criminal indictments, but I'll see this even in the White House briefing room and other places where they'll say, if you're not part of one of the corporate established media networks, that for some There's like some special secret sauce that you don't have that doesn't make you a real journalist. | |
| But if you're an independent guy, if you're some guy who's out there, you know, on YouTube, on a website, running a blog, running Twitter, running Facebook, by the way, probably doing the work that 10 people would do at one of these other networks, that for some reason you don't count. | |
| Yeah, we'll tell that to Benjamin Franklin about his almanac and tell that to Thomas Paine about his pamphlet. | |
| Yes, exactly! | |
| Exactly, what Thomas Paine did, what I would say with that pamphlet, particularly with Common Sense, but that's not the only one, that we would call what happened there going viral. | |
| We would call that an early version of going viral today. | |
| That and the pamphlet and then it was the templates for the pamphlet that were taken and they were spread. | |
| So it goes from Boston to Philadelphia and then it comes down to the southern states and it goes all throughout. | |
| And this is what would be people sharing them in bars, et cetera. | |
| Kind of like you might share memes or articles with people that you know today. | |
| It was the exact same social dynamic. | |
| And in fact, it's the dynamic that founded our country. | |
| So kind of important, just saying. | |
| I think we are actually we more resemble you and I do more resemble the founding of our country when it comes to journalism than what we have been. | |
| What are you know, what journal what journalism had evolved into, particularly in the 20th century. | |
| So, Steve, now jump forward from there. | |
| So you go further, you get picked up by the blaze. | |
| Congratulations. | |
| Well earned, by the way. | |
| Great guys over there. | |
| Matt Peterson, of course, a good friend. | |
| And others. | |
| And then we don't need the less we talk about Alex Dunn, the better. | |
| And the then all of a sudden you start getting. | |
| Contacted by the Department of Justice. | |
| How does that work? | |
| How do you find out that you're in the crosshairs of the federal government? | |
| I received my first call from the FBI in July of 21, said that they wanted to have a sit down cooperative interview with me. | |
| And we, when I say we, I turned that over to my attorney immediately, as one should do. | |
| And we did arrange for an interview date the next month in August. | |
| And then what ended up happening is they, the FBI themselves, were forced to abort our first cooperative interview because once they learned of my status as a journalist, they had to actually receive Express written permission from the United States Attorney General's Office in order to conduct that interview. | |
| And that's true of all federal agencies. | |
| All federal investigative agencies cannot interview a member of the press without Permission from the Attorney General's Office. | |
| So once they had acquired that and there was a proper agreement negotiated between my attorney and the U.S. | |
| Attorney General's Office, we sat down with them in October of 21. | |
| A month later, we received an email saying that I was going to be charged within the week. | |
| That's a quote. | |
| And that email came from a U.S. | |
| attorney out of Philadelphia. | |
| Uh, that I would be charged within the week and then they disappeared for 20 months and we didn't hear from them. | |
| In August of last year, 23, I received a grand jury subpoena for my videos, which was a, you know, a completely unnecessary act because we had voluntarily offered those to the FBI, uh, back in, uh, in October of 21. | |
| They waited until August of 23 to then subpoena those videos, which alerted us to the fact that they were investigating me. | |
| And the scary part about that, Jack, is that grand juries are not seeded for misdemeanor investigations. | |
| They are only reviewing the possibility of felony indictments, and that's what we were up against at that time. | |
| Fast forward another few months. | |
| We didn't hear from them again until mid-December when they said, in fact, OK, it's going to happen. | |
| You are going to be charged. | |
| And they wouldn't tell us what the charges were at the time. | |
| So I still had that felony specter hanging over my head. | |
| They said that they actually said they would not tell me what the charges would be because I would tweet it out, quote unquote. | |
| Uh, moving, moving forward then to, uh, we got into, I certainly would, by the way. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| And then finally we got into late February. | |
| Uh, we, they, we didn't hear from them again for another two months. | |
| And when they finally said, okay, today is the day tonight, the time is now they asked us to cooperatively be cooperatively pick a date when I would self surrender. | |
| And I was working out of Dallas at the time I was at the blaze, um, uh, headquarters. | |
| And so we decided to pick Dallas as the place where I would self-surrender. | |
| And that's what, uh, happened on March 1st. | |
| And of course that was a video that, uh, uh, you know, went viral everywhere and was trending on, uh, X and all other platforms. | |
| So that, yep, that's the one right there of me being perp walked out of the FBI field office and then transported to the federal courthouse. | |
| Where I was handed over to the US Marshals who then proceeded to put me in leg chains and a belt chain with my hands cuffed to my stomach. | |
| And then they marched me in front of a magistrate in leg chains after I had sit for a couple of hours in a cell with an actual meth dealer. | |
| Right next to the meth dealer. | |
| I mean right where you belong after your horrific crimes against our republic and not only that but our crimes against democracy itself these these videos and we've only got a minute about a minute to the break here but I'd love to know and I think I already know the answer but You know, is there anything on these videos where you are participating in any of this? | |
| And they've tried to say this with other people that, oh, you were egging somebody on or you were opening a window or something. | |
| I didn't see any of that when I watched your videos. | |
| No, we released every minute, you know, I've had unique access to the CCTV videos granted to me by a congressional committee. | |
| And as a result of that, we harvested every single minute of me inside the Capitol overlaying that with some of my own video. | |
| And we showed that during that entire 37 minutes that I was in the Capitol, that I was the most boring creature that ever traversed through the building. | |
| In fact, most people said it was the most boring 37 minutes They've ever watched in their life, but they couldn't take their eyes off of it. | |
| It was compelling nonetheless. | |
| And this is the biggest fight right now, because we've got people like yourself who are going in there to document a historical event, regardless of what side of it you're on, obviously a historic event, and then facing charges from the government on the back end. | |
| Stay tuned. | |
| We'll be right back. | |
| Steve Baker, bombshell interview here, Human Events Daily. | |
| Can't wait to get my hands on that book. | |
| 'Cause ain't a mystery. | |
| The hidden tales of the communist history. | |
| I wanna know the truth, what really went down. | |
| So I'm jumping on my computer, going to pre-order town. | |
| Pre-ordered in the U.S. | |
| All right, Jack Priscilik back here live, Human Events Daily. | |
| We're sitting down with Steve Baker of The Blaze. | |
| We're also currently on Verdict Watch. | |
| I believe today is day four or five of deliberations. | |
| Rebecca Lavrenz. | |
| A grandmother from Colorado who is currently awaiting her fate in the hands of a D.C. | |
| jury for going inside the Capitol for 10 minutes, praying, chanting USA, praying on the steps of the Capitol. | |
| She is on jury watch right now. | |
| And we're on today live with Steve Baker of The Blaze. | |
| Steve, with these cases, when you have the chance to sit down with some of these DOJ types, do you get any sense from them that they really feel like this is what they signed up for when they decided they wanted to join the Department of Justice to save the United States, to protect people? | |
| Is this what put them through law school, the dream of being able to go after somebody for uploading videos to a YouTube channel? | |
| Well I will tell you that I've covered several of these trials and I will I will go on record here right here and now with you Jack is that some of these people genuinely believe they are quote-unquote saving our democracy by this persecution of grandmothers and otherwise. | |
| And it doesn't matter if we're talking about the Oath Keepers or we're talking about this case that you just mentioned here, where you have a literally a great grandmother who was praying and chanting USA. | |
| They believe that these people were in fact insurrectionists, that they were trying to overthrow the will of the people that day, and nothing could be further from the truth. | |
| There were only a micro fraction of the crowd that assembled at the Capitol that day, tens of thousands of people that surrounded the Capitol, that actually did anything bad that actually struck or attacked law enforcement issue uh officers we're talking about Less than 400 people, and really and truly the DOJ has even admitted it's probably somewhere on the order of about 225 people did actual violence. | |
| There are other people charged with violence because they were in the area, therefore they were aiding and abetting, so they get a violence charge and a violence felony for being close to something or getting pushed into somebody or they touched a fence at the wrong time. | |
| And so that characterization itself is hyperbolic, but the bottom line is that the grandmothers And the independent of maybe more right-leaning journalists who have been prosecuted so far. | |
| We weren't there to overthrow the government. | |
| We weren't over there to stop the certification of the Electoral College. | |
| Dear God, I've never even been a Trump supporter. | |
| What? | |
| How can you put that? | |
| Wait, wait till the court sees the memes that I created back in 2016 when I was never Trump at the time. | |
| Now, I've changed my view since then for maybe obvious reasons. | |
| But the point being is, is that Uh, they're, they're characterizing these people who had legitimate grievances with how their government is being handled. | |
| If furthermore, Jack, these people have been locked down for 10 months, not allowed to work, not allowed to live their lives, not allowed to go to restaurants, uh, not, not allowed to go see music concerts. | |
| And they were frustrated that day. | |
| And in fact, when you only have a couple of hundred to 300 people who actually did bad things. | |
| I would say that that crowd was quite well restrained in their behavior. | |
| Look, I remember being there that day across the street, so that's when I was still at OAN and OAN's offices and still are, by the way, right across the street there at one of the one of the office buildings downtown. | |
| So I take to the roof of the building and I'm up there doing a live hit and had never expected to be covering it in the way that I was. | |
| I had similar by the way situation you right i was down there around nine o'clock and i left early um and that i remember being at the top of that building looking out at this massive crowd of i i struggle to say how many people it was over 50 000 easily probably the largest trump rally actually and And I've been to a few that. | |
| And I remember saying this, that from up here, you cannot see any violence from up here. | |
| You cannot see anything other than people peacefully marching with their American flags. | |
| And I said, I know what's going to happen. | |
| I said this on as it was still going on. | |
| I said, they're going to take a couple of videos of this and they're going to play that over and over and over. | |
| And that's the only thing that we're going to see. | |
| And every single person that was involved in this, even the people, by the way, because it was so large, were coming up from behind. | |
| They had no idea what had happened prior to their arrival because cell phone service was down and people didn't know what was going on. | |
| I had people calling me and telling me that something violent had happened when I didn't even really know what was happening in real time, even when I was physically there. | |
| because it was certainly a large event, People don't realize how big the complex is. | |
| And I said, this is what will happen. | |
| Every single person there will be smeared. | |
| Every person will be called a terrorist. | |
| Every person will be gone after. | |
| But I will say this, Steve. | |
| I never thought they would go after people who were reporting. | |
| Tell me what it feels like to go from a guy who knows that you were there to document, not to participate, and then to be on the other side of that room with an FBI agent, someone who, you know, we were all taught when we were kids that, you know, you have to trust the government and the police are there to help you, and now all of a sudden they're coming after you. | |
| Well, what it feels like varies from day to day. | |
| You know, on some days I feel like I'm bearing the weight of the responsibility of the First Amendment on my own shoulders to fight this thing all the way through to its conclusion. | |
| And that means, Jack, I know that if I go to trial with this, I'm going to lose. | |
| I mean, it's 99.75% conviction rate right now on January 6th cases. | |
| So, if I fight this battle to the end, I'm going to lose. | |
| Um, and if I don't, then I'm going to lose, I think, uh, I think we may lose a significant part of our own liberties. | |
| I think we'll lose a chunk of the Bill of Rights will be carved out of that. | |
| And I think that my case may be the most representative of that, of all the January 6th cases so far. | |
| So, you know, one, one day I, I, I put on my, uh, my superhero cape and the other day, you know, I, I, I shed a tear and asked the Lord to, you know, let this cup pass from me. | |
| Amen. | |
| And that's the only way through. | |
| When you're in these situations and as you look at it, when you talk to Republicans, when you talk to conservative leaders, Do you get this sense, and I certainly get this sense, and I'm in DC and unfortunately I've been here for over a decade, I get this sense that they still think that the other side or these institutions are just good people who sometimes have unintended consequences, that really they're operating in good faith and they want the best thing for the country. | |
| I just disagree with that completely, and I think that's the kind of attitude that's going to lead absolutely to ruin, because this isn't about fairness. | |
| This isn't about truth. | |
| It's about locking people up, and as you say, shredding those rights and liberties that we only have. | |
| Yes, they come from God, but we only have them because we fought for them and secured them. | |
| If you stop doing that, you don't have them anymore. | |
| I would say right now that the vast majority of GOP lawmakers in DC just don't want to deal with January 6th, you know, just, you know, they want to deal with it. | |
| It's a small handful that are doing good work and they are going slow and you know, God knows we, we want them to move faster, but they're up against their own. | |
| side up against their own team and pushing these things forward. | |
| And there's a lot of truth yet to come out about this. | |
| And as you know, most of my work has been in the last couple of years has been examining the corruption in government directly related to January 6, directly related to felonious perjury. | |
| I mean, perjury of testimonies in various trials. | |
| And and a lot more of that is coming. | |
| And that is because of the unique access that I've had That other journalists have not had, or at least maybe not as had as much as myself and my blaze team has had in the last several months, but we've got, we've got a lot more coming. | |
| And I think that one of the reasons why they decided to move against me when they did was they, um, well, let's just say there's a, there's some pressure coming from one of the particular agencies to have my head served up on a silver platter. | |
| Well, looking at it from that perspective, knowing that you've got some of the most powerful national security agencies on the face of the planet that are gunning for you, that say, you're a thorn in our side, you've got to be shut up. | |
| Steve Baker is a problem. | |
| Does that ever make you question it? | |
| Does that ever make you say, you know what, maybe I shouldn't have done that? | |
| Or does it have the opposite effect? | |
| On me, it's the opposite effect. | |
| They, uh, I don't mind saying that the federal government weaponized me against them. | |
| We talk about weaponized government. | |
| They, they, they made the mistake of weaponizing somebody with, you know, my God given skills and talents. | |
| And, uh, as a result of that, I'm going to see this thing all the way through. | |
| They're not going to stop me. | |
| They're not going to shut me up and they're going to have to answer for, uh, their malfeasances. | |
| That's the attitude that I wish I could copy and paste that or I say this all the time when we've got this book we're doing right we talk about this as well I wish I wish I could just share like a software upgrade like when you're you're using an app and they push a new update out to it I say can we just push this update out this software update out to all the conservatives out there and say you need to become unyielding You need to become stalwart. | |
| You need to become steadfast. | |
| Because if you blink, if you shrink, if you stepped down in the face of this, they will run over you and they will never stop. | |
| They will never stop unless they are stopped themselves. | |
| We've seen this happen and unfortunately, and Steve you know this, We've seen this happen time and time again, country after country, all around the world. | |
| No society is immune from these vices. | |
| No society is immune from going down this road. | |
| And you know better than any of us that that's exactly the road we're on right now. | |
| We've got about a minute left. | |
| Tell us, where can everyone, and everyone needs to go and follow Steve Baker because he's in the arena fighting back on a regular basis. | |
| Where can they go to do that and what comes next for you? | |
| Yeah, the first thing is obviously go check out TheBlaze.com. | |
| They have set up a unique URL just for me and my stories related to January 6th. | |
| It's TheBlaze.com forward slash truth. | |
| TheBlaze.com forward slash truth. | |
| And then all of my social media is under the same handle. | |
| It's TPC4USA. | |
| TPC the number 4 USA and then even though I'm not doing a formal fundraiser for my legal expenses and such as that because I've been blessed otherwise I am inviting everybody to at least come subscribe to my locals community and that is TPC4USA.com and you can either subscribe for free or you can join one of the you know at $5 a month. | |
| Steve Baker, he's fighting back. | |
| Go follow him. | |
| Go support him. | |
| God bless, Steve. | |
| with God. | |
| Jack Posobiec back live here at Human Events Daily. | |
| Very excited to announce to the Huffington Post, I want to make sure you guys know this is done, put down your hot dogs because this is going to be important. | |
| You got to get them out of your faces because you need to pay attention to this one, boys. | |
| Emma Jo Morris, the politics editor of Breitbart News, joins us here at Human Events Daily. | |
| What's up, Emma? | |
| Hey, thank you so much for having me. | |
| Yeah, that's right. | |
| The gang's back. | |
| Again, never went away. | |
| The real right-wing conspiracy is back together, boys. | |
| Enjoy it. | |
| Live it. | |
| Love it. | |
| So, Emma Jo, you went and had this incredible testimony in front of the House. | |
| You went and broke the story of the laptop, the hard drive from hell, Hunter Biden. | |
| We all know the rest of the story, X. | |
| And literally the FBI had to go to Twitter and tell them to take it down because they were so terrified of the story that you put out there. | |
| And then we're just blowing it up all over Twitter. | |
| The FBI, like at the time, I don't even think, did you even realize that like this was gonna get so big that the FBI was launching operations against you? - No, I couldn't have predicted that. | |
| I was kind of going through my Instagram and thinking, should I delete the photo I have up there with Sean Hannity? | |
| And then I'm like, well, no. | |
| I think I'm going to be fine. | |
| And then all of a sudden, the entire intelligence community is bearing down on me in my studio apartment in Midtown. | |
| It was wild. | |
| Because that was the point where, that was the point where, you know, and you were so sweet about it, that like, you know, like, you weren't like a known quantity yet, really, like, you know, you know, you weren't really a public figure, but you'd always been someone kind of like behind the scenes, you know, making stuff happen. | |
| And, and that was sort of your moment. | |
| And then all of a sudden, you've got Joy And I even got all the way to the point where I got to ask Elon this question on, we were on this X Spaces with like Alex Jones and Vivek was there and Andrew Tate shows up and it just turns into this whole thing. | |
| And I'm there with Elon and we're talking about this whole thing and I'm like, hey, this is great and all and I appreciate, you know, you exposing what happened and we get it. | |
| But I'm kind of waiting to find out what's going to happen next because we can sit and talk about all of the things that went wrong in October 2020. | |
| But and that's cool. | |
| Like, and that's interesting, maybe for, I don't know, some book somewhere. | |
| But what about the election we're in right now? | |
| What about the country that we live in right now? | |
| What's the action? | |
| And so and I went to Elon and I kind of put him on the spot and said, if the FBI comes to you now and let's say Emma Jo Morris has another story that's coming out that's, you know, all about the Hunter Biden or whatever it is, you know, whatever it is. | |
| And and the FBI comes to you and says, we think this is blah, blah, blah, bad information. | |
| This is whatever, even though it's obviously legal information. | |
| And at first he says to me, he's like, well, I'd ask for a warrant. | |
| You know, I'd ask for a warrant and I want to get a ruling from a judge. | |
| I'd probably try to fight it in court. | |
| And I said, all right, well, let's say, let's say the court rules, rules for the FBI then. | |
| Let's say the court rules for the FBI. | |
| They get their warrant, they get their court order. | |
| He's still going to do it. | |
| Right. | |
| And, and he says to me point blank, I would be, I would be prepared to go to jail. | |
| That's huge. | |
| That's that's a huge, you know, and you know, and as an interviewer, I'm like, OK, I know that if I if I push after that one, he's not going to he's not going to go any further than that. | |
| So, you know, at the end of the question right there, that's the mic. | |
| That's the mic drop. | |
| That's it. | |
| You have to pressure test that that interview. | |
| But, you know, I mean, yeah, that's good. | |
| And it's we're in this kind of weird moment. | |
| And I'm glad that this is being litigated now, although it's looking a little sketchy. | |
| You know, the Supreme Court obviously just heard, like last week, heard two cases around this issue, and the judges were being, having an opinion that I guess I didn't expect, and they're kind of saying, they're being, I think, intentionally obtuse, and maybe trying to send it back down to a lower court, because they're kind of- Walk us through what you mean by that. | |
| Walk us through what you mean by that, because this is huge. | |
| Yeah, so basically the justices, and this includes Alito by the way, this includes conservative justices, they were kind of saying this impinges, the government has the right to free speech too. | |
| And you can't say as a court or by law that the government isn't allowed to express concerns or have its employees go and talk to people who are other American citizens at an American company. | |
| And they're kind of- This is what the judges are saying, by the way. | |
| This is not what Emma's saying. | |
| Yes, right. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | |
| I'm reciting back what the argument was at the Supreme Court and what the conversation was between the justices and the lawyers on the Supreme Court. | |
| And the justices are saying they were concerned about curtailing the right of free speech of the government and of government employees to talk to Twitter. | |
| But the thing that they're kind of missing, there's more to it than that. | |
| It's not just like me, you know, calling Jack up and being like, hey, I'm just sorry. | |
| It's so ridiculous. | |
| It's so ridiculous on its face. | |
| Podcasts like, you know, these companies, first of all, are subject or could potentially be subject to tremendous regulation. | |
| They could have I mean, if Section 230, for instance, goes away, they're done. | |
| They're they're toast. | |
| Also, you know, you don't want to be on the FBI's naughty list. | |
| you know that makes life when the fbi calls you up and says hey we need a favor okay the the fbi and the federal government do not make recommendations they don't make they're not you know they're not making suggestions they're not like oh what movie do you want to go see this weekend you know what should we have for dinner you know what part of town do you want to go at no no this isn't that kind of recommendation This is, we're going to let you know what has to be done and you're going to do it. | |
| And there's always, when the government is involved, there's always an underlying implication of or else. | |
| Well, that's it. | |
| Exactly. | |
| That's the key word. | |
| It's implied. | |
| It's implied. | |
| So the government is arguing this case and they're saying, well, all we did was flag posts that we thought were disinformation or potentially could, you know, especially in the case of the COVID vaccine conversation, we thought we thought at the time of the information that we had, that this could potentially inflict harm if this information were to go out. | |
| And we were just expressing that opinion to these social media companies. | |
| And it's like, well, no, you're completely stripping away what's implied and what the context is and the tone I mean, these people in the CDC and in the White House were continuously following up with these people at Twitter and Facebook, following up to make sure that they were going to take down the post. | |
| And it's been a day, and why haven't you taken it down yet? | |
| And Magaman123 still has his account. | |
| Why isn't it suspended? | |
| They were pressing. | |
| They weren't just talking. | |
| They weren't just expressing their First Amendment right. | |
| They were insisting, and obviously when they're insisting, they mean it. | |
| And you know what that means. | |
| You don't want to start a fight with the FBI over what this random meme account. | |
| Absolutely not. | |
| These companies are going to comply. | |
| No, they're they're exactly going to comply. | |
| And of course, you even had Justice Katonji Brown Jackson comes up there and says that she was concerned. | |
| She was concerned that the government might be restricted from action should there be another emergency situation again like COVID. | |
| Oh, oh, she's concerned That the government wouldn't have the ability to censor people online. | |
| Which, by the way, there's a difference between, and this is such a key difference, we're talking about freedom of speech here, no one was talking about censoring the government's freedom of speech. | |
| Nobody called, I don't even know anybody on the right, like in general, that was saying the CDC should be banned or that Fauci should be, you know, taken off TV or something. | |
| You know, people say he should be fired, etc. | |
| But there's a difference because nobody was talking about banning their speech. | |
| They were the ones who were using coercive methods and obviously in the implied suggestion of making sure that posts were taken down. | |
| That's the infringement of speech. | |
| This is a basic core understanding of what freedom of speech is. | |
| That means I'm going to add my speech to defeat speech that I don't like or I'm going to add speech to speech out there that I disagree with and I literally do that for a living, as a matter of fact. | |
| A lot of us do. | |
| And so this is the key difference. | |
| Well, that's it. | |
| And Contagi Brown Jackson was articulating the liberal dogma. | |
| It's become liberal dogma now. | |
| I mean, the New York Times just literally published maybe, like I think last week, a whole thing basically castigating freedom of speech and saying that freedom of speech is dangerous and that disinformation is dangerous. | |
| And obviously, this has been a chorus that's been going on since You know, pre-laptop from hell, this has been going on since the 2016 election when they tried to blame Macedonian content farmers for Donald Trump's victory. | |
| But there is now a concerted effort by all the institutions that actually rely on speech, like journalists and columnists and judges, to now basically decide that we need to do away with that because it's obviously threatening the liberal establishment regime. | |
| And you're seeing this all over the place. | |
| They know, listen, they know that we are taking the lead on them. | |
| They know that the right is taking the lead on them, and they're doing all of these things to make sure that it doesn't work out. | |
| And the only thing they have back left is the banhammer. | |
| Ladies and gentlemen, we are speaking with the greatest Macedonian troll farmer of all time, Emma Jo Morris. | |
| See you tomorrow. | |
| Jack Poselbeck back here with Breitbart Politics editor Emma Jo Morris. | |
| You might remember her for leaking and exposing the Hunter Biden hard drive from hell in the pages of the New York Post all the way back in 2020. | |
| So, Emma, like, this is what kills me. | |
| And I've been talking about a word for a long time now, and we bring this up in the new book and on humans, that conservatives just don't seem To get, or they're scared of it, and I don't know, and it's called reciprocity. | |
| The word is reciprocity. | |
| Donald Trump was indicted over a phone call to President Zelensky. | |
| I know, right? | |
| That President Zelensky. | |
| He was then indicted, or excuse me, impeached over some nonsense, claiming that he was behind January 6th. | |
| And yet when we have this hard drive sitting in front of us, the entire roadmap to a Biden impeachment, Republicans are terrified of embracing lawfare. | |
| And here's my point. | |
| The point is you must embrace reciprocity or they will never stop. | |
| You've had this thing as long as anybody else. | |
| Can you explain to me what the issue is when you go to the Hill, when you talk to people about this stuff? | |
| I think there's a few issues. | |
| You know, I'll start off, but I think what the first and main issue is, you know, I have a colleague who I'm not going to name because I don't want to blow him up. | |
| But he said something to me once that was so brilliant and stuck with me. | |
| And he said, listen, the Republicans are about money and the Democrats are about power. | |
| And when you're about money, you don't want to get canceled. | |
| You don't want to be a pariah. | |
| You don't want to ruffle feathers. | |
| You don't want to upset the apple cart. | |
| It's like just go along to get along and your donors will stick by you and your advertisers will stick by you and all the business people won't be embarrassed by you and you'll still get invited to the parties and fundraisers. | |
| The Washington generals get paid every night. | |
| The Washington generals get paid every single night to lose to the Harlem Globetrotters and it's a great life and the money keeps rolling in and you got a steady job, you know, why not? | |
| Exactly. | |
| So I think that that's really what's Kind of the reason underlying all of this stuff that you're watching, you want to tear your hair out, you know, and you can't understand why when they have everything in front of them, as you said, like, you know, the laptop from hell alone, let alone everything that we've learned since then from the whistleblowers in the IRS and the whistleblowers in the FBI and Tony Bobulinski and the banks. | |
| You know, we've learned so much from the day that we broke the laptop from hell. | |
| There's more than enough to at least listen, at least show. | |
| That there was corruption there. | |
| You don't even need to go to, oh, did he get money into his account? | |
| Did he shake hands with Xi Jinping and then Xi Jinping slipped him a bill? | |
| You don't need that. | |
| You don't need that because the picture has already been painted. | |
| Aside from the fact that, you know, leave aside that they're just really bad at messaging. | |
| But if you look at what they have, they have the goods. | |
| They have much more goods than the Democrats did with the perfect phone call impeachment. | |
| That's for sure. | |
| And they won't do it because the truth is it's unfashionable. | |
| It's unfashionable aside from the fact that they just can't get organized. | |
| I mean, they can't even pass the most basic stuff. | |
| They can't ward off another another 60 billion dollars to Ukraine from passing the house. | |
| I mean, it's it's very disorganized and we want to we want to just stay in the cool club. | |
| And I think that that's what's going on, really. | |
| And I think that's important too, that you mentioned, because it's something where you're explaining that, look, those of us that sit out there and say, hey, we should use some of this reciprocity. | |
| We should try to fight fire with fire. | |
| Why don't we have Republican AGs going after Antifa and BLM and the Southern Poverty Law Center, you know, I call them the Special Police Legislative Council. | |
| And, you know, all of these various organizations that are right there that are rampant for RICO violations. | |
| You look what Letitia James is doing. | |
| Letitia James will go after the Trump Organization. | |
| She'll go after the NRA. | |
| She'll go after conservative websites. | |
| She doesn't care. | |
| She doesn't care at all. | |
| You know what she cares about? | |
| She cares about winning. | |
| And you know why her side keeps giving her money? | |
| Because she's actually fighting the right. | |
| Because he's actually putting up W's on the board. | |
| Sorry about that, boys and girls, but she's actually winning. | |
| And by the way, if she ever goes down like the same way Fannie Willis goes down, they'll just find another one. | |
| Right. | |
| They'll just find somebody else to do their bidding for them. | |
| That's how power works. | |
| And the other reason why they have such a big upper hand on us and why they have Tish James's and Fannie Willis's all over the country. | |
| And they have even a backbench of them that they can pull from is because they spent the last 50 years taking over every institution, every cultural institution, every educational institution belongs to them. | |
| And it's a constant inculcation of more Tish Jameses, always. | |
| These are incubators. | |
| So for us, we have to like scrounge up somebody maybe like in Texas or maybe like in Missouri or maybe. | |
| And if we lose them, it's like, oh, forget it. | |
| No, it'll be another generation until we have another person. | |
| The left has Harvard. | |
| The left has every lawyer in the world and the best trained lawyers as activists for them, as shock troops for them. | |
| And that's what you're getting. | |
| What did you see in Congress a couple months ago with Claudine Gay? | |
| That is the head of Harvard, who is a died in the world, hardcore activist. | |
| Right. | |
| And so Republicans and conservatives who are starting to say, and I do appreciate that there has been a lot of awakening to this, particularly among Gen X. | |
| That's a whole other section I have where there's like a lot of these Gen X people. | |
| Elon's part of this, who I just mentioned, but David Sachs and others who are coming on, Bill Ackman, you know, all these Gen Xers who are like, wait a minute, something has gone awry. | |
| Perhaps we should do something to fix it. | |
| And, and, And this is really the key. | |
| This is the key of what I say, that we must embrace lawfare against the left. | |
| Is that this will not stop. | |
| This will not stop unless it is stopped. | |
| It is will not, you cannot defeat this unless you launch a backfire to stop the fire that is coming at us. | |
| Look, they're locking up praying grandmothers from the steps of the Capitol who drove there from Colorado. | |
| You know, we've got the, we're on like verdict watch for her. | |
| Steve Baker from the Blaze who was just on, he's running, he was, Walking around posting videos to a YouTube account on January 6th and we're supposed to think that people like him, people like Rebecca Lovren are the greatest threat to democracy? | |
| No, they're not. | |
| We know what's really going on. | |
| What's really going on is that they've thrown the entire rulebook out and they just want to lock up conservatives, they want to lock up patriots, they want to lock up anyone who's a thorn in their side. | |
| Emma Jo Mars, you are an incredible thorn in their side. | |
| Where can people follow you? | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| Thank you. | |
| I'm on Twitter. | |
| I'm on... I don't know. | |
| Yeah, follow me on Twitter and at Ray Park, please. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Just go to Macedonia. | |
| Check out her bot farms. | |
| They're the best, folks. | |
| The absolute best. | |
| Emma Jo Mars, thank you so much for being on here. | |
| Ladies and gentlemen, you have my permission to leave. |