March 2, 2024 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 35 — Antifa On Fire? White Rural Rage? Shoot Squatters?
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.
Jack Posobiec here.
Your host, Charlie Kirk, is on his way.
I'm here in Washington, D.C., where it was a little bit cold today, but we're going to we're going to talk a little bit about some ways that the local residents are using to heat themselves this week on the cold, cold streets of Washington, D.C.
But joining me back in studio over In warm and sunny Phoenix, we've got Blake and we've got Tyler.
What's up, guys?
Howdy, Jack.
What's up, Jack?
What is the weather like?
I honestly know.
It's like 38 and we had a crazy windstorm all last night, throughout the night.
So I constantly kept getting woken up in the middle of the night thinking that people were breaking into the house or that the kids were running around.
So let's just say the Second Amendment was well exercised.
Well, it is a chilly 72 degrees here, so that's why I'm wearing a jacket.
It's freezing.
Freezing.
We had a couple clouds yesterday.
It was terrible.
Yeah.
You know, I'm thinking about this proverb I heard once, Jack, which is, if you start a man a fire, he'll be warm for an evening.
But if you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
And that, of course, gets into our first topic, as we've been alluding to here.
I call him Colonel Crispy.
I don't know if others have their own nicknames for this fellow, but it's been a surprisingly long-lived story.
I saw a lot of predictions when it happened that this was a super pointless gesture, because our media cycle is so fast.
That if you do a stupid kill yourself stunt, everyone will move on within 24 hours.
But this Bushnell guy, he's made it a solid week.
Let's give some context before we start, you know, getting into the thought crimes of it.
Because in a sense, this was a thought crime which became a sort of physical crime, an actual crime in the real world.
So we are going to play the video, and many people have seen this.
heard of the story where a young airman so active duty air force member a guy who by the way was an intelligence analyst intelligence analyst in the uh in the united states military working on fort mead which is not far away from washington dc uh decided to protest the war in gaza
israel's war in gaza by going to the israeli embassy and lighting himself on fire and so i'll throw a warning out that if you have young people watching right now um you should probably just kind of turn this off for the next uh probably about the next 10 minutes or so if you want to skip the topic completely uh definitely for the next minute because we are going to play the video and as a reminder and i see folks in the chat saying this that yes it is still lent and i must
uh i must keep my promise to not be mean to anyone online during lent so can't be mean about the story in any way blake uh i i assume we'll be we'll be picking up the slack All right.
Okay, so without further ado, let's play cut 1-1-8.
Can I help you, sir? sir?
No.
Free palisade! Hey! Free palisade! Free palisade! Free palisade! Free palisade! Free palisade! Man's on fire! Man's on fire! Man's on fire! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Free palisade!
Hey! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
You know, I don't know.
I was watching this with some family members the other day, and they did point out it's not the best look for the local police to whip out their gun and point it at the guy who's 100% on fire and screaming.
It didn't seem like the most useful response, but it's also pretty unusual to run into someone just setting themselves on fire, so I'm not sure what I would do in that situation.
You do never know, because I'll say this from someone who's run security operations and been in the military.
When you're in a situation like that, you never know what's going to come next.
You don't know if this guy had a suicide device on him.
You don't know if he's going to get up and start attacking you.
You don't know what's going to happen.
And so if you're a security officer and your job is to protect the security of the consulate or just the people who are walking around or the embassy, I think it is the embassy, that would certainly be following the training.
And maybe that actually, and by the way, at the same time protecting the first responder who's going in to try to help because in Washington DC of all places, this wouldn't be the first time that there had been a fire and someone tried to attack the person who was putting it out. - Absolutely, absolutely.
And of course, the bigger thing here that's really interesting is just the meta responses to it.
One of the big ones that happened over the last few days... He did, oh, I will throw out that, just for anyone who still doesn't know the story, he did end up passing away.
So he died from, not immediately, but from, I think it was actually just a totality of injuries later on that evening.
Wait, he didn't die on the spot?
No, he didn't die on the spot.
They actually got him to the hospital.
How did they get it?
How did they put him out?
I think they had fire extinguishers.
Yeah, I don't know.
No, no, there is a fire.
Maybe we may have clipped it off.
Wait, that's horrible.
So he... There is a fire extinguisher that... Did we... I forget if we played or not.
But yeah, there's... Oh, okay.
So we have the longer... Do you guys want to play clip 119?
So this... 119, it's without the audio.
But towards the end of it, you can see...
It has the let's go ahead and play it because at the end of it it has the what Blake is talking about there's this it's hard to tell I think it's someone from embassy security who does have a firearm that comes out and then someone else who seems to be an emergency support that has that has the fire extinguisher that's putting them out so right you've got sort of the gun and the person with the fire extinguisher at the same time.
Well, if it makes you feel better, Tyler, if you have third degree burns, it stops hurting because you burn away the pain.
Yeah.
I mean, he must've been in, he must've been in a coma until he died.
Right?
I don't know.
I'm not an expert.
It's unlikely.
It's unlikely he was conscious.
I mean, but still the, the excruciating pain of, Oh, they put them out.
Wow.
Okay, so you haven't seen this video.
This area DC does have a lot of police in it as a regular basis on a regular basis.
I remember when I worked in Capitol Hill, if there was ever an incident, there's certain, you know, problem areas.
Obviously, the Israeli embassy has been since, you know, really since October 7th has been a place that has higher security, higher police presence.
Just because of the hostilities.
Um, but I remember the, you know, on Capitol Hill, the police response was incredible.
It was like, like three minutes, four minutes, you'd have people there.
Wow.
Yeah.
So obviously- Oh, and we should also say, um, that, uh, one piece of information.
So I remember when I first saw the video on Twitter, I was like, I was wondering, how do we have the video?
Because obviously he did not upload the video himself later.
And it turns out that when I dug into it, He went, and so this guy, full-fledged member of Antifa, full-fledged Antifa supporter, while currently serving in the military, Blake, I'll have a question for you about that in a minute, but had participated in numerous Antifa events in the past, and he was actually an active Twitch user, and so this video of himself, and there's a whole other aspect to this that we have to talk about, where he actually
Did this essentially to go viral because he was live streaming to his Twitch account, uh, when he killed himself, and that's how we have the video of it.
Oh, no way.
That's crazy.
Well, we've got, I mean, people live stream everything now.
I think we've, we're at more than one mass shooting that's been live streamed.
So... Multiple.
We definitely live in the age of one suicide, you know, going as viral as possible in a very macabre way.
Man, I can't think of any suicide that's gone this big before.
Not like this.
Well, the other famous guy to self-immolate got on the cover of a Rage Against the Machine album.
So, maybe this guy will get on the inside of a re-release on vinyl or something.
He may end up...
Tattooed on someone's face, but so but to get into the bigger big-picture thought crime elements of it so first of all one of the funniest outcomes of this after it happened is Obviously a lot of people on the left really Support the cause Bushnell was killing himself over and so they wanted to have a positive response.
So some people said rest in power Aaron Bushnell and Bushnell was the guy's name.
I'm not sure if we ever said that and So they say rest in power, which is the same thing they've said about George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, a lot of those kind of BLM-caused celebs.
And this caused backlash because several people were saying, you can't say rest in power for Aaron Bushnell because that's actually a phrase you should only use for black people who are killed.
Now, I will note Aaron Bushnell did become black, but they don't seem to be recognizing that transition.
So, for example, we have this image, some random Twitter user, uh, can we not use this phrase on white men, please?
I get the sentiment, but rest in power is historically used to mourn black people who were killed by hate crimes and police.
And that's been a somewhat common response, and so there is a very, it feels like something out of a
Black comedy or something where this guy literally kills himself to get cred with the left and Instead they complain about whether you know, they're using the right terms and their perpetual, you know grievance hierarchy I've tried so hard to not laugh this entire time, but it's like it is so out of control ridiculous the what they did To this guy afterwards.
Like, the fact that they were questioning... You know, I didn't make a Lenten promise to not laugh at people on the internet, so I'm going to embrace it.
Yes, he died, but some deaths are funny.
And there's a lot about this death that is funny.
And it's grim, too.
I wish he had not made the decisions in his life that led to him making this decision.
Becoming the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man?
Yeah, but...
He chose to do a dumb thing in the service of a cause, I will note, that is repugnant as well.
He did this to support Palestine in the context of Hamas just went and murdered a thousand people, and is then throwing this butthurt temper tantrum that Israel didn't take this very well, and is bombing them, and they're all like, ah, don't bomb us, it's not fair!
To ask about this, what are we to make of the fact that this was a guy who, as far as we know, was not Muslim.
So I don't think there was a religious aspect here.
That could come out, so I don't know.
But what do they make of the fact that this guy is a US Air Force member in the United States who's not directly involved in the conflict, presumably doesn't have any family members who are involved in the conflict, yet he's willing to become so radicalized by something that he basically got into online over it,
When you don't have people who like, I don't know, live in the region or any of these jihadist organizations that are like literally right there, you know, either operating throughout the Sinai, Muslim Brotherhood and others, or like Hezbollah that are even getting involved.
I think the leader of Hezbollah came out and said something like, oh, we're monitoring the situation.
And you don't have anybody that's doing things like this in the region.
And you get this guy who says, well, I'm going to go viral on Twitch to show people how hardcore I am.
Well, I will say with the Islamic angle of it where they're closer to it, they definitely do a lot of suicide stuff.
But they can do what's more effective suicide, if you will.
You do a suicide bombing.
You wear a suicide vest.
You ride on a paraglider to attack a concert full of hippies.
And you're less able to do that.
And I think it also goes against a lot of our moral intuitions.
It is bad to do something like that.
Whereas we do have a long tradition of protest.
And I guess it doesn't immediately get to me what...
People have different responses to this, because my personal moral intuition is that it is not heroic to kill yourself purely as a stunt.
But clearly some people disagree.
Like did this work?
Did B.B.
Netanyahu come out and say, oh my gosh, I watched this terrible video.
It didn't work with him, but I do think there's a sense that there are a decent number of normal-ish people who seem awed by this, who seem in some way impressed that this person was so committed to it that it In some sense, boosted the cause or, you know, gave him raised awareness or something like that?
Well, I mean, here's, but here's the reality and like everything I was thinking about.
There's no way this guy had this idea on his own.
Right?
I think he might've had this idea on his own.
You think so?
So somebody did this in December.
Um, there was a girl.
I just looked this up.
Really?
Before the show.
Yeah, there was a girl who and it was reported, but it wasn't live streamed.
And I don't have it in front of me.
I have something else in front of me, but I think it was like the con because I think it was at the consulate in there's a history of people, you know, you performing self-immolation.
It's all it's really old.
And then famously from the Vietnam.
Yeah, it's the if you guys want to look it up quick out here, I'll just bring it up the rage against the machine album.
And then and then the the whole Arab Spring was, you know, outside of the CIA elements.
Was kicked off by a guy who, um... What was his name?
A guy doing it in Tunisia.
Oh, the Tunisian guy.
Yeah, so it's definitely something that happens.
Which, by the way, Blake, you'll appreciate, has also been denounced ritualistically.
But so the Rage Against the Machine album cover, the guy's name was Thich Quang Duc.
I can't pronounce Vietnamese, but he was a monk who... Monks do this.
Yeah, but monks do this, but they're not supposed to shout and scream in the middle of it.
Yeah, well, it depends on who's doing it, I guess.
He famously... It was the Israeli consulate in Atlanta, Georgia, December 1st.
So December 1st, the Israeli consulate in Atlanta.
But monks are... You're not supposed to scream.
So that's what I'm saying.
So if he got the idea from the girl... I'm trying to trace this back, Jack.
We have to do some tracing here.
If they got the idea from monks, monks don't scream, so they didn't do it right.
So he didn't do it right.
He didn't light himself on fire.
Well, I don't know if there's really rules for all of that.
No, there's rules.
Monks will tell you there's rules to self-immolation.
But I don't think he did it in the Buddhist sense.
Did they take a vow of silence, maybe?
Because this guy, I wish this guy had taken a vow of cringelessness.
Because, unfortunately, for us, this is going to... I wish he had taken one because, unfortunately, this is going to live on forever.
It's kind of hard to watch something like that.
And, you know, you just can't unsee it.
You can't unsee it.
And so I guess my question, no, it's what's really interesting is, you know, Blake, I, I don't know if this has had any effect on people's opinion of the war.
I, I think it's, it's gotten some, it's gotten people more involved in it and it's sparked a conversation, but I kind of feel like if you've got a position on this, you're not changing it at this point.
What were his last words?
What did he say?
Free Palestine.
Free Palestine.
Welcome, Charlie.
Welcome to your studio.
Yes, thank you.
Sorry, I was stuck in traffic.
But it was like free Palestine, right?
Yeah, it was just kind of free Palestine.
like stopping his last words were he kind of it is quite painful to set yourself on fire.
Was that a Muslim prayer?
Was that the cult?
Always hard to tell.
I have seen some speculation that he may not have actually intended to die.
Some people have kind of thought he might have been looking around like were people going to put him out?
He might not have expected the fire to be dyspagetic.
In which case...
Wait, he set up the fire extinguishers by his phone.
Oh.
Oh, did he?
I didn't know.
I'm asking that question.
Is that where they got fire extinguishers?
Or could he maybe he called 9-1-1 before he did it?
Or or he just might have not expected the fire to be that big or maybe someone.
Yeah, he live streamed it.
So maybe he thought I don't I don't kind of rush in and say, I don't think he called it in.
I think that's just in an area of D.C.
that has a ton of security around it at all times.
Hmm.
Yeah.
But what was the what was the sound that was that rolling sound?
I don't know.
Did he knock over the fire extinguisher?
I don't know.
I don't know the whole, like, you know, this isn't the Zap Rooter film here.
It's not the mechanics of his death that are most interesting to me.
What's most interesting to me is that he did it, that people are, again, like Jack said, that people are this radicalized about something that's in a different country that our military is not directly involved in, our country is not super directly involved in, and that people are this radicalized about something that's in a different country that our military is And then the other fascinating thing to me is the reaction to it.
And, like, in the bigger picture, it's the way that all of us, A lot of people, even on the right I've noticed, there's more sympathy, support for the Palestinian cause, especially on Twitter and the like, in a way I definitely don't feel I saw in the past.
No, I think that's exactly right.
Hi everyone.
I'm here now.
Everyone did such a great job.
I was watching on my way in.
So, a couple thoughts.
It's just, it's amazing how this This is how a service member gets talked about more than anything else is they light themselves on fire for a foreign country's conflict than like dying for the American cause.
I think that's the buried lead here is that you want to get remembered as a service member.
Okay, light yourself on fire in support of like a foreign conflict.
Yeah, and I agree, Blake.
I think that there's more... I think that the... I mean, I'm very pro-Israel, and I just... I think that the pro-Israel position in the conservative movement is weakening.
Do you see that?
Definitely it's weakening.
You'll see it last at the congressional level, I think.
You still see a bit of that.
Massey has said stuff critical of us just sending tons of money there, for example.
And that's where I think you see that going away first, is there's much more skepticism of sending as much money as we can to Israel.
We'll say moral support.
We'll say, in a geo-strategic sense, we support them.
But America has an open border.
America is broke.
Maybe we don't unthinkingly send $20 billion to them every time something seems up.
But you do see it even on the more extreme end, especially on Twitter.
You can find a lot of personalities who just are vocally, they just favor, they support Palestine in this.
Why do you think that is?
Honestly, people might get mad at me for saying this, but it's it is called thought crime I think I think a little bit of this is there's two things.
I would say one is just genuine anti-semitism I think it's a brain virus that gets inside people it's you know waxes and wanes but it's just something that pops up a lot and so that manifests that way and then another thing is it's sort of Like, it's no secret in America that the left, that Democrats are sort of the, they're the regime, as we say.
They are the prestige ideology.
That is what academia is, that is what elites are.
The ruling class.
Yeah, the ruling class.
And so, by comparison, it's lower status to be conservative.
That's just how it is.
I'm conservative.
It is lower status to be conservative.
You don't get as many perks, benefits, and treated as well.
It's like solidarity with another group that is The lower status group.
The Palestinians, they are poorer, they are weaker, they are kicked around.
Wait, are you saying that white rural voters see themselves in the Palestinians?
I don't think it's so much white rural voters.
I'm using that as a joke because of the MSNBC thing.
Are you getting that a MAGA voter in Ohio that feels disenfranchised from their government Has, like, weird solidarity with the Palestinian people?
Maybe not MAGA ones, but definitely on Twitter you can find it.
Okay, so like a young 26-year-old conservative blogger for... I mean, I agree.
There seems to be a splintering.
Ten years ago there was, like, unanimous support for Israel, right?
Tyler and the conservative movement.
It was... It wasn't even a question.
It's still like 95%.
You think it's still overwhelming?
Yeah, it's like 95%.
But Blake, you're seeing something different.
I mean, I see it among some influencers.
Yeah, well, it's like, you know, Jackson Hinkle is a guy who went on Tucker Carlson's show, and I believe he's a big Palestine supporter.
There's that guy, Keith Woods, I think?
I can tell you.
Some guy in Ireland.
I can tell you why, though.
I mean, I think, you know, there's going to... I still think it's, like, predominant, and that's why we're winning over Jewish voters, like, incredibly, at incredible amounts.
But here's the difference is that you have the same educational problem that we have for all young conservatives that are going through this.
So they're finding themselves as libertarian conservatives.
They're anti-war now, which is a big deal, which is a really big deal when you talk about Israel.
I think there's going to be a natural place to be like, I don't want to send money to Israel.
I don't want to go to war.
But then also you overlay that with like what's like triggering the background is that they've been they've been taught to hate Israel because of these leftists, you know professors and teachers and so people are gonna figure out over time and Ultimately, I think what's gonna end up happening is that that we're going to as people age and they become more conservative and they become more family-friendly they also become more friendly to Israel because they understand that that's like a a Not such a bad thing to have friends in the Middle East, right?
Again, but most people, we're so far detached from foreign policy, I think, in modern America, where it's totally different from even the 70s, 80s, and 90s, where people had some leftover foreign policy experience following World War II.
I think, just to throw out, there's a couple of things that are going all around at the same time.
You know, I think one of the biggest things is that we are living through the America First era now, and we've spent, you know, two years on the right, Blake, as you say, starting with Tucker, but also with sort of the Trump era going in and saying, how does this directly affect Americans?
How does this directly affect Americans?
And it wasn't, you know, during any of that time focused on Israel, but now that Israel has come around, I think you're getting that same sentiment come up.
So that doesn't mean, I don't think it necessarily means that by and large people are becoming more anti-Israel.
I mean, obviously this is a very vocal anti-Israel segment.
But I just think in general, when it comes from a political sense that you're hearing people, and Thomas Massey I think is reflecting that the most in Congress, that are just sick of foreign wars.
For sure, that is definitely, you see the reduction in people.
You see the things.
Why does it have to do with America?
Why do we need to spend money there?
Why do we need to care about this?
I definitely see more of that, but you do see on the edge a group that is just overtly pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, and yeah, I think Andrew said it said in our chat here.
He thinks some of it is a sense.
They've been hoodwinked hoodwinked and on Israel and I Kind of get that that there's a sense that you can support Israel but there's a lot of stuff where if you hear enough about it you start to feel like It's the classic Google the USS Liberty thing.
People, if they've never heard of stuff, and sometimes they get oversold stuff.
I think there are some evangelicals who think Israel is like a Christian country or whatever.
It's not without fault.
It's not without fault, and you can learn stuff about it where if you've been fed what's almost this propaganda-level version of it, you feel like you've been lied to.
Yeah, and I just, I mean, I'm biased because I love Israel, and I've visited twice, and it changed my life, and being able to go to the Garden of Gethsemane, and see the Garden Tomb in the Old City, and go to Capernaum and Hebron, I just, I mean, Jack, you share my love of Israel, so I always have to preface this, is that I just, I love the country, I love it in its current form, I was treated super well when I went there, and I don't know if I'd have the same access to my precious holy sites if it was under Arab control.
Yeah.
Now, this is a recent thing that's been in the news.
So, you know Jonathan Pollard?
Yeah, he's the spy.
He was a spy.
Am I right?
He was a spy who sold U.S.
secret... who spied on the U.S.
on behalf of Israel.
And I believe... I think he got paid for it.
And there was some bad elements.
But we caught him and we imprisoned him for life.
But then we gave him clemency.
released him and then we let him move to Israel.
And now Jonathan Pollard is advocating for the Palestinians to be sent to the West.
And, you know, there was a large political lobby.
So that just doesn't help?
It doesn't help things.
There's, I think, there's often a sense, and like, you know, those op-eds that were running that we reacted to saying like, oh, the US should take the Palestinians because that's the great thing to do.
I think there's a lot of sense people feel like we're dupes.
So, and I will say on that particular topic, That one really fired me.
We went hard at that one.
Really hard.
For sure.
And then I had people I really respect that come on our show about Israel call me and say, oh no, that's not what the op-ed says.
And I'll say, please stop.
Yeah.
Right, Blake?
I mean, in clearest language.
Or they say, oh, it's not the government saying this.
This is the foreign affairs minister saying that the West should take Palestinian refugees.
I think they backpedaled from that pretty quickly though.
And what I told my friends in Israel and my friends that advocate for Israel, I said, if you start losing right-wing evangelicals on Israel on the like, you can't, you like, you have to draw a line in the sand.
No Palestinian refugees to the West.
Like you, this is your base.
I remember that there was another thing where someone in the Knesset proposed a bill that I think was going to restrict or abolish Christian proselytization in Israel, and then Netanyahu came out and says, yeah, no, we're scuttling that, guys.
You're not going to do that.
Yes.
Israel and America does share a problem, which is that there's some sus activity in the intel agencies, right?
I love Israel as far as it's a place for the Jewish people, access to holy sites.
I do believe that there's a place in God's plan for Israel.
We don't have to debate that.
But some of the Israel intel agencies, I don't think we have to be an apologist for.
You know, and that's okay.
I mean, I don't apologize for the CIA.
Yeah, exactly.
Or Five Eyes.
That's where people lose their minds.
They, you know, they read, oh, Israel did this intel op.
30 years ago.
Bros, 30 years ago.
Get over it.
But it's also just, I mean, any modern country has pretty clandestine intel operations.
I mean, that's kind of, whether it be the UK, Germany, Five Eyes, Australia.
On your friends.
And then I feel the need to take a step back and remind people, okay, well, why did this war happen?
Did Israel just bomb Gaza?
No.
This happened because the situation was more peaceful than ever.
And things are actually looking up.
They were having all these guest workers come out of Gaza.
They're making more money.
You can easily imagine a world where that leads to things getting better for everyone.
They already had the settlements go away.
So, you know, they have reasons to be think Israel might be a good actor here.
And then they just go shoot a ton of people, kidnap a ton of people out of nowhere.
One of the least expected massive terrorist attacks that we know of.
And that is why this happened.
And I think there is A real element, this is some sort of brain virus that works on people.
It's like how people like pitbulls because they're the most violent dog that attacks people.
Yeah, have we done a pitbull segment?
Not yet, we can talk about it another time.
I have a great pitbull story.
But it's like the Palestinians, Gaza is like the Hamas, they're like the pitbull of global geopolitical causes.
You know this whole like, I have to say two things.
One is there is this kind of emphasis like the Jews run the world conspiracy.
If that was true, why is the cause of Israel getting slaughtered online and in the media?
Like if that really was legit.
Now, and as Dennis Prager would say, I will lean on Dennis Prager, that yes, Jews do happen to do very, very well in certain industries, right?
And then the next question is, okay, so what?
What does that then mean?
But I also think it's just largely sloppy thinking of people that want to try to blame a group for some of their own problems.
Yeah.
And I just, I don't, I don't like it.
Yeah.
And it's like, oh man, Jews control the media and control all these things.
Well, there aren't that many of them.
And you know, there's a billion Muslims in the world.
Why don't you guys get your act together a little bit more?
Yeah, and it's also just, like, there's nuance, too.
And, I mean, I went, I was very clear, and I stand by these statements, that some people in the Jewish community have funded the worst left-wing causes out there.
And then also, the number one Republican donor in the last ten years is Sheldon Adelson, who gave, like, $150 million a year, and he was, you know, as pro-Israel as it gets.
I mean, there's some nuance there.
I do want to... Jack, can you walk us through this tattoo?
Is it legit?
Jack, I find this...
You know, so it's it's it's everything else we can see on on the Internet.
But yeah, there's there's this guy.
So just to show, you know, and maybe like if you're if you're watching ThoughtCrime and, you know, you're not someone who spends a lot of time on the Internet, that he has become an absolute cause celeb on online.
I'll say online where you've got elements of, as Blake says, some people who are super far to the right.
Other people that are in different pockets of the right and then a lot of people on the left that are totally Not only just on board with Aaron Bushnell But they are turning him into a sort of new George Floyd almost to the point where where this guy Vassa boy on On Instagram as apparently gotten Aaron Bushnell's name tattooed along his jawline So there you can see Aaron Bushnell in
It's not quite cursive, but you know, quasi-cursive lettering.
Um, there you go.
I think that's AJ McLean from Backstreet Boys.
Is that not?
No, AJ put it on a lot more weight than that.
I don't know.
I'm not a Backstreet Boys listener.
Can't comment.
Tyler's gonna be on his own on that one.
No, I think it's AJ McLean.
I mean, that looks like fresh ink to me.
Did you sing along with Backstreet Boys songs back in the day?
We're trying to win over moms, okay?
We have to win over moms.
We're going for the mom vote.
When the guy sings in the song, Am I Sexual, did you go like, yeah, along with all the Backstreet Boys?
I don't know.
Looks like AJ McLean to me.
I just dropped it in the chat.
Show me the meaning of being lonely.
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Well, first, favorite comment.
This is hilarious.
People will be asking this dude if he tattooed his boyfriend's face, his name on his face, for the rest of his life.
Alright, our next topic.
What a horrible thing.
Our next topic, Charlie, is the Veep Stakes!
Ah, okay.
Trump's gonna win the nomination.
Who's he gonna pick as the vice presidential pick?
Turns out there's been a lot of discussion of this lately.
The odds are shifting rapidly.
I'm super curious about that, then I'll tell you about my conversation with Trump.
Oh, that's amazing.
So the Betfair favorite right now, and this caught me really off guard looking it up just now.
Currently the favorite on Betfair, which is a British betting site.
You can bet on this thing in the UK.
You're blocked if you try to visit in the US.
But they have the favorite right now is Kristi Noem.
Five to one, so still not strong odds.
Second place is Vivek.
And then Elise Stefanik.
And then the next three, this is another strange one.
Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Ben Carson, and then in seventh place, Tulsi Gabbard.
Hmm.
So, top seven.
I'm not going to say any, like, name details, but the President has not made up his mind.
And very much open to a lot of different ideas, and we had a real robust conversation about it.
And he wants to win, and he's getting—I'll tell you right now, there are—here's what I can tell you.
He is being actively lobbied by like five or six different camps on this right now.
I'd be shocked if— And the name I think that we should really push for to be in the mix as a finalist is J.D.
Vance.
I think J.D.
Vance is a finalist, right?
Tyler, do you think that would make sense?
Yeah, J.D.
Vance is his top pick.
You know, I think Elise Stefanik would be the first little person ever as VP.
So she's right there.
How tall is she?
I think she's an LP.
She's not that little.
She's not.
I'm going to look it up.
I'm looking at it.
No, I just saw her the other day.
She's not that tall.
She's not?
She's 5'4".
That's OK as a woman.
5'4 is a normal height.
Limling.
Yeah.
Tanya is 5'3".
Tanya is 5'3".
Yeah, but she's...
Okay, well, I mean...
So you're saying Tanya should be vice president, Jax?
Is that what you're saying?
I just don't know if that's going to add much to the ticket.
I like JD because he's a very thoughtful communicator of the America First agenda.
He's from a younger demo.
He's in his 30s still.
I have a plan.
The perfect plan.
Yes.
Is it the Ohio switcheroo?
The Ohio switcheroo!
Yes.
You get JD in as SVP, and then you force DeWine to put in Vivek as Senator.
That's the that's the worst thing.
What if DeWine just says no gunpoint?
Whatever.
Not a gunpoint.
No, wrong.
This is the Nerf gun.
Nerf gun.
He means Nerf gun.
So so just, you know, we asked our audience on YouTube over one hundred and twenty four thousand people responded.
And Vivek won with 67% of the vote of YouTube.
Now, mind you, that makes sense.
YouTube is a lot of young, right-wing Bitcoin men.
Kind of like crypto.
Oh, my goodness.
Ripple is going to go to $10.
Like, no, it's actually still at $50.
I think I want Vivek to have a political job before he gets vice president.
I love Vivek.
I think Vivek would be great.
I've liked what he said.
Do I think Vivek helps with independence?
I think he helps with a very particular demo, which is late 20, early 30-something, high IQ professional college educated millennial men who listen to Rogan, listen to long form podcasting, that kind of RFK demo, I think that Vivek could help with.
Do I think Vivek helps with single women?
No.
Do I think he helps with suburban moms?
Probably not.
But I do think, and also old people love Vivek.
Like they love Vivek. - Now the question is, do you need Vivek on a ticket I think he could be a great surrogate for the campaign.
Yeah, he could be a surrogate.
Yeah.
I guess the ship has sailed here.
I agree, he could have been a cool guy with the RNC, some sort of role like that.
No, he'd be a great U.S.
Senator.
Hopefully.
Because the problem is if you lose J.D.
Well, you've got to win.
That happens after the winning.
I understand, but you lose J.D.
though, then Vivek can become this... He'd be solid.
He'd be awesome!
He'd be front face, super popular.
We have no one cool in the U.S.
Senate.
If it isn't clear.
We've got a couple people.
We've got Hawley.
He's cool.
Yeah, but even Hawley isn't Vivek, right?
Hawley... That's true.
Vivek could do things because of the way that he's run his campaign thus far, where it's like he can literally be the front face of opposition for Everything that the Democrats do, and get away with it.
Do you think, Jack, that this VP selection will be the more important, I don't want to say the most, but one of the more important VP selections of our lifetime?
So, yes and no.
I think that it's important, but for not the reasons that we're talking about.
So, I think it's important because Trump is term limited to one term.
Now, as far as we know, he doesn't, at least as of now, intend to declare himself president for life, the way that MSNBC is telling us.
Of course, MSNBC has many things to say lately, so we'll see.
But no, if you just look at it on paper, whoever gets the VP nod from Trump on this one, while he's the odds-on favorite to become president, is really launched into contention for being a potential two-term president.
So you could take a guy like J.D.
Vance who hasn't even been in office now for two years, the same way Barack Obama was only in office, also from the Midwest, by the way.
Well, I got to say Barack Obama is from the Midwest, but a Midwest state where he was senator, that he, you know, had only been a senator for two years and then springboarded into the presidency.
This is a huge springboard for somebody going forward and really someone who's going to be that kind of that working, you know, that working horse, putting the plow to the wheel every single day for the party going forward, especially a young guy like J.D., that'd be incredible.
But then as far as the actual electoral benefits of it, I just, I'm not seeing it.
Um, I, I, you know, people have said, um, there's a lot of buzz around Tulsi Gabbard saying, oh, put, put on a, you know, she's female, she's non-white, she's a former Democrat.
I gotta draw the line.
Tulsi Gabbard is a bad idea.
I just don't buy it.
I'm sorry.
That is a bad idea to have a liberal who used to run the DNC as the vice president of the United States.
That's a bad idea.
Sorry.
It's, I don't think any of these ideas are going to pick up votes.
I don't think there's any of the names are going to change anyone's opinion of Donald Trump at this point.
It's baked in.
People know what it is.
They know who they're voting for.
No one is going to change their votes based on who Donald Trump picks as vice president.
I like, this is why I liked Tucker Carlson last fall.
I would talk about this.
I don't think it can work anymore.
I still, I like certain elements of it.
I'm worried he's increased potential downside with, you know, the Russia stuff that we've talked about.
Not so much the interview.
They were going to complain about stuff like that anyway.
But, you know, him going into the subway system and talking about how great it is.
That can get you open to attacks that are just annoying to deal with.
The reason I liked Tucker was It wasn't so much that you flip people's votes.
It's that you create a vibe, a narrative around the campaign.
It would make it, oh, you have Trump and you have Tucker.
They're both transgressive.
They both drive people you don't like absolutely insane.
They both are really, you know, they're credibly promising to do big changes and people can kind of trust them to execute on that.
And you give a whole energy to the campaign, and that can drive your rallies, that drives the news coverage, and it increases your turnout.
And it sort of subtly affects how people view the whole campaign.
And that I can see having a positive outcome.
But all this stuff that's just, you know, you're going down a checklist and like, okay, well, this candidate is not white, but this candidate is a woman...
This candidate's both, but they're not really from, you know, a swing state.
It's like a committee.
You're just grabbing biographical facts about them and trying to get the ideal veep.
I don't think you get many votes that way, and I dislike that that's what a lot of the candidates feel like to me.
Like, like Elyse Stefanik.
Elyse Stefanik.
They like her because she's a woman, I think, and has said nice things about Trump.
Well, a couple things.
Elyse is young.
She's a mother.
She's in leadership of the House Conference, so that goes some way.
She has a legit scalp that has moved donors to really like her when she went after the Ivy League schools.
And she has leaned in and capitalized on that.
I was just in Palm Beach, and to Elisa's credit, she's a smart cookie, Tyler.
She gave a speech in front of donors and activists.
She mentioned Turning Point three or four times.
Wow.
We had one staffer there.
She, you know, she's a smart cookie.
She gets it.
She knows what she's doing.
She was like, I can't say, you know, we had Josh there and she was, she was all, We didn't ask her to.
This makes me uncomfortable.
Elise Stefanik was not a conservative member of the House, and then she latched really hard onto Trump.
She is an ambitious woman.
She wants to rise as high as she can.
There's nothing wrong with ambition.
There is a lot that's wrong with ambition.
The Bible does have much to say condemning pride, and ambition is a type of pride.
Depends.
You could be ambitious for good purposes, but yes.
Yes, but what I would say, this is just a read of mine, Stefanik doesn't give me a 100% trustworthy vibe, unfortunately.
King David was ambitious.
And King David sent off a woman's husband to get murdered.
She's never been hungry about coming to Turning Point Events.
No, that's true.
What I'm saying is a data point.
Which is my ruling.
That's my ruler.
It's a data point, and I've known Elise for a while, is I'm just saying that at that particular venue, She knew what she was doing by mentioning Turning Point a couple times, right?
And I was just saying, I was in Palm Beach last week, met with Trump.
The amount of people that were talking about Elise in donor circles was like a fever pitch.
It was like the Elise Stefanik fan club.
And I was like, you know, great, fine.
I don't share that anti-Elise sentiment, but I'm open to it.
I will say, on foreign policy, we're on different planets.
She has been a neocon.
Relative to other Veep picks, I think it is important that a major consideration here be the person Trump picks will be, has frankly, a measurable chance of becoming president.
Trump is old, he could die or be incapacitated.
Or go to prison.
And just also, he only has one term, so whoever his VP is, is very much an automatic favorite to be the next nominee should he win.
Can I add something into this?
Because we brought him up a few different times.
But truly, in every poll from 2015 to today, the most popular, likable Republican that exists in America is Ben Carson.
I'm a big Ben Carson believer.
I know.
There's a lot of naysayers.
And not for any of the people who say, oh, we get these emails, DEI.
It's not about any of that.
He's qualified.
No, no.
I don't even care about that.
I don't even care about qualifications, skin color, anything.
He's likable.
Yes, he is.
Ben Carson, if...
The only thing that mattered was get, you know, to the end of November and you are the president-elect.
I would love Ben Carson as a pick because all the reasons you say.
I think he is likable.
I think... He's ethical.
He's likable.
He's ethical.
He will, there's like zero downside to him.
Uh, gives, you know, kind of more of a stable aura to things.
It's sort of, you know, Mike Pence without all the things that have discredited Mike Pence.
But, I guess, I have to imagine, if Ben Carson is President, would he be able to execute on the agenda we want a U.S.
President to execute?
And he just, I think he's a good guy.
I think he'd be great if he were a President in one of those countries where the President is a much more of a ceremonial, low-activity leader.
I guess this is going to sound weird.
Ben Carson seems lower energy to me.
It's hard for me to imagine him just like ruthlessly making sure that a MAGA agenda is carried out.
This is the number one thing that people say is that he's low energy, that he's not.
Sleepy is a word.
Sleepy is a word.
He's timid.
But I actually think that that's the balance you need in a Trump run.
Because, again, we have to get across the finish line here.
And Ben Carson next to really anyone the Democrats could potentially put up for VP is going to make the Republican Party look good.
No matter, no matter what, I can't think of a single person that that would be able to Okay, but let's go to one number that I think is important.
Donald Trump, when he won the presidency in 16, won 81% of evangelical voters.
In 2020, it was 77%.
Do you think Ben Carson could get us back to 81% or above?
Okay, but let's go to one number that I think is important.
Donald Trump, when he won the presidency in 2016, won 81% of evangelical voters.
In 2020, it was 77%.
Do you think Ben Carson could get us back to 81% or above?
Yes or no?
I don't see him as super important in that.
Tyler, you know the grassroots.
I say yes.
Jack, you know, I know that you have some reservations of Ben Carson, but do you hear me out?
Evangelical, winning over evangelical voters in Wisconsin, Georgia.
Do you think we would get above Project 81, above 81, right, with evangelical voters?
Because we had a four-point dip in 2020.
Well, so here's one of the issues, maybe, but here's one of the other issues there that could
Really come back around is does Ben Carson make abortion and and now lately IVF more central to the campaign while President Trump has has as we saw from last week you know I think during our show he had a not a tweet but a truth up about IVF at a time where he's trying to not make those central I think Ben Carson would would have the same effect of turning out the left by making those issues central which the Democrats want
Okay, fair enough.
I do think, though, that he can neutralize some of the—and it's kind of bubbling up.
If you were a left-wing op, you would want all of a sudden the right to be talking about COVID again.
Like, some of the kind of COVID skepticism that people have towards Trump.
Ben Carson was great on those sort of issues.
Do we have to worry that they'll... Did we speak about... I was looking... Did we speak about the pyramids thing?
I think it's hilarious.
I think it's funny, but do we worry he could get... They'll just try to smear him as... Christian nationalist?
Well, not even Christian nationalist.
They'll just try to say he's dumb, because what he said about the pyramids is that they were built to store grain.
They just were not built to do that.
Hold on a second.
Though they do give you a free granary in the Civilization games.
Is it true that there were no hieroglyphics found in any of the pyramids?
I feel like I heard that somewhere.
Hold on, he said that the pyramid, and I don't hold to this view, he said they were built by Joseph de Stuart Grain.
Did I say David?
Sorry.
Yeah, just to be clear.
And I mean, look, Ben Carson is objectively a genius.
You could be a genius and believe in a couple things that might be unsubstantiated.
I mean, you don't separate conjoined twins and then you call him like, oh, he's a moron!
Can I also say something about Ben Carson?
Ben Carson is the only one out of this group that we can confidently say will not likely run for president in 2028.
So that's the question, is do we want, Jack I'll throw this to you, do we want an heir apparent or do we want kind of a bridge placeholder?
Do we want someone that is going to try to be a George H.W.
Bush or do we want someone that's like, I'm serving one term as VP, this is great?
So yeah, this has been my vote from the start, going all the way back to 2022 on this question.
It's something that's a name that nobody has mentioned yet, and it's more of a credibility kind of thing, where Trump is really making this, and ABC actually had this as a headline at one point, that Trump's value proposition for going into 2024 is, I will be your weapon against the federal government.
And you know, of course, every time I post that, it gets a ton of retweets, people love it.
I've actually said, you know, why don't you get a guy who wants to go after the federal government in a way that we've never seen before and isn't concerned at all with running for president again, and pick a guy who can actually go to work during the administration, not just someone who can, you know, sort of be a placeholder, someone who fits the, you know, the checklist like Blake was talking about, or someone who is just trying to, just trying to spend all this time being the heir apparent.
I say pick somebody like a Rand Paul.
I say Rand Paul is sitting right there.
There's no one with more credibility against foreign wars.
There's no one with more credibility against the federal government.
You turn them loose on the NIH.
You turn them loose on the Intel community.
You turn them loose on the 702 and the warrantless wiretapping, the FISA system.
There's your guy right there.
And imagine what kind of administration you would have with that sort of energy being involved.
Yeah, and I think that in a multi-candidate race, I think we have to be careful not to try to make the VP the 2028 heir apparent.
Right, Tyler?
I think that regardless of what happens, we need a very robust 2028 primary that doesn't have, like, the incumbency of the VP.
Like, that's way too consequential.
So, from Trump's calculus... But you'll have that either way.
Yeah, but not if you have, like, kind of the... I don't think Ben Carson is gonna... Maybe I'm wrong.
Okay, yeah, right.
Ben, probably not.
Right, but if you have J.D.
Vance, J.D.
Vance would definitely look at that as, like, I am the heir to the MAGA throne, right?
Whether that's Trump's intent or not, right?
And so these are all things that Trump has to consider.
So, Tyler, who would be...
The worst pick.
Not the worst person, they speak at our events.
I'm talking about who could potentially do the most damage.
Because we saw with McCain-Palin in 2008, that if you don't pick a person, and I like Sarah Palin a lot, it just wasn't a good pick.
You know, I think the worst pick he could make is Joe Biden.
That would be a bad choice.
I don't think he should pick Joe Biden to be his view.
Out of the ones being considered that are on the longer short list, obviously the conversation is don't pick Nikki Haley.
Nikki Haley would ultimately result in this becoming a massive problem for the party in 2028, especially if she's smart, which she hasn't proven she is, to act MAGA for four years, which she probably couldn't contain herself to do.
But outside of that, I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people have issues with Lisa Stefanik, is they just don't trust her as a conservative enough.
Yeah, anyone in leadership you inherently distrust.
Yeah, all of those people are there, so it's like you want kind of a new face, which is part of the reason why I think Tulsi's being considered.
Part of the reason, I mean, and I'll remind people too, Kristi Noem was one of the worst voters in Congress as a Republican.
Yeah, she was hilarious.
And I'll just say this from my point, I'm not going to say this for Charlie or speaking on behalf of the organization.
And I get along with Christy, I've known her for a while.
Yeah, she's been a really good governor.
I don't know if I put her in the great category, but a good governor.
The trans thing was no good.
Yeah, a good governor.
She was one of the worst congressmen that we had.
Even on COVID, which is the main reason she rose so quickly, it's just that the South Dakota legislature didn't pass anything.
Well, it's also that the state is socially distanced by default.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I left and half the population was gone.
The only one who was left was... It takes 45 minutes to find your neighbor.
On JD Vance, I like Vance, you like Vance, all of us here love Vance, and he's great to us.
to us.
Sounds like Trump is, is Vance a great politician?
Because I'll say he's a great person.
I'm sure he is.
I don't know.
And, you know, I have friends of mine who worked with him.
They all say positive things.
Great.
But, he ran in Ohio, and he didn't, like, crush the Ohio primary.
It was a pretty tough primary.
I can't remember who he was, that guy he was running against.
But it was a tough primary.
He needed, you know, some help with Trump to get over the hump.
And so do we think that he will add a lot to the ticket, Veep-wise?
I think that J... I mean, look, every single one of these people adds something.
I think J.D.
is far smoother with the media than we give him credit for.
J.D.' 's a true believer.
He is the closest that he... that if there was someone, like, who's more in the mold of what Turning Point believes, J.D.
is as close as we get in, like, American government.
I mean, seriously.
Yeah.
He showed us some real bona fides in Munich, Germany, at that conference, while being contrarian and being very agreeable in the way he did it, right?
He also, he's incredibly polished, he has a high IQ, he went to Yale, which, you know, we don't necessarily like, but he, he, but I'm saying, though, that he has a law degree from Yale, served in the military, checks a lot of those boxes, serves in the heartland, but I will go back to the age.
You have Cammy, Joe Biden, Trump, and you have just a younger face, I do think that if there was a pick, I would think less in terms of, oh, black voter or female, and more in terms of younger and older contrast.
That's actually, I think that actually strikes more of a...
Age is good.
What I like is, like I said with Tucker, narrative.
Who is strengthening the themes that make a person want to vote for them?
They hate J.D.
a lot.
The media does.
That they do.
And I can just see, and you know, you can see it pushing their buttons where they'll just like, they won't be able to help themselves and they'll come out and they'll say, two white men on a ticket?
What is this?
A year where America was still a great country?
Well, and don't forget that J.D.
Vance also is somebody who has a ton of name ID because of the book Because of the Netflix movie and the fact that I believe, uh, which I know we're going to be talking about it in a minute.
He represents the white roll rage.
Well, and think about this too.
And here's the other point that's really important.
So like, let's look, let's look at the legit.
So Charlie asked the question, who's okay, basically.
Right.
In my book, who's okay is Ben Carson.
J.D.
Vance, Byron Donalds, and throw Vivek in there, but I don't think Vivek has a real shot.
So, but let's throw Vivek in there.
Here's the reason why I agree with a lot of people that the slow thing to not pugnacious enough thing on the front with Ben Carson, just slightly under that.
So if you had to break it down, I think Byron is a better pick than Tim Scott, because Tim Scott gives you what Charlie said is like, you've got Chamber of Commerce influence.
That's Elise Stefanik-ish.
Totally.
So you have Elise, you have Tim, you have, you know, really bad former Congresswoman, Kristi Noem, decent governor, Kristi Noem that really doesn't add anything to you.
But so it comes down to me.
It's like, OK, JD and Byron, both similar ages.
That's right.
Young.
They're about my age.
They're a little older, I think.
The thing with Byron is you would need... Let Tyler finish.
Let me just say this on Byron.
So then the question then becomes, which is less tricky out of the two?
Which, like, what gives you more?
I like just from a marketing standpoint, Trump Vance says a lot like Trump Pence.
It's real easy.
But here's more important.
Or the Donalds.
You have the Donalds.
And then Charlie said you have the Donalds.
So you have Trump Vance replacing Trump Pence.
And then you have the Donalds.
So Donald Trump and Byron Donalds.
No, you know what you do with that, by the way?
I was just going to say, here's the difference, because I'm taking forever to get to this.
JD speaks Midwest.
We have to win Wisconsin.
We have to win Michigan.
He's right over the border.
He makes the most sense.
That is why I do bring up the politician question, is because Vance did win.
I agree.
He is totally turning point.
I agree with him on every issue.
Rather convincingly.
Won by 8 points.
Well, he won by 8 points.
I guess a good candidate.
Tim Ryan's a good candidate.
He came out of nowhere.
It was an open seat with a retiring Republican in a year where we didn't get the red wave, but we did make... Hold on, Tim Ryan's a good candidate though.
He had a lot of money, he's the Rust Belt guy.
Name ID.
That wasn't a two or three point race.
Name ID.
It ended up being six or eight points.
I guess what I mean is... He underperformed Trump, but still, I mean...
So, let me check how Ohio did.
J.D.
was hated by the establishment.
Trump won Ohio by like 11 and 20.
That's what I mean.
So, Trump won Ohio, also by 8, in 2020.
Can I break?
2022 was more in our favor overall, because, you know, we won the House.
And yet, so if Vance only won by 8, he underperformed Trump in Ohio.
Against a very good candidate, who was an incumbent congressman, who had a district to run, and he raised a lot of money.
A massive, he was like the most popular Democrat.
Ryan was like, he was running for Senate since he was born.
Ryan ran well for sure.
I guess I'm just saying if we're looking at this as he has special political appeal, I'm not sure that Vance has proven he's really dominant.
But is that what you want?
We've mentioned Ron Johnson several times.
What Ron Johnson has done in Wisconsin is a lot more impressive than what Vance did in Ohio.
So Ron Johnson is not in the running.
For a couple reasons.
Number one, they don't think the way we do about Wisconsin.
Number two, you lose a Senate seat.
Like, you just, you lose a Senate seat.
And we learned the lesson from Alabama.
It's bad.
You don't do that.
Like, that's a bad idea.
Don't make your VP or a cabinet secretary where you lose a Senate seat.
I love the Johnson idea.
I would be open to it.
I just think JD's a better pick.
Because again, Ron can help you.
I think you make Ron the ultimate surrogate in Wisconsin.
You have to make him chairman of the Trump campaign for Wisconsin.
Totally.
You have to make him chairman of the Trump campaign.
Literally, Ron Johnson is that important.
So, Byron Donalds, you had a concern, is it that they're both from the same state, Blake?
So they're both from Florida.
So I mentioned that to President Trump.
I was like, you know, he's gonna have to get a condo in Houston.
He's like, that's a good point.
And so how would that work with his congressional seat?
Would he have to give up his congressional seat?
He would, because you have to be a resident of the state you represent.
You don't have to be in the district, you have to be in the state.
Yes, so then if he were to get a condo... So Trump would have to move, or he'd have to resign.
Trump will not move.
That's exactly what I mean.
It's just, it's not in Trump's character to, even though he has all these properties.
So then Byron would move to Houston or like to Georgia and lose his congressional seat.
He would have to, I believe he would have to resign.
Further shrinking our House majority and him losing a very popular Collier County deep red seat.
I think Trump would just take residency in New Jersey.
No, I don't at all.
I think Trump is enjoying paying 0% tax and he's got all of his businesses in Florida.
I don't think that's going to happen at all.
Oh, with the Truth money?
With the Truth deal?
He wants to pay 11% New Jersey income tax with the Truth social de-SPAC?
The Truth money keeps him in Florida.
Truth is about the de-SPAC and is supposed to make $4 billion.
He wants to have 0% income tax.
Now, maybe Trump goes to Vegas for his Trump Hotel there.
I will admit, this annoys me a little bit.
that i will admit this annoys me this annoys me a little bit zero percent income tax it annoys me a little bit that trump the trump hotel trump could easily move he could still sit in mar-a-lago as much as he wants it would be easy for him to do it given the range and the fact that he's not representing anywhere but it's just not in his character to do that pain in the butt thing Trump will not move out of Florida.
He just won't move out of Florida.
He didn't live in Florida when he ran last time!
Therefore, Byron would have to forsake his House seat, which would then further shrink our House majority.
It's a bad idea.
Yeah, I don't love that.
And specifically, he would have to give it up, I believe, while running, because he'd have to... I don't think we touched on this, so... Well, that's an interesting question.
Like, Ron Johnson, at least, he doesn't have to quit till you win.
Wait, for the chat, just so everybody knows.
No, no, I think it's while he's running, Blake.
You can't be president and vice president coming from the same state.
Yes, but that means that he has to get all this sorted out before the Electoral College meets.
Well, I'm saying Ron Johnson wouldn't.
Ron Johnson could just run on the ticket.
No, no, of course, but Byron would have to, like, immediately resign his seat and buy a condo in Texas.
Exactly.
And so everyone knows it's the 12th Amendment, right, to the Constitution, if I'm not mistaken?
Yeah, but I mean, but they're not worried about that because they can replace Byron with anybody because of DeSantis.
Yeah, but well, first of all, it's not an appointment, right?
It's a special election, usually?
It depends on the time.
The governor appoints Senate seats.
Oh, I guess it would be because there'd be... 12th Amendment, yes.
Well, it might be too close to the election, so it would be...
Oh, no, I guess they would have to do a special election.
It would be a mess.
It would create a mess.
And by the way, our House majority is like two people right now.
So the funny thing is, by the way, the exact specifics are it's not that you can't have a president and vice president from the same state.
It's that electors cannot cast their president and vice president votes.
So all of Florida electoral votes would be null and void.
Exactly.
So in theory, we could win in a landslide.
Let's not even get near this.
We finally turned Florida into a deep red state, and we're finding a way to royally put this into jeopardy.
That's a bad idea.
Now, I guess what you could do is, in theory, you could really stretch the limits of this.
If you get the landslide, it doesn't matter.
And then, if it is close enough, after the election, but before the Electoral College meets, you quickly have Byron Donaldson somewhere else.
No, they would sue, and they would say that the electors were actually elected under the pretenses that they were in the same state.
Ooh, wow.
Right?
We're getting layers and layers.
Like, Lawrence Tribe would file that lawsuit.
Yeah, we don't want to mess around.
Let's not give them any rope here.
Are you saying that they wouldn't...
No, they wouldn't certify.
They would not certify.
The Democrats would not live up to the rules they play for us, ever.
So, in closing here, we've gotten almost nowhere on the Veep stakes.
So, Jack, all that being said, who do you like?
Rand Paul.
Okay, that's not gonna happen.
Who do you say?
Rand Paul.
It's not gonna happen.
I think it's interesting, but he's not in the running.
By the way, Trump and Rand Paul are like kind of like arguing right now.
Okay, let's pick one of the top seven.
We'll repeat the top seven and we'll each pick one from that, how about?
So the top seven that we have are Noam, Donalds, Gabbard, Tim Scott, Vivek, DeSantis.
Did I miss one there?
So if I were to say who I think Trump just kind of based on everything, I think that Elise, Byron, and Tim Scott and JD seem to have the most chatter in Trump world.
Tim Scott would be such a mistake.
So tell us why.
Look, we call him all the time the Chamber of Consultants.
Tim Scott, you saw how much gravitas he had in the run for president.
Nobody likes him.
He basically is just like, I look at Tim Scott, I just see him just as like a smiling guy, just like standing by.
But he is literally a puppet of the Chamber of Commerce.
And why don't we like that?
Well, we don't like that because the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce is going to have, this is, if you want to set up like an H.W.
Bush situation, again, and by no means do I think Tim Scott is nearly the political animal that H.W.
Bush was, that's part of the reason.
Not even close.
That's part of the reason why.
He wouldn't assume control of the CIA.
But it's more, it's, yeah, right.
He just would, I'm sorry.
The former chair of the RNC turned, you know, CIA head.
So, I mean, he's not that guy, but he is a puppet for the types of people who are like H.W.
Bush, and that's bad enough.
And so you just got to say no to that.
And personally, that's why I kind of have questions about Chrissy Noem.
Personally, that's why I have questions about Elise Stavonik.
Personally, that's why I have questions about many of these other picks.
So when it comes down to it, that's why Byron is probably a little bit arm's length from all that stuff.
JD for sure is.
He's his own man.
We've known him.
He's his own guy.
And yeah, that's where we're at.
I just feel for the reasons people want to pick Tim Scott, you should just pick either Donalds or Carson instead.
Okay.
You mean for, we want a black vice president?
I don't think we should kid ourselves.
That is a major reason all three of those guys are being considered.
And of those three, I think Tim Scott has the most strikes against him.
The biggest strike is South Carolina can't be trusted.
There's something wrong with it.
I'm sorry to any listeners in South Carolina.
It does have a bad track record in modern politics.
Or in older politics, it didn't have the best track record.
John C. Calhoun?
Secession?
And the authorship of the defense of slavery.
I actually think there's another name.
Tell us!
Let's go to wild, off-the-wall names.
Jack kind of already did this around Paul.
Give us an off-the-wall name.
So there's a congressman in Georgia who we really like a lot, named Mike Collins, who is like truck driver, born and bred, businessman, he's like a perfect look, he's hilarious on Twitter.
He looks like he came out of a movie.
He's literally the greatest guy.
He comes to all of our events.
He attends as an attendee for our stuff.
He just loves everything.
If you're not following Mike Collins, you need to start following Mike Collins today.
He is, in my opinion, the greatest congressman out of Georgia.
He's a little bit low-key.
He posts a lot of funny memes on Twitter.
But he's smart.
He's a businessman.
He's a regular guy.
And he's from a state that we have to win long-term.
Right?
So, like, this is when it comes down to the Ron Johnson conversation.
Like, how about we put up, again, likable people who are normal that people connect with that would be really fantastic.
Ron Johnson's really not, like, a normal guy.
He's, you know, a very wealthy dude that comes from a big background.
But he's super likable in Wisconsin, right?
That's great.
Ben Carson, super likable.
I think J.D.
Vance is actually really likable.
Mike Collins, really likable.
Blake, an unusual pick before we move on.
An unusual one?
You know the weird one that popped into my head that would be a terrible idea, but you put me on the spot.
Who?
Clarence Thomas.
We would lose a Supreme Court defeat.
Well, only if you win.
Gosh, no.
He's going to retire anyway if we win.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We need Clarence on the court.
He doesn't need to quit until you win.
No, we need Clarence on the court.
Plus, by the way, we already went through the whole Florida thing, so I won't rehash that, but Ana Paulina being a VP pick would drive the left crazy, too.
Is she?
So the other ones that are in contention, Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
The other one that is going to surprise people, if you really want to force the border issue and raise record money, is Greg Abbott.
I'm not a big Abbott fan, but... You're going to get a lot of boos from the Texas race.
I would have Abbott over Tim Scott.
We would lose votes in Texas.
I would do Greg Abbott over Tim Scott.
Oh, yeah.
OK.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Well, then, by the way, I got so I got asked by media a couple of times about coming out, you know, forcefully against Tim Scott recently.
And, you know, not forcefully, I guess I would just say is probably not the best word, but just just openly against Tim Scott being on the pick.
And I said, look, I'm just going to say it.
Tim Scott's a neocon.
He's a nice guy.
He's he's a friendly guy.
I think he's I think he's probably You're probably not a bad guy in any way, but he's a neocon.
He's full-throated for endless wars all over the place on foreign policy.
He is indistinguishable from Nikki Haley, and I don't think he would be a good pick based on policy.
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I don't think I have that.
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Jack can't do that.
He's...
All right.
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No, I believe if you watch some of these shows, like every other word's a swear word, and you just end up being not as interesting.
I have a theory on that.
Well, you should use swear words, like, for interest.
No, again, 100%, but I'm also not morally against swearing, but when people overuse it, it creates low IQ content.
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Okay, let's go to the next topic.
The next topic is crucial to our discussion of the Vice President and everything else.
It is...
White.
Rural.
Rage.
We have to play the tape.
So, we have to play the tape.
Do we have it, Ryan?
The tape?
Because I think that this is being misunderstood a little bit.
The way that on social media they're saying, oh my goodness, MSNC panelists called, you know, no, they wrote a book about it.
That's what, this is that, that's the key.
This is a published book where they have a, these are professors, this You know, I don't know if these guys have a romantic relationship or something, but they're sitting awfully close.
It's got the Manchin-Romney thing going.
And even Mika was a little taken back by this guy.
Even Mika was like, alright, that's a little too hard.
Play cut 120.
White rural rage, the threat to American democracy.
And Tom, we'll start with you.
Why are white rural voters a threat to democracy at this point?
I mean, we lay out the fourfold interconnected threat that white rural voters pose to the country.
First of all, and we show 30 polls and national studies to demonstrate this.
We provide the receipts in Chapter 6.
They're the most racist, Xenophobic, anti-immigrant, and anti-gay geodemographic group in the country.
Second, they're the most conspiracist group.
QAnon support and subscribers, election denialism, COVID denialism, and scientific skepticism.
Obama birtherism.
Third, anti-democratic sentiments.
They don't believe in an independent press.
Free speech.
They're most likely to say the president should be able to act unilaterally without any checks from Congress or the courts or the bureaucracy.
They're also the most strongly white nationalist and white Christian nationalists.
And fourth, they are most likely to excuse or justify violence as an acceptable alternative to peaceful public discourse.
Holy cow!
You haven't seen that clip?
I haven't seen the clip!
Oh my!
So Jack, please.
Well, I don't know if you, I mean, I'm sure everyone knows and the whole world knows that MSNBC has been going after me for basically a week straight.
Um, saying that, that I'm going to end democracy, that I'm the, uh, the illegal despot and, you know, all this crazy stuff out of the world.
And then MSNBC, including Mika, by the way, and she goes, and this isn't because you have to put this in context to these, these people, Mika and Rachel Maddow and Joy Reed and all of them.
And remember, I have to be nice.
So I have to be nice.
Cause it's like, Um, that they spent all day yesterday freaking out that Trump is going to be allowed on the ballot by the Supreme Court and saying it's the end of democracy, that people are allowed to vote.
And then here are two guys who are very, very upset that American citizens are going to vote in an election.
But at the same time, they're screaming at like, make it make sense.
Somebody please just make it make sense.
No, I mean, I joked in the chat here.
I said, do they want Pinal County to vote 90 percent Trump?
I mean, which is.
Oh, man, there are places already.
I wonder if we can get like Sheridan County, where my grandparents live, to get to 95 percent.
Now, admittedly, we get copies of this book and like put.
It's funny, Jack, I actually ordered it today.
You're going to make me read this book.
All right.
And you're going to do a book summary on it.
Oh, boy.
I'm not going to read that crap.
I'm going to I'm just going to show it up on TV to get people fired up.
So but white rural rage is the title.
They say white rural voters are the most racist, most conspiracy against immigrants.
Like, yeah, they should be against illegal foreigners.
Let's really dig into this because I'm actually really angry now.
First of all, most conspiracists like, OK, first of all, what are they even defining as a conspiracy?
Because I think all of these people believe in the biggest conspiracy theory in America, which is systemic racism, where racism is like the force.
It's a miasma that like is the reason that all the schools in Baltimore are bad because all of the teachers there are secretly Klansmen at night.
Like, they all believe that crap.
They believe all of the police departments that are blacker than any other institution in the United States, like, oh, the NYPD is, you know, 30% black or whatever, but they're all systematically racist.
The Detroit Police Department, they're all racist.
They all believe that crap.
That's a conspiracy theory, but oh, it doesn't count.
Oh, they're against the freedom of the press.
Yeah, you guys are against the freedom of the press.
You guys flip out any time the press doesn't all believe the exact same things.
Oh, they're against immigration.
So what?
If a majority of people want less immigration, which polling shows they do, that is in fact the democratic position.
Small d democracy.
The people want to vote for less immigration.
You're the one saying they can't.
Who's against democracy?
Well, to be fair, Jack is.
Play cut 1.30.
So now, my dear friends, I will reveal my plan of attack to you.
We will begin with ending paper ballots and ending Election Day.
We will remove all voter ID and all citizenship requirements for voting.
We will replace in-person voting with low-integrity mail-in options and drop boxes.
We're going to arrest the opposition leader four times.
We'll flood the nation with millions of invaders who vote the way we want, release violent criminals into the cities, disarm the populace, remove religion from the public square.
I'm going to do it all, and you can't stop me.
Folks, this is their democracy.
This is the regime that we will overturn.
So now, my dear friends, I will reveal my plan of attack.
Okay, Jack.
That was good, but they buried the lead because the phrase that I used that triggered all of them was that I said, I'm going to end democracy.
I'm going to overthrow democracy.
And I said, and it's funny because I'm like laughing in the clip.
And I go, and that's right.
You know, we didn't quite get all the way there on Jan 6, folks.
We still got a little bit of democracy left.
So we got to stamp it out in the next election.
Which, you know, you'd think that people would get the irony of that statement that we're voting to end democracy.
But no, you know, the left just isn't with that.
And then so what I want to do is list all of the things that are currently being done.
Remember, again, we have a guy who's running for president right now.
Who's leading in, I think, the majority of all the polls and certainly in all the swing states.
So the guy who's currently in the lead for the presidency of the United States that the entire media is championing to be stricken from the very ballot itself.
And we're basically being told now, I guess based on this book that we're talking about, that people shouldn't even be allowed to vote if you're white, if you're rural.
Is there going to be a test?
I don't know, Blake, maybe you could design some kind of test to determine whether or not someone is a ruralite and if they would be allowed to vote or not based on their rural-nicity.
No, the funny part is they want to run elections like Putin runs elections.
They have all this animosity against Putin.
No, it's envy, really.
It's like, well, we only want Moscow to vote, okay?
envy.
But we only want Moscow to vote.
Okay.
And we don't want any opponents.
Isn't that?
Is that the whole argument?
Putin has an election coming up.
All of this is the biggest projection in the universe.
The Atlantic just ran an article the other day by Russell Berman, whoever that is.
I have it on my screen if you guys want to bring it up.
How Democrats could disqualify Trump if the Supreme Court doesn't.
Without clear guidance from the court, House Democrats suggest they might not certify a Trump win on January 6th.
So, we already have them laying the groundwork.
Okay, well, first of all, we try to have courts take Trump off the ballot.
Then we're gonna go to the Supreme Court, have them try to keep Trump off the ballot.
If the Supreme Court doesn't keep Trump off the ballot, we can have Congress go and not let him win.
And in fact, even three years ago, we had another article in The Atlantic saying it might be Kamala Harris's job to stop the steal in 2024, where they were literally just laying the groundwork to say Kamala Harris should do what some people wanted Mike Pence to do on January 6th.
It's all the biggest projection in the universe.
They want to literally take the opposition candidate off the ballot and they're throwing this temper tantrum.
What else did they say in that video?
They said in the video, oh, they're the people who believe the most.
It was something like violent political action or whatever.
Yeah, in 2020, I don't think anyone burned down a drugstore in McCluskey, North Dakota.
A lot of people burned down their drugstore in Milwaukee, in Minneapolis, in St.
Louis.
They tried to do it in Atlanta, and actually the police stopped them.
Good for them.
They did, these people all do, they view riots as a way of achieving political change.
They're the ones who go out and say, well MLK told us that riot is the language of the unheard.
They're the ones who said, oh, all of the lockdowns are canceled for as long as we need to have giant marches against racial justice.
They're the ones who organize lawsuits against cities to get multi-million dollar payouts to rioters after all this stuff happened.
These people are just full of crap.
And why are they doing it, Blake?
Because a book like this... Actually, every time now I go do a Lincoln-Reagan Day dinner in rural America, I'm gonna bring up this book and be like, they hate you.
I mean, this is a way where we get to 90-95%.
And by the way, I'm not kidding, right, Tyler?
If we get to like 90% in Mojave County, or if we get to like...
You know, I don't know, 88% in some of these rules?
You could start to forgive some of the losses in some of the excerpts, am I right?
Well, and that's... Like in Wickenburg, for example.
If there's actually a story to be told about America, if you look, and this is the most interesting thing that nobody's talking about, Is how a lot of these rural places in America have gone from moderately blue to deep, deep red, deep red, deep red.
And this is including Iowa.
This is part of the story of Iowa and the outskirts of Iowa.
This is parts of Georgia that we're talking about is there is animosity that's it's brewing there.
And don't forget, you and COVID had the one negative impact that happened during COVID was you had a lot of semi liberals move out to the rurals and those rural areas didn't get more blue.
A lot of these places became more red.
And so, I mean, that's something that's very scary for them.
They're kind of setting the table for themselves.
Yeah, I mean, take Yavapai County, for example, which is growing.
It's grown since 2001.
Significantly.
Prescott, Prescott Valley.
If we do two points better in Yavapai, what does that mean?
Oh yeah, and that's... That's 20,000, 30,000 votes!
But that's the reason why they want to suppress the vote, right, with a lot of these people.
But writing books like this doesn't... Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys.
Super, super in the weeds, you know, Yavapai, Pinal, etc.
Charlie, for the people that are kind of like, you know, on the other side of the country that have no idea what those places are, these rural counties, the exurbs, suburbs, what exactly, 30,000 foot view are you talking about is so important if we drive out these low propensity voters?
Yeah, and Tyler knows it even better than I do.
I mean, as it goes, if you win Maricopa by one vote, you win the entire state, and that's our goal at Turning Point Action.
However, you look at some of these areas in Arizona, Prescott, I think, is the second or third largest city in the state, right, Tyler?
And Prescott is in Yavapai County.
No, it's not nearly that big, but... The fastest rate of growth.
Oh, for fastest rate of growth.
Not population.
Yeah, it's up there.
I mean, a lot of these rural places, I mean, this is the same as happened in Idaho, it's happened in Utah.
If we can run up the score in these areas... Overall, well, that's why it's important for us to prepare the table to make sure that we maintain these places so that, I mean, look, the way that they want to manipulate the vote in a lot of these places, they want to build cities up and be able to control people close together.
So even some of these places that are growing, we want to make sure people have access to land, that they can move out, they can have their own stuff.
That's the way that you keep these things.
But when people learn the American dream, what is the American dream?
I always talk with people about this.
Kids, property, marriage.
It's property!
At the end of the day, it's property, it's owning stuff.
When you take that away from people, you're in despotism.
And that is, when people unlock that, they become more conservative.
Organically, naturally.
So just so we know, Prescott has grown by 7% since 2020.
That's big.
That's on track with the state.
I actually do want to push back here.
Overall, rural America is shrinking.
A lot of this rage, a lot of this hatred is hatred of Like this remnant group in America, the rump traditional American population.
Because if you went back to 1950 or 1920 or whatever, the vast majority of Americans would resemble these rage-filled white rural people.
That would have been the vast majority of the voters.
And frankly, America was a pretty successful and great country then.
And these people have rebelled against this in a large way.
There are a few cities like Prescott that are growing, but if you look at a map of counties... Like Sedona and, you know, Flagstaff, that are more resorted... There's a few, and Arizona's a growing state generally.
Yes, so it's just the cup overflows.
But the people they're attacking are not... Ohio, for example.
Yeah, Ohio, Wisconsin, West Virginia... Southeast Ohio is not seeing a 7% population growth like Prescott.
They might be seeing a 10% population decline.
Correct.
And these are the people they're really singling out for hatred.
And what, frankly, it's said, but probably not said enough, is it really, the way they despise they being the left wing regime elites, whatever.
The way they despise rural white people, it is, it functions at least in the same way you imagine other types of like racism functioning.
Even if it's white against white, where they actually do just, they hate them.
They hate the group in it.
They hate the group They hate them in very in ways you could not get away with against other groups Any group.
Like the way you can just casually make a joke about people in Alabama, they have sex with their cousins and they're all inbred.
You can casually make that joke in all sorts of places.
For example, you can't casually make that joke about people from Somalia or Pakistan where it's actually a problem that they marry their cousins a lot.
Correct.
And you can... And potentially do it while in Congress.
Yeah, and you can do caricatures of them the way you can't do caricatures of other people.
It's almost like they're an outlet that the left is allowed to take their... It's the only regime-accepted punching bag.
Exactly.
The only one.
And especially that you can have a mean-spirited punching bag of them.
But it's also just how sinister this is.
These people have, like, very little money.
Like, they're very decent.
You know what I mean?
If there was a group to hate, like, you hate Earl, who lives in Billings, Montana, and hunts and fishes, and has two kids, and is a welder, and earns $65,000 a year.
Like, that's who we hate?
We hate the guy that goes to church and, like, drives a pickup truck and is, like, mildly overweight?
Like, we hate him?
It's even more wild than this.
Like, I want to get... No, I know Jack, but I mean... I want to get... This is an article... There's an article that came out in 2021 that really illustrates how deranged this is.
There's... This was in the LA Times in 2021.
It was by a woman named Virginia Hefferman.
And...
Let's look her up.
It's like the article opens this way.
Oh, heck no.
The Trumpites next door to our pandemic getaway who seem as devoted to the ex-president as you can get without being Q fans just plowed our driveway without being asked and did a great job.
So this woman flees a city being run under the policy she wants of you can't go outside or do anything.
So she flees from her own policies to go to MAGA country because she actually likes living there more.
And then this is an entire, this is like long article complaining about the horribleness of people who literally went out of their way to help her for free by just plowing her driveway because people do that in nice parts of America.
And she's fretting, well, but they voted for the wrong person.
They're bad people.
And this happens all the time.
You run into, you can find all these bizarre think pieces.
What should I do about all of, like, my Trump neighbors, or my Trump family members, my parents who raised me, and, you know, and clothed me, and fed me, and cared for me, and maybe paid for my college?
Should I break off contact with them because they voted for Trump?
They would say yes.
Yeah!
They run into this all the time, every single year.
We have to get guidebooks about how to, you know, lecture your family at Thanksgiving.
Correct.
I said this before, Blake, and is it an exaggeration where they, if they could, they would drone white rural America?
Oh, absolutely!
He said in that clip that they're a threat to the country!
He's talking to us like we're Al-Qaeda!
When the Bundy Ranch people took over the That, I can't remember the name, that place in Nevada, I believe it was.
You can find people on Twitter saying, like, why don't they drone them?
Drone them.
These people literally will do that sort of thing.
You know, the future, there's this dark future where we have some, like, this kind of, like, emotional woman at the FBI sobbing while she hits the button to fire the drone missile, saying, like, you made me do this!
And then blowing up their house.
Yeah, seriously.
I mean, these are people who did Waco, and it's not even that I like the guy who... David Koresh.
Yeah, I don't... It's not that I like David Koresh.
David Koresh, yes.
David Koresh, Davidians.
But think about the context of that, where they wanted to arrest this guy, and instead of just... Janet Reno operation.
And instead of just arresting him when he went to a Walmart, because he did leave all the time... He went for runs every morning.
Yeah, they had to do this macho thing to assault it, and then it didn't work out, and they're like, oh, well, better besiege it, better let the thing burn down, better spray it with gunfire.
Better kill all the children who are inside.
Why do you think we need self-driving cars?
They're gonna just drive us right off cliffs.
Yeah, like these people have these sick impulses.
This is another line in the story.
You know, uh, where is it here?
Uh, this is kind of weird.
This is referring to the plowing your driveway.
Back in the city, people don't sweep others' walkways for nothing.
Yeah, that's because cities aren't as good as rural America.
Rural America is better than you, and you should think about what that means when they don't vote the way that you do.
These people are wretched.
They're bad people.
No, they really are.
And they get to go on television instead of having rocks thrown at them in public.
So Blake, there's actually this interesting like, like flip on.
So, you know, we talk about Hicklibs a lot and we talked about like Oliver Anthony and we talked about this whole, you know, genre of, of I don't know, like a new archetype that's arisen.
You know, Will Stancil is kind of one of these guys, a person who's from sort of a more rural area, or a Midwestern area in his case, and yet has liberal tendencies, even though they sort of have like more rural aesthetics.
I think I've been trying to think of what the opposite to that is, because you see a lot of this on the New Right, that there's a lot of people who aren't necessarily rural at all.
Donald Trump, of course, is probably as far from rural as you can get.
The guy announced his presidential campaign Uh, literally on Fifth Avenue next to Tiffany's in a giant skyscraper bearing his name while, you know, wearing a suit that was worth several thousand dollars, uh, flying around in a helicopter that was in an airplane with his name on it.
So I was like, I was like, would the, would the flip side of that be like an urban con?
And so, and if so, are the urban cons like the conservatives who grow up not able to stand all the liberals that they're surrounded by all the time, the same way that the Hick-lib hates all the rural conservatives that are around them?
It's an interesting dynamic to get into at some point.
Maybe for a later show.
Let's get to the last topic.
What is it?
The last topic is squatters, actually.
Way more chill.
I'll start with this one.
I was first made aware.
So squatting's a long time.
This is not a new thing.
Before we talk about it, we should have the news hook, I suppose.
Well, we should have the news hook.
So we were talking about this today.
There's a story in the New York Post.
A Queens couple bought a $2 million home to care for their special needs son.
He had Down syndrome.
And they show up and they discover that a squatter is living in the building and New York laws being what they are, you can't evict the squatter because... So explain what that, what does that mean?
That means someone literally is living in your house and you can't remove them.
Exactly.
A lot, a surprising number of jurisdictions have laws where if a person has resided in a structure long enough, even if they're not paying anything, even if they have no legal right to be there, if they have been there long enough, they get tenant rights.
Regardless of how they caught in.
Exactly.
They could have broken in.
You will literally get cases where, for example, people move and then their house is for sale or they leave for a few months and someone just breaks in and changes the locks and maybe they don't find out because they are gone several months and they get back and the people just say, we have squatted rights here.
They'll call the police and the police will say, sorry, this is a matter for the courts now.
We can't, we can't remove this person.
So in New York City, I don't have the date when this went into existence, but in New York City, it's probably one of the most radical in the entire country.
So in some places, adverse possession, this takes over like seven years of being in a facility or in a location or like 10 years in some states.
In New York City, it's 30 days.
It's literally 30.
If you can prove that you live somewhere for 30 days, then they can't evict you, which is insane.
Like you could be, you know, you could be visiting family or somewhere like somewhere for 30 days.
You could be like away or some people do the snowbird thing where they, you know, they'll be in in Florida for the winter and then come back after 30 days.
And now all of a sudden someone lives in your house.
It's insane.
It's pretty funny because this is like a relic of really old law, like Anglo-Saxon common law.
It's a relic of times where land title isn't quite as well-defined as it is or where, you know, like a war happens and people flee and so you need some way where, oh yeah, stuff happened and these people ended up living here and after 10 years it's their stuff now.
And we get these relics of this, and now we're in a time where you really don't need those standards anymore, but we still have these laws.
And it's much worse in Europe.
This happens all the time in Europe, where they'll have, like, Romani people just move into their house and never get them out.
Correct.
Gypsies.
They're called gypsies.
Okay, we'll say gypsies.
Go ahead, guys.
I'll tell the story at a different time.
I'm exhausted.
So, anyone else got something to say?
No, no.
Tell the story.
Sorry.
We were just making sure to offend people.
Okay.
So I was first exposed to squatters when I was like 10 years old and I was in Highland Park, Illinois.
There was a very, very nice house that a guy owned and he vacated it for like a year and he went to sell it.
A homeless guy broke in and started living there.
And he didn't know it for the first, like, 35, 40 days, and it took him literally years to get him out.
He just lived in the house.
Couldn't do anything about it.
Yeah, and so... And so it was his house.
And literally had to go to the court, and it got, like, delayed because squatters' rights at that time were like, yeah, if you live there long enough, it's your house.
That's so true.
Yeah.
And so isn't that unbelievable?
I mean, this is going to this is going to grow, by the way, with all the illegals and stuff.
They're going to start breaking into people's vacations, homes and being like, it's my house.
Oh, yeah.
And this is part of, you know what, though?
They can get those.
It's also it's it's COVID and the housing, just the housing crisis that we're in right now.
So as people aren't able to afford properties or like banks and BlackRock and other things aren't going to be able to afford to maintain their properties and then they can't rent them out.
So you're going to have all these properties that people speculated on for rentals that are just going to sit open people are going to move right in and and your supply the way you can go on tiktok right now i saw this in new york post that uh there are like tutorials on how to target a house for squatting and like there are guys who just do this there's even there's literally cases where they'll
they'll scope out houses that are for sale and then people will fake lease them to people and then get them in there long enough that they'll have squatters rights and then the person who actually sold the Malise just skips town.
The Chinese may not even need to buy up our land anymore.
They can just send in a bunch of squatters.
Yeah.
CCP.
Our own laws against them.
We're gonna get TikTok.
It'll be TikTok videos.
Here's how to fly to Mexico.
Here's how to cross the border.
Here's what you tell them.
Here's how you apply for the $15,000 a year credit card New York will give you.
Here's how you get housing.
You just break into this place.
Here's the NGO that you will call that will give you free legal representation against these poor saps who are stuck trying to evict you.
And here's this giant corporate law firm that'll chip in.
Here's their pro bono program.
Here's the NGO to call.
Yeah, and just it truly is a vast apparatus.
All right, I want to close with a tease.
We have made the decision we are going to stream live on Tuesday for Super Tuesday.
So hopefully, I think Trump's going to win every state, and that will just be kind of fun to watch and see and go through all the states, and also just kind of talk about different political dynamics in each of those states as it comes in.
What are the Super Tuesday states, by the way?
They change every time.
There's a bunch.
A couple moved this year.
Let's go through the list.
Really quick, because I think it'll be really fun to kind of do that and make a 2024 preview.
You have GC's a few days before, so that that's That shifted.
Idaho's a few days before.
Vermont, Utah, Virginia, Tennessee.
Minnesota.
Do you think Nicky could surprise in California?
I don't think so.
They love Trump in California.
The California Republican Party is actually pretty right-wing.
They only get 35% of the vote now.
Hey, the question is, is Andrew voting in the California primary on Tuesday?
Oh, snap!
He's gonna put on his MAGA hat and he's gonna go vote for Trump?
I love that.
Andrew, I know you're just in the chat, but producer Andrew, do you actually vote in California general elections, or do you just not waste your time?
Yeah, he does.
No, the real question is, does he vote in the races that don't matter at all?
Does he show up to get massacred in the Santa Barbara local elections?
Why not?
I love it.
It's fun to, you know what I do?
I tell everyone, you want to make sure your ballot counts, find a race you don't care about, and write in a random name so you can always go back when they hand count the ballots.
That's exactly right, and check if it worked.
I have like three of your friends do the same thing, like write in Harry Potter for the water commissioner, and you would know it should at least have four votes.
All right, everybody, see you on Super Tuesday.
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