EPISODE 642: JEFFREY EPSTEIN - THE BAGMAN FOR THE DEEP STATE
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Today is January 5th, 2024.
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It is January 6th Eve, folks!
How are you celebrating this year?
Joe Biden is celebrating right now by deciding to declare millions of Americans As extremists.
Meanwhile, we had a school shooting yesterday that was perpetuated by a gender-fluid individual who was considering going and transitioning a Reddit user.
And by the way, how many times have I warned you about Reddit users?
A Reddit user who was considering transitioning shot up a school yesterday, killed a sixth grader, And yet it's completely gone from the entire mainstream media headlines the minute that it turned out that there was a trans angle.
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That's gonna go away, no one's ever gonna talk about that the same way that nobody's ever going to talk about the Nashville shooter, once again, who continues to be in hell.
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But folks, we know what's really happening here.
We know what's really happening.
Because on the heels of the Epstein Files release, I would say, and yesterday we broke down on the show, that it was the Patriots versus the Pedo Ring.
And guess what?
The network's on the run.
We've got them on the run now and don't let them tell you we don't.
They're getting desperate.
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They're all aliens in at the Miami wall.
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Don't look at the Epstein files.
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We have an election coming up.
We have serious work to do and serious business.
We are exposing the crookedness and the perversity of this regime all the way to its rotten core.
And yes, Jeffrey Epstein is an indelible, indelible mark on that rotten core.
Because to understand the kind of regime that would work with a disgusting freak like this, to understand what kind of regime would allow child rape at an industrial scale, right under their noses, and then to participate in the industrial scale rape of children, then you would understand
The shape of the regime that we are dealing with.
This isn't 1776 in the British Empire.
This is something far darker and far more sinister.
And so my question is, do you have the stomach for it?
Do you have the ability?
Do you have the guts?
Are you going to stand there and say, I will not quit and I will not surrender?
Are you going to be willing to take the names and the insults and the slander when they come for you?
Are you going to be able to take it when they come for your family?
They're coming for mine.
And I'll tell you right now, we must pass this test.
The central animating test to restore the original American Republic.
Mike Benz is on with us next to talk about the Epstein Network and the aftermath.
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Wanna bring in though here, Mike Benz, who we haven't had on since I believe before the break because we're going through, what I always go to Mike Benz about is the shape and nature of the regime that we focus on.
And I believe today's episode's theme really is the shape of the regime.
Mike, when you look at these Epstein files, and we've seen this play out over a period of years where people were told that it was a massive conspiracy theory and you were crazy and everyone was smeared for saying these types of high-level blackmail and truly brownstoning operations We're going on by the National Intelligence Agency is now we have them out.
People are playing the game of who's in, who's out, what are the names.
But if I wanted to with you to kind of go to that 30,000 foot view that you are so good at providing, walk us through the nature of how the Epstein network was used in terms of the furtherance of the regime's goals.
Yes, so there's still a lot of competing theories about Epstein's ultimate role because he's connected to so many different aspects of the intelligence structure and geopolitical affairs.
I mean, it ranges from speculation around the U.S.
intelligence services to British intelligence services to Israeli intelligence services, his influence spans everything from the biosecurity state and the WHO and Bill Gates, all the way into our universities like Harvard and MIT.
He really is sort of a where's Waldo figure of how the transatlantic national security state potentially runs blackmail rings or other sorts of dark arts intelligence collection activities Recently there were several prostitution rings busted in Boston and D.C.
that U.S.
intelligence analysts have come out and said are likely to have been one of these Epstein-style intelligence collection sexual blackmail situations.
This is something our own intelligence services have been doing since the 1940s.
1940s, really the best receipt that we have on Epstein's intelligence ties at a direct level was during Secretary Acosta's labor secretary confirmation when he was asked why he didn't go harder on Epstein in the initial prosecution really the best receipt that we have on Epstein's intelligence ties at a And his answer was that Epstein, he was told to back off Epstein because Epstein, quote, belonged to intelligence.
And you also have this situation where Bill Barr, who was the head of the Justice Department during the Trump administration, who was the head of the Justice Department when Epstein Epstein himself in whatever fashion that ultimately transpired, Right.
Bill Barr was the mop-up man for the Central Intelligence Agency during the Church Committee hearings in the 1970s.
You can read the Wall Street Journal's synopsis of his role there.
Bill Barr worked directly for the CIA at a time when the CIA was about to be blown to a thousand pieces by Congress when they got busted spying on left-wing groups and manipulating left-wing student groups in the 1970s.
Bill Barr was credited for blocking the congressional investigations into CIA dark arts activities domestically and was ultimately promoted through the ranks because of that.
Bill Barr's father also served in the OSS, which was the predecessor to the CIA.
So you have our own Justice Department employees, like Acosta, saying that Jeffrey Epstein was protected by the CIA, and you have the CIA essentially ending the investigation before it even began by declaring it a suicide, and then magically both of the security tapes malfunction, both of the security guards fall asleep, and all the pages out of the logbooks magically disappear.
And so, Mike, let's peel back a layer here because we're talking about these sexual blackmail operations.
I've called them brownstoning.
A lot of people refer to them as brownstoning, but what would be the goal of such an operation?
And I've heard, we kind of got into a debate last night on ThoughtCrime about this, and people can go check that out.
It's taken off on Rumble, but you know, they said, okay, well, let's say he is doing this, you know, sake of argument, let's just say, yes, that's what he was doing.
It was blackmail.
These guys were getting blackmailed.
What would the specific goals of such an operation be?
Well, it could be to end the political careers of people who challenge the national security state or intelligence services or whatnot.
We've had many cases of this in our own recent history.
You know, we had a speaker, Dennis Hastert, basically have his career die over sexual impropriety situations when he got busted with, you know, essentially with gay sex with a clerk, under very strange situations, by the way, for that as well, that person having been sort of foreign born.
And you could see The issue is, and one of the frustrating aspects of this, is that there have not been people who've really come forward during this Epstein extended public trial, shall we say, since 2019, that have personally talked about blackmail since 2019, that have personally talked about blackmail situations as a result of the Epstein network.
So when it comes to the blackmail aspect of this, much of it is sort of grafting onto prior historical anecdotes.
We don't really have hard confirmation of that.
The thing we have hard confirmation of, it would seem to me, would be the cover-up and the relationship to intelligence.
And then from there, it sort of sputters into this very frustrating speculation.
Well, I think that's exactly right because, you know, and I've also heard people, and this is one of the aspects that came up on there, and they said, well, why hasn't someone come forward?
Well, I think it's obvious why it is frustrating, but of course, I think it's obvious why nobody wants to come out and admit that they've been blackmailed, or that they were blackmailed, or that decisions that they've been making, potentially political decisions that they've been making, or even geopolitical decisions they've been making.
But I offered another point here, and I said, look, when I was in The US intelligence community, one of the things that we are constantly running counterintelligence operations, looking for foreign intelligence agencies, China, Russia, Iran, compromising our assets or compromising our national security.
And so they weren't necessarily also just targeting, you know, politicians, they're looking for people who have access to information, access to people with proprietary data.
access to people who have cybersecurity information, all of those various nodes, really anything they can get after.
And so when we talk about these blackmail operations, I think people need to look at it with a much more of a full spectrum position because it's not just, oh, you work for us now and you're gonna, it's not the Manchurian candidate every day A lot of this stuff is more along the lines of, you know, kind of what they talk about in Oppenheimer, you know, give us the files, give us the plans, give us the codes.
This sort of thing that, you know, may go on for years and years and which, oh by the way, did go on for years and years during the Cold War.
Yeah, and then even beyond the intelligence collection, there's the strange broker role that Epstein seemed to play in commercial transactions and in the affairs of the billionaire class.
And this is something where there's sort of a strange linear line that you can draw between a Hunter Biden role and a Jeffrey Epstein role, if you will, which is to say that Epstein – take Epstein's relationship with Bill Gates, for example.
Bill Gates tried to get away from accusations of being involved in the sort of Lolita Express and Little St. James Island by talking about how his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein was because Epstein was essentially a broker to investments in the biosecurity sphere that Bill Gates was involved in through Gavi, his vaccine alliance, and through various WHO machinations.
The fact that Epstein had these relationships with large corporations and with the Very powerful nation state governments made made him sort of a interlocutor, a sort of liaison to those to those business deals.
And, you know, you almost see a similar situation.
You know, I don't think that there's accusations around child trafficking, for example, with Hunter Biden.
But you see the same sort of rock and roll lifestyle, high profile, high net worth, deep, deep connections, constantly surrounded by drugs.
and prostitutes and firearms.
I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was tightly connected to the to the gun running network of Iran Contra and the in the whole Les Wexner mega group that had been operating at least since the 1980s with the national security state with respect to drugs for guns for cash to fund U.S. proxy wars.
And so you have you have these sort of figures who appear to loom large in This is fascinating.
The bag man for the deep state was Jeffrey Epstein, one of them.
Stay tuned.
for these deals at the end point seem to be these discardable figures on drugs and guns. - We're coming up on a quick break.
This is fascinating.
The bag man for the deep state was Jeffrey Epstein, one of them.
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We'll get back to Mike Benz here.
You know, during the break, I was going over this theory that you have of Epstein as this, the bag man of the deep state, where it, as you say, it seems like he's involved in a lot of different operations, he's got his fingers in many different things.
And truly, when you get to the overstate level, that's how these people tend to work that their assets, and their nodes that aren't necessarily being run by one thing, but they've got different, different taskings by different agencies, by different events, different, different different taskings by different agencies, by different events, different, different groups, I guess you could say, at different times.
One of the people that this reminds me of is, is Victor Bout.
Now, we don't have any indications that Victor Bout was involved in, uh, Child sex trafficking, but certainly involved when it came to guns, when it came to money trafficking, money laundering, and obviously arms laundering.
That was kind of the Russian version of this.
And then with Jeffrey Epstein, what do you find?
There's an American version, and of course, it's got that underage sexual aspect to it as well.
But to your point, they both play a key role within the national security infrastructure of their own countries.
Yeah, well, here's a great example of this.
Have you ever gotten a personal apartment overlooking Central Park to rent from the U.S.
State Department?
Has the U.S.
State Department ever given you property to live in overlooking Central Park, New York?
You know, not recently.
But yeah, there was a time.
Does anyone know anyone who's had New York prime real estate rented to them directly by the State Department?
Well, we know of one case of that, which is Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, talk about being a bag man for the deep state.
You have the literal State Department in 1996 rented out a seized property, seized Iranian real estate in New York.
They seized it from this Iranian tycoon and directly lent it out, leased it out to none other than Jeffrey Epstein, a direct State Department lease to, you know, this.
What the heck is the State Department doing with a transaction like that?
And what's really funny is Epstein didn't get in trouble for this property transaction until he then subleased the property to a lawyer for free.
So the lawyer was paying nothing for this.
By the way, you can read this on my timeline on X right now.
If you go to at Mike Ben Cyber, you can see the article I'm referencing here from BuzzFeed, where it goes through this whole thing.
But Jeffrey Epstein turned around and took that State Department, Central Park apartment from the State Department and leased it out to essentially the mob lawyer from the French Connection and Pizza Connection drug rings.
This was this guy was the was the lawyer for the mob defending the mob against running international racketeering and drug laundering charges from the from the 70s and 80s.
So you have this direct transaction from the State Department to Jeffrey Epstein to mob lawyers involved in international narcotics trafficking.
How can you explain that, simultaneous with the data point that you have an assistant attorney general of the United States Justice Department saying Epstein belonged to intelligence, while the intelligence arms overt diplomacy wing, the State Department, was simultaneously doing real estate deals with the guy while he was passing it on then to the seedy underbelly of the mob world?
And this is really key, because there are times when... and Ben, walk us through this a little bit, because why is it that we see so often this overlap between the interests of what I've called the overstate, the regime, Central intelligence, I'm not going to say that, you know, just the CIA, but also these intelligence agencies and then organized crime.
And because to me, it's really the fact that you have people who have a certain set of skills, right, to use the A-Team reference, Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons for this.
in order to procure, to move items, to do so surreptitiously, to get the job done.
And so you'll see these connections between, and I think people know, the connections between the FBI and the mob go back quite some time.
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know, there's a lot of reasons for this.
A lot of times, you know, the blob, our national security state, our Defense Department, State Department, and CIA, we need dirty things done oftentimes, but we don't want to claim responsibility for doing them.
So we need relations with mob-type organizations, or sometimes it's union, you know, sort of seedy unions, or sometimes it's money laundering activity, in order to do these things in a, quote, plausibly disclaimable way, that is, plausibly deniable way.
That was actually the impetus for the construction of the CIA under the 1947 National Security Act was to create a cloak-and-dagger agency that had plausible deniability powers.
That is, they could do anything, essentially anything they wanted at the time.
They were engaged in assassinations, government overthrows, election rigging, working with the mob, you name it, as long as they could publicly deny responsibility for it.
But this goes back a long time.
So, for example, in this case that we're talking about with Epstein, what was Epstein doing with the mob lawyer for both the French Connection And the pizza connection cases now that the pizza connection, the French connection story involved essentially heroin processing facilities in France that were used for laundering money for U.S. proxy wars.
See, when when the U.S. was fighting against Mao in the 1940s, we were propping up the the Kuomintang, the KMT, Chiang Kai-shek against the Chinese.
Yes.
Right.
Nationalists against the communists.
But we we couldn't get congressional appropriations for it.
So we came up with a really cute trick.
We, uh, we realized that the KMT was sitting on Golden Triangle opium, and if we could use CIA proprietary airplanes to fly that opium to, uh, to essentially to Italian drug networks and to French drug processing facilities, we could fund the proxy war in China by creating a heroin economy facilitated by the CIA.
Now, we had these relationships with the Italian mob because we worked with them in the 1930s to go against Mussolini.
Now, this is a conflict that we have in a government, which is that we work with the groups that the government we're trying to topple is prosecuting.
So criminal gangs, for example, in Iran in the 1950s were being persecuted by the government there.
So the CIA and the State Department worked with the criminal gangs in Iran.
Same thing in Turkey.
Same thing in Greece.
Same thing in Italy.
We worked with the southern Italian mafia groups in the 1930s to establish a beachhead against Mussolini.
When World War II ended, we maintained those relationships to serve as a buffer against Soviet influence, communist influence, in perpetuity throughout the Cold War.
And so we had these They served an essential function to be able to launder money that would then be used for proxy wars that could not get congressional appropriations.
These types of things have all been cleared up, by the way.
None of this would be going on with the cartels in the border in Fentanyl currently.
I mean, that would just be insane, right?
Oh, heaven forfend.
I mean, you know, what's really funny is, you know, both of the major cartel groups in In Mexico, as well as the largest cocaine cartel in Colombia, all have deep, intricate ties with the Central Intelligence Agency.
If you look at the relationship between the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico or the Medellin cartel in Colombia, you will find a long and industrious history of the top cartel members time after time having a longtime relationship with the Central Intelligence Agency, as did the leaders in you will find a long and industrious history of the top
You had almost all of the top leaders of these gangs work with the DEA and the CIA before ultimately going nationalist for their own people and then suddenly turning into the bad kind of cartel members.
But then beyond that, you have things like Fast and Furious.
Fast and Furious was a situation where, just like with Bill Barr and Jeffrey Epstein, you had a situation where the highest law enforcement officer in the land, that is the head of the Justice Department, at the time it was Eric Holder, this is during the Obama reign, Eric Holder, Eric Holder, the reason that he got impeached and held in contempt by Congress and kicked out Congress is because he fell on the grenade of the interagency.
Fast and Furious was an FBI ATF gun walking operation to send guns to the Sinaloa cartel over the Arizona border.
They set up gun shops.
To give basically no check guns to walk them over.
Now Fast and Curious had the approval of the State Department.
of the FBI, of the ATF, and the National Security Council.
That's going to encompass the CIA.
So they had an interagency remit to arm Mexican drug cartels.
Now, this was, of course, going back to the fact that the rival drug gang at the time, the Zetas, was at the time currently poaching US national interests in the oil and gas space in Mexico, We source a lot of our oil from Mexico.
So I personally believe... And real quick, who was training the Zetas in the first place?
Well, it's the US military.
And also the Israeli military.
But you have this... We set up these proxy groups.
Right.
Well, the nature of war changed in the 1940s, where we had to start fighting through proxy wars.
Mike, I'm just looking at the time.
I realized we're bad clock management on my end.
Where can people go to follow you, get all of the information?
These proxy wars.
Follow me on X.
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Where is Jack?
Where is he?
Ben's cyber breaking it all down.
He's got to have huge scoops on NewsGuard coming out as well.
The proxy wars, the funding, the money, the blackmail, and it all ran through Epstein's Lolita Island.
Where is Jack?
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Jack, I want to see you.
Great job, Jack.
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You said rightly or wrongly, chaos follows him.
Is it rightly or wrongly?
Is he the one who causes that chaos, or is he just the unwitting victim?
It's both.
I mean, you see a lot of these cases they've brought against him are political in nature.
And there's no basis on it.
And then you see some that he's going to have to answer for.
But look, I'm not telling you anything I used to tell him.
I used to tell him he's his own worst enemy.
So you got Nikki Haley up there last night, goes to CNN and says that Trump deserves the charges against him.
Gavin Wax from the New York Young Republicans joins us now.
Gavin, what do you make of that comment?
The fact that not only does she say that some of the charges are warranted, but also that he needs to answer for some of these charges.
I mean, I would ask Birdbrain, what are these cases that have merit?
What are these cases that have any basis in law?
I mean, they're all politicized.
They're all baseless.
They're all an attack on our republic.
They're an attack on Trump.
they're meant to, you know, manipulate the entire electoral process in favor of the radical left that control these institutions from the judiciary to the district attorneys to, you know, every major institution in this country.
And if Republicans don't recognize that, that they shouldn't be running for president.
They shouldn't be running for any office from, you know, president down to local dog catcher.
We need people that understand what time we're living in.
And the entire system is being weaponized against us, against conservatives, against Republicans, from the J6ers to President Trump to anybody.
And if they can get away with this against President Trump, they'll certainly do it to many more people, many of his supporters, many of his more vocal supporters.
And we don't have time for vapid politicos like Nikki Haley, who has been on the wrong side of every major issue and every major turning point in American political history over the last two decades, from the Confederate statues to BLM.
What she's really doing here is the exact same thing that you saw from the DeSantis camp of basically saying that she thinks that she can get the nod.
Here's the real reason she's doing this.
the reason she's doing this is because she knows the only way that either her or DeSantis, and she does appear to be pulling ahead of him right now, can actually become the nominee is if the deep state is able to take Trump out of the race, whether by taking him off the ballot, whether it's one of the indictments, whatever it is.
So she's going along with them the same way that DeSantis and his crew went along with this because they know it's their only chance.
And I guarantee you that is exactly what she's running around telling donors right now, because she's going to say he's going to lose his support.
He'll be convicted.
He'll be taken off the ballot, one of these things.
And that's why we have to go in.
Before we move on, I want to play another clip.
I know, guys, I want to play, since we are here on January 6th Eve, I'd love to play the clip of Ron DeSantis when he was asked about the January 6th defendants.
Play SOT 2.
Futurism.
Did the January 6th insurrectionists display patronism, as some of them claim they did?
No, of course not.
I mean, that was not a good day for the country.
I think the media has taken that, and I think the left has taken that and really tried to politicize it, but it was not a good day for the country.
You know, patriotism to me...
Gavin, what's going on?
Both of these both of these losers are employing a strategy that you just outlined.
They're trying to especially in New Hampshire, which is an open primary.
They're trying to win over independents and Democrats to vote in the Republican primary in New Hampshire.
They want to boost up, obviously, Ron DeSantis's numbers because he's going to have an embarrassing performance there.
And obviously, Nikki has been polling slightly ahead.
I still think it's largely inflated.
So they're trying to appeal to the left.
They're trying to appeal to Democrats, to these to these left wing independents, whatever it is.
And they're trying to fight over the small slice of the Republican electorate that's anti Trump and that's Uh, you know, that hates the Jan Sixers.
I mean, it's, it's really pathetic.
It just goes to show that these guys have really no principles.
Uh, their electoral tactics and strategies have also been pathetic, uh, ignoring the ideology that they're now espousing.
I mean, Ron DeSantis, his state has more January Sixers than any state in the country, and he's done nothing, uh, to help them.
He's done nothing to raise awareness.
He's done nothing, uh, to support them in their, in their plight.
I was at Bedminster multiple times, uh, just this past year for multiple fundraisers that President Trump, attended and spoke at for the Jan Sixers, where they raised money for legal fees, where they raised money for them.
He's actually fighting for them day in, day out.
I even know at our gala that he met with many of them.
We had a whole table of Jan Sixers at the New York Republican Club gala that he met with before he took the stage.
He actually cares.
He cares about these patriots.
And that's what they are.
They are patriots.
So I don't really care what new games Ron DeSantis and Nikki Birdbrain are playing.
It's desperation at its finest.
They're burning political capital.
I don't know what consultants are advising them on this, but it's really, really bad.
And it's only going to get worse for them, especially after this primary is over, because their political future is going down the toilet.
Well this is really what gets me too, especially with DeSantis going after the Jan 6 protesters because you had, look, people have said 50,000, people have estimated as many as 100,000 people that were there that day.
I was there that day.
Let me tell you something, the people that I saw were extremely patriotic.
They were displaying extreme patriotism and as President Trump said at your gala, He said, yeah, I am a MAGA extremist because I extremely want to make America great again.
That's the extremism.
And so this, this idea that it's, oh, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say, and Jack, I mean, where, where has Ron DeSantis been with all the revelations about the unindicted co-conspirators, Ray Epps, the Fed involvement?
I mean, he wants to, they're, they're overcharging, they're persecuting these poor people, many of whom were just, you know, honest middle American folks coming out.
They, they walked in when they were welcomed in by Capitol Police and now they're, now they're sitting in jail cells.
Where is he?
Which, by the way, his own campaign team has spent so much time of 2023 attacking Trump for saying that Trump should have pardoned everybody, that Trump should have done everything, that he should have raised money, even though they were not charged before he left office.
And also that he has been raising money for them at Bedminster, at the New York Gala.
He's with them.
He released a song where he's doing the Star Spangled Banner and the National Anthem, which, by the way, all is to say, you know, you can say I'd be perfectly fine if he just came out and said, I don't, or I guess at least DeSantis is being honest.
I'll say it this way.
The campaign was being dishonest to say that Trump didn't do anything.
But then DeSantis comes out and undercuts his own campaign's talking points.
And at least says something honest.
He said, and he just said, I have disdain for these people.
I don't think they were patriotic.
And he's showing that same type of elitist disdain that I think a lot of people have come to associate with Washington, D.C.
Yeah.
And this whole campaign has taken on this new milieu, just embracing the Beltway, embracing, you know, at most these mundane, you know, conservatarian positions of yesteryear.
And then at the same time, in his other breath, they're just completely accepting the left's frame, the left's narrative on January 6th on the politicized prosecution and persecution of the president.
I mean, these are the key issues of our day and age.
These are the key issues facing our country, our republic, how our institutions are being turned against our own people, against honest, hardworking American citizens.
And these guys are just completely falling over backwards to get headpats from CNN.
And it's pathetic one again, because it just goes to show they have no principles, but it's even more pathetic because it's not going to do anything for them.
And like you're saying right now, he's undercutting.
uh, constantly the talking points in the narratives that his own little surrogate army are constantly promoting online with their bots, uh, in tow.
It's a joke.
So they can't even keep the party line straight.
They can't even keep the slogans and the talking points together.
It just goes to show that this is an incompetent campaign that was never ready for prime time, never ready for the national stage.
It's just stuck to Florida politics, uh, and governed his own state.
Like he said, he was going to instead he's yeah.
I'll even, I'll even just come out and say it.
All No, it's not the Gen Sixers that weren't displaying patriotism.
It's Ron DeSantis who is not displaying patriotism by not standing up for people who have a God-given right to protest a stolen election that is their belief and that is their right, given by God, protected by our First Amendment, to be there and protest that election.
That is the essence of Patriotism.
If you believe you are living under a tyrannical regime, then you have a right to protest it.
You have a right to assemble.
You have a right to have your voice heard.
That is patriotism, sir.
And if you believe otherwise, then I'd really, I'd really like to ask Ron DeSantis, what side are you on?
The same way when I hear Nikki Haley, which case is Nick?
Which cases are the ones Trump has to answer for?
You gonna lay it out for us?
Is it the Mar-a-Lago ridiculous case when he had his own documents and they claim that he stole documents that were his as the commander-in-chief?
Was it Manhattan where they're claiming this ridiculous felony was a crime that's never been chosen or never been charged regarding campaign finance?
Which is it?
Tell me which ones it is, Nick.
Which ones is it?
While you're sitting there in your little mansion that Boeing paid for Off right right off of the beautiful island there in South Carolina State 10.
We're going to be back with more Gavin Wax and Jack Poso right walking through the townhalls.
That's not true.
That's not true.
Yes, yes.
Wait till what happens when we get out of Iowa.
We're going to be able to win a lot of states.
We have a great organization in New Hampshire.
We have a great organization in South Carolina.
We can have a lot of great organizations throughout Super Tuesday.
So you're going to see this is very dynamic.
You're going to see it's a long process.
We're going to be able to win, so stay tuned.
But to say that we've put all the eggs is not true.
We have great organization and field programs in the early states and we're going to compete in all of them.
You know, Gavin, so when President Trump was at the gala in New York City there, which we attended, he made a huge point of saying that when he came to the dinner there at Cipriani's Wall Street, he said, I'm not just here to speak to the organization.
He said, I'm here because we're putting New York into play.
And he went on further with Breitbart earlier this week to say that they want to put New New Jersey in play, Virginia in play.
I would argue Virginia is obviously in play in 2024, there's no question.
But he even said New Mexico.
There's even talk that I've seen of President Trump doing a rally at Madison Square Garden.
Can you imagine Trump selling out the garden?
2024 energy.
So that's the way he talks when he's asked about which states he's going to win.
From a political analysis standpoint, what did you think of Governor DeSantis' answer when he was asked which states he could win?
Well, this is something that I was asking his surrogates and supporters on Twitter spaces months ago.
I asked him, what is the path?
What is the path for him to win the primary?
Because, you know, months ago, it seemed that he was still going to lose Iowa and nothing has changed.
They've moved the goalposts repeatedly.
We all know that's become a meme at this point, but they never were able to say what his path was.
because he certainly was never in play for New Hampshire, was never a state he was gonna do well in.
And the field was always crowded with South Carolina politicos, so he was never gonna do well by South Carolina.
And then obviously when you get to Florida, he was always polling behind President Trump as well.
So he really set the stage in a horrible way.
He did put all his eggs in one basket in Iowa.
He ran to the right there, thinking it would benefit him.
He bought up all the endorsements.
People are now equating it with bribes to local elected officials and, you know, influencers and other thought leaders, however you want to describe.
these people, at least in a positive light.
And it hasn't moved the needle at all.
I think ultimately his campaign was driven by consultant greed and grift, and it completely bankrupted him.
And ultimately, the man himself just wasn't ready for prime time.
He really wasn't all that he was cracked up to be.
And President Trump said it beautifully when he originally said that he has a great press team, however many months ago, a year ago, that really presented him in a way that made him look like a much stronger contender than he really was.
But we've now found out that he was a paper tiger.
He was a paper tiger electorally.
He's going to get absolutely destroyed in Iowa in 10 days.
He's going to be probably even more destroyed when it comes to New Hampshire.
I think we're looking at maybe a fifth place finish.
Who knows?
And I think his entire operation is going to go down in flames.
And he has no one to blame but himself, his own hubris, his lust for donor money and the consultants he hired.
And honestly, even the surrogates he decided to promote online.
They have run a horrible campaign that will go down in the history books as how not to run a presidential campaign.
All the while, President Trump has largely run a lean, mean operation.
It wasn't bloated.
It wasn't bureaucratic.
It was effective and moved quick.
And it really was very responsive to the needs of the voters and to the base.
And because of that, I think President Trump is going to be rewarded bigly in Iowa, in New Hampshire.
And then this thing should be wrapped up very shortly.
And we could start focusing on the real goal, which is the White House. - Do you think, now what I'm hearing from the DeSantis camp is that they want to make it to the Florida primary.
That's going to be mid-March after Super Tuesday.
So you've got to go through all of the primaries you just mentioned, including South Carolina, including all of Super Tuesday, and then still have money in the tank to make it to Florida, which isn't going to be until March 19th.
What do you think?
Well, he has no momentum.
I mean, how is he going to keep this operation afloat?
How is he going to bring the money in?
How is he going to keep paying his staff, his bloated infrastructure?
He's not going to have any W's under his belt.
And he's not getting any.
And Trump keeps collecting W's both in the primary and in the courtroom.
So all these things that you mentioned earlier, how they were all contingent on Trump suffering some massive legal setback has not materialized.
It's only made him stronger.
And then also, if you just look at it in terms of like a person who was only interested in winning the general, the best candidate we have right now is President Trump by a long mile.
And you brought up what President Trump is thinking.
President Trump is a visionary.
He's talking about breaking another blue wall.
He broke the original blue wall in 2016, where he won these states that Republicans have only dreamed of winning for many decades.
Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
And he was able to win in 2016 in a big way on the electoral map.
Well, he's never polled this well before.
He's polling better than he ever has in 16 and 20.
I saw polls come out recently with younger voters, with Hispanic voters.
He's growing his margins across the board and it is bringing into play potential states, potential states like Virginia, even New Mexico with the Hispanic vote.
He's talking about things like New York.
And even if he doesn't win these states, let's have the Dems play defense for a change.
Let's challenge them on their home court.
So to speak, have them spend money in New York, have them spend money in New Jersey, in Connecticut, wherever it is, and expand the electoral map.
We constantly play defense.
President Trump is going into the lion's den.
He's doing it in a way that could be very effective.
You could do a rally in upstate New York and then you're just, you know, hop over the border from PA or hop over the border from New Hampshire.
You can do rallies in blue states that logistically are feasible, that wouldn't require a lot of infrastructure, and you really move the needle.
So I love that he's talking this way.
He's talking like Republicans have never talked.
What is this?
So they're telling me they have another SOT that we didn't... SOT 4?
Guys, what is this SOT that you were trying to play?
We had three for today.
What is SOT 4?
Jack, what is up, brother?
Scott Staff from Creed here.
A friend of yours reached out to me to share with me that you and Tanya are going to be coming to a show in 2024.
I can't wait to see you.
And they wanted me to say, this particular friend, that you should thank him.
The world famous photo editor, Big Hurt Rocks.
Make sure you thank him.
Give him a big hug.
He cares about you.
And he wants you to step into the new year by taking it higher.
And he wanted me to give you a little line.
Can you take me higher?
There you go.
Higher in 2024.
See you on tour, my friend.
Peace and rock on.
Higher in 2024.
What just happened?
What just happened?
Well, big, you guys.
So Baker rocks.
He's a great guy.
He's one of the memesters out there.
Him and a couple of other of the memesters put together.
Gavin, what could I say?
Do we have the best memesters out there?
You, you, I think you just brought Creed back to the national spotlight with some of your I love it.
