Dec. 20, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Human Events Special Edition.
We are here sitting down with the one, the only, Tucker Carlson.
Tucker Carlson, welcome to Human Events.
Thank you, Jack.
It is an honor to be here.
We've been gossiping so much off-camera that I'm not normally... You and me?
No, no, we don't know any gossip.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, I can't stop talking.
We'll talk about where the bodies are buried.
That's in the subscriber-only section, so make sure you subscribe to the paid section, which we don't have, but if you can find the paid section, which of course doesn't exist, that's what we'll talk about.
Perfect.
No, I don't know if you knew this, but I'll throw it out there, that this is the original Human Events.
We purchased it.
We actually brought back, remember the old magazine?
Very well.
Reagan's favorite magazine.
Reagan's favorite magazine.
We went and it's been through a couple of iterations, but it had been one of those institutions sort of in D.C.
that had never quite made the jump to digital.
And we saw it out there and no one was using it really.
And a group of people got together, originally it was Raheem Kassam and a few others, came in, brought it back, We're resurrecting it, we're bringing it back to the digital age.
Can you do the same to National Review?
Is that possible?
No, no, that goes straight in the grave.
Straight in the grave.
No, there will be no resurrection there.
No, but it's been amazing and I just wanted to ask, did you ever read Human Events back in the day?
Of course I did!
Yeah, I mean, I got to Washington As a high school student in 1985, when my dad went to work for the federal government, we moved from California to Georgetown and, you know, it was pretty electric in a way.
Intellectually, the city, there was just a lot going on.
It was still pretty civil.
We were surrounded by Democrats.
We had a Democratic senator next door, totally nice.
You know, he's busy wrecking America, but he was very friendly.
It was just less partisan.
And there were magazines were big.
Like, that's where the conversation was taking place.
You know, the American spectator, I would say primarily, but also commentary, human events, you know, just a whole bunch of New Republic even.
And so people read magazines and talked about the articles, you know, I know it sounds so incredibly old in saying that, but it's completely true.
And people would discuss magazine pieces.
And if you had a big time magazine, I was I was a magazine writer, so I knew it.
If you had a big-time magazine piece, you know, people talk about it at dinner.
And Human Events was in that rotation, for sure.
They used to say, so, yeah, everyone, it's kind of like the moniker, Reagan's Favorite Paper, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Everybody knows that.
And the story goes that, so, the Bushies, right, in the Reagan White House, used to try to prevent Reagan from reading a copy of Human Events.
Of course, of course.
So, his guys would go and, like, smuggle it in, kind of under the arm.
I know.
And then bring it in there, and he would read it and say, wow.
We just didn't get it at the time, and I, I mean, I'll just admit it out loud, I'll just say it.
You know, my family had a lot culturally in common with the Bushes, weren't like intimate friends at all, you know, knew them, but they were, you know, we just had a lot in common with them culturally.
You had the same magazines.
Right, right!
No, but I mean, I just didn't... But we were, like, pretty legit conservative in my family, and they weren't at all.
And we just, I guess, didn't get it, or something.
You know?
And George H.W.
would show up, and he had just wonderful manners, and he wrote thank-you notes, and he wore grosgrain, you know, watch bands, and loved spaniels, and, like, looked just like my family.
So, I mean, I just identified with him in a way that was non-ideological, and I missed I mean, I can't believe I'm admitting this.
I feel embarrassed, but it's just true.
And I want to be honest, I missed the degree to which they were subverting true and important conservative impulses, not even ideological impulses, but just like, hey, let's not wreck our country.
And they were not at all interested in the country at all.
And the father had participated, clearly participated in some of the biggest coverups in American history that we should all be offended by, including the Kennedy assassination.
So how did I miss all that?
I don't know, for those reasons that I mentioned.
Right.
Not reading Human Events.
Right!
But Human Events didn't miss it.
At all.
Human Events doesn't miss anything.
And it's funny though, because I'll see some people, they'll go, oh, now that Posobiec is, you know, doing Human Events, that he's turned the publication into this conservative grassroots method.
Like, no, it's always literally been that exact thing.
Always.
Always.
And it was always counterculture in a nice way.
But the Bushes, man, they were, that was very insidious.
Oh, yeah.
They were the Obamas of the right, I would say.
It was a stealth operation.
And you didn't sort of feel it at the time.
It kind of came over you gradually.
And by the time you realized it was happening, like a lot of the things you loved were gone.
And all of a sudden, George W. Bush is admitting, you know, giving China most favored nation status and getting us involved in these wars that had no benefit to the United States and things like that.
That was like, they called it good and patriotic, and in fact it was the opposite of both of those things.
The most favorite Asian status thing is crazy to me because that, that comes right on the heels of Tiananmen Square.
Oh, I know.
Right?
So it's June 4th, 1989, and we, you know, I talked about, I lived in China for two years, so we talk about it all the time, speak Mandarin, you know, that was my focus in the Navy.
You speak Mandarin?
That's amazing.
Thank you, thank you.
So, so studied this a ton, studied the CCP, and we, you know, it's like, I see the way that the West responded to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
And it's like, You are the demons, you are evil, you know, we will crush you, we will sanction you, you know, everything Russian is bad, you know, the Moscow mule is now the Kiev mule, whatever, right?
That's Kiev, by the way.
Oh, excuse me, I'm sorry.
Freedom fighters pronounce it Kiev.
Do you have the lashing stick or do I have to go up?
It's also degraded.
But it's like, so you go back though, and you look at Tiananmen Square, and we did a whole series last year on this and we talk about it a lot, how it's like the response to Tiananmen Square, well why didn't we do that to the CCP?
The response to that is, hey, let's sign trade deals, and let's move all our manufacturing over, and let's screw over all the people, like the working class in America, And take away all your wealth and take away all your ability to generate wealth and care for your families and live on a single-payer household income.
And no, we're just going to build up China instead and they cut these secret deals.
And I 100% believe that when George H.W.
Bush, as you say, he sends Scowcroft over there, the National Security Advisor, they sign a secret deal in Beijing.
Well, like the blood is still on the cobblestones, right, of Tiananmen Square.
Which I've been to many times.
And it was basically that.
It was basically that.
That you will become the factory of the world, right?
We will run, so the Bushes and that kind of tier, you know, we'll provide the capital, we'll provide the IP, we'll provide all of this.
We'll do the banking for your fascism.
Yeah, the banking.
And when they say, what about the people in the middles?
What about them?
Well, they hated them, actually, because they were in the way.
And this is basically, you know, we talk about globalism, nationalism today.
I think that's kind of where the seeds of the globalist system began.
Yes, yes.
And I, because I'm 54, you know, I saw all of it from a pretty close vantage, and I missed the significance of virtually everything that was happening at the time.
I just didn't see it.
And I saw, you know, shadows of it, or outlines in some case, but I could not put it together.
I'll never forget, however, the reaction when Pat Buchanan ran in 92, and then he won the New Hampshire primary in 1996, and I was in an editorial meeting with Bill Kristol, who's a very sinister, very short man, who was running this magazine that I worked for at the time, and he was like... Which was not Human Events, for the record.
It was not.
It was called the Weekly Standard.
It's since out of business.
That's right.
There are a lot of good people who work there, a lot of smart people.
Bill Kristol was not among them.
He was never smart.
He was like the least smart person there, purely a nepotism hire because of his dad.
But he was panicked.
He was absolutely panicked about Pat Buchanan.
He dispatched me to write a series of pretty tough pieces on Pat Buchanan, which I dutifully did.
I realized later that I'd been completely used by this weird little midget, and I apologized to Pat Buchanan, and I meant it, and I will do it again today.
He accepted my apology and we became friends.
But the point is, official Washington was like...
Absolutely hysterical about Pat Buchanan.
And you're like, well, why?
Right.
Why?
What's so scary about Pat Buchanan?
And same with Ross Perot.
They're hysterical about Ross Perot.
Because they were saying true things.
That's why.
That's the only reason.
That's the only reason anyone ever gets mad in Washington is because you tell the truth.
But I was too young.
I just didn't understand it at all.
And people say, oh, well, Trumpism is this new thing.
I don't think it's new.
No, of course not.
It's not new.
Buchanan was tapping into it.
Perot was tapping into it.
It was nascent.
You had these people who were pushing against it, obviously.
And I think, personally, it's tapping into that, but plus the rise of independent media and independent voices that have actually given... They're such fools, though.
They're such fools.
Look, every system needs a correction at some point.
You just need an update, and we do personally, too.
Your assumptions do not hold over time.
Things change.
It's a dynamic world.
We don't acknowledge that.
Human nature actually doesn't acknowledge that.
We imagine everything's just the same as it was.
It never is.
So you need to update the system and democracy is supposedly self-correcting.
If you prevent those corrections from happening, the only thing you do is stoke radicalism.
The thing about Perot who I covered, Pat Buchanan who I covered and knew well, he's still alive, and Trump of course who I know, is that they're all moderates.
They're all basically very moderate.
They didn't want to blow anything up.
Destruction was not on their calendar at all.
They just wanted to apply common sense principles to governance.
And they were all treated like Nazis and thwarted, all three of them.
And so what's gonna happen?
Like the next guy who builds a national following in Trump's footsteps will not be moderate at all.
He's gonna be angry and he's gonna be revolutionary.
And I can't foresee what will happen after that, but I just know how systems work.
And they're ensuring that we're gonna get like an actual demagogue.
And after years of telling us that Trump, who's like totally conventional guy, which is some interesting views, but doesn't want to hurt anyone.
He's totally nonviolent.
His main fear is nuclear war.
I mean, the guy is not what they say is he's the opposite, but the next guy will be what they say Trump is actually because people are too frustrated.
And then we're going to get radical politics.
People are going to get hurt.
Then it gets more radical.
Like this has happened in every country on the planet except ours for 150 years and people lack imagination.
They don't think it could happen here.
It's happening here.
Well, and you'll get, and at the same time, you'll get the response to that guy.
Of course.
Right.
And the response to that guy will, and I've said this so many times, will be like, like a, imagine like a young millennial Chavez.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Who comes up and it's like, they wanted this to be AOC, but she didn't really have it, you know?
She didn't have it.
She's a servant of the banks.
But imagine like an actual charismatic millennial, and because everyone's in debt now, right?
Everyone's in debt.
And so you can't own anything.
I'm talking millennials.
Oh, I know.
Everyone passed.
So you can't own anything.
You're all in debt.
You've been screwed by college.
Oh, I agree.
Screwed by everything.
I agree.
And now along comes somebody.
This is how it always goes, right?
Every single case in the history.
And that person will go after the finance infrastructure, the banks.
Oh, yeah.
The people who lend money at incredibly high rates right now.
I think the average credit card rate is 19% or 20%.
We have higher credit card debt right now in this country than we've ever had in our history.
And, of course, you can't discharge it in bankruptcy thanks to, let me just guess, oh, Joe Biden, the senator from Delaware.
And that's not a campaign issue.
It's all about trainee this or trainee that or white people are bad or whatever.
But underneath all of those distractions is the fact that people are getting much poorer.
And the one thing you're really not allowed to say for real after the foreign policy stuff, which is obviously verboten, but domestically, the one thing you can't say is the banks are kind of, why are the banks our friends?
They're not.
And they're getting, you know, the finance world is getting taxed at half the rate as the people who work, like you and me.
I get paid a lot, so I guess it's fine, but it's still offensive that they pay half the rate.
Why should they pay half the rate?
Are they twice as virtuous as I am or anyone else with a job?
They're not, actually.
They're a little less virtuous.
But Bernie Sanders, look what happened to Bernie Sanders.
You know, Bernie Sanders is just a complete Democratic Party robot and just a husk of a man, and I think blackmailing him with using his wife is my guess.
I don't have evidence.
Well, they give him another mansion every time he drops out.
Exactly!
Exactly!
But they stole the election from him!
In 2016, absolutely.
They got caught doing it.
Yeah, by Julian Assange.
I'm aware.
Who got those documents from within the DNC.
Sorry, that wasn't Russia.
You liars.
It was not Russia.
It was someone from within the building.
I'll leave it there.
And what was that about?
It was about Bernie Sanders criticizing billionaires, the oligarchs, the banks.
Right.
And the next guy... Because they saw it was coming.
Oh, 100%.
But if you ever had a candidate who was articulate Maybe Hispanics wouldn't have to deal with the race stuff.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
That's why I say Chavez.
A hundred percent.
And who was legitimately mad at Wall Street.
That's the issue.
And by the way, they absolutely deserve it.
We don't deserve what that system will do to us because it will wreck the country, I think.
But if you open up that, and we were just talking before we came on, if you open up that level of resentment, that's how you get French Revolution.
That's how you get Bolshevism.
And they're desperately like, oh no, it's the Whites' fault, hate the Whites!
It's like some guy making 50 grand a year in Iowa, he's the problem.
And you know, it's clearly very effective and a lot of people do hate the Whites because they believe the propaganda, but underneath it all, I think they hate the banks more.
And the hate the Whites stuff is, I don't think it can last forever.
Someone's gonna be like, all right, You hate the whites, great.
Whites are bad.
But the banks are really bad.
Another reason you don't have a house or a car... Well this is why, to your point though, this is why you see like Citibank and Bank of America and they're all funding what?
Black Lives Matter.
Of course!
Right?
Because it's not us.
And that all exploded after Occupy Wall Street.
Yes.
Okay, so it was 2011-2012 when people started to get serious and Whatever, I have a million views about Occupy Wall Street, but the theme is right.
99%, 1%.
Yeah, and the main crimes are economic crimes.
Right.
And those are the ones we never talk about.
Nope.
And occasionally they'll get, like someone is so ludicrous, like Sam Bankman for inventing a fake cryptocurrency and defrauding a million people, like you have to kind of do something about it.
Yeah.
But that happens every day.
And people just can't afford to live in this country anymore.
At the same moment, we're importing tens of millions of people.
And so you're like, you know, what is this?
And obviously, You know, it's the darkest possible scenario, but I think it's over the economic questions that there's going to be a real change.
Well, you mentioned the importing, so we're here in Phoenix, we're taping this.
Have you seen the robot taxis around town?
No.
Robot taxis.
Yeah, I'm against that.
So, so it's, they're all over, as you, when you leave the studio.
There's nobody in them?
Well, there's passengers.
But there's no one at the wheel.
They're white, they have this, like, spaceship thing swirling around on top, sensors all around, and they're all over the city of Phoenix.
And they're robot taxis.
Imagine if we applied that technology to, like, closing the border or stopping the drug epidemic that's killing 100,000 people a year.
Yeah, why can't we have robots down there?
Or maybe solving homelessness.
Give them a ride, take them somewhere, help them out.
No.
So these are robot taxis that you can get in.
I want to do a video on one of them.
You should do a video on one of them.
Actually, no wait, don't.
Don't steal my idea.
No, I'm not going to.
I don't want to get in a robot taxi.
Yeah, exactly.
So, I call them bug bots.
Yeah.
I call them bug bots.
Yeah.
So, but go with me on this.
The robots take over for Uber, right?
The robots take over for truckers, which they're already pushing.
They want this next.
But at the same time, so they take over basically the low-income jobs.
Not that actually taxis, Ubers do very well, that being said.
What happens to all the low skill migrants that we've just imported when all those jobs are run by robots?
You know, that's, I said, I actually said, you know, over and I'll talk about the great replacement, but what about, I think the real great replacement is the robots, right?
Because now they're here, now they have all those jobs, but we still have the migrants.
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Yeah, I mean, I think that we're in for a period of true domestic chaos.
Yeah, this is not good.
No, because, yeah, whatever.
I don't want to get luxury about it, but, you know, we had a massive economic crisis in October of 1929 that lasted for more than 10 years.
And the country, you know, went through volatility, but it hung together because the population had a lot in common with one another.
And so you could have, you know, the biggest domestic mobilization in history, the Civilian Conservation Corps, led by General Douglas MacArthur, by the way, everyone forgets that, and the country did fine, and was able to participate in World War II effectively, etc., etc.
They didn't win World War II, but they fought valiantly, and like, the country held together, and then we had a boom period for 20 years.
That would not be the story if we had another Depression, because you've had tens of millions of people come here, Not because they love America or believe in our founding documents, they don't know what they are, and they have all been told to hate white people.
No, they came here because they want to make more money.
Well, if that promise dries up and they're here, what does that look like?
You have true social disunity, and you have actual poverty, and you have a government that can't kind of print its way out of it because your debt service is bigger than your defense We're not supposed to notice these things.
And by the way, I'm not a super high IQ person.
I'm hardly a genius.
I'm just sort of like an observer.
And this is obvious to me.
So where are the central planners on this?
This has never occurred to them.
Like we're not supposed to notice these things.
No, but like what – let's say markets collapse tomorrow, which is entirely possible.
Of course.
It doesn't happen.
But if it does and all of a sudden the government's like we can't make good on all these payments that we promised, including to the tens of millions of migrants, all of whom are on welfare, every single one of them.
And then what happens?
I'm serious, what happens?
Do you think, do you think... And they have no credibility, no one believes them.
Do you think under those conditions, and we just saw there's a new movie coming out, and it's all about civil war?
Yeah, you know, of course I think civil war is by far the worst possible outcome.
You know, there's not a country that hasn't, you know, that's gone through a civil war that's not.
I mean, I was just in Spain.
Actually, you know, this country, we just took down the The Civil War Unity Memorial today at Arlington.
Actually, from what I hear, there was a restraining order that came in at the very last second.
Why weren't there men with baseball bats stomping it?
I mean, that's what- We did that in Philly, to the Columbus statue.
Good, good.
In South Philly, to hold the Columbus statue up.
So that works.
That works.
Like, I'm sorry, you can't destroy everything in my country.
I mean, I had a lot of family members who fought in the Civil War.
You know, that's the Reconciliation Memorial.
Well, of course!
Right!
Well, they want a Civil War.
I guess what I'm saying is they want I keep saying they, who's they?
Let's have unity.
No, destroy it.
Well, they want, obviously, conflict.
Of course, as a pretext for taking more power.
There's so many dark things going on simultaneously.
It's hard, I don't want to like, it's Christmas.
I would say, at some point, people have to just say no on a micro level.
There's nothing you can do about a lot of these big trends.
The strength of the U.S.
dollar, for example, on which so much hangs.
It has strength?
Well, it's declining fast.
Buy gold and ammo.
But you can do things like if they're trying to take a statue down in your town, how about no?
I've got a lot of children and how about no has been the most effective parenting tool I've ever used?
Just no.
How's that?
You know, they say that it's the most masculine word, or actually the essence of masculinity.
Really?
The word no.
I've never heard that.
The word no.
Because it's, it's just, it's just, this will not stop.
By the way, people get it.
The enforcement of boundaries, the enforcement of standards, the enforcement of, you know, because it's, it's feminine coded to say, let's make everyone feel better.
We want to be the glue.
We want everyone to be, everything to be copacetic, right?
That's, that's, that's, that's the moms, right?
That's what mom's always doing when all the guys are fighting, you know, but for the men, it's just, no.
Well, we do have government by single mom, and that's why it's become such an incredibly heartless and cruel society without justice or mercy.
Kind of amazing.
It's sort of the opposite of what you would expect, but that's what we have.
I have never thought of no as a masculine word.
In that case, I'm very hairy-chested, because I'm all about it.
And what's so striking about saying, no, if you're reasonable, I mean, by the way... And so, like, they sell masculinity, right?
It's, you know, they're like, oh, you know, masculinity is, you know, eating bacon and drinking beer and watching the game, right?
That's like the, you know, what we're supposed to say.
But it's also, you have to say yes.
But you have to say yes to the vaccine, you have to say yes to BLM, you have to say yes to whatever the program is.
Couldn't agree more.
I don't watch the game and I don't drink beer.
And I don't go to the gym for that matter.
But I do think that the patriarchy is the only effective system because it's consistent with human nature and overthrowing it doesn't liberate you, it enslaves you and the evidence of that is all around us, obviously.
And I think But I should just put one caveat, and I don't think no for its own sake is a good idea either.
I mean, arbitrary authority is the worst thing there is, and that's a much more feminine style of leadership, by the way.
Right, it's not an arbitrary no.
No, no, it's not arbitrary, but if you explain it like, you know, we don't smoke marijuana at the dinner table.
We just don't do that in our family because it's not good.
And I find that when you say no in a reasonable way and you explain why you're saying no, 99% of the time people are like, yeah I get that, I get that.
No one holds a grudge, your kids aren't mad at you, no.
No because.
I think, is what we have now, where if you don't say no, there's literally no end to what you will get.
You get what you put up with, and if you don't put a stop to it, they will kill you.
And we're moving very quickly toward that.
In fact, we're already there.
Our life expectancy in this country is in decline, and it has been for years.
So if you don't think that's an emergency, and if our leaders don't even bother to notice it, what does that tell you?
Well, they have homicidal intent, obviously.
Obviously!
If life expectancy and your family went way down, you'd be like, I've got to fix this.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You'd come around and say, as the dad, as the dad, you're coming in and you're saying, all right, something is off.
Something is wrong.
Is it a health thing?
Is it a money thing?
People are dying.
My people are dying.
These are people.
But they don't think of The American population is their people at all.
They think of them as foreigners to be subjugated.
Oh, you're a Serf, you're a Kulak.
100%.
They don't have any... The people who lead the country have nothing in common with the people who live in the country.
No, I always say, because you mentioned Maine, and we've both spent time in Maine, and I always say Maine is like a great example of this, because you can go to the coast, and like you're in Kennebunkport or Gunkwit, and it's gorgeous, beautiful, and then you can drive down the road like 10 minutes, and you're in like Sanford.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it, which was like, it was the textile capital of the world.
Yes.
Right.
And the shipbuilding was up there and all of it.
And it's all gutted now.
Yeah.
And it's all gutted.
So the people who used to own those factories, they're still in granola main.
Of course.
And then there's like NASCAR main in the middle.
Yes.
And everything was taken from them.
Well, yeah.
I mean, I've certainly seen that a lot.
They'll have the trans flags up, and when you go to Algonquin, when you go to Canyon Bunker, they'll have the trans flags up, they'll have the pride flags up, they'll have the... Really?
All of it.
All of it.
Replace the American flags.
And so we care so much, we care so much, we care so much.
Do you care about the people down the road?
Yeah you know it's funny I've done what so many people who disagree with what's going on now have done which is like completely opt out and I live you know hours from the world that you're describing and I'm thinking to myself when was the last time I was in Kennebunkport I mean I must have been it must have been 30 years ago anyway like I wouldn't consider going there or Portland Maine where I used to live I would never go there ever I like use their airport and leave and that's probably the wrong Posture.
I mean, running away was my first impulse when things started.
I mean, I went to a family house that I'd gone to my whole life and live in my childhood bedroom now.
And that's great.
I love it.
I couldn't be happier.
Because we're just so far from anybody.
But is that really the courageous move?
It's not, actually.
The courageous move is to stay in midtown Manhattan with your middle fingers extended and say, you know, my family fought in the War of 1812.
Like, you're not going to take my country away.
Sorry.
I mean, that's personally how I feel.
Like, what?
It's not your country.
What are you doing?
Especially if you just got here and you're lecturing me about my white privilege.
Really?
Where are you even from?
You weren't even born here.
Shut up.
And that, you know, we just go along with this stuff, which is why it keeps happening.
And I'm just waiting for the moment that people in a calm, dignified, nonviolent way say, I'm not, we're not doing this.
Yeah, I love it.
No, I think going into 2024, that's... We're not doing that.
That's the theme.
No.
It's just, it's no.
And by the way, people are so afraid to get, like, arrested.
And I will say, I do think this about Trump sometimes.
It's like, if you really think the process That he's undergoing is fake.
It's not justice.
It's not the justice system.
It's a political persecution.
And I believe on the basis of the evidence, I'm not flacking for Trump in the slightest.
Well, because you're not on the ticket yet.
Right.
I'm not on the ticket yet.
No, no, no.
It has nothing to do with that.
No, I'm really, I mean, I live so far away for a reason, which is I really try to see things objectively if I can.
You know, it's hard, but.
You'd be cool with Nikki Haley on there, right?
Nikki Haley running with Trump?
Oh, that was a joke.
You know, that's so grotesque that I've got to think people who support Trump currently would come out against Trump vehemently.
You know what someone said to me recently?
Do you think that's real?
I think there's a push for it.
I think the push for it is real.
From whom?
From her people.
You know what someone said to me though?
Very, very recently, we said on the show, they said, it was Richard Barris, he does People's Pundit, and he said, full credit, he said, they will install her, they will try to install her as VP, so they can take out Trump.
Of course!
I was about to say there's no one more sinister than Nikki Haley, but that's giving her credit for existing, which I don't think she actually does.
But you see the play.
Of course I do, but I think Nikki Haley is a hologram.
I mean, Nikki Haley is just a physical representation of the lust for power of the oligarch class.
It's just like, if Ken Griffin, you know, had a sock puppet, it would be Nikki Haley.
I mean, why is Nikki Haley even in the race?
Her views bear no resemblance to the views of Republican primary voters.
None.
She's totally for the BLM riots.
She's totally for the Trani insanity.
And she's for declaring war on half the world.
You know, in a way that would not help the United States one bit.
It would hurt us.
Of course.
It's all, it's all so crazy that you're like, why is she in the race?
And she's in the race because all these rich people are giving her money and no one will say that.
And so I, you know, I honestly think if you said to Nikki Haley, you know, she's whatever, I got her positions now, but if you said Nikki, look, I have a lot of money, like for real.
I've got a hundred billion dollars and I'll give you a third of it to come out and attack Israel.
There's no question that she would.
She would just turn around?
100%!
You know, I've really thought about it and I think that Benjamin Netanyahu is the greatest threat to world peace and I think, honestly, we should take their nuclear weapons away.
Maybe we invade Israel because they're a threat to national security.
I think she'd be saying stuff like that if you paid her enough.
I can't prove it, but I know Nikki Haley fairly well.
I guess the Iranians, right?
The Iranians- Qataris, whoever.
They come up to her and they say, alright, on the sly, we're gonna feed you- 100%!
Oh, look!
I mean, there's no one more for sale than Nikki Haley, obviously.
She literally got rich!
I've seen her mansion, it's beautiful!
of a defense contractor.
I've seen her mansion.
It's beautiful.
The whole thing is, it's almost like, Nikki Haley to me reminds me of Biden's senility.
It's happening right in front of us.
It's just so obvious no one's even trying to hide it.
Just the grotesque nature of Nikki Haley, the quote person, but her campaign and the whole phenomenon and no one says anything about it.
Like I think news anchors should be required to say Joe Biden, comma, who was senile, comma, spoke today in the Rose Garden.
Like just, we should never mention Joe Biden without reminding everyone that he's mentally deficient.
Because the fact that we have a senile president is so outrageous, it's such an offense against all 350 million of us, that we should never allow it to be forgotten even for a moment.
And I feel the same way about Nikki Haley.
Nikki Haley, comma, who is a tool of the worst people in the world who happen to have a billion dollars, comma, Because that's what she is.
But it would be very funny if I had more time.
I would set up an elaborate prank where, you know, I could meet with her posing as some Iranian official and say, look, I know you've been kind of tough on my country, but we have massive oil reserves and we'll cut you in on them if you'll just come out and endorse us.
And I think she would think about it, I really do.
I think she'd call her accountant and be like, how can we do this?
We gotta get those, um, or those guys, those two, like, Russian prank call people.
Yeah, yeah, totally!
Those guys, it's like, I forget their names, but, but, uh, you know, get them to be like, oh, we are the Iranians, we're calling you!
That would be so great!
Alright, well, I'll call up my Russian handler, or you could call yours.
Exactly!
We'll set it all up.
We'll set it all up.
Well, you just called Putin.
So good, yeah.
My close friend.
Yeah, you're a good buddy, Putin.
But tell me, we still have a couple minutes left, but tell me about the network.
Tell me about the network and what's going on.
Well, it's at TuckerCarlson.com.
Basically, we are trying to build an alternative to the existing news offerings, which are so corrupt.
At this point, I'm not going to make the case for their corruption, but they lied too much.
They devalued their credibility.
And we're not going to lie, period, under any circumstances.
Now, are you doing advertisers, paywall, subscribers?
What's the plan?
Well, so we've thought a lot about this.
I mean, you're in the business, so you know, and I don't want to bore anybody, but having spent my whole life working for big media companies, the advertiser boycott is a really powerful tool that the left uses, and they can kind of shut you down.
They took all my advertising at my last employer, But, you know, ultimately they'll take you off the air if their advertisers don't like you.
So you think, so that's cable.
That's cable, but it's also the internet.
It's also the internet.
I mean, why did, for sure, but certainly the big service providers, it's the big platforms.
Why will YouTube not accept any criticism of Pfizer?
You know, I mean, this is a whole separate conversation, but the point is, You cannot be dependent on advertisers, as great as they may seem, if you're going to be independent and tell the truth.
And you can be taken out.
And I've been taken out, you know, a number of times.
So, I'm not mad about it at all.
I'm so glad, so grateful.
But I don't want that to happen again, and I don't want it to happen in the middle of an election year.
So we're subscription driven.
It's that simple.
And we've got, you know, 20 employees.
We're going to hire a bunch more and do the news that's not being covered anywhere else, which is voluminous.
I mean, there's so much going on, as you know, since you do a daily show, but it's just, it's crazy.
Well, then like you wake up and you're, and you, you have, you have this plan, right?
Oh, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to work on that story.
And then you wake up and it's like, boom, It's a whole new world.
Right, and then some crazy thing blows up and my producer Faz is sitting over here and I'm like, blow up the show.
Blow up the show.
Cancel everything.
Of course.
Right?
Because we have to talk about this.
All the time.
But most of it is ignored, as you know, by the By the platforms with big audiences and that's a shame.
And so we've been greatly helped by Elon's decision to buy X and keep it free.
And so that's really it's been seven or eight months.
I'm not good at math since I got canned.
And we're still around because of that platform, which I am grateful for.
I think that his purchase of X has been because if you notice in like the last year, people are just just talking more freely.
Oh yes.
And and sharing more ideas.
Yes.
And tweeting more.
Yes.
It all goes back to that.
I totally agree.
Because it's had a ripple effect.
And you give people a taste of freedom and it's hard to take it away again.
And it's like, oh we can say retard again.
100%.
Is that okay?
Now I never stopped because I think it's such a great word.
No, I know you never did.
By the way, my whole life, and I've even written about it at length, I've been very offended by The murder of kids with Down syndrome because they have Down syndrome.
I mean, I'm Catholic, that's huge.
Yeah, so I'm Protestant, but it's obvious even to me that that's an atrocity.
And by the way, the, you know, Down syndrome groups are agnostic on the question, are you joking?
Right.
So, but the same people who are totally all for committing genocide against people with Downs.
Right, kill them, but don't offend them.
Yes, but don't offend them, don't hurt anyone.
Don't hurt anyone's feelings, just slaughter them.
It's like crazy.
You know, this is also, I go back to like, Yeah, you ever you ever see Jeffrey Dahmer's interview that he gives after he's after he's I guess he confesses right he confessed And and he gives this interview like from prison and and he's talking about all the people that he's murdered and you know, you know eaten and And then after but he and he makes it makes it very clear He said I just want to make sure everyone knows that I didn't do it because they were black because I'm not a filthy racist
Did he really say that?
I'm paraphrasing, right?
But he's like, he's like very sure that after, even though he's admitting like, yeah, you know, I ate a lot of black people, but I am not a racist.
I am not a racist.
So it's like, it's like even back then.
This is worse, somehow, than murder, cannibalism, necrophilia.
That's amazing.
He wanted to make sure, though.
Well, that's, of course, the moral structure that's been imposed on us, and so many of us have internalized it and sort of believe it.
You know, that saying a certain word is worse than committing an act of violence.
No, it's not.
Precisely.
And so I think, like, Elon getting X and has just sort of changed this whole setup to where we can speak, just speak, and not even speak truth, but just speak.
Speak our opinions, speak our mind, and we don't have to have that little censor of, oh my gosh, what if I say this, and Media Matters will do this, and this guy will do that, and SPLC will come after us, and oh my goodness, they stalked my wife on a train.
Me and my wife on a train.
SPLC stalked us on a train a year ago.
They're crazy people.
Just crazy, deranged.
You know, you just wonder how long that can... I mean, just the bullying of the left, the physical intimidation of the left, and the passive nature of the right.
I will say this about X. I had never really been on social media very much.
Are you using it yourself?
You're on the phone?
I don't have my own password.
Emily, who's sitting right there, is the keeper of the password because I don't have self-control.
Like, I don't...
I don't allow, I'm serious, I don't allow Fig Newtons, Marlboro Reds, or a Twitter password in my presence.
I always say, I always say, there's worse things that I could be addicted to, alright?
You know what I'm saying, man?
Like, I don't drink, I don't smoke, but Yeah I might be on there a little bit.
So here's the problem.
You're a dominant figure there and here's the problem with it.
Is that it's not dumb or crazy people.
It would be a lot easier for me to take if it was just like stupid people ranting about stuff or crazy people with their insane theories about the world that are obviously not true.
The problem with X is there are some very high IQ people on there.
Like for real.
Like I read some stuff on there every single day and I think, well that person's a lot smarter and more insightful than I am.
I think that all the time.
I thought today.
And it has the effect of making me pretty radical.
I'm just being honest.
Pretty radical.
Because there are people on there who can, I mean you can see why the left is afraid of it.
Of free speech.
As soon as people start talking- Because the only mainstream platform where you can do that.
In the world.
Right.
On planet Earth.
Yes.
It's the only big platform that allows free speech.
The only one.
And I feel like they've gotta shut it down.
Because if they don't, they can't maintain control of people.
That's why it's the First Amendment.
We're discovering that.
I asked Elon, so I was in this Twitter space with him, and Alex Jones, and Tate is there, and it's this whole thing.
It was the day that Alex came back.
Yeah.
And I get a chance to ask Elon this, because I say, hey man, this is great, right?
What you're doing is amazing.
I love it.
However, comma, we're going into an election and they're going to come to you.
They will come to you one day.
Big time.
Because they did it last time, right?
They will come to you and they will say, you got to take this down.
This is Russian.
This is whatever, you know, we'll come up with something.
This is evil, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You got to take this down.
And he said, well, you know, I want to comply with law.
Maybe I'll take it to court.
I want to be transparent.
Okay.
I could kinda sense that there was more to it.
I wanted to get his personal, you know what I mean?
Don't give me your business answer.
I want, like, the answer, right?
And as an interviewer, you need to get that.
So I said, but what if, you know, okay, so what if that fails?
Right, what if that fails?
You go to law enforcement, but law enforcement is run by them, so, you know, what are you gonna do?
He said, I would be personally prepared to go to prison.
If they tried to make me take down legal content, I would do it.
So that's what you just said.
I can't even describe how grateful I am for that.
I could not admire it more.
I think that's the bravery that will change the world.
I think he's a world historic figure.
I really believe that.
I'm not sucking up.
For the record, I've never taken a dime from Elon Musk and I never will.
I'm not his employee.
I'm just a user like everybody else.
But I feel it so acutely because I have been silenced in other forums.
That without that, I know, first-hand, there would be no place to say what you think is true.
You would be a slave, because that's what that is.
If you can't say what you think, you are a slave.
Just to be clear, you're not a citizen, you're not a man, you're a slave.
This is what we always said, because back in the day, when... and I knew Doug Mackey in 2016, and we would... You did?
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Well, I knew Ricky.
Right, I didn't know Doug, I knew Ricky.
That poor guy.
You know, and I've had him on, and we're helping him out as much as we can, but it's like...
We just posted memes, man.
We were just posting memes and, you know, the fact that they would turn it into what they turn it into now is insane.
So Trump wins, we turn the censorship on, and we get Elon, which is great.
So what do they come back with next?
It's all law, right?
It's hard power.
Can I just say about Doug Mackey, who I know, and we've interviewed, and I know his legal team because they're friends, because he couldn't get real lawyers, you know, get people who are ideologically driven, I know you know them too.
I just saw today, actually, on X, some of the media coverage of Trump referring to Doug Mackey, okay?
And the media coverage was, Trump defends racist, anti-Semite, whatever.
Now, for the record, I don't think Doug Mackey is a racist or anti-Semite.
But even if he was, he's an American citizen and he has a right to say what he thinks, even if you don't like it, okay?
So they're succeeding, actually, because the right hasn't bothered to defend free speech very well.
They've succeeded in reframing the conversation around free speech in a way that makes a lot of speech they don't like Out of bounds.
It's hate speech.
It's bigoted speech.
This is what we always said back in those days.
Oh, I know.
As we saw the censorship being turned on, I said, look, I don't want any special favors on here.
I just want to be treated like everybody else.
Yes.
Right?
Let me go out there and hang my stuff up, put my thoughts out, put your videos out.
And it does well.
It fails.
It sucks.
It doesn't get any traction.
Whatever.
That's on us.
Right?
But is that so much to ask?
The fact that some political lobby or other doesn't like your opinions can't be grounds for silencing those opinions or else we live in a fascist state.
It's that simple.
Any group that has the power to do that has way too much power, not actually democracy.
100%.
We've got a couple of minutes left.
I know you've got to run, so I've got to ask.
I know you're doing the Tucker Carlson original still, right?
Yeah.
Do you think that you might do an episode, long form, on Las Vegas?
On Las Vegas.
Oh, on the shootings?
Oh yeah.
The largest mass shooting in American history.
Man, I could bore you for hours on this.
I mean, we went so deep into that.
I went out to Vegas twice.
And no one talks about it.
Talked to everybody.
Oh, I know.
We got hassled.
The gun lobby doesn't talk about it.
Well, there is no gun lobby in the United States.
There's the NRA, which is like a shill for... Well, the anti-gun lobby.
The anti-gun lobby.
Gun control lobby.
Oh, the gun control people!
Oh, you're right!
They don't bring it up.
No, you're right.
They don't bring it up.
They'll talk about Sandy Hook.
They'll talk about Parkman.
Oh, I know.
Every school shooting they'll talk about all day long.
They'll never talk about the largest mass shooting in history.
And I'm just gonna be totally blunt with you.
I mean, I expended so much mental energy, and as noted, I'm no genius, but I really did try my sincere best because it smelled wrong.
And I very often have no idea what the truth is but I can spot a lie at a hundred yards and that story was covered in lies.
You know what it is?
You know what it is too?
It's gun guys.
Right?
Guys who understand firearms.
Guys who go shooting or have had like a modicum of military training.
They look at those pictures and they listen to the sound.
I agree.
Guys who have been on the range, and I said this a day, I said that doesn't sound like a bump stock to me.
I agree.
That sounds like a belt-fed— I totally agree with you, and I am a gun guy, and a lot of that didn't make sense at all.
Because there's a distinction.
It's like a rat-tat-tat sound.
Right.
Like, I've heard it a million times.
You're not going to tell me I didn't hear that.
Yeah, so I don't know, and also— I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
No, no, you're not putting on the spot at all.
I'm fascinated by the story, but the official account of where his body was found, at what point it was found, there are about 15 data points in the story that are clearly untrue.
What is true, I don't know.
You know what hangs me up?
What?
Why does he stop shooting?
Well, I agree.
So, the SWAT team was still downstairs.
They didn't breach the door, they didn't come to the door, they weren't even on the right floor.
Yeah.
They're downstairs talking about what they're gonna do.
All of a sudden the shooting stops.
They don't go upstairs for almost 40 minutes.
So why'd he stop shooting?
Well, exactly.
I mean, I'm glad!
Like, I would, I'm certainly happy he stopped shooting, but as someone who's just trying to investigate something, There's no pressure being applied to you as to why you stopped shooting.
Plenty of ammo, plenty of guns.
So I will say this about X, and this is one of my biggest problems with it.
There's too much truth.
And if you discover, especially if you're my age and you kind of, my dad worked for the government and including the intelligencies, and you sort of believe in our system and we're fighting the Soviets and we're obviously on the right side, and we were on the right side.
Sounds nice.
Sounds nice.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it sounds like a nice country.
It sounds nice.
But to discover in a six-year period, really all at once, that all the institutions you believed in and all the popular history that you accepted as true is a lie, and that the people you thought were the good guys are actually the drivers of a lot of the world's evil and certainly most of the chaos in and that the people you thought were the good guys are actually the It's like a lot to take.
I'm just being honest, it's a lot to take.
And I try to be unflinching, and I have a total sincere dedication to telling the truth.
But man, the toll it takes to learn all this stuff.
You know, there's a famous tweet about this, like an old tweet.
It's, um, if the news are fake, imagine history.
Exactly.
Yeah, and I'm interested in history, very interested.
It's my primary intellectual interest.
And I know it is yours, too, because we just spent an hour talking about it off-camera.
Oscar Wilde once said, it is the duty of truth-tellers to rewrite history.
Yeah, and anytime they tell you that you're not allowed to question history, something's up.
Period.
Period.
I mean, that's true for anything.
So yeah, so I guess I don't really know what to say other than my heart is really heavy when I think about it.
I think there should be a universal demand to release all the 9-11 files.
No possible justification for hiding those.
Let's do it.
Let's do it now.
Release everything.
Certainly that, you know, 22 years later, why can't we know, like, why?
You know?
And it's not about the Saudis, it's... Whatever.
Makes me mad.
You know vice presidents have a lot of authority over declassification.
You know!
That's not something, like the weather, that's not something I can control.
Well, maybe one day.
I'm saying my prayers.
No, we all need to say our praise.
Ladies and gentlemen, Tucker Carlson, the one, the only, I hear you can follow him on X. Yes, you can!
X.com, TuckerCarlson.com, a pleasure.
Jack, thank you, that was great.
That was awesome.
I really enjoyed it.
That was awesome.
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