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Blake, how we doing?
We're doing lovely.
Fan favorite, Blake.
Tyler Boyer?
It's good to be here, Charlie.
D-backs won!
Yeah, Jack, where's your hat?
Hey, Jack, how'd the Phillies do?
Sorry, I don't watch sports very often.
No, Jack?
No, I'm here, guys.
I wasn't sure if the—waiting for the shot to come up because, um, uh, what can I say?
Man of my word.
Man of my word.
Oh, he found one.
Wow.
How did he get that overnight?
The only one that they had for sale out in the middle of the only one that they could overnight was first day, right?
But that they could overnight was, was this the classical?
Here we go.
Classic one.
There we go.
I'd like to thank Tyler Boyer as well as Jessica Barshes for letting me know of my newfound and heretofore lifelong adoration of... What's the name of the team again?
No, I know it's Arizona, but what's the...
Dingleback?
OK, the Dingleback.
The Bobcats.
All right.
And I just I just really support their endeavors so much.
It's the Bobbacks, right, Tyler?
Tyler, you got to explain it.
This is the greatest branding disaster in the history of sports.
So, it made sense in the 90s, like teal and purple made sense in the 90s.
Okay, Charlie?
So, the Diamondbacks, when they started, they played at Bank One Ballpark.
And so they called it Bob.
And so when they were like, we need a mascot, and they tried a snake.
But you can only do so much as a snake.
It was a costume issue.
Because it's Bob, we'll call him Baxter for Diamondbacks, the Bobcat, as Bob is his home.
But then Bank One got bought by Chase.
And so now it's Chase Field.
So now everyone's like super confused.
Like, why is your mascot a bobcat?
And the Suns have the gorilla.
So we have the Phoenix Suns gorilla, which makes no sense, which is a historical thing.
And we have a bobcat.
Wait, you have the gorilla for the Phoenix Suns?
Yeah.
The Suns gorilla.
Because we had no mascot.
A guy used to show up, just dressed as a gorilla, dancing all around us.
But Tyler, when did the purple thing stop existing?
When did they go to this awful red and black combo?
I think when they sold the team.
Was that in 2002?
When Jerry Colangelo sold the team to the Kendricks.
When was that?
It was like, it was actually like 2008, I think.
I don't like the rebrand.
I miss the old.
Well, now it's now it's Sedona Red and Turquoise is like just weird.
I like the old.
I like the 90s.
I like the old color scheme.
It does.
It is super 90s in the way all the teams that joined sports leagues from 95 to 2000 had these.
Utah Jazz had very similar-- - They had these purpley, metallic colors.
- Minnesota Timberwolves.
- The Tampa Bay Rays.
- Look at the Jaguars, the Panthers.
- Seattle Seahawks, the Sonics.
They had that kind of big lettery.
- Even the Rams, the then St. Louis Rams changed to that strange metallic gold color, and now they changed back to the color.
- The Charlotte Hornets.
The Charlotte Hornets were these colors.
- Everyone had this dark metallic-- Yeah.
And they still are.
They've readopted them.
I miss the 90s.
Now we're going back to the real golden age though, which is 70s uniforms.
So we were in the chat and Jack said, there's no way that the Phil's are, you know, with their $300 million are going to drop two games at Philadelphia and boom.
Happened.
Now look at them.
Now he's a Diamondbacks fan for life.
He has no choice.
Go back.
You know that the Philadelphia Phillies have the biggest payroll of any team in baseball.
Number one.
$209 million.
And half of it is Bryce Harper.
The Arizona Diamondbacks are 23 in payroll.
$62 million.
They have a big payroll, but they are going to have the second most championships in MLB this year.
Zero.
So you're recovering OK, Jack, as a Philly fan, you're used to heartbreak tragedy.
I mean, Charlie, what can I say?
You know, I've been a Philly fan my entire life.
So, I mean, you think this L is is anything for us?
Look, we've lost World Series is we've lost.
You think this is the first game seven?
The Phillies have gone down in police.
We've lost two balls on the world stage.
We've lost.
You know, we've had champions go to the Olympics and lose big.
So, please, this is this is like a Wednesday Well, you guys got a Super Bowl recently, though.
The Philly Special.
Was that 17 or 18, right?
When Nick Foles came in.
Was that Nick Foles who came in?
I think it was Nick Foles who came in for the North Dakota kid that tore his ACL.
Yes.
Yeah.
Carson Wentz.
Carson Wentz got hurt.
Greatest tragedy.
Greatest tragedy in the North Dakota history.
Yeah, but then Nick Foles, the University of Arizona product, right, Tyler?
He has a nickname that's pretty famous.
You know, everybody thought that Foles was going to, you know, second string quarterback.
How could a second stringer win the whole thing?
But this happens not in the Super Bowl, but a couple of games before in playoff.
So Foles takes over, who's just a washed up buster and just goes nuts.
And just rides it out.
Just totally rides it out and wins the game.
They beat the Patriots, if I remember correctly, in New Jersey.
It was in Meadowlands.
Yeah, that's right.
The Super Bowl was in the Meadowlands, if I remember correctly.
It was very cold.
Yeah.
They were so worried it was going to be a snowstorm Super Bowl.
It actually ended up being okay.
Yeah.
It was like 38 degrees.
It was like a big thing.
Like, is the Super Bowl going to be snowstorm?
The best lore on the Phillies, before we move on, is they do have the most losses of any professional team in American sports.
The Phillies have managed to lose 11,241 times.
They were an original team that was really bad.
They were bad for a very long time.
They are bad enough that with Jack's new team, the Dingleberries, Diamondbacks, they would have to lose every single game.
They would have to lose every single game for something like 30 years in a row to have lost as many games as the Phillies.
We prefer D-bags, okay?
That's what they call them.
Yeah, so you see, again, Carly, like, this is nothing for us.
This is like... Come on, I remember actually having... You're talking to a Cubs fan.
Okay, fair, okay, fair.
So you know, you know, right?
We went 104 years, Jack, okay?
We actually had, when we were, when we were kids, I remember my dad actually had season tickets for the sort of, you know, famous 93 Phillies and went to, you know, went to a ton of the games.
I got to see Nails play, Lenny Dykstra.
I got to see everybody, Mike Schmidt, even earlier than that.
So it was just this really cool time.
And, you know, growing up, that's back when the games were held at Veteran Stadium, which doesn't even exist anymore.
And I remember just, you know, we would, my, you know, we could only, we only had enough money for two tickets.
So what, but with my brother and I, what my dad would do is, you know, one of us would go to one game, one would go to the other, basically we'd switch off.
Well, best of luck in, I think it starts tomorrow, right?
First game?
Yeah.
Texas Rangers.
First game in Arlington, where they don't win a lot of games in Arlington.
It's right next to Jerry Stadium.
By the way, Tyler, I'm not sure what the confines of our bet were, but this is like a winter cap and I've got the heat on in here.
Whole show.
What?
You just have to pull it to the crown of your head and wear it like they wear it in Philly.
Suffering gives meaning to life, Jack.
We said, we said, we said the show, but I don't know if that meant the whole show or a portion of the show.
Tim Poole wears that hat forever.
So don't give me that.
Okay.
I thought this was Tim Poole.
I thought this was Tim Poole.
For a second I thought we were on TikTok.
Oh, it's Jack!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, see, because it's got the A on it for Pozo.
Well, I just want to reiterate something that was said.
I just want to fact check real quick.
This was the first Game 7 that the Phillies have ever lost.
Is that right?
It's the first Game 7 they've ever been to in their history.
Is that right?
They were bad a long time.
That's crazy.
But they won a World Series like an 08 or something, right?
But they didn't go to Game 7.
Okay, but they still... Like this whole like complaining, if you win one more than every 50 years, you're fine.
Yeah, and Bryce Harper.
How can you like Bryce Harper?
How can you like Schwarber?
I mean, Schwarber looks like a dad.
Hold on, he gave the Cubs a World Series.
He is a relic in the pantheon of Cubs legends.
I was laughing at Lauren because we were watching.
Schwarber looks like your average dad in the pickup line at school.
I'm supposed to not like him for that reason?
That makes him sound awesome.
He also has the most home runs of any left-handed hitter.
He's incredible!
He's scary!
He's also like the worst hitter to be a big home run hitter.
Doesn't he average 190 or something bad on average?
All he does is hit a home run or go out.
That's why it's scary when you're only up, you know.
So we can go multiple directions.
We want to go right into the sports angle, Blake?
We might as well.
Let's start with the UFC thing.
Because, I mean, just so everyone understands kind of how we're approaching this, okay?
You got wars and rumors of war.
We got mass shootings in Maine.
We got houses surrounded.
We got another potential mass shooting in New Jersey.
We just had a Speaker of the House.
We have an invasion on the southern border.
We got a lot of negative stuff.
In Maine.
Right.
And we have three hours of that we do every day.
Jack does it for a couple hours.
And so, you know, we said, you know what?
Let's just take a temporary little detour.
Which, by the way, the sports angle and then can get into Dana White and UFC and Bud Light.
So we can kind of do this.
But let's just start with the topic that we'd usually wait for longer, which is college sports, NIL, name image likeness.
This is a ridiculously interesting topic.
Everyone listening, even if you're not a sports fan, This topic will get your curiosity, because you are living through a total seismic change in philanthropy, college sports, higher education, young men and how they get paid when they play football.
Blake, walk us through it.
Okay, so this all started our discussion.
There was an article in the New York Times a few days ago.
It was called, How Rich Donors and Loose Rules are Transforming College Sports.
And it's this massive, massive piece.
I encourage people to look it up.
But I also extracted some details from it.
A few years ago, the NCAA lost a Supreme Court case which said you can't stop players from profiting off their name-image likeness, and so this opened the door to players receiving some compensation while being college athletes.
And it took very little time for this to evolve.
This decision was, I want to say, about three years ago or so?
Not even, yeah.
And it's already become this new thing where what donors have realized they can do is they set up these donor collectives, they call them.
That's right.
There's more than a hundred of these now at all the big schools.
Donor collectives.
And they essentially just collect money from boosters of this school.
Some of them are for-profit entities, or at least not not-for-profit, and some are non-profits that you can donate to and get a tax deduction for it.
And these collectives come up with various ways to play players overwhelmingly in D1 college football or D1 college basketball.
And some of these details are just crazy.
So one player at Michigan State University makes $750,000 per year as a college athlete.
At Ohio State University, some players not only get a paycheck, they get a free car lease As well.
This is Utah, by the way.
Utah.
Kyle Whittington.
Utah also has this.
Who, by the way, is a bully and will hopefully be by the Oregon Ducks this weekend.
Just gave every player a Dodge truck.
Yeah, $61,000 Dodge.
He's like, if you play for me, you all get a truck.
Who'd he come from?
It's just paid for.
Larry, what's his name?
That's on the Utah Jet.
He has a bunch of dealerships down here, too.
I have no idea.
And just Cade McNamara, he was a quarterback at Michigan.
He's not even good, and he was going to transfer.
He got hurt.
He went to Iowa.
He got hurt, and he transferred.
And he just essentially openly says, yeah, I'm just looking at the different offers.
You know, who's got... It's like LeBron James.
Get that cut, Ryan.
I will bring my talents to South... Remember that?
The announcement?
Taking my talents to South Beach.
Do you remember that announcement?
the most ridiculous moments yeah the decision that was that by the way that got like 12 million views exactly but at least lebron james was a full professional what is crazy about this so cade mcnamara is at one taxpayer funded public university where he says uh you know i'm gonna transfer and go where the best offer is he ends up transferring to iowa another taxpayer funded public university
he is paid six hundred dollars per hour for a non-profit job of delivering meals to seniors and visiting children in hospitals $600 an hour is what, like, a New York corporate attorney who's a partner would make.
The IRS is gonna come after this pretty hard.
But they haven't so far!
They have.
No, they have.
There's a letter.
There's a guidance letter on collectives, right?
That's it.
No, their guidance letter said in July that they're basically going to start coming after all these C3s.
I will believe it when I see consequences for it.
And I think in the medium term, though, it is... Well, it takes them two years to three years to respond to anything.
So it does stand out to me, though, that when you think of the reasons people would traditionally give for liking college sports so much, even though it is a lower level of play than professional, it's, you know, they would cite the identifying with the school, the ideal of a student athlete, amateurism historically, Just really identifying with a specific place.
And it just does seem very jarring, at least to me, that it becomes so mercenary that everyone is essentially just going to pick what place can pay me the most under this new setup.
And becoming this de facto minor league for a major pro sports league when there's still mostly public schools that are doing this.
Well, let's be honest, though.
First of all, with all the conference realignment, this was happening anyway, right?
So as far as the kind of professionalization of college sports, the innocence of college sports has been dying for quite some time.
But I want to push back a little bit though, Blake.
So I met an individual, I'm not going to say who, Tyler knows who this person is, I'll put it in the chat, and he was a kicker for a Big 12 team, okay?
He was in politics.
And he was like, hey, look, I remember he hit a game-winning field goal, right?
He played for a team in the Big 12, went to his locker, and there's $10,000 cash waiting in his locker.
It's like it happened all the time.
So if you think this is new, players have been getting paid hardcore cash.
It's just the devil's advocate, Blake, is just that now it's out in the open.
I'll give you another example.
I know another college athlete, played for USC, dumb as a box of rocks.
Sweet kid, right?
Again, intelligence, as Tucker Carlson said, is not a moral value.
And so, dumb guy.
They would pay the players in the off-season, through the non-profit of the Foundation, to just literally, like, watch footballs.
Like, just watch the footballs.
So, Blake, it just seems to be now in the public eye.
Reggie Bush was paid, Matt Leinart was paid.
Yeah, it's always been there.
It does seem, it's more glaring now.
And I guess, taking a step back, if people like college football or college basketball, more power to you.
What bothers me, I will say, is again that we are corrupting institutions that ostensibly have a different purpose, because we still pretend these people are student-athletes, we still say they're supposed to take classes, and then in turn we corrupt these institutions.
So if you go to some of these schools, UNC's had scandals about this, Ohio State has had scandals about this, where Okay, you're a student athlete, but because you're one of our scholarship student athletes, you have a separate dorm area.
You go to a different building for classes.
We have special athlete-only classes.
We have special athlete-only tutors who, you know, assist you a lot in your scholarly endeavors.
And we gut all of these things.
We'll gut academic standards.
We've had scandals at our military service academies where professors have complained, we are lowering academic standards for people whose job is to protect the United States in order to make sure that the, you know, the Navy midshipmen are able to win more football games, and they've won a lot of football games as a result.
And it does, it just bothers me that this is Apparently, the supreme expression of American values is competition in college sports, such that we will dilute illustrious institutions for the sake of getting those victories.
So, Tyler, you know to talk about this.
Talk about how the money flows.
This is what's interesting.
So, this has a political overture.
Yes, the architecture is similar.
The architecture is most identical.
We happen to think of ourselves a little bit pros on how the left funds itself over at Turning Point Action.
Charlie has spent a ton of time on this.
I spent a ton of time on this.
So if you've heard of Arabella Advisors, so you know Arabella, they have become the epicenter at manipulating C3 dollars in order to push a political narrative, right?
That's all they've done.
And how they've done it is very simple.
It's very similar to how NIL is doing it, specifically with these collectives, as you mentioned.
These collectives now have been slapped by the IRS saying, we're going to come after you, we're going to audit you.
So they've already started moving into for-profit collectives.
And then taking C3 dollars from C3 organizations that are legit C3 organizations that have existed for years and years and years and years, because this is the big problem.
And Charlie knows this really, really well.
New C3s are under a microscope much more often than old C3s.
So like the American Heart Association, probably not going to get, you know, going to get canceled anytime soon by the IRS.
But a brand new political C3, like what happened under Obama, is going to get yanked.
And so this is what's happened with the NILs.
The NILs, these new C3 collectives, are getting scrutinized.
And so they're going now to old C3s that have existed, family foundations, things like that that have existed, and said, give the money.
To them.
Get your ride off.
They will now give money to these for-profit collectives.
The for-profit collectives, they don't have to worry about very much there anyways.
They're not worried about taxes and paying taxes.
They're getting tons of money.
And now those for-profit collectives are now giving the money and the gifts and things like that to the students.
Well, and that's the future.
And that is exactly how Arabella operates.
Arabella operates as a for-profit entity.
It's this massive, this massive web of money.
And so, so Jack, your thoughts on this, on college sports in general, but also, you know, have, has this actually always been as innocent as we like to think?
Well, Charlie, I think we, you know, and of course you've done the yeoman's work on exposing colleges in terms of the general scam of colleges.
And so what we're really talking about here is a subset of the college scam.
So the college sports scam is really, you know, you could write a new chapter or even sort of like a sequel to your, your last book on this, because again, we've totally gotten away from colleges as a, an institution of learning as a place where, again, people were supposed to go and not, not everybody, right?
Not everybody was going to college when these things originally started.
It was a very small subset of people.
Most people graduated school and went right into the workforce if they went to school at all or had any of this.
But it's become so much of a credentialing factory, a diploma mill, if you will, in terms of this.
And so now, by and large, the same way that you see these endowments, the same way you see these universities being run as essentially hedge funds with an academics department, you're seeing these sports departments, and in many cases, it's football.
It's not always football.
It's generally football that leads it.
Um, this has become not just the driver of the institution, but actually its own enterprise unto itself.
And again, the, the university in all of it, it's just there for show or there, by the way, for them to justify more federal funding that they're able to receive for their giant new center, their giant news that whatever it is.
Um, we've completely lost sight of what the purpose of college or university should be.
And by the way, I say that as, A guy who, I didn't go there, but my dad, most people in my family went to Penn State.
We're a big, actually, Pacifics are a huge Penn State family.
We are the Nittany Lions, all of that.
And, you know, I didn't go myself because I didn't want to live in State College.
But the idea is that these universities have become basically a world unto themselves, a money machine unto themselves.
And we're seeing it, Charlie.
It's become this massive influx and flow of money.
To the enemies of the Republic, to the enemies of patriots, to the enemies, in this case, of civilization.
And so, when I see something like this going on, you know, my first thought is, why do we allow these people to be non-profit, to go back to what Tyler was saying, why do we allow them to have non-profit status at all?
Why do we give them IRS breaks when they're taking in this much money?
Why do we allow these things to operate with federal funds, in many cases, at public institutions?
We should obviously be cracking up this entire system, opening the books, figuring out if they owe taxes, make them pay taxes on all of these things.
And when it comes down to the student debt crisis, you know, I'm not really much of a conservatarian on it.
I'm not really a boomer con on this.
Take the money from the universities that have it.
Use that to pay off the debt.
I really don't care.
Yeah.
Blake.
Oh, I was just there was a comment.
I want to respond to a comment in the chat.
Alonzo Musk, where he says there are many things corrupting colleges and sports is low on the list.
I don't know if I agree that it's low on the list.
The amount of money that we're talking about here is pretty.
pretty substantial.
But I do agree there are a lot of things that are corrupting it.
We just had an article shared in our show chat that points out, you know, Qatar has funneled tons of money into U.S. universities.
We know Saudi Arabia has funneled a lot of money in.
The Chinese Communist Party has funneled money in.
And then never mind the sheer number of just normal people of bizarre ideological stripes who put money in our universities and enable all sorts of absolute insanity in them.
And I think all of that is true.
And I think, but I do think sports, because it is so high profile and because, um, Uh, so many people watch it and engage with it and are really aware of what happens and we're going to get these long articles about it in the New York Times.
It's maybe a useful way for us to think about our country's relationship with our higher education institutions.
Well, yeah, and this is an important point.
So, you know who the biggest fans of kind of the popularity of college football is?
Are the people that want the institutions to remain woke.
Hear me out.
One of the things that stop major donors from completely detaching from these universities is a successful college football program.
Exactly.
Let's just take one school for example, University of Alabama.
They are totally captured.
DEI, WOC, all that stuff.
But that football culture is so strong, they're gonna keep on raising money.
They're gonna keep on having a money flow.
And so, what we're looking at actually is one of the reasons we have not been able to get the rallying cry from conservative America to stop giving money, or at least stopping sending kids, or stop supporting Is because they want to keep on cheering on their favorite college football team.
And I'm guilty of this too!
It's a huge, it is a form of, it is, it's weaponizing your emotional attachments against you.
And I think in other contexts we're much more aware of them doing that.
People have noticed this when they make, you know, woke versions of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or something.
That they're trying to take something you care about and use it to hurt you or propagandize you and so forth.
With college, we're seeing this at, you know, once removed.
So, the product itself is not intolerably woke, but it is being used to keep you attached and serving this system that is enormously politicized, is enormously damaging to everything you care about that isn't college sports.
Now, maybe that's not saying a lot, because at the rate they're spending money on some of these things, it seems there are people who only care about college sports.
Yes, so this is a good transition, though, also to the Jewish donors that are starting to divest their funds from higher education.
This seems to start to have a lot of momentum.
Today, Leon Cooperman, legend, billionaire, investor, basically went on Fox Business.
Do we have that clip?
He swore, and he's like, these kids are morons.
I've given $50 million.
I'm no longer going to be supporting Columbia.
You see this with Bill Ackman, with Harvard.
You see this with Ken Griffin, with Harvard.
The Huntsman, with Penn.
Tyler, these universities are actually far more fickle and fragile financially than people realize.
You sat on the Board of Regents here in Arizona.
You know, there is this belief that they're sitting on billions of dollars, but a lot of it is land and immovable assets and, you know, things they can't liquidate.
Tyler, talk about how financially fragile these universities actually are and how college sports is a major part of it.
Well, yeah, you just brought up John Huntsman's no conservative, right?
No, he's a left-winger, LARPing as a Republican.
We're talking about like moderates now are starting to pull their money and now this is happening in the background, by the way.
A lot of the academic enterprise, you know, that's happening in all these different states is now going, holy crap, like all these moderates that we thought, these rhinos that we thought were our friends are now pulling back money.
There's serious talk the president of Penn might have to resign over what their donors are saying.
Because like Charlie just said, most of these assets are not liquid.
This is what's important.
So for example, Harvard has a $45 billion endowment, sort of.
Sort of.
And not to mention, it's all wrapped up in land.
It's all wrapped up in investment.
A lot of land, a lot of buildings.
It's all wrapped up in investment.
A lot of 10-year investments.
Bonding projects, all that stuff.
So you have those three things on top of it.
And then all the money that they have access to, Yes.
Like a deep state.
by a large board.
Mass.
Not to mention, there's also, no one ever talks about this.
There's an invisible hand that's at almost every university that sometimes controls the board of trustees or regents that they have to work through, which is usually staff.
It's usually- Like a deep state.
It's like a deep state.
University of Arizona, you just brought up, hate that place.
It belongs in Mexico.
It should be the University of North Mexico.
Honestly, the country would be a better place.
It would be honestly such a better place.
If Pima County was in Mexico, great country.
We would win Arizona by 10 points.
By a lot, yeah.
And that's a future episode of Swing State Update.
But I will tell you this right now, the only money that they do have liquid is in their foundations.
There's not that much capital there, though.
No!
Because it's hard to raise C3 money.
But, I mean, look, ASU, you brought up ASU.
The number one foundation that exists in Arizona, or maybe it's not number one, but it's really close, is ASU's foundation.
They're sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars.
They raise $150 million a year, $200 million a year.
A lot of corporate money, right?
Well, they've pushed all that money.
So the thing that you just brought up is they've said, hey, Stop giving to the university.
You should start giving to the foundation.
Why?
Because now the university president can pay him and all his friends, like, six, seven-figure salaries.
You know, Brnovich was the one that actually started to expose this.
Yes.
To his credit.
And, you know, he got attacked big time.
So, Jack, you're a Philadelphia guy, as we can tell by your hat.
You better still be wearing that hat, Jack.
Do you mean this one?
This hat right here?
I forgot it was even there.
So Jack, UPenn is kind of the center of this, and Blake mentioned this.
Let me just kind of go through this.
Wharton megadonor and billionaire Mark Rowan has stopped giving and publicly calling on all large donors to close their checkbooks.
Mark Rowan, by the way, is a conservative Jewish donor.
He gives money to the NRSC, and he said he's done.
Utah billionaire John Huntsman has stopped giving to UPenn.
David Megerman, who has helped build Renaissance Technologies, which is the Mercer family— Wait, Huntsman said that?
Yeah.
Renaissance Technologies was Mercer and Simmons or something like that.
It was Mercer.
No, but you know the building at Wharton is named literally Huntsman's Den.
No, and they're done.
That's what's amazing.
Jonathan Jacobson.
Yeah, of course.
High-saged Ventures, who has given tens of millions to the Upendis Coast Checkbook.
So, Jack, you've spent a lot of time in Philadelphia.
University of Pennsylvania is kind of the ivory tower of ivory tower of, like, the intelligentsia of Philadelphia.
So, do we have any—and I'm going to ask Blake this question, because he went to an Ivy League school, so we have to ask him, but I'll get to him second, because we have affirmative action against Ivy League people.
So, let's ask Jack, who should get the question first.
Is this real or is this bluster?
Do you think that these rich guys will eventually have a bunch of meetings and dinners and will eventually be kind of like, oh, it's not that bad and we made some reforms?
Are we actually seeing what we've been calling for, which is a starting of a consciousness of the rich, like better elites?
We have been asking for rich people to start to act ethically.
Not to get rid of rich people, just have rich people that care about the nation, care about their giving.
Jack, is this the beginning of a promising trend?
Yeah, I mean, Charlie, when you're talking about when you put the name Huntsman out there, that really, that really shocked me because I, you know, people know Abby Huntsman from her work on TV.
Don't need to get into all that right now.
People know who she is.
They know her father from being the governor of Utah.
But Huntsman Sr., this was the guy who invented Like the styrofoam that make egg cartons.
He invented the, remember the Big Mac clam?
You know, the clam, the Big Macs.
He invented that, okay?
A lot of the plastic that you have in disposable silverware for these type of things, that was all Huntsman Senior Huntsman Chemicals.
So the amount of money we are talking about here is serious, just world-level generational wealth that the Huntsmans have.
And so the idea that they're going to be pulling out I guess I'll believe it when I see it, Charlie.
That's why we need, you know, what we really need is some type of watchdog organization to keep an eye on these donors, particularly when it comes to campus.
I know only there was a professor list.
Yeah, right.
That was updated in real time.
Maybe like a donor list.
We could call it like a professor watch list and we could actually list the names.
I will say, Tyler, you've been around for almost eight years now, right?
It's eight years, I think, right?
What?
Is it nine years?
Tyler's older than eight?
And I think January's your nine year anniversary, right?
Of being born?
24?
15?
Yeah, yeah.
Nine years.
Professor Watchlist will go down as one of the greatest things we've ever done.
Period.
It's one of the biggest spikes that we've ever had.
It's one of the coolest things we've ever done.
So Blake, you went to an Ivy League school, you're super smart, you know, high IQ, Dartmouth, you know high society kind of psychology really well.
God.
I'm not even being, I'm not being sarcastic!
Is this real or is this bluster?
What I will want to see is rich people can have their obsessions and be very focused on things, and right now it is driven by a news event with a very narrow application to it, which is these schools are having radical anti-Israel groups that frequently just cross the line into overt anti-Semitism.
And the narrow version of this would be they try to placate either, well one, they forget about it, or two, they placate them by essentially cracking down on this narrow set of groups, which is, you know, Students for Justice in Palestine, you get the heave-ho, you guys suck.
And that would be a huge missed opportunity, I think, if that's the outcome that we get.
And the other risk I would see is if we see conservative-leaning donors, instead of us dragging them away from enabling all this hateful rhetoric, we just end up dragging ourselves into, it's okay to do lots of censorship, and we'll be okay with censoring conservatives as long as we also censor some left-wing groups that criticize Israel or whatever group you have.
And I'm not sure what the right outcome's going to be, but I didn't like how in Florida, Ron DeSantis just issued an executive order, I believe, or someone in his government did, that just said, we're unilaterally derecognizing, all of our colleges are ordered to derecognize the following pro-Palestine groups.
And I don't like it because, one, they're going to lose in court, and two, they're really They are damaging the fact that we are pro-free speech, and I would rather, instead of just having this turn into a bad-for-free-speech thing, it turns into a don't-give-infinite-money-to-universities-for-whatever-they-want thing.
Yeah, so this is important, let's just, so this is, so, Florida orders, mostly it's Ron DeSantis, state universities to disband pro-Palestinian student group, saying it backs Hamas.
So, sorry to interrupt you, Blake, but just so everyone understands, this is a student group that I've gone up against, so has Tyler.
It's called Students for Justice of Palestine.
They're nearly ubiquitous.
In some ways, they're the Arab-Muslim turning point USA.
They're scrappy.
Would you say that's fair, Tyler?
They're activistic, not as well-funded.
Actually, they might be as well-funded, because they get Muslim Brotherhood.
So, Blake, just to play devil's advocate, though, they get Muslim Brotherhood money, they get suspicious capital flows from the Middle East.
That's proven.
Why should we allow that on campuses?
By the way, I tend to agree with you, Blake, but I'm just playing devil's advocate.
Why would we allow student groups that receive money from legit terror organizations on our university campuses?
If they're getting illegal money, I would say go after the illegal money.
Well, they directly aren't, but the national organization is, right?
And they spread it out as you well know.
Well, again, I'm a bit of an absolutist on speech, so I don't like the idea of anyone just getting shut down for that reason.
And that is, unfortunately, the reason that the Florida government was giving, which is they, by speaking in support of what Hamas did, are giving support to them.
And that's a standard we definitely do not want to prevail, because what is the argument of every single bad left-wing initiative?
That we are a terrorist.
Yeah, that we are intimidating people, we are threatening them with our political advocacy, Trump caused the insurrection because he said that we're going to fight.
We do not want that to become the norm, because if that is the rule, it is a rule that will be used against us far more than it will be used against anyone on the left.
And I just personally believe it's immoral for its own sake.
So Tyler, I see it both ways, honestly.
I mean, some of the language that these kids use, this is not like advocacy at times.
This is legit Jew hatred, and like, I want to kill my opponent.
It's not about speech, though, to me.
It's about, like you said, Charlie, funding.
So it's not about speech, right?
I think you should be, I agree, you should be, if you're an American on an American university campus, say whatever dumb thing that you want, right?
And that's fine.
But if you're an organization that's coming onto the campus that's funded from an outside group, it's just like, it's like the Saudis buying our land in Arizona.
It's like Saudis buying up farmland.
It's like the Chinese buying up houses and land.
I don't think that that should happen.
And so I think that there is such a thing as ideological real estate at our universities that we should fund and allow.
And it's the same way.
We shouldn't allow them to be able to purchase that.
I think what we want here is you want the direction to not be you have these groups on campus and must ban them.
I would like the focus to be here's all these professors whose chairs you endowed.
We have these endowed chairs and these professors are lunatics who endorse all of this.
I think we can object to having professors who produce no useful scholarship in most cases.
They literally have grievance related positions in You know, ethnic studies, they'll have Middle Eastern studies, it'll just be a total sham field, and then they do full-time politics.
That's what Russell Rickford does, the guy at Cornell who was saying, you know, I was so excited when I saw, you know, a tingle went down my leg, when I saw the scalped babies!
Like, that guy just has a joke job, so get rid of his joke job!
So shouldn't... But that, that does happen with free speech, though, it's like what Charlie, like, with that, that's with, like, the Professor Watchlist, like, you can expose that.
And I mean, here's the- to strongman Blake's argument that I'm playing devil's advocate and throw it to Jack, I could see Governor Gavin Newsom signing an order saying Turning Point USA is a terror organization and is not allowed on university campuses in California.
That is a re- right, Tyler?
I mean, I could see it.
Great, that would help more people, conservers, leave California and go to states that we need to win.
Okay, fine, but you understand the point.
We have a great California network.
Some of our best students are California, right?
Same in New York.
But Jack, you're the terrorist Svengali.
You understand this stuff.
Opinions of Ron DeSantis, put that aside, okay?
Let's just say Governor A, you know, does this, okay?
Is Ron- is this the right move?
To say that Students for Justice of Palestine should not be allowed on campus, and then talk further, Jack, are you in favor of creating a blacklist for these 31 student organizers at Harvard that came out in support of the Hamas attack?
Well, see, and I will actually kind of respond to, I'll just say what I said to the DeSantis administration on Twitter when they did this.
I said, okay, that's fine, but are you going to include all of the Black Lives Matter chapters that are now coming out and praising Hamas?
Will you include all Black Lives Matter chapters that exist anywhere in the state of Florida that are associated with any university that falls under public funding?
Right?
So again, Charlie, the issue that I have here is that there's these half measures That sort of go in a little bit, but don't go all the way, so they're not actually taking the full... Like, if we're gonna start banning leftists and banning leftist organizations, let's go all the way.
Let's actually go all the way and do it for real.
When it comes to the doxxing truck and the blacklisting, I saw the latest headline on the doxxing truck.
You guys know about the doxxing truck, right?
Do I have to explain that?
We've talked about that.
Build it out for our audience.
Yeah, so the doxxing truck, just in a quick...
You know, TLDR is this is the truck that is playing all the names and faces on a digital screen, basically a digital billboard on the side of a panel truck that's driving all the way around basically the Harvard campus and off campus with the names of every single student that signed onto this anti-Israel document, charter, whatever you want to call it.
And now it's gotten to the point where every day The truck is parking in front of one of the people's houses and actually broadcasting their name and face for everyone right in front of their house.
And I say, God bless them.
Face, face, face.
Continue this.
Make sure not just the students, but go after the teachers as well.
Anyone who went on with this.
Make sure that you put it out there and you put it everywhere for all to see.
Because remember guys, it's not, it's not about canceling.
It's about, It's not about accountability.
It's not about censorship.
It's about justice.
It's not about hate.
It's about the arc of morality and the moral justice of the universe.
Look, until we start embracing these tactics, the left is just gonna continue to use them against us, to use them against our families, to use them against our friends.
Anytime you make one wrong move, and I'm sorry, but the coxervative response to just throw your hands up and say, no, no, that's not fair.
It's not going to work and it's never going to work.
You have to fight fire with fire at some point.
And I say, I love the docking truck.
I wish I knew how to donate to it.
So, I mean, I think that some American Jews are embracing that, right?
I think that there is such a fresh... They certainly are!
I think there's such a fresh memory to the horrors of the Holocaust that a lot of American Jews are like, you know what?
We have political power.
We kind of control a lot of these universities and institutions, at least through boards and donor connections.
It's time for them to feel the pain.
Do you agree with that, Blake?
I mean, you have come out Against the blacklisting, I can't remember.
I mean, I'm certainly sympathetic to blacklisting these specific people because they're really awful and it's been delicious to see some of them on Twitter and we can just drag out their comments in 2017 where they're just, you know, where they're just praising every single cancellation ever and they're now, whoa!
Oh no!
I just got in trouble because I said that Hamas scalping a baby was good!
I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.
I do, I mean, I'll be honest.
I thought, I think a lot of us did like when America was a country where you could say things and not have horrible stuff happen to you.
And if cancellation, if reciprocal cancellation takes us towards a reality where we don't need to cancel everyone, you know, over every opinion they have, I would consider that, you know, an unfortunate but necessary step.
But I don't like the idea that we just end up in this ideological terror zone where everyone is going around pulverizing everyone to smithereens because of opinions they had in college.
So, just to be very clear before the Anti-Defamation League tries to murder me in my sleep, what I was saying is that... They'll probably try to murder you while you're awake.
Yeah, whatever.
So Jews have given billions of dollars to institutions, and they're using what leverage they have to try and stop Jew hatred on these campuses.
Jack, your thoughts?
You say here in the chat, we've always had cancel culture.
You disagree with Blake.
Jack, explain.
Well, I mean, you can talk about supporting freedom of speech, and you can talk about supporting the idea of freedom from the, I guess, law enforcement repercussions of speech in the country.
I do think that we've always generally had cancel culture in what we would call the popular culture or the popular mainstream society, for lack of a better term, because it's just been that in the past it was basically pro-civilizational forces, pro-civilizational individuals who held the rungs of power, the reins of power, and now it is anti-civilizational forces that hold on to the reins of power.
For example, people speaking out against Christ, John Lennon's famous comments about Jesus being bigger than Jesus, etc.
That led to a lot of cancellation.
Now, it certainly didn't lead to legal repercussions or anything like that, but I do think that moral cancellation has been part of, not just America, but Western culture for a long time.
It's always around.
It waxes and wanes, and I think over time it's waned a lot.
I think the stuff you would get cancelled for believing 300 years ago was a wider range, and what you would call cancellation could be a lot more severe.
You could be executed for it.
You have surges of this, and then you have periods where it backs off.
Most of us were young people in the 90s, early 2000s.
It was not that bad then.
It was kind of uncool to care too much about politics.
The idea of relentlessly digging into someone's past to find some random statement they made, and then, oh, you don't get to host the Oscars anymore or appear in a movie, or you're going to get fired from your job.
The idea that you would have the New York Times or some magazine do a profile on a person who's otherwise a totally normal individual who's not famous just to get them fired, That was what peak cancel culture was, was Gawker would go and they would just say, here's all these kids who said the N-word on Twitter and we just contacted all of their colleges that admitted them and we got these people's admissions rescinded.
None of these people are celebrities, none of them are actors, none of them are influencers, none of them are anything.
We just wanted to go mess them up.
And we've seen that happen to people and we're kind of having it happen with this.
And do I think what they said was really ugly?
And in this case, maybe it's merited because they're super unhinged and it's, you know, probably at least a little problematic if you're gonna go work with, you know, a bunch of Jewish people in New York and you're on the record saying that, you know, every Jew should drink blood and their kids can be decapitated because they're settler colonists.
Understandable that this is an extreme case, but I don't I don't like the concession or the attitude That's just well, you know We're just in a war of one side against the other and you should just do whatever you want to the other side But given that we are in the war Blake don't you want to win?
I do want to win so I mean we have to kind of check I was I mean, I I kind of agree with the The high-mindedness that you're pursuing, but we are kind of in this nasty trench knife fight, aren't we?
For sure, for sure.
I wish there were tactics, I think there are tactics we can do that we choose not to use for some reason, and one of those things is just, okay, if you don't like what these colleges do or they have wacky professors, nuke that department.
Like, before we decide cancel culture's great, why don't we go to the Arizona legislature and say, why does any publicly funded university in the state of Arizona have an X studies department?
It's gone.
All the professors?
Fired.
None of them are allowed to work for any of our institutions again.
That's not cancel culture, that's don't literally give money to people who hate you.
I mean, of course, you know, I agree with that.
I think what we're at, I entirely want to jump in here, is that there's this kind of, we have nothing but bad options, we just need to pick kind of the best.
I don't think any of us delight in quote-unquote canceling somebody.
At the same time, I mean, Blake, these people, you know, they're horrific.
They want us dead.
They want to exert pain on us, right?
They want us to suffer.
They're wretched individuals.
Yes, they are.
They're wretched.
And I don't lose sleep over making the people that have made a profession of delighting in our suffering all of a sudden have to fear that they might lose their job because they said something legitimately reprehensible.
Not like a joke.
And the best argument, I think, is if this is what, you know, sort of mutual escalation can bring us to a peace deal that I would appreciate.
There's no guarantee of that.
It might not.
It might not.
It might be a 200-year civil war.
You are correct.
It is good for a turnabout to come to quote Dante's Divine Comedy, you thirsted for blood, now drink your fill.
And that's where we are.
And so, again, I don't love it at the same time We're left with really... Okay, so there really is... I hate to be binary, but right, Tyler, there's two options.
We do nothing and write op-eds and say, it's wrong to cancel people while they're literally transing our kids and firing us from every major power center and debanking us.
Debanking you.
Right, literally debanking us.
Or we say, man, war sucks.
Time to win.
Tyler, your thoughts.
Yeah, I mean, the way that I look at it is really simple.
It's like, it's like schoolyard stuff, right?
Which is like the only way that you get a bully to stop is if you like stand up to the bully and the bully is scared.
You could say this about... Yeah, but I mean, I'll just give you my small... I mean, I don't have...
all the experience in the world but having like being super involved like party politics and how nasty because i i mean i went toe-to-toe with john mccain and his people you also have a fun banking story and yeah and a lot i mean i've i've gone through these things the only thing that i've ever seen ever to work is for those people to know that you number one are have political power unaffected by what they're doing to you mm-hmm Number one.
And number two, that's most important.
Because Charlie remembers, I had many phone calls with him.
I tried to lift you up.
Nine years ago, where I was like, I don't need to do this.
I don't need this in my life.
And he's like, no, no, no.
You do.
Stay in the fight.
It's going to be fine.
It's not going to matter.
And he was right.
But the second, then, is to go back at them and be like, hey, you know what?
Just FYI.
You know, I have legitimate, you know, muscle reflex here on you.
That's political power.
That's knowledge.
It's knowing what's going on.
And when you do that, they get a little bit scared and they go, okay, I'm going to leave that person alone.
And they go figure out something else for a little bit.
Yeah, and if you don't do that, and that's the point, we just had something recently with that.
Yeah, there's another element to this, which is that you must not allow them to tell you who to cancel.
It's very, very important, right?
Now, if someone has really done something that you feel reprehensible, or that you feel violates your values, or they were deceitful, or they betrayed you, 100%, right?
But you do not have them set the standard for what you do, right?
That's a very important thing.
I don't think our target has to be to cancel them.
It has to be to expose truth.
I think cancel culture is an element of Alinsky tactics.
I think for us, it's like, hey, just what's more powerful and what's more righteous is to be like, hey, I'm just going to expose you.
I'm going to tell everybody exactly what you're doing.
They hate exposure.
And they hate the truth, and that's the best yield for everyone, because more people become educated, more people know to defend themselves.
This is like the Trump model, right?
Which everybody, you're up against all the Alinsky model, and Trump is like, I'm just going to tell everyone the truth, and more people are going to listen, and he won an election.
Jack, your contribution here?
Well, I just want to say we've got some really great comments coming in, and if you guys mind if I have a real quick, just read a few, you know, show them out there.
Someone's here saying, so DJ Mac, right Kirk, show the rule book, the left goes by, they make up the rules as they go along.
Alonzo Mosk, we said that one.
Alonzo Mosk had the one, never interrupt your opponent when they're making mistakes.
Franklin 779, anti-whites get fired, deported, and sent to prison.
How can we send them to prison after we deport them?
But we'll figure it out.
We're in prison.
The Real WO, the golden rule, don't give money to people who hate you.
Troubleshooter 1, no open check.
How many different ways you can say it?
Okay, we just pulled it up.
D59er, kick the bullies AZZ.
That's why we are in the shape we're in, because the good people stood down.
He's in solitary confinement.
He's in solitary confinement.
Always beware using the left tools against them.
Unlike us, they also have a political power structure above to follow through on their cultural warfare.
I'm just going to say something because I don't know that we've mentioned it yet on the show tonight.
It bears repeating.
Owen Schroer is behind bars right now.
That's what's going on currently in the United States.
He's in solitary confinement.
In solitary confinement.
He will be there all weekend because he's unvaccinated, we're told.
And this is COVID protocol in Louisiana, the same state that our new speaker hails from.
Owen Schroer, guy who does a talk show for a living.
A guy who said, I don't even know if you can say said the words, but said the numbers.
1776 outside the Capitol.
Outside, not inside.
Outside the Capitol on January 6th.
Someone who, he disrupted a congressional hearing by standing up and heckling at one point prior to then.
All completely covered under the First Amendment activities.
He is currently behind bars in a federal corrections institution in Louisiana, the federal government in solitary confinement.
So I'll say to the guys who were saying like, oh, never use the left tools, et cetera, et cetera.
Guys, understand the situation that we're in right now, current.
The leader of the Republican Party and number one opposition candidate Has been arrested four times and faces 91 different charges in various jurisdictions around the country.
Faces actual jail time.
You understand that?
There's also a guy saying, this judge, saying that I'll throw this guy Trump, this president, your opposition leader, behind bars if he talks too much publicly about the process that's going on.
Charlie, have there ever been any books that were written about this where they described the process being the punishment itself?
I can't think of any, can you?
Say that again?
Oh, the talk about the political trials actually being the point, not so much the actual... Darkness at Noon.
Yeah, the actual punishment.
Darkness at Noon.
That's exactly right.
Darkness at Noon with Mr. Rubishov by Arthur Kessler.
One of the least appreciated books of the 20th century.
So guys, we wouldn't be having these conversations were we not in the situation that we're currently in, so please don't, you know, understand the world that we're in right now.
Don't take things out of context.
This is not a vacuum.
There are actual people who are friends of ours, friends of everybody on this show, that are behind bars right now, named Owen Schroyer, for their speech, for their opinions.
And so, everyone needs to understand this.
Everyone needs to understand this.
I want to be with people that I'm aligned with.
It's not about money anymore for me.
White came on the program on the Charlie Kirk show and we talked about Bud Light UFC and a surprise announcement of the UFC partnering with Bud Light.
Let's go to cut 126.
I want to be with people that I'm aligned with.
It's not about money anymore for me.
It's about being with like-minded people and everybody that comes into the UFC knows what this business is about.
It's and what I'm about what I stand for.
This decision to go with Bud Light was based on anything but money.
Okay, and so Bud Light and UFC are doing a joint partnership and a branding deal.
Dana White came on for a full conversation on our podcast.
And, you know, I really like Dana.
I've gotten to know him.
He's an entrepreneur, patriot, and he's also had the President's back 100%.
But let's ask this question.
Is there an opportunity ever, Jack, let's start with you, where we want to say, hey, Bud Light screwed up with the Dylan Mulvaney thing.
They're a massive company.
Do we want them to just say, only sponsor left-wing stuff?
We never want it.
Or is there an argument to be made to say, if they start to invest in organizations, sport leagues and things that are more center-right, like UFC, that is movement in the right direction and them admitting their mistake, aka message received.
Jack, how should we think about this?
Well, Charlie, I've been to, I've been to UFC fights.
Um, we were at that, we were actually at that fight in, in Vegas, um, where McGregor broke his, broke his ankle.
And like, what round was that?
Round three?
You know, we were there, the one where Trump came in and had the huge pop.
Mel Gibson was sitting like a couple of rows in front of us.
It was awesome.
Anything where Braveheart was in.
Was it interesting?
It was round one.
I didn't think it was round one.
Was it round one?
Was it actually, it may have been that early that I think about it.
Um, it was huge.
The one where Trump walked in or Rich Chans at USA.
Um, but, So I'll tell you that was a huge that was a huge crowd.
But Charlie, it's to your point, even though the organization UFC is more is more center, right?
I think people need to understand that there's there's in in their organization, in that audience, if you look at these sporting events like like the WWE, like UFC, there are members of the audience, by the way, there that are gay and that are LGBT.
And so, you know, I think this is clearly a percentage That they're working into it, but at the same time, obviously, UFC and Bud Light seem to be moving far away from that at the same time.
So it's sort of like, we did it, we bounced off.
And I'll be fair about this, and I was fair about this when it came up at the time, even with the trans whatever thing that was done, it wasn't like they did some kind of, and people will be like, oh, Post was being a cuck.
No, no, no, it's just facts, all right?
It's just facts.
It wasn't like they did an ad campaign.
It was like one beer cozy.
It was literally one beer cozy.
So to your point, you know, am I going to take money for them?
No, I don't drink.
I don't do that.
I'm in a perpetual boycott.
You know, say again?
I'm constantly boycotting.
Boycotting what?
It's a joke, Jack.
We don't drink, so we're constantly boycotting.
I'm sorry.
Some of us have comedic timing.
No, no, no.
I'm saying that you and I are in constant boycott mode.
You'll work on it, Charlie.
You'll get there.
Watch a little more Seinfeld.
And then one day, one day, And then, um, basically, I think you're right.
I think it's a carrot-and-stick approach.
I think we need to have a carrot-and-stick approach with these large organizations.
We really do.
Yeah, so Blake, where do you fall on this?
First of all, someone called me Bud Light Blake in the comments, and I don't think I've ever drank a Bud Light in my entire life.
And that even means more coming from me, because I do drink sometimes, but not that.
You heathen!
You know, if it was good enough for Christ, it was good enough for me, I suppose.
He was Lord of all.
Yes.
He gets privileges we don't get.
He was fully God and fully man, and sometimes he drank wine for dinner.
When you raise someone from the dead, you can have Merlot.
I mean, have you seen what alcohol can do to people?
That's all I'm saying.
Anyway, so with the Bud Light thing, I worry that the biggest asset of Bud Light is we might be getting too much into the specifics of, oh, have they redeemed themselves and so on.
We've gotten very excited because this is kind of the first big conservative boycott in recent history.
On mass scale.
To be big, to really stick, for them to try to fix it, for it to fail.
And I think some people were inclined to just think, oh, the right got better at doing boycotts and we can do this again.
I don't know if that's entirely the case.
I think Bud Light was perfectly situated to be a strong boycott.
It's a thing that's sold everywhere.
It's really easy to pick an alternative because there's a million different brands of beer.
You don't really need it.
It's something you consume socially and publicly, so it's really easy to enforce because you go to a party and someone's like, you're drinking the gay beer.
And that's become a thing.
It's a real thing.
That's a big factor behind why the boycott continues.
No one wants to be the guy who goes and buys it at a thing.
And so the point is, this was a successful boycott for specific reasons.
And I'm worried that if it, basically, if it goes away, we're not going to be able to easily replicate it, and it might be that the best way you get value out of the Bud Light boycott in terms of having companies not want to be woke, not wanting to do things that could damage them, is you turn them into an example, and you make Bud Light a smoldering crater, where it's just, everyone will think, everyone will go to business school, and they'll get these case studies that say,
You know, Bud Light did this thing, they made middle America angry, and they took a billion dollar brand, and it was wiped off the face of the planet.
Do you think that message has already been received?
It's strong, but I think it could always be stronger, and I'm not going to fault UFC here.
UFC's got to make money, and it's a lot of money, and I think maybe the ideal would be UFC made this deal, they get their money, and then it doesn't work, and people still just don't buy Bud Light anyway, because it's still a beer they don't like.
That might be the ideal outcome from this.
I don't want to equate cancel culture on a product that you choose to buy for any number of reasons, especially with beer, where it's all weighted with aesthetic and ideological.
I don't want to equate cancel culture on a product that you choose to buy for any number of reasons, especially with beer, where it's all weighted with aesthetic and ideological.
It's commoditized.
It's not canceling.
And yet people, it's not.
It's not the same thing.
And it's not, you know, it's the difference between a commercial ramifications for a large conglomerate and the individual ramifications for one person's life.
And especially one person's life in something that's often unrelated to their ability to work in any other field.
Whereas this is, you know, what Bud Light chose to do as a beer to market itself.
It's just, it is not, I think it abuses the term cancel culture to say that people deciding they don't want to drink Bud Light because it's the gay beer now is cancel culture.
It's a much more traditional alienation of your customer base.
Well, let me ask the question just more broadly, okay?
So, Tyler or Jack, let's just take Bud Light out of this.
We need some rules, I think, right?
We need some rules of, do we ever allow a company to redeem themselves to come back into the movement if they want to spend money on the right stuff?
Or no, do we say, absolutely not, we're not gonna let that.
Because I think there is a big difference here, okay?
Bud Light, you know, did the can, whatever.
Their response was poor, let's be honest, right?
It was like they thought they could get away with it, they thought the new cycle would pass.
That is different than North Face or whatever, Patagonia, literally just running like gay ads and like owning it and doubling and tripling down, right?
So, but I'm just wondering what should the criteria Tyler be?
Do we just say, you know what?
No, we're not going to do it.
You're not allowed back into the club.
Because, but honestly, it's a question we have to have because what I think conservative America is grappling with, both in the speaker's race here, is like, wait, what do we do with this power that we know?
Because we have a lot of it, more than I think we ever realized.
I think that people look at this, I think it's like a social thing.
I think it's not dissimilar from like what Ron DeSantis is going through right now, and also women who change their hair color drastically and then change it back.
Almost immediately afterwards.
Because this happens a lot.
Also like Ron DeSantis.
Also like Ron DeSantis.
Is that I think what happens it's more like watching a train You know, collision or like a train derailment or like you can't take your eyes off it, like a bad accident.
And people are going to be intrigued and watching like what they do with UFC, but it's like if it doesn't come off organic and natural and like sane, then it's not going to do anything for them.
And people are actually going to be more disgusted by it in the same way as like if like somebody goes crazy and they color their hair, they're like a blonde person, they color their hair, you know, dark and then all of a sudden They I know this is a very specific like example for many They try to bleach their hair back and then all their hair falls out and everyone's just like watching the whole time like what is that?
Person going through I'm not gonna say gender but like what is that person going through?
And like it's the same thing with like this and like with Ron DeSantis is like or political candidates in general.
Like you'll see them like go all in and then they try to like make up for it.
And then by that point, people are just watching and then they're like, this is so not organic or natural.
I'm watching and I'm intrigued because it's a freak show, but like I'm not going to actually subscribe to that.
And I think that's what's going to happen with this.
It's a momentum based equation I think.
Bud Light was so big it was almost unkillable until they screwed it up so bad and now it's almost impossible to undo.
I think if it was a smaller brand people would be more willing to forgive it because it might be one guy who runs everything, he writes a letter, people identify with that a little bit more.
And you turn it around, but Bud Light is obviously a giant corporate thing, and... But let's be honest, UFC's a right-wing thing.
It is, right?
That's for sure.
Right?
I mean, it's a right-wing thing.
You not agree, Tyler?
No, I agree with you.
I just don't think it has anything to do with UFC.
I don't think... I think it's more like UFC is just like... It has eyeballs.
Yeah, they're just... they'll take anybody's money.
Okay.
For the most part.
I don't think this impacts UFC at all.
What I'm saying, though, is that some companies wouldn't partner with UFC.
Some companies wouldn't partner.
Yeah, yeah, obviously, Bud Light's trying to, like, fake it.
I don't know.
UFC's not right-wing on par with, I don't know, maybe a gun manufacturer or something.
Pretty close.
Well, look, I mean, they have Trump come, you know, Rogan, all that stuff.
It's also ridiculously bloody and all that stuff.
But, I mean, Dana is super outspokenly Trump, MAGA, conservative, you know, defied the COVID stuff, you know, anti-cancel culture, all that.
Jack, do you see what I'm getting at here, which is, Again, I'm not even sure I know the answer, but, you know, Anheuser-Busch is a blue-chip company.
I don't like the argument people say, oh, it's an old American company.
Like, okay, that's... They're owned by a Belgian.
Yeah, exactly.
But the argument that I say, okay, I think that we as conservatives need to reassess What do we do with power?
Corporate power, government power, right?
What do we do with power?
We don't know, actually.
That's why we're debating it all hour.
Do we cancel people?
Do we blacklist them?
Do we kick, you know, SJP off campus?
We don't know.
So I'm guessing, like, from this, what do we do?
Because in some ways, Anheuser-Busch is acknowledging that they are controlled by the American right.
Well, Charlie, what, what we need to do is we have to remember a couple of things, you know, I'm not going to do the whole like first principles spiel, but right.
We, we are the side that loves innovation.
We are the side that loves freedom.
We are the side that loves actual creation and entrepreneurship, right?
We, we do actually support those things on this side, right?
I know that we have a lot of other fights that we have to do on a regular basis, but those are the things that we support.
And so we want to set up a system whereby in those I say the ability to achieve greatness is protected.
And so that means boundaries.
Okay, that means setting boundaries on our country.
That means setting boundaries on our military, on every institution that we can possibly get in control of.
And because these same institutions, whether it be a company like BUD, whether it be a place like the military, we were talking about the universities in the last segment, have been taken over by these radicals Who hate excellence, who hate greatness, who don't want achievement.
They want to force their radical programs on everybody else.
Our goal should be, number one, destroying those programs, but number two, making sure that when someone does return to the normal parameters that have been set up, and by the way, the same parameters that have given this country so much Wealth and power and status and greatness over the years, then they should be supported.
So once you get back on track, we're good.
Okay, that's what we want.
We want to shut down that kind of stuff.
Like for example, I would love if NASA went back to the space shuttle program and putting putting men on the moon and putting people in space and having literally remember the right stuff and the best man for the job No, I'm sorry, hidden figures, right?
It's not the hidden figures.
It's Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong.
Those are the ones who matter the most.
You know why?
Because they're the ones who did it with less technology than you would find in like a TI-83 calculator in your pocket when they went to the moon.
That's the pinnacle of American greatness is the moon landing.
That's the country that we need to be again.
And whatever institution gets us there should be the ones that we support.
Blake.
I'm distracted.
We have a guy in chat who's trolling me non-stop.
He keeps calling me Bud Light Blake.
It's actually me on my alt.
Oh, man.
This is a betrayal.
This might be the worst betrayal to ever happen to anyone in human history.
Worst anime betrayals.
Worst anime betrayal.
This is worse than Judas.
Do we want to get to the deep web reveal?
Ooh, do we have the stuff ready for the Deep Web Reveal?
I think we do.
Wait, I don't have it set up.
I'll get it.
I'm gonna get it.
I'm gonna get it.
So the Deep Web Reveal for this week is very relevant because we just did bring up the worst betrayals of all time.
And so there's a lot of there's a lot of translations of the Bible out there.
It used to be you were limited to what you maybe find at your Christian bookstore.
I thought this was a troll when you went through And, but now we have the internet, and the Bible is a public domain book, so basically every translation of it is, you know, out there.
Christians like to spread the good news.
We like to spread the good news everywhere.
We've translated the Bible into Japanese, we've translated the Bible into French, we've translated the Bible into strange Amazonian dialects that have clicking sounds in them.
And one of the languages that we have translated the Bible into is called Hawaiian Pidgin.
It is the sort of Gobbledygook version of English that you get if you are in Hawaii.
And the special thing is, is that the Hawaiian version of the, the Hawaiian pigeon version of the New Testament is called, I'm not making this up, Da Jesus Book.
Da Jesus Book.
So can, can I tell the story of how this, who, which one of us found this?
Was it, was I the one who found this?
I think.
Originally?
I think, yeah.
So just somewhere in my, in my travels.
in the deep, dark recesses of the internet.
So I found this the other night and I don't even know what we were doing.
And I sent it in the chat as a sort of, "Hey, maybe something to talk about on ThoughtCrime this week." And Charlie totally thought I was trolling. - No, I thought it was. - He was like, "That's not real.
That's a meme that no one would ever actually make a Bible and call it the Jesus book." And and then I and then we thought, there it is.
There it is.
And so I don't know if we have the shot of this, but you can go to Bible.com or Bible Hub or Bible Gateway.
Like, you know, those websites where they're pretty popular, where you can you can go through different translations, different versions of the Bible.
Just scroll down on one of those and you'll see it right there.
Hawaii Pigeon.
And I'll just read a little bit from Now, normally, for example, you might hear, you might hear of something called, well, Charlie, let's, let's go, let's go, you know, let's, let's keep it surface level for folks.
We all know you've got the thing memorized front to back, but let's keep it surface level.
I don't have the name.
What is that?
Oh, no, that's Erica.
What is the name of, I know, right?
Now, what is the name of the first book of the Bible, right?
Genesis.
Genesis.
Okay.
They call it the book of start.
And then the second book is called Outta Egypt.
Not... Outta Egypt.
Outta Egypt.
What is Leviticus?
Leviticus is laws.
It's priests.
Priests.
Priests.
Let me guess.
Numbers.
In da wild.
Census.
Census.
Okay, Deuteronomy.
Two laws.
Rules second time.
See, I was not wrong.
I was not far off.
Two laws.
Okay, let me guess.
Then Joshua.
Joshua's Joshua.
Okay, then it would be judges.
Local leaders.
Local leaders.
First and second kings.
Those kings.
Ruth, Samuel, kings.
Those are all the same.
Hold on.
First and second chronicles.
It would be dem rights.
Records, unfortunately.
I'm so close!
I think the next best good one is we have songs, which is Psalms, and then I think Proverbs.
Something with like lines of wisdom.
Smart guys.
Wait, no, the next one is really... No, you can't be serious.
The next one's great, too.
It's smart, guys.
It's Ecclesiastes, which comes after Proverbs, right?
Which would be, like, those musings.
Teacha.
Teacha?
Teacha.
It's Ecclesiastes.
Presumably, I guess, if they're following the same order.
And then Love Song.
That song's a song.
Song of Solomon.
Yeah, that's actually pretty good.
And then Lamentations is... Hold on, is Regrets.
Sad Song.
Okay, not bad.
Love Song and Sad Song.
There's a theme.
There's a theme.
Can you jump ahead a little bit to, so we have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but what, what do they call Acts of the Apostles?
It's like, uh, it's like the gang of the apostles or something.
Jesus guys.
I want to read just a certain like line.
This is not a joke.
This is an actual translation.
By the way, the Old Testament.
You read the one you have, and then I have an idea for what I want to do next.
We'll have Charlie pulling at random.
First of all, Da Jesus book is technically just the New Testament.
The Old Testament is called Da Befo Jesus book.
You're kidding me.
The first version that I came out of, this is just the first one that came out, so there's probably better lines, but this is Matthew 1, so this is the ancestry of Jesus.
Yes, the genealogy.
So it starts, "Jesus ancestor guys.
This book tell about Jesus and his ancestor guys.
He the Christ guy, the special guy, God when sent.
He from King David Ohana, and David he from Abraham Ohana.
This Jesus Ohana list.
Get 14 fathers from Abraham to Jacob.
Abraham, he Isaac father.
Isaac, he Jacob father.
Jacob, he Judah father.
It goes on like this for ages and ages and ages and I want to hear and then we get to the second part.
Jesus born.
Before Mary born Jesus, the special guy God once said this happened.
Mary, she make ready for Mary Joseph.
But before they marry, the good and special spirit make her get happy.
Happy?
Oh.
I guess?
Is that?
Well, I mean, the original Greek is they got to know each other.
Something... I actually think it's kind of sweet.
I actually enjoy it.
I could listen to this on top.
I think Get Happy is pregnant, actually.
That's correct.
Is this on audio, bro?
Look at your name, by the way.
guy that do the right thing every time and he know like make her come shame in front da people so he figure I know go and marry her but I know go and tell anybody is this on audio bro?
Look at your name by the way can we show that again?
I'm gonna have to go on No, we should have Bud Light.
We should have this as an audio book from Bud Light Blake.
That's right.
Bud Light Blake.
So, Jack, you want to play a game?
By the way, let me guess what Revelations is.
The End Times.
Uh, no, that's, um.
Whoa.
What Jesus Show John.
Jesus Show.
Jesus Show John.
Jesus Show John.
It just says Jesus Show.
Like the Charlie Kirk Show.
Matthew.
Oh.
What Jesus Show John.
Matthew.
I do a particular.
Is Matthew the tax man?
So it's Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
But for Matthew 2, it says, The smart guys who know plenty about the stars.
That's the wise men.
They're talking about the wives Charlie.
Give me, give me, let's just, just, just give us chapter and verse.
Let's go.
Let's, let's spin the wheel.
One of the most, one of the most famous verses in the Bible, Genesis 1, 26, 1, 27.
And God created male and female in his image.
And we will create man and woman in our image.
One of the most famous verses in the Bible, Genesis 1, 26, 1, 27.
Okay.
Then God tells.
Now I like make people.
I like them be just like me.
just like one copy they go and be in charge of everything the fish inside the ocean the birds inside the sky the animals all the land all the small kind animals that go around on top the ground so god make the people same same just like one copy of him he made guy kind oh man he made guy kind and waheen kind i couldn't i can't even get that one waheen kind okay
john john 3:67 john 3:16 for god i got this i'll get this one for god so loved the world he gave his one and only son that whomever believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life god get plenty love and aloha for the people inside the world That's why he send me, his one and only boy.
Because of that, everybody, trust me, no going get cut off from God forever.
They going get the real kind life that going to stay the max forever.
Okay, so Jack, we're going to get a lot of heat.
You know, I hate Violet.
Can't breathe.
That's Dartmouth on display right there.
Bud Light, Blake.
So people are going to say, Charlie, why are you guys making fun of if this brings people to the Lord?
Is this a real language, Jack?
Like, help people understand.
What dialect is this?
I thought this was trolling.
I thought da Jesus book was a joke.
Like, I thought this was no way this is real, like AI generated.
What is, is this an actual language that people speak?
So here's the thing.
This, this, keep in mind, this is not the Hawaiian language.
This is not the English language.
This is a Creole language.
That is spoken by like some people in Hawaii, but many, but the two official languages of Hawaii are English and Hawaiian.
Those are fully developed languages.
They allow for things like gradiation.
They allow for things like, uh, the various, um, and, and key differences in many of the translations to, to come in.
And so Charlie, my, yeah, I'm just going to say it.
Like, I'm literally just going to say it, that, What I think you're doing here is you're actually lowering the status of the word by putting it into a language like this, quite frankly, and I think you're depriving it of meaning in many cases, and you are degrading it so much.
So, if this is being done potentially as a way to help really and truly help a certain subset of people, to bring them into the fullness of Christ, That's one thing, but the idea that you wouldn't also be trying to help those people to fully understand even the Hawaiian language, by the way, the actual Hawaiian language.
I think you're just going to miss so much in terms of the teaching.
I think you're going to miss so much in terms of the moral guidance that the Bible and the New Testament gives, because I'm looking at some of these things, and you can just tell that the way that they're, you know, and Blake, you know, you're looking at the translations.
I've got it on YouVersion, so you can do side by side.
It's very simplistic.
It's like basically, it's like when you read one of those, you know, simplified versions of articles, you know, there's different websites, they have simple versions.
It's not the fullness of the actual teaching, and I feel like there's a lot lost that way.
And I think it's worth highlighting that the Hawaiian language that the Hawaiians spoke, there's a Bible translation for that from the 1800s.
And of course, as we all know, the Bible is written in English.
But this is just made up.
This is just made up, right?
Well, so it is, there are real, it is a real pigeon language.
There are people who talk this way.
I think there is a school of thought that thinks you should bring the Bible to people in whatever manner they speak, but, and there's also an academic thing that will say, like, all languages are 100% equal, and so Hawaiian pigeon is a language on par with, you know, the Queen's English.
Yeah, but Bible scholars wouldn't tell you.
You know!
You'll get, you know, Two Bible scholars, three opinions.
But what I think is unfortunately true here is, it is true, it's just a pidgin language by its very nature is going to be a degraded form of a language that struggles to express concepts.
And I do worry, you know, just our reaction to it does show the downsides of this, which is it is a faintly ridiculous language.
I mean, if people get saved through this, it's great, but it feels as if, I mean, I'm just gonna be honest, If you learned English, I think John 3.16 is just more powerful than whatever that is.
For sure, for sure.
I mean, eventually you go through so many... Like, you go from Greek to Latin to English to Pidgin speak.
Like, you're four derivatives.
Like, I don't think that... You know what?
This is like when I... This is like when I... This is like when I talk to my kids.
This is like when I explain to my toddlers various stories of the Bible.
So, you know, I'm trying to impart them the...
The lesson, I'm trying to impart them the wisdom that's coming through, but obviously it's not going to be direct.
And I'm teaching them that way because they're children, and I'm trying to bring them into a general sense of right and wrong, and teach them these basic concepts, teach them the basics of, you know, the Nativity, for example, teach them the basics of some of the things that occurred throughout the Gospels, etc.
But this is no way to talk to an adult, I'm sorry.
I will say, this is better than the Message translation of the Bible.
The Message is really bad.
The Message is really bad, and their version of the Lord's Prayer is... Yeah, the Message is used way too much in, like, New Church world.
And they'll just straight up change, they'll probably change the meaning more than the Hawaiian Pigeon one does.
The Hawaiian Pigeon has vocabulary limitations.
This is the message's version of the Lord's Prayer, Gospel of Matthew.
Our Father in Heaven, reveal who you are.
Set the world right.
Do what's best.
As above, so below.
That's not what it says!
Keep us alive with three square meals.
No!
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
No!
Keep us safe from ourselves and the devil.
No!
You're in charge.
You can do anything you want.
You're a blaze in beauty.
Yes.
Yes.
There was nothing about, forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors, or forgive us our trespassers.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others, but it just at this end, it's like God is down and needs a pep talk from people.
No.
You just, you can go get them God.
You can beat them.
You can, you can, we beat the bad guys.
Just throwing it up there folks.
I'm kind of, I'm kind of upset that one doesn't end on a loha.
Alright guys, we glanced over one other topic, didn't we?
That we were supposed to do?
A couple.
Do we want to hit it?
We're running out of time.
There was one really quick though that we had on the docket.
Oh, ebony alerts.
Really quick.
Oh, ebony alerts.
We have to do it.
We want to hit this last week.
We have to do it.
Ebony alerts, cue up the beeping again.
So, we all have amber alerts in, I think nationwide at this point, there are amber alerts.
Yes, Amber Alerts are missing child.
You can get an alert on your phone be on the lookout for this kid There's also been a silver alerts which are missing elderly people who might have dementia and have wandered off But California just came up with by far the most patronizing version of these possible Okay, that's a lie We'll get to that in a second.
California just debuted a new one called Ebony Alerts, which ebony, of course, is a dark-colored substance, and so it is a special form of amber alert that is only for black people, and there are just iterations of it where you can qualify for it if you are black, but you would not qualify for it otherwise.
So blacks get their own iPhone alerts?
Yes, they got their own iPhone alerts.
Why?
Let's see the official explanation for it was just there are they need it and apparently people just ignore amber alerts unless they're for The allegation was people ignore amber alerts unless they're like cute blonde white children and otherwise people just like smash their phone with a hammer or something and So that was the claim.
So they're going to avoid this by creating an entirely new system.
And it's sort of, but what I get about it being patronizing is, or condescending is, Amber Alerts are for children.
And the main change, as far as I can tell with Ebony Alerts, is just that if you're a black person, you qualify until you're the age of 25.
And so they're saying, if we're counting them as children, we need to extend the range at which they're counted as children.
And that is, I guess, the top priority of the state of California.
So here's my question.
So when I, when I get an ebony, got an ebony alert.
Ebony?
Ebony.
No, when I get an amber alert, it goes like, eh, eh, eh.
When I get an ebony alert, do I get a chirp?
You're gonna have to find out yourself.
I disable all the feeds.
Charlie, that's the new app.
That's the new app from ThoughtCrime.
So, the ThoughtCrime app, we should set up a new app for not just the shows, but when something comes out that's a ThoughtCrime, we can push a notification to everybody, like a ThoughtCrime alert, and the sound would be... You're not... You're not going to believe me, but there's a fourth alert that they already have in California.
What is that?
It is for American Indians, and it is called a Feather Alert.
No, you're kidding.
I am not making that up.
I thought it was a lie when I read it too.
Wait, so we can't call the team the Redskins, but we can have Feather Alerts?
Feather Alerts.
Feather Alerts for missing American Indians.
Who came up with that?
Not me.
Well, I mean, that's like, that's like if you were, that's, that's like a 4chan thing that they tried to, that sounds like something that 4chan would do to like try to troll people into thinking was actually real to see if they could get like some stupid journalist to actually repeat it like they did with the okay symbol.
Um, or like to get some stupid politician to actually repeat it, but one that actually went a little bit too far and ended up actually Going into, like, the actual parlance.
I mean, that's just like... It sounds like a parody.
Speaking of... What would you even do?
Speaking of going too far, this is the actual wording, state of California website, california.gov.
In order for a feather alert to be activated, a law enforcement agency must determine that the following criteria have been met.
Number one, the missing person is an indigenous woman or indigenous person.
Okay.
Indigenous woman.
So how many categories?
So we have amber, ebony, feather, silver for old people.
Oh, there's an older one?
Yeah, so silver alerts, and that's like dementia person wandered away.
Have you ever received a silver alert?
I disable all of these on my phone.
Do you really?
I believe in ruthless Darwinian selection, and so if people go missing, that's uh... Don't bother my phone!
Exactly.
I'm just...
Uh, I'm getting a, I just got a Bud Light alert in my ear.
For me.
All right.
Closing thoughts, Jack, Tyler had to run.
Yeah, no, look, when it, when it comes down to it, um, I think that when it comes to a lot of these issues, any of the stuff that we've talked about, we shouldn't always just argue about it as if it's in a vacuum.
These things are actually happening to us, to conservatives.
to white Christian males in the country at this very moment, not just the United States, but all across the West.
So any conversation that we start having about how should we fight back should be about how do we win and how do we crush the people that are literally trying to put us behind bars and in some cases have us killed.
So if you're not talking about that first, you talk about something else, I think you're just out of the conversation.
Blake, final thoughts?
I bet we could get conservatives to support phone alerts for missing college football players called pigskin alerts.
*whistling* Bud Light Blake strikes again.
Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
Watch our program tomorrow at 12 Eastern.
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Until then, keep on committing thought crimes.
And to cue us out, Ebony and Ivory by Paul McCartney.
