Sept. 11, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 558: 9/11 AND OPERATION ABLE DANGER
On today’s must see, 9/11 memorial edition of Human Events, Jack Posobiec is joined by David Zere LIVE on the ground in lower Manhattan for a can’t miss analysis from New York City. Poso is also joined by Tony Shaffer for a deep dive into Operation Able Danger and the. Connection between 9/11 and Robert Mueller. Poso also breaks down the latest out of Pennsylvania and the state-wide manhunt for escaped murderer Danelo Cavalcante. Jack and Natalie Winters engage in an elevated conversation abo...
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In a CNN poll this week, nearly 7 in 10 Democrats said the party should nominate, quote, a different candidate than Joe Biden.
And it was the biggest concern among 49% of all Democrats.
The biggest concern was Biden's age.
Musk effectively sabotaged a military operation by Ukraine.
Should there be repercussions for that?
Starlink has been a vital tool for the Ukrainians to be able to communicate with each other.
What we would hope and expect is that that technology will remain fully available to the Ukrainians.
It is vital to what they're doing.
When he understood that a little, a big part of society supports Prigozhin.
What he did.
He killed him.
We're going to have boosters available shortly, within a week or two.
Fightings continue during the manhunt for an escaped murderer in Pennsylvania.
Like a doorbell camera that caught a glimpse of Danilo Cavalcante nowhere near the search site.
He escaped 11 days ago by scaling up two walls like Spider-Man.
The initial search centered around a botanical garden in Chester County.
And I had the privilege of telling Mr. Smith that I would pardon him.
And we did that on Friday.
We righted a wrong.
He should have never been prosecuted here.
This was a dad standing up for his daughter.
No one who lived through the horror of the September 11th terrorist attacks can ever forget the agony and the anguish of that terrible day.
It was a terrible day.
Today, on the solemn anniversary of those monstrous attacks, we remember the 2,977 precious souls who were savagely taken from us on that morning 22 years ago, leaving a void that can never be filled.
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Today is 11 September 2023.
Anno Domini.
Going now live to Real America's Voice correspondent David Zier, who comes to us live from the streets of Lower Manhattan.
David, how are you today?
I'm great.
We're in front of Trinity Church here.
George Washington visited here and went to church here.
1766 it was built, I believe, and it was a respite for 3,000 first responders and National Guardsmen in the months following the cleanup.
Wasn't damaged.
Pretty miraculous here.
Only a few broken windows.
I always say that Trinity Church was the only church there, the only building down there that wasn't damaged because it was built before we had union labor.
But, uh, in all seriousness, David... Well, they called it the Little Church That Stood.
The Little Church That Stood.
No, it was protected by God, and we all know that.
David, when that event happened, when 9-11 happened so many years ago, 22 years today, did we ever really think that that would be the last successful, and I mean truly successful, mass terrorist attack in New York City?
I believe that we were blindsided, maybe intelligence failures, but I think they were stringing along a lot of chatter, a lot of things the FBI knew.
There were pilots in training in the U.S.
but had no specific credible threats, you know, as far as I've ever seen or can tell, unless it's classified.
But, you know, they arrested Zacarias Moussaoui.
But the walls that were put up in 95 between the CIA and the FBI and the FBI wouldn't let us look at his laptop, you know, and, you know, listen, when you look back at it today and the violations of the Patriot Act against J6ers and other good Americans, you know, maybe it was the right call.
I don't know.
But we would have uncovered 9-11, you know, and after 9-11, we went back and got his laptop with a warrant.
I think it was a time where we were unprepared.
You know, Bill Clinton had a chance after the Kenyan and Tanzania bombings that left 200 dead, 8,000 wounded in Africa.
Bill Clinton admitted in a Long Island luncheon about 20 years ago that we had a chance to take in bin Laden.
And he said no, or his administration and the FBI said no, because they wanted to treat it as a criminal case and not a terrorist case.
and there was disagreement on how to take him in.
But, you know, there were a lot of attacks before 9-11, the USS Cole, we had Khobar Towers, we had all these incredible events, and as I said earlier on The War Room, You know, in Jersey, in Jersey City, there was a $32 million ATF sting with Muslim extremists out of the Al-Salam Mosque in Jersey to buy stinger missiles and other stuff.
Radical terror has infested New York since the Al-Faruq Mosque was recruiting Majah Adin, which the CIA funded and the U.S. backed at the time.
But the lines got skewed.
And the Al-Faruq Mosque in Brooklyn was also home to Al-Khufa.
And it was a stomping ground for El-Sayed Nasser, who shot Mayor Kahana, a former Knesset member who the Palestinians weren't fond of.
And that's really what started this whole thing.
And the first plot was to break him out of Attica prison after he was convicted on the gun charge.
That's exactly right.
We're coming up on a break.
I want to say thank you for for your life hit.
Thank you for your work today up at the on the war room and then joining us here now from live at World Trade Center.
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I want to bring on now Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaffer, someone that I've got to know over the years here in Washington, D.C., someone who's always been willing to tell the truth about what's going on inside of our government, even when it comes to great personal cost.
And while people know Lieutenant Colonel Schaffer for coming on here and he he does great analysis of what's going on in the world, he gives us analysis on Ukraine, on the fight on the ground.
A lot of people don't know actually the backstory of Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer and the first time he blew the whistle on something called Able Danger that the Defense Intelligence Agency was working on but didn't want people to know that they were working on.
Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer now joins us today.
Tony, how you doing?
Hey, Jack, always great to join you, and thanks for that description of what we were doing before 9-11.
I can walk through that if you'd like.
I'd like to very much because I was sort of doing a little internal polling to say, do you guys know about Tony Schafer and Abel Danger?
Tony Schafer, Abel Danger said, Tony, I mean, he's, you know, the Intel guy who comes on, he talks about Ukraine, etc.
They said, but what's Abel Danger?
And then I said, all right, we're getting them on.
We have to tell the story again, because it's been it's been a little dormant.
It's now time to bring it all the way back.
And I said, get the man on you so graciously gave us your time today.
Tell us what was Abel Danger?
Before 9-11, as David just said, on the run up to this, there was the Tasmania bombing and Kenya bombing.
And Special Operations Command was tasked by General Hugh Shelton, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, to do something, to be prepared.
Able Danger, Jack, is one of those operations that you see in the movies.
It was a black operation.
Nobody knew about it.
You had a bunch of folks who were thrown together to figure things out.
And I would argue, looking back on it, that's why we didn't get affected by the 9-11 attacks, and that nobody knew we existed.
Those other intelligence organizations, such as FBI and CIA, I think they were involved somehow in either allowing the 9-11 hijackers to come in, At least two of the hijackers were escorted by Anwar al-Awlaki, an FBI asset, around the country.
So the thing is though, and this is why- So you're doing this on the military side, but when you went over to the FBI side, you encountered what we all later famously heard was called this firewall.
So you guys are tracking these known terrorists, known terrorist associates, Right, so to that point, Jack, the lawyers actually told us we couldn't look at the 9-11 hijackers because they were quote-unquote here illegally.
Now think about that.
Navy lawyers, no offense to the Navy, Jack, told us these guys are here illegally.
This is in 1999.
This is a full Two years before 9-11.
Don't look there, nothing to see.
And then when we tried then, because we couldn't look at it to pass it to the FBI, the lawyers again interceded.
Jamie Gorelick and the Wall Memo.
So even though we had clear information that on two of the five cells, we the military had two of the five cells identified by personnel, We couldn't do anything with that because lawyers said, don't look at it.
So then the next best thing is to give it to the FBI who could do something with it.
And we were stopped every step of the way.
And this is why Louis Freed wrote an article, an editorial on the 17th of November, 2005.
And his question was, why did the 9-11 Commission ignore Abel Danger?
And in this article, Louis Freed said, had that information been passed to him, this is the director of the FBI at that time.
He felt he could have stopped 9-11.
So that's how significant this is, and I think why they went after all of us in 2005 to stop us from talking about this publicly as part of our whistleblowing to Congressman Kurt Weldon and the House Armed Services Committee back in 2004 and 2005.
Now, I want to just put a capstone on this before we talk about the sort of retaliatory efforts that you're describing here.
So, you're saying that essentially the military, and give us those numbers again, how many members of the hijacking cell were identified on these charts?
We used, for the first time ever, data mining as an intelligence tool.
That had never been done before.
Of that data mining, the three terabytes of data we got from multiple sources, used the profile of the 94 World Trade Center bombers as our kind of reference point, an algorithm based on them to find guys who look like those guys.
That's what we found.
We found approximately six of the 19 bombers.
They were distributed through two of the three cells.
We didn't get them all, but we got enough.
And Jack, if we had gotten two of the cells, I think getting two of the cells would have led to the third.
At least that's my belief.
But again, it's not me saying that the information was important to stop 9-11 had it been used properly.
Louis Freeh said that.
And I think that's the thing that people tend to forget at this point, is that we did have this pre-9-11 offensive Special operations capability that was not used.
And that's the question of why wasn't it?
Why didn't we use lethal force once these guys were identified as with direct links to Al Qaeda leadership, which they were completely pinned down and linked to bin Laden in early 2000 and 2001, January 2001.
Hugh Shelton was briefed on this at the Pentagon and nothing happened after that.
And that's the mystery.
Why didn't anything happen after this was ready to go, ready to roll to stop al Qaeda in January of 2001?
It was put on the shelf.
We were disbanded and told to not talk about it.
And that's one of the things still not resolved.
So it gets put on the shelf.
Now, you mentioned this to Louis Freeh, and I know that you also, at one point, even after all of this took place, obviously the attacks take place, you end up going downrange, you're doing other things, but when the commission stood up, You actually came forward and spoke to the head of the commission.
Tell me, what did the 9-11 commission do with this?
Because I've read that report.
We've all seen copies of it.
I don't remember seeing a single page about this.
Right.
Well, one of the reasons it's not in here is that I put a chapter in Operation Dark Heart, which is my time in Afghanistan.
Jack, the reason they went after this book with all the redactions that are in it I believe was because of the meeting with Phil Zelikow in October of 2003 at Bagram.
We sat down and we were asked to give our recollections to the 9-11 Commission members.
The staff was there, Zelikow being the staff director.
And I told them in no uncertain terms about what Able Danger was, what its objectives were, what we were able to accomplish, and how we did it.
About a two-page summary.
And Zilliqal was flabbergasted, was stunned.
Said that they wanted to get more information on this and asked me to meet with them in Washington when I got back after my undercover tour in Afghanistan.
And of course, next thing I know, I'm back in the United States, January 2004, and instead of wanting to see me, Jack, The 9-11 Commission said, oh, we don't want to see you now.
We got all we need.
And next thing you know, I'm under investigation, suspended, and the rest is history.
Essentially, when I became a whistleblower, they were in the process of trying to fire me and get rid of me, I believe, to shut me up.
And obviously, that didn't happen because our mutual friend and someone you work for, Congressman Kurt Weldon, got wind of this when I was attached to the Navy in 2005, when the Navy was trying to rebuild, God bless them, via their internal think tank, via Deep Blue, their internal Pentagon think tank, they were trying to rebuild this.
And I, an army guy, was sent over to the hill, to Capitol Hill, to ask for money on behalf of the Navy to rebuild the able danger capability.
And that's how Kurt Weldon came into helping out on getting this out to the American public. - Let's get into Kurt Weldon, 'cause I wanna hold you after the break into the next segment. - Sure. - But when we, When we look at this, I remember Janet Reno getting up there and George Tenet, oh it was a firewall, we weren't allowed to share the information.
That never made any sense to me, and I say this as someone who read this report when I was still a civilian.
I've now been through the intel community.
I spent eight years in the IC, and I remember the information is always available.
It's just that the agencies on one level don't like sharing work product, but at the higher level, they all talk.
They're all talking on a regular basis, and they always have been.
And so if there's something going on, they do know about it.
We know the 28 pages were out there.
We know that these guys came in with ties to Saudi intelligence, and that these, those same Saudi intel tied hijackers also rented a apartment, rent an apartment building, or house in an apartment building, From an FBI informant.
All of this information goes into the 28 pages directly implicating elements of the Wahhabist sect of the Saudis with these attacks, with these killings that took place on 9-11.
The fact that this was a radical Muslim attack.
Those pages were censored, were classified for years until they were very, very recently released.
This has led to lawsuits and else.
Stay tuned, folks.
We're going to come back right after the break.
Tony Schafer, Lieutenant Colonel who worked on Operation Able Danger.
And we're going to tell you a little bit about how a certain FBI director named Robert Mueller retaliated against people who brought forward this story.
You talk about influences.
These are influences.
And they're friends of mine.
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I want to turn back now to Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.
Tony, you were walking us through and you mentioned something about former Congressman Kurt Weldon.
And yeah, this is something that I don't usually talk get to get a chance or have a chance to talk about often on the show.
But one of my very first forays into anything political was an internship for a somewhat local congressman.
I wasn't in his district, but I was in the district right next to his district.
And I went out and interned as a college Republican at Temple University.
For credit, right?
On the congressional re-election campaign of a guy by the name of Congressman Kurt Weldon all the way back in 2006.
And little did I know that you had a direct connection to Congressman Kurt Weldon as well.
But neither of us knew what would happen at the end of that campaign.
Tell us, what was Kurt Weldon doing that brought the two of you together?
Well, you saw the downstream effects of the upstream work that he was doing to help finance advanced technology.
Kurt Weldon funded, in 1999-2000, via the House Armed Services Committee, the initial work on AbleDanger, the data mining, the use of data mining as targeting.
Hugely controversial, and Jack, back then, nobody knew if it would work.
Now, data mining is used for everything, but we were the first to do that.
Fast forward to 2005, the Navy, Captain Scott Philpott, my colleague in Able Danger, sent me to Capitol Hill to meet with Kurt Weldon to ask for more money to say, hey, we want to put the band back together.
Kurt made the mistake of asking, what happened to the money we gave you back in 99 and 2000?
It's like, oh, well, I told him all about everything.
And his question to me, Jack, was, well, why didn't you tell this to the 9-11 Commission?
I said, I did.
I told Phil Zelikow while I was at Bobroom.
And I said, I always figured there was a classified annex to the report.
Kurt looks me in the eye and says, Tony, there's no classified annex.
And my stomach just dropped.
I knew that something was very wrong.
So did Kurt.
So Kurt then opened the Abel Danger investigation.
It's on the internet.
He did a special order, read it into the congressional record.
If you go to my website, to any of my social media today, Facebook or Twitter, Kurt's actual statements on the floor of Congress are on my pages.
You can watch those for yourself.
And Kurt then, by taking on what I would consider this to be the first engagement of the deep state, Kurt was taking on CIA and the FBI, and frankly, DIA, against them to get this information out and what they failed to do.
That is, the intelligence community, the FBI, the fact that he was pointing out what they failed to do got him in trouble.
And it resulted in the FBI right before his reelection in 2006, his daughter being raided.
Jack, you were there.
You saw it yourself.
The entire campaign was there, man.
And targeted and raided by the FBI just before November of 2006.
And the result was...
See, people think that, by the way, you know, people think that Russiagate it was the first time that POSO was investigated by Robert Mueller.
No, no, no, no, no, no!
That was just the first time in a long while that I was investigated by Robert Mueller.
No, my very first crush up with Robert Mueller, who was the director.
He became director right before, one week before 9-11, Robert Mueller becomes director.
He orders this raid on Kurt Weldon, something like a couple of weeks before, I think it was one month before the election, destroys his chances, right?
It was a tight election, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, completely destroys his chances.
By the way, and you remember, this is what everybody forgets.
Nobody was charged.
Nothing came of it.
Of course!
Nothing was ever found.
No, it was held over his head for years.
No.
But do you remember?
Do you remember what the investigation was about?
What they actually claimed that Kurt Weldon was doing back then?
You know, I actually don't Jack.
So the actual the claim was collusion with Russia.
The claim was that he was colluding with Russia that is that his daughter was colluding and taking false contracts and all this other stuff.
No, it was over.
It was over collusion with Russia.
And this is 2006.
So a full Decade before an exact decade before the events of 2016.
And who do we have again, conducting a Russia investigation?
Oh, right.
It's the same guy, Robert Mueller, the same guy who fought to make sure that the 28 pages and the information regarding the FBI informant were kept locked up by at first Bush, then Obama for all those years to make sure it didn't come out that the FBI actually did have information the same way we've heard about all these reports of, you know, them getting the doing the flight training and they weren't practicing landing, et cetera, et cetera.
So it was Robert Mueller back then who retaliated against.
So I've kind of always had this view even since that election that this is what the three letter agencies can do if you run afoul of them.
No doubt.
And I think that's what Kurt decided to do.
And again, for people who recall, when I testified, I testified in uniform.
The Pentagon, for the most part, except for a few exceptions, understood what I was doing.
Uh, General Schwartz, Marty Schwartz, was the inbound chairman of the Joint Chiefs at one point.
I can tell you that the uniformed members of the military supported me through my whistleblowing.
It was people like Steve Cambone.
It was the civilian leadership combined with, uh, FBI, CIA, and DIA, who all were essentially all about trying to prevent the disclosure of anything relating to mistakes made.
And I think it's a combination of a couple things, Jack.
I think the folks made mistakes.
I think, looking back on it now, FBI and CIA somehow believed allowing these folks to be in the United States was okay.
And for any number of reasons, things got out of control.
Information was not shared.
And the loss of life, the massive loss of life, which happened from their incompetence or inefficiency, whatever you want to call it, is something they did not want to be held accountable for.
Kurt chose to try to hold them accountable.
He still does.
He still is.
And I think we are owed answers and a fresh investigation of those who participated And failure regarding the 9-11 attacks.
No one has ever been held accountable to this day.
Well, I think it's incredible that Kurt, and you sent me, he just posted something on social media last night talking about AbleDanger, talking about Louie Free, talking about the fact that this information was out there, the entire government knew about it, and here's the thing that we really need to get to the bottom of.
And I think that people have been able to piece together, and I'll just ask your sort of assessment on why it was that there was such a stop-off.
Look, I'm going to say it.
I think that the Bush family was very close to the Saudis.
I think there were a lot of political and financial reasons that they wanted to keep this power agreement separate and keep it private from the American people.
We know the Saudis were allowed to fly out of the United States when every other flight in the country was grounded by the FAA.
And also it's because, look, the the House of Saud, they were able, remember they had only been in power for what 60, 70 years at this point.
They joined up with a radical sect of Wahhabists.
That's how they maintained power in Saudi Arabia when they first came into control of the kingdom.
They've always had this sort of footsie relationship with these these elements all the way from that time.
You look at what happened in the 1980s, what were they doing with these guys?
Oh, we'll send them over to Afghanistan.
They can fight the godless communists over there, which this became the Mujahideen.
Later, the CIA gets involved in the same thing, and we go around and around and around.
And I think that's what they were trying to prevent everybody from knowing, the fact that these guys, in the same way that Robert Mueller protected Whitey Bulger up in Boston for all those years, That they had a criminal that they were working with, they had terrorists that we were working with, that we turned a blind eye to their operations because they were working with us or had worked with us in the past.
Right.
Jack, they did the same thing with the IRA and Ireland.
I was talking to FBI agents back before the Northern Ireland Peace Plan.
They would allow IRA terrorists to wander around Old Town Alexandria unmolested.
So look, the FBI has done this as a matter of policy for a number of years.
That's exactly right.
Where can people go to find more information if they want to?
Because I know we're just scratching the surface here.
For a lot of folks, they've never heard about this.
How can they get more info about this?
And where would you suggest they go?
Well, first off, just go to my social media, T Spooky on X. We can—Facebook, Anthony Schaeffer.
I've posted all this there.
There's a deeper dive on this when you see Kurt's posts and his special order.
He read all the information that they need to know into the congressional record.
The late Walter Jones read my career into the congressional record in September of 2011, so if anybody wants to know kind of the larger story, they can track down the summary of my career.
Jack, as we've talked about a number of times, pick up Operation Dark Heart.
It's a great read.
We go into great detail regarding Able Danger and why the 9-11 Commission was told and Uh all they didn't want to hear it and it all tried they tried to make it go away but here we are 22 years past the date.
I think it's time we get this out there into the light of day so we can see what really happened.
I think the American people are finally at a place where they realize that when they were told, and I remember it saying, don't listen to Tony Schafer, don't listen to this crazy guy.
We're telling you the truth.
No, he was telling us the truth all along.
Go listen to Tony Schafer.
We're now going to go to, in the next segment, a live situation that's taking place actually not far from where I grew up, an escaped illegal alien murderer.
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I want to talk about a story that is not getting a lot of play nationally, and it should, because it's a huge problem for Democrats, a huge problem for Joe Biden, a huge problem for Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro.
This is the escape of illegal alien murderer Daniello Cavalcante.
This guy 12 days ago escaped from Chester County Prison in southeastern Pennsylvania and has been making a mockery of the Pennsylvania State Police for that entire time frame.
This guy stabbed his girlfriend 38 times in the back, was not deported, was allowed to stay here in the United States under Joe Biden's policies, and is now currently at large in an area where I've got family that live, little children that live there.
This is an area Where it's generally considered safe.
You know, Sleepy Hamlets, Chester County, one of the nicest places to live in the entire country.
He's changed his appearance.
He is currently on the run.
He's stealing vans.
We have no clue where he is.
A press conference was just held regarding Daniel Cavalcante.
And so I want to go in to that from the Pennsylvania State Police.
Do we have that clip, guys?
The public can expect to see a significant law enforcement presence in the area of East Nat Mule Township, where the van was recovered, as well as other areas of northern Chester County.
There is no need for alarm when those resources are observed.
If a possible threat develops, we will use the reverse 911 system to notify affected residents.
Do you have evidence that someone has tried to help him?
Or is that why you've arrested the sister?
The sister is in overstay, and she chose not to assist.
And because of being in an overstay status, she has been entered into a deportation proceeding and is being detained at this time.
Let's have a face on the timeline here to make sure that we're correct.
So he shows up at these homes 10.30, you think, Saturday night, but yet people in the neighborhood say police weren't making checks until, well, like, 2 o'clock in the morning.
Is there any kind of delay here for people - The church tells us that people you start looking for on the church for 3:00 AM. - We weren't notified until well after midnight of the sightings.
- So two hours after he stood up at this house and had a conversation with him? - At least two hours.
We don't have a defined search area at this point.
We are considering and certainly acting on and investigating any piece of information or tip that we receive.
And so we follow those pieces of information with our investigation, as we have done right from the very start, you know, regardless of where they are.
You know, there are areas that I described, for example, in East Nant Mill Township, for example, that is not a limiter at all for everything else that we're doing.
Because I have no reason to believe that he is not.
I don't believe he has the resources to get out of Pennsylvania.
And again, other pieces of information that we have generated within this investigation lead me to believe that he is still here.
They have no clue where he is.
They have no idea whatsoever where this guy is.
He's making a mockery of our state.
He's making a mockery of our country.
He shouldn't be here.
He murdered someone in Brazil, by the way, shot him.
Then he comes to the United States.
He's allowed to get in here because of our lax border policies.
Then even after he kills again, even after he kills again here within our borders, Our country, thanks to Joe Biden, doesn't deport him.
I want to bring on, I'm a little bit hot right now, I want to bring on Natalie Winters.
Natalie, why do we suck so much?
Why is our country allowed these things to happen?
Why do we have people like this who are allowed to run amok?
Who knows who he's going to kill next because he wants to get their car, because he wants to get their belongings.
By the way, and we can show the clip here, Pennsylvanians have now gotten Wind of this, you got people driving around in Jeeps with AK-47s and AR-15s because they know there's a $20,000, now $25,000 reward for this guy.
Natalie, how quickly are we descending into Mad Max?
No, you're right to be upset.
And frankly, I don't think there's any issue that the American people are so strongly and offensively gaslit by our elites on other than immigration.
And of course, not just talking about the wage depression, the national security threats, the really ramifications that we experience economically day to day, but it's stories like these, and of course the mainstream media's refusal to report on them, or if they do, they always admit the fact that the person perpetrating the crime, costing taxpayers an arm and a leg to conduct these search and rescue operations or even prison sentences had costing taxpayers an arm and a leg to conduct these search and rescue operations or even prison sentences had he not escaped, they always admit the fact that it's
But I really think this issue of immigration- That's exactly right.
No one is talking about the fact that this guy is an illegal alien.
You and I are talking about it.
The View talked about this.
A couple of CNN talked about it.
No one else is talking about the fact that this guy is an illegal.
No one.
That's a huge problem for the Democrats.
And it's because it doesn't fit the narrative.
I think the story that we're spun about immigration, both legal and illegal, is that it is only a net good for the country, right?
We have a declining birthrate, so we need people to make up for that.
That narrative has been debunked.
We need immigrants because diversity is our strength.
That narrative is very easily debunked.
But when it comes down to it, of course, the multinational corporations just want cheap labor, but they have to spin it to the American people.
And it's stories like these, Jack, I think why they refuse to ever cover the immigrant angle to it, because it's so detrimental.
It's so damning.
to this narrative that immigration is our strength here in the United States.
It really humanizes the issue.
And it really proves that every town is a border town, not just when you have a wide open southern border, but when you have extremely lax immigration policies, at least on the enforcement side.
Joe Biden should have deported this man.
That press conference shouldn't have even been held.
Go back to square one.
This man shouldn't have even been.
And that prisoner had the opportunity to kill this woman because he should not have been residing here in the United States.
But there are ramifications and we don't enforce immigration laws.
And while it's easy to focus on On the macro level, I think if you really go case by case on the micro level, it really is outstanding.
Not just the taxpayer burden, but just the quality of life burden, the financial burden, the ability to go outside and take your kids on a walk and not be concerned that some crazy, deranged, repeat murderer is going to attack you or hold you hostage.
Videos that you're showing me right now, I mean, that doesn't look like America.
Yeah, the scenery behind them is beautiful, but that's not the America that I grew up in, that you know when we think about what this country means.
People running around with guns in their backseat trying to find escaped illegal convicts because our law enforcement is either incompetent, incapable, or they don't have the resources to do so.
It's absolutely ridiculous, and I feel bad for the law enforcement officials who are tasked with dealing with this case, Jack, because we see it all the time from the Border Patrol agents, too.
You hear them speak out.
Their hands are tied, not only because if they talk about the illegal immigrant aspect to what's going on, they'll be mocked and ridiculed, demeaned, probably defamed by the mainstream media as being racist, But it really is just a mess of epic proportions and it's so many competing factors exacerbated by Joe Biden's inability to enforce the rules on the books.
So now that he's saying they're not sending their best, they're sending people with a lot of problems, they're bringing problems to us, they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists.
Some, I assume, are good people, right?
The initial speech, the very first political speech that Donald Trump gave when he announced for president, and we're still talking about this stuff.
How sad is it that what is eight years since that speech and we still are dealing with the exact same situation that he told us about?
This guy, they upped it to five, another five grand.
By the way, personally, I think if he got picked up, so they said he had a van, right?
This guy, Cavalcante.
They say he stole a van, right?
He stole a van right when they were looking at Longwood Gardens, by the way, which is a beautiful botanical garden outside of Philadelphia.
Everyone should visit there.
Not right now, obviously.
I used to go there with my grandmother.
It's beautiful.
It's gorgeous.
He stole a milk van, basically, and was driving around in it, shaved, goes on ring camera, but then they found the van in a field somewhere.
So what I think happened, most likely, is that this guy It's possible that he met somebody near that field.
No cameras around, no cell phones, etc.
Meet somebody.
No, you know, no, no witnesses gets in a car.
He could be long gone at this point.
That's why they've upped the reward right now.
That's why they're putting another five grand on that because the police have no clue where this guy is.
We've got illegal alien murderers running around our country, but they've already said he's tied to gangs.
They've already said this dude's tied to gangs.
It's completely insane.
We're taking a break, but when we come back, I want to talk a little bit about this idea That you just mentioned there that this isn't the country that we used to have.
It's not the country that certainly you and your generation, Natalie, were promised.
What is the country today?
Is the country that we grew up in no longer the United States of America?
Does it still exist?
Is it still out there?
Do we have the ability to bring it back?
Or, as I said on Friday, is it going to be on our shoulders, up to us, I'm always listening to Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
All right, Jack Posobiec back here, Washington, D.C.
And we're talking with Natalie Winters about this concept.
You know, we've got illegal alien murderers running around.
You have to take your shoes off if you want to go on an airplane.
You have no dignity.
You're treated like a piece of meat.
We don't have you just want to travel around your country, as Raheem Kassam said today in the National Polls.
Natalie, when you see, you know, videos or those montages of like the 90s and how things were the 80s and how things were, does that seem like the country that you've grown up in?
Does that seem like the country you live in?
And I have to say, I always love doing your show because usually people just invite me on to talk about the Chinese Communist Party and rattle off statistics and scary facts.
So I always enjoy the ability to talk about my opinions.
But given that, you know, I was born, I guess I'm going to age myself, but in 2001, just a little bit before
9-11, so I don't really have any, you know, memories of 9-11 per se, and when I think back to the 90s, the 80s, it's just what I've seen through social media, through what I've heard from my friends and my parents, so I have a weird, you know, I think maybe glamorized sort of viewpoint, a reference on what those times were like, but nonetheless, I would happily go back to them than what we're experiencing now for a plethora of reasons, not just politically.
But what to me I think is so interesting and what I was really able, at least with the age that I am and the frame of references that I have, I was born in a time where I think the first half of my life It was still okay to love America, right?
9-11 was still, when it happened every year, when we commemorated it, it wasn't this toxic, loaded thing that if you said, never forget, you were being, you know, Islamophobic, you were being anti-Islam.
I grew up in California, so my, you know, cutoff for when things change may be a little different, but I noticed as I transitioned from, you know, middle school, more so to high school, That that was when it really became a loaded topic.
My high school stopped commemorating 9-11 and said they opted to commemorate Transgender Day of Remembrance, whatever the heck that is.
They would plaster the school in transgender flags, but not American flags.
Well, it's because of the transgenocide that's going on.
Well, of course.
You can go to Google, and Google will tell you all about the transgender genocide, but if you actually try to, you know, look up, like, facts and figures about it, It's not.
Oh, do I see?
Do you guys have are you guys going to throw the Pizza Hut ad on me?
Is that what you're doing?
Natalie, have you seen this, this Pizza Hut ad?
We're playing it on the on the B roll here, but this this used to run in the 1980s, the 1990s, and you just and it's not.
So I talk about Pizza Hut nationalism all the time, but you look and it's not about the pizza, right?
It's not even about necessarily the food.
It's about the sense of community that we had in regular Restaurants and all over the place in this sort of sense that everything was good, things were going to get better, we're going to be okay.
Right there, Pizza Hut, your home team, right?
And there are these, there was this this idea of nationalism that was, and not in a political sense, but just a sense of community that exuded through these ads.
Keep playing them, guys, keep playing them.
That I feel that we've completely lost since then.
Well, Jack, I think to some extent it is about the food as well and not even in a political sense.
But I do think when I was talking about the plethora of ways that we've seen just society and culture change, I think that's a perfect example and not just on the community front, but what we've really seen, I think, not just big agriculture, big food, but special interests and even very, very high net worth individuals, people, of course, but special interests and even very, very high net worth individuals, people, of course, like Bill Gates, really try to weaponize the food supply, the concept of food, the ability, you know, for example, pizza, to eat dairy, to eat meat, to make
Instead, you have these weird people representing nefarious interests, economic interests, not the health of the American citizen or American consumer making decisions about what we should eat.
And it really is crazy.
I'm obviously a huge seed oil skeptic in terms of these industrially refined oils, but we've seen the food supply just become so contaminated with stuff that is so toxic to your health, You know, it's the same stuff that they use to propel airplanes and make, you know, bombs go off.
But they put that in our bodies because those are the same special interests that are lobbying the USDA.
And I really do think that food is an interesting benchmark to see how far we've fallen because we've seen what is the normal traditional celebrated way of life, right?
Eating normal meals that contain butter and dairy and meat that have micronutrients that are essential for human health be supplanted and replaced By government subsidized and sanctioned and really forced, of course, in conjunction and in collusion with the Bill Gates types of the world and the NGOs to swap that traditional lifestyle out for foods that have only been invented in the last decade, these soil alternatives, the beyond meat.
And again, you can focus it out with just food, who cares?
But I really think that there's something more symbolic to that.
And I think that in today's version of America, There's really nothing more that is demonized than, you know, having dinner as a nuclear family when your dad gets home from work, eating a piece of steak, drinking a glass of milk.
You know, right there, I think we just rattled off like eight cardinal sins in Joe Biden's America.
But the difference is, Jack, I think they used to just disapprove of us doing that, but now I think the reason why the America that we live in is so unrecognizable is because they're no longer okay with just casting shade and trying to make it more difficult for you to be able to live the life you want, right?
Freedom of choice.
They are now actively pursuing to the tune of billions of dollars in government spending.
It's the whole censorship industrial complex.
a fully blown weaponization of the federal government to make sure that the type of lifestyle that they want you to have, that is, I'm sure, capped off by being, you know, plant based and not believing in the things we believe in, not having a nuclear family and having your kids be trans, gay, whatever you name it, not having a nuclear family and having your kids be trans, gay, whatever you name That's the difference.
They are now forcibly weaponizing the government to make sure that that is a reality.
I think that freedom, look no further than trying to walk through an airport, that freedom, that ability to choose has been drastically taken away from us.
You're exactly right, Natalie.
They've taken away our communities, they've taken away family dinners, the third spaces of America, places where we can just go and it's not school, it's not work, it's not home, but another place.
So the attacks on community, The attacks on neighborhoods, the attacks on trying to destroy suburbs by putting Section 8 housing in there, massive housing complexes everywhere full of government housing, which is a huge plan the Democrats have to destroy these communal bonds because they know if they can break up the nuclear family, they can destabilize the country once and for all.
Natalie Winters, God bless.
Always a pleasure having you on.
Thank you so much for having me.
Folks, go follow Natalie Winters and maybe we can help Natalie Winters and so many people like her who don't know what pre-911 America was like.
We can restore it.
It'll never be exactly the same, but when we create the new American Republic, we'll create it for everyone.
