Sept. 9, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 12 — Liberty UnSafe? Rainbow-Bama? Mind the Gap?
In this latest THOUGHTCRIME featuring Jack Posobiec, Charlie Kirk, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff, the crew explores crucial questions like:-How did Liberty Safe wreck its entire business model in one day?-Can the world's richest man defeat the tyranny of the ADL?-Is Obama America's first gay president? And if so, what does THAT mean?-How much do age gaps in relationships matter?THOUGHTCRIME streams LIVE exclusively on Rumble, every Thursday night at 8pm ETSupport the Show.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of ThoughtCrime with myself, Charlie Kirk, and the gang.
Today's topics, Liberty Unsafe, Elon versus the ADL, Barack Obama, gay?
And finally, the populism debate.
What do we stand for?
What are we for?
What are we against?
Ladies and gentlemen, we're about to commit ThoughtCrime.
From the age of Big Brother, If they want to get you, they'll get you.
DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
They're collecting your communications.
Okay, everybody, welcome.
What episode number is this?
Number 12, Charlie.
Are you kidding me?
Three whole months.
That's three more months than we should have gotten.
That's unbelievable.
Blake Neff is with us.
I have to say Blake Neff is the most... He is the fan favorite.
I've never seen a guest like Blake Neff.
Loved by the audience.
Tyler Boyer.
Also hated by the audience.
That was implied.
I am the most, as you say.
I am the most.
Just the most.
And then Jack Posobiec.
Jack, how we doing?
Charlie, we're doing great.
I would say, though, rapidly becoming the fan favorite is Tyler's mustache.
You know, we're only in September.
It is not No Shave November yet, but that thing is literally getting its own zip code.
I guess when we're all in the gulags, that thing is going to have a cell next to Tyler's.
It's going to need a cell by itself.
We're going full handlebars.
By September, he'll be the Kaiser, and by December, he'll be a Civil War general.
We should bring back Muttonchop.
Blake, you should grow some mutton chop.
Yeah, you should.
Okay, now we need to move on.
Alright.
Everyone in the comments, should Blake go Asian?
I mean, should he grow mutton chop?
No, he should go full Lennon.
Lennon?
What is Luigi doing here?
I thought that was Tyler, but I see Luigi's here.
I'll take the tall, skinny one.
That's fine.
So we have several topics.
We do want to add in the NFL topic, which I think is interesting because in just a couple minutes, Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs are going to kick off against the Lions.
I'll be fully transparent.
I said this on the radio show today.
I have a tension with this.
I struggle because I love football and I hate the NFL.
And so it's like a constant wrestling match.
Listen, the most important guy on the Chiefs is Harrison Butker, who has been to our office.
He's amazing.
No, he's awesome.
Has he really?
Yeah, he's been here.
He's a super winger.
Great dude.
Great dude.
He was hurt last year for a little bit.
Anyway, we'll talk about the NFL, but most importantly, Oh, we start with Liberty Unsafe?
I thought we were doing Obama Gay Cokehead.
Soon enough, soon enough.
But for now, it's Liberty Safe.
I wanted to get right to it.
Jack, it seems as if if a company, an organization, dares to activate the Pesobic Kirk Matrix, it doesn't go well.
It's you could add.
I mean, we have like a list of things that target, you know, it's the Grim Reaper meme.
Yeah, exactly.
New Hampshire is that if you activate because we have another group chat that they don't even know about.
Right, Jack, it's kind of like our boycott chat.
We don't.
Yeah, exactly.
Jack always denies it.
And all of a sudden, it's like we want... Jack, we have created this kind of thought crime sword of Damocles.
You could fall at any moment.
I don't think it was on Liberty Safe's bingo card that they would get boycotted.
Jack, what's going on with Liberty Safe?
Go through all the facts for the uninitiated in our audience.
Right, so I'll throw something out, just an interesting observation based on what you said before I go through the recap.
But the interesting observation is, remember, from Liberty Safe's perspective, Somebody at the company, probably not even the CEO, answered a phone call from the FBI, was asked to provide a passcode, they followed their protocol, provided the passcode, and they went on with the rest of their day.
They had no idea what was going on.
They had no idea that the Kirk Poso Sword of Damocles was about to fall down on them because they didn't even pay attention.
They actually said in their statement, right, in the statement, okay, Now I'll go back.
So they provided a passcode to the FBI for a January 6th defendant, where they allude to possibly have being served with a warrant, though there's no actual information as to whether or not the safe was included in the warrant.
It just says they were called and that they have a policy regarding warrants, but it doesn't actually say.
To do whatever the feds want.
That's their policy.
It's unbelievable.
It doesn't actually say that there's any specific mention of the gun safe in, so the Liberty Safe, they're gun safes that have marketed towards conservatives, Second Amendment activists, for a very, very long time.
Are you going to play the thing now?
Oh, you just don't want to play it?
Okay.
So in the, in the statement, they also mentioned, we didn't have all the facts of the investigation, which is like, okay, so you said you were contacted by the feds and you didn't even think to push back or ask any basic questions as to what was going on.
You immediately gave over the passcode to the safe, which is essentially a manufacturer's code that has access to everyone's gun safe.
Uh, this is something that would go in for electronic, obviously, not mechanical locks.
So, every gun safe that Liberty Safe owns, essentially, this means they can be opened with a phone call.
So, if you have a phone call and you repeat the magical incantation, you say the right things over the phone, and I got into it with people on Twitter today, them saying, oh, that would never happen to me.
I would never do that.
I said, okay, what if you call up and I've got all the information about your safe, And I'm not you, and I asked them to give me the code, and I'm, you know, I'm some teenager, and I know Mom and Dad, where Mom and Dad keep the receipts.
Boom!
Now I got all your guns.
How about that?
Is that safety?
So, this is January, this is Jan 6-er, and then... Yes, Nathan Hughes.
Nathan Hughes.
Are we going to play the footage?
Because I know, I know... You know, I think we're going to play the B-roll.
It's incredible.
There's two pieces of footage.
There's this footage of the cars, I think, at his home, and then this one with the Fed Boys.
who it seems at a strip mall that they found him, right, Jack?
Is that correct?
So there's two things.
So they arrested him and they hit the house at the same time.
So this is two separate things we're talking about.
Obviously, the gun safe is not at the strip mall.
So they arrested him, which, by the way, not a pre-dawn raid.
So I guess we've got to give the FBI a little bit of credit here because they did conduct a pre-dawn raid in Utah against this 300-pound, 75-year-old man who was posting Biden.
They didn't make it They didn't make him abandon his baby inside the house while they, like, frog-marched, you know, everyone out.
It really is something.
I'll give them credit for that.
I mean, they didn't give him the David Koresh treatment on this one.
You know, they actually picked him up in what I would seem, it seems to me, at least in a very safe manner.
there on the street, even though they rolled in like, I mean, look at the way they're tactically just for the podcast audience.
Who do you think you are?
They're rolling in like that.
He's Osama bin Laden, flak jackets and M4s with lasers and scopes on them.
Like, it's just like some guy at a CVS.
No, it's a show of strength intentionally is what it is.
We're in charge and you are not.
Blake, you have some thoughts.
We have to emphasize why this really stands out.
Because yeah, they did get a warrant.
So if a warrant goes through all the way, you do generally have to comply with it.
But the reason this stands out is, what's a prominent liberal company out there?
Apple.
Apple Computers.
Yes.
And they've been battling for years with the FBI over what they, you know, when they get warrants, they say, we don't need to go along with all of these warrants.
You know, we believe our phones should be secure for the people who buy them and we're going to push back on these unless they're very legitimate.
So they've been fighting for years over, uh, you know, the government wants them to build a back door into all of their phones so that the federal government can basically just pop it open, take everyone's stuff off.
Like they had with WhatsApp.
Yeah, and Apple's been suing over this, you know, to not have to do this for years and years.
And then, Apple's not a conservative company.
They don't pander to conservatives at all.
A lot of us have, you know, a lot of issues with Apple.
And yet they still have this kind of old 90s liberal defiance of authority that is plain, you know, to the public's advantage in this case.
Whereas this company that spent years catering supposedly to conservatives just folds like a house of cards.
But at the same time, I think I am a little more sympathetic than a lot of people here in that I don't think I see like a big anti-conservative agenda.
I think this is a case where a company, possibly even a low-level person at the company, didn't really understand how norms and expectations on the right have evolved so that we are more suspicious of government investigations like this.
Yeah, but when a company's run and owned by people who don't care in the same way that... Well, that's the point, is that they were purchased.
They were purchased, you know... So, yeah, you want to go through that?
Yeah, I mean, it's not a ton of investigative work here that we did, but we'll take credit for it.
Just going to FEC.gov.
And this is what I always do whenever I see something happen.
I'm like, well, is there maybe?
And I agree, but I don't think it's probably necessarily something where it's like they were written in policy.
They're like, the next time the FBI shows up, we're going to hand everything over.
But if you don't have people at the top Who answer these questions rapidly and are not people who actually care about the customer base, which I don't think the gentleman who runs this company now, that runs this investment firm, really actually cares about conservatives, because we know that, because his partners and he collectively have spent over $400,000 the last 10 cycles on Democrats.
This is this is what you get.
And so there's a lesson in here, which is, hey, if you're a conservative, you built a company that you want to be proud of.
You want to see continue on even after you sell it and that you can go, wow, I'm glad they agreed to keep having Glenn Beck be my, you know, sponsor or my my voice that that tells everybody about how great my safe is.
You better not sell it to people who are libs.
That's the problem.
And we should highlight the scale of this.
We checked out their data.
They were bought by this company, Monomoy Capital, I think is the name of it.
That was the first problem because Monomoy is in Massachusetts.
Yeah, they're in Massachusetts, and then you can look at senior people at Monomoy who they've donated to, and I think you have to go back to 2012 or so to even find a Republican who was worthy of a single- They own a safe.
They own a gun safe.
No, no, no, no.
So these guys are from Massachusetts.
There was one guy that gave Mitt Romney ten bucks in 2012.
Yeah.
You can't even make this up.
You can just look through it.
You've got, like, Maggie Hassan for New Hampshire, $2,900.
We have Raphael Warnock.
We have $2,900, $2,900.
We have Mark Kelly for Senate, $2,900.
Catherine Cortez Masto for Senate.
This person is doing deep cuts in their donations.
They're max donations.
Fetterman for Pennsylvania.
They gave maximum to the official national puppet of the United States.
Tim Ryan.
Who is terrible.
Ugh.
Mark Kelly.
And so, but I think that some people are saying, well, Charlie, how should they have reacted?
Well, in one of two ways.
They could have sued.
You can sue when you get a subpoena or a warrant.
You could also just negotiate.
Or the third, if they really would have been threatened, they could have done a press release.
We are right now, I'm not going to tell you what customer, but the feds have come to us against our will, and we are being told to get our password, and we refuse.
Like, they could have made a huge thing about it.
Senators could have gotten involved.
Just tweet it!
Yeah, just put it out.
Just be like the FBI right now is telling us to get into our safe, one of the safes of our customers.
We don't do that.
We're not doing that.
We are going to lock ourselves inside one of our own safes to avoid... Remember, Elon paid what, how much of a fine was it?
It was like $250,000 or something because the feds were trying to get into Trump's account recently, the Jack Smith thing.
And he missed the deadline.
And I forget the number, it was six figures, over six figures that he paid because he refused at first.
Um, and then missed the deadline, ended up having to pay a bunch of money over it.
Bring it up on screen, guys, if you can.
Uh, we've got $350,000 because he, uh, dragged its feet in complying with a DOJ warrant.
There you go.
Jack Smith versus Elon Musk.
And who knows if that drives all the other stuff that Elon Musk is getting for.
Money where his mouth is, right?
Like, show me that you are willing to fight for the rights of your customers regardless of who they are.
Everyone the same whether you've got a MAGA hat on or whether you're supporting.
I don't know some other Person who's on the other side, right?
The point is that companies we would love to just go back to the normal playing field But we can't and so I'm not gonna sit here and beg for fairness.
I'm not gonna say oh this isn't fair This is you know, this is hypocrisy the double hypocrisy.
No, no, no Mutual escalation.
So, if you are gonna work with the feds, we're gonna destroy you.
Simple as that.
Simple as that.
Yep.
And so, but here's, here's the tell.
Here's the kicker.
Because I had some people text me, you know, when Jack, you and I initiated the Death Star.
Some people say, Charlie, you're being unfair.
You're being unfair.
Here's the kicker, Jack.
They sent out a new statement this morning, acknowledging we were right.
Saying, oh, by the way, now we have a whole new standard operating procedure.
Oh, wait, okay, so we broke your will.
24 hours now, you now admit, we're never gonna do this, we have a new process.
So Jack, read the two, it's a story in kind of two parts.
First part, we get asked, we tell you.
We got a lot of pushback.
We got a lot of pushback because there are still a lot of people in the conservative, I would almost call it like the conservatarian movement that still believe like, oh, business should be able to do whatever they want.
And we should always support businesses and businesses giving the government stuff, you know.
And here.
So look at this.
At Liberty Safe, we are dedicated to safeguarding the rights and privacy of our customers.
It's a promise that remains deeply personal to our employees and leadership.
"Our company, one of America's oldest, blah, blah, blah, blah, fundamental rights, blah, blah, blah." Here we go.
Here we go.
We've, okay, we've long adhered.
All right.
It's an industry standard of maintaining a secure database of factories that commit combinations.
That's them trying to say, it's not just us.
It's not just us.
Industry standard.
This practice helps customers, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
And then, oh, wait, there's actually a page three where they get into the new one.
It's not there right now, but then in page three, because they put out one page statement.
Oh, yeah, here he is.
They put out one page statement at first.
That wasn't good enough.
Then they go back.
Then there's this huge, the Kirk post, the sword of Damocles comes down.
Then they put out a three page statement.
We've listened to our customers and update our products and practices in response to their evolving needs.
Evolving needs.
Evolving needs.
24 hours of backlash.
It empowers our customers with greater control over their information.
Now this is bolded.
Effective immediately.
Existing customers can visit www.blahblahblah and fill out the form to have records that have their access codes expunged.
Why should you opt out?
This should be an opt in.
This should be an opt in.
It should not be an opt out thing.
You should not have this when you sign up.
Every single person who buys a Liberty safe should be made sure they understand what the system is.
They give an option.
Do you wanna opt in or do you wanna opt out?
It's probably a lot easier to not have to maintain a database by the way of all the records.
So you opt out, you opt out, right?
But give people the option when you purchase.
So right there it's, and then it says, customers take control, et cetera, et cetera.
And then blah, blah, blah.
And it doesn't say it, but basically the whole thing is Posto and Kirk were right.
Jack, I think part of the outrage of this whole thing was people realized for the first time that there was a database with someone that they can't trust that literally has everyone's codes in it.
Which, by the way, is a de facto gun registry of conservatives.
Yeah, it's a de facto gun registry, but that liberals run it.
And it's in Utah, and you can't trust a lot of people in Utah.
I mean, look at the governor, for crying out loud.
Spencer Cox is a very strange person.
Spencer Cox and Mitt Romney?
I mean, you're talking about... These people put their trust in some bad people in Utah, right?
Some of the worst political actors.
Some of the worst actors we have in America.
Spencer Cox, see him.
And so there's like a... And I'll give the Mormons credit.
The Mormons have a granite vault that's supposed to be like second to none.
It's like almost... Is it a Liberty Safe?
Colorado Springs, like almost there.
It's almost Area 51.
It's a Liberty Safe.
I can get into it.
But it's not... But that's the thing.
That's the thing.
It's like...
There's somewhere, there's just some goon that has everybody's code sitting on a hard drive somewhere.
I can't get over this.
They told literally the whole world how to get into every single one of their customer's sites.
They told everyone, like, attack us in Utah.
And have you been to Utah?
Is it the dirty sodas?
Is that what's making this happen?
They have soda shops.
And that's it.
That's the only thing I trust out of Utah is a soda shop.
Does Jack not know the dirty sodas?
Soda-licious is actually the name.
I've never been to Utah.
You've never been to Utah?
Well, Jack, let's do some deductive reasoning here, Jack.
Why would there be soda shops and not bars in Utah?
You can't buy alcohol in Utah.
Right, because it's dry.
There you go.
It's the driest state in the country.
Ice cream, soda shops, And soaking.
We won't even get into that part.
No, no, no.
Good gracious, no.
OK, we need to get out of this topic ASAP.
I regret everything I've said.
Utah culture, you have to understand.
But this is, this is, they basically, you're exactly right.
They open up the door.
They open up the door to tell everybody, come into Utah and figure out everybody's codes.
Yes.
That's not a defensive, that's not a defensive state.
It's a diet cola over ice with coconut syrup, lime juice, and a bit of half and half.
That sounds beautiful.
No, it's delicious.
I'll get you one next time you're here.
We have all the places here.
But look, if they get rid of Mitt Romney, I'll trust Utah a little bit more.
Maybe they can have codes to safes.
That should be the breaking point.
In my opinion.
Dirty, dirty soda.
You say this tastes, you drink this on purpose.
They drink it on purpose.
They sell millions of dollars.
Don't judge until you've had it.
Don't judge until you've had it.
This sounds like something that I would make, like, when I was 12 and my dad would take me to McDonald's and I would, like, put all the sodas together and mix them up and then, like, it's whatever was on the table.
We call those suicides in South Dakota.
Yeah, yeah, suicides, we call it that.
We used to say that.
And then, like, put the salt and pepper in, a little ketchup, some hot sauce.
No, not, what?
No, we're just talking about creamer.
In your soda.
That's what they all say.
That's what they all say.
Yeah.
Anyways, we won't trust Utah.
We will not trust Utah until they get rid of Mitt Romney.
You're not allowed to keep everyone's backdoor codes on a laptop.
Utah are just cut loose now.
So Jack, here's a moral question and we'll go to the next topic.
Should we forgive a company?
Should we forgive Liberty Safe that in 24 hours they flipped?
Should we show them mercy?
Oh, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, you know, a lot of people have have brought this up and a lot of people have said, should we show them mercy?
And here's the question.
And as a Christian, as a Christian, I can say I forgive them on a moral level, but at the same time on an economic level.
And when we're in a fight for our country, why would I support or promote a company like that?
That has already worked against my interest.
It makes no sense.
So on a personal level, sure, I can forgive you, and I can say, I forgive you, you feel like you've done wrong, but I'm never gonna support you again, and I'm never going to forget what you did, and more than likely, I will find a company that does support my values, and continues to support my values, and I will go and support them.
And case in point, we're actually having Michael Seifert on the show tomorrow.
Yeah, and I don't see any repentance in their statements.
I don't see anything that we were wrong.
They're like, we updated it based- You know, that's a big part of, uh, that's a big part of forgiveness.
Reconciliation, right?
I mean, you have to... Reconciliation, you must atone.
Yeah, and I don't see much atonement.
It says, oh, we've updated our practices based on our customers' needs.
Oh, really?
What changed in the last 24 hours?
There's one line to draw, and that's it, Charlie, which is if they sell the company to a conservative, then everybody can go back to liberty.
That should be the dividing line.
Don Jr.
buys Liberty or something.
So there's a criteria that works for these things.
When certain companies are woke or go crazy, it's really hard for us to punish them.
But when companies where the users are predominantly conservative, and there's nothing that special about your product, like beer, then it's very, very easy for us to all of a sudden kind of throw it down.
Right.
It's like, OK, you are reliant on right wingers and you don't have that much brand loyalty.
It's not like people say, I'm really going to miss my Liberty safe.
It's like, yeah, OK, you could get 900 different.
Right.
It was like anything.
No, I mean, anything.
Yeah.
I guess he's working on it.
Yeah.
Benny's trying to try.
He texts us at like 5 a.m.
and he's like, guys, I bought a home that had a Liberty Safe in it.
It's the size of a Volkswagen.
How do I get it out of my home?
What I responded was right.
He should do a whole video series trying to be hilarious, like trying to break it.
Like trying to chainsaw it, right?
Send us your comments, send us your emails.
How should Benny Johnson get rid of his liberty seat?
While we're talking about the comments, we do have that someone wants a promos code for Tyler Stash, so we should look into that.
Yeah, promo code Pablo Escobar.
Promo code Pablo Escobar.
There was a tweet yesterday that when Trump returns to office, he's going to turn Mar-a-Lago into a political prison like La Cathedral that Pablo Escobar had.
And then he'll just go down and view members of the Deep State there.
Alright, so we mentioned Elon Musk standing up to Jack Smith.
Well, he's got another one of his feuds going.
So, ex-CEO... I hate the name ex so much, but... That's a topic.
That's what he's called it.
Ex-CEO Linda Iaccarino met with Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL, formerly... I don't think they are the Anti-Defamation League anymore.
I think they are just the ADL.
Honestly, they're a bunch of racketeers.
Well, she met with this racketeer last week.
It caused a lot of people to worry, like, oh, they're going to roll out a new censorship regime and, you know, buddy-buddy with them.
We didn't get that.
Instead, ban the ADL started to trend big time on Twitter.
I think there were over 130,000 tweets for it last I checked.
And then what really got crazy is Elon Musk got involved in it, and he started replying to all these people bashing the ADL, being like, oh, this is very interesting, all those tweets replies that he does.
And now he says that he's blaming the ADL's attacks on Twitter slash X for causing the company to not have its advertisers back, causing it to lose value.
And he's saying he's going to sue it for billions of dollars in defamation damages.
So, you know, there's speculation.
Is Elon Musk going to be the one who finally, you know, the ADL used to have, like, a lot of mainstream credibility.
They lost a lot of it over the last few years over Trump, over Tucker, but could Elon Musk be the one who, you know, brings it down?
Yeah, I mean, Jack, we've, you and I have both dealt with these, you know, let's just say 501c3 organizations on the left.
SPLC is probably more of your I've actually probably fought the ADL more.
I want to play this piece of tape here.
This is Jonathan Greenblatt.
So he goes on CNBC and he's like, if you dare question that we are shakedown artists, you're an anti-semi.
Play cut 44.
Can I ask a question?
Because I know this has been a critique of your organization and of many.
Were you seeking to have some kind of either role at Twitter or any kind of donations made or other things?
No!
I only say that because there have been folks who've looked at these situations and felt that they were being shaken down.
Look, I think, let me be honest about that, right?
I think it is sort of anti-Semitic trope to suggest when Jewish people express a degree of outrage over anti-Semitism, that somehow that's a shakedown because Jews are greedy.
I don't believe in, and this is really to you, Joe, I don't believe in cancel culture, I believe in counsel culture.
So someone makes a mistake, you help them fix it.
So it is a shakedown.
That's what they do.
And look, I'm not going to say what company this is, but there's a serious entrepreneur that everyone would recognize that I know.
And he was running a major company, and he was confronted by one of these organizations, these nonprofits.
It was the Organization for the Blind.
And they came in and they said, OK, we want to learn about your company.
And he's like, oh, well, here's all the features that we have with our company for blind people.
And they weren't satisfied.
They said, well, for a $25 million donation, this can be fine.
And they were like, well, we don't have any money, and maybe in the future.
And within days, they sued, and the whole media.
This is what happens.
A lot of these nonprofits shake down.
Al Sharpton really perfected this.
Here is Jonathan Greenblatt at a diner, exclusive footage, PlayCut 23.
Crazy.
Well, look at this.
I told them medium rare.
It's medium.
Ah, it happens.
I bet that cook is an anti-Semite.
He can't even see you.
He has no idea who you are.
They don't just overcook a hamburger, Jared.
Fine.
Anyway, the point I was making before Goebbels made your hamburger here is this.
A man like you could be dating women 20 years younger!
Blame me, I thought about it.
But she is so perfect in every way.
I can't see a flaw.
Well, keep looking.
Alright, Jack, ADL, what is the danger that they represent to civil discourse?
Oh, the danger, I would really define it as a shtickle of fluoride, Charlie.
It's a shtickle of fluoride.
If you remember the Seinfeld reference, of course, this is Bryan Cranston.
Before he went to Breaking Bad, he was Jerry's dentist.
He was a dentist.
In the famous Jerry Seinfeld anti-dentite episode.
Pretty soon you're going to start saying that dentists should have their own schools.
They do have their own schools!
One of the great lines ever.
Yeah, it really is.
If you don't know the context, I guess it doesn't make sense, but whatever.
Where he says, essentially, that he converted to Judaism just for the jokes.
That's kind of the punchline there.
He's like, it's our sense of humor that's kept us together as a people for 5,000 years, 6,000 years.
Even better!
Right?
And then he makes a joke about the Pope, and he's like, no, it's okay, Jerry.
I used to be Christian, so I can do those, too.
Or I used to be Catholic, whatever.
And so, it's essentially the same kind of logic.
You're taking yourself out, like if I were to say, oh you're just attacking somebody for being Polish, you're attacking somebody for being what?
It's refusing to take any kind of criticism, refusing to take any kind of situation and playing it into your race, your ethnicity, your religion.
This is the same type of thing that you see out of critical race theory, by the way.
In critical race theory videos, I remember I was watching one Uh, this, this video is some documentary about critical race theory and racist everyday racism, right?
So everyday racism was one of these.
And there was literally a situation where a woman was recounting almost exactly what Uncle Leo said.
She said, well, you know, my, uh, I was at a, this is a couple of years ago, but you know, I was, um, I was at a checkout line and I had to get, had to get, uh, pay with a check.
And the customer, you know, the clerk who was, who was working with everybody checking us out said to see my ID.
She has to see my ID when I gave a check.
But I was there with my sister, who's lighter skinned than me, and she didn't have to show her ID.
And then they went on talking a little bit in the interview and she says, well, you know, I don't usually shop there.
I was visiting my sister.
Oh, so it's someone that your sister probably knows because she's gone there all the time.
And the reason they asked you for your ID was because they didn't recognize you.
And people don't usually pay by checking.
Anyway, it's just ridiculous.
You can, you can turn anything into race.
And what's amazing though, is if you actually look at that clip, Charlie, go back with Jonathan Greenblatt and Aaron Sorkin, that Jonathan Greenblatt comes very, very close.
Right up to the line, I would say, of declaring Aaron Sorkin, who is Jewish.
Yes, an anti-Semite.
Very close.
He's like right there.
He's right on the line.
So, so you have some tweets.
Yeah, so it's just there's, there's so much history that, you know, one thing that's very promising about this feud between Musk and the ADL is now, like, you can just highlight a lot of, like, the ADL's been doing this stuff for a long time.
So, Nate Hockman, he's a guy on Twitter.
He's used to write for some places.
And he has, for over a decade, the ADL used undercover spies to conduct a vast, coordinated, and potentially illegal campaign of espionage against the John Birch Society.
So that was a right-wing, anti-communist society in the Cold War.
Sometimes got really extreme.
Who was right about a lot, by the way.
But was right about a lot.
And I can't read the whole thread, but I encourage people to look it up themselves.
There was a huge LA Times article a couple years ago.
There's that too.
I'll get to that in a second, Jack.
So they just had people infiltrating the John Birch Society and they were doing things like they would essentially engineer fake John Birch Society meetings so that some major figure would show up that they wanted to get interviewed.
They were spying on people.
They were getting information.
I think they might have been tapping phones.
So a lot of it was stuff that either got banned after it happened or was probably illegal at the time.
And they were just doing this for years on end for the purposes of they thought the John Birch Society was against their ideological interests and they would do this to delegitimize public figures by tying them to the John Birch Society or by linking them with it.
And then the other thing here, another tweet I have is from Michael Schellenberger.
He's one of those guys who was getting the Twitter files.
And he just highlighted the story from 1993, so 30 years ago, where California police discovered that ADL was operating what the Los Angeles Times called a nationwide intelligence network that kept files, quote, on more than 950 political groups, newspapers, and labor unions, and as many as 12,000 people.
This wasn't just things like white nationalist groups, it was also Greenpeace, United Farm Workers, Institute for Palestine Studies, ACT UP, Association of Vietnam Veterans, and the Japanese Americans Citizens League.
Much of this information was obtained illegally from law enforcement, and they eventually managed to avoid prosecution by...
Donating $75,000 to anti-hate programs in San Francisco.
But it just went on and on.
There was evidence that they had sold information about anti-apartheid protest groups to the South African government before apartheid fell.
It goes on and on like this.
Obviously, the ADL was created as an anti-hate organization.
They became the monster that they purported to fight.
It's the old Nietzschean paradox.
They are America's, like, them and the SPLC are America's, like, two premier hate groups in terms of who actually fans hatred in the United States.
It's the ADL.
It's the SPLC in that they smear people, they encourage hate against groups of people.
They do this to basically everyone on the right by saying, like, oh, you are white nationalists, you are racists, you are anti-Semites, you are this, that, that, when your real offense is just you're not a liberal.
Yeah, and so look, the ADL is primarily financed by secular Jews who truly believe, and this is not an anti-Semitic trope, this is a fact, they are primarily financed by secular Jews who actually believe That the American right is modern Nazi, like, Hitlerian fascism.
And the ADL stokes this.
Yes, they stoke it, they feed into it.
I have met some of these ADL donors.
We didn't get along very well, you know, because I went to all sorts of events.
When you're growing an organization, you get invited to something, you go to everything, right?
And so I would go to these pro-Israel events, and half the audience would be really conservative, half the audience would be not so conservative.
And I would talk, I would be like the only Christian there.
Tyler, you remember this.
You went to some of them with us, right?
All over the country.
It was really interesting.
We were only a few Christian non-Jews there.
And some people were like in favor of the ADL.
And you talk to them and they're super, super liberal.
But beyond being liberal, this is before Trump, they were super convinced that the American conservative community, pre-Trump, was like the burgeoning up of the Third Reich.
It's sad.
It's so sad.
SPLC was so good at this.
Morris Ease was this direct mail kingpin.
And he'd send these things where it's like, you know, the Fourth Reich is coming and it's in America and they're going to reopen Auschwitz and kill all of you.
It's deranged.
They are manipulating people by fanning hysteria.
They manipulate emotions.
They promote hatred.
And that is in fact what real hate groups do.
And this is why... Yeah, go ahead.
What I would say, and you know, I'm gonna do that whole stereotypical thing of like, I've got a lot of Orthodox Jewish friends, but I do, right?
And I talk to them on a regular basis.
And what I would say is, those guys tend to be conservative, they tend to be Trump supporters.
So what I would ask is, if you're an ADL supporter, if you're an ADL donor, go to an Orthodox Jew and ask them, why don't you see it?
Why do you believe something that these guys don't even see at all?
When they look at the American right, the conservative movement, Trump supporters, they don't see what it is you're talking about.
They don't see what it is you're talking about at all.
In fact, they disagree, behemently, with what you said because they see the Abraham Accords, they see the Jerusalem Embassy, they see Jared Kushner and Ivanka, etc.
You can go down the entire list.
But have you ever actually tried having a conversation?
That's all I'm asking.
Have a conversation and maybe you could actually come to an agreement on something instead of going in for these pressure campaigns and these crazy emotionally, and I get it, it's emotional.
It's emotional.
I understand that it's emotional.
But talk to some people who are in your own community Who don't see it, and ask them why it is that they don't see it.
Maybe there could be something you could chat about.
And I just want to reiterate something.
You go to ADL.org.
This is the supply and demand problem.
Douglas Murray has pinpointed it perfectly.
I know he's not a fan favorite of everybody.
I happen to really like Douglas Murray.
But Douglas Murray had this great quote where he says there's a supply... Oh yeah, North Russia, Douglas Murray.
I happen to like Douglas Murray.
Douglas Murray... I do.
I think he's very smart.
He's not right about everything.
Whatever.
Douglas Murray would say...
He'd say there's a supply and demand problem of racism and bigotry and hate in the West, and you have these non-profits that are funded under the premise of fighting hate, and they have to find hate where it doesn't exist.
And so, Jack, can you go through the numbers on ADL.org, where literally, like, one-fourth of all numbers are considered hate symbols?
I don't have it up.
Hold on.
No, it's a real thing, where at ADL.org, like, number 1 through 11, and 15, 20, 30, 50, like, it's not a joke where You have like one third of all the numbers one through 100.
No, it's not a joke.
The numbers 1 to 11, 109, 110, 12, 13, 13, 52, 13, 90, 14, 14, 23, 23, 18, 21, 2, 12, 2, 11, 23, 23, 16, 28, 3, 11, 3, 18, 33, 6, 38, 43, 5, 11, 7, 3, 7, 83, and 88 are all hate symbols.
Numbers one to 11, 109, 110, 12, 13, 13, 52, 13, 90, 14, 14, 23, 18, 21, 2, 12, 21, 23, 23, 16, 28, 3, 11, 3, 18, 33, 6, 38, 43, 5, 11, 3, 18, 33, 6, 38, 43, 5, 11, 7, 3, 7, 83, and 88 are all hate symbols.
So there was a situation, by the way, a couple weeks ago, Charlie, I know you remember this, tweeted something about So this is what's important.
And this is where we need to go a level deeper.
This is how the SPLC operates and the ADL.
So the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, is near the same amount of budget of Turning Point USA.
his tweet corresponded with numbers on the ADL's list.
So this is what's important.
And this is where we need to go a level deeper.
This is how the SPLC operates and the ADL.
So the ADL, the whatever, the Anti-Defamation League, is near the same amount of budget of Turning Point USA.
We actually spend our money on real impact, right?
We educate students, millions of people, events, and all that.
Tons of staff.
Tons of staff, right?
The ADL doesn't do... They have some programming and stuff.
So what do they do?
Okay, this is where it gets real.
This is where it's not just an annoyance.
They primarily spend their energy and their money on meeting privately with corporations to get them to stop doing business with us.
This is what the SPLC has done.
And so they basically, they figured out that one of the great expenditures, one of the most effective expenditures on the left, Is to give money to these organizations, primarily the SPLC and the ADL.
So the ADL has really, they have figured out that social media is going to be their thing.
That they're going to lobby the social media companies, saying anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism.
The SPLC, their big thing is credit card processing.
Right, Jack?
Is that correct, Blake?
Like, movement of money.
Banking.
A little of both.
I mean, ADL has an agreement with PayPal, which, by the way, obviously ties into an interesting Elon backstory.
Because, of course, Elon comes directly from what they call the PayPal Mafia.
This is also where Peter Thiel comes from.
Yeah, David Sachs, Peter Thiel, all them.
David Sachs, all those guys.
There's also a huge line here where a lot of this organization from the ADL was originally bankrolled by Pierre Omidyar and the Omidyar Network.
So the Omidyar Network, funded by him, and a lot of the groups that went into this stop hate for profit, stop profiting from hate campaign, Originally to pressure advertisers, which was done on Facebook originally.
Zuck, of course, cocked immediately on this.
Elon is the one actually fighting back.
A lot of the organizations are also funded by Pierre Omidyar.
Who is Pierre Omidyar?
He's a French-Iranian billionaire, the founder of eBay.
What's the tie between eBay and Elon?
eBay buys PayPal 1.5 billion and really is the one that launched the PayPal mafia.
So there's a lot of history here, a lot of background.
And what you're actually seeing on a higher level, if you look at it that way, isn't necessarily, Charlie, like the issues that you and I are talking about on the surface level here.
There's actually a much higher level at the overstate level where it's a massive oligarch fight, massive billionaire fight.
So, Blake, talk about what you just said in the chat.
It's important.
So the distinction is somewhat just off my memory of how it goes.
But SPLC's big talent is they are, you know, they're all about we track hate groups.
You know, there's 15 white.
Yeah, you know, there's 15... Moms for Liberty is a hate group.
There's 15 white supremacist groups in Arizona or whatever.
They were kicked out of Twitter's trust council even under Jack Dorsey.
So it's sort of this two-fifths where what PLC will do is they'll be the ones who say, you're a hate group, you're a hate figure.
So either your organization or your specific person.
And then ADL is the one who seem to have more experience in leveraging that into, you get banned from Twitter, you get no advertisers.
They're kind of good at that institutional manipulation.
SPLC, at least until a few years ago, had much more of that standing of being like, oh, well, they're experts on hate.
You know, they track these hate groups.
They're the ones who say hate incidents across America are up 45% because blah, blah, blah.
And all of that.
And they've also gotten spectacularly rich off that, I think.
In fact, they got I think they got their endowment up to like 700 million dollars.
At SPLC?
At SPLC.
They have this huge headquarters in Montgomery.
I think it was like 400 million, I'll check, yeah.
The, uh, the Poverty Palace, I think they call it.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah, that's the nickname.
Even with staff, because staffers, uh, I mean, liberals have been attacking the SPLC for decades for basically saying it's a sham.
Blake, um, can I ask you something?
I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not very good at politics.
Right, 723 million dollars.
Is Alabama, that's like a blue state?
Are they a purple state?
Where do they fall politically, Alabama?
I mean, Alabama, they, man, you're right.
I mean, they have the SPLC there and it just, it functions without any harassment.
So I have to assume it's a blue state without doing any further research.
It's gotta be, I mean, deep blue, right?
Deep blue, deep blue.
I would assume it's one of the most Democrat states.
Tyler, they have one of their expenditures on their 990 as voting programs.
Yeah.
They spent $767,000 as a C3 on voting programs.
Yeah.
That's... Anyway, I'm sure that's all kosher.
But no, but this is what's important.
Yeah, you're right, Blake.
I mean, I'm just at a loss for words.
They have $723 million in total assets.
No, I just have to say, I'm impressed at how ineffective they are with this, this kind of, if we had this kind of resources at Turning Point, like, game on.
That's like a liberal arts college worth of, like, impotently building up huge amounts of money.
No, I know, I'm actually impressed that, like, actually, besides a couple lists and lobbying... Charlie, if Turning Point had...
Had that much money, we'd all be working four days a week and living rich off of foreign tariffs right now.
Yeah, I mean, you go to the SPLC website, their hate watch, which is a joke, right?
But this is what's important, is they create fake standards to then go to companies that don't know any better to bully and intimidate them to stop doing business with us.
So if you know about cancel culture de-platforming, it starts with these non-profits where their full-time job is to do this.
Jack?
I mean, that's exactly right.
And keep in mind that whenever we bring up the SPLC, even though the fact that they were kicked out of Twitter's safety council, even under Jack Dorsey, so even on the previous iteration of Twitter, when it was like liberal, woke Twitter, said, no, no, you guys are just ridiculous.
They also inspired a mass shooting at a Christian organization, a psychotic individual by the name of Floyd Parkins.
Family Research Center, I think, right?
Yeah.
Targeted, yes, to Tony Parkins and the Family Research Council, And Charlie, what he did, he went to the SPLC's hate watch map, looked up the closest location to him, and before he went there to kill everybody at the Family Research Council, and unfortunately he didn't because there was a security guard who was armed, by the way, and a good guy with a gun did what he was supposed to do, Charlie, he stopped at a Chick-fil-A.
Do you know why he stopped at the Chick-fil-A, Charlie?
Because the Chick-fil-A funded the SPLC?
Because the... No, this was actually before that, but yes, that is true.
Because this guy... But no, you gotta hear this.
This guy, Floyd B. Corkins, his plan was that he was going to kill everybody inside the Family Research Council and then smear Chick-fil-A sandwiches all over their dead bodies.
So when he showed up, he actually had a bag of Chick-fil-A sandwiches with him.
That's what the SPLC is up to.
So Blake, how can we stop the SPLC?
What could the Alabama Attorney General do?
I mean, it would help to just be like, okay, you guys have $750 million and you have about 30 years of liberals saying, like, wow, this organization's kind of bullcrap and lies to everyone.
And they also had a big sexual harassment scandal four years ago, I think, and they were like, we're going to investigate this.
We're going to hire Obama alumni to investigate this.
That was never mentioned again.
That was entirely brushed under the rug.
Like, would it kill the Alabama AG's office to just, you know, detail a few lawyers onto that and, you know, see what they can dig up?
It seems like they have a lot of bitter ex-employees.
I mean, James O'Keefe is getting investigated for, you know, riding Uber Black.
Yeah, by the Westchester DA, a local DA, who should be worried about, I don't know, rape, murder, arson, theft.
Dogs urinating on the wrong lawn.
Like, that's what DAs do, okay?
Like, I don't know, someone going and smashing mailboxes.
DA, okay?
Traffic violation.
DA.
DUI.
Not, hey, I have a charity and I did Uber Black one too many times.
By the way, he didn't.
Let's just be very clear.
And so, but our side doesn't fight.
That's how it is.
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Alright, so many people are asking on Thought Crimes, and there are some rumble rants.
Charlie and team, what are your comments about the man who claimed he had sex with Barack Obama?
Let's play... I believe him.
Hold on.
Let's play this piece of tape.
Ryan has it.
And this will establish Cut87, man who claims that he had sex with Barack Obama.
I want to start by thanking Harvey Weinstein.
This is possible because of Harvey.
He is a wonderful human being, a good friend, and just a powerhouse.
I'm sorry, that's Michelle Obama.
Just wrong clip.
That's totally the wrong clip.
Was that Whoopi Goldberg behind her?
Totally.
Ryan, I told you not to have that.
We have to be more precise.
So Larry Sinclair is obviously who we're talking about, not Michelle.
No, no, that's Larry Sinclair.
Which we already talked about, which we already talked about too, we brought up today.
What should we call it?
The town that it happened in.
Chicago?
No, it was, but it was, it wasn't in Gurnee.
We have to tell everybody about Gurney.
I swear that's the story that was in Gurnee, Illinois.
Did it happen in Gurnee?
Right near Six Flags?
That's like the weirdest place to have like coquette gay sex.
We have to tell everybody about Gurnee.
You have to explain Gurnee to people.
Before we get into that, I feel obliged to do this.
So we had Jancox04, did pay for a Rumble Rant.
A vote from you guys.
Is Larry Sinclair legit?
Raise your hands, RNC debate style.
Let's do it.
Raise your hands if you think it's legit.
We raised our hands and they took it off!
No one has that much detail.
He said Gurney.
Charlie's pulling a DeSantis on us.
He's looking around.
Let me tell you why.
I actually don't trust him, but I do think that... Here's what I'll say.
If you grow up in Chicago politics, it is very well known that Obama's gay.
Okay.
Have you listened to the music he likes?
Yeah.
I mean, but by the way, it's just, I was, I heard from so many people.
Have you paid attention to literally anything about Barack Obama?
Yes.
And so do we have any clip of Larry Sinclair?
Have you seen him ride a bike?
Have you seen him ride a bike?
Let's put cut 81.
This is Barack Obama prancing around.
Yep.
There he is.
It's quite an oppo dump in case they were thinking of all of a sudden putting Michelle Obama as the new candidate.
So a three-dimensional chess Joe Biden campaign launches Larry Sinclair out.
Four-dimensional chess.
Right.
Because this isn't the first thing this has happened recently, right?
There's been a couple other.
There was like some some letter that came out recently that Obama had written to a girlfriend when he was in college.
He was in the University of Chicago.
about how he fantasizes.
I have sex with gay men every night in my dreams.
And it's like in his handwriting and nobody disputed it.
I feel almost like what's going on here is someone is sending a message to the Obama camp.
And it wouldn't surprise me if it was like Hillary or maybe even Newsom.
Hillary and Newsom working together to basically send a message that all of this is going to come out.
The other explanation that started this is that Chef was found dead in the lake, right?
And that just kind of just got people thinking.
The paddle boarder.
Right?
Of course, Blake says, nothing to see here.
Totally normal.
Chef in the lake.
Obviously, it's totally normal.
We shouldn't even think about it.
If you do, you're committing a thought crime.
Okay, here's the clip I meant to Ryan play, not of Michelle.
Play cut 73.
Donald Young is a choir director and a school teacher.
He was the choir director at Jeremiah Wright's church in Chicago, the same church that Barack Obama went to.
He was also a very openly gay black man, but very well respected.
Did you know him?
I had never met him.
I had not even realized that the person who was communicating with me had been killed until a good two months after.
Donald Young's own mother has repeatedly said that she feels that her son died to protect Barack Obama.
Okay, and then let's continue with Cut 74.
The last conversation that I'd had with Donald Young, he had actually come clean and said that he had been asked to call me and that his job was to get as much information from me.
As far as who I had spoken to, who I had given any information to, and to get that to them.
He had told me to be careful, to watch myself, and to understand that the Barack Obama campaign was not in any way, shape, or form going to acknowledge anything or come out about anything.
And he had made it clear that he had known Barack for quite some time, and had had an intimate relationship with Barack for quite some time.
He told you that?
Yep.
Okay, so first of all, let's just get our facts straight.
This guy allegedly had gay sex with Obama.
So this man, yeah, Larry Sinclair allegedly did coke, did stuff with Obama, and then now he's saying Donald Young, who was a choir director at Jeremiah Wright's church, you remember that guy, He also was apparently openly gay, and he was killed, and even though Chicago has, you know, what, 500, 700 murders a year, we're gonna suppose that this one might have been that the Obama campaign, which didn't kill Larry Sinclair, despite him having sex with Larry Sinclair.
They took out Donald Young, and so now we've got a murder conspiracy.
Got it.
It's the perfect crime.
I'll admit, I find that one a little dubious.
You know, I dislike Obama in a lot of ways, but I don't think his campaign was going around icing people before the 08 election.
For one, I think Hillary Clinton probably would have pointed that out.
Maybe not.
She wasn't competent, but I think they would have tried.
So the question is, Jack, is Barack Obama a gay cokehead?
I mean, at this point, It seems like we've got a lot of evidence coming forward.
And like I said before, I think that a message is clearly being sent to the Obama camp, the Obama family right now, whether it's from the Chicago machine, or you got to understand that the Democrats operate, they are a machine of machines, a mafia of mafias, if you will.
And so the Biden side of things was just sort of a, they have no actual power, right?
They were a means to an end.
And so Biden's propped up there, but nobody actually cares about Hunter.
He's causing a lot of problems for people.
Nobody cares about Jill.
Sorry, Dr. Jill, it's just true.
And certainly nobody cares about Joe Biden, but they wanna use him because he polls well and his name polls well.
He's very well tested from his era with Obama being sort of Obama's buddy.
So it seems like a message is being sent to Obama from someone in terms of all of this.
That's why you're seeing all of this come out right now.
And my big question isn't necessarily, okay, does it hurt Obama?
My big question is who benefits?
Qui bono?
Who is benefiting from all of this coming out and why now, all of a sudden?
I guess a good question is, do we benefit?
The reaction on Twitter has interested me.
The left has actually not really responded as much.
They're kind of ignoring it, right?
They're ignoring it.
Which is amazing.
And the right is actually decently split.
Obviously, we have to admit, this is all extremely funny.
The trailer, as Tucker released it, is super funny.
It's just like, and then he put his arm on your leg.
All of that.
Uh, but at the same time, you know, we all, obviously we all like Tucker.
Tucker's really interesting.
And I think there was, there was a reaction of a lot of people on Twitter, which was, is this, should we be talking about this actually?
Like, you know, given we've got You know, it's weird for him to go straight from interviewing, like, Victor Orban about, like, how to preserve your country as a citadel of Western Christian civilization against globalization and LGBT and mass immigration and all that, and then be like, and now we're going to go to this guy who says he did crack with Obama.
Well, there is a direct connection there.
That there is.
That there is.
Not just crack.
Play cut 31 for the trailer.
Blowin' whistles.
You're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like you're looking to party.
Yeah.
Pulled up in a bar outside and there's this guy that's introduced to me as Barack Obama.
I had given Barack $250 to pay for coke.
I start putting a line on a CD tray to snort and next thing I know he's got a little pipe and he's smoking.
So I just started rubbing my hand along his thigh to see where it was going and It went the direction I had intended it to go.
Even though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him, watched him smoke crack twice, you had no idea who he was?
I had no idea who he was.
Fantastic.
The obvious question, what was Obama like on the back?
Is it your sense that that's who Obama is, just transactional, or that he's bisexual, or like, what is that?
It definitely wasn't Barack's first time, and I would almost be willing to bet you it wasn't his last.
This guy's running for president and credible information comes out that he's smoking crack and having sex with dudes.
That seems like a story.
Well, it would be a story if the media really cared about telling people the truth.
Alright, Blake.
It sounds like he was a selfish lover.
Well, I don't want to get anything in return.
I'm just happy to make a man happy.
Very bizarre.
The tone of it is very, like the dramatic music versus this guy who sounds like a family guy, that family guy creeper character.
So, Tyler, Gurney, Illinois.
Is that where this happened?
Gurney, Illinois?
I really wasn't paying attention to any of it until I heard Gurney.
Well, hold on.
That makes me believe it less, to be honest.
What was Barack Obama doing up in Gurney, Illinois?
Riding rides.
He's right.
He's right.
A lot's right.
It's right near Six Flags.
Just right.
Six Flags.
It's like right on the border.
There's nothing.
If you've driven between Chicago and Milwaukee, you'll drive right by and you won't really even realize where you're at.
But it's a little freaking nowhere.
It's the middle of nowhere.
It's like so far away.
I spent we had a lot of like a lot of very important time there.
A lot of very, very important time in my life.
Not Gurney, but Great Lakes is right there.
Yeah, Lake Michigan is right there.
Navy Boot Camp is right there.
No, that's right, right near Zion-Benton.
U.S.
Naval Station, Great Lakes.
That is true.
So, Jack, does this matter?
I guess the question is, I guess Barack Obama's just been lying to us.
If it's true, I guess that's the next media spin story.
Who cares if he's gay?
You know who the real person who's mad is?
Pete Buttigieg.
He thought he would be the first gay president.
Yeah, OBJ was.
And the thing is, a lot of people wonder if Pete Buttigieg is really gay.
Yeah, Pete Buttigieg is more straight than Barack Obama.
No, LBJ was actually omnisexual because he would have sex with anything.
Who, LBJ?
Yes.
I mean, given the stories you can read about LBJ, uh, yeah.
Yeah, seems so, yeah.
He was really after JFK.
Jumbo, he called it.
He was really after JFK.
So, but Jack, should this story matter?
Well, I think it should matter for a lot of reasons, Charlie.
I mean, I said to somebody who was involved with the interview the other day when we were chatting about it, and I said, you know, it's amazing to me that the media will force feed us, you know, Donald Trump's second cousin's IT staffer's, you know, roommate, and all of a sudden he's being charged over this.
And we know all of these basic facts about Trump's life, his family, his extended family, turning them into stuff.
When it comes to a guy who's Barack Obama, who was president for twice as long as Trump was, right?
You could ask any American basic facts about him and they just don't know, right?
There's this huge black hole about Barack Obama's past that has always been there and has never really been open.
It's just never been open.
And so I do think that we should actually ask questions about who our leaders are, how they got there, and how we as a country got to where we are.
Yeah, I mean, they pulled up, you know...
Behind the scenes tape of Donald Trump, they probably listened to thousands and thousands of hours of Donald Trump on camera for decades.
But again, I was just pulling up in there like, does anybody ever talk about Barack's Columbia roommate who happens to be gay and is in hiding in Seattle that never wants to talk to the press?
There's all this stuff.
Whoa, is that you on the screen there?
There's so much stuff.
Got that big mustache.
Yeah, the mustache.
I actually grew my mustache for this.
Tell us about your, what was it like being roommates with Barack Obama?
Or as you know at the time, down low, down low Barry.
See, since the first day I was in the movement, in the conservative movement, people in Chicago would be like, you know Barack Obama's part of the down low gang.
And I was like, come on.
And you start to hear it from more and more credible people, like state senators that served with him, they're like, he's 100% gay.
And it's just like, no one I guess really cared, Blake.
So where are you at?
You're Normie on this... Is Barack Obama... Have you not watched him ride a bike?
As the resident Normie here, I don't really think Larry Sinclair is telling the truth, but... I'm with you.
I'm not even convinced of him.
I think we have a lot of evidence to believe that Barack is a down-low brother, as they say.
I actually was not that convinced by Larry.
He just kind of seems like this crazy person, and Gurney, Illinois, lose me.
There's no way.
But the... I mean, I think Obama's gay.
So, and you would agree.
I think there's a mountain of evidence.
Now I guess as we've said on our show, I don't know how much gay stuff he's done.
Now here's the real question.
Here's the 5D chess.
Is the Obama camp leaking this out to increase Michelle Obama's likability?
I had a bisexual husband my whole life and we still made it work.
Play cut 64.
And do you think that the country will see the first, the United States will see the first gay president or the first woman president?
We already have it with Obama, so let's just calm down.
Got it.
You know Michelle is a trans... I'm sorry, she's a what?
A transgender.
We all know.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
It's okay.
Oh my gosh.
This is, I'll admit it's funny, but like, I am meeting more and more people who believe this is literally true, and I do, I do have to put the rakes in this.
Like, guys, we're projecting back here, like, we have Michelle Obama's high school photos, like, in her yearbook.
We have her thesis, as we've read on our, on the show before, which is, it's really bad.
It's psychobabble.
And it's not, it doesn't talk about, you know, her being, you know, a biological male and struggling with that at Princeton.
So that it'd be quite the psyop for them to have covered that all up for years in advance.
But it is funny.
And, you know, so it will endure because it is funny.
I mean, the one thing that I would say that it reminds me of is that, so Obama admitted in his memoir that he smoked like a pack of cigarettes a day.
When he was in the White House, and yet, you can barely find any photos of him, and we all know the White House is one of the most heavily, neatly photographed areas in the entire country, yet there's hardly any photos of this.
And so, this was a secret that the Washington Press, the White House, correspondents, etc., etc., were all in on for eight years.
They maintained this.
That people would go around and, you know, I remember from covering the White House when I was there in the Trump years, that you would just, you would see the president.
You'd see him going here, you'd see him going there, you'd see him at a meeting, right?
He worked there, right?
He lived there too.
So you'd see him around all the time.
The idea that this guy could hide smoking and the media just wouldn't take photos of it and kept it a secret for eight years leads me to believe that, yes, there are lots of things that they would be willing to hide to protect their guys.
And does it matter, Blake?
Is this something that matters?
I think the answer is no, and it's not because... It's because the entire Obama presidency is actually a black hole.
There's another guy on Twitter, Paul Scalise, the Lindyman guy.
Lindyman!
He was president for eight years, and what's his cultural impact?
What do you most remember about it?
Even Obamacare, can you remember what Obamacare did?
His entire presidency is just sort of this...
Like, compared to Bush before him, compared to Trump afterwards, compared even to Biden.
It's just like, the whole thing never happened.
Like, the movies that came out then barely matter.
The websites that were big then are, like, all defunct now.
Like, there's no aesthetic changes whatsoever.
The biggest difference is in the effect it had on race relations.
Well, he had Obamacare.
Obamacare, Kagan, and Sotomayor would be his legacy.
Yeah, and like, the Great Awokening happens in his second term.
But even that's much more associated... And the staffing of the bureaucracies.
But even that's much more associated with Trump, who came after.
Like, Obama himself, it's just like... It's like the dude never happened.
Other than on right-wing Twitter, where we still watch funny interviews.
No, you know what I'm saying?
We barely... This is the first time we've actually talked about Obama in years?
Like, as an actual news cycle involving him?
Here's the other thing, is that anyone who spent time with him in the Senate, he's incredibly lazy.
He's a very lazy person.
Now, that is not the case of Kamala Harris, like, incredibly ambitious.
Obama's not that ambitious.
Kamala Harris worked hard to sleep her way at the top.
No, she did it the old-fashioned way.
She did it with that guy's name, Lamar or Jamal or Damar.
What was his name?
And she with Slick Willie.
Yeah, Willie Brown.
Willie Brown.
Yeah, and then she also-- Yeah, I mean, she slept with everybody on her way up.
She did it the old fashioned way.
And I mean, like Gavin Newsom works very hard.
But even at Montel Williams.
That's right.
Montel.
I was close.
And so, Gavin Newsom was doing everything he possibly could.
I mean, he's super ambitious.
Obama's lazy.
Obama's a very lazy person.
I interned with a senator a decade ago who, you know, played in the Senate Basketball League.
Because, you know, Obama was famous for, you know, all his basketball shots.
Oh, he's so good at basketball.
He's like, Obama didn't even play basketball.
That was all fake.
Yeah, he's not even, and he can't even throw a baseball.
Definitely can't throw a baseball.
Do we have a video of his little limp wrist baseball throw?
Do you think him and Sinclair might have done other things with baseballs?
Like what?
Dude, if your imagination can't fill in the rest, I'm not filling it in.
Someone say something.
I disagree with you guys on the legacy of...
Barack Obama, I think the greatest legacy that he has is guys like Eric Holder who went on.
I mean, the guys that actually have puppeteered this country now and have made such negative impact.
And never forget, Eric Holder was originally put in by Ronald Reagan.
So, you know, if there's one thing that I actually am very negative about Ronald Reagan about is that you just, you can't put anyone, this is why the conservative movement has to do, well, I'm just saying if there's one thing that I think has been the biggest negative impact on the country, Eric Holder came straight out of the Obama administration trying to manipulate our entire country and he's been doing it ever since.
And most of the things that we complain about every single day are the product of Eric Holder.
If you want to talk about Googling and not finding anything on the Internet about anyone, try to look up where Eric Holder is today.
He's a thug, man.
He's an apparition.
You can't find him.
No one's tracking him.
And yet he's one of the most powerful, most influential people.
It's a construct past the Obama administration.
You actually just made a great point.
Oh, I was going to say that, Tyler, that Could you imagine if we had the power of Google like 2014, 2013 back?
Do you guys remember how good Google and YouTube search algorithms used to be?
Where you could actually find, you could just type in whatever you want and boom, you would get the information and you would even find information that was relevant to what you actually wanted.
This is before all the force algorithms and the SEO and the advertising changed everything.
You could find whatever you want on Eric Hold.
It was an actual free internet that existed For this like this like brief shining moment.
And now for anybody who's coming in in the tick tock era or the X era, they have no idea what they missed out on because the Internet actually used to be amazing.
And by the way, it's because of groups like the ADL, like the SPLC, like other people that have taken it away from us now.
And I just want to say this with a piggyback on that.
Guys like Eric Holder, they curate every single sentence that's on the Internet about the guy.
And it's the same thing as Obama.
Every single thing.
They're a simulation, man.
You didn't even realize it's happening?
Buddha Judge is the same way.
What's that?
Buddha Judge is a creation.
They have a lot of this, and it's crazy.
It's unbelievable that nobody ever thought about it.
Except for Edison, who doesn't even know the word pedophile.
Okay, so let's get to Barry Sotero, chief operating officer of the Tomb Gang and member of the Down Low Club, Playcut 92.
Commander-in-chief clad in the white socks, jacket, and those jeans, and lollipop curving to Albert Pujols and, well.
They said lollipop.
They said it.
They said it.
Pooholes and pooholes.
That's a gay throw right there.
That's a pretty gay throw.
By the way, what's with those jeans?
Can we play this again?
Here's Barak Hussein, Barry Sotero, otherwise known as.
Play cut 92 again.
Who's the broadcaster there?
I don't know, he was probably fired and found on a lake after that.
Who's the broadcaster there?
I don't know.
He's probably fired and found on a lake after.
Yeah.
He's like, he's like, no, I think the bike is more, is more of an indictment.
The big legacy of Obama, you're right, is, is the personnel.
Is the bureaucracy.
And, I mean, the Biden administration is overwhelmingly a bunch of Obama reduxes, as you'd expect.
But we do have one positive thing, which is he did nominate... Like the sloppy seconds of Obama.
He nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, and I think the experience of sharing a court with Sonia Sotomayor for 15 years is probably a pretty big factor in why the Supreme Court did just, you know, strike down affirmative action in a lot of America's colleges this last summer.
So we could have positive outcomes from the Obama personnel legacy, too.
But definitely, I mean, Valerie Jarrett, who is, she's a hard worker.
She was there from day one to the last day of the administration.
She never left.
Her number one job was staffing the agencies.
And she did a good job of that.
She did a great job of that.
That is absolutely true.
So, final thoughts on this before, do we have a deep web reveal too?
I'm sure we do, Blake, right?
We have a whole additional topic to hit before we even get to that.
Unless we're shooting that down.
Which is, what is it?
How about we talk about, we could audible to the NFL, or we could talk about Pence versus populism.
That's a good one.
Which is the deep web reveal?
We can't do that.
It's a secret.
Because we went long on a couple other things, let's save this deep web reveal because it's not a short one.
Let's end with Pence and populism because that's fun.
Let's end Pence.
How about that?
It's not as controversial as Barack Obama.
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Okay, let's play cut 94, get it ready guys.
This is Mike Pence, who refers to Donald Trump in a very specific way.
There's a lot here to unpack.
We'll spend the remainder of our show talking about it.
Tyler, I know, will have some very pointed remarks because he has been warning about Pence for a lot longer than I have, that's for sure.
Play Cut 94.
And one of the lines you said to Deliver is that, are we going to follow the siren song of populism away from the timeless conservative principles of the Republican Party?
To whom are you referring?
Well, look, you look at this Republican field, whether it's my former running mate or some of his imitators, and there is a push in this Republican primary to move us away from our party's historic commitment to American leadership on the world stage, to a commitment to fiscal responsibility and reform, Okay, so Tyler, I'm going to throw this one to you first.
And many of those people I shared the stage with, including my former running mate who wasn't there, want to marginalize the right to life and relegate it to a state's only issue.
Okay.
So, Tyler, I'm going to throw this one to you first.
My former running mate.
So that's a far fall from, you know, after the election ended in 2020.
This is important.
At the Turning Point USA Summit.
We talked about that at the Turning Point USA Summit.
Reiterating again and again, and we've heard this so many times.
How great Trump is.
He gives a Reagan quote and then he says, my second favorite president behind Donald J. Trump.
That's actually a great point, Jack.
You should do a, you should do a Glamour Highlight Reel all the times Pence was bragging on Trump.
He said that literally 20, like that same line like 20 times.
The Trump-Pence administration.
He does that weird like loud whisper kind of thing.
He's a loud whisperer.
No, it's called fake Troicism is what I call it.
The Trump-Pence administration is fighting hard to protect the border.
And under our administration.
Under our administration.
I told the President of Mexico.
Stop.
You stop right there, buddy.
It's like this over-rehearsed, fake 1994 action movie present.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like Michael Douglas in the tryouts for West Wing.
It's like, all right.
He's just mainlining West Wing.
Come on.
Get it in.
Get it in.
Just get it in there.
And I will tell you.
No, try it again.
I will.
It's such an injustice to Michael Douglas.
It's so preachy.
Well, here's the deal about this subject matter here.
Let's just focus on populism real quickly.
There's like this like desire for all of these like Rhino, Moderate, Establishment, Coke, Weirdos to like brand populism as some kind of like real strong Like a toxin.
Issue-based ideology, which that's not the case.
The case of populism is that we listen to the little guy.
You listen to the voters.
You listen to the voters.
It's that hard.
It's that hard.
So every time he cracks me up, every time he says this, they're trying to make a boogeyman out of populism constantly.
Because they don't want to listen to voters.
Well, because they just want to, like, recreate this, like, false conservatism.
So what the voters have figured out is, like, there was actually a fake conservatism that they overused and nearly destroyed the term.
And this reminds me of the Tories, I said, and we could talk more about this against Brexit.
And they villainized this term populism, which the left and the right both use, which just means that we're going to listen to the people, and it's anti-establishment.
Right?
That's all it is.
That's all it means.
Yeah, and it's also just, we don't want four branches of government, we want three.
Like, it's really simple stuff.
It's anti-establishment, anti-elitism.
Anti-neoliberalism, right?
Anti-foreign wars, anti-bringing in plastic, anti-keeping borders open.
And like, you don't even need to call it, like, populism if you don't want to.
So much of it is just a tonal thing of like, hey guys, I've been around for a long time and I'm tired of A Republican party that essentially has ceded all moral high ground to the left in terms of what they're allowed to think and what they're allowed to say.
And then also just like keeps shooting itself in the foot by like, oh, let's blow, let's blow up another Middle Eastern country again.
And you know, suddenly like that, that fake conservative ideology went on the outs.
And so now Mike Pence has to try it out.
Charlie, so populism is a big threat.
So Charlie, you're in the biz, right?
Isn't it interesting though, how the way the term populism has really taken off in the last, I don't know, seven, eight years or so, as opposed to the word conservatism, because it's really become, and you know, and Blake, I get what you're saying is you don't necessarily, it doesn't fit necessarily the textbook definition of populism, but it describes the difference and the distinction between Whatever MAGA is and whatever came before.
And Charlie, have you seen that use of the term inside the party that way?
Yeah, I'd say this, the rank and file don't mind the term populism.
A lot of think tank people and some donors really don't like it.
They hate it.
They hate it.
And I'll tell you, they hate it because it goes against some of their invested corporate interests.
Not all of them, we have plenty of donors that like it.
But it's kind of a bell curve.
You had a huge spike of what we would call populism, William Jennings Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, a hundred years ago, and then you had real progressivism, but this is what's the most important thing.
They thought, they being the bad guys, thought Bernie Sanders was going to be the populist person from a socialistic perspective, and the fact that the right has now used populism as a weapon drives them crazy.
Drives them crazy.
The fact that we are now tapping into this, because populism is a thermonuclear weapon.
Ronald Reagan flirted with populism.
The same thing happened in England, too.
I'm sorry.
But Jeremy Corbyn was considered a socialist populist, right?
Just like Bernie Sanders.
And then what happens?
Brexit happens.
And then they start talking about... He was on the wrong side of it.
And they were talking about populism, which, again, a lot of these guys on that side start talking about populism, about a niche thing.
And the way that I look at populist philosophy, and this is just me, but the idea, and trying to turn it into a philosophy, is that it just fills in all the gaps of the ideology.
It fills in the things that people don't talk about.
Everything that Mike Pence is talking about, we agree with like 99% of the things he's talking about.
His issue is that these populist ideas have taken precedent over the boring, archaic, non-needle-moving stuff that has allowed our country to slip.
And so it's very simple, which is that, guys, Mike, we agree on almost everything.
You're just boring and you're not focusing on all these other ideas that matter, that have moved past, that are redefining, that are remolding, recrafting the conservative movement.
And we can embrace some of these ideas and move the party forward.
It's not changing anything about what we believe and most of the things that we agree on.
But, you know, being anti-war makes a ton of sense.
You know, that was a populist idea in the 70s by a lot of conservatives that came out of the 60s that helped shape everything that laid the foundation for the Reagan revolution that he loves to talk about.
If it wasn't for those populist ideas, Reagan never would have become president and never would have had the chance to appoint Eric Holder.
Blake, you have a thought on this?
Well, so now, I got some positive comments in the chat, so now I have to go into the normie mode that'll make them all hate me.
And I do think there are hazards to populism, there are downsides to populism.
There is a reason I think we would all still say we are conservatives, more so than we, before we would say we are populists.
And the downside of populism can be, like, if you are focusing entirely on pandering to the masses, that can encourage, like, demagoguery.
It can encourage, like, very short-term thinking.
Like, you know, delaying all student loan repayments essentially forever, or trying to forgive them completely.
That's a populist thing to do.
I think that would be a disastrous mistake.
I think all of us would agree on that.
Something like the national, like, you know, when we froze all of the rents nationwide during COVID and kept, you know, there was a lot of pressure to keep doing that.
That's a populist measure.
That's the thing you can do for, you know, I shouldn't say freeze all rents, like freeze the evictions.
You know, you can maybe do that for a month.
Doing it for years on end is like very damaging, but it's populist.
And, you know, saying, you know, that a problem with Pence is that he's boring and not entertaining.
You definitely do need entertainment to, you know, grip the masses.
There's a lot to be said for charisma.
Donald Trump won because he is, like, a world-class charismatic person.
But if you just put charisma above everything, you do get cults of personality, you do get demagogues, and you don't want those things because we are ideological people.
We don't just want to be cult followers.
I think Pence is mistaken in what he's saying, and he's basically saying, I want to rewind the clock to 2012.
But I do think we should take it... I don't want to say take under advisement from Pence.
That's painful.
That's excruciating.
But we should realize that We are not populists.
We are conservatives.
And we should always be careful not to worship the entertainment value of politics for the sake of itself.
Jack, is Blake right?
Well, I mean, I could nitpick on various things.
I'd be interested in talking about student loans if the universities have to pay from their endowments, by the way.
I'd love that.
Right, right, exactly.
And Debt Jubilee, of course, is the number one golden option of populists throughout history.
It is biblical.
It absolutely is.
And though at the same time, like I said before, I just don't think that we're necessarily following the textbook definition of populism.
Because, okay, so the populist movement right now, the populist energy, put it this way, there's populist energy in the left and there's populist energy in the right.
There's also populist energy that's kind of in the center, like your Glenn Greenwald, your Michael Schellenbergers, a bunch of these people that's kind of Joe Rogan to an extent that just kind of populate this center that aren't necessarily part of either side.
So when I'm talking about this populist movement that's actually, and Charlie you've talked about this a million times, this realignment that's going on in the country, you could be an RFK supporter and like consider yourself a liberal maybe, but you're also against the big pharma companies and you're against mandates and you're against the Intel corporations and you're anti-war.
And yet the Democrat Party doesn't represent you and elements of the Republican Party don't represent you because they have formed a two-party duopoly within Washington, D.C.
And lots of people across the spectrum can see this.
And so it does work for just tactical purposes because we need a name to call that.
So what is that?
And I would say there's populist right, there's populist center, and populist left.
That's the middle where we can all mix because we do need some nomenclature so we can figure out how to make our way forward.
And we can argue about whether or not we fit the doctrinaire version of it.
What populism also does is it forces the institutional conservative intelligentsia to prove their points.
And Trump, to his great credit, did this on three major issues.
Because people were complaining and they were saying, hey, like all of our factories are closed.
And they were never given an opportunity to really voice that concern.
Because we were told that, okay, no, all the think tanks, the experts agree, it's good to send all of our stuff overseas.
Trump was like, no, actually, have a seat at the table.
You're right.
Same with war, and same with immigration.
But I think you're right.
Of course it can engage in demagoguery, Blake.
Populism, while anchored in conservative principles, is a lethal combination against the left.
Not pandering, but listening.
Not overreaching against our principles, but also not being afraid to say, is there a time to use prudence?
To accomplish an aim or an objective or a goal.
I mean, for example, should we break up big tech?
Of course we should.
Mike Pence, though, is using... Here's the most important thing, though.
Why is Mike Pence saying this, Tyler?
Because his corporate donors don't like what populists want, which more than anything else, the through-line of populism is a protection of the middle class.
You're right with your concerns, Blake, but what they want more than anything else is a restoration and a preservation of the American middle class.
Tyler, your thoughts on that?
Yeah, I mean, I just think about how the Founding Fathers were populous, and they didn't start that way, right?
They didn't start that way.
They started like Mike Pence, which was they were loyal subjects to the crown.
They thought they were in America to, you know, do something special to live a really unique life, right?
But they revolted.
It was with a couple decades.
Everyone was in revolt, right?
That's what happened.
And it was because they listened to the little guy and they started talking about things that put their lives in danger.
And that's really the story of a lot of, I think, human civilization that have done great things, that have built Western civilization, is that it's been listening to the people and standing up for the individual.
That's the idea of America.
And if you ignore populism, if you ignore what the people want, it doesn't matter if it's good or bad, right or wrong, that's what makes America beautiful, is that populism has the ability to survive here.
And if it was up to Mike Pence, I don't know if it would be, right?
Like, if it was up to the neocons, I don't know if the individual would really matter at all, right?
And so that's, to me, that's what is the defining element of who are the good guys in the conservative movement and who are the bad guys.
The ones that want to give a voice to the individual, the Jeffersonian idea that really is a populist Contract yep, all right, so let's just kind of in closing here Jack this idea of Populism we can admit it can go too far But honestly we have not even begun to act in a policy way on any of these things right in more We haven't even China tariffs We haven't built the wall.
We haven't massively deported these people.
We have this stupid gay war in Ukraine.
So I hear your objections, Blake.
I think they're legit and smart.
At the same time, I think populist energy... I wish we would act.
More like this.
I wish we would be actually more restrained.
Do you see that, Blake?
I mean, I think the best way of squaring it is I wish we had a, like, conservative movement that was more populist towards its populist faction of conservatism.
Yes, that's exactly right.
Which is really what it was.
You know, if you pander too much to overall populism, you're gonna get... You need principle Yeah.
And populism.
It needs to be both.
But if you're too quote-unquote principle while you ignore your voters, the principle for corporations, for the sake of corp- like a great example is, we're never going to touch Google because our principles disobey us.
Like, that's stupid.
Yeah.
Okay?
That's literally looking at the destruction of something beautiful because you want to hide behind your quote-unquote principles.
Well, the better example, I think, of like a principle within the conservative movement that's not necessarily always popu- that's not a populist position has always been the pro-life stance of the conservative movement.
So in the Republican Party, in the platform, being pro-life has been there for a long time.
I don't know exactly how long, but it's been a really long time.
Since the 50s.
And so that hasn't always been the most popular position, but that's the position that you take.
That's a non-populist position that is important that we hang on to.
And there's many of those positions.
that still remain.
Again, this is where I would say guns is like that.
Guns, right?
Even like we talk about solutions to protecting kids in schools and things like that, right?
Like where this is where people-- debates come up, right?
Those are-- Free speech, however, is actually populist.
What was that?
I was going to say, the free speech is populist, though.
Yeah, free speech is populist.
But that's why that's why I'm talking about the way that I look at it, the simple way that I describe it to people is it fills in all the cracks of the things that are in between a lot of minor issues, a lot of new issues, a lot of novel issues.
And if you don't have conversations about those things, you never move forward.
You don't talk to people.
Well, and this is what also scares about populism.
And you agree with this, Blake, is that What Trump has been able to do is bring in new voters and change pre-existing political paradigms, right?
So you could bring in white working-class voters, you can bring in Hispanics, you can bring in low-prop voters.
That terrifies them, right?
They're like, whoa, why are you giving a voice to the people in Prescott?
Like, why do the people in Yavapai County, like, the voter turnout, and Tyler, you know this.
The Rust Belt.
It's up 20 or 30% than it was 10 years ago in these rural areas.
Like, all of a sudden, they feel as if they're engaged because someone is actually fighting for them.
Alright, final thoughts.
Let's go around the horn.
We'll start Blake, then Tyler, then Jack.
I'm just glad that we're getting out of here because it's halftime.
Is it already halftime?
It is already halftime.
The Chiefs are up 14-7.
Did you bet?
Of course not.
That is degenerate.
Oh, so you know what?
We should actually do a thought crime on the ethics of sports gambling.
That is a good idea.
Corrupt?
Neither the body nor the mind, Charlie.
So do you invest in the stock market?
Yes.
Well, how is it different?
That involves ownership and an actual asset.
It is not merely like a stack.
So you don't do ETFs or VIXs or any sort of speculative of market movement?
Mmm, I don't think so.
Okay, but I'm just curious, so you'll never... Stock market is gambling, please.
Of course it is.
I mean, just day trading, yeah, that's totally gambling.
No, but let's do the opposite.
I think sports gambling can be thought of as investing.
Investing in what?
Well, if you have information.
Everything's an educated guess, right?
Is that fair to say?
Look, I draft.
The stock market overall goes up, whereas long term, there's a pie that just goes bigger.
Whereas sports gambling is just winners and losers.
I think Charlie, as an industry, sports gambling requires addicts who ruin their lives doing it.
No, no, I totally acknowledge.
I actually think that there's a good reason to say that sports gambling might be not biblical, but there's also a way to look at it where you can get so into it with so much research, so much data, that sports gambling can feel more like an investment in an Apple or a Google or an ETF, a VIX, shorting a market, than it does just kind of randomly throwing money on a roulette table.
I just think it makes sports worse.
I think it makes, I don't like, I think it's trashy how the NFL is like, gamble, gamble, gamble, totally do this.
Oh, by the way, don't, don't, athletes can't bet on the sports, but it's just, it saturates everything.
But here's the thing, they do bet, they bet on themselves every day.
If our money was attached to the gold standard, if our money was attached to the gold standard, then it would be a cent.
But because it's made up and fake anyways, then it's all fake.
It's all fake and gay.
I think that's smart, but I think that there is a place, if you look at it as investing, because there's people that invest in Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies that's gambling more than investing.
I've seen it, right?
They're like, oh, this coin and this thing.
It's all fake, if it's fake.
Jack, are you a football guy, Jack, or not so much?
I mean, are you asking Jack the Philly guy who grew up B-A-G-L-E-S or like me personally?
No, I don't follow sports that closely.
And no, I don't gamble either.
I just drafted my fantasy team this week.
See, I don't do the fantasy thing.
I hate fantasy team.
My friends and I from college, or not from college, from high school, Have been going since high school, so we can't break it.
Half of us hardly play during the year.
We just like auto draft and like do all this stuff, but we've kept it going.
But my boy Harrison Butker is on my team and he's got his two for two tonight, so I got two points.
All right, everybody.
Until next week, keep committing thought crimes.
It is your first full weekend of both college and NFL football.
We should do that as a thought crimes next week.
The ethics of watching something that hates you, even though you love the thing.
I'll tell you this.
Quick shout out to Heidi in Guam, by the way.
Let Tyler finish.
Heidi in Guam.
Let Tyler finish.
Oh, Heidi in Guam.
Oh, also, you're supposed to grow a mustache.
That came from the chat.
I'm not doing that one.
That's a British tuto.
You have to grow the mustache.
The chat said it.
What were you saying, Tyler?
The thing is here is that we talk all the time about sports going too far.
I think the same thing with gambling.
I think you can get way into sports.
Yes.
I made the huge error of spending way too much money and going to all the finals games with the Suns after the finals, and we lost.
No, that's a good investment, though.
I disagree.
I think that's really smart.
If I didn't bring my kids.
I went to all the Cubs playoffs games when they won the World Series.
I had the best money I ever spent.
I get it.
And I had, like, no money at the time.
It's only going to happen once in your lifetime.
I disagree.
That's a great thing.
It's not a mistake.
But the thing is, like, you've got to, like, Pull it back.
But that's entertainment more than gambling.
But October's the greatest month ever because you've got basketball.
The Cubs are going to be in the playoffs, probably.
You've got playoffs.
And if your team's in, in the MLB, then it's, like, awesome.
Yes.
And so you've got college football at a climax.
You've got NFL football.
Hockey is back.
And then you have MLB.
It's, like, so crazy.
It's, like, the greatest, you know, for a dude.
No, that's actually an interesting question.
What is the greatest sports month of the year?
It's October.
Not even close.
I think you're right.
I would probably put January, because that's when the Minnesota Vikings will lose in the playoffs.
And once again, not when it's super cool.
Like clockwork.
I think January is great because of the college football playoffs.
Sorry, Jack, we interrupted your Guam shoutout.
That was actually to a listener who sent us in a very nice email, Charlie, to Heidi in Guam, who says that she listens to the show every week on Saturday mornings when she's at the gym.
I just wanted to give her a shout out because she sent us such a nice email, and I used to be stationed in Guam.
You know, the Northern Mariana Islands have been terrific for us.
Just terrific.
Yeah, according to Blake's normie principles, he's like, we must give statehood to all square miles of America.
We should actually do a thought crowd.
Every country in the world belongs to America.
Are you serious?
That's a good demand.
It's a line from an old show.
No, we got into the statehood thing.
Which one was the one that we disagreed on?
Northern Mariana Islands.
We should just make Guam a state.
No!
Take Guam, Mariana Islands.
No!
Make them a state.
Make them a spam state.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
This is a very bad idea.
We would have like immediately eight more Democrats in it.
It makes more sense than Puerto Rico.
It is the most corrupt.
It's controlled by like two families.
It's so bad.
It's so bad.
All they have to do is chase like 1,000 ballots.
There's like the North family and the South family.
They'd have to harvest 1,000 ballots.
Well, next week, one of the next two weeks, make a note, guys.
Eastern Oregon needs to be an interesting topic.
I like that.
Have you heard about the Oregon State?
The greater Idaho?
Save it for next week.
I love that idea.
I'm all on board for the greater Idaho people.
I love it.
And that California, they tried to break it into five states.
It's never going to happen.
But greater Idaho could happen.
It needs to be approved by Congress.
We need lots of states, like Texas, too.
Oh, and the Western Virginia wants to be part of Virginia.
The five counties of Virginia want to be part of West Virginia.
OK, we got to go.
If you watch NFL, don't acknowledge it publicly, but enjoy.
