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Today is July 27th, 2023.
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Today's top story, you may have guessed it, the fact of the matter is, folks, we've been telling you this for a long, long time.
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Today is July 27th, 2023.
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Today's top story, you may have guessed it.
The fact of the matter is, folks, we've been telling you this for a long, long time.
Jack Smith, the special counsel, and his grand jury in Washington, D.C., They're not done!
They're not done with the Mar-a-Lago documents case.
No, no.
Instead, they are now being focused on January 6th.
This is the indictment that will be coming down very shortly.
President Trump's lawyers now meeting With Jack Smith, the special counsel's office, to talk about this.
But I want to bring in here, we've got the great Savannah Hernandez for two segments.
Sav, when you hear these proceedings basically going forward, these alleged... Let me cut the crap.
It's coming.
It's coming down.
What is this going to do in the current situation in our country?
You know, Jack, it's just an absolute mess right now.
And I think that the average American citizen is just so exhausted with politics.
They're so exhausted with either the political persecution of conservative Americans or the Department of Justice being politicized and overlooking the crimes of the Biden family, let's say.
So the average American feeling an intense fatigue with the absolute state of America and, you know, the average person just wanting justice, the average person And so, when we look at it from this perspective, why is it that they're going so hard against President Trump in the primary?
I mean, why not let something like this just go to the ballot box?
I mean, I think we all know the answer to that question, Jack, and we saw what happened in 2020.
I mean, even go back as far as 2016, Donald Trump was never supposed to be in office, but here we are.
And that's why they're attacking him so much.
That's why we're seeing indictment after indictment.
We saw the arrest.
We saw the raid.
of Mar-a-Lago.
It's been an absolute mess.
And at the end of the day, all this is is the targeting of Joe Biden's political opponent.
And it's absolutely heartbreaking.
And I think a lot of Americans are getting very angry about where we're at.
We've seen so much support garnered for Donald Trump every single time that he is attacked because the average American realizing that every single aspect of American life is degrading.
And of course, that starts on top.
And I think Donald Trump is the best example of that here.
He's done a great job of just highlighting and exposing how corrupt our judicial system, you know, again, the very upper echelons of our political society really have become.
Sav, we're coming up on a break, but let me just ask you point blank.
Do you fear that in 2024 we're going to see the same type of unrest that we saw in 2020?
I mean, I think that if Donald Trump gets the nomination, which I do think that he will because he is the strongest candidate, that's my opinion, we could potentially see that.
I feel like we're already seeing the media gear up for it.
We're already seeing the attempt by, you know, the Biden administration to try to bring back that political censorship on social media.
And it's because we do have the ability to tell the truth now and combat a lot of the lies that would allow for that political unrest to become more And more insane as we saw in previous years.
Stay tuned, folks.
We're going to be right back here more with Savannah Hernandez.
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Now, as we're talking, we're here with Savannah Hernandez.
And as we're talking about the collapse and the unrest, everything that we see, every system in America is falling apart, every standard is falling apart.
Sav, you had an experience that you, let's just say, documented very, very colorfully on social media with the public transportation system as pertains to air travel in the United States.
And this is part of my contention that I know people say third world country, third world country, third world country all the time with the United States.
But what it might be more accurate to say that we are now becoming a second world country, one in which, you know, it's not necessarily just the top 1%, but sort of that top 5 to 10%.
They get access to a different standard for everything else, whether it comes to customer service, whether it comes to air travel, Whether it comes to hotels, etc., that everyone else in the country does no longer have access to.
It's actually the middle class that is completely losing out here.
This is the same type of things that you see in countries like Brazil, where you have these enclaves that people who are well-to-do are perfectly fine, but everyone else suffers.
Sav, tell us a little bit about your experience and what you think it says about the state of our country.
Absolutely, Jack.
This is something that I have been noticing as well and what I've deemed, I guess, our new normal, right?
That's something that we heard a lot during the past two years during COVID-19 and we are now living in the aftermath of this new normal.
So I went, you know, to fly back home from Texas.
to or from Florida to Texas, which is supposed to be a three hour flight.
And I ended up getting stuck at the airport for two days.
So basically all flights were canceled and because airlines just don't have employees that wanna work, they're dealing with staffing shortages.
Also the average worker nowadays just has horrible communication skills.
There were about two people working, so once all of these flights were cancelled, there were two lines that were each about three to four hundred people long.
So it was an absolute nightmare.
I went back the next day to try to get a different flight.
We finally got onto the airplane we sat on the tarmac for three hours and again going back to the basic communication skills that had been completely lost in this country we were initially lied to and told that it was a weather problem and then it came out that it was a maintenance issue and that the plane had been overfueled now for some reason it took the flight attendants three hours Before they were finally like, hey, let's go ahead and give the people sitting on the tarmac here some water.
Let's go ahead and give them some communication.
We were also told, too, hey, you might not make your connecting flight to our next destination, but also if you get off the flight, you're not going to be able to get back on the flight if we are able to connect.
So it was just an absolute mess, Jack, and there were so many people that were upset.
They didn't have access to medications, to their travel bags.
They couldn't even access a hotel.
A lot of people paying out of pocket because Again, the airline industry completely unprepared, and I think this speaks to, as well, just where we're at with the modern-day customer service, right?
When I was younger, I remember customer service being somewhat good, people greeting you with a smile, American infrastructure, cities, shopping malls, restaurants being clean, being fun, inviting places, kind of a way to get away from your everyday average life, but now it's just truly a nightmare, And I think that we see that every single day with the diversity hires that have no idea what they're doing.
And like you talked about, you can pay for a better experience.
But why is it that what, 10, 20 years ago, every single American was able to just thoroughly enjoy this country and was able to have access to that good service.
And now it's a small select few that have to pay extra to actually have good service in this country.
Well, I think that's exactly right.
I keep thinking about because like, you know, we've got two small boys at home and I just keep looking around at basic standards in the country.
Grocery stores, another example.
So airlines, I think this is the one of the more catastrophic examples.
I do lay that on the feet of Pete Buttigieg.
And you can talk about various things like changing standards, like pushing DEI, the vaccine mandates.
But look at grocery stores.
Do people remember that going into a grocery store used to actually be a fairly enjoyable experience?
Uh, you would go in, stores were stocked well, uh, there would be, you know, fresh food was available, fresh produce, you know, usually the first thing you see.
There's a lot of psychological reasons that they do that, uh, in, in stores.
It's also the same reason that they put the highest, uh, the highest margin products are all put at eye level, with the exception of candy, which of course is put at children's eye level.
Uh, so the lowest margin products they put all the way at the top or all the way at the bottom.
One of the tricks they use in the store is also the fact that you have to walk all the way through the store to get to the milk and eggs, right?
So those are the essentials, but they put it as far away from the door as possible, and then also the clockwise nature of most stores.
Anyway, long story short, Sav, are you noticing this as well in grocery stores, supermarkets, this idea that you go into the store, suddenly things aren't available anymore, stuff's falling apart?
What are we seeing in terms of the service quality in America's industries?
Absolutely, Jack.
It's a complete nightmare.
And if I have to be the Karen of society and say what we're all thinking, then so be it.
But I think that Americans should start getting more vocal about this.
And this has been the slow chipping away of our standards and expectations in society.
Like, for some reason, we just think, oh, well, because of the pandemic, this is just how things are now.
Oh, because Gen Z has bad communication skills, this is just how things are now.
We were told as well, like, oh, it's because minimum wage workers aren't being paid enough.
That's why you're getting bad service.
No, my parents raised me with very high expectations.
And so I always did the job to the best of my ability.
But I truly feel that the average American has been told to hate their country.
And if you hate your country, you're not going to care by extension about anything that you do.
You're not going to want to be prosperous.
You're not going to want to be better and do the best that you can.
And we're seeing that every single day in, again, just our everyday lives.
You go to a shopping mall and a dressing room and it's completely dirty.
There's clothes strewn about.
You go to a restaurant and you ask your waitress to refill your glass and she rolls her eyes at you and also the tip is immediately expected or just applied to the bill.
Like you said, grocery stores now are going empty.
Cashiers don't even bag up your items for you, Jack.
I can't tell you how many times I've had a cashier scan my items and then watch me bag them for myself because I live in Austin and they don't even give you bags anymore.
You have to bring the reusable ones and they just stand there and they watch you bag your own groceries.
And it's like, I would never watch somebody else if it was my job to do this, do it themselves and just stand there on my phone.
But that's the average mindset of the everyday American, and I'm completely tired of it.
And another thing too I've noticed, Jack, I don't know about you, but my average Uber driver doesn't even speak English anymore.
And as a woman, I think that's a safety concern.
I should be able to communicate with the Primarily male drivers that are taking me to my destination.
So we're seeing a definite demographic shift in this country.
We're seeing a mindset shift in this country.
And like I said, I'll be a Karen all day because America is not supposed to run like this.
You know, we look at it, it's more than just the service industry, right?
It's the roads, it's the bridges, it's the infrastructure, it's America's airports.
It's the leadership!
Meanwhile, you look at 100%, and meanwhile you look at some of these areas like Far East China, you look at areas like Shanghai that I lived in for a couple of years, and they're booming, they're absolutely booming.
Go look at Dubai, go look at Abu Dhabi.
Those cities are now the destination of capital.
We have completely We've completely let go of our own cities.
We've also completely let go of more and more standard staff.
What can we do to fix this collapse?
Well, I think it does start with the individual.
I think the outward expression of America, the fact that we don't value American exceptionalism anymore, is a direct reflection of the inward rot of this country, of our values, of our culture.
Again, the fact that we have an entire generation that has been told to hate this country.
All of the places that you just mentioned, there's a great sense of nationalism.
A lot of people from various other countries have pride in their country, and I think that is reflected I think that's exactly right.
of their countries.
So I think it starts with the individual.
It starts with the next generation.
We've been undergoing subversion in this country for a long time, and we have generations who simply do not care.
So it's really about reinstilling those values, those morals, teaching people to take self-responsibility and value hard work, value their country, value their homes.
I think that's exactly right, Sav.
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But Jack, thank you so much for having me on and for letting me be a Karen.
Hopefully some people understand what I'm saying here.
I'm not alone in this.
America's favorite Chamorro, Karen.
We love you, Sav.
Always a pleasure to have you on.
Stay safe out there and be careful when you're flying because you know some of those people on those flights, they might not be real.
They very well might not be real.
Folks, next up we've got a book called Untenable.
We've got the author of the book, Jack Cashel.
Who's an investigative journalist that wrote this thing.
This book is about something that's very near and dear to my heart.
Something that I talk about all the time on the program.
I've talked about on other programs.
This is about the collapse of America's cities and in particular the industrial and the de-industrialization of the of the American northeast as well as the government programs that came in and destroyed these cities.
The demonization of White flight, as it's called, or was it actually a program of ethnic cleansing, in a sense, of these areas?
Something that affected me and something that certainly affected the author of the book.
And we're going to be going through this in detail.
The author is Jack Cashel.
He joins us next here on Human Events.
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Folks, I'm very excited to bring on our next guest here.
His new book is out now called Untenable, the true story of white ethnic flight from America's cities.
He is investigative journalist Jack Cashel.
Jack, thank you so much for joining the program.
Hey Jack, my pleasure, absolutely.
I'm glad to be here.
I've got an apology up front, because I have about 40 pages left in the book.
I was power-reading through it the last couple of days here, and so I'm just about up at the end of it, and I said, you know what, it was about 1.15, the show starts at 2, and I said, alright, I've got to put this down, but I'll get to those last 40 pages after this.
That being said, I've read every single page of the book.
It resonates very closely with my own family's history.
We're of a Polish background, you're of an Irish background, and we're from the Philadelphia area.
Your book is centered on Newark.
Tell me, what drove you to write this book, and what is the book in a microcosm?
Well, what drove me, Jack, is the fact that I lived through the greatest social experiment in American history, and that was the Great Society and all of its tentacles, which were really institutionalized in the 1960s.
And as an adolescent then, I got to watch what happened.
I got to see the consequences.
My neighborhood, Dostoyevsky says, tell the story of your village if you tell it well, you tell the story of the world.
My village was a little village called Roseville in the midst of a city called Newark, both unassuming.
In 1960, many of my peers describe it as idyllic.
It's hard to believe, but idyllic.
By 1970, it was untenable.
And let me tell you how I got the title of the book.
Most of the people who went through the transition we went through left as Democrats and ended up wherever they ended up as Republicans, because they saw what happened.
My one good friend stayed a Democrat, and I talked to him just last year.
And he was the last guy out on our block, the last guy to leave.
He was living with his widowed mother, third floor, cold water flat.
And I said to him, I said, Artie, why finally did you leave?
And now he's arguing against interest.
And his wife, who's pretty woke, is hovering nearby and he's trying to be careful.
And he said, Jack, it just became untenable.
And I said, what do you mean by untenable, Artie?
He said, well, when your mother's mugged for the second time, that's untenable.
When your home's invaded for the second time, that's untenable.
You take Artie's experience, Jack, multiply it by a million.
And you have this story of ethnic white flight from America's cities.
Well, you know, that's that's perfect, because my town was called Norristown, still is called Norristown.
Same idea.
I'm reading your book and I've gone through page after page of it.
And it just reminds me of exactly where I grew up, especially there was there was the chapter I just read where You talk about leaving the town and then going across the bridge to, you know, to the first sort of instant suburb that's there.
And you realize that there's no amenities there.
There's no movie theaters.
There's no restaurants.
There's no stores.
There's no diners.
Where do you go?
What do you do?
And in fact, these days, we call those third places.
And we talk about the decline of third places.
That's exactly how I, when I grew up, I had, we had a corner store that was actually on our corner and it was the same corner where I picked up the bus to school.
It would, you know, took me to the Catholic school, St.
Patrick's down in Norristown, right on DeKalb Street.
And then it was, you know, that was that corner.
Then you had a movie theater uptown.
You had a grocery store that was a little bit further.
You could, you could, you were within walking distance at any time of two hospitals.
So we had two hospitals that you could see both from my house.
I was born in one, my brother was born in the other, my little brother.
They are both closed now.
The one where I was born is now a vacant lot because the entire place has been demolished.
The one where my brother is born is now this, you know, sort of county health center, but of course the hospital's dried up.
That was because they turned our town into a sanctuary city after, you know, the whole place was destroyed and everybody left.
And it actually occurred to me that as, you know, reading your book that, and I've talked about this at times where, oh, and I'll throw out again, the house that I grew up in was the same house that my father grew up in because that's how it was, right?
He bought it off of his mother and then she moved down the street, but she was there.
You knew everyone in the neighborhood.
The kids I played with were the sons and daughters of the kids my father played with growing up.
That's just how it was.
And what's amazing about your book is what you've done here, and that's why it's so tremendous and everyone needs to go and read a copy of this, is because the people who were victimized by these government programs, by the massive government federally backed changes in these cities, the killing of our cities and these communities, are now
Blamed by the woke anti-racist lecturers as being, so the people who are the victims of it are now blamed as being the perpetrators of it.
It's amazing.
They say, oh, it was white flight, and that's what caused the decline of the communities.
Walk us through how you break that down in the book.
Yeah, just as a quick reflection on what you said, Jack, there was a hospital within a block of my house also.
I was born there.
Whitney Houston was born there also.
And I read Whitney Houston's mother's bio just to get a sense of what it was like to grow up black in Newark.
She's, you know, about a generation older than I am.
And she's, you know, part of the Great Migration.
She grew up in a God-fearing, hard-working family, one of eight children, you know, and no welfare, no nothing, put food on the table.
And then she began to experience what we began to experience.
And she said, you know, she had this, she called it her cozy little village within the city of Newark.
And then all of a sudden there was crime, there was drugs, and then she turns to her husband, John, who grew up in my neighborhood, in fact, and she says, we're gonna have to leave, this is getting too bad.
Then the riots hit, and then they leave for the suburbs, right?
Same experience, there's one big difference.
We were blamed and shamed.
She wasn't, it wasn't.
She was doing the good, responsible thing any parent would do.
So went to Houston, grew up in the suburbs.
You know, and my people grew up in the cities.
And when we left for the suburbs, we had to go, you know, 50, 60 miles away to these makeshift suburbs, you know, carved out of the Pine Barrens in New Jersey.
And it wasn't an upgrade.
It was a downgrade.
We all knew it.
Well, and I think about it even today where, you know, we live outside of D.C.
now with my kids, but it's it's it's a nice neighborhood.
It's a nice suburb.
But at the same time, it's not the same thing as an organic grown up town where you have those mixed use neighborhoods where you've got the storefronts and then, you know, you've got I remember Fardman's Pharmacy, Jackson's Corner Store, Lacan's down the street.
I can name every single store off the top of my head.
That we used to go to because that's where you hung out with my kids.
You go to the playground or you sign up for activities.
And I understand that even though in many ways the quality of my children's lives will be better, I've got two little boys now, will be better than mine.
In other ways, in those communal ways, it's actually a downgrade.
It is.
And you know, I went back and looked at my block in 1950.
That was before we moved there.
But it's the last year for which censuses are available.
And just to give you a snapshot of that block, 363 people, this is just one street, one-way street, one block long, 363 people live there.
There are immigrants from 14 different countries.
There were 85 households And of those 85 households, 83 had a married male head of household living in that house.
And so people sat on their stoops all day and night.
There's always, there's a communal sense of comfort and responsibility.
You know, just walk down the street, there's a main commercial drag diner, two movie theaters, you know, florist, jewelers, bars, restaurants, Chinese restaurant, Chinese laundry.
I love the Chinese girl who worked there, which is my mother could never understand why I went to Chinese laundry.
Your clothes are always spotless.
Right, exactly.
The beauty is that there was a family who lived in my neighborhood, the Berg family.
There weren't many Jewish families.
It was mostly Irish and Italian.
But their one son became a doctor, and he was an amateur photographer.
He took 2,700 pictures of our neighborhood, and they're collected.
And so I have total access to what my neighborhood looked like in 1960.
His other brother became famous.
Moberg, the catcher spy who went on to join the OSS in World War II, ends his days in my neighborhood, Roseville, wandering the streets, you know, really a PTSD or whatever, getting mugged and just like everyone else.
So there's a lot of compelling stories that come out of a total working-class neighborhood.
I don't think there was a family on my block in which there was someone with a college degree looking at the occupations.
Every blue collar occupation under the sun, this side of lumberjack, you know, casket maker, rubber molder, huckster.
And my favorite of all the occupations, Jack, was because of the 83 families, 79 of them had an employed male head of household, two were retired, two were unemployed.
30 of them had wives who were working outside the home.
And the one woman lists her occupation as janitress, right?
She embraces both her job and her sex.
Love them. - Yeah, because you have pride of ownership, pride of work, and all of it centers around the family.
We're coming up on a break, but in the next segment, I want to get into this idea of, you know, we had these idyllic neighborhoods.
These were all over the Northeast.
Your story, my story.
There's a million stories like this.
The question is, what happened?
Why did this change?
And what was the reasoning behind it?
Stay tuned.
We'll be back.
Fascinating interview with Jack Cashel.
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We're discussing the new book, Untenable, the story of white ethnic flight with its author, Jack Cashel.
The book itself is focused on the city of Newark, but it applies to so many other cities around the country.
Where I'm from, Narstown in the Philadelphia area, producer Faz, he's from the New York area, his father grew up in the Bronx.
This is an example of a story where it affected millions of people, the largest country or one of the largest countries in the world, one of the most advanced countries in the world, and a story that we don't talk about.
Or when we do, it's you get these anti-racist New York Times columnists talking about it.
So Jack, there's a section in the book where you're actually, you're going, you're very critical of this New York Times author because they're writing this op-ed out about white flight, then they never once use the word crime.
They never even include the word crime in this entire essay about it.
And I love what you did, is that you didn't even necessarily directly respond to it, You just copied and pasted the comments from the actual New York Times readers going at the article.
Walk us through that.
Right.
It was an op-ed by a professor named Leah Bustan at Princeton, a university I wanted to attend but couldn't afford, but that's neither here nor there.
And she had written a book on white flight for which she won a major award.
And after reading her op-ed, I began to wonder, who came in second that year?
But she starts off by saying, imagining the mindset of Democratic strategists in 2017, right after the election of Donald Trump, and they're attributing it to they wonder, is it just racism?
Or is it racism and economics?
And so she tries to deduce what caused the white flight, racism or racism economics.
And at the end, she concludes, she goes, you know, what makes this project particularly difficult is a few of the people who left recorded why they left.
And then she says, in a moment of just wonderful condescension, I don't think they even knew why they left.
And I laughed out loud when I heard that because I had already spoken to 50 people and they knew exactly what they left.
Sometimes to the moment they could tell you when they left and why they left.
And then there were 800 comments and I was reluctant to look at the comments, Jack, because you never know what they're going to say.
I thought they would just say, you weren't hard enough on those people, blah, blah, blah.
But instead, they lead off with, Professor Bustan, how can you possibly write an op-ed about white flight and not mention the word schools or crime?
And then I just excerpted one comment after another.
And these were a lot of stories from places, from Philadelphia, from Chicago, from Detroit, from San Francisco, from Boston, from Compton.
Trenton, New Haven, people saying, explaining how their communities became untenable.
And each one had a story more horrific than another.
Neighbors shot, daughter's hair set on fire, bussing 45 minutes across town to bad schools, kids robbed for their lunch money.
One story after another, after another, after another.
And then I can't imagine You know, we used to have a, you know, a library that was a couple of blocks down from us.
And as they said to her, more than a few people said, OK, you've been at UCLA, you've been at Harvard and you've been at Princeton.
Have you ever experienced what you're writing about?
Because if you had, you wouldn't be writing what you're writing.
You know, we used to have a, you know, a library that was a couple of blocks down from us.
And I, people could believe the story if they want to, but I'm telling you, it's the story that I, you know, my, you know, childhood.
But I used to go down, I used to walk down there by myself.
I would take a wagon sometimes, load it up with books, bring it back.
And then it got to the point where the homeless started coming into the library because it was a free place to use computers, free place to get books, free place to just hang out, especially in the winter.
And the homeless started getting into fights, there was a stabbing, and then suddenly my mom didn't want me to go into the library by myself anymore, but that was the place where I first started discovering how much I loved reading and knowledge, and if it wasn't for the Norristown Public Library, I don't know that I would have been Able to read as much as I had.
So when we talk about white flight and we talk about how these areas have declined economically because of this, people always say, oh well, you know, the decline in the economy led to poverty and poverty led to crime.
I think that's backwards.
I think that's actually completely backwards and that's something that you bring out in the book as well.
Yeah, it is.
You know, I talked to Jesse Lee Peterson, a black conservative activist whom I know, and he tells it brilliantly in the book Antidote.
And, you know, he moves to Gary.
His family is broken up.
He's from Alabama, where, you know, he lived in a black world.
People respected their elders, and they didn't commit crime, and they were God-fearing.
He moves to Gary, and Gary was in full collapse before industry had collapsed.
So he's 18 years old.
He could get a job at Inland Steel without hardly anyone asking questions.
Because by that time, so many people his age had dropped out of the labor force because they were either unable or unwilling to work.
Or what happened in Newark in the late 20th century, the Portuguese immigration came.
And they were not tied in with the tentacles of the state.
They were not bound by government subsidies.
They had to make do for their own.
And they created a beautiful little community in the crappiest part of town.
called Ironbound, you know, which it looks like it sounds.
So it was possible to do it, even possible to do it today, as long as you're not strangled by the subsidies that force fathers out of the home. - And this has been something that a few people, a lot of people put together like Jesse Lee Peterson, who by the way, I shouldn't say that Jesse Lee Peterson is great.
Jesse Lee Peterson is amazing, as Jesse likes to say.
But you really do drive this home, this idea of fatherlessness, and the fact that these great society welfare programs Actually disincentivize fathers in the household.
You bring in Section 8 families, you bring in these types of families, and it actually creates a downward spiral because if there's a disincentive to have a father, but also an incentive to have more children, then it's government money that's coming in with housing and food stamps and everything else that's actually perpetuating a lifestyle.
That's exactly right, Jack.
And it really started in the 50s, really, but it really took hold in the 60s when it was institutionalized under Lyndon Johnson's Great Society program.
And you're right, and the trick was you could get food stamps, you could get welfare, you could get reduced rents on your housing, you could get Medicaid.
The only trick was you had to get the old man out of the house.
So in 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan writes this incredibly prophetic report on the Negro family, and he says, you know, we're at 25% fatherlessness, and my neighborhood was zero to 1% fatherlessness.
And I'm living, you know, a mile away from these neighborhoods.
And he says the black expectations now will be high because of the passage of civil rights bills.
But the reality on the ground is not never going to match expectations because people from fatherless homes simply cannot compete writ large.
I mean, there's exceptions.
You know, you read about Ben Carson or other people, but there are In general, as Barack Obama himself even admitted while he was running for office in 2008, the absence of fathers in the home was the greatest problem in the black community.
And then he cited the statistics, you know, 10 times more likely to drop out of school, 20 times more likely to end up in prison, etc., if you're from a fatherless home.
And you knew what happened a few weeks after that, of course, is that Jesse Jackson gets picked up on a hot mic in a Fox News studio.
He knew he was being overheard and he knew at Fox it would be released.
And he says, you know, Barack Obama talking down to black people.
And then he does this with his hand.
He goes, I want to cut his nuts out.
Right.
And Barack Obama got the message.
He never talked about fatherlessness again in any meaningful way.
And it's a shame, Jack, because he's a good father.
You know, he's setting a national example.
He was the one guy who had a chance to reverse this trend.
And instead, he did just the opposite.
Barack Obama could have actually come forward.
He did give the speech.
He could have come forward and said this.
He comes out every once in a while, and I've noticed we'll say something about, oh, we got to get the community together.
We need communities, reintroduce standards.
And then he always kind of runs away from it.
He just completely runs away from it.
And then during his entire eight years, while he had the bully pulpit in the White House, He didn't do anything to address this, he didn't do anything to talk about this, and instead spends the last few years doing everything he possibly can to unleash the energies to reignite the racial tensions within the United States that led to Black Lives Matter, that led to the George Floyd riots, that led to all sorts of burning down our cities in 2020.
A lot of those energies were released through Black Lives Matter, through particularly the second half When I grew up in the hood, I rolled with Bloods.
in office so his second term after 2012 after ferguson after the george floyd riots or excuse me the um the baltimore riots freddie gray riots which i actually were one of the first things that i covered live on uh on twitter stay tuned folks we've got one segment left jack cashel you need to get his book this is fantastic stay tuned when i grew up in the hood i rolled with bloods and them boys had a saying you can't be listening to all that slappy whack
trim out his outlets a bam ship nippy bam bam like human events with jack posobik All right, Jack Posobiec here, live Washington, D.C., Human Events.
The book we're discussing right now, Untenable, The True Story of White Ethnic Flight, by Jack Cashel.
Jack Cashel has been with us, the author of the book.
You know, there's actually kind of a meme that somebody, one of the listeners just sent in the comments here, saying that when When white ethnic families moved out of cities, it was called white flight, but then when they returned, it was called gentrification, and it's being called gentrification more and more.
It's actually kind of funny because it doesn't matter because the victims are always the same.
The victims are always the same, and I'll point out this as well, that this is An actual feature of so many lives in this country, an actual feature of so many families.
Like, I mean, I just got to say it's like my own family.
You know, I was talking to my brother about this and you guys know Kevin before the show about what we lived through and my brother.
Let's just say that Kevin had a little different attack than the rest of us.
Well, You know, we got out of Norristown in 1996.
Kevin, so we still ended up going to high school in Norristown, so we're still kind of in the area, got to see the city or in the town more and more as it fell apart.
And we were talking about the cracked up back alleys.
The sirens every single night.
Pitbull fights.
Playing wall ball.
Basketball hoops with milk crates.
The corner boys.
But then Kevin, of course, after he gets out of school, he decides not to, you know, go and live in a sleepy suburb.
Kevin decides to go and live down in Kensington.
You guys remember Kensington from Philadelphia.
He was working a job up there for an industry that totally got blown out.
Due to COVID but yes my brother was in Kensington during the 2020 riots and this is something else that I think that Jason Aldean touched on and one of the reasons that Jason Aldean's video got so much outrage that it enacted so much outrage and people are going to say well hold on hold on Jason Aldean was talking about violence he wasn't talking about inter-ethnic violence or race you know race on race violence
But that is what the media portrayed it as and that is what the footage showed.
And in the United States, we for so long have decided for whatever reason that we're just not going to talk about this and it's been a cardinal rule of the United States.
It's been a cardinal rule of the mainstream media.
That if you are a celebrity, so if you're a black celebrity, you're a rapper, you can write about as much violence as you want.
You can talk about the most violent things in the world.
Go look at Ice Cube.
Go look at any of his early work.
In fact, the N.W.A., if I even said what N.W.A.
stands for right now on this program, I'd be even more canceled than I am right now, okay?
But he's totally fine to say that.
But if a white celebrity like Jason Aldean talks about crime, talks about crime that's coming from with any racial element whatsoever, so the Antifa BLM riots, you are not allowed to talk about that.
Because people like Jason Aldean must be the victim.
People in those small towns are the victims because they're hateful.
They're so hateful.
And as Jack Cashel just said on here, that there were other families, there were There were black families that were affected by this.
There were black families that moved out.
There were also, and in many of these cases, there have been violence that was perpetuated and the victims were themselves black.
I think we have Jack back.
Jack, I apologize for the, we had a little Zoom hiccup there, but we've got him back on.
A couple minutes left.
What are your main takeaways from this story that what people need to understand and how we could possibly move to at least start discussing What happened to America's cities?
Well, you know, my real message was captured perfectly, but just by some random reader who said, you know, he liked the book because it told the people who have a home to go home to the history of those who don't have a home, right?
So by the time I was 21, there was no place I could go.
You know, our home was ruined.
It was gone.
I mean, it was just ridiculous.
And so it's a great bond between generations in that regard.
In terms of what can be done, you know, the most superficial fix, but a useful one, we saw happened in New York City in 1993 when New York City, the liberals of New York City got tired of Having a dirty sandbox and elected a Republican mayor, Rudy Giuliani, between him and Michael Bloomberg for 20 years, they reduced New York City's homicide rate from an average of 2,500 a year to an average about 400.
They were saving 2,000 lives a year, most of them people of color.
That's a superficial thing.
The other thing we have to do, and this is gonna take a long, boy, it's a daunting task.
Obama had the opportunity, I don't know who else will, is to use the presidential bully pulpit to start preaching family solidarity.
Anyone, a couple that gets married and stays married and has a high school degree will not be poor.
I mean, the poverty rate for people in that description is like less than 3%.
That's going to be a long, long rehabilitation, Jack.
You know that as well as I do.
But we've got to start on that way back.
Otherwise, we'll never get there.
We got to start.
Jack Cashel, thank you so much for your book.
I mean, you're you're kind of inspiring me to work, maybe work with my dad and write something about something about Norristown, because, you know, the stories you have are the stories that we have are the stories that he had, the stories that an entire generation, millions of people have.
Thank you so much for joining us.
And folks, please go and buy this book, Untenable, by Jack Cashel.
You know, folks, I talk about my hometown a lot, but reading this book, it brought up a lot of those memories, a lot of those emotions.
My two little boys that I talk about so much, it occurred to me that I've never even once taken them.
to the street where I grew up.
I've never shown them the home I grew up in.
I never felt like there was a need to.
I never felt like there was a need to show them that.
Maybe when they're a little older and we're in town, you know, my parents still live just a couple of miles from there, but Never taking the time even to drive past it.
That's how bad it is.
And so what Jack Cashel says is right.
You need to tell the story of the Americans who don't have a home to go back to.
And when he talks about being dispossessed, when he talks about an entire generation, dare I say, an entire class of people that were affected by this, and the fact that there were government programs put in place to force this soft ethnic cleansing.
that we aren't even allowed to talk about in this country.
